The Mud Problem Precludes Young Earth Creationism

What a sticky situation!
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[@peregrinef3203]

She looked at the evidence, changed her mind, AND corrected what she had put out so others would not be harmed by the misinformation? It's like she's an actual scientist or something.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

And an intellectual honest individual, 😊, damn

[@FinnA07]

Wow, crazy, no way???!!!

[@neclark08]

...like an honest, Honorable person in ANY Ptofession...

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Ironically this is the critique that YEC have about science. As if it’s not a feature

[@patelk464]

@@yoeyyoey8937 YEC can never admit that they are making up sh*t. Apparently their science is based on mythology and will remain there.

[@SirSpenace]

Literally rewatching this because Erika doesn't deserve a viewer slap for having the best integrity on YT.

[@SirSpenace]

6:19 I think it's more accurate to say "Young Earth Creationists are stuck between a rock and a wet place" 🤣 (updated for accuracy - Erika already told us to be mindful of the difference 🤦‍♂ that was my bad)

[@y5mgisi]

Same.

[@charlessarver1637]

Agree

[@frankhuggins9733]

What integrity?

[@y5mgisi]

@@frankhuggins9733 the fact that she made a mistake and is owning and correcting the information she put out pertaining to it.

[@minuterice19540]

Erika owning up to and correcting her mistakes is part of what makes this channel so good. Come on, my fellow gentle and very modern apes, let's reward the good behavior with views and likes.

[@AlyraMoondancer]

Agreed! Much love to Erika!

[@mindcraftyD13]

yep, something YEC won't do

[@llehsaderob]

it's called intellectual honesty, if she didn't it's fuel for someone wanting to discredit her. This shouldn't be commendable behavior it should be EXPECTED, that we live in an era like this is more telling of ourselves than anything. Being right for the sake of being right (while wrong), I have a "christian" friend that loves to bring up how stupid evolution is, her proof "it's stoopid" lol.

[@ialrakis5173]

Totally agree. We all make mistakes, nothing wrong with that. Admitting a mistake is always the best thing to do and will get you more respect.

[@2l84me8]

As a proper scientist should.

[@lyudmilapavlichenko7551]

Caught between mud and a hot place...

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Completely different physics that converge on an old earth.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

Love playing with words 💕

[@justice8718]

No. Mud is a substance that is formed rather quickly. Without it occurring naturally from grass development, I wouldn’t need to edge my yard or use the grass I edge out to have enough dirt to fill up the sinkhole.

[@shassett79]

Commitment to honesty and accountability!? Concise offerings of factual information? The low-key sass of a person with the brains to back it up!? I'm here for it.

[@neil2796]

I would not call her concise. Comprehensive is more correct, in my opinion.

[@shassett79]

@@neil2796 I'll allow it!

[@TlalocTemporal]

​@@neil2796-- Seconded. Erika is an ape of many talents, but concision is not one of them!

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

Erika admitting mistake and immediately fixing 👏👏👏

[@timothymulholland7905]

But we were made of clay!

[@thebookofclyde1822]

@@timothymulholland7905 That's why human beings are 70% silicon. It's hard to get this word out with evolutionists constantly claiming we're a carbon-based form of life.

[@ianchenofficial]

@@thebookofclyde1822maybe you mistook your comment to mean water? As the average human only has 1-2g of SI (silicon) in the body

[@Sableagle]

@@thebookofclyde1822 ... and 5.7% alumium, the metal isolated from alum, which is 5.7% alumium.

[@Sableagle]

@@ianchenofficial It was a joke about clay. Bibbling nonsense says humans were made from clay, which is Earth crust, which is 27.7% silicon.

[@PtylerBeats]

It’s honestly a bummer that he’s NOT a creationist because I remember thinking, “Huh, a creationist that is willing to acknowledge problems and admit that they don’t have the answer.” I was genuinely impressed, and it made me question my bias against creationists. But of course, he’s not even a creationist, so I still have yet to find a competent and reasonable YEC.

[@LordWaterBottle]

Yeah, it was oddly almost a point in the guy's favor.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

You can find honest creationists, but honest YEC? I'm not optimistic.

[@murilo7794]

It's because every creationist who is concerned with the truth will eventually come to the conclusion that creationism is wrong.

[@Maryum.Batool]

I try to still be positive in acknowledging that at least a yec journal allowed a non yec to publish!

[@PtylerBeats]

@@Maryum.Batool 100% good point

[@CrabCrow]

It's such an uphill battle when the core of creationist logic is "God did it with magic."

[@liv151]

at least regular creationists say it with their whole chest - YEC pretending to do science about it is what really gets me

[@Hailfire08]

The problem is that is their core but then they lie and say it's scientific, and lie about the evidence to pretend it all works together.

[@somethinginthepines]

Once it goes into non-science its not really worth arguing. God is inherently a metaphysical concept, science isnt MEANT to prove or disprove that kind of thing.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

​@@somethinginthepinesYes, science is about the natural world, and the deity of the xtians is a supernatural claim. I've heard many of them say this, but then say we still have to believe in their claim. I'm not sure how much logic they accept in their world view. 😊

[@musicilike69]

Not really. Laughter is the response and a demand for proofs that are acceptable to all, not just people with faulty wiring in their heads.

[@AaronParker1977]

I was a young earth creationist until my late 20s. Homeschooled and lied to all my life, but luckily my desire for my "beliefs" to be true outweighed my fear of some deity torturing me. Now in my 40s I'm convinced there are only two types of young earth creationists; the liars, or the gullible. There is no way anybody can be a young earth creationist and spend any time at all testing their beliefs.

[@Petticca]

@AaronParker1977 It is awesome that you have worked to educate yourself out of your indoctrination. I have an immense sympathy for anyone indoctrinated into religion as a child. Period. I consider it abuse - On the part of the institutions who continue to push out propaganda, using blatantly manipulative theological rhetoric, and misrepresentations of reality, wrapped in toxic messages encouraging 'othering' of anyone not affirming the 'truth' of their specific cult's interpretation of scripture. I also have an immense amount of respect for anyone who, having doubts of some kind, sets out on n an intellectually honest mission to find out what is true, in spite of their genuine fears, or terror, even, if Hell was invoked to reprimand, and prevent them questioning what they were taught to believe. I can't pretend to know what it's like to go through, but I imagine that it has to be very difficult to say the least, and emotionally overwhelming at times. (I know a lot of factors go into that, but still) And I agree wholeheartedly, with your closing statement, particularly as it pertains to the institutes/ organizations that spew this toxic sludge onto the masses. The fact that it is literally refuted by _all_ of examinable reality, means that they are being _very intentional_ in so consistently misrepresenting it.

[@rocketspushoffair]

Polonium halos in granite absolutely proves fiat creation. The half life of polonium is fleeting, and thus "4.5 billion years of slow cooling" precludes polonium halos in granite. By a PhD physicist kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYTOcoujZ8mqrNE Summarized by an 11 year old boy kzbin.info/www/bejne/pICrqX5jgbGZf6s You're too funny!

[@Sarcasticron]

It's a big ask to get someone to test their beliefs, when the evidence might turn their whole world upside down. But the Bible itself says that righteous people test the scriptures, priests, and scribes, because sometimes they lie. I'm an atheist, just mentioning what the Bible says, because it's such a good point.

[@rocketspushoffair]

@@Sarcasticron i yhink iy says test the spirits, because satan can appear as an angel of light, it says

[@kylezo]

im sorry your youth was stolen from you. there is so much practical good that the world needs that is denied and resisted by magical thinking and creationism in particular. just look at gaza for the ultimate conclusion of beliefs rooted in mysticism & zealously followed. that's how we get things like zionism and manifest destiny.

[@joshuahadams]

On the focus on Labrador, there’s a burial site - L’Anse Amour - in the Straits of Labrador dated to 7,500 years before present. A small cairn for a child containing their remains, a walrus tusk, a harpoon head, paint stones, and a bone whistle. It overlooks the Straits, the sea where this child’s family hunted and fished and lived and loved. And lost their little one.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

As someone who has had the misfortune to bury my child, I can understand the feeling of those who put their energy into that grave. Damn, sometimes life sucks. 😢

[@joshuahadams]

🫂

[@wrekced]

​@@DaveB-hg7el As another who has had to bury my child, I agree! Burying your child rips holes in your heart that never heal! After almost 30 years, it still brings tears... Thanks for sharing.

[@YourCapyBra_3Dpipesa90sspecial]

​@@wrekced that's a tragedy I can't begin to imagine. I know this is a science channel but I believe you will see him again one day. I lost a brother before I was born and somehow I've always missed him. I hope I'll see him again one day too.

[@sourisvoleur4854]

That's a beautiful thing. Thank you for sharing.

[@adrianpintea9675]

I like how they use evolution to explain the variety of life after the flood, while contradicting everything we know about it.

[@Petticca]

@adrianpintea9675 The kicker is how much ground they've ceded over the years, as it has become more and more difficult to find ignorance holes to claim victory from. The rapidity with which the prototype "kinds" would have to evolve, to produce the diversity we currently see, in uh 4000ish years, is comically absurd. It's as gloriously stupid as the idea that the entirety of the planet's tectonic activity over billions of years, that results in the current lay of continents and mountain ranges, we have today, happened within a single year.

[@makeshift_quill]

I've still never gotten an answer as to how the "kinds" held all their genetic variation in until after the Flood, so Noah could take those basic kinds on board. Except the dinosaur kinds, apparently, who diversified tremendously to have so many species in ~1000 years since creation.

[@LoganStargazer]

@@makeshift_quill I know! I know! There were many types of animals back then, just like there are now, and Noah just took a wolf-looking "dog-kind", a medium-sized "cat-kind", and so on with him. That makes the animal population on the ark about 50 animals at most. Then they all diversified again after they landed because Gawd did it.. See? I can be a koo-koo too. lol

[@patelk464]

​@@makeshift_quillApparently Adam managed to name all the animals kinds. But that would mean that could not have been any new kinds. It is also interesting that when describing the behemoth and the dragon to Jobs, they use description of the animals and not the name assigned by Adam. It is almost like they are describing a mythical creature!

[@justice8718]

@@patelk464 Mankind and angels are based on one kind of being.

[@lainymag6450]

For the algorithm: my favourite preclusionary YEC argument is the existence of the oil & gas industry

[@glenecollins]

Nah god made the universe last Thursday with all the oil, coal, fossils, civilisation, light from distant stars, your memories etc etc all in place. I think some YECs used to go with the Russians oil from non-biological materials

[@kylezo]

@@glenecollins ultimately no argument rooted in logic can be applied because the system of thought is based on magical exceptionalism and arbitrary rule making. these ideas aren't grounded in rationality & therefore cannot meaningfully be addressed in rational terms. that's where every conversation has to start. we agree that creationism is totally made up & there's no defending or explaining it.

[@glenecollins]

@@kylezo it is miraculous exceptionalism you will turn off the brain of any creationist (and apparently hurt God’s feels) calling it magic. There are people including Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind who try to show that god managed to make a

[@IainG10]

Upvoted for scientific rigor (as well as just enjoying the video)!

[@kersebleptes1317]

"...unstable parent to stable daughter..." There's my sister-in-law's early life story, written in physics.

[@Vandalia1998]

It’s nice to see people can admit when they are wrong. It’s too bad the real YeC can’t

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

That's because god would have to be wrong, And god needs a lot of defending from fallible humans Against the realities of the natural world he supposedly created.😊

[@dogcarman]

@@uncleanunicorn4571Strange, innit? Almost like he was… i don’t know… made up…?

[@EiferBrennan]

@@uncleanunicorn4571 that's because God doesn't exist. You have no evidence of a god existing or even potentially existing.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

​@@dogcarmanYes, lol 😊

[@Sarcasticron]

@@uncleanunicorn4571 God never said the earth was 6,000 years old. I'm an atheist, but I wasn't always, and I've read the Bible a bunch of times. I didn't find anything about that in the whole book, and I was searching very carefully.

[@nicholaslogan6840]

"Mud" is such a great word. Someone really got that one right. "Sky" is another good one. Don't know about "vanilla" or "mule". I think these could be better. But "mud" is spot on.

[@feltfrog]

I like this comment 🙏

[@kylezo]

litterbin. tinny. CARIBOU.

[@timbertome2443]

Crisp

[@colinmcglothlin5286]

@@kylezo Caribou GONE

[@EiferBrennan]

We have the exact same problem. I get an unimaginable amount of dopamine from correcting misinformation.

[@matthewteague623]

_"You are technically correct.... the best kind of correct..."_ 😀

[@dogamongstmen]

i get an unimaginable amount of dopamine from drinking a tablespoon of gasoline every tuesday

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

I have the negative version of that: I have severe allergic reactions to false statements.

[@borttorbbq2556]

Yaaaa

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

So funny seeing the outro on double speed and a whimsical walk becomes a relaxed faced power walk lol

[@angusyang5917]

This is one of the big differences between science and dogma, when science gets something wrong, it is not dismissed or justified, it is acknowledged and corrected.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

No matter how long it takes! 😊

[@wjvdh]

You're even fighting your own misinformation, well done 😉

[@CLipka2373]

Word!

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

Best place to start when correcting misinformation is one's self.

[@Devilot109]

Y'know, when Scott Dunn was honest and seemingly willing to consider the need for a different model and further research, we should have guessed he wasn't a YEC.

[@EricLS]

I mean, I was going......this is a YEC? Really? How? He's tearing it asunder!

[@justice8718]

@@EricLS Then he meets God on Judgement Day.

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

@@justice8718 How do you know? And how do you know the God won't compliment him, for thinking for himself instead of blindly accepting what priests etc. claim?

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Watching it again so you still get the view (plus tbh I can benefit from watching it again and understanding it better as I was distracted the first time)

[@idio-syncrasy]

It's because you have morals

[@catkittycatcatkittycatcatcat]

why yes, i will happily let erika fill my ear holes again :3 honestly, i think my favorite argument against young earth creationism is actually an anthropological one. we several completely disconnected myths about seven sisters, referencing a group of seven stars; except if you look for them today there only appear to be six. that’s because two of them got so close together from our perspective, they appear to just be one star, and likewise, the ancient myths all have one of the sisters disappearing for some reason. therefore, it makes sense to conclude that the stories were around for so long that they originated when you could see all seven, which is much longer than 6,000 years ago

[@maemorri]

I guess you could say the Young-Earth Creationist explanation is... Clear as mud... I'll show myself out.

[@Sarcasticron]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🏆🏆🏆

[@nadirku]

"I really should have known, because the paper that he posted in the Creationist Journal was extremely well written, and very candid"... I am remembering a "center aligned" paper by a certain "Raw Matt" that was discussed in a recent livestream... as a point of comparison between more typical creationists, and non-creationist Scott Dunn...

[@jaspershepherdsmith9047]

I never knew about the mud problem, but it's delightful to me that there's something in science called 'the mud problem'

[@kylezo]

it's not in science, it's in creationist discourse which is unscientific by definition.

[@mtaylor7171]

I always get a mud problem when the dogs come in from the garden

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@kylezo your comment is religious by definition

[@kscg2993]

Comment for your algorithm. Rewatch because I watch most of your videos several times. I quilt, and your stuff is wonderful for engaging my mind while my hands are busy.

[@DaveB-hg7el]

As someone who worked nights for decades, it's also a soporific for me to sleep. Lol 😂

[@Taylor-vh3zh]

waiting for YEC to say that the mud problem is solved by the heat problem

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Taylor-vh3zh there's no mud problem tho. This is old information and dunn doesn't deal with YEC research that addresses his position

[@bagodrago]

Rewatching and interacting to boost the reupload :)

[@mathdesm9306]

Would you fancy an argument to boost engagement?

[@amadeus_k2466]

@@mathdesm9306 Would you like a five minute argument or the full half hour?

[@danielhamid5569]

Erika is the epitome of scientific integrity. Unlike the people she is talking about, if they make a mistake, they double down chanting, nuh-uh!

[@VividSmash40]

Putting up a comment for the Algorithm gods! Good on you for having integrity, being understanding, and being quite considerate no matter the situation! Here's to many more videos!

[@boyinblue.]

Thank you for doing this for him, it's definitely nice when someone actually cares about others.

[@KreeTerry]

I saw the old video but I’m here to learn what I missed the first time. Thanks for your work Erika!

[@lanaeglover818]

Thanks for the correction and re-upload 😊

[@v_wegs]

Listened to this while driving, and happened upon a limestone quarry *insert Palpatine “how ironic” meme*

[@tdhoward]

I don't believe I've commented on one of your videos yet, but this demonstration of humility, integrity, and commitment to truth is just so incredibly refreshing. You have set a gold standard here for science and personal character. 👏

[@brenta2634]

I appreciate the correction and the retraction.

[@CharlesPayet]

I will absolutely rewatch any Gutsick Gibbon video for pure enjoyment, and definitely to reward integrity & honestly!

[@liv151]

i appreciate sci communicators like you - I don't have the time or attention span to be reading scientific papers and I enjoy keeping up to date. you reuploading to correct yourself re: the author here is just another sign that you're a good source for me to funnel into my earholes while I do spreadsheets, I can think of several other yt science communicators who have been the cause of spreading misunderstanding so I appreciate it and I hope losing the views doesn't hurt the channel too much

[@squorsh]

See, by watching this again and commenting again on it, it's like I'm helping her channel twice as much

[@umbreonic136]

Favorite preclusionary argument: light from stars are redshifted by the maximum speed of light (which is found by testing laws of electromagnetism) and the distance for light to travel takes millions upon millions of years for the stars to even get to use, not just form. It relies upon the speed of light being constant and that hydrogen gives out a specific frequency (which is easily able to be measured in science labs today!)

[@architectureoverwater]

This one is also my favorite!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@umbreonic136 you literally did not argue that your observation precludes YEC. 💁‍♂️

[@umbreonic136]

@@cosmictreason2242 Exercise left to reader, find the time it takes for light to get to the Cetus constellation. Hint: use redshift of hydrogen :)

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@umbreonic136 you: my favorite argument is this observation Me: that's just an observation You: repeats observation Me: ...

[@thirstfast1025]

Ooo! Ooo! Gutsick Gibbon! I have a favourite preclusion from the geology community! Pegmatite! Bodies of rock that cooled exceptionally slowly resulting in very large grain size considering they formed from a cooling magma. This _cannot happen quickly!_

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@thirstfast1025 and diamonds can't form quickly because they need to travel from the mantle to the surface in 8 hours, not substantially faster or slower or you get microscopic diamond dust rather than whole rocks, or graphite, respectively.

[@thirstfast1025]

@@cosmictreason2242 Impact diamonds form in split-seconds... _BUT_ Terrestrial diamond formation/transportation is a fantastic rabbit hole to chase flat-earthers down! LOL! Cheers!

[@rc31802]

So happy to see corrections being made! And happy to re-watch

[@MogamiKyoko13]

I appreciate how willing you are to own up to and correct your mistakes. Not enough people can put aside their pride to do so. Definitely one of the best science communication channels on KZbin.

[@TheMouthofBill]

I am very happy to see a creator I follow hold themselves accountable and apologize. It isn’t very common to see someone apologize for saying something that could have effects on someone’s reputation. Thank you for helping to set example for other creators.

[@iLLeag7e]

I've always felt like she carries herself with more than enough professional grace to remain dignified no matter which goofball is giving her a hard time. Round of applause from me every time she uploads.

[@diamondflaw]

Continuing to be awesome through integrity while also recreating the information in an accurate way so the message isn’t lost. Mad respect.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Hydrogen bombs is a unit of measurement. Anything but the metric system.

[@lyudmilapavlichenko7551]

Freedom. **eagle scream**

[@dongiovanni4331]

​@lyudmilapavlichenko7551 I'll have you know it's a hawk scream. Usually it's a red shouldered hawk.

[@angrydoggy9170]

I measure stuff in trouser snakes. Way easier than the imperial system.

[@ianchenofficial]

@@angrydoggy9170how does your brain handle such massive numbers daily? 😆😉

[@Hailfire08]

As a physics person, nobody knows intuitively how big a joule is. (It's roughly the amount of energy required to raise an apple from the ground up to a table. Or to heat up a milliliter of water by a quarter of a degree. Neither of those is very useful for judging the heat problem.)

[@lebean8001]

engaging for the algorithm! will catch up after my nap.

[@CLipka2373]

Randomly engaging people engaging for the algorithm. Thumbs up for Erika!

[@AlexRedacted]

@@CLipka2373 go go Erika go

[@zecuse]

Dug my comment up from the old video. Proboscideans are my favorite YEC preclusion. Due to their gestational periods, the fact that twins are EXTREMELY rare, and food requirements, you'd need a hyper-mega caffeinated form of evolution that would result in one of the parents birthing at least TWO NEW SPECIES over their lifetime! And that says nothing about getting them to the population levels we know they've had.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Well done for correcting that as I imagine it must suck having to pull a video but important to be accurate

[@pencilpauli9442]

The paper should be known as the Dunn-Roasting Thesis.

[@hologram_sam9487]

Something so critical to the hearts and minds aspect of this crusade: The scientists and scholars delving into the natural history of our planet are not doing it to disprove the existence of God.

[@justice8718]

Yes they are. This is basically trying to claim the earth created itself. Which is really stupid.

[@mp5856a]

The Heat Problem: trapping creationists between a rock and a hot place

[@jc8847kvkc]

Dutifully rewatching because you're both entertaining and for the algorithm. So cool you're doing the right thing.

[@LordSoviet]

I've already seen this but hopefully this still gets out there. Good work

[@UplandJones1]

Here for the replay

[@violetfactorial6806]

Please keep making this sort of thing. I know sometimes it must seem difficult or unrewarding. But you're doing a good job and it's worthwhile and helpful. The world needs people like you, it really does. I know you know. Keep it up :3 Also, bravo for making a correction when you made a mistake. Correcting your mistakes is the whole point of gaining knowledge. It's evidence that you're sincere.

[@Matt_Hafer89]

I really appreciate your integrity to update content that had errors. Thank you!

[@jrdarby]

Was listening to you talk about this on the stream yesterday and am excited to watch this.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

The one thing about creationists that is consistent is their wrongness.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@blaster-zy7xx it's the other way around and the proof is you won't have any interest in exposing yourself to new ideas

[@blaster-zy7xx]

@@cosmictreason2242 Creationism isn't a "new idea" at all. Creationism is religious superstition left over from thousands of years ago. In fact, creationism has been scientifically debunked and disguarded into the trash heap of bad superstitious ideas over 100 years ago. Creationism is right up there with flat earth, astrology, and magic potions. Fortunately we have modern science that has demonstrated evolution in countless ways. You can see the evidence for yourself at the many natural history museums around the globe.

[@justice8718]

@@cosmictreason2242 Don’t bother much, Cosmic. They hate God and you know it.

[@zanderzephyrlistens]

I love your communication style and I cry when your intro music comes on XD

[@salton56]

A live stream and Video this week what a treat!!😊

[@tristanhore8519]

There are several trees alive today, dated by their growth rings, that are older than the young earth.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@tristanhore8519 rings aren't yearly 🥱

[@thaddeushamlet]

Here's a rewatch, comment, and like for doing the right thing. New to the channel and loving it! I've been getting recommended anti-religious content a fair bit lately and it's nice to have one that focuses on science over rehtoric as well as it not being the exclusive focus of the channel. (Not to disparage the channels I've seen, they seem good at least from what I have watched)

[@Thomas-lk9ok]

LOVE this woman!!! She's THE best!!!

[@smitty121981]

but the heat problem solves the mud problem because all the heat dried out all the mud! Haha checkmate atheists

[@Vadjong]

That makes the world earthenware. Yes, makes total sense!

[@kyleepratt]

Legit if SFT or others actually engage with this, that will be their answer. While laughing/scoffing that either could really preclude their view

[@EiferBrennan]

I really hope this is sarcasm.

[@smitty121981]

@@EiferBrennan the sad part is that you can't be sure because it's possible that someone might actually try to say that LOL

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

@@smitty121981 Poe's Law manifesting in its natural habitat.

[@botarakutabi1199]

Totally here for mistake fixing!

[@Limepopsicle07]

Algorithm-based engagement for my favorite gentle and of course very modern ape and the commitment you show to honesty and accuracy every video and every correction to a video you make.

[@RexfelisLXIX]

Personal integrity +1.

[@daguard411]

Thank You.

[@heatherrocchi6232]

The preclusion argument that I can repeat most easily is proboscideans.

[@joshuagies4900]

Much respect. Thank you for your integrity.

[@unclejoe7466]

I just talked to some very devout Christians this morning and was reminded how everything that resembles a coincidence, irony, and anything unexplainable by their current level of education is evidence of the presence and direct action of God. Scientific inquiry doesn't even appear on the horizon of their world view, let alone earn actual consideration.

[@summerbrooks9922]

The same may be said of Trump supporters backing a mad non-scientist over reality.

[@The_RC_Guru]

Oh no my favorite part of the intro is missing!!!!!

[@wondrousinquiry]

so glad i went to show my sister this video so that i could give the re-upload a watch!!! all the kudos to you and your academic rigor 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@nobody.of.importance]

If Gorillaz were gorillas, would that make them Gorilla Gorilla Gorillaz?

[@NeutralDrow]

Only if Murdoc is renamed to Magilla.

[@nobody.of.importance]

@@NeutralDrow Gorilla Gorilla Magilla Gorillaz? This is madness!

[@braukorpshomebrew6039]

When I first started my college science courses, my devout Christian professor made it clear that all religion must be left at the classroom door. Religion and science will never go well together.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@braukorpshomebrew6039 "devout" dubious

[@Soapy-chan]

creationists are basically saying that because you can see milk being turned to cheese with fermentation and time, that it can turn to cheese a day after going bad.

[@riluna3695]

My favorite analogy is when they claim that things like volcanic ash can form layers of the geologic column very quickly, so it's silly to think it would take millions of years to get what we have. It's akin to saying that a cheetah can travel 50 miles in under an hour, so it's silly to think that a turtle needs multiple hours to travel the same distance.

[@RollingCalf]

Well exactly. You're comparing science to magic. If the universe had a magical origin, then yeah, all those aeons long processes happen in the blink of an eye

[@riluna3695]

@@RollingCalf This bears repeating. It's incredibly common for religious people, or basically any believer in pseudoscience, to falsely assume that everyone thinks in the same way that they do, because information bubbles are strongly encouraged to prevent people from learning about things that preclude their false beliefs. But while it's significantly less common, atheists who follow science still sometimes make that same mistake. And when the mistake is made and not noticed, communication completely breaks down. The one place I see this done the most is with the "religion requires magic" retort. A lot of people seem to think this is somehow an argument against religion, when to the religious mind, it's evidence FOR religion. "Magic doesn't exist" is not an axiom, and should not be treated as such. It is a conclusion that can be tentatively reached after investigating numerous claims of magical things and finding that not a single one is real in any meaningful way. And given that Christianity and a lot of other religions have magic strewn throughout them, if any of those religions were true, magic would _necessarily_ be real. You can only conclude magic is NOT real by proving the religion wrong. Which should now make it clear why it's a bad way to argue that it MUST be wrong. Incidentally, every time someone makes this claim to a theist, they're accidentally supporting the "these people have an anti-supernatural bias" accusation, because it looks for all the world like they're saying "you can't be right because if you were right it would mean magic has to exist, and it doesn't", which is absolutely garbage logic. So....do be more careful, everyone, with what arguments and proofs you provide for atheism and/or against theism. There are enough really strong arguments that we don't need to rely on the bad ones.

[@justice8718]

@@riluna3695 You are created under God’s power. Nothing evolves on the earth can evolve into you. You are defeated by that one basic fact alone.

[@riluna3695]

@@justice8718 Why would I expect things to evolve into me? Only I'm me. I was born from my parents, so you can technically say that I "evolved from" them, but that's stretching the term to places it doesn't really belong. Individuals don't evolve, ever. Once you're born, whatever you're born with is what you have for your whole life. Then you have a kid and that kid is always themselves, with part of you, part of the other parent, and a few tiny bits of randomness thrown in. Sometimes those random changes make things worse, and if so, then the unfortunate truth is that the child that was born with that problem may not survive into adulthood. This is tragic, but it DOES happen, and when it happens, the harmful mutation is never passed on to anyone else. Neutral ones and positive ones are more likely to be passed on, and so over time those ones actually stick around. That's how we get a slow but steady upwards trend of beneficial mutations. Because the bad ones end up destroying themselves. That should hopefully help you understand what evolution actually is a little bit better. There's still a lot I haven't talked about, so if you want to know more, I'll be happy to share what I know. I can explain a really good way to tell the difference between common design and common descent, for example. That one might interest you. Let me know.

[@jtgus]

I was wondering where you got the data to calculate the 500 million years of radioactive heat. I'm looking into a different problem of "how long will the Earth have sufficient radioactive heat release to keep the core molten?". For example, the moon appears to be mostly solid now, and Mars is mostly solid. Will it be a billion years, two billion, six billion years before the Earth's core solidifies because all the Uranium has turned to lead.

[@justice8718]

Anyone who does the stupid “millions of years” thing isn’t doing science anymore. It’s not something we can actually achieve or replicate without the literal powers of God.

[@FNPetersen]

Should I hold my breath to see YECs display this level of honesty? I'm thinking that would make me pass out.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@FNPetersen they've already made corrections many times, eg the vapor canopy and paluxy tracks

[@Elitekross]

Love your work, watching again and adding a comment for the all powerful Algo rhythms

[@broccoli2084]

i love how you dont just talk like you're reading from a book. your little side comments and overall humor make this fun to watch. also i appreciate that you're out here educating people for free, and bringing attention to other great minds.

[@justinspencer983]

My free contribution. I appreciate the corrections. It should be a standard for all things to keep content up to date and correct.

[@StarSong936]

Erika, I'm saying this as a joke, but it did happen. One of my co-workers when talking to our supervisor complained she was having trouble staying on top of things. His response was that she should get a taller chair. Now they were working on getting additional staff, so they were not unsympathetic to the situation.

[@beegman27]

i guess when she said she has a "pathological inability to leave misinformation alone" she was not joking

[@thuzUNed]

Thank you for demonstrating the intellectual integrity that is sorely lacking in the YEC community.

[@evangedeon2194]

I love seeing a decent-sized KZbinr acting with honesty. I also enjoy having GG videos in the background of whatever it is I'm doing. Happy to half-listen to this again(?)

[@georgiemelrose9188]

Genuinely so impressive. We admire the intellectual honesty, a rewatch from me! And hell I might watch it again later. Good work is good work.

[@leeshackelford7517]

Nicely done

[@thuzUNed]

So it turns out that the run-of-the-mill YEC has had the only "possible" solution for their model all along: ˖✧˖°✶ MAGIC ✶°˖✧˖

[@pardotkynes1]

Why .... tell me why I just sat here and watched this entire video again. It hasn't been so long since you posted it before yet here I sit.

[@crow-dont-know]

Don't worry, I watched it again _twice_

[@seraphonica]

preclusionary argument: plants exist which die when submerged in water, whose seeds ALSO die when submerged in water. yet Noah preserved no seeds.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@seraphonica 1. "Noah preserved no seeds" is not possible to prove. 2. You can't prove that those plants are identical to the ones that existed pre flood, rather than being diversified descendants (not to mention this claim is usually false on its face, as with freshwater fish)

[@Tornadopelt]

@@cosmictreason2242 But we can prove that there was no global flood. First, though... how do you think the water needed FOR the Noachian flood made to Earth? Name your mechanism.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Tornadopelt it was in the ocean. More May have been added by volcanism but ultimately that's not necessary to posit

[@Tornadopelt]

@@cosmictreason2242 So, are you arguing Hydroplates?

[@justice8718]

@@Tornadopelt No. We actually have way too much evidence of a global flood by every facet and region from mankind. Even tribes that never touched modern society or the Bible talk about a global flood. The pagans that went against the Bible say there is a global flood.

[@FNPetersen]

Ok, now that I've reached the end, since I was putting off the original video and didn't get to see it, my favorite argument precluding Young Earth Creationism: Endogenous Retroviruses. ERVs preclude a special creation of man because they show with a degree of certainty greater than a standard paternity test that humans share a common ancestor with other great apes. Not only do they do this, but due to the amount of shared ERVs with other great apes, they show it several times over. Now that human and chimpanzee genomes have been sequenced, it's effectively the same as showing multiple independent paternity tests that each prove humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor. As Gutsick Gibbon said with the Mud Problem, it's a major theological problem: either humans and chimps share a common ancestor, or God created both species with explicitly false evidence to make it look like they do. In other words, either humans are apes, or God is a liar. There is no middle ground.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@FNPetersen you've misinterpreted the data. ERVs are observed among numerous animal classes but only select species within those classes, from which we have two options: a) convergent evolution of identical sequences dozens of times in animals with no shared recent ancestry b) viruses jumped from one animal kind to several others while they were in close proximity to each other in the recent past, with differences being due to randomness eg exposure time, exactly how close they were, individual biochemistry and so forth. One of these is much more coherent, because viruses being transmitted between different species and humans has already been documented repeatedly. And it's more parsimonious

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@FNPetersen not to mention the fact that using un-massaged data, the chimp genome is less than 73% similar to humans

[@mitchellminer9597]

Fascinating and fun as always. Thanks for teaching me about the origin of clays.

[@epiclazerpie1630]

reediting a video to correct a mistake is based as hell

[@sjzara]

Good for you.

[@ET3Roberts]

What's the mechanism to go from "stuff" to life? Has science been able to replicate that in a lab or anything at all?

[@robertlittle7314]

I have a photo of myself at Natural Bridges in Utah, taken by a fellow student while I attended geology field camp in 2005. Basically, it's hundreds of feet (vertical) of sandstone. There are small fossil shell fragments spread throughout, but basically it's all sandstone. This is not something you'll get from a single huge flood. Not really "the mud problem," but it's related.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@robertlittle7314 it's not something you get from a little river. Sorry dude, you're looking at evidence of the flood

[@robertlittle7314]

@@cosmictreason2242 on the contrary, it's evidence against a single major flood. Think about it. It's all sandstone, for all practical purposes. Look at the remains after a small flood. You're not going to find sand accumulations covering that kind of surface area, let alone vertical depth. Think about the conditions required to produce *only* sandstone on the scale of Natural Bridges. Big flood, we should find particle sorting of similar scale in adjacent regions, but that is not what we observe

[@TipsyTadpole]

Intellectual honesty and integrity are the pinnacle of human behavior. You are model. Bless you.