The murder mystery of JonBenet Ramsey (2016)

[@azzu12]

I can’t get over detectives telling the parents to look for clues in the house… isn’t that YOUR job!? What a perfect exam of how shoddy police work can destroy a case

[@mcfcguvnors]

fingerprints on a cereal bowl ? well duhhh mr policeman ,no wonder so many cases get astray

[@SusieQ1971]

At the time Linda Arndt was stuck alone trying to manage a house full of people. She had no other staff to help her. She said she noticed how agitated John was with his pacing and other behaviors and he had even disappeared for a couple of hours. So she thought asking him to search the house from top to bottom to look for anything out of place would keep his mind occupied. She told him not to touch anything if he finds anything suspicious. Of course he took Fleet White his friend with him straight to the basement where surprise surprise his daughter was then picked her up and brought her to Arndt even though she had said don't touch anything. Studies show when someone has killed a family member they recruit someone else to be with them when they "discover" the body so that someone else can observe their performance of screaming and being supposedly shocked.

[@tyleroreilly8195]

@@SusieQ1971I did just discover an interview with Linda arndt who claims there were already 2 other police officers at the scene when she arrived. THEY are the ones who did a walk through of the house and didn’t find the body.. and they both left when Linda arrived at the scene. They set her up to be the fall guy of the BPD. This was an inside job 100%

[@nbenefiel]

Officer Arndt told John to check the house for anything moved or missing. She told him to take a friend. He took Fleet White. She should have accompanied him.

[@nbenefiel]

They weren’t told to look for clues. John was asked to take a friend and check for anything missing or moved. Of course Arndt should have accompanied them.

[@nagashaadella]

I wish this one could be solved one day, her soul needs to fully rest in peace

[@stevenmillan9220]

It would take the likes of Fred Goldman and Kim Goldman to help out in finding the killer even if it means ferociously shaking down The Ramseys(who are very shady people) in finding JonBenet's killer.

[@jragan05]

Both are deceased now. ..

[@OpalLeigh]

I agree:( if I could see the solution to one true crime case, I think it would be this one. This case grew to such epic proportions 😢 people seemed to forget that there was a real little girl in the middle of it.

[@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust]

​​@@jragan05 You mean Jonbenet and Patty? Yes.

[@mcdarkness4779]

Soul? What's that?

[@laniblanii202]

There’s no way you could look at Jonbenet Ramsey and say “This looks like a 13, 14, or even 15 year old girl.” Like let’s be serious.

[@paulskinback717]

I know weird

[@kellyeverett]

Exactly, no wonder the police didn’t solve anything .. not the brightest

[@lisakaye3919]

Not even close!! 7 at the most. Even makeup can’t make a 6 year old look 14 or 15! What’s wrong with ppl?! Smh

[@BlackStump172]

Trying to frame the Ramsay’s .

[@eddielouisemoran5881]

Seriously, it’s equivelant to victim shaming rape victims based on their appearance Also the no sign of a struggle… how many 6 year olds are going to fight back.

[@BeaMode1990]

This was an insane case. I was the same age as her & as a six year old it shook me to think someone could be that heartless to take someone's life that way & never be caught. Crazy to think that she would have been 33 now & I do hope that the culprit will be finally brought to justice.

[@anchorpoint3631]

OJ commited this crime

[@louisemccoy9410]

ANGER is all over this murder !! Who could be angry enough to violate and strangle a little child ??

[@jasonhenderson6924]

I remember this story I was 8 I’m 35 now I remember seeing this everywhere newspaper and magazines rip to her

[@nate18268]

​@@louisemccoy9410that's exactly what I feel too. It seems extremely cold and calculating, maybe by someone who committed prior murders or kidnappings, or someone who associates with such a person. It doesn't strike me as a plausible result of sudden anger.

[@michellekayy2489]

It's crazy cause I'm 34, and we've grown up hearing about this case our whole lives. There has to be something the police or the parents are keeping secret because how is it possible no one has been caught after all this time. I pray the truth comes out.

[@saraaguayo-aponte9014]

There are too many weird things about this case. The fact that this happened in 1996 (I think) is one of the only reasons this case has still gone unsolved…That and the negligence of how the police handled the crime scene. How were so many people allowed inside? How could the family tamper with it so much? I don’t know. It’s truly bizarre.

[@bethryan9077]

There were 5 people plus 2 victim's advocates that the cops called. How did the 'family tamper with it so much'?

[@Bugiddle]

I think the friends were called over so that they *would* contaminate the crime scene. The Ramseys, two sets of friends, plus the Reverend. And two Victims' Advocates. That is 9 people, not counting LE. Five more than there should have been.

[@bethryan9077]

How the hell would the Ramseys Know the cops would Allow the friends inside? You kids are soo fkn Dense. BTW deary, the Cops called the victim's advocates to go there. Doh. Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies ONLY. 2 + 2 = FOUR. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a Long wait, the note said the call would be between 8 & 10 Tomorrow. All sat in the den & the sunroom. There were 8 cops & detectives who arrived at various times that morning, they walked all over the place. Go give the BPD a call about 'contamination'. Yawn. Stop spouting off about a crime that I have Already proven at more than one site, that you know Nothing about. The Ramseys were officially & very publicly Exonerated a Long, Long time ago. You highly Ignorant Ramsey bashers Really need to get over yourselves. @@Bugiddle

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys

[@lillianp-yj6yx]

@@bethryan9077 nobody would write a 3 page ransom inside the home where they are going to kidnap someone. something seriously wrong if you believe they would

[@ngalahansel6066]

A three-page ransom note written in their own house. Sounds very odd to me

[@LoyalAsst]

IKR 🤔 Then left the child there to be found and left. With no footprints in the snow. So I guess it was someone that can fly. 🤦

[@bethryan9077]

@@LoyalAsst There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side. The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone. A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink. The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory. They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report. You kids can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the beginning, the middle & the end. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many other Ignorant Ramsey bashers, True crime is clearly Way over your head, as it was for Many keystone cops who Pretended they were working this case.

[@bethryan9077]

The cops were made to publicly Apologise for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn't even snow that night & Old snow at the front Only. Frost & sleet at the sides & back that melted when the sun came up as the cops' photos taken early that morning, Show. @@LoyalAsst

[@nbenefiel]

@@LoyalAsst If you took the time to take a quicklook at the crime scene photos, you would see that there was no snow between the clean walkway and the open window. However the dried leaves and styrofoam packing pellets at the bottom of the window well had been disturbed and were tracked into both the train room and the wine cellar.

[@lalaqueen7252]

Also, who would write a ransom note about kidnapping someone that they didn’t even kidnap. She was in their basement the whole time. If there was a real killer why would they kill her then leave her in the basement of her own house. Why leave a “ranson note” in the first place? One of them obviously did it.

[@jasonmuller1199]

No perv sticks around to write a 3 page randsom note, the point is to grab the kid and get away as fast as possible.

[@lindamon5101]

The note was a gaslight to...get away with murder

[@RedGarnett-n2p]

​@@lindamon5101then explain the male DNA that's unknown on her underwear genius

[@RedGarnett-n2p]

He wrote The Ransom note before he was going to take her out the basement window and something went wrong the ramseys are not responsible for this

[@lindamon5101]

​@@RedGarnett-n2psteve dieckhoff rock climber chess master movie buff did it. The note was a gaslight to pit the " players" against one another ie kidknapping involves the fbi. The parents get blamed the chaos for the media ensues. Steve Dieckhoff did it. The handwriting is a match. The sardonic tone is a match Boulders BOLT WARS steve admitted to cutting bolts. He was a wanna be serial killer..

[@lindamon5101]

​@@RedGarnett-n2pgenius it was never a kidnapping. Look up 2 "books" by steve dieckhoff. SERIOUS PLAY and KNOTS FOR CLIMBERS. Genius got away with MURDER by writing a gaslit ransom note for a bogus kidnap. Genius. Pedophile serial killer rock climber steve Dieckhoff genius

[@teriaroker2702]

I’ve watched documentaries bout Jon Benet for a while now and I’m still baffled how nobody in her family knows anything. How does that happen

[@OoxB505]

Because they’re covering it up

[@bethryan9077]

How would the family know anything when they were fast asleep upstairs? Jeez. Have you any idea how many people are murdered in their own home when other family members are asleep, that are still Unsolved? Go do some research. Here's the main Reason this case went down the drain from the get-go, the BPD rarely had a murder case & this was the first for 1996, Then so-called investigators were put on the case 3 days later, who had Never worked a murder case before, Ever. And, nobody had ever worked a ransom case either, which was the First crime.

[@melissahanson7420]

The 3 are covering it up they know what happened and that's that.

[@DebraHarrison-b2x]

​@@melissahanson7420 There is no evidence to support your statement. None whatsoever.

[@rhebur77]

When all roads or evidence stay close to a scene or an area, and do not lead past it... the answer is right there in plain view. It's usually the simplest answer.

[@thomasdequincey5811]

The Cop's screwed up. They didn't secure the primary crime scene and lost that first "golden" hour for collecting evidence. As a result evidence was contaminated or even lost.

[@danielcruz8347]

Affirmative. Authorities blew it

[@sizzurpr7608]

Also, the cops allowed the parents to stall the investigation for the first 4 months.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@sizzurpr7608 Not true. All Ramseys supplied hair and blood samples, fingerprints... anything they wanted and were interviewed. On the other hand, the Boulder Police Department knew 2 weeks after JonBenet's murder there was DNA found in her underwear and under her fingernails that did not match any of the Ramseys, but kept that information hidden for 8 months.

[@lindamon5101]

This was staged by a rock climber steve dieckhoff. The note a gaslight. The "kidnapping" pitted the authorities against each other and the family causing a SHIT SHOW FOR THE MEDIA. STEVE DIECKHOFF DID IT. chess master artist movie buff

[@RedGarnett-n2p]

​@@sizzurpr7608whoever done this was going to take her out of there and something went wrong her mom and dad never had a damn thing to do with this in anyone that thinks they did is beyond a moron

[@lizzybraxtontv]

I was 9 years old when this happened. As a 36-year-old woman, something seems off.

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE? DNA was only tested against "violent criminals", not the entire database. Mitch Lambert(Robert Lambert, fbi guy) is Santa Claus. Eminem is on his lap in the Christmas picture with the Bundy girls.

[@KingUsyk]

​@@racheldrayer-isborn2759you're like the poster child for care in the community

[@bethryan9077]

@@KingUsyk You're like the poster creature for cleaning up the streets. *Edited February 2024, I see, 3 months down the track & now you've put a new profile picture. LOL.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@lizzybraxtontv Wouldn't you agree that when a child is found brutally murdered, something is bound to be "off?"

[@louwinters508]

About the the whole set up. Yeh. I don't believe it was an intruder at all. But more likely to be someone in the house.

[@shakazulu7808]

It’s hard to believe no one paid for this horrible crime😔🥺

[@sugarhiccup2584]

who told you that bruh stop talking rubbish

[@shakazulu7808]

@@sugarhiccup2584 so who was charged with the crime?

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@shakazulu7808 The killers are either dead or still out there. The Ramsey's could not be charged because there is insufficient evidence to win a case against them. The actual perps were not seriously pursued by the BPD. There is hope that ancestral DNA searches will turn up relatives with DNA similarities to that left by the individual whose DNA was consistent to that under her fingernails, in her underpants and the touch DNA found on her leggings. The second blood spot in her underpants yielded sufficient DNA that it was entered in to the CODIS Files of the FBI. It indicated it was from a male not related to the Ramsey's.

[@georgefromdownthehall3334]

*paid

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Patsy died of cancer within 10 years. So she paid. The stress and guilt probably contributed.

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

The whole idea of dressing a little girl this way and putting her onstage, the make up and lipstick! That is SO creepy even before any murder.

[@Alyaahahahaaa]

Yet it happens everyday still. So fucked up 🤢

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

@nofx5695 I was a professional photographer. I shot a pageant like this. It was just like you would think it would be. The director of the event was a personal friend. She confided in me she hated everything and everyone involved. But she had to pay the bills so she put on her game face and went with it. I also shot a dog show. Yep...like: 'Best of Show' the movie. I'm a dog guy, but these show people are a different culture altogether. Often a woman who married a rich guy and this was her thing. Some had a dozen or more dogs, very nice kennels, hired people to do the drudgery work. Total social climbing power tripping beeotchs.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@afellowamericanafellowamer5317 I like to go to dog, cat and horse shows. It does reveal that many get pleasure out of having their animals displayed . It has been a way of developing new breeds.

[@nbenefiel]

JonBenet saw a beauty pageant on TV when she was three. Her favourite game became “presenting Miss JonBenet”. She would have Patsy or John announce her, come out and sing and dance. She would have her friends do this too. Someone’s mom told them about a little miss pageant in Boulder. Patsy signed JonBenet up. She didn’t have a fancy costume or much rehearsal but she was a runner up. JonBenet loved it. So they did it again. These pageants were not everyday things. They took place a couple of times a year. JonBenet took dance and singing classes. My girls took gymnastics and ballet. This was pretty normal in the 80’s and 90’s.

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

@nbenefiel If you say so, but it's a messed up thing, not okay. It can't lead to the healthy development of a person. You want to play that game, go ahead, I think it's abnormal and the parents got in too deep.

[@SuthrnBlueEyes]

How does it not seem strange that the parents didn't search every little piece and part of that house When they first couldn't find her that's what I would have done

[@bethryan9077]

What part of Ransom Note do you Not understand? Normal people would call the cops Immediately, the child could still be in a Car, heading Wherever, time is of the Essence. BTW deary, the Ramseys lived in a Huge 4 storey mansion, not a 3 bedroom apartment.

[@SuthrnBlueEyes]

@@bethryan9077 I still would have looked everywhere anyways. Obviously there was a chance she would have been there smh and I never said don't call the cops.

[@bethryan9077]

So, according to Your brain cells, kidnappers just hang around waiting for the parents to get up when the father may have a Gun. Grow up & make sure you're Never on a jury. @@SuthrnBlueEyes

[@Scrappicat]

@@bethryan9077 Why do you Capitalize random words In the Middle of a sentence, like This?

[@SuthrnBlueEyes]

@FAKOKTA I agree!!

[@meemabuver]

That ransom note is ridiculous.

[@darkhorse9472]

It is ridiculous. What part of JonBenet's autopsy makes you think this guy was normal?

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

What guy? The note was written by the Mother.@@darkhorse9472

[@redfightblue]

It's a fact that SOMEBODY did that to her body. But you can't say that the father wasn't the guy who did it. If she died by accident while playing with her brother, the father might have done it to create an elaborate excuse to save his son. She was gone but his son was alive and in big trouble. An elaborate "Intruder" excuse would point the blame elsewhere. @@darkhorse9472

[@HopefulInterventions]

@@darkhorse9472So fake! Who writes a three page detailed ransom note?

[@darkhorse9472]

Here's a list of heinous murderers who wrote letters: Son of Sam -David Richard Berkowitz BTK- Dennis Radar Unabomber-Ted Kaczynski Jack the Ripper The Zodiac H.H. Holmes Albert Fish John Allen Muhammad (The Beltway Snipers) The Axeman of New Orleans Jeffery Dahmer Dennis Nilsen Jane Toppan Belle Gunness Dr. Harold Shipman Amelia Dyer

[@jaykolinsky6020]

It boggles my mind that there is multiple DNA evidence that was found on JonBenet that belongs to a single male, yet they can't figure out who that person is?? I have watched other shows, like Forensic Files, where some pretty amazing things were done from DNA evidence, like genetic profiling and linking it to ancestorial data. Nothing like that is even mentioned in this case, unless I missed that part.

[@nbenefiel]

DNA is great when it comes to ruling a suspect out or when you have DNA from a suspect who matches the DNA found at the crime. But when all you have is the DNA from the crime but no suspect who matches, that’s a different story. Over a thousand suspects have been tested but none matched. It’s been close to 30 years since the murder. The killer could be dead or in prison for another crime by now.

[@jaykolinsky6020]

@@nbenefiel But then this is where linking it to genealogical data becomes very powerful. If sufficient data is there, they can zoom into a particular part of a family tree that has similar genetics. They then do background checks for individuals that have a criminal background within that particular portion of the tree. And once they have a suspect, sometimes they don't even need his or her permission to get a DNA sample. They can follow the person and pick up objects like a cigarette but, pop can, chewing gum, etc. and have it analyzed. I believe once they get a match, they can then legally get a warrant to bring that person in for a formal DNA test. I have seen such cases solved in using such an approach. Shortly after posting my initial comment, I read a news report that stated the investigators were going to take another look at that DNA evidence. I suspect they may very well be using the genealogical approach to target in on a potential suspect. I have a strong belief that this case is solvable.

[@diamondmax5141]

All that you mentioned wass already done by investigators, no conclusion was found.

[@jaykolinsky6020]

@@diamondmax5141 Really? Using genealogical data?? If so, please point me to the source that indicates that, because I am not the only one that hasn't seen it.

[@staybanging101]

GEN DNA!!!

[@marybailey7881]

I think it was Burke who hit her over the head with a flash light or something hard. The "train room" was in the basement and I think they were playing with his new train toy he had gotten and which John Ramsey admitted to helping him put together. It is really strange that not many reports are out there of this, but you can check yourself. There was a "train room" in the basement and it was right next to the room Jonbenet was found in. So, I think Burke got a little rough and killed her (not by intention) and then the parents covered it up by putting the garrote around her neck (I think John did this , since he was in the military and Patsy wrote the note)

[@dilaracavusoglu-q5m]

I completely agree. there are multiple interviews with him now still speaking about his sister's murder and goddamn he is smiling in almost every freaking single interview. gives me the creeps.

[@bethryan9077]

To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.

[@cesnav7593]

I agree that the brother is strange, but the blood on her panties doesn’t match his. That’s a huge missing piece of the puzzle!!

[@bethryan9077]

@@cesnav7593 There is plenty of false & misinformation about this case & the facts about the DNA also. I have detailed on this thread, where the DNA was. Just to let you know now, 2 spots of blood in the big underpants was from JB. The saliva from one perp was in one spot of the blood. That DNA from unknown male Matched the DNA under her pinkie fingernails plus the touch DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. His DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The 2nd perp's DNA was found to be on the long-johns also, in 2016, that advanced forensic work showed he is hispanic. The cold case team who are on the job now, have the go-ahead to retest previous DNA plus are having other evidence items sent away.

[@marybailey7881]

there was no blood on her panties@@cesnav7593

[@lillianp-yj6yx]

What's with the mark on her arm in the pageant photos? Why did that guy say she looked 14-15? wtf she was a small child

[@MoralScienceEducation]

Sincerely hope the murderer can be found. In todays world, may everyone protect their children, their friends and family, and their colleagues from on line abuse, trespassing, amd harassment- and by never, ever uploading photos videos or clips on line without permission. Here's to the rebirth of privacy🙏

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE?

[@sunshinefogleman127]

This story has always haunted me. The pain of losing your child in such a brutal way, and then never getting any resolution to the crime is terrifying. The police truly botched the crap out of the investigation! They didn't secure the crime scene. They didn't separate the family members to question them. They didn't even find her body for hours after arriving! There has been no justice for Jon Benet, and the Boulder Plice Department is to blame.

[@SuperMarioBrosIII]

@sunshinefogleman127 We may never know the truth! 😢♥🧸🙏

[@marybailey7881]

I think it is now very possible that it was someone that hated John (and probably Patsy too )and wanted to get revenge on them. so they set it up in a way to make them look like they had written the ransom note, etc. I think in that case that the ransom note was written before and it was someone who was trying to make their handwriting look like Patsy's and use language she would use . I think it was someone who had been in the house obviously as they had taken a note pad and pen from the house

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The pain of losing your child? They killed her lolol.

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE?

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@marybailey7881 That theory agrees with the profile famed FBI analyst John Douglas put forth. However, If you watch the video about this I've cited you'll find Det. Olley Gray expounding about how this was not a crime committed by a single person or even two. CO-CONSPIRATORS The Pugh's did not have the ability to write the Ransom Note but that does not mean she was uninvolved. In fact she was the Facilitator. (Husband Mervyn and she had complete run of the house at Thanksgiving when they were to take Christmas trees upstairs from a room where JB and an in ground safe were found. Mervyn, handyman, was supposed to fix the broken basement window but he didn't.) Husband Mervyn and she had complete run of the house at Thanksgiving while the Ramsey's were in NYC. When they took Christmas trees upstairs from a room discovering an in ground safe. Mervyn, handyman, was supposed to fix the broken basement window but he didn't. Michael Helgoth told John Kenady at the end of November about a "killer deal". He was an electrician and probably knew handyman Mervyn. This timing coincides with when the Pugh's were hatching a plot to get that inground safe opened. They believed John knew the combination. They discovered it when the Christmas trees were removed. Later JB's body and Hi-Tec boot prints would be discovered there but the BPD failed to open that door in two "searches" of the basement. (Where were the scent dogs that Det. Eller and Det. Mason talked about bringing in?) The co-conspirators included the following: LINDA PUGH, Insider and Facilitator with a key and knowledge of the house and the family's schedule. Pugh bragged about how she knew Patsy's handwriting very well because she had many copies from the To Do Notes Patsy gave her for her work assignments. The very day Jonbenet was found dead the police went to the Pugh's and discovered she had pads of paper and pens at her home she'd taken from Patsy's which were identical to those used for the ransom note. . She also was caught by the BPD with black duct tape, white nylon cord, and rope wrapped around a stick. Motive - money and valuables from the in ground safe. CHRIS WOLF - The Mastermind who wrote of his hatred of John both before and after the crime. He was a pedo, convicted sex offender, and had handwriting more like the Ransom Note than Patsy did. imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C Can't you see how much the ransom note writing looks like Wolf's? "Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff Wolf as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiffs ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was "struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled [plaintiffs] own handwriting" and believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Motive- Make John suffer and possibly die when John came down to open the safe. Wolf fits famed FBI analyst John Douglas's criminal profile of the ransom note's author to a tee. SANTA BILL - AKA WILLIAM MCREYNOLDS - He set JB up by telling her he'd come AFTER Christmas so she willingly went with a Santa look-alike to the basement. The dark furs on her hands and the duct tape prove an outsider was there. He wanted his ashes mixed with JB's gift of gold glitter. He was Wolf's faculty adviser. His own daughter had been kidnapped with her friend 22 years to the day as with JonBenet. Oddly, only the friend was sexually accosted. co-conspirators. www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/archives/2006_08_01_ac360_archive.html. Wife, Janet McReynolds had written a play about a child who was molested in her basement, then murdered. 00. 1996-12-24: The day before Christmas, JonBenet was at Megan's house playing (Perfect Murder Perfect Town PMPT Pg50sb) 00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb) 00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb) "Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas. -Bill McReynolds" (PM,PT) P 292 www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm Motive: fixation on Jonbenet. Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case, said that Santa Bill gave JonBenet a card that read: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas." "Statements like that led me to have some sort of suspicion: What was going on between Santa Bill and JonBenet? Again, he is an individual who was involved with her, had an interest in her, was seen with her, shortly before the murder," DeMuth said. MICHAEL HELGOTH - In late November he told Michael Kenady he was going to get fifty to sixty thousand dollars and a "partner" the same for a "killer deal." Kenady told the police but they did not take this information seriously. While Wolf copied his draft of the ransom note on Patsy's notepad he and a "partner" who he'd told John Kenady about would hold Jonbenet hostage until John came down to open the inground safe. Then one or both of them would have been killed. He was a murder victim in February but the BPD insisted it was a suicide. It wasn't. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY Motive - Greed, lust, sadism, pedophilia. "PARTNER" - He would assist Helgoth with the torture and sexual attack on Jonbenet and help subdue John when he came down to open the inground safe. He left his DNA on three places - under JB's fingernails, in two spots on her underwear and on her leggings. Whereabouts unknown. Like Helgoth he may have been killed. INTRUDER - NINE MONTHS LATER An intruder accosted a girl who went to the same dance school as Jonbenet. After she and her mother had been out to see a movie they returned home, put on the burglar alarm and went to bed. The mother woke to strange sounds coming from her daughter's room. She went to the room and a man pushed past, went out the window to the porch roof and jumped down and ran away. The BPD was unimpressed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY

[@jessicawoods814]

Were they waiting for a call ? I never can forget the interview with the first female agent that was there by herself for hours with the family. She said when ten o’clock came and went and no one noticed that the kidnapper hadn’t called she knew something was off. She said when he came up from the basement with a stiff JBR in his hands she ordered him to put her down and she got on the floor to get her face next to JB to see if she was breathing at all and so did her father she said in the moment they had a non verbal exchange that she’ll never forgot bc her next action was grabbing her gun holster and counting in her head that she had 8 bullets. The interviewer asked her why she did that why was she scared did she believe the killer was still in the house and she said she knew it. She also said she knew that the killer would never be prosecuted. Very haunting and erry to watch bc you can just tell that woman will never be the same it had to affect her. I can also tell she was very genuine. I tend to believe her the most bc she was the first one there in those first important hours. She said at one point the father was just in the kitchen checking mail.

[@love2sing20101]

I worked with law enforcement and they usually know. Especially after working so many cases.

[@bethryan9077]

@@love2sing20101 She knew jackshit, as you have Already been told. She retracted everything she said for that numpty performance as her acting debut. As you have Already been told. That letter of remorse can be found online.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@love2sing20101 Linda Arndt was placed in a very difficult position. She was inexperienced and had never been part of a kidnapping or homicide investigation. In 2006 she spoke up and corrected herself from her initial position. "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her." "I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said. "I think our expectation of the justice system is that you clear 'em or you don't, but you don't leave people hanging in the wind this long - at least, that's my interpretation," Arndt said. "She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately." Full Text LINDA ARNDT: www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/threads/linda-arndt-speaks-with-forked-tongue.6954/

[@SimpleManABC]

You mention two of the nearly two dozen absolute dead give-aways that you need look no further than the family.

[@lovelydiva06]

@@bethryan9077so what, maybe she was threatened to retract, but like that hasn’t happened before amongst police especially when a powerful wealthy person is involved in something and they wanna protect them

[@starchaser57]

This had to be done by a family member.

[@nbenefiel]

Why?

[@sohodollll]

@@nbenefielransom note makes no sense especially bc she was found in the house, no signs of breaking an entering and the only way someone could have entered has been disproven bc the window had cobwebs. Jonbenets autopsy showed she had went through chronic sexual abuse.

[@nbenefiel]

@@sohodollll MHO, the ransom note had two purposes. One was to use the attempt to copy Patsy’s handwriting and using the amount of John’s bonus were intended to cast suspicion on the Ramseys. The second was to delay discovery of the body. It was very successful in both. A real kidnapper would ask for a lot more money and get his victim out of the house as quickly as possible. He wouldn’t take her to the basement, rape her, torture her, and then slowly strangle her to death. I think this guy was a sexual deviant who hated the Ramseys.

[@nbenefiel]

BTW, the basement window, in the crime scene photos was wide open. No one had to get through the broken window.All they had to do was reach in and open it. That would not affect the cobwebs. The grid covering the window well had been moved and the dry leaves and styrofoam pellets in the bottom had been stepped on and moved aside. The same leaves and pellets were found in both the train room and the wine cellar where the body was found. This was all in the testimony at the Wolf v Ramsey hearing.

[@nbenefiel]

Obviously, you did not read the autopsy report. Four doctors examiner her. One was an expert in sexual abuse in children. All four concurred there were no signs of sexual abuse prior to the assault immediately preceding death. So you might consider checking things about before posting internet lies.

[@kathleenmcguinness-clau8016]

i didn't see any real tears coming out of the mother's eyes

[@bethryan9077]

She was medicated from day dot lovey.

[@Alma2525]

Not defending her but she did shed tears...

[@DebraHarrison-b2x]

@kathleenmcguinness-clau8016 I've seen real tears coming out of the mother's eyes. Look more closely next time pet.

[@nbenefiel]

Patsy was so hysterical on viewing her daughter’s body, that she had to be sedated.

[@terryautry6493]

she was medicated and i think she had cancer or something

[@steveknick1978]

I saw a statistic on another documentary…it’s the only known case where a ransom note was found inside the same house as the deceased victim. That only happens if the note is written as a cover for a murder that has already occurred. Also all of the items used come from inside that house - the notepad, the sharpie used to write the note, & all of the materials used to make the murder weapon. Add to that the bonus amount the father got at work being mentioned as the ransom, it’s too much of a coincidence. If it wasn’t for the unknown male DNA on her undergarments, I think there would be little to no doubt in this case. You always want to believe the parents but it’s tough…they lawyered up 4 days after & didn’t talk to police until they were forced to. Also bedwetting past a normal age can be associated with ongoing abuse…

[@emenyiris121]

All my heart tells me that one shred of substantial evidence on John patsy or Burke they would be on it in a heart beat. Cops couldn't make the case, thats why they didn't use the grand jury indictments because the prosecutor would lose.

[@steveknick1978]

@@AonlineRedneck not positive but I think it was touch type DNA on the inside & outside of her waistband. DNA from under her fingernails was mentioned as well. I know they attribute it to an unknown male, not sure if the fingernail DNA matches the waistband DNA; that would be key for ruling out DNA transfer from an incident that occurred before the murder.

[@cr-nd8qh]

I wetted the bed last night. I'm scared

[@bethryan9077]

@@AonlineRedneck The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@alwaysimitatedneverduplica4527]

Bedwetting is actually one of the traits of a psychopath together with arson and animal cruelty

[@alexprinsrealestateagent1263]

This is still so chilling. It has to be someone in the family or a friend of the family. The fact that this was done while the parents were sleeping and they didn’t hear someone else in the house. They just slept through it? It’s so creepy. I hope they find out who did it.

[@MartyMcFly88]

It was the parents

[@kelrogers8480]

We already know who did it.

[@mizzlaura]

​@JenniferLove199 John has even agreed that they were neglectful and if he could go back and do it all again then he would've been a lot more stern when it came to the pageants and Jonbenet performing in public he even said in this documentary she had a float on a parade with her name on it which he regrets letting her do, I understand these pageants are fun to do for the kiddies but it's every pedophiles dream, there's even a story of a guy recording Jonbenet at one of her pageants and claiming he was her dad to one of the judges

[@mizzlaura]

If its not a family member, then it's definitely someone who has watched the family and cased their house many times because how else would they know to get in through a broken window in the basement? That window was hidden by a wrought iron gate, one would only know its there if they really looked, whoever did this was angry about something and that head wound and strangulation proves it

[@christynorman7288]

Patsy was on sleeping medication. Don't know about John

[@torrescle]

What blows my mind is thinking about whether she would be alive or not if the little girl wasn’t exposed and famous like she was.

[@rowlinstoned3715]

She'd still be dead... her parents knew her. They killed her and I can't believe they haven't been able to prove it.

[@Bugiddle]

That had nothing to do with why she was killed. It's a red herring. Still the same family dynamics whether she was in pageants or not

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE? DNA was only tested against "violent criminals", not the entire database. Mitch Lambert(Robert Lambert, fbi guy) is Santa Claus. Eminem is on his lap in the Christmas picture with the Bundy girls.

[@Bugiddle]

@@racheldrayer-isborn2759 What??? You must be on something. That sounded nuttier than a fruitcake.

[@nbenefiel]

Thousands of little girls participate in pageants. They don’t get killed.

[@notmyrealname6150]

No explanation for the undigested pineapple in JonBenet's stomach. Patsy said she wasn't aware of her daughter eating it. I find it difficult to believe an intruder would fed JonBenet before killing her. It would also go against the intruder theory that JonBenet was stunned by a stun gun in her bed.

[@judychang8760]

Right. All this stuff went on and no one heard anything. Eating pineapples, snatched out of her bed, etc. You would think if it had been a total stranger she would have been kicking and screaming. Or making some kind of noise even if the "intruder's" hand was over her mouth.

[@if6turnedouttobe9]

Right on...He was the nicest kidnapper ever...He told her to sit there and eat this pineapple and take your time because I have a 3 page ridiculous, silly and very pointless ransom essay to write because I will never be able to collect it anyway...Lol...

[@bethryan9077]

@@judychang8760 You kids don't even know that the parent's bedroom was the whole of the top storey. You kids are soo Daft, you can't even think of any way that a grown ass person/s could get a tiny 6 year old out of her bed so she didn't make any noise. Y'all are as thick as the totally inexperienced 'detectives' who were put on the case 3 days later. You too need to stick to the Cartoons. BTW - it's a Proven fact that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple, pineapple, pineapple that the perps Staged on the table, along with Lots of other things, all over the house.

[@bethryan9077]

@@if6turnedouttobe9 You kids know Nothing about this case, let alone anything True.

[@LondiweMtshali-yy5kf]

Who gave her the pineapple if parents denying

[@moondove1822]

My mom was pregnant with me when this happened and it really messed her up. She was always so overprotective of me growing up because she was terrified i was going to be kidnapped or murdered like JonBenet. I'm 26 years old and my mom is still overprotective of me

[@TheBlacksheep2020]

Your Mom sounds like a drama queen.

[@stevena.7022]

Kids used to play in public before the true crime media had its way.

[@sherrykrause3410]

That one female officer said it didn’t seem like anyone was waiting for the call the time passed and nobody even addressed it. Linda someone

[@paulettelewis992]

Linda Arndt. Now that they have Genealogy DNA checking they can find out for sure who killed her. Why don't they do it.???

[@nbenefiel]

The ransom note said the call would be “ tomorrow “ at 10:00 AM. That would be December 27, not the 26 th. John spent much of the morning of the 26 th trying to get money transferred from his investment account to his bank account to pay the ransom.

[@stevecochrane8799]

​@@nbenefielwell if the murder was committed on the night of the 25th then the next day would be the 26th. Or the killer was in a rush to write the note and forgot that it was past midnight as well as forgot to change clothes and wore the same red turtleneck blouse that she wore at the party the night before. Yes I'm talking about the mother.

[@stevecochrane8799]

​@@nbenefielHe probably did that because he hadn't put the pieces together that his wife had committed the murder. The officers also said that there was no communication between the two of them for the rest of the day after the discovery of the body. John also contacted a lawyer an hour after the body was found and charted a private plane to fly to Atlanta. As well as a PR firm a few weeks later.

[@nbenefiel]

@@stevecochrane8799 The Ramseys returned from the party at 10:00 and by 11:00 they were in bed. The best estimate of time of death based on the stage of rigor mortis and the state of her digestive tract, is between 1:00 and 3:00. That would place the murder on the morning of the 26 th.

[@emilylitchko9414]

I have always thought it was Burke with patsy staging and writing the note. How can you watch the dr Phil episode with Burke and NOT think he’s guilty????

[@nbenefiel]

How can you believe a 9 year old boy could have pulled of this lengthy, complicated torture rape and strangulation. No kid made that garrote. In court it was described as a bondage instrument. Few 9 year olds even know what bondage means.

[@emilylitchko9414]

@@nbenefiel I don’t think Burke strangled her. I think the blunt force trauma to her head was Burke. I think they had thought he killed her and realized how bad having a son as a murderer would look for their reputation. They didn’t want Burke to be labeled a killer. They had already lost one child didn’t want to lose the other. So they covered it up.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

That's ridiculous. If the son had killed her they wouldn't have staged all this nonsense. They'd have just claimed it was accidental. @@emilylitchko9414

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE? DNA was only tested against "violent criminals", not the entire database. Mitch Lambert(Robert Lambert, fbi guy) is Santa Claus. Eminem is on his lap in the Christmas picture with the Bundy girls.

[@michellekayy2489]

That's what my gut says too. He was a smart kid with a temper.

[@taralown7023]

Dozens of high profile cold case murders have been solved in the last 2 years with genetic genealogy. If they have enough DNA left to test, or have a profile (which I think they already do) - they can run a search and 100% find the source of the DNA. I bet the DNA links to someone who was working the crime scene that day, not the actual killer. The killer was 1 of 3 of her family.

[@sunshine3914]

They’ve claimed that there’s not enough DNA.

[@lindamon5101]

Nope

[@darkhorse9472]

@taralown Fortunately, evidence doesn't care what you 'bet'. Unknown male DNA found in JB's panties, under her fingernails, and on the waistband of her leggings eliminated ALL Ramseys, and numerous others including those who confessed to the murder. #factsmatter #dotheresearch #justiceforjhonbenetandherfamily

[@ztkrx]

boulder police won’t release evidence in order to solve this case. their fragile egos is what’s stopping this case from being solved…they want to solve it and refuse to let anyone else try.

[@calebdanan]

If the DNA is from a family member it would be very easy to argue that of course it would be there. As opposed to some creep that had past convictions

[@heleneocleary5888]

How ridiculous that letter is. Utterly bizarre.

[@lindamon5101]

Its called a GASLIGHT

[@thomas1630]

Oh yea cause the killer wasnt deranged or bizarre?? He would have wrote a normal not???

[@misterbuttersworth9904]

She wasn’t brutally tortured; she was struck in the head by either Burke or Patsy and they garroted her afterwards to make it look like she was strangled…the ransom note would taken about 35 minutes to write What kidnappers would do that? And they happens to write it on a pad from the house

[@jeannetteembry2216]

So we're did the semen come from??

[@Zenlife1132]

I thought the brother as well.

[@TheBlacksheep2020]

five physicians who examined her autopsy found that she had been sexually assaulted for a period of time, not just on the night of her death. Do the math.

[@l-b284]

three pages in 35 minutes? more like 5-10 minutes.The writing wasn't tiny, it was pretty large. And yes, you wouldn't bring your own paper, that's evidence. You use something from inside the house.

[@JayM999l]

@@Zenlife1132idk about the brother he was 9 and little boys don’t usually start ejaculating like that until they’re older and if it was like pre cum I’m sure the forensics scientists would’ve been able to tell plus the blood of the unknown male found on her private areas matched no one in the house

[@protochris]

Quite strange how there is touch DNA on the pajamas, yet the killer left no fingerprints on the pen or paper for the ransom note. The duct tape on JonBenet's mouth had no DNA or prints either. This was certainly a killing that happened first, then a staged coverup with the tape and ransom note.

[@HeatherHall-fg9vi]

Yes, your 💯 right! I know Patsy wrote that random note.

[@lindamon5101]

STAGED BY THE CLIMBER STEVE DIECKHOFF. rock climber chess master movie buff steve dieckhoff did it

[@Realfrenchie]

​@@lindamon5101Hein????

[@nillyk5671]

Because there were two, one wearing gloves and the other one wasn't.

[@nillyk5671]

​@@HeatherHall-fg9vino she didn't 🙄

[@joanannewallace]

Beautiful innocent little girl. Such an horrendous death. I hope they catch the killer.

[@Robert.Martyr]

*RepTiLLian Party is AKA the "End America Traitors Party"!!!!* *I just Wish that DeMoniCrats were => NOT * *Woookers, Trannies, Ghaaays, Haters of God, & Drug Heads!!!!*

[@nbenefiel]

JonBenet was conscious while she was being strangled. She tried to get her fingers between the cord and her neck. There is no way her parents thought she was dead.

[@jodiekeenan3005]

Child pageants are abuse. Bar none.

[@weirdo5424]

It’s literally selling your child’s virginity to pedophiles.

[@l-b284]

Some of the kids love it and are not forced into it. It's no different than child actors. They like to dress up and they like to sing and entertain...like Shirley Temple. Other kids are forced to do pageants and be what their mothers or fathers wanted when they were children. The abusers in pageants are no different than the "baseball dads" and the "football moms" who sit and scream at coaches and their kids while they try to live vicariously through them.

[@kicrocks]

Dad knew the truth. Mom didn't want to believe it but knows too. Sick people.

[@Hbk-gc7st]

Look at 60 miutes about this case and you'll see that you're wrong.

[@theonionqueen3519]

I believe the same thing. John acted alone, he was the perpetrator.

[@nbenefiel]

You guys need to check out the actual evidence.There is a reason they were never charged and it’s not a corrupt DA’s department.

[@anovosedlik]

Are you implying what I think? (SA)

[@kicrocks]

@Hbk-gc7st I've seen it. I saw a women who was broken but knew. The dad obviously knew.

[@SAGEXX309]

All I know is DNA, SCIENCE, MATH, DON'T LIE. The people who process, examine, interrogate, enforce and judge DO HOWEVER. This smells like a massive collaborative effort to cover up for folks with DEEP pockets and CONNECTIONS.

[@nbenefiel]

The DNA and the prints exclude the Ramseys.

[@anovosedlik]

I agree!!! I really hope that all cold cases -- ESPECIALLY for kids-- can be solved now that we have the tech. This happened before I was even born...so I guess they didn't have cell phone tower data? Anyways, the only problem is that the scene was completely contaminated. Getting a conviction would be tough if there weren't any bodily fluids left from another person (blood, etc) for obvious reasons. Like if her brother did it, they couldn't say 'oh he did it cuz his dna was on her' cuz of course it's on her. It would be hard for it to not be on her.

[@l-b284]

maybe someone connected to the former police chief, or a judge, so the least experienced team was assigned, knowing they would mess it up.

[@lindamcarthur1407]

Why was the house not searched from to to bottom for more than 6 hours after she was supposedly kidnapped, and then the father was sent to the very room where she was. This is absolutely incredible . . Jon slept on another floor, no footprints or prove of a break in to the house. The parents were responsible or at least one of them did this and the other covered up for her or him.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Absolute clueless untrained police

[@arcbusiness]

True.

[@asiyyahmullen8777]

Exactly why are you not searching your entire house for your child they know what happened to that little girl its a shame

[@nbenefiel]

Patsy and John woke early. Patsy did her hair and make up, then put on her new Christmas sweater and went down to make coffee. They were leaving that morning for Charlevoix. She saw the note on the stairs, read the first line and screamed for John. He came running, read the note and told her to call the police. While she did that, he ran upstairs, checked JonBenet’se room and found her gone. He checked on Burke who was still asleep. He checked the guest room wand the playroom. Then he checked the main floor and went to the basement. The police arrived and he went upstairs. The police went to the basement but did not check the train room or the wine cellar.

[@bethryan9077]

@@nbenefiel I know you're doing great things for this case & for the family, but please, that sequence is not correct.

[@susangibson9123]

The police officer who said Jon Bennet looked like a 13 or 14 yr old ??? Absolutely no way ! I believe she was murdered by someone who knew the family. I have never thought the parents were involved. You can hear distress in Patsys voice in the initial call to the police. You can hear she’s hyperventilating.

[@karindickinson7993]

With a little force I can hypervantilate without a reason.

[@STRYKEtv]

The parents are emotionless

[@moshitupjwz5967]

do some more research

[@bethryan9077]

@@karindickinson7993 FYI - in great Fear for her 6 year old child, Patsy had only read to about - 'we have your daughter' when she raced back upstairs to find her gone & screamed for John. No doubt with her legs buckling, she had to race 70 metres to the other end of that section, checked she wasn't in the other bed in Burke's room & John was down the stairs from their bedroom suite then. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She had to race back 70 metres to the spiral staircase & down to the alcove near the kitchen/back door to use the wall phone. She was obviously in Shock & under such stress, at the very beginning of that desperate but very frustrating call, all that came out was Babble. For normal people, it is very Clear that part way through, she was trying not to Scream.

[@bethryan9077]

You & your like are very Ignorant.@@STRYKEtv

[@misscamay]

you’d be dumb not to think that someone inside the family killed her….the ransom note says it all….

[@davidwilliams4498]

We have our opinions an mine is I don't thi k Patsy was stupid enough to use John's bonus amount as ransom though a huge majority believe that

[@LeviBulger]

You just want it to be true. But literally anyone who has studied this case, including the FBI has already ruled them out. The note is like the least compelling piece of evidence at this point. The police didn't know what they were doing, plain and simple. They're the ones that perpetuate the bad conspiracy theory that people like you want to believe, even lying about evidence or saying they have something but won't show what they have that implicates the parents, etc. All because of their incompetence. The Saliva DNA and touch DNA that was found on the waistband that match each other is the evidence they should have only been compelled by, but nope. They would rather get stupid people to believe the ramseys did it because they're the scapegoat for their inability to investigate like professionals.

[@l-b284]

follow the evidence, not your heart.

[@virgilstarkwell8383]

Normally I agree with the view that insiders are the most likely except for one thing, I just can't see either PR or JR garroting their kid, That is very sadistic way to kill. They would have to be unbelievably sicko to do that.

[@jerriecarpenter4828]

Maybe the housekeeper and her husband needed money.

[@jcs3330]

"He did it"...She did it". The sad thing about this murder is 27 years on, still all the 'guessing' but no one responsible has been brought to justice. That's the sad part.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

Emmit Till was killed in 1955 and those that killed him were acquitted. Not all murders in the US get justice.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

O.J. Simpson is another one. He murdered two people and was acquitted. To this day, has anyone been charged with the murder of those two people? NO because they know who committed the crime.

[@daveh322]

It was her brother. All the evidence suggests it and he pretty much admitted it in his interviews.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

@@daveh322 - I guess the evidence wasn't worthy or wouldn't he have been arrested? What held the law back?

[@daveh322]

@@maryjeanjones7569 This is just my opinion but I think the cops figured it out pretty quickly. No signs of forced entry, no enemies, no robbery, no assault. The ransom letter was proven to be the mothers handwriting on stationary found in the house. I think they admitted to law enforcement that it was the brother and it was an accident. He was 10 years old at the time. The cops would have HAD to charge the parents with numerous crimes such as tampering with evidence, obstruction etc etc etc. as well as arrest their 10 year old for homicide. I think it was agreed upon to leave it as "unsolved". Maybe there was money involved but I have never seen any convincing evidence of that. The brother, in my mind, definitely did it. I think he had no conception that he was going to kill her. He was upset at her for eating his snack. He got mean with her as children do and he hit her too hard. Parents discovered it and made a bad decision to come up with a cover story.

[@kristinemalone6371]

I saw Jonbenet and Patsy at a pageant my daughter was doing..she and my daughter were close in age..She absolutely loved her it was very apparent ..I'll always believe they are innocent👍

[@lovelyandfloppy]

Then who wrote the 3 page ramson note? A kidnapper doesn't do all that.

[@kristinemalone6371]

@@lovelyandfloppy Kidnappers who wanted it to be blamed on the parents if they didn't get the money ,that's who.....

[@lovelyandfloppy]

@@kristinemalone6371 with pen and paper belonging to the Ramseys? Furthermore a "practice" note was found in the trash. Get real what kidnapper takes the time to write such a long convoluted note. It just doesn't happen.

[@kristinemalone6371]

@@lovelyandfloppy Well you have your opinion and i have mine...I've studied this case thoroughly and I gave my opinion I know the details ,also met the people ....

[@damnlimpnickis509]

@@kristinemalone6371 Just because you met them in a public arena does not mean you know them. Everyone has a public persona and a private one. Do you curse at church? How about at home? Do you see where Im going here? It takes more than a minute to truly know someone. If that weren't true there would be fewer divorces. I had a friend who's husband was abusing drugs, she had no idea until she found them. I worked with high profile businessmen who were all highly functioning alcoholics. They never appeared inebriated. You don't know what you don't know.

[@MeAndYouOutThere]

if the Ramseys had called 911 after finding Jonbenet themselves in the house at the very beginning in the morning in the condition she was in dead without the kidnapping story and the ransom note??? Where would the Ramseys be today....

[@bethryan9077]

The note was found at about 5.40 a.m., the cops were called, the child was found after 1 p.m., the Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented but like the tabloids from back in the day & the plethora of books since, fooltube shows make Money from the naive, the ignorant & the stupid.

[@bethryan9077]

The note was found when still dark very early that morning. The child was found after 1 p.m.

[@VeronicaMurphy-qb3km]

I don’t understand how this is not solved

[@davemichael6550]

it's not solved because the parents did it. The "DNA" which was from clothing factory workers exonerated them despite the overwhelming circumstantial evidence.

[@bethryan9077]

@@davemichael6550 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last year a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.. Now go play.

[@bethryan9077]

@@davemichael6550 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last year a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@jacekpaszkowski2000]

That 911 call sounded so fake, as in staged.

[@if6turnedouttobe9]

Right on...I've said the same thing for years...

[@bethryan9077]

That was one of The most Genuine 911 call people will hear. You kids have No Idea how far Patsy had been racing through the house in great Fear before she picked started dialling. At the very beginning she couldn't even get her words out & it was Babble. At near the end of that desperate but very frustrating call, for Normal people, it is obvious that she is trying not to Scream.

[@bethryan9077]

@@if6turnedouttobe9 All those with a Biased attitude have a Very biased Perception. Deary, the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago, you kids Really need to stick to your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending. As should the totally inexperienced 'detectives' who were put on this case 3 days later, one in particular who decided he could get rich by putting out a book instead of working the case. He failed at that too & here y'all are, talking Crap about a case that you also know Nothing about.

[@jacekpaszkowski2000]

@@bethryan9077 And "you have an idea about Patsy" because you knew her & you were there or part of the family, right? Police are now solving crimes that took place 50 years ago and they can't solve this with all the genealogy and touch DNA. Now they can get DNA from the air.

[@M.M.7.]

As a loving mother who lost her child, there is no way I reacted like her. Something doesn't seem right. I still feel they have some kind of involvement.

[@darkhorse9472]

How many cases have you been involved in where you were analyzing the demeanor and conduct of parents who had a child found murdered in their home? Do you have any experience, formal training, in how psychologically or otherwise one expects a parent to grieve when a child has been murdered? You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong.

[@M.M.7.]

@darkhorse9472 Absolutely. 13 years in homicide and had a child killed.

[@M.M.7.]

@@darkhorse9472 I also live in Colorado.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

They come across as suspect in interviews, especially the Mother.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@M.M.7. Ya, so? You live in Colorado. Let me reiterate -'You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong.'

[@Shay_TheUnpopularOpinion_]

I really do believe the parents were involved, most likely the dad. He continues to do media coverage like he’s a celebrity or something. With all the money he has, you’d think he’d hire private investigators… something besides putting out a book. Also how the heck is the ransom letter that long , including the amount for the dad’s bonus. He never once mentioned who this could have been. Obviously if the ransom letter had been true , it would be someone he knows. But he never mentions that which is very telling for me.

[@christynorman7288]

His son asked for that same amount 118,000 dollars. Andrew Ramsey He said he could afford it his business was doing well. He spoilt his new kids.

[@gracegraceful2558]

What about his other daughter that died in a car crash.

[@christynorman7288]

@@gracegraceful2558 -yes she was killed imo suss. I don't trust either of the Ramsey's. Jealousy between John's first two families. Especially one of the sons Andrew against Burke and jonBenet Hence asking for a lump sum in 1995 Xmas. John gave him a lump sum. But refused when he called in again on xmas day, for a lump sum oddly the same amount $118,000 as written in the letter, I know the amount was the amount of John's bonus from his company. The amount was left around the house at the top of his pay slips. John refused and the son from the first marriage left presumably in a temper the neighbours saw the son come on that day the altercation was Andrew saying John spoilt his second family and his business was doing well now he could afford it. There is green eye here. Peace ☮️ out 🇬🇧

[@bethryan9077]

@@christynorman7288 omg, stop making up more & more BS about a case that you know Nothing about.

[@bethryan9077]

@@gracegraceful2558 John's eldest daughter from his first marriage was killed in a car crash with her fiance due to an icy road a truck. What the f is Wrong with you people? None of these events have happened to You, so everything is nefarious. Grow Up.

[@victoriagomez-wright9271]

why the heck this crime and Maddy McCain have not been solved is beyond me.

[@lonestardeluxe3677]

Cases are very much alike when it comes to suspect behavior from the parents. Cold dads and fake, creepy moms.

[@lorio5003]

i do think they are similar. rich friends and parties. neglected kids

[@bethryan9077]

@@lonestardeluxe3677 It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know. Oh wait, the McCanns - also a very attractive couple, also both very well educated, also both very well spoken & Not afraid to Speak Up, also very wealthy & all Four could run people like You down to the ground in the blink of an eye. Just saying.

[@bethryan9077]

@@lorio5003 For those of us with something called Intelligence, it was More than obvious that the kids were Very well looked after. Stop making up shit just to make Yourself feel better.

[@bethryan9077]

@@lonestardeluxe3677 When one has a hateful Biased attitude, one has a totally biased Perception. Very attractive moms with very pretty daughters & successful confident fathers. Jealous much? BTW deary, the Ramseys were Proven innocent a Long time ago & there is nothing to say that Maddie is even deceased, so all that you horrible Highly ignorant victim bashers say about Her poor parents also, is Moot.

[@23skidoo46]

pretty sure the brother/son did it. he just looks guilty and they haven't found "the suspect" , usually means it's someone in the house. someone got away w/murder.

[@annabelleproductionsofficial]

The Burke theory makes no sense. I think an intruder did it due to majority of the evidence pointing to an intruder, but even the theory that John or Patsy killed her makes more sense then Burke. The strangulation came first. There were marks on her neck that matched perfectly with her fingernails and showed that she tried to pull the rope away from her neck and try to save her own life. If the head injury came first, she would not have been able to do this. She would have been unconscious. If she somehow had any consciousness, she would have been in too much pain to move and wouldn't have had the strength to try and pull the rope away from her neck. Nine year olds are strong, but not strong enough to strangle her like how she was strangled, so there's no way he could have strangled her either. She was strangled by a grown man. The DNA also ruled out the entire family. It was found on her underwear, pajama pants, under her nails, and on other pieces of evidence that haven't been released yet. The DNA couldn't have come from a manufacturer because it was washed multiple times, were not from the same manufacturer, and were under her nails and on other pieces of unreleased evidence. There's no other way for the DNA to get there other than an intruder. There was also the unidentified hand print on the doorknob on the door left a jar by the basement cell grate and the unidentified palm print left by her body. The basement cell grate was disturbed, the window under it was opened with a scuff mark on the wall, and a suitcase was below the window with broken glass from the window on top of it. On the suitcase was a Hi-Tec footprint, and another also found by her body. The Ramseys did not own a stun-gun Fibers from the pajamas she wore that night and her hair were found inside that suitcase, which means she was in there sometime that night and was possibly almost transported outside of the house that night. She had stun-gun marks on her body too, and the Ramseys did not own a stun-gun. The rope used to strangle her was not found in the house, and neither was the duct tape that was on her mouth. On the duct tape on her mouth, there was fur from a beaver, and the Ramseys did not have any beaver fur in the house. The ransom note's handwriting also did not match Patsy or John's. Many people think Patsy's handwriting is very similar to the ransom note's, but the note had mistakes that couldn't be faked that did not match mistakes in Patsy's handwriting, meaning she couldn't have written it. I hope all of this changed your opinion on Burke and the Ramseys being guilty!

[@eethelast]

@@annabelleproductionsofficial ✅

[@capwb]

"he just looks guilty" well I'm glad you're not a detective

[@Petratmummy]

When the brother was getting interviewed and he said dad told me she was in heaven you can see a smile on his face.

[@nbenefiel]

So?

[@user-mm2sv8ly9m]

He is on the spectrum and like the other comment implies, that means nothing. You have no idea how you'd react if you were on the spectrum and this was a common thing since you were small.

[@KarenBienAime]

The brother kill her

[@nbenefiel]

@@KarenBienAime nonsense, DNA doesn’t lie.

[@nbenefiel]

@@KarenBienAime no, he didn’t

[@marybailey7881]

why did Burke seem to be happy at the funeral ? He looked like he was at Disney World, not a funeral.

[@michellekayy2489]

There's something seriously wrong with him

[@bethryan9077]

Firstly, the footage shown where he is smiling was the memorial service on the Sunday. Next - if I was a 9 year old boy, I too would be shocked to see soo many Gawkers & TV cameras waiting outside & would be trying not to burst out laughing too.

[@bethryan9077]

@@michellekayy2489 Nah, there's something seriously wrong with You. How about you too try to be a grown up with a few mature brain cells for a change.

[@derlinclair3589]

@@michellekayy2489 There wa something seriously wrong with the whole family!Jonbenet's mother has died,and now only the creepy father is left.

[@mookiepookie444]

@@derlinclair3589 , yeah um I don’t get anything creepy about him. I think he and Patsey handled things with class. They adored that little girl and it’s as obvious as day how well she was cared for.

[@Korne1984]

I’ve always thought that someone from the family killed her..there are too many illogical details and behaviour in this case

[@davidwilliams4498]

Have you seen the online brutal autopsy photos. IMO it's to brutal for a family cover up.

[@bethryan9077]

You are sucked into the never ending False information. This case has never been to something called a Trial, why the f do you people kid yourselves so much? jeez.

[@gabrielegoldschmidt2436]

I'm hoping that those millions of Ancestry DNA kits will catch the killer eventually. DNA doesn't lie and hopefully JBR will get justice at last.❤

[@peterlongprong7521]

actually, it does, DNA tests have wrongfully convicted innocent people ~ and tests are manipulated and results lied about ~

[@ytzpilot]

If someone in the family did it then DNA is shared all through that house, it’s when a stranger introduces DNA to a crime scene that you can link it to them, but if no outside DNA is found that would suggest no stranger made an entry to the home

[@bethryan9077]

@@ytzpilot The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys

[@Dave2170]

@@ytzpilotthe DNA found on JBR is not related the the Ramsey family. This was stated in the CNN video.

[@ytzpilot]

@@Dave2170 that doesn’t mean anything, kids that age play in close contact with other kids, hug other kids, hug school teachers, they come in close contact with many others in daily life and multiple DNA will be found from that, what wasn’t found was a typical pattern of DNA you would find by an intruder in a crime scene, an intruder leaves a DNA trail

[@d_c_C]

If anyone in the Boulder, Colorado area wanted to help, they could’ve submitted DNA samples to the police and help identify the killer

[@kellyjacquin715]

Theres not a complete profile, there will never be a match.

[@rayon_t0p]

they could've checked the rope for DNA since it wasn't from the house

[@shop-a-holic3194]

I believe they can investigate with smaller dna's pieces from a profile. I mean that is What I have learned from the Kohberger case...@@kellyjacquin715

[@lindamon5101]

Staged By The Climber steve dieckhoff Writer of SERIOUS PLAY& KNOTS FOR CLIMBERS

[@YesItsReallyKeith]

@@rayon_t0p yeah and they found the same rope at the cleaning lady's house... and how hard is it to go to the local hardware store to see who bought some... not to much amazon delivery in 1996 !

[@farisdawood6674]

God only knows what happened that night ,but in my opinion the killer was already in the house when the Ramsay's family returned back home from the Christmas party.The killer entered the house as soon as the family left for the party ,he went to the basement and waited for their return.When the family returned home and everyone went to sleep ,the killer went upstairs to Jonbent's room and knocked her out unconscious( that explains her skull fracture), covered her mouth with duct tape, tied her hands, then carried her down to the basement, on his way down ,he placed the ransom letter on the stairs, the killer really needed the money ,that was his intention.The reason why the killer did't leave the house and stayed in the basement with Jonbent is because he wanted to know if the parents are really going to call the police or not.When the mother ignored the warnings in the letter and called the police ,the killer heared her and killed the child immediatly then escaped through the basement window, the same window he used to enter the house.The detectives found multiple DNA samples on Jonbenet's clothes that belong to one unknow male, that's a strong evidence and more than enough to let you know that the killer is not from the same family, also the theory that the parents asked the help from another person to do it ,I find it very weak, the father literally spent his whole life and a fortune to find his daughter's murderer.May her soul rest in peace.

[@nbenefiel]

I don’t think the killer wanted money. He never even called for the ransom. I think the guy was a pedophile and obsessed with JonBenet.

[@ritagichuru9783]

My thoughts too. I think it was their pilot who was very close to the family.

[@NickPalmer-379]

The parents got away with murder..

[@Dave2170]

I hope the police find a DNA match for her killer.

[@kellyjacquin715]

There is not a complete DNA profile, so there will never be a match. This is not a DNA case.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@kellyjacquin715 Wrong. Cee Cee Moore, Parabon Chief Genetic Genealogist DNA expert at Nanolabs; a Virginia-based DNA tech firm, claims she has access to cutting edge technology that could potentially solve the JonBenet Ramsey cold case within hours. The Ramsey family, as well as the late Detective Lou Smit's family (who have offered to pay for testing through GoFundMe donations), has petitioned the Boulder Police Department to allow an independent agency to run testing. One has to certainly ask themselves why BPD has refused advanced DNA testing to be performed, as well as all offers to help solve this cold case. #factsmatter

[@queenviber]

I think the brother did it because he was smiling during the interview and he didn’t speak about her much

[@hayleyferguson3346]

A normal sibling would be really upset if his sister was harmed or murdered. Not joking and smiling.

[@lynnelimehouse9128]

He was smiling so much it looked like he was stifling laughter 😒

[@queenviber]

@@lynnelimehouse9128 fr

[@bethryan9077]

You need to watch more true crime shows, there are Lots of people who smile & laugh when talking about their deceased loved one, just as Loads of people do in relation to a death under usual circumstances.

[@bethryan9077]

omg deary, it was 20 fkn Years down the track. BTW - that is just how some people Are & then there's the fact that his eyes were so wide open & his mouth too as if smiling, so He Didn't Cry. I can just imagine what you Victim Bashers would be screaming about if he Did sit there blubbering. Geez. @@hayleyferguson3346

[@lucyvaleriegraham218]

if it wasn't for that ransom note, one could almost believe it was an intruder. but no intruder would ever write a note like that, once in the house. it's a totally ludicrous idea. the questions are just what happened, and how it happened, and who did what. but the only people who would know that are the family who were in it at the time.

[@bethryan9077]

Glenn Meyer took the notepad when he conned his way into their house on the evening of the 23rd, when the kids & friends Xmas party was in progress, simple as That. The marker belonged to him. Two of his cohorts had broken into the house Before, that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. This was a very, Very well Planned crime by neighbours, for quick available cash, that turned into a revenge crime against John. They sure didn't go to so much trouble & take such high risks for nothing, the taking of photos was their back-up for money.

[@nbenefiel]

If you bothered to read the depositions of the experts who studied the ransom note, you would know Patsy did not write it.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@bethryan9077 What photos?

[@bethryan9077]

@@darkhorse9472 Photos of JB, that's why the 2 white fluffy blankets, floor & background. The Barbie dress that was taken off her doll & then placed standing facing a window in the playroom upstairs, just one of their ideas of fun things to do. Her vanity case was found in the basement, as shown in the cops' video walk-thru footage.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@bethryan9077 I've never read anything anywhere about a Barbie doll dress taken off and then placed standing facing a window. Can you tell me where you read that, and where was the doll's dress found, or was it missing?

[@chillbeats4296]

This is pretty suspicious the parents almost 100% did it, probably as a team

[@bencarter7839]

Motive?

[@chillbeats4296]

@@bencarter7839 Idk, perversion, malice, she was about to talk about some abuse, etc. could be anything the point is it's damn near impossible that they didn't find their missing daughter while she was dead in the house

[@bencarter7839]

@@chillbeats4296 Well, first of all, they did find their missing daughter in the house, and secondly, why would you do an exhaustive search of your house if a ransom note in the house stated that your daughter was abducted ?

[@StellaAdler_]

These pageants are very disturbing & I hope they stopped them.

[@anovosedlik]

AGREED! This whole culture of sexualizing children is GROSS. I went through it and it messed me up. It must be outlawed.

[@marylarson1874]

I’ve heard this story many times. But hearing it from patsy something struck me as odd. Whoever wrote that letter knew patsy came down that particular set of stairs first thing in the morning. And, they had to know which bedroom Jon Benet slept in. Odd.

[@hayleyferguson3346]

Yes, an "intruder" from a "foreign faction" risked going upstairs to get caught and somehow knew the girl's exact bedroom in a huge mansion. Right....

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@hayleyferguson3346 Linda Pugh, the housekeeper knew all that and she had accomplices whom she informed of all of the ways they could try to implicate the Ramsey's. She wanted to get the valuables out of the safe in the basement in the same room where they eventually found JB. She discovered that in-floor safe when the Pugh's had complete run of the house while doing work for the Ramsey's who were in NYC on a Christmas shopping spree. It was in the floor under the boxes of artificial trees that they were told to take up to the individual rooms upstairs for Christmas decoration. The BPD found identical pens and pads of paper at the Pugh's the day of the murder. They also found black duct tape which the Ramsey's did not have, white cord wrapped around a stick and rope similar to the rope in the guest room at the Ramsey's found in a bag. The Ramsey's did not have any of those things except the paper and pens.

[@kellyeverett]

@@hayleyferguson3346- I mean they did have a lot of people in and out of their house during their holiday parties.. also their home was televised to the public

[@bethryan9077]

Like soo many others, you can't possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage, because this very, Very well Planned crime hasn't been a script for your one hour made up TV shows, that tell ya the ending. BTW that was a 3 storey mansion Plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The parent's bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. The perps had broken in before. Simple. @@hayleyferguson3346

[@bethryan9077]

@FAKOKTA There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side. The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone. A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink. The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory. They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report.

[@michellegomes2030]

Nobody can convince me that it wasn’t her parents. Sorry

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Sorry you will never convince me that Patsy was stupid enough to use John's bonus amount as ransom

[@nbenefiel]

Nobody can convince me that the moon isn’t made of blue cheese.

[@davemichael6550]

dna was from clothing factory workers. do more research. parents 1000% killed the little girl@@bethryan9077

[@stevnated]

Wow, I hope you never get jury duty.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

To think in 1996 she was 6 yrs old, today she would be almost 32-33 yrs old. 😢 So sad.😢

[@christynorman7288]

28 years old

[@MercerMercer-w1u]

@@christynorman7288do you your math I’m 28 born in 96

[@rmiddlehouse]

The note is, plain as day, written by Patsy

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@DebraHarrison-b2x]

@rmiddlehouse That plain as day has never been proven.

[@smakkdat]

In interviews Patsy has a heavy burdened look in her eyes. It’s more than just grief, there’s a burdened heaviness. I think she knows what happened.

[@comparedtowhat2719]

@@bethryan9077 I believe the mother, PATSY RAMSEY, wrote the ransom letter.

[@bethryan9077]

@@comparedtowhat2719 Nobody cares what you Highly ignorant Ramsey bashers Think. BTW - what part pf Exonerated do you Not understand?

[@SportscadiaProductions]

I’m not saying Burke did it but he didn’t do himself any favors with his body language during that Dr. Phil interview all the excess smiling and chuckling

[@nbenefiel]

Nervous people often giggle. No nine year old committed that murder.

[@SportscadiaProductions]

@@nbenefiel i understand I’m just saying it’s a bad look especially if you’re trying to clear your name

[@nbenefiel]

The DrPhil,interview was 20 years later. Burke was cleared in 1997.

[@starlightevenstar1827]

Yeah I 100% think like others that the parents/brother did it. What’s with the dad smirking, as if they didn’t check the basement etc straight away…so many weird things. They sounded abusive, poor baby girl I wish someone could’ve protected her, a job her parents failed to do, she didn’t deserve that. Rest in peace sweet angel.

[@Hvrtjff]

I feel so sorry for the father, who had also lost another daughter in a car accident. Some people have very sad and unfortunate lives.

[@micenabled9418]

I think he is guilty the killer says they are watching you then they show up on CNN days after the killing makes no sense

[@IhaveMy0pinion]

All evidence leads to John. I believe I know what happened and everything leads to John. It's the whole picture you have to look at not just bits here and there. I've emailed Colorado police and Bolder press with what I believed happened from the facts. Patsy and Burke had no knowledge.

[@deneshbhaskar]

ohn cut the brakes in the first daughter and he strangled jonbonet...

[@bethryan9077]

@@deneshbhaskar It must be great Fun to make up blatant lies about this whole family hey.

[@styleofthecitytv8576]

Patsy wrote the note, covered up either accident or something else

[@annemariedevonald1616]

I feel sorry for this family. Don’t think they did anything but lose their child under horrific circumstances. That male DNA on her show they didn’t do it. Police had a focus on proving the parents were guilty and didn’t focus enough on other leads. So sad.

[@OoxB505]

Male DNA was shown to be from a factory worker who made the underwear. Doesn’t clear the family at all.

[@NickPalmer-379]

You really believe an intruder broke in leaving not even the first foot print or sign of entry, wrote a practice ransom note on patsy’s note pad then re-wrote a 3 page note on the same pad. Then went upstairs beat, strangled, and sexually assaulted jonbennet, then carried her to the basement? this person would have to be outside of their mind (mentally unstable) and a mentally unstable people aren’t meticulous or careful enough to enter a home like that and be completely undetected and leave not the first trace of evidence. The male dna found on her was just an unfortunate coincidence and doesn’t exonerate the parents at all.. i firmly believe they had been planning it for months before it happened. And i FIRMLY believe that they 100% beyond the shadow of any doubt got away with savagely, callously, and cowardly murdering their daughter.

[@darkhorse9472]

Evidence shows no urine stains on her sheets that night, so she did not wet her bed. The blow to JonBenet's head came LAST. Tiny fingernail scratch marks on her neck prove she was alive and fighting to remove the garrote from her neck. If the severe blow to her head came first, it would have knocked her out/killed her and she would be unable to struggle to remove the garrote. John Ramsey does not look like the 'Ice King' in the Larry King interview. He looks very devastated, distraught and sedated. Burke's voice was not on the 911 tape. Patsy Ramsey used a wall phone to call 911, she then hung up and called friends for support. If she hand not 'hung up properly', the phone would have fallen to the floor. You can hear the 911 operator say, "Patsy? Patsy? Patsy?" The 911 operator still had the line open, those were noises from 911 office, not from the Ramsey home. Burke, who was only 9 yrs old at the time, has never been considered a suspect by ANY law officer.

[@lindamon5101]

Steve Dieckhoff did it. Rock climber chess master movie buff odd job carpenter in the Ramseyhood who knew they never locked their doors& that he STAGED IT DURING THEIR CHRISTMAS OPEN HOUSE

[@RedGarnett-n2p]

​@@lindamon5101that's a very good possibility I know that the parents never did it

[@darkhorse9472]

@@lindamon5101 The Christmas tour was December 3, 1994. JonBenet was murdered December 1996.

[@JoseZamorano-c8h]

@@darkhorse9472fake Ramsey operated account

[@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji]

Could have cased the house 😮

[@marianildamaia846]

The most important for this father is to know where she is and one day he will see her again!This world is not our home,we just passing through it!😢❤❤❤🙏😍

[@Dwizzle77]

Bro what are you talking about

[@annwilson9712]

The way they dress these kids up is wrong

[@anovosedlik]

HARD agree. They did that stuff to me when I was a kid. I HATED it. I went through a tomboy phase at 11 just to get away from being sexualized as a little kid. And now, in retrospect, I've finally understood a lot of inappropriate stuff that happened to me that, at the time, I didn't know was inappropriate. Those scars stay with you for life.

[@CraigEllerbe-z3m]

This story gives me the chills everytime

[@bslomof-1901]

It does me.

[@iMbetterthanyouuu1]

The explanation of her death date on her tombstone makes absolutely no sense and burks interview was oddly Suspicious with that lip tuck he did at the end

[@bethryan9077]

If they had put the 26th, you kids would spout Exactly the same Crap about that date. Oh deary me, let's all Judge every single nuance of every single person who has the Guts to be interviewed 20 years later when accused of their siblings murder due a bunch of A##wipes putting out a Bogus TV show under the production title of CBS.

[@jerseygirl07105]

Parents speak to attorneys first. Then days after to officers. Had friends come over and ruined the crime scene. Pad was from inside the house. Pages long? Get real people. Karma got her, (mommy)and daddy looks the other way. Let’s not forget he lost another child from a car accident. Money buys innocence. Perfect example here.

[@bethryan9077]

So, according to Your 3 brain cells - John paid off about 20 police & also many homicide detectives, 3 DAs & assistant DAs from more than one jurisdiction & then Michael Dougherty, multiple seasoned investigators, the best criminal profiler in the country, one of the best homicide investigators in the country, at least one Federal Court Judge, many top forensic & DNA scientists from several labs over a span of 26 years, many expert crime scene techs, top forensic pathologists, now CeCe Moore, JB's paediatrician, FBI agents including those in charge of CODIS, Paula Woodward plus many other investigative journalists, lots of friends & acquaintances including neighbours, work colleagues, at least 2 Secret Service agents, 4 renowned private writing analysts, 3 of The best lie detector experts in the country, both of their pilots, many of their neighbours, plus the innumerable high cost attorneys in charge of multiple litigation cases as well as the first high cost attorneys who took charge of the representations for himself & Patsy & many of the family in relation to a number of reasons & that's just off the top of my head. REALLY? Just go back to Sleep.

[@Dwizzle77]

“Karma got her”?

[@Earth098]

Why were the parents reluctant to give an interview to police?

[@mookiepookie444]

from day one when they spent the entire day speaking with police in their home.

[@inetpathfinder5767]

‼️Spider webs were still on the window - untouched. Now one could climb in and out of the window without breaking spider webs.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

That was obviously staged by the parents.

[@nbenefiel]

Lou Smit climbed in and out of that window without disturbing the cobwebs. The kitchen door was jimmied. The killer could have entered there.

[@inetpathfinder5767]

@@nbenefiel it’s impossible, unless you’re a Spider-Man

[@bethryan9077]

@@inetpathfinder5767 Deary, the only web of any note, was the one in the Corner down the bottom. The photos shown on soo many False information videos are the ones that are Enhanced just to make it look bigger for no other reason than to make sure the highly Ignorant Ramsey bashers have extra fodder to squawk about. Access the cops' video walk-thru footage, it's hardly noticeable until the cop zooms in on it.

[@bethryan9077]

@@inetpathfinder5767 That web was small & in the corner at the bottom of the window, one would not have even noticed it except the cop who went back that night zoomed in with his video camera so it looks Much bigger. Lots of a##wipe content creators show the blown up photo version. The perps got in through the kitchen/back doors anyway. BTW - the cops didn't even know about that opened window til that night because no cop went through the train room door that morning, nor the cellar door. Yet two cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points early that morning, at different times. Another was down there taking photos, he too failed to open those doors in the basement.

[@Canuckchick32]

I got a strange feeling that big brother Burke had something to do with his sisters murder! 😱

[@redfightblue]

IMO he killed her by accident and the family covered it up with an elaborate "intruder" excuse to point the blame elsewhere.

[@annabelleproductionsofficial]

@@redfightblue The Burke theory makes no sense. I think an intruder did it due to majority of the evidence pointing to an intruder, but even the theory that John or Patsy killed her makes more sense then Burke. The strangulation came first. There were marks on her neck that matched perfectly with her fingernails and showed that she tried to pull the rope away from her neck and try to save her own life. If the head injury came first, she would not have been able to do this. She would have been unconscious. If she somehow had any consciousness, she would have been in too much pain to move and wouldn't have had the strength to try and pull the rope away from her neck. Nine year olds are strong, but not strong enough to strangle her like how she was strangled, so there's no way he could have strangled her either. She was strangled by a grown man. The DNA also ruled out the entire family. It was found on her underwear, pajama pants, under her nails, and on other pieces of evidence that haven't been released yet. The DNA couldn't have come from a manufacturer because it was washed multiple times, were not from the same manufacturer, and were under her nails and on other pieces of unreleased evidence. There's no other way for the DNA to get there other than an intruder. There was also the unidentified hand print on the doorknob on the door left a jar by the basement cell grate and the unidentified palm print left by her body. The basement cell grate was disturbed, the window under it was opened with a scuff mark on the wall, and a suitcase was below the window with broken glass from the window on top of it. On the suitcase was a Hi-Tec footprint, and another also found by her body. The Ramseys did not own a stun-gun Fibers from the pajamas she wore that night and her hair were found inside that suitcase, which means she was in there sometime that night and was possibly almost transported outside of the house that night. She had stun-gun marks on her body too, and the Ramseys did not own a stun-gun. The rope used to strangle her was not found in the house, and neither was the duct tape that was on her mouth. On the duct tape on her mouth, there was fur from a beaver, and the Ramseys did not have any beaver fur in the house. The ransom note's handwriting also did not match Patsy or John's. Many people think Patsy's handwriting is very similar to the ransom note's, but the note had mistakes that couldn't be faked that did not match mistakes in Patsy's handwriting, meaning she couldn't have written it. I hope all of this changed your opinion on Burke and the Ramseys being guilty!

[@bethryan9077]

@@redfightblue To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.

[@onesunnyday5699]

John contaminated the entire thing.

[@gloriaorth4628]

I honestly believe that we will never know what happened to JonBenet. To say that this case and investigation was a cock up is an understatement . 🙄 RIP lil angel 😢

[@davemichael6550]

we do know though. The parents 1000% killed their daughter.

[@crystalhawthorne8241]

That 118 , 000 always gets me , always .

[@kellyjacquin715]

His bonus was more important than his family.

[@hsk2909]

That entire ransom note gets me every time.

[@lindamon5101]

That is why he wrote the note. Its called a gaslight& is meant to CONFUSE YOU. Do you think a pedophile is going to leave a note saying i took your kid and i want your bonus? The gaslit note is a verbal slap in the face to everyone... the bpd kbi hollywood the media the family& the masses. It was all staged by the climber. SBTC. STAGED BY THE CLIMBER. climbing magazines very own steve dieckhoff did it.

[@crystalhawthorne8241]

@@hsk2909 , being in a rush trying to cover your tracks all the while leaving more evidence at the same time . Incredible . 118 thousand dollars is such a weird amount , it pinned points directly to them . There was never any intruder . Despicable .

[@Shay_TheUnpopularOpinion_]

I know right?! I just left a comment on this channel about how ridiculous that is… if the ransom note had been written by an intruder you would think he would bring up how eerie it was that someone knew how much money he made. He never once mentions that!

[@Ugditditditd]

I think an accident happened. I think Burke and John covered it up, and the mom never knew. Nothing about this case makes sense as if it were set up to be that way on purpose. Patsy is so drugged or out of it during the initial interviews, and you can see john really trying to coach her on what to say/do. He totally took control of the situation. There's sooooo much to this case that doesn't get covered in this episode. Im from boulder, and nothing like this has ever happened here or in Colorado since then.

[@ioeee7563]

Even with the sound off, I can tell her mom is in some way involved.

[@Zenlife1132]

I agree

[@bethryan9077]

@@Zenlife1132 Yeah for all you victim annihilators John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is. . If the public knew Everything that these vilest of sociopaths Really did to this little 6 year old Child & all that they did to her went on for Hours, plus everything that they did in that house, You the public would - Freak the hell out. It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.

[@bethryan9077]

@@Zenlife1132 Yeah for all you victim annihilators John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is.

[@nbenefiel]

You guys don’t know beans. Read the evidence.

[@jaeljade3609]

I was hoping for something new here.

[@lunabee9606]

I lived in Boulder when this happened. Boulder PD botched the case and never gave the parents a chance. They decided that day it was the parents. The parents were smart to get a lawyer bc Boulder PD would made sure they were charged!!!

[@Native722]

The parents were involved

[@anchorpoint3631]

OJ did it

[@smnvo1129]

The Ramsey had money and power in that town, so the case went unsolved.

[@bethryan9077]

So, according to Your 3 brain cells - John paid off about 20 police & also many homicide detectives, 3 DAs & assistant DAs from more than one jurisdiction & then Michael Dougherty, multiple seasoned investigators, the best criminal profiler in the country, one of the best homicide investigators in the country, at least one Federal Court Judge, many top forensic & DNA scientists from several labs over a span of 26 years, many expert crime scene techs, top forensic pathologists, now CeCe Moore, JB's paediatrician, FBI agents including those in charge of CODIS, Paula Woodward plus many other investigative journalists, lots of friends & acquaintances including neighbours, work colleagues, at least 2 Secret Service agents, 4 renowned private writing analysts, 3 of The best lie detector experts in the country, both of their pilots, many of their neighbours, plus the innumerable high cost attorneys in charge of multiple litigation cases as well as the first high cost attorneys who took charge of the representations for himself & Patsy & many of the family in relation to a number of reasons & that's just off the top of my head. REALLY? Just go back to Sleep.

[@lakishaross3187]

Their is dna evidence and a similar case 5 minutes from their house

[@DikaWolf]

@@lakishaross3187 And it should be mentioned that the DNA evidence didn't match any of the Ramseys.

[@PeebzAviation]

@@DikaWolfyeah but it was proved that dna can come from the clothes manufacturing so that doesn’t really mean anything

[@Fiercedancers1]

@@DikaWolf money can cover up anything

[@johnscustomsaws]

So we are supposed to believe an "intruder" entered the house and took her out of her bed with the intent to kidnap her for ransom money... but didn't bring a not or even a pen and paper... found a notepad and wrote a novel of a ransom note with a pen also found in the house... then killed her with a garrote made from a paint brush also found in the home... then left her in the house but still left a note apparently hoping they wouldn't find her (hard to get paid when you have no bargaining chip)... and in the hours it took to do all of this never woke anyone up or was worried anyone would awake for a midnight snack perhaps pineapple... and this "small foreign faction" also knew the exact amount of Johns bonus from work 118,000 dollars??? Cmon really??? VICTORY!!! SBTC

[@topoisomerace]

Yes, everything comes back to the note. It strongly suggests the immediate family knows what happened.

[@bethryan9077]

There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side. The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone. A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink. The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory. They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report. You kids can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the beginning, the middle & the end. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many other Ignorant Ramsey bashers, True crime is clearly Way over your head, as it was for Many keystone cops who Pretended they were working this case.

[@jacekpaszkowski2000]

You make the most sensical argument. Nobody who just committed a murder is hanging out in a random house writing an essay length ransom note, maybe they even proofread it.

[@bethryan9077]

@@jacekpaszkowski2000 Yeah for all you victim annihilators John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is.

[@nbenefiel]

@@jacekpaszkowski2000 look at the photos of the ransom note. It’s not that long. It’s written on note pad paper.

[@thewatcher62]

I really think Burke is the one heavily injured his sister then the mother did end her because she couldn’t have all 2 children take away from her so 1 is enough. They’re all so relaxed after the case because they’re trying to play the innocent card so hard, while true victim would cried, lost their mind and corporate with the police to find the perpetrators. This family did the opposite.

[@feliciamason8112]

We are in the same boat.

[@redfightblue]

She died by accident in the home, probably while playing with her brother. The parents covered it up to save the boy from a harder life. After she was gone, the parents focused on saving their son. A similar thing happened in the Casey Anthony trial. An accident that got covered up by the family. They didn't want to face the fact that they allowed the accident to happen. So they invented an elaborate excuse.

[@trenawawrzyniak4397]

I still think JB was killed by her brother and I think Patsy wrote the note to protect her living remaining child. I also think the brother was abusive to his sister. There were reports of the brother smearing his faces on her bed and things that belonged to her. Hopefully one day the truth will come to light.

[@Tomboyy9818]

Feces*

[@trenawawrzyniak4397]

@@Tomboyy9818 spell check ,speak to text. I didn't proofread.

[@bethryan9077]

To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.

[@annabelleproductionsofficial]

The Burke theory makes no sense. I think an intruder did it due to majority of the evidence pointing to an intruder, but even the theory that John or Patsy killed her makes more sense then Burke. The strangulation came first. There were marks on her neck that matched perfectly with her fingernails and showed that she tried to pull the rope away from her neck and try to save her own life. If the head injury came first, she would not have been able to do this. She would have been unconscious. If she somehow had any consciousness, she would have been in too much pain to move and wouldn't have had the strength to try and pull the rope away from her neck. Nine year olds are strong, but not strong enough to strangle her like how she was strangled, so there's no way he could have strangled her either. She was strangled by a grown man. The DNA also ruled out the entire family. It was found on her underwear, pajama pants, under her nails, and on other pieces of evidence that haven't been released yet. The DNA couldn't have come from a manufacturer because it was washed multiple times, were not from the same manufacturer, and were under her nails and on other pieces of unreleased evidence. There's no other way for the DNA to get there other than an intruder. There was also the unidentified hand print on the doorknob on the door left a jar by the basement cell grate and the unidentified palm print left by her body. The basement cell grate was disturbed, the window under it was opened with a scuff mark on the wall, and a suitcase was below the window with broken glass from the window on top of it. On the suitcase was a Hi-Tec footprint, and another also found by her body. The Ramseys did not own a stun-gun Fibers from the pajamas she wore that night and her hair were found inside that suitcase, which means she was in there sometime that night and was possibly almost transported outside of the house that night. She had stun-gun marks on her body too, and the Ramseys did not own a stun-gun. The rope used to strangle her was not found in the house, and neither was the duct tape that was on her mouth. On the duct tape on her mouth, there was fur from a beaver, and the Ramseys did not have any beaver fur in the house. The ransom note's handwriting also did not match Patsy or John's. Many people think Patsy's handwriting is very similar to the ransom note's, but the note had mistakes that couldn't be faked that did not match mistakes in Patsy's handwriting, meaning she couldn't have written it. I hope all of this changed your opinion on Burke and the Ramseys being guilty!

[@MaiGonzalez-dl7ji]

What still bothers me is that when her father had found her body in a blanket it ruined the whole evidence..if he hadn’t picked her up and lay her down on the floor they would have picked up DNA

[@bencarter7839]

They did find DNA.

[@MaiGonzalez-dl7ji]

@@bencarter7839 still tho he shouldn’t have picked her up in the blanket it ruined the whole evidence.

[@bencarter7839]

@@MaiGonzalez-dl7ji They actually announced that they are retesting the DNA soon.

[@yandaliz78]

Usually sadistic killers dont cover up with a sheet the person they just killed and random killers dont leave behind fake ransom notes

[@memarod446]

Her parents are the guilty ones. I am a mother of four and lived by myself, and there is no way I check on them .and on Christmas holidays, that is hard to believe.

[@davidday8417]

This is so sad who would torture a precious little girl possibly sexually abusing her,this little girl was made up to look like much older then she was,this little girl never had a chance to be a little girl,it’s a shame this little girl was murdered !! Wonder if they could put the DNA in a national database like Koddis and see if they could get a hit !! This little girl deserves justice !!

[@christynorman7288]

Burke wouldn't be in Koddis yet as a child of none at the time

[@christynorman7288]

Codis they did put it on there in the end. FBI 🇬🇧

[@bethryan9077]

@@christynorman7288 All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago, the full of the same old BS fooltube shows keep coming for all you Highly ignorant Ramsey bashers to get off on.

[@bethryan9077]

@@christynorman7288 Stop making up more stupidass Lies. That kid did Nothing wrong deary & all Ramseys were Exonerated so Stop posting your twisted fantasies. .

[@bethryan9077]

​@@christynorman7288 Stop with more & more Pathetic LIES, the FBI did Not put Burke's DNA in the national database & listen up lovey, he was Never even a suspect. Next - all Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago so how do you feel now stupid?

[@reneesmith9731]

the peopel in the house killed her

[@eileenmiller4685]

Haven't finished watching this yet, but from the comments, I assume they didn't mention that DNA evidence excluded the family as suspects a few years ago. Wish the police would use genetic genealogy to give this case a better chance at finally finding closure. That's been used in the past few years to solve crimes much older than this one.

[@vicksta8875]

SO THEY SAY!!! Whos DNA was ALL OVER JB?? MOMMY AND DADDY.... Touch DNA was all over her, due to the fact they picked her up, lay her on a floor, then covered her with a blanket full of DNA cells.. Please... THIS IS A COVERUP! JB Was SEXUALLY ABUSED PRIOR TO HER DEATH/ONGOING.... ☝️ THE END...

[@sarah5893]

You're right DNA did indeed exclude all three family members

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

No it didn't, it couldn't. It was trace amounts of DNA which renders them basically meaningless. They could be from anyone and anywhere, 6 year old girls come into contact with all kinds of things and people. It could be second-hand DNA from the girl touching her own PJ bottoms/privates after touching a man. Fibres from Patsy's jumper were found on the duct tape used as a gag. Everything used for the crime was from inside the house, the paint brush, the duct tape, the pen knife, the torch, the stationery. It was so obviously the parents.

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

JonBenet is Caroline McAuliff. She, myself and Scott were kidnapped by Diane Downs. Mike Johnston, the mayor of Denver, is Diane Downs son. He was aware of it all. Nobody had lived in the Ramsey home for years. Dennis Harbour of Springfield, Oregon, is John Ramsey. John and Patsy Ramsey are Jim and Renee Edwards. How was Burke a child at Christmas and an adult at her funeral? Why are her dresses from the 80's in her performance? AND WHY HAVE THEY LET THE 2 TEDS BUNDY/ZALINSKY MAKE THEATER OF HER GRAVE?

[@racheldrayer-isborn2759]

DNA was only done against violent criminals. NOT THE ENTIRE DATABASE.

[@elizabethgalligan1805]

"People don't like rich people" ......He really isnt coming actoss very well here . 😠

[@CharlottaX]

how these people can continue being presumed innocent, it is disgraceful! John is a bad liar