The Mysterious Disappearance of DeOrr Kunz Jr | (Mini-Documentary)

This episode looks at the mysterious disappearance of DeOrr Kunz Jr,. In this video, we’ll explore the possible theories as to what happened to this young boy.
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[@Angel-mr1mi]

The mother got remarried after 8 months of that precious little one's disappearance. I wouldn't be able to think about relationships while my baby is missing. I wouldn't be able to go on with life period. He's not even my child and I was crying harder then they were. Poor baby.

[@Cowgirlfrom_Hell]

I know right. As a mom it breaks my heart.

[@Wearespurstv]

In one of her interviews she was complaining about how they had to spend their own money to look for their child. No real mother would complain about having to do that. The grandpa and his friend are a good place to start.

[@Misslynndance]

Collectively, they have 1 1/2 brain cells and even that is a stretch...she'll probably have 2/3 more marriages to additional epic losers. The whole scenario is straight insanity starting with naming your child "De Orr" Dear. God. Poor thing was adorable.

[@saddam6059]

My two weeks old baby passed away back in 2010 and till now My life has been upside down,suffering from severe depression. I can’t believe this mom went on with her life as if nothing has happened. Soulless.

[@enedinameza8459]

I agree Angel. Only a true mother would feel.

[@magical8013]

I love the way your doing these videos. Especially the one's about missing people ....and murders. Definitely one of my favorite channels. I'm glad you started posting again.

[@gloriajean895]

There is a medium, who works sometimes with law enforcement. She said both, parents sold him! Her family knows too! He is still alive. I hope they arrest them soon!! This beautiful little boy, was sold for money!

[@cazpk6840]

Parents bringing children out to secluded places when so many dangers exist are irresponsible to begin with.

[@Andy-xl9gz]

I agree it's too early he was so young r.i.p

[@feeney.4089]

The grand father laughing like that is creepy as fuck

[@andreawillingham8377]

He has dementia

[@CoreyG1450]

The grandfather definitely knows something

[@llisisalexander9916]

BIG FACT RIGHT HERE; For those who’s saying that the little kid wasn’t in the camp at all were all wrong, because the story tell at 2:34 that the boy was with his mom and dad in the store the next morning of camping, so it’s most likely someone saw the kid in the store and was infact alive at that time.

[@baby5968]

The cashier claimed they were alone, without a kid.

[@llisisalexander9916]

baby5968 really? Please tell me what documentary it is, so I could watch thanks

[@pdcmoreira]

All their versions of the story have one fundamental flaw: they would let their child alone with his grandfather who suffered from Alzheimer's and was breathing with the support of an oxygen tank. There is no way any sane person would leave a child alone in the woods with a person that is both mentally and physically limited. He was just their scapegoat. 🐐

[@TheREALExposingtheJoyofS-px3ri]

Pretty sound logic, and could be a likely possibility. The grandpa (judging by his interview) doesn't seem all there...

[@j.khuster2024]

Good point.

[@Wearespurstv]

His friend did it and the grandpa helped

[@anniexoxo1839]

Right

[@thehotnickles9458]

I can’t disagree.....

[@mihailiancu7680]

The body language of the parents is pretty suspicious... :/ Their inconsistencies dont help either.

[@unicornfluffbutt3276]

This is 5 months old but I will say, I had a relative with Alzheimer’s and she laughed at very inappropriate things that she would have never laughed at when she was in her right mind.

[@missj2045]

The father always seems like he's smirking. He makes too many excuses and is too focused on his innocence and not enough of his son. Face looks too calm. Mother looks like she is lying. She can't look at the camera. Also making excuses. Remarried in 8 months? Dad also skipped town. Hmmm. .

[@oldestsis3]

@@unicornfluffbutt3276 My father had Alzheimer’s also. I would never have left him in charge of a child, but hindsight is always 20/20. Because of my Father’s condition, his response to most things was inappropriate. Before Alzheimer’s he was a total gentleman, always knew what to say and how to act in all kinds of situations. Such a tragic disease.

[@SuperTonyony]

Look at their creepy friend, Isaac! I swear that guy's parents are siblings. I wouldn't trust him to keep a goldfish alive.

[@joelee6576]

I bet the baby was never even at the camp site. I think something happened before the trip and they decided the camping trip is a good alibi. That baby is probably along the way to the campsite or in his hometown.

[@Misslynndance]

Joelee exactly. Were there any pediatric records from visits prior to this?

[@daliakuwait]

But why Isaac then? Isaac would have told the police that the boy wasn't there. His story never changed.

[@aniyahporter7177]

@@daliakuwait Right

[@debbied.1682]

Does anyone know when the little boy was last seen by a credible witness? (not a family member)

[@godworden2768]

@@daliakuwait He could of been paid.

[@sethstine4698]

If your child is missing; you panic. One bar on the cell phone is enough. The fact that the father LEFT to "get better cell service" is so full of BS. You call 911! If you lose the signal, so be it, THEN drive down the road a little ways. But to not even try initially? The mom tried and was successful the very first time. The dad DEFINITELY left to dispose of the body. It's obvious...

[@mrsbeckyc29]

I live in Idaho, and everyone here knows his parents did something to him. They have been in several interviews, and they are always suspicious as hell.

[@luggss]

Becky Cooley omg 😮

[@Andy-xl9gz]

God almighty

[@sfletch3042]

I agree. I have thought that from the beginning.

[@nikrixxx6338]

What have they done to make people think they did something? Honestly not a single person can say what they would do in that situation. I work crime scene and I've seen many parents of missing children. Some are frantic, some are calm and or numb, some are angry and uncooperative. That's why DeOrr's parents haven't been arrested. You can't go off behavior alone. You can't go off their testimonies either. A parent's mind can go into a fog when their child is missing and they easily mix up information. And yes distancing language like "that boy" can be bc they're guilty. It can also be bc they are internally dealing with the possibility their son is dead. That's why I'm asking what they did to get crucified by your community

[@jewelz4217]

The parents do act oddly, but honestly I feel in my heart Issac did something to that baby.

[@happyhour4670]

I don't think he ever even made it to the camp ground honestly.

[@bettyleeable]

Agree

[@kohakuusagi]

I don't think he did either. In fact, I don't think he was even on the trip. Or he was and they harmed him at home and brought his little body to get rid of him and knew with the Alzheimer's grandpa and the Mentally limited friend, that they had an out and so brought them along.

[@angelahaugh2740]

People have been selling their children. It's sad but true. I think he was sold. They had money problems. She had given her other children up to their dad.

[@deancox1664]

There’s no way he was ever at the camp site, they supposedly were looking for the child within 15 minutes of the child going missing, police and search parties were there within the hour were nothing was found no clothing no blood (if he had been taken by a wild animal) surely something would have been found....Deorr was never there..... 😞 sad

[@shutup9224]

My theory: Deorr never made it to the campsite. I think they accidentally killed him and they obviously didn’t want to go to jail and they cover it up by disposing of his body somewhere completely far away from the campsite so he wouldn’t be found. Then, they decided to create a whole different story of what had actually happened. They went to that campsite and waited a few hours then called the police saying that Deorr had gone missing so police would search that area. Their stories are inconsistent, they failed the polygraph tests, the jacket which he supposedly had on when he went missing was found at their house, and the fact that the mother got married 8 months after the disappearance of her son acting like nothing happened. I know everyone reacts differently, but if I was the mother of the kid I would still have hope that he’s alive and be more busy trying to find him rather than wasting my time trying to find someone to marry.

[@lynnmaus9339]

They said there was blood found on the vehicle tire. He could have accidentally been run over.

[@lesmorris10]

Wonder what kind of man would be attracted to a woman like that?

[@jasonsears6879]

Alot of people are saying Klein, the P.I. who reported both of these scenarios, isn't in the least credible. He could be saying this, out of retaliation for being fired by the family

[@enderthexenocide760]

@@lynnmaus9339 If blood was found they would have analyzed it to see if it was Deorr's. 7 years later there are still no arrests so that piece of information is likely false.

[@kelliemacgregor3833]

Could be that there was small trace of his blood. This may not be enough and could be easily explained why it was there. It's difficult to convict without a body especially after the Anthony Casey case.

[@blackcheeto321]

These videos are so good, like it should be a tv show that would be on Netflix.

[@Cpt_Coochie]

Black Cheeto love the series, but I feel like netflix standards for shows are super low. like footage of people farting could get a show on netflix.

[@pdcmoreira]

@@Cpt_Coochie Sure, but Netflix's documentaries and docu-series are very good!

[@Potato-ju9hx]

I just watch the intro OMG THIS IS SO GOOD

[@poogyaustin8208]

Its already a tv show where is. Baby deorr

[@Evelyn04z]

There's a series already on netflix called unsolved cases or something like that

[@originalgamer4002]

This channel posts really high quality videos. Whenever I see an upload I am sure it's good.

[@rokasjasulatis5851]

I agree

[@NeusMische1]

They shoudve checked the general stores CCTV to see if the little kid was really with them at the campsite.

[@sfletch3042]

Of course they did that. Trust me, anything you can think of the investigators who do this for a living also thought of.

[@michaelturner6358]

It didn’t have one, and if it did law enforcement would’ve been on it

[@jasonsears6879]

In a small, no population town, I doubt they had cameras at a small store in the mountains

[@danger_zne4819]

I'd be interested to know if they found any dirty diapers at the campsite/trash. Even a potty trained, a child that young would likely have been in a diaper or pull-up for the very long drive to camp to prevent an accident in the car seat. I firmly believe he never made it to the campsite.

[@kirstywright5228]

I believe he did, just not alive.

[@saramonson990]

I was just wondering the same thing. Where are the soiled diapers, wipes, etc.

[@i_luv_hecklefish]

Yes, and pull-ups at night.

[@aliyaanderson]

The boy was seen on video surveillance that morning at a store close to campsite.

[@alexhansen7965]

The sheriff said there was a dirty diaper in a bag tied to a tree at the campground.

[@michiganwifey99]

If they found this poor baby's coat (that he was supposed to be wearing) at the house, I'm leaning towards they did something at home. But dad's walking back to gpa story and lying at first doesn't make sense, either. Confused.

[@angelnix6114]

It’s because they didn’t get their stories straight he had to change his story because Jessica or Isaac said something different. I believe an accident happened at home, in one video I seen blood was found on their truck ties I think he was accidentally backed over poor baby. The camping trip was a coverup !

[@stayhappy8213]

@@angelnix6114 I think that may be the case. Something happened and they needed a story. So sad.

[@jameshendry3797]

foul play and DeOrr never made it to the campsite

[@RealSuper17]

This series is so under appreciated. I really hope this series doesn’t die because I very much do enjoy watching these videos. {( I enjoy watching the genre of the video, just to clarify :)}

[@aamina-ahmed]

Yeah. Though it kinda feels unsettling to say one's "enjoying" these videos

[@RealSuper17]

I guess I did word this incorrectly. I obviously don’t enjoy the fact that an infant went missing. I just love videos with the suspenseful and investigative genre.

[@luggss]

Viprinson me too, the video was so useful to practice my English 👌🏻

[@aamina-ahmed]

@@RealSuper17 I know what mean and same

[@cassandraharris442]

They have over 800k, I think that is pretty good for a true crime channel 😍

[@vasilije94]

Imagine you lose a 2 year old child and in 8 months you found another man and you are getting married already.... Like wtf? No normal person would do that. It's that simple... I can tell you one thing, all of them are involved. Doesn't matter who did the deed, but all of them should be in prison...

[@spookshow6999]

They would start talking then.

[@everinehogans2416]

Not grandpa

[@jasonsears6879]

Gotta have evidence before locking people away. No evidence was found

[@georgeadams6254]

Neglect seems the most likely reason, in my opinion. Either at the campsite or before they took a trip out there as to cover up something that happened at home.

[@alycejunker]

At about 0:08, the picture of DeOrr and his mom made me IMMEDIATELY suspect her. They way she is looking at him isn't very loving. Also, you are SO good at these videos. They are so concise (videos around 15min are perfect), your narration is soothing and clear, everything is just perfect about these videos. Well, except of course the mystery not being solved...do you do update videos about any solved mysteries that you have covered? I JUST discovered and subscribed to you and have had a chance to weed through all your videos yet.

[@JH-cf9nn]

Really you can tell all that from a picture one picture.

[@sinahaase9923]

Not a good cover for this story no. She edited out the grandfathers interview. The laugh was about the parents cuz they were trying to pin him for this and say he was watching the child when he supposedly went missing which was a lie. I was disappointed by the coverage of his interviews and the “family friend”’s interview. Both are innocent in this and this video points to them too much without the truth from other interviews. The parents lied about everything. I feel so bad for that little boy

[@Tell_It_Right]

Mom knows what happened. Side note: Both the investigators that helped the family QUIT after they saw that the mom was somehow involved. Then, 7 mnths after this, the mom left the dad and married some random dude. Seriously? She knows what happened to her kid.

[@jasonsears6879]

Actually no, one was fired by the parents not long after. The other quit because he thought Deorrs' parents were being deceptive

[@karynsuepohlmeier2109]

The GGandpa's laugh is beyond disturbing....I believe he knows along with the parents. Poor little boy didn't stand a chance.

[@reyannawheeler9323]

They say the gpa has Alzheimer's so maybe that's why he laughing idk tho, this story is sad

[@rommy143]

I think sadly the grandfather is just mentally unwell - either Dementia or Alzheimer’s. He just doesn’t mentally comprehend the severity or seriousness of the situation.

[@hannah29237]

parents are definitely involved

[@gachanna6179]

Yeah

[@HackiePuffs]

I feel bad for the old guy having his condition be taken advantage of like this he must feel so guilty..

[@elinalukaziak693]

@@HackiePuffs I wouldn't feel sorry for him

[@absolutnadia]

They all seem like they were all involved in the baby’s disappearance. Poor baby boy , so adorable

[@angelahaugh2740]

This whole story is just so fishy. I never want to jump to blame the parents, but I can't get over how calm they both are. I would have to be institutionalized or I would have died out in those woods before I would ever stop looking for my baby! I could never go back to my normal life! This woman married 8 mths later...moved on from this like it was nothing!! Sumns off!!!

[@nikki_m7394]

Her remarrying, and the father moving away. How could you move to a different state if you believed your child could still be alive somewhere in Idaho?? Just doesn't sit right

[@eviehammond9509]

I'd still be out there searching for my kid. Apparently she actually started a new relationship with someone else after this & either got engaged or married. That would be the last thing on my mind had my child went missing, but that's just me. We all seal with highly stressful situations differently. After hearing all the ⁰facts though, I can't help but believe the family at the very least knows way more than they are saying.

[@eviehammond9509]

​@@nikki_m7394 I'd be in a haggard, weather torn tent still at that campsite looking. They'd have to physically remove me.

[@acanadianislandgirl1187]

she remarried 8mnths after the boy wrnt missing?!?

[@Alotta21]

- Our son is missing, and I have one bar on my phone, should I try to call 911 ASAP? - No, lets drive as far as possible from that place and hope we will find more bars!

[@rommy143]

This absolutely doesn’t make any sense. Neither does both parents calling 911 simultaneously. Wouldn’t it have made sense for dad to continue looking for the little boy in the surroundings while mom spoke with 911? Why drive off to call the police if your wife is with them on the phone?

[@SuperBoomshack]

I think the boy was never at the campsite. I believe he was killed either on purpose or by accident and the family is covering it up; the jacket and toys found at the apt later is so shady.

[@jlynn797]

I lived in Idaho Falls at the time this happened. I believe they either killed him or it was an underground adoption.

[@rachelcoloradomy3kidz778]

Ooo I never thought About that underground adoption theory! Why would they bring attention to themselves then?

[@dianabanana594]

Maybe more like sold into human trafficking not any type of adoption but I hope not

[@Vaga-Bard]

@@rachelcoloradomy3kidz778 because in time appointments and school and such will need to be attended. The attention would come anyway. They just took it all at once in this manner rather than calls and notices and such for a while until the issue gets to the forefront.

[@msaintjo]

Mom gets married 8 months after disappearance? Red Flag no doubt

[@shonwashington9774]

Wanted the baby gone. So she can start her new life/relationship kid free.

[@margaretconnery7422]

@@shonwashington9774 yeah just like Chris Watts

[@nickb1016]

The family did it 💯

[@karenlm9062]

I believe the last theory that the trip was a cover. I wonder if the country store has anyone that could state if they saw Deorr since he supposedly went on that trip. Can't imagine they would drive all the way back to town to buy tampons and candy and leave Deorr in the vehicle. Most little kids get candy because they come in to the store with the parents and ask for it. A two year old is not likely to make a request and stay in the car. If he got candy then he was in the store. Either a clerk or surveillance camera could vouch for this and solidify a time table. And who the hell meets another lover, divorces, dates them, gets engaged, married, and moves away within less than 8 months of Deorr's disappearance? And the father moves out of state in that same time? Jesus, both wanted to move on from this and put as much distance between themselves and that day. I said this in another post. I think the clues lie in the past and what was going on in the family that led up to this moment. Follow up with the OBGYN MD and the Pediatrician. Look at anything that produces a record. Receipts don't lie.

[@ofwolvesravens581]

I live in Idaho and heard a lot about this case. When the public kept telling the authorities that the parents had something to do with his disappearance, they told everyone to stop, that they weren't suspects but grieving parents. Then suddenly a year or so later, they were suddenly suspects. I did read that a cadaver dog found remains of a child in the area recently (could possibly be fake news) but I always thought the parents were full of shit.

[@adrianvarela13]

The story says that the morning of DeOrr's disappearance they went to the store to buy snacks. Someone must have seen them. This could give investigators any clue to whether DeOrr went to the camping trip at all in the first place. What about CCTV?

[@sfletch3042]

They already tried to find witnesses and video. The investigators likely did that very early on. No one saw him. Somw witnesses saw the parents but not him.

[@HackiePuffs]

@@sfletch3042 these parents need to learn a lesson in supervision

[@Alotta21]

Even if they are on cameras without Deorr, they may say - mom and dad went to the store to buy snacks while the boy were sitting in the car with grandpa.

[@rommy143]

I remember seeing a news report where it was stated that no one at the store remembers seeing the little boy even though they did remember the parents coming into the store.

[@beckydennis6591]

Parents. The mother had two other children and gave them to the father because she didn't want to take care of them or in her words she couldn't

[@scallopohare9431]

Thank you I thought that had been brought up early on, but it did not come up when I searched just now.

[@zara5211]

was there no footsteps found around where he went missing? I suspect his parents though

[@angeliahamilton2316]

I think a theory no one has mentioned, or at least I’ve not heard it, is that that poor boy went with his parents early the next morning to get ‘snacks’, and never made it back. I wish the areas around the route they traveled that morning would be searched with cadaver dogs.

[@brad919]

This is the worst theory I’ve read🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[@rustyburkitt3656]

I dont get why they waited so long to call 911. Now he is moved away to another state and she is getting married to a different man ? The karma and guilt will catch up . The secret will turn up.

[@itscarito4570]

Is very strange cause a baby even if he walked out he could NOT GO THAT FAR they even had dog searching and those dogs could have find that little boy alive or dead... if he was near that area , for me I think these four people did something they totally did something and they are all hiding something but my question is WHY?! If they did something to that baby why they would do it ?! IS JUST A LITTLE KID! What can a little kid do to someone what can a baby do to someone...? They obviously do something and are hiding something....

[@diva8717]

That little baby never even made it to the campsite, the parents did something to him made up the whole trip as a cover story.

[@lynnmaus9339]

I agree

[@daliakuwait]

But why would Isaac tell police the boy WAS there? Why would he lie? He was Bob's friend and had only met the parents for the 1st time during that camping trip.

[@jgharts4949]

Missing 411 shows a large numbers of young kids are never found again at parks, forest and other related places like the ones mention. This is a very well done video. Thorough too.

[@luggss]

JG Harts i thought the same when the video starts, about Missing 411 but at the same time, I think that maybe the grandpa or the mom kill the little kid

[@jgharts4949]

Lu GS It’s sad to see any child lost but where did the father go, for as he said, for cell reception and was that area searched too? They could easily figure the general location from the father’s cell phone.

[@luggss]

JG Harts that’s true and what about the evidently inconsistencies in their declarations? And the attitude while they were answering the questions about the disappearance

[@bloodyneptune]

They made a Missing411 documentary and this case was the focal point. But it was before all the other information started coming out, like the coat the kid was apparently wearing when he went missing being found in the house. Im guessing a lot of people don't want to do a documentary about their missing child, especially one thats got a supernatural/sci-fi vibe. They probably used this case because Deorr's parents were more than happy to do a documentary about how they definitely totally didn't do it.

[@Meg-bq2hy]

Sadly, I think he wasn’t ever on the camping trip. I think the trip was a coverup for whatever really happened.

[@tonyarenee531]

Something NOT Right with the Parents & Isaac !!!! I think all 3 covered this up... I get toxic energy more from the Mother than the men and I feel there is no remorse at all with the parents ... she is faking it he seems like he has to be by her side in support for her.. Isaac ... I feel saw / witnessed it ... with the MOM along with the Dad

[@the_key_x]

He was killed at home. Then they all came up with the camping plan. The father driving all the way down the road to get phone signal is an excuse: what he was really doing was keeping a lookout (as it was a one way entry) and giving the others time to hide/dispose of body or “fake” the disappearance at the campsite.

[@enderthexenocide760]

Your comment makes no sense at all. If he was killed at home why would they have brought the body camping to dispose of it and then report him missing? Let's say the theory that he was never on the trip and died at home is correct, which I personally don't believe. They would not have then brought the body with them. They would have disposed of him before and then used the camping trip to stage a disappearance. Bringing the body with them would completely defeat the purpose of the ruse. I think it is very possible there was an accidental death while at the campsite, but the boy dying at home and then still being brought on the trip is far fetched.

[@mayaamis]

this is like Casey Anthony all over again! it makes my blood boil! that woman did something why is no one talking about the fact the she dated and remarried another guy within 8 months of boys disappearance? or that she has 2 more children from previous relationship before this that she abandoned with father because she just "couldn't take care of them" and left with new hubby?? she is psycho!! but they are all in on it somehow!!

[@metaempiricist]

Parents did it and they brought the guy they barely knew to blame it on.

[@rowwy8859]

The grandfather cackling over DeOrr’s disappearance is creepy af. He definitely knows what’s up. It’s a shame he passed away so we’ll never know.

[@Vaga-Bard]

Possible dupers delight...

[@ziggyl0u]

He also had Alzheimer's. So it may be the fault of that as well.

[@mimikhan9546]

His friend is Suspicious too. Maybe another scapegoat though. Child was never at the campsite. Killed and buried someplace else. No evidence of young child being there at all.

[@jasonsears6879]

With him having alziemers( l know I spelled it wrong) its possible he wouldn't remember anything about it. Plus alziemers patients aren't the most stable people. Also, there is a such thing as a dying declaration. If the grandfather really knew, or remembered, I'm sure he would've made it known before he died. Just a thought

[@ToweringDoc]

The parents were probably relieved when he did pass. Knowing their secret went to the grave

[@cobainp9325]

I don’t think that their son made the trip at all!! F*** what kind of monster would ever hurt a child?!!😞

[@craigslist157]

If the boys coat was found back at the home then I would be curious how anyone in the group could explain it. Based on that finding I would conclude DeOrr never made the trip or someone removed his coat while they may have been disposing of the body?

[@Justiceforbabydeorr]

it wasnt the correct jacket

[@angelmorningstarr9504]

@ᴍᴇᴛᴢɢᴇʀᴍᴇɪsᴛᴇʀ the mother admitted she knew where DeOrr's body is? Link please cos i can't find it. TY.

[@angelmorningstarr9504]

@ᴍᴇᴛᴢɢᴇʀᴍᴇɪsᴛᴇʀ I actually found the link in another of YOUR comments 😊

[@babydolljones77]

@@angelmorningstarr9504 link please

[@jasonsears6879]

@@angelmorningstarr9504 reported by a P.I with a possible agenda for being fired by the parents

[@jgharts4949]

Why was there no follow up with the detective that stated “Timber Creek Campground has a secret that needs to be revealed.” He obviously knew something that most researchers didn’t know. It’s was a predator that’s normal in the area because there would b blood, as mention. It’s been shown in some cases that the 2 mile search radius to to small in cases is too small of a search radius.

[@imsa-weet6403]

Yea I was wondering when they would reveal the secret also

[@technicolorrose5549]

He was the sheriff, not a PI. He investigated the case very heavily. There is a movie called Missing 411 that anyone interested in this case should watch. It is not entirely about DeOrr but does feature his case heavily.

[@jgharts4949]

aLiCe wOndERLaND 1) It stated Detective when that persons pic and comment was shown. 2) My other comment already talked about Missing 411. You should read it.

[@the_key_x]

I think he just meant that something happened there that the people involved are keeping secret - like saying if the walls could talk.

[@jasonsears6879]

The "Secrets" he's referring are UFO'S. A likely scenario that people willfully ignore

[@everinehogans2416]

Issac probably didn’t help look because he knew he wasn’t ever there!

[@kathrinbrault7904]

His mom stands out like a red flag to me. I am sorry if I am wrong. But my gut instinct says I am right.

[@terribarrett9381]

Agree!!

[@dianarchy23]

Agreed. I saw her interviewed on the ID Channel & she’s very flat & empty, IMO. I think she did it & her ex (Deorr’s dad) covered it up for her.

[@charliekezza]

I think it was the parents who maybe took the demented grandad with them so they could blame him

[@GodBlessYou112]

And did anyone ever check Isaac Heinwands bank account to see if he had any large cash deposits around the time of DeOrr Jr's disappearance? How was he able to afford to go to Hawaii for his honeymoon? What kind of job does he have?

[@Asmr_MysticalSensations777]

Good point bc I read someone else mentioned that they could have possibly did an underground adoption for money also.

[@bethanycarolus886]

Interesting!

[@shiraishiitsumi896]

isn't it weird if his part of body or clothes have never been found? ok if the little boy was murdered or killed by animals, i think his body should be found. the parents are hiding something i know it, poor little boy he is now 7 if he is still alive

[@pamelacastro32]

They shouldn’t have put that burden on the elderly man.

[@kamiminah6519]

I can't remember where I heard this but it was something like they accidentally ran him over and panicked. Also it's been said they were on drugs,methamphetamine.

[@jonathanoliver4651]

I don’t comment much, but you do a great job. I actually lived in Horn Lake Mississippi where one of your murder videos happened and you covered it very accurately. Your great❤️

[@lilysonthemoon]

Originally I thought an accident occurred. Maybe the toddler put something in his mouth and choked to death or tripped and had a freak accident. But reviewing things I think some neglect was going on. First off, taking a child that young to camp is already risky unless you’re willing to never part from that baby. The parents parted… Then there’s a man who is easily suggestable, as in he’s got some kind of mental disability. And then there’s the great grandfather who has Alzheimer’s, hearing aids, and needs an oxygen tank! The man was confused and had no clue Deorr was with him. He thought the toddler was with his parents. Also who lets a toddler walk in the woods alone??? So the parents do seem suspicious and careless. It’s also sus that the mother got remarried 8 months after the entire incident. That feels weird. And in interviews the father kept smiling and saying “soon we will be able to prove to everyone that we were innocent all along.” It’s stated so confidently that it gives off a weird vibe. Like he knows the answer to it all. I think some coercion happened, an accident may have happened, and a definite cover up happened. The great grandfather felt immense guilt and laughed nervously. But I don’t think he did anything, he feels guilt towards his granddaughter and grandson in law. Some people are just loyal to a fault.

[@maxalberts2003]

I believe that Jessica also gave two other children up for adoption.

[@jasonsears6879]

@@maxalberts2003 no, she gave them to their father, her first husband

[@maxalberts2003]

@@jasonsears6879 Same thing.

[@moneyplant5395]

The mum lost custody of two kids before she had Deorr, The kid was spotted in the grocery store by the counter lady.

[@amandanegrete1306]

I don’t think she lost custody.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@amandanegrete1306 She voluntarily gave them up.

[@amandanegrete1306]

@@maxalberts2003 yeah, that’s why I said I don’t think the OP is accurate. Didn’t DeOrr’s mom agree to the father having primary custody?

[@staciek7474]

They found his cowboy boots that were supposedly missing with him at the parents' home. Nobody credible recalls seeing him on the trip. They conveniently went to a remote location with limited cell service and that required an extensive amount of time to travel to. The grandfather was suffering from Alzheimer's Disease and isn't reliable. His friend was supposedly heavily intoxicated and makes his memory questionable at best. That leaves the parents, who decided to turn their back on a toddler while they went fishing. That poor little boy never went camping with his parents, and they never had any intention of finding him alive. His boots would have come off in an animal attack (or if he'd been carried away by a bird, as some have suggested). Someone traveling to this area would have surely been witnessed by law enforcement, given the remoteness of the area. Understanding what happened before the trip took place will help solve the mystery.

[@ddobry21]

Around the 3:20 mark is when I first smelled the rat. That minnow story sounds fake as hell.

[@TheREALExposingtheJoyofS-px3ri]

Right! I was thinking the same thing... Seems like they totally pulled that one out of their butts.

[@paulandrew4820]

I thought the same thing. That’s when they got rid of the poor kid and blamed it on gramps

[@kirstywright5228]

@@paulandrew4820 Do you think they took the baby with them and disposed of him there?

[@margaretramirez7278]

I've heard this story before and in that video the grandpa's friend was a known sex offender

[@karynsuepohlmeier2109]

That's what I was wondering about.

[@acanadianislandgirl1187]

weres the link?

[@margaretramirez7278]

@@acanadianislandgirl1187 maybe I would post link but I don't think that's how your supposed to ask

[@sweetmelissa1320]

Isaac is not a sex offender.

[@maureentrant5588]

You are correct. Just watched the documentary “411 Missing” and the PI hired by the family stated that , “ Isaac had a prior conviction of a sex crime… it was reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor “.

[@jackmanjack211]

I believe parents evicted from rental shortly after.i know what it's like to be short of money. I always avoided any situation which might mean cash needed so have often wondered why they went camping due to petrol costs bait high prices at.general store etv

[@eggbun1856]

watching the People Magazine Investigates episode about this case and it's just so painfully obvious that the mom, at the very least, knows a lot more than she's saying. she takes any opportunity to point out that she saw a suspicious person at the store, or the campsite, essentially trying to deflect blame or suspicion. both parents lied about sooo many different things, like the beer delivery guy and the diesel seeing + playing with DeOrr, which turned out to have never happened. the diesel guy said he definitely saw a car seat but no baby. maybe they were driving around Leadore to get rid of the baby's body. Idk if I think they legitimately murdered him, but maybe there was an accident and they thought they'd be blamed so they covered it up. I think they're well aware of what happened to DeOrr.

[@TaylorGirl777]

I don't trust them parents AT ALL! All four of them know what happened to poor little DeOrr 😭 heartbreaking!

[@eggbun1856]

I don't think the grandpa or his friend had anything to do with it. they're red herrings. the parents know exactly what happened.

[@itsme1261]

They should be at least charged with obstruction of justice, law enforcement and private investigators know they haven't been honest

[@navajoauckland6003]

Oh Lord this poor child, I hope that if he is .... He's wrapped up safe and warm in your arms, I #GIVETHANKS 💖🧸

[@mohdalmaamari7700]

6:10 my guts telling that when the dogs has detected a false lead on reservoir on the ashes of a cremated person has been thrown there , i think the ashes belongs to the kid “DeOrr” in the same of his disappearance .

[@alandrosstettina1843]

***It's the parents!

[@Macho_Fantastico]

It seems very likely his parents did something to poor DeOrr Kunz Jr. Sadly unless something slips out, I doubt justice will be served.

[@redefinedlife6]

I do believe he wandered off, and reason I do,. Experience, I had this same thing happen with my daughter,. LUCKLY she did not get far, but it was the samething I ran to store. I told my dad, I would be right back. When I got to store I got a call. The neighbors had brought my daughter home. My dad said I thought she was with you. And Me of course said no, I told you I was leaving and would be right back. This is a very sad story. I believe he wandered off and an animal got him and took him somewhere, that humans didnt look .

[@kelleyrobles1961]

If he was never at the campground why would Isaac lie and say he was? Unless they paid him or something.

[@vasefanuatyrell207]

Is that the little mans real parents? The woman is quilty...

[@jolenepotter664]

I find it extremely suspicious that the jacket he was supposedly wearing the night of his disappearance was located in the home. Their inconsistent stories, coupled with the fact that there were no witnesses that ever saw Deorr, I believe they took advantage of the fact that his grandfather had Alzheimer’s and would struggle to recollect the event. Therefore, they were likely able to tell him what happened and he believed it because he couldn’t remember otherwise.

[@mistrjt9213]

DeOrr and Isaac seems to have the exact same nose. Hmm.. 🤔

[@51385jrod]

How can they officially rule out that he wasn't abducted when they don't know what happened? That is ridiculous. Nothing is ruled out until you find the truth But I do believe that the parents no more

[@nyc_dancer_j]

That story was strange I wonder what happen the mother and the father should've gone to jail I know they did something!!!!!!!!!!

[@danjohnson887]

In India it is common practice to allow unwanted young children to play in fields known to have deadly cobras. When the inevitable happens, the parents put on a show and blame the snake...

[@2nicnag2]

I believe that DeOrr never even made it to camping ground for numerous reasons including the camo jacket was found in their home

[@Jmjdit]

Such a small child could have been taken by an animal without signs, it has happened before. I don't see why people insist this simply couldn't have happened.

[@thepostofficeprince8819]

Did it eat the boots too??

[@JenniferLacasse-qj8sz]

That was not vernals grandfather. That happened to be Jessica's grandfather, get your facts right

[@oxyman9604]

Them parents sold the baby... He's safe somewhere hopefully

[@meganblackburn9837]

Freaking love you guys. I've always thought his parents had something to do with it unfortunately

[@lovsamira34]

I'm almost positive tge parents did it cause the Isaac passed the polygraph test...the old man was too sick to move fast enough..

[@Amie1333]

dude nothing happens in idaho ever so this scary for locals lol😭

[@slicedbread5692]

I think it's almost obvious what happened... Grandpa did something that killed the kid during an Alzheimer's spell. That's why the family mentioned the kid going back to stay with grandpa, just in case the cops discovered evidence of the kid being physically there with gramps. The family kept it secret, because they didn't want grandpa getting locked up. The family still won't come clean, because they don't want to face charges of covering up the murder. In this scenario the murder was accidental, or at least occured during a lapse of mental health. If I had to bet I'd put all my chips on this explanation.

[@scallopohare9431]

Good point! Alzheimer and other dementia patients are always portrayed as docile, but that is not reality. I worked BRIEFLY on a locked ward, and had a very scary incident with one usually darling old man. Of course, we want to treat these patients well, but the truth is they can be genuinely frightening.

[@slicedbread5692]

@@scallopohare9431 my grandmother had Alzheimer's for the last 6 or so years of her life. My mom paid for her to be taken care of in a home that specializes in such things. Me and my mom both would go see Grammy every single day no matter what. There was this old man that lived across the hall and he was always so nice and he did these cheesy magic tricks and was always so impressed with himself and it was adorable... One time we were chillin with Gram Gram and the old man somehow got his hands on a steak knife and had no idea where he was and he was in full panic mode. Luckily he slowly calmed down when the nurses talked to him, but I could easily see him using that knife without understanding the ramifications at all... It happens. Btw I've never experienced anything sadder than my grandmother not recognizing her own daughter and me seeing that look of lost love on my mom's face. I'm a grown adult man and I cried almost every time I left that place because I cant imagine how my mother felt and there was nothing I could do to fix it for her.

[@nikkiej.5875]

There were so many inconsistencies in their stories and whenever that happens, it's never a good sign. I think the parents were involved in some way. I'm not sure how much but something is just really off with them.

[@MistyinParis-]

Agree, and there were 2 very experienced private detectives that quit because the parent's were not being truthful. The dad Verne. Left the camp ground in his truck to call 911 That's suspicious in itself . And he was recorded saying he thinks the grandfather and the friend Isaac are involved . Trying to project suspicion away from himself. I don't think they will solve this one

[@nikkiej.5875]

@@MistyinParis- Yeah, that’s another thing I found suspicious. I would understand you would need a signal but when that happens, you would just keep walking until you get a signal, not get in your car and drive away. It just wouldn’t happen. They wouldn’t drive away if you are trying to call 911. There wasn’t any evidence found that point to little DeOrr ever being at the camping site. I always thought that something happened before the camping trip and the family went on a camping trip to have an alibi and point to their story that he was lost in the national park. But that’s just me. I just don’t believe that he was ever with the family at the camping site.

[@jflsdknf]

I hope they searched their home and other areas this poor kid could have been. The camping trip could have been a rouse to put searchers in the wrong place

[@lighthousedimlights6404]

Apparently when I was 2 years old my grandma was taking care of me. So one day she was drying the clothes and I was sitting behind her and she didn’t notice that there were monkeys around the place . One of the monkeys gave scratch marks throughout my body and I was later taken to the hospital. So it goes to show that not all but most elderly aren’t capable of looking after children or toddlers

[@maxalberts2003]

Where on EARTH do you live where numbers of monkeys roam free?

[@lighthousedimlights6404]

@@maxalberts2003 It was a trip to my grandparents house haha in a farm in a village in Bangladesh which is a small nation near India on South Asia Haha

[@Andrew-ev3ho]

It's so obvious that the parents were telling stories and not telling events that happened. Looks like guilt, does not look like fear or sadness

[@thesheshed1775]

The thing is. If you believe the grandfather and family friend, you must also believe the parents. You can't have it both ways.

[@ragdedude83]

Drinking game. Take a shot every time she says “Deorr”

[@jennifercarr9111]

Dude not cool at all. Get out of here with that trash. So disrespectful

[@jodychambers702]

The parents know.

[@chaseemory9330]

Best one yet! But I think the last conspiracy theory is right. I bet he was murdered beforehand and they went on the camping trip as a cover up. That's honestly my best bet

[@saddam6059]

So guilty. Look at their facial expressions . They look evil.