The Myth of Genius

[@WisecrackEDU]

Who's the dumbest "genius"?

[@snoopyfod1807]

"Stable Genius" Donald J Trump

[@CraftyF0X]

Have you guys heard about orthogonality thesis and the way how AI researchers goes about the definition of inteligence ?

[@leo7107]

@@NarinderxBali my god people like you are annoying. Could you not worship Elon and think for yourself for once?

[@amaokoro7000]

@@NarinderxBali I'm not sure if any genius is self-proclaimed this video is specifically about how we view geniuses, it's about the public opinion, and I don't understand why you think he would bring up oil industries so you don't know if he's mad or not

[@fernandoi8958]

Genius to me is dedication + opportunity (with a dash of creativity). Everything else is just marketing and popularity contest...

[@AxeMurderer2222]

People sometimes confuse success with genius, and popularity with wisdom.

[@galacticplastic1741]

Whats your opinion on wisdom?

[@AxeMurderer2222]

@@galacticplastic1741 I think there exists an insufficient supply of it.

[@youtubeaccountfromthephone5827]

Success is related to IQ

[@gabrieltm9000]

@@youtubeaccountfromthephone5827 yh but luck is huge factor too

[@viacheslavpivovarov6767]

Said wisdom but not popular or successful genius

[@tonymccraw3853]

So, Einstein's genius is validated by his understanding of his limitations. Smart guy.

[@ivanvalentin7713]

In general, accepting ones limitations and questioning our own knowledge are smart things to do

[@HeavySnorlax]

Just to be clear. Israel presidency is not like the US presidency, it’s mostly an honor title. I always assumed that Einstein probably wasn’t filling connected to the position.

[@Jedi_Are_Scum]

@@HeavySnorlax That was stated in the post above this one

[@screensaves]

i do this by ending all of my arguments with, “well at least that’s how i see it”

[@dalemitchell5697]

The only thing that I know, is that I know nothing

[@johnlewis8934]

We should normalize saying “ I don’t know” this would lesson the fear of people who are intelligent in one part of study to be more ok with not knowing everything there is to know

[@RK-ep8qy]

Yes! I find it more respectable when my teachers would say I don't know rather than when they tried to pawn off nonsense or say they knew but wanted me to go find the answers myself

[@whiskeycan529]

@rvidal0001 Capitalist structures aren't exactly known for rewarding humbleness and cooperation, let alone basic decency.

[@Earwaxfire909]

I don't know.

[@pzooka]

Wow John you must be a *genius*

[@zeynaviegas]

youre absolutely right. Not knowing things and admitting is what gets your brain going after new information in the right way

[@phillipwadley6732]

Never have I agreed so strongly with a Wisecrack video. These days in academia especially, most sustainable and progressive scientific advancements are by groups of several coauthors as opposed to one 'genius' author. Standing on the shoulders of giants and the value of teamwork is cliché but absolutely true.

[@Solidlauti]

@FlyingMonkies325 You really like laughing out loud at the end of every sentence, huh

[@The_fusion_physics_guy]

I completely agree, in fusion it's really all-for-one. There are legends of course, who invented a technique or set of equations, but their work was just the first step (after many prior steps) in utilizing the approach, and they're often quite humble. We're all just making little steps, and as the field grows and more and more researchers join in, everybody just has to do their own little part and it all works quite well. It's okay to have heroes, just not idols, and i've always respected somebody's character and work ethic more than their intelectual talents. You need the first two much more than the later to work effectively as a group.

[@JAIPOD100]

They really picked the meme picture for zucc lol

[@LuisSierra42]

Hahaha, joker zucc

[@gabyr.883]

Lmaoo

[@comrade_mikey6138]

fuc the zuc

[@cellonpot]

Sponsored by simulated war

[@MelodicQuest]

Good Zucc

[@ramahan21]

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" -Isaac Newton

[@bollebollepats]

this quote is really funny once you realise it was newton dissing Robert Hooke cuz he was so short

[@DSCS_HarshaS]

@@bollebollepats lol

[@pseshanthvishal5708]

@@bollebollepats they had some beef right?

[@oldcowbb]

@@pseshanthvishal5708 newton had beef with basically everyone

[@pseshanthvishal5708]

@@oldcowbb Newton majorly had issues with hooke, i think hooke stole his works or something. who else did he have a beef with

[@enix0053]

the japanese used the term "genius" pretty accurately. they say it when someone excel on something and not being a general know-it-all

[@SelfPropelledDestiny]

That’s pretty much what the video said it’s etymological roots were as well.

[@enix0053]

@@SelfPropelledDestiny i commented that around the first minutes of the vid, though but at least we got our facts straight

[@SelfPropelledDestiny]

@@mlvpc Wow! That sounds rife with ignorance. You would have to define terms, like "successful people", but Japan can certainly hold a candle on the world stage of achievements, especially considering their smaller population globally. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions_and_discoveries

[@yansakuya1]

@@mlvpc Dude... they were were the second largest economy before China rise and made many world famous company after their restoration so I don't believe your opinion is even worth a pinch of salt.

[@davechuasoup]

If you define success by the chance of being mugged at a tourist attraction or being shot at school, then sure, US and UK definitely trumps the world in being successful

[@bicokun]

I feel like it’s weird to constantly refer to Musk as a genius given he’s given very little indication that he’s more than slightly above average intelligence-wise.

[@emperorpalpatine6239]

Finally somebody said this!

[@VoorTrekker88]

Seriously... talk about a straw-man argument... IQ is fake because Elon Musk says stupid things. Ya no shit, if you saw his actual IQ score I bet it would reflect that. The real question is, how dumb are you if you just blindly accept a billionaire ego-maniac's self-assertion of genius?

[@Samuel-qc7kg]

Agreed

[@smarks-1160]

FINALLY.... THANK YOU!

[@ReflexVE]

He's a typical white guy born into a wealthy family in an apartheid society where wealth and power was his default. He has leveraged this starting point to take the work of others, claim it as his own, and only minimally screw it up. Nothing more than that. Zero respect for this kind of "genius"

[@dwc1964]

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” - Stephen Jay Gould, _The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History_ And speaking of Stephen Jay Gould, on the specific topic of this video, I highly recommend _The Mismeasure of Man_

[@nightmare_automata]

Underrated Comment.

[@nightmare_automata]

@Amarok So... I take it you dislike the idea of Punctuated Equilibria?

[@RandomDirectors]

That is a terrifying thought that will haunt me.

[@Michael-ki5oz]

@Amarok You're the one spewing baseless bullshit. Your argument that "socio-economic status has a .7 correlation with intelligence," is part of Gould's point. Low SES is starving developing minds of resources, support, etc.

[@Michael-ki5oz]

@Amarok sure you're providing sources but anyone who actually reads and understands will see that it doesn't actually support your stance

[@drewandfriendsproject]

"Genius is defined by whether or not you watch Rick and Morty" isn't a good thesis Jared.

[@Dillinger86]

Damn straight

[@pzooka]

I feel bad for people who think they are smart just because they can understand the plot line of that Futurama rip off

[@pzooka]

N.A. Fat Are you upset because you’re one of the people I was talking about or because I called R&M a Futurama rip off? You’re right, I’m not intelligent. But at least I’m smart enough to know it

[@pzooka]

N.A. Fat I figured your first comment was sarcastic. I thought the second one you tagged me in was serious. All of my comments were genuine, I think there really are people out there that are patting themselves on the back for understanding a rick and Morty episode’s concept lol

[@LL-qe8md]

Only a genius can understand Rick and Morty.

[@thatotherguy27]

Elon Musk is an example of why intelligence and wisdom are separate scores in RPGs.

[@ffxiisucks]

Brilliant.

[@Arkhs]

@MrXelium I mean hey, in the video he literally said that genius is more about standing atop the shoulders of those that came before you xD

[@IoEstasCedonta]

Popehat calls him "wisdom-dump-statted."

[@thedayinthelifeofanothertr9524]

Big facts.

[@reidwallace4258]

So other than the early 2000s when he helped make a website while going to a good university on his Daddies apartheid emerald money... what has he done that makes him smart? 'Electric cars are the future' is some Lisa Simpsons grade insight dude, he just bought a company that was already around because people knew it was a good idea, and poured money into it... I'm not saying that is a bad thing, or even that he shouldn't get some credit for it... but that aint fucking 'intelligence'... Space X is even less a sign of intelligence, and more a sign he is a man child with a pile of money hiring scientists and acting like he helps... Once again, I love it, but throwing money at a bunch of smart people does not buy a guy smarts.

[@K1RTB]

The particular awfulness of Elon Musk is that he actively takes away credit from his employees by inserting himself in every discussion.

[@torijones9992]

That’s exactly why I Despise Elon Musk.

[@thexalon]

Truly smart people, in every field, have a good sense of how little they know. For example, Dennis Ritchie, the guy who is arguably the most responsible for all of modern computer software, was always a very humble personality who designed everything with the idea that people are going to screw things up.

[@ismaelibanez9545]

working in the aerospace industry I've met a lot of VERY smart people (technically speaking, mainly optics, math, physics, software) . Almost all of them are very cautious in what they opine on, because they are VERY aware of their limitations and how LITTLE we all know, even the ones who know a lot.

[@pmclean1980]

This is absolutely so true. There's nothing worse than a "know it all". Everyone on the planet knows so incredibly little compared to what they know. There isn't a person on earth who knows everything about even one subject. A lot of it is just guesses anyway we could all be wrong about a lot. There's also some, maybe a lot, we may never understand period.

[@pmclean1980]

@@ismaelibanez9545 the things people say with certainty is shocking sometimes.

[@calebghormley2322]

The only thing I know, is that I know nothing.

[@Unknown-jt1jo]

Yup, and this is related to the Dunning-Kruger effect: truly competent people are aware of their own limitations.

[@Paul-lo5ce]

I think there's a whole marketing/publicity aspect that definitely adds to the idea of the modern day genius. Also, I'm kind of sad that y'all didn't mention the Halo bias, which is the tendency to form impressions of someone created in one area to influence opinions in other areas.

[@mrbeastwithnomoney]

Elon is not genius stop making him one

[@hornedgoddess8191]

This is more true for people like Elon Musk and Kanye West because their success is mainly motivated by profit whereas actual scientists - of course there are exceptions like those that are more about advocacy and speaking - are mainly motivated by the scientific method and discovering new truths or testing old truths.

[@Paul-lo5ce]

@@hornedgoddess8191 I agree 100% with you. I wasn't saying that this applies to all cases, but more like the cases that you mentioned like Elon Musk and Kanye West.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

his completely untested bipolar disorder wreaks havoc on his ability to do much with it but yeah, functioning Kanye is a musical genius.

[@tinchick2]

There is such a thing as "Dumb Smart Guy Syndrome" where someone who is very intelligent in one field fails miserably in another (often common sense or basic skills/knowledge related)

[@bri1085]

Common sense isn't really a thing,

[@pzooka]

Bri10 It is just as much as it isn’t. For instance, would you leave baby in a hot car with all the windows rolled up? No bc it’s common sense. But then again, we aren’t born with that knowledge. So if you’re choosing to define common sense as instinctual knowledge that every human is genetically predisposed to, then yes you are technically correct there is no common sense.

[@bri1085]

​@@pzooka No I'm talking about common sense as a rhetorical device, it people's sensibilities vary far too much for there to be such a thing as common sense. Do you think AOC and Trump share the same set of sensibilities? Using your examp.le of the baby in a hot car, some cities simply aren't as dependant on the car, to some people the idea of having a baby in a hot car in the first place already seems senseless. Common sense has more or less become a calling card to stick to the status quo

[@pzooka]

Bri10 Ok well you should go back and edit your first comment clarifying that you were referring to it as a rhetorical device bc then I would have known to never respond. Using common sense as a rhetorical device is for finger pointing politicians. Anyone can pull the “it’s common sense/decency” card when they are trying to expose someone else. Childish Edit: So in other words I definitely agree on common sense being bullshit when it comes to rhetoric

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

It’s called being an idiot savant.

[@sh.a.3333]

*"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." ~ Albert Einstein* Einstein was truly amazing and smart, regardless of his IQ score. And he was a humanitarian, ethical and respectable human being as well.

[@hectorvega621]

@Leroy Awar At least his best overall than the other two on the thumbnail. Hell his the only Humanist in the Thumbnail. While the other discards the name of another Humanist, and the last one. We don't know if his even Human.

[@hectorvega621]

@Leroy Awar Well he discarded Tesla's good name, as a brand. Especially with Tequila. Also, I don't care of the space improvement, when Democracy as we know it, will be at peril by these Billionaires, who will become Trillionaires through Space.

[@hectorvega621]

@Leroy Awar It doesn't, and it won't. Thing's are probably going to probably end up like Elysium, and in all honesty. When that time comes, It'll be impossible to argue why Humanity doesn't deserve to go extinct.

[@001-q1s]

Truly General Relativity and Special Relativity are probably the most revolutionary scientific theories. Makes you wonder how did he even come up with it .

[@yanderekun4939]

KNOWLEDGE IS MORE IMPORTANT THOUGH I MEAN CAN YOU DEFINE “IMAGINATION"THERE ARE MANY GASLIGHTERS TODAY SO IMAGINATION IS DUMB

[@Unpopularopinionbutitsok]

Another way of putting it, just because you’re good at one thing or more, that doesn’t mean you know everything you have an idea about.

[@marcoantino2920]

[@johnlewis8934]

Haha yeah this is something that is so easy to fall into, especially with America’s view of the world and how we idolize wealthy people and expect them to know everything, when in fact no one can know everything. Most of us know very little and the ones who are geniuses in one aspect of life got there because of hard work and dedication and it would take the same amount of time of hard work and dedication to pull the same thing off in a different field of study.

[@marcoantino2920]

@@johnlewis8934 so refreshing been a while since i saw a comment section so lucid

[@cevcena6692]

You wouldn’t ask Mozart to help you with Algebra or Newton to translate cantonese.

[@avatardecadewho]

Why The Zuck looking like a Fallout ghoul in the thumbnail?

[@marisa1637]

That was how much sunscreen he put on the other day

[@aguilacahc000]

Cuz he is??

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

He was using Datas sunscreen.

[@josethebioform7519]

He was at the beach he was trying to protect his circuits and alloy skin from corroding.

[@joemilan2485]

Hes a lizard man obviously 🦎

[@KarlisVR]

So it is basically a halo effect - because we like one part of their personality or achievement, we assume that everything they do is brilliant, even if it is not. Daniel Kahneman wrote about it in his book "Thinking, Fast and Slow" - Part I. Two Systems, Chapter 7. A Machine For Jumping to Conclusions

[@junweiau4601]

Pls reply to this comment so I can "bookmark" this haha

[@lebronramsay13]

@@junweiau4601 yo haha

[@junweiau4601]

@@lebronramsay13 thanks man I totally forgot about this lol

[@gentlemandemon]

Genius is one of those deeply flawed concepts that makes sense until you spend any time thinking about it. Nothing makes me doubt someone more then a person who uses it completely sincerely. Also, Musk gets way to much credit for Tesla and SpaceX. Yes, these are projects that his deeply involved with, but throwing his money at these projects and managing them is not the same as designing and building cars and rockets.

[@smarks-1160]

exactlyyy

[@steveo10861]

So essentially, "genius" is really just a place card holder for "expert in their field"

[@chelseaaneke]

Perfectly said

[@mahadomar2146]

Nah more like a person who pushes The bounderies of that said field. There have been many expertis at a given field but only a handfull of Them are called geniuses cuz they stand out amongst The other by doing something that was not thought or believed to be possible

[@steveo10861]

@@mahadomar2146 I see your POV, however I would argue that simply pushing the boundaries would not be enough to qualify for the distinction. There are countless people who no doubt pushed against the boundaries of what was known of their field but were ultimately incorrect in their theories or results. I would hesitate to call each of them genius. Which I guess points to my favorite quote regarding the topic. "Genius is insanity, right up until the point that it works"

[@hornedgoddess8191]

You can be a genius in anything.

[@hermitcard4494]

Perfection requires addiction to the art/science.

[@iiVEVO]

"if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." - A genius.

[@BeyondtheRecord]

@jocaguz18 PREACH!!!!!

[@andreilyas1426]

@jocaguz18 I mean they are right. I did very well in school. However I had classmates that school just wasn't for them, a lot of them exceeded in field that I never would have.

[@andreilyas1426]

@@BeyondtheRecord I mean they are right. I did very well in school. However I had classmates that school just wasn't for them, a lot of them exceeded in field that I never would have.

[@natalieeuley1734]

People use it in education because the way our education system currently is only selects for a very specific kind of intelligence. Giving myself as an example, there are lots of objective ways in which I could be classified as a genius. However, I regularly failed history classes in school, among others. It's because my memory is very poor, but my problem solving and logical abilities are very strong. My history teachers saw me as an absolute nuisance, even if I was the kid in geometry that would help my fellow students when I was done with my work. When I got to college, I learned history could be analyzed, and you could make arguments about it. You could characterize situations and fill in gaps based on predictions, just like science. And guess what? In college history, I was one of the top students instead of failing. I could do history all along. I just didn't know I could, because I wasn't good at memorizing things, and in k12 most history classes are nothing but memorization. This is what they mean when they talk about trying to get a fish to climb a tree. K12 curriculums teach things through a very narrow lense, and it leaves students who could potentially be brilliant behind.

[@natalieeuley1734]

@jocaguz18 Firstly, you had absolutely no basis on which to call me stupid. I didn't insult you; why did you feel the need to insult me? Secondly, if many students have similar experiences, it's not a case of "just you". The way history is taught in k12 classrooms is not analytical in nature. In the case of my state, we have a history graduation exam that asks about who did what when and where. You need to pass that test to graduate. That is what k12 history classes are preparing students for: standardized tests. The tests for history are based on knowing the knowledge of history, not applying it. And schools are judged on test scores, so they teach to the test. This is not the fault of the teachers, students, or individual schools; it's the fault of the greater system. I don't know where you get the idea that these issues aren't systemic, but they are.

[@that_artsy_boy675]

"If people never did silly things, nothing intelligent would ever be done" ~ Ludwig Wittgenstein Sums it up pretty nicely imo

[@djoakeydoakey1076]

The founding of penicilin was done by doing a stupid. Aspartame to make sugar free food and drinks was found by the guy tasting the result of his mistake.

[@MephLeo]

Yet, when you double down on your stupidity even in the face of evidence of it's danger, you shouldn't be celebrated uncritically.

[@rudylabsilica2286]

That’s true to a certain point; Kanye had said stupid things, that doesn’t make him intelligent.

[@williammcneil2045]

yeah i love reading about geniuses, in the past. like richard feyman and albert einstein, both of them were very smart, yet both of them did not see themselves as some kind of super beings, both admitted that there was things they did not know and that there were people better and smarter than them selves. sadly geniuses today feel they are super human and can do no wrong :(

[@The_fusion_physics_guy]

One of my favorite things about einstein is that he hated quantum mechanics and thought it was ridiculous, even though he helped discover it. His intuition was very wrong on that one, and he admitted it and let the next generation of physicists take the reigns. You don't have to be good at or understand everything, and intuition is a good guide but not a good result, the problem is when people get so full of themselves they equate their intuition with a valid solution.

[@binarystar7346]

Albert Einstein : It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer

[@genghislad6195]

Almost every human being wouldn't achieve what he achieved if they ''stayed with problems longer'', he IS actually a genius. And an exceptional one that is.

[@binarystar7346]

@@genghislad6195 agree he is an exceptional

[@fenerevarchim1782]

Have u stayed with those problem with the same mindset in that way and not let u limit by the sentence u hear all times for several years to tell is otherwise?

[@benhac]

IMPORTANT NOTE: The head of state in Israel is the prime minister. The presidency is more of a ceremonial position. Hence the offering of it to einstein.

[@maxpayne930]

If u wana wipe out most pple from ethnic point just give them state:)

[@marcelguillen9235]

also i doubt that einstein being a socialist would ever want to be a settler state's president

[@josemariagomez6212]

Besides hun , Israel's not a real state

[@DanRyzESPUK]

Head of State represents the state Head of Government represents and runs the government. Sometimes they're mixed, sometimes it's one person (POTUS is an example), but that's the principle to see.

[@NecroAngelDeclaresWar]

Wanto to be president of this country? what country?

[@SerPounce23]

Compassion and emotional intelligence is not valued enough in our society.

[@frocco7125]

Empathy is based.

[@AxeKick80]

Sadly very true. We’re bred to be competitive and individualistic 🙄

[@hellojari07]

agreed

[@frocco7125]

@@AxeKick80 Not really. I'm pretty sure ancient cave man societies would have collapsed without collaboration.

[@rockabye274]

@@frocco7125 But then capitalism came along.

[@Killicon93]

Einstein knowing where his limits lie was the sign of a true genius.

[@archangecamilien1879]

Lol...14:53...I think he went to college before he was 10, Terence Tao...normal guy, lol, anyone can do it...I forgot what difficult test he passed when he was 7...he started playing video games all the time when in college, lol, and at the beginning of grad school, because he didn't have to put in much effort (he did eventually take studying more seriously after almost failing a difficult test, but most people would have had to take things more seriously way before that) but, if he says so, lol, can't possibly be to make the rest of us feel better, lol...

[@archangecamilien1879]

Lol...someone I know knew (well, was acquainted with, lol) people who would put in quite a bit of effort, exert themselves, and still fail...maybe they needed to play a couple video games like a normal person would, lol...

[@matrinoxtm]

It’s the difference between intelligence and wisdom. Wisdom is knowing the limits of your abilities while intelligence alone will never reveal to you your blind spots

[@PalladiumAlchemist]

And that's why intelligence and wisdom are seperate stats in D&D.

[@voyd2911]

That’s why a wizzard in the party doesn’t prevent them of doing stupid shenanigans

[@Miranox2]

Yes, many people confuse intelligence and wisdom. They are related but they are not the same thing. There is too much focus on intelligence and very little on wisdom.

[@Clartred]

Please stop writing bullshit like this.

[@talonflorig7169]

That's why Thimblefur knows which berries are poison but can't count them.

[@0fg4]

Comparing Musk to Einstein is somewhat of a stretch, though.

[@Vekikev1]

@GREATLIFESUCKS GREAT You're right. It's not a stretch. It's an absurdity so enormous it could cover the Grand Canyon.

[@maniac50ae14]

Fuck yes! The guy is definitely smart, disciplined and determined but hes never actually discovered anything new

[@ogungou9]

0fg4: it's worst than that. Elon is a fraud: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mV6peKp6echgqZo

[@ogungou9]

@@maniac50ae14 : No he is not, this a myth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mV6peKp6echgqZo

[@alice_in_wonderland42]

He's a genius is his own field tho U cannot go that forward if u don't understand the stuff

[@flick6291]

So in a nutshell, me putting a can of baked beans in the oven could still mean I'm a genius?

[@hairohukosu433]

Yep.

[@11FBA11]

Yes, but only a genius with beans. Feel free to call yourself "bean genius" from now on.

[@fredmorrison2635]

Depends on whether you remove the beans from the can.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

I stuck a wire in an electrical outlet. It caught fire and made a funny smell but luckily nobody got gravely injured and no houses got burned down.

[@pkbatavia]

Yessssssss

[@radical_drift572]

As a math student, I'm only now recognizing the true greatness of Terry Tao. When I learned about him in 2008, I wrote him off as some "genius" who couldn't relate to the struggles of mere mortals. It's pretty easy to write him off right? He learned calculus at 7. He had three IMO medals by the age of 13. He got the Fields medal at the age of 31 after writing 140+ papers. You can't blame 12 year old me right? However, in 2021, I watch some of his interviews, and I hear how many of his ideas are wrong at first, how he proceeds by trial and error to eventually making some trivial observation that eventually solves his problem. I go back to the 2006 article I read where he talks about how doing research math is not about "being smart or fast." I then, over the span of 13ish years realize that there have been many prodigies in math in recent times (including some students in their pre-teen/teen years taking several graduate courses), and yet few have matched the output of Terry Tao. Perhaps most importantly, I have seen the extreme difference between my own math ability now versus me just three years ago, and I understand how much of this "genius" was inside of me all along. The papers I write now would be very hard to imagine for 2018 me. Going back further, if I met myself from 2008 and started saying the stuff I know, my 2008 self would think I'm on the order of a Terry Tao. Terry Tao was right all along. (Of course, I need a disclaimer. I don't intend on saying that everyone can be Terry Tao. Terry Tao is surely still one of the most gifted mathematicians in the world. All I mean to say is that, many people who focus on the geniuses don't recognize, as Tao would probably point out, all of the little things that allowed for them to make their big breakthroughs. I also want to point out how someone could easily read one of my papers and think "I could never do that." They don't see the countless hours in which I carefully read and digested several standard techniques from other papers and books and recognized how to apply them in my context, often after much frustration and help from my advisor. So, to summarize, Terry Tao is amazingly gifted, but there's so much more there; ideas don't come from nowhere.)

[@radical_drift572]

@Carrie White ... is this a meme?

[@radical_drift572]

@Carrie White I would say that surface area grows quadratically while volume grows cubically. It comes from the fact that, in the limt as x----> infty, we have x^3/x^2-----> infty.

[@radical_drift572]

@Carrie White your question is how "how can a large cube have a greater volume to surface area ratio than a smaller cube ?" I did the best I could, unless you can rephrase in some way I suppose. You mention that "... sure you can demonstrate it mathematically BUT you must admit it makes no sense." I don't know what you want from me.

[@Milubee]

Ok, i'm more baffled by how anyone would assume genius person would be good at everything. Common sense should be enough to realise a genius is only genius in a certain lane, not an authority on everything.

[@niteshprabhu6791]

Sherlock Holmes

[@andreydoronin6995]

Genious is heavily associated with polymath because a lot of scientists and philosophers of the past were skilled in "everything", like Aristotle and Albrecht Duerer. But people do not take into accound that: 1) being talented at everything was "easier" than today because the information and knolwdge available in each specific field was much narrower. 2) famous people's abilities can often be exaggerated because of stereotypes, misrepresentation in media or lack of reliable information in the first place.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@andreydoronin6995 eh but the achievements "outside of tyeir lane" of those two examples you mentioned are overstated.

[@nicki4515]

It's called the Halo Effect "the tendency for an impression created in one area to influence opinion in another area." Since people have the tendency to think of genius/IQ scores as the general propensity to be good at whatever that person puts effort into. People tend to think if someone used their genius intellect to become very successful in a particular area, maybe if they focus their genius intellect in a different area they'll quickly grasp the basics and see something no one else sees. Like how we'll elect presidents for their successes in military or business backgrounds because we think they'll bring their outside perspective and their inner genius to succeed. Also Halo Effect happens not just for intellect, but for people in the entertainment industry who we think their inherent "talent" will work across music/acting/modeling and the face palming movies and music we've gotten from that false assumption.

[@BygoneT]

No, this is the modern castrated understanding of the term. Our society is specialized too much so that's what happens, geniuses have to be good at "Everything" which is a code word for a whole lot of stuff.

[@TankTaur]

Paraphrasing a comment I saw a couple weeks back: "Elon Musk is the 'I'm not like other girls' of billionaires."

[@Hangman11]

Well he ticks a lot of the boxes that describe the average billionaire, but the technologie industry actually isnt one of them, despite some of the richest people coming from this background and i think that he cares about humanities future makes him somewhat special.

[@lunarwaning]

Soooo.. basically the Reddit of genuises?

[@TankTaur]

@@lunarwaning Pretty much

[@mr.knowitall5019]

Why are you all so obssessed with him then?

[@lunarwaning]

Video: literally has Elon Musk in the thumbnail and talks about him Mr. Know it all: lol rEnT-fReE

[@ervinpucchi6951]

"Genius originally referred to as an individual spirit that protects a person at birth thereby determining their character." So basically Stands?

[@nicolasrealMD]

A man of culture i see

[@DogDogGodFog]

Stand name: Math and physics Stand user: Albert Einstein

[@philv2529]

wtf are stands?

[@DogDogGodFog]

@@philv2529 Jo Jo reference

[@philv2529]

@@DogDogGodFog Who the fuck is JoJo?

[@doublev1513]

*"Everyone wants people they like to be right. That's why popular people are f**k**g dumb."* - Rick Sanchez

[@MJ-mp1fx]

Honestly, I really needed this. I was a "gifted" kid, but never amounted to much. Maybe I didn't waste my potential.

[@bunnyben5607]

What people don't commonly talk about is that IQ or "giftedness" in the preteens isn't really that predictive of adult IQ. There's some (about .2), but really the only way you're going to know if someone's intelligent as an adult is to test them as an adult. The main reason being that children have yet to experience the majority of their neural development. Sorry to burst your bubble, but being intelligent as a kid amounts to relatively little in the context of the rest of your life.

[@MJ-mp1fx]

@@bunnyben5607 that's good to know. I'd rather have an accurate view of myself, TBH.

[@wrinkleintime4257]

Bunny Ben thank you! I was tested as “gifted” in 3rd grade ... which then I didn’t even know what that logic test was haha I studied education at uni and what we learned about giftedness testing is just a way to track students into those deemed to have potential and those deemed to not. So that more effort is put into “smart” students rather than supporting students who struggle. All to keep up the disparities. They’re changing the ways to determine intelligence, including emotional and artistic intelligence etc. But I really think we should do away with all intelligence testing ... let children be children, meet their needs and pay their teachers decently. Really the school system fails everyone, gifted and not. What it did for me was convince myself that I had the potential to go to college. But in reality we are still part of a capitalist system that lies to us that if we work hard enough or are intelligent enough we can be successful. I’ll soon be a teacher myself, and I don’t want to try to label students. All kids have potential, nothing is guaranteed in life, so why waste (already very limited) resources intelligence testing kids when we could be using that money and time to actually educate kids!!!! I swear schools will spend money on everything except what they actually need to spend money on ...

[@absurdist5938]

@Mike Smith wrong intelligence is some way account by birth but they are also influenced by environment and education.. If u are talking in terms of IQ then u should rethink what is definition of intelligence..

[@MJ-mp1fx]

@RandomName oh ok

[@schtuff.8207]

"Poopity Scoop." - A Musical Genius

[@kungfubrandon6886]

Fax

[@ishanstuff]

sCOOPDIDY W0op

[@kungfubrandon6886]

@@ishanstuff that song is fire

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

Scooptity poop poopidie scoop poop. Ahhh the self proclaimed voice of our generation. True genius in this enchanted lyrics.

[@rainbowcity911]

Poopity scoop, loop de loop. Animal crackers in my soup.

[@jwilhel5]

Robert Sternberg was the president of my University, for 5 months. He started in July, fired nearly every college dean and provost on campus, and was asked to resign by November. But I guess he did get the university to buy him out of the rest of his contract so getting 18 months of a six-figure salary to not go to work is pretty genius.

[@DMWayne-ke7fl]

Sternberg's theories are rejected by the mainstream intelligence researchers. That is the grand irony of wisecrack's video.

[@TrenchantAtheist]

@@DMWayne-ke7fl Who would the mainstream researchers be? What are the leading theories? I've been pretty unimpressed with most of the books and articles I've found on the subject.

[@atomshizz8630]

@@TrenchantAtheist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

[@kassandrapatrick9064]

@@atomshizz8630 Oh, you mean the paper that gives stalk to the idea that there is a genetic cause for intelligence disparities between races, was highly and pubicly criticized even at the time it was published, and is now over two decades old and therefore only "modern" in the barest sense of the word? I'm not saging Sternberg is automatically right, but this paper certainly wouldn't convince me he's wrong. Over half the scientists asked to sign it before publication refused! It's not reliable.

[@jakefoster5611]

@Aaron Smith Sort of like the husband who claims he doesn't know how to run a dishwasher to get out of doing the dishes, though he is actually more than capable?

[@catedoge3206]

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. But when talent works hard, it's game over.

[@JaggedCanvas]

Nah talent is just a head start. You just gotta run faster.

[@JaggedCanvas]

I know people who are " Talented" than me but im miles better than them now. Talent is just pursued interest.

[@kristijantodorovski1918]

98% hard work, 1% talent, 1% luck

[@G1337wa]

People act like Musk is Tony Stark and he looks like he's let it go to his head

[@avicarnonbagel279]

He acts like tony stark if he never changed since the beginning of iron man 1

[@nataschavisser573]

But Musk is a money guy, not an engineer. Tony Stark he aint.

[@avicarnonbagel279]

I meant in terms of personality, he obviously is not as good as a fictional superhuman science man.

[@mekullag]

Avicarnon Bagel until you listen to him speak under pressure, then you realize he has none of the charisma RDJ has, he‘s just a successful nerd 😄

[@paulinski011]

@@nataschavisser573 except he's the chief engineer at spaceX

[@yumemilee]

I’ve been putting this off - Jared needs to moisturize his hair!! Get a leave in conditioner or a hydrating product for after washing. Great video, as always!

[@dudeist_priest]

He would become too powerful.

[@Im-the-greatest]

Fine the way he is

[@TotallyNotRedneckYall]

I have jared hair 😭

[@Kuja55]

He is achieving those "homeless/philosopher" vibes from his hair. He may not be a genius but he is sure getting some power level cosmetics

[@alarcon99]

Unfortunately Jarred’s genius does not extend to the aesthetics of personal grooming 😭or it is simply a signifier of his humility, much like Einstein 😁

[@ffitzpaty13]

When I think of genius, I think of the Richard Feynman interview when he talks about people who push the boundary of their field. So similar to the Roman concept, but not just a mastery of your discipline, but being able to take it to the next level.

[@HassanKhan0987]

This video reminds me of a quote from an KZbin I watched..."heroes aren't born, they're built"

[@marisa1637]

Yessss! This needs to be emphasized! I am a neuroscientist which means I work with countless "smart" people. But the most common indicators of success are always their ambition, determination to succeed, and most importantly, luck. And let's be clear, the people who seem most intelligent in certain areas are always lacking in others. I have never met a person who is a "genius" in all things and I doubt I ever will.

[@MelancholyCrypto]

Spot on! Genius worshiping is not healthy.

[@johnlewis8934]

It’s really not especially when we expect one person to know everything, when we shouldn’t. We should go to the experts in that field to tell us how we should handle that situation. Not someone who has never work or studied in that field before.

[@lepmuhangpa]

Agreed, their good work yes but they're not to be treated as gods. Agreeing with everything they say and do isn't healthy at all. Terrence Tao's statement of a Genius as the combination of talent and proper refinement is very accurate.

[@sasshole8121]

There is only one genius we should worship: Genius Christ.

[@lepmuhangpa]

@@sasshole8121 Ooo stinky one

[@Krusesensei]

no worship is healthy. But to be inspired by a "genius" is not the dumbest thing

[@jimpachi98]

*Parent own an emerald mine, invests emerald money into an electric car company, gets very lucky* "Wow, what a genius! *Grows up poor but works hard, becomes an engineer and makes Tesla cars actually work* "Who are you?"

[@let_there_be_dark]

Man, I wish more people were pointing this out.

[@KateeAngel]

You got it!

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

The real geniuses are the people who actually invent the electric cars but their patents belong to the corporation so they don’t get recognized.

[@Willz828]

his money came from paypal

[@dexdrako]

@@Willz828 and the money he had to found paypal came form his parents blood emerald mine.

[@robinm1331]

Man... this one is wild to look back on from 2022.

[@robinm1331]

That said, I must question whether musk is a genius in the areas often attributed to him... he didnt found Tesla, for example.

[@devanshrastogi6305]

interviewer- what should be the title of you autobiography ? Magnus Carlsen- i am not a genius. interviewer- and the first line. Magnus Carlsen- I am a chess genius.

[@aepstein824]

I'm so convinced that Jared both is a pilot and loved that game for its flying details.

[@recon441]

Can confirm, I live an exceedingly average life and I was considered "gifted" back in school, ask anyone who's ever been tested "gifted" really.

[@GeahkBurchill]

Rosana Econg I agree entirely. Being told all through childhood I was a Genius created an incredibly labyrinthine complex of neurosis and imposter syndrome that I can often spend a week failing to complete even basic tasks because every mundane action might be a ‘waste of my talents’. Needless to say, I haven’t accomplished any of the lofty expectations from teachers and relatives that it seemed everyone was so sure I’d produce.

[@kharynj6629]

Being classified as gifted just made me afraid to try new things. Fear of failure is the story of my life now.

[@thefishking7582]

"Genius" and ambition are not directly correlated. By the archaic IQ test standard I was shown to have a genius intellect. In truth I just have a wonderful memory. That being said, I am an auditor in a mid-size corporation. I am a cog in the machine. I have never been motivated by money and found that I can be happy with just about any job. I am good with numbers so auditing is a nice fit. Being a genius has little to do with how I live my life.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Well, isn't an exceedingly average life kinda the perfect life? Doesn't really take a genius to see that too much money causes just as many problems as not enough... same with everything else. Too much pressure, too much stress, too much love, too much intelligence, too much variety. Nah, an average life is the ideal... you might be more gifted than you give yourself credit for.

[@kharynj6629]

@Dont Misunderstand I like that theory

[@Xayver1082]

My chemistry teacher in high school would always bring up how he studied under Pauling. It was always condescending

[@abegohr2576]

Oh yes, thia thing about being the disciple of somebody when usually means that they just sat in their class lol.

[@NEETmoreAnime]

I feel like this has nothing to do with being a "genius" or being dumb. I think the problem is that their ego gets too inflated which gets them on very grandiose and contrarian thoughts. For some people this probably highly fluctuates, especially when you have bipolar tendencies.

[@HamHamHampster]

It's all politics. People who are quick to criticize Musk on covid will never mention how wrong Fauci's prediction was. Or Al Gore on climate change.

[@suezuccati304]

@@HamHamHampster and so what? every single person that criticizes anything needs to criticize other things in order for it to be valid criticism?

[@jgreen3473]

@@HamHamHampster they were presented with new information and changed their views on just that. That's what makes a person smart, the ability to adapt. If he stick to his views even if he is wrong that's silly and dumb as hell.

[@HamHamHampster]

@@jgreen3473 ​So how much adjustments have you made with "new information"? Now that you know it's not nearly as deadly as first advertised? I follow the story from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and South Korea back in February. Turns out they were more right than all the western politicians, media, and experts.

[@OlGregDraws]

As an artist, I always wondered why there wasn't a section on ACT & SAT tests towards the accuracy of drawing something, how to balance & better a budget, basic & advanced knowledge of music scales/music theories, how to write & show up properly for a job interview, understanding taxes, etc. All of these require a form of solving patterns within everyday society & problem solving as a whole. Sadly, the true genius is the one who fine tunes their talent as said in the video, and the one who didn't include any of those on the tests.

[@goblinfacegraphics2298]

Speaking as a fellow artist I agree. The arts train perception, spacial reasoning, pattern recognition, and even task completion and problem solving. Yet they are still considered frivolous when discussing school budgets

[@hi-gf5yl]

What would be the point? The SAT and ACT test college readiness, not other skills. While some of the above skills could help one save and earn money and graduate on time and with less debt, it isn't totally necessary as colleges only care about grades, not whether you can afford to attend. The SAT, when used in conjunction with high school gpa is already a good predictor of how well you'll do in college, so there isn't a real need to test additional skills. And those skills might make the test a worse predictor of college success instead of being more accurate.

[@quintessenceSL]

I'll go one better and state the handmaiden to genius, creativity, isn't measured at all. While there is certainly something to be said about intelligence, there are several bright people who are rather dogmatic in their thinking and approaches. While you are certainly going to get further refinement in established models from them, synthesis is often a weak point. On the other hand, you also have very inventive people who lack a knowledge base to inform their musings. I wouldn't even necessarily criticize Pauling for orthomolecular medicine. He simply lacked the knowledge base to see the problems with it (or do something interesting with it). This is further compounded by the overt specialization in the modern world. Gone are the days of the generalist. And instead of thinking that people from several different disciplines might have something to add in understanding and solving a problem, we instead have a culture of "experts" who besides often disagreeing with each other even though they are the most knowledgeable in their fields, are unaware of what they don't know. Even worse- "creative thinking" exercises which, more often than not, are just seeing if you can mimic what someone else did to work through a problem.

[@angelcalderon5680]

@@hi-gf5yl SAT is actually a really poor predictor of future college success. GPA is a much better indicator, SAT scores only really tell you if they could afford tutoring

[@alext.9033]

@@hi-gf5yl Sorry dude, maturity has to do well with college success. So does mental well-being.

[@TheShaylaNguyen]

I thought i was the only one that thought the billionaire “genius’s” we’re acting like complete idiots, it frustrates me because so many people “worship” these guys like Kanye west and Elon musk and believe they’re godly and revolutionary. When they’re only just the faces of what their billions truly represent. People don’t think deeper than treating musk and west like the smartest men alive. The shit they’ve been putting on social media is absolutely ridiculous and there’s definitely more things to have trending rather than useless news like Kanye 2020 when he had no paperwork filled out. An absolute waste of time >:(

[@Flip877]

Elon and Kanye get a lot of attention because they're celebrities and their opinions are often controversial, not because they're geniuses. There are plenty of uninteresting geniuses that get no traction on social media. I'd also be very hesitant to compare Elon's and Kanye's genius with each other. I imagine Elon is a genius in the traditional sense (incredible IQ), whereas I'd be more surprised to learn Kanye's genius can be measured in the same way.

[@Kerm88]

I think you have your commas and periods mixed.

[@titus17]

@The Iguana You mean the actual engineers and physicists working for him will get us to mars. What you said is like saying Bill Gates needs to give us better windows 10 updates.. Bill Gates doesn't do shit like that anymore and neither does Musk. They're just CEO chairmen now.

[@justalostlocal]

@The Iguana "us" lol probably only rich people in the first two centuries because inventions always benefit the privileged first and sometimes only them.

[@CMR10500]

The Iguana I hope you are sarcastic...

[@Valandor_Celestial_Warlock]

Niacin is also a prescription medication. Amounts far in excess of the recommended dietary intake for vitamin functions will lower blood triglycerides and low density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C), and raise blood high density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C, often referred to as "good" cholesterol).

[@joshuachesney7552]

My grandpa basically thinks Linus Pauling is god and I was raised on vitamins being the be all end all. It was so hard to try to deconstruct my conspiracy theory mom and grandpa and figure out what is actually true.

[@googleplexian2036]

You earn my deepest respect, trying to get to the bottom of this, even though you were teched from the begining, that that is just true. I would love to have such an sceptical mindset.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

You need more than just vitamins. You need to eat the whole dang fish!

[@madhatt3r93]

But you did it. Congratulations 😊

[@paskowitz]

Geniuses rarely make lightning. More often than not, they just capture it.

[@markonit]

Great observation!!

[@AxeKick80]

Great quote! Did you make it or did you capture it? 😂

[@guyfaux3978]

Nikola Tesla begs to differ... ;-)

[@pat7504]

Of course he had limitations and had a significant amount of help from his wife but Einstein changed our understanding of the universe. For him to be lumped in alongside Musk is brutal.

[@TinyShaman]

I saw it more as demonstrating a strong contrast between the supposedly similar items, roughly speaking. After all, Einstein was also emotionally intelligent enough to not allow his incredible world-wide fame carry him away into the belief that he was somehow a god who could say or do no wrong. Which is something that has very much happened to many famous people, including the ones mentioned in the video.

[@pat7504]

@@TinyShaman I don't disagree I just don't think Elon Musk is an overtly intelligent person. He is a person who started with inherited wealth who has demonstrated a knack for shrewd investments and works the system (see carbon tax scheme) like any ruthless capitalist, though even those powers seem to be deserting him.

[@TinyShaman]

@@pat7504 Well, I can agree in the sense that Musk doesn't strike me as a Great Visionary, if that's what you mean. 🙂 But I wouldn't get into a serious discussion about the measure of relative intelligence of the two. There are too many factors at play, and while I definitely see Einstein's achievements as far greater than Musk's, it would be too simplistic to say that it's all due to Mr E's superior intelligence. Besides, there's the "apples and oranges" thing going on. How many meters of advanced maths skills are equal to one kilo of investment shrewdness? 😄🤷🏻‍♂

[@pat7504]

@@TinyShaman yeah that's fair enough

[@mezzopayne3571]

For anyone who's further interested in these concepts, I would recommend Peak by Robert Pool. He spends a lot of time delving into the myths of genius and how to attain intellectual performance in your chosen field. Also, at around 13:15, The Dark Knight Rises was credited, when in fact it was The Dark Knight, and yes I have rewatched that movie too many times.

[@kikmi1900]

I thoroughly enjoy how balanced most your guys videos are. I learn a lot and this video is no exception. Thanks for the good work folks

[@DMWayne-ke7fl]

Sternberg is not a balanced representation of the state of intelligence science. Haier would be better.

[@danielblom391]

Isaac Newton: "I stand on the shoulders of giants" (which is also a jab at Hooke, a rival physicist at the time who was very short).

[@KrisRN23935]

Daniël Blom I was thinking about that quote too.

[@yellowflash5838]

also in the context of this video, lets not forget how newton is also an alchemist who tried to find philosophers' stone and elixir of life.

[@rodimusgamer7620]

I thought it referred to the Greek god Atlas

[@JD-hh2qb]

A wise man learns from his own mistake and victories, a wiser man learns from other great mens mistakes and victories

[@danielblom391]

@@yellowflash5838 But at the time there was no science to disprove this, so maybe it wasn't such a dumb thing as we think today.

[@alexfisher9785]

So good, this nails how the historical perspective advocating “Great Men” as driving history is ridiculous. Major moments in history are the result of conatant pushes for change by people who will never be remembered, outside pressures, and thousands of other factors. Some people do unequviocally take the head, and therefore influence and define, a change or movement but they dont drive history. People collectively drive it, not specific individuals.

[@jeremybiggs8413]

Yet (and this isn’t a compliment), the single biggest factor causing systematic and financial change in the World is Trump. And in China, Xi Jinping has radically changed both the landscape of consciousness and the shape of Chinese lead international relations through Belt and Road. Duterte in the Philippines has been a lightning rod for social change through his authoritarian crackdown on crime. In the region of ideas, Marx (and Engles) has probably had a greater influence on the shape of world political thought than any other. I don’t regard these as “Great Men”, but they are driving history, even if they are also shaped by history.

[@ameyakirtane6050]

I get what you're saying, but we also shouldn't consider politicians as single drivers of policy. The changes to the global economy is as much a result of the massive amount of people voting for Trump as it is of Trump himself. The leader of China is also a result of all the forces that caused the autocratic system in China and his power is a result of the support of the police and millitary. The impact of Karl Marx' philosophy would have been zero if it weren't for the people following it and the socio economic conditions of his time. Politicians and philosophers are important when studying the shaping of history but to call them the sole drivers seems a little inaccurate to me.

[@jgfelix]

@Jeremy Biggs Imo, this speaks more of the unequal structure of global relationships if the blunders/policies of big countries like the US & China can massively influence those of less developed countries but less so vice versa. Also, as a Filipino, I will tell you that Du,t,erte's a dumb puppet. He has not changed anything in my country, his cronies (who rly pull the strings) are those who drive the changes in my country. The changes are terrible & serve to only benefit the ruling class. Yeah, Marx & Engels were rly influential. Given our current climate, it's hard not to see why.

[@pzooka]

If there’s anything we know for sure, it is that all history, to some degree, is a lie.

[@nickfuller9254]

Juan Gabriel Felix brother I’m not attacking you, just letting you know your first paragraph was really dumb. “Unequal structure” “less developed”

[@timothybell5698]

I always find contemporary polymaths where I least expect them, like Bruce Dickinson singing for Iron Maiden. Meanwhile: "Dickinson's interests and non-musical activities include writing, broadcasting, fencing (at which he has competed internationally, placing 7th in Great Britain,[128] and has founded a fencing equipment company under the brand name "Duellist"),[129] beer brewing and aviation."

[@SpiralCee]

I was classified as a genius as a child...I've done sh*t with my life. My genius lies in wasting my potential. 😊

[@ArunKumar-dv8zw]

Nah man. Taking pressure of expectations is what damages people. If you stop thinking that you have to do something great because society claims you as genius, life would be a lot better.

[@ViniSocramSaint]

Hello there fellow infant prodigy that grew up doing so many genius stuff people wonder how we managed to get a job and still aren't dead yet. How's life?

[@ciCCapROSTi]

Tests taken at childhood are very much meaningless, your IQ correlates more with your genetic predetermination the older you are. So children fluctuate, but will set somewhere along becoming adults.

[@valentinbonnarde9345]

Genius is probably not the word that was used though.

[@anjassharma1166]

Then u yourself admit that u are a "dumbass"

[@MrMeteor1960]

Isaac Newtown was also an alchemist. When you aim high, you aim high

[@SinHurr]

Fullmetal or fullfailure! Go go Newton!

[@PM-fu1zq]

Another thing worth mentioning here is that these "genius moments" arise when smart people meet complex problems at the right time.

[@shaggygreen7526]

This made me feel 100% better about being gifted in school and subpar in real life

[@rw4877]

Wow same. It's like when you get good grades in school, suddenly you are supposed to be the next Isaac Newton. I believe true genius acts come from a place of genuine inspiration - when you really want to do something, and you put so much energy into it. Genius is a holistic effort

[@silverblue73]

Natural motivation is a key component, being genuinely curious about something to the point of obsession

[@nihilnohana]

Awesome video! This fetishization of intelligence really bothers me. It puts unnecessary pressure on everyone. I tested for a pretty high iq in elementary school and I always had this feeling that I had to prove how smart I was to everyone. It made me annoying and restless and also condescending (which I am very ashamed of). I think curiosity and passion are much more important than any iq ever. Also, the history of genius smells like patriarchal bullshit to me.

[@ilikenothingtoo]

Ben Carson: Brilliant neurosurgeon / but also a head full of pudding

[@benzyl350]

This aged well

[@moonsauce480]

Very

[@mangofruitblast]

This video is brought to you by Mac from It's Always Sunny: "Science is a liar! ...sometimes."

[@dexdrako]

science is never a liar but a scientist can be.

[@mangofruitblast]

@@dexdrako Pretty much

[@andrewrice9362]

sigh.....unfortunately not everyone ^^^ will catch the Sunny reference

[@flytrapYTP]

@@andrewrice9362 the comment literally says where the reference is from, stop being condescending.

[@mrmashhead5089]

It’s almost like geniuses are still Human and to err is to be Human.

[@codytierson845]

Thank you, this is something people seem to be overlooking. Genius seems to mean perfect knowledge and no mistakes to everyome in the comments. It can just be great knowledge combined with an ability to view the world differently from most people, which allows them to have those "lucky" discoveries that make them famous and historic figures.

[@wrinkleintime4257]

Then we should start treating them like humans instead of gods.

[@titus17]

Thanks for telling us the main argument of the video. Couldn't have done it without you

[@TheSuperXNova]

Couldn’t watch the whole video because this simple idea sums it up.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Genius actually means expert in the field and not perfect godlike knowledge.

[@wesleyhudson9560]

Didn't Kant have an entire analysis of genius in "The Critique Of Judgement?" I'm pretty sure he was addressing art specifically, but I'm surprised that didn't come up in the video.

[@ViralWatchMedia]

Oscar isaac is getting so many new movie roles and I love it. He's so insanely talented. Good to see he's getting the spotlight he deserves. Absolutely loved him in moon knight recently.

[@boazshaf]

President of Israel is a ceremonial role like Queen of England.

[@elvillivle]

Wow. Who runs it then?

[@teteteteta2548]

elvillivle the Italians

[@zotaninoron3548]

@@elvillivle They have a President, Prime Minister and a parliament body called the Knesset.

[@boazshaf]

@@elvillivle PM calls the shots

[@lorenzopalpacelli2245]

@@teteteteta2548 Cazzo, ci hanno sgamati. È arrivato il momento di buttare la Pasta.

[@coreymyers5321]

Here’s an idea, “Philosophy of philosophy”

[@gusb6502]

Corey Myers it’s actually called metaphilosophy

[@elhilo1972]

Like the joke. Here's a problem: trying to describe philosophy is like a knife trying to cut itself.

[@maurodriguesxr]

@@gusb6502 you were quicker than me. I would point that out.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

“Science of science”

[@hellNo116]

When mathematics do that everyone in the room scratches their head. I am 90% sure the same would happen with philosophy

[@jonkukski7185]

Imho, genius is partly the ability to intuitively "leap" to a solution as well as to intuitively "see" the next step in some, particular, area. AND, "see" the steps it will take to get there. Therefore, it is, usually, limited to areas in which that "gift of intuition" or "sight" resides. Some, as you pointed out, are gifted with the "sight", or "sound" of music. Others, the sensibilities of wording, and yet others, technological understanding of paths into the future. HOWEVER, it must be nurtured. Both by the environment in which the person resides, as well as the people that surround them. All systems tend to attempt to push outliers to the "norm". Underachievers are pushed to do "better" and, I believe, so too "geniuses" are pushed to reside below their true capacity. Hence, possibly, why the kids that scored those high IQs tended to end up as "normal" people. But, every once in a while, someone like Musk, or Wozniak, or Einstein, buck the system. They deny the power of the system that attempts to push them to normalcy. And, that is how we get the breakthroughs that they provide.

[@seanells2333]

How has Musk actually changed the system? Like caused real change. His “environmental” cars are luxury and cost a ridiculous amount

[@Lestade42]

The true geniuses allow themselves to be wrong.

[@mikitz]

By knowing you may be wrong enables you to find out the truth about the subject, hence becoming wiser. This characteristic is absent when it comes to narcissists.

[@maxpayne930]

Holly shit working CPU ty:)

[@dark4krad]

There's no true genius. We all are smart and we all are stupid.

[@mikitz]

@@dark4krad Only with some people, these properties can be highly polarized.

[@ethanomcbride]

I love this. My students get really caught up in the “fixed mindset” because they think intelligence is something that some people are born with. In truth, “intelligence” is a useless and harmful concept. We can measure knowledge of a subject or proficiency in a skill, but “intelligence” cant be quantified because it simply does not exist.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

"My students", which likely means you're a teacher... which means you know for a fact that intelligence is a very real thing that does exist, because otherwise all students receiving the same information in the same way would reach the same conclusions in the same amount of time with the same accuracy. Your entire job, if you are indeed a teacher, is to bridge the gap caused by differences in intelligence... so rejecting it outright could directly harm your students. I'd recommend reconsidering your stance, for the sake of those you are responsible for.

[@alexanderlopez-guevara5433]

As an educator myself, I have to disagree. Intelligence is real. It is just an amalgam of things that are specific to each and every student.

[@genericname4204]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 read the comment again, then use that "intelligence" or as the original comment would say "proficiency in the comprehension of English writing"

[@genericname4204]

@@alexanderlopez-guevara5433 proficiency in X is likely a more accurate way to measure things like this

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@genericname4204 There was no misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the original comment, just a simple disagreement with the conclusion based on logic and evidence. Proficiency in an area is a combination of knowledge of that field, practice in applying that knowledge, natural aptitude for implementing that skill, and general capacity to understand anything. In other words, intelligence is one of the fundamental core components of proficiency to begin with, and as such it is harmful to throw out one in favor of the other. Much like if you were to throw out a handful of pieces to a jigsaw puzzle, you'd never be able to see the full picture. I'd like to clarify something, just to make sure we're all on the same page in this discussion. I don't flatly disagree with the entirety of the original comment, I simply take issue with a few points. Intelligence cannot be quantified, but not because it doesn't exist, but because it would by definition require knowing everything about every aspect of that person... the vast majority of human beings die before they understand themselves to that degree, so it should be obvious why it'd be silly to even try making that judgment of others. I'd also generally agree with the sentiment that it's harmful to believe intelligence is something you're simply born with... that's likely part of it, and certainly plays into your future potential, however like any body part if you don't exercise it, it'll atrophy. Intelligence isn't a constant, it's a variable, and misunderstanding that is harmful, especially for students who should be actively trying to cultivate it.

[@moatplay]

You have to talk about accumulative intelligence whenever talking about genius. So much of the progress today comes from people collaborating over time. People building off the work that came before. A lot of progress seems to come from one person but, really there were thousands if not millions of people working on it and the “genius” was just the lucky person who managed to publish his work first. Darwin sat on Origin of a Species for 25 years and only published it when someone else was about to publish the same theory. There were thousands of people working on the airplane for over a 100 years when the Wright brothers took their first flight. Most of them only made minor tweaks to their design to get it to work because of the wright brothers. If Alexander Graham Bell hadn’t invented the telephone Elisha Grey would have gotten the patent for it. I think the myth of genius leads us to think that if these geniuses never existed we wouldn’t have that progress we have today. That is wrong. That is so wrong. Progress would happen with or without them.

[@kaushiks4607]

goddamn you just dropped a massive mind fuck on me , this changed my perspective a lot.

[@TheOsamaBahama]

A genius is better recognized when he or her can make multiple breakthroughs, not just one. Like Newton and Einstein did. That shows us they really were geniuses, not just men who were lucky to get one breakthrough after standing in the shoulders of giants.

[@josephde-haan1074]

Also especially in modern society it is a massive amount of real time collaboration across the globe. Those at the top are more about self promotion and hijacking credit. Elon Musk is the worst for that. The internet on numerous occassions have solved seemingly impossible problems by using as mass or ordinary minds from all over the world.

[@scottlin3024]

I mean there are individuals who just saw further than anybody else by themselves. Like calculus would be here even if Newton didn't develop it, but people have been seeing apples fall from trees for all of human existence. Newton discovered gravity, not because he stood on the shoulders of giants, but because he was taller than the rest of humanity combined

[@josephde-haan1074]

@@scottlin3024 You are using an apocraphyl story to support your point. Wierd.

[@diamondinvr]

"Excellent singers aren't excellent poker players"

[@abcdef19281]

Thomas Sowell says in his book "Intellectuals and Society" that, in short, intellectuals develop an inflated sense of self that they feel gives them the authority to talk on subjects that they know nothing about. Makes sense really

[@PhyreI3ird]

That seems to suggest the author hasn't really spent much time around non-intellectuals, cuz having dealt mostly with non college-educated people myself (and naturally college educated teachers and the like too) I can say it seems like just plain human arrogance

[@eliasalbarracin5549]

@@PhyreI3ird I would say that speaks more to the point of the original comment, because those people with a high school level education would maybr think they're more intelligent when it comes to living as a regular middle or lower class worker.

[@robertmiller6444]

First a few fallacies: - We know what is _meant_ by "genius" so trying to use a "definition argument" to "prove" a thing does or does not exit, is not an argument. Just because we "define" a word to mean X, doesn't mean what the user of that word means in using that word doesn't exist. A person may mean Y when using a word, but to say the word means X does NOT prove Y doesn't exist just because the word used means X. - Just because we can't measure a thing or can't measure it well, does not prove it doesn't exist objectively. - Just because an expected outcome if X exists is not observed does NOT prove X does not exist. 1. there can be confounding factors that prevent or obscured observable expression, and 2. it may be necessary but not sufficient for observable expression to arise. For example, as is relevant here - nature versus nurture. Nurture can amplify or attenuate the expression of the nature. Now, that all being said, let's go to "first principles". We know that "intelligence" is determined by DNA. If this were not the case then why are monkeys (or any other creature for that matter) not be as "intelligent" as humans? Our brains are different that theirs. And if not due to DNA, then how else is it that our brains are different from other animals? We also know that things determined by DNA are expressed over a continuum. Different height, different amounts of melanin, different propensities to gain weight or to develop muscle mass. ...and brain structure. So clearly, to expect intelligence to exist similarly over a spectrum is consistent with such first principles and to be expected. And to think that it wouldn't be would actually be an unreasonable position to take. Everything determined by DNA is expressed over a spectum...except for brain functioning. Unlike everything else that is expressed over a spectrum, brain function is identical for every human being. Don't think so. And we know this can't be true. We also know that different mental activities utilize different brain functions and regions. For example, things like spacial acuity, pattern detection, "numeracy", interpersonal, emotional, etc. We can breakdown mental processing into it's own set of "first principles" of brain functions. That being the case, we would further expect those different fundamental brain functions to themselves be expressed over a spectrum determined by the DNA. Now, further, that being the case - most real world activities ("problem solving) utilize multiple basic mental functions and in different proportions. That being the case, we would expect that the "genius" at various different real world activities is going to vary depending on the point on each of those mental function spectrums a given individual lies. So an individual who is "genius" at one type of real world activity may in fact be an "idiot" in a different type of real world activity that utilizes different basic mental functions where that individual may lie lower on the specturms. But here is a different take - it is said that people make choices emotionally and then use reasoning to justify that choice. That being the case, even a smart person may choose a dumb idea if it is one that gives them emotional satisfaction, or makes the "feel good" or is just something they want to believe. And just because one is "genius" doesn't necessarily make them immune from this. And then they will "reason" as to why that is correct. And that being the case, a "genius" will be able to construct more compelling "reasoning" as to why their emotionally driven choice is correct. In this case, "genius" is a detriment in that it results in them being better at convincing themselves that at bad or wrong idea is in fact correct and thus make it harder for them to recognize when they are in fact incorrect.

[@julianmunoz6034]

Facts. On top of that people are too loose with the word genius today. If Kanye west fits the criteria for genius than the world is fucked.

[@gudduentertains]

@@shariqtorres563 just wow! ❤️

[@pmolyneaux27]

This reminded me of the podcast "My Year in Mensa" which had a similar take.

[@Fadilanse]

the genius worshiping problem is such a main theme in my life it's like a curse in my brain I just love massive talent, and I'm endlessly fascinated by it, but I'm also crippled by it

[@Ultravenom1]

Tesla and his pidgeon wife, Diogenes and his nothing, and Stirner and his self. My favorite geniuses with their most prized possessions.

[@lgsuma71]

George carlin and his black shirts.

[@ajiththomas2465]

Nikola Tesla and Mike Tyson would probably bond over their love of pigeons.

[@diogocarreira5079]

When I would still visit, my mom made sure to bring up her IQ in conversation at least every other visit. I've never cared about mine after seeing how it's just another thing used to stroke an ego.

[@PossiblyKona]

One aspect of genius is clearly The gift of producing scandals. -Akutagawa Ryuunosuke.

[@AxeKick80]

There are a lot of vowels in that name 😳

[@suezuccati304]

This seems more like an excuse of someone who causes unnecessary scandals that wants it to be correlated with some kind of inate quality to gloss over their own flaws than an actual wisdom piece.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

When the thumbnails put Einstein, Elon Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg on a par .. ... .... we immediately get a glimpse where the problem is.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

@Eric Miret You are being unfair to Elon Musk. He needs to leave the thumbnail too and he too is here for memez. I know you're going to snap at me. But Elon has very little original contribution - Tesla, he just bought the company, SpaceX was basically NASA's plan to privatize space. Mr. Musk's actual contribution here is his excellent business leadership. Yes, Elon Musk is probably a business genius. But not even close to the level of Einstein. Mr. Bill Evil Genius Gates or Mr. Sergei Brin might be better candidates for that. Cos besides being good businessmen they actually have few original contribution to their field.

[@dl2839]

Musk is more correct than Wisecrack about Covid. Being right or wrong isn't determined by who you are, it is determined by how right or wrong your beliefs are.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

@@dl2839 Nope. As a Biochemist, I assure you that Musk owes a public apology for what he said and did about COVID-19. That one moment showed that in the inside, Musk is barely better than Donald Trump.

[@dl2839]

@@aniksamiurrahman6365 We should have never had a lockdown or mask mandate, they violate our God given rights. Covid is not nearly as deadly as is reported. And the lockdown is killing people.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

@@dl2839 44 milion+ deaths later, only a Genuine Christian like you will claim that it wasn't that deadly. want to know how things would've turned out without any lockdown? Go to Brazil. Things there went so bad that people had to be buried in mass graves in the Black Plague style. Even though only

[@themasstermwahahahah]

Terrence Tao is both a super genius, and standing on the shoulders of Giants.

[@neverhuman3975]

Ive had extremely high grades in my educational career and gravitated towards complex mathematical and literary subjects. Ive had so many people call me extremely intelligent but ask any of my friends and im one of the dumbest people they know.

[@Fernstead]

Maybe your friends just don't understand because they actually are dumber. It's not uncommon.

[@trouts4]

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[@slushu_6865]

I haven’t watched the video and let’s just say I’m very confused by this comment

[@OhMajnun]

hey counterpoint: shut the fuck up about how someone needs to act to physically appease you

[@iaprofessional7986]

Nobody asked my guy

[@yrfvidi0t]

@@OhMajnun counter point to your counter point: he's not saying this so that he could appease to HIM but to have better taken care of/looking hair.

[@thegod2291]

What ur trying to make einstein and musk at the same pool , oh ur dead wrong .

[@cracymcgravy3595]

This video just made me realize to be more passionate to the things I love to do.

[@genoveus]

I’ll just quote Syndrome on this: “If everyone’s super, no one is.” I’d like to believe a lot of people are smart, and are geniuses but endeavor to live a normal life than a life of complete dedication to a field that may or may not amount to a breakthrough; others may find it not in a field, but in a habit instead something that’s natural to them such as something mundane as fighting or even body building; Floyd Mayweather may not be considered a genius in the conventional sense that he discovered or created something, but he has a win-streak of 50-0 and has remained unbeaten; Arnold Schwarzenegger a body builder, became an actor and even a governor, which is an achievement in and of itself that I think most geniuses would have trouble trying replicate; I’d like to think everyone is a sort of a genius in their own ways.

[@Shotsfyred]

It's also genius to know which ass to kiss and when..considering your examples

[@cyberdelicxp9125]

Describing Kanye as a Genius....did I just have a stroke?

[@bunniiiko5737]

He kind of is. He has a very high IQ. I don’t like him, but he technically is.

[@teresaellis7062]

I think the idea of a Renaissance Man also muddles the waters of what a genius is capable. Once it was possible to be and expert in multiple fields, but now we have so much more information about the world that it isn't possible to do so.