The new 911 S/T is NOT a driver’s car

Porsche lied about the new 911 S/T. It's not really a car made for drivers and I'll tell you why.
#porsche911 #911ST #gt3touring

[@mikedepalma4085]

I have a ST coming. I will drive it in the rain, in the winter, on the track and anytime I can just like my other cars in the past. I’ve never worried about putting on miles, my challenge is getting the time to get out driving. For everyone else who buys one, do what makes you happy with it.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Honestly, Porsche needs more owners like you! I'm glad you're getting one!!! ❤️

[@AtypicalDriver]

BTW, can I borrow your ST when it arrives for a follow up to this video??? I'm happy to prove myself wrong.

[@l.j.r.8448]

Nonsense.

[@iliralimi3312]

Congratulations, What color did you get ?

[@laqspec]

Instagram? Just want to see the spec

[@ceecee130x]

You're spot on 💯. Gonna put 1 million miles on a 911T.

[@AtypicalDriver]

👏 I am always stoked when I see high mileage 911s! This GT3 RS has 240k so I'm glad not everyone is saving these in their garages - www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/lcrr0j/porsche_gt3rs_rolled_in_with_240k_miles_on_the/

[@daftchiefmasterpunk]

I think we need a part 2. There’s a lot to consider in the Motorsports theater and driving dynamics of the lessened sound deadening, the single mass flywheel, the first 911 with double wishbone without rear wheel steer… there’s a lot that could make this the most unique driving experience to date, even more so than the R

[@AtypicalDriver]

Maybe after seeing this video, @porsche will loan me a 911 S/T to make part 2 where I validate that it's the best driver's 911 ever built! 🤣

[@daftchiefmasterpunk]

Looks like Cammisa agrees with me 🎉

[@costafilh0]

"It's expensive!" No shit! What did you expect when a no-limit production Cayman GTS is $100K? If it's out of your budget, opt for the Cayman instead. Dismissing it as not a driver's car just because of the cost is the dumbest thing I ever heard! If you can't get an allocation, buy one on the secondary market. 1,963 units is not that low and there will be many for sale. Especially now, with prices dropping fast and markups shrinking across the world.

[@nightshifted]

Great perspective! Agree. To add to it-it feels like Porsche themselves are feeding the rampant speculation and flipping of the 911R now, despite hearing they re-introduced a manual in part to avoid that, and ensure people are actually driving their “driver’s cars.” Perhaps there’s a rational reason like production line capacity for the current chassis, but you’d think they’d mention that if it was the reason.

[@AtypicalDriver]

That's a good point, hadn't thought about a production capacity limitation -- though they did say the 1,963 units is because the 911 was original related in the year 1963 it feels a little arbitrary. Or they just think there isn't a big enough market for a $290k 911.

[@tedlazakis5670]

I could not agree more. Most STs are destined to be locked away in private collections, never to be seen until they owner gets bored or the value rises enough to trade for a bigger fish. My 2024 Carrera S has about 1400 miles after only two months. Thats likely more miles than most STs will have in five years. I have been on a "list" to get a GT3 (wing) for three years. That car will be on the track as often as I can manage. Dying with a few perfect, unused cars in my garage when I die is the furthest from my goal as humanly possible.

[@AtypicalDriver]

A garage full of undriven cars is NOT a life full of memories. Sounds like you have the right priorities. Drive the heck out of the S and enjoy it. Miles = smiles. This is the way.

[@ssjlkrillin]

Unfortunately, anything with a "limited edition" designation will be under lock and key, only to breathe fresh air for a Pebble Beach Concours or an RM Sotheby's auction. I think it could be self-perpetuating in that many manufacturers do it knowing it will lead to quick sales and a [somewhat] return on investment with most revenue coming from loss leaders to make up the difference, whereas the prospective owners are looking for a long/short-term flip and are the least concerned with the vehicle's performance but only its exclusivity which = appreciation - the fewer miles the better. One hand feeds the other. Meanwhile, those who would truly appreciate the vehicles are barred by the outrageous pricing.

[@MrVrob8]

The ST is one of the most refreshing sports cars in recent memory... I wish I could churn up miles in this [somewhat] sleeper.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Would be great to see more people out there racking up miles in these, that'd make me super happy.

[@diegodivers]

Even If I could get one afford it (I can‘t), it is too much. I drove a manual GT3 Touring (992). It is an amazing and very special car with a magnificent na engine, but it is quite hard to unlock and experience the potential on a public road. Now I have a 911T on order. I think it is fast (and expensive) enough. And even this one was difficult to get . Many dealers stated that the production is already sold put. Maybe there will be 992.2 T, but we don‘t know yet an if yes, it probably has a hybrid system on board. So maybe this is one of the last pure real drivers car.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Another friend of mine also had a GT3 Touring and drove it all over Europe for a month or two. Said the same thing, too much performance for many roads. You just barely scratch the surface of what the car an do.

[@woogemooge]

I used to daily drive my gt3…it has 55k miles now. With sharkwerks exhaust and cuz it wasn’t loud enough, I pulled a fuse to keep the exhaust valve always open. And now I have a kid and a car seat and use adaptive cruise control for my commute.

[@markallen2984]

I like the "Porsche" decal on the side. (You can keep the number circle, though)

[@AtypicalDriver]

Same, I like this better than the side stickers they're doing on other 992 models that end at the end of the door.

[@thetruthspeaker1978]

If you go to the configurator you can't build this car(black with letters). If you get the new blue it is automatically a Heritage package with both the lettering and roundel but you can opt the roundel off. If you don't want the Heritage package you can't get the lettering nor can you get the cool colored wheels. IKR? Kinda odd and it makes me wonder wtf is really going on.

[@dlstephenson]

300k Porsche, now they are in super car prices for a 911. Sad as these used to be a afordable sports car from germany. now no longer. for these prices its just a porsche not a supercar. these should be driven now they become collector pieces.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Totally agree. The 911 was always the affordable option, accessible to many buyers.

[@DrEMichaelJones]

You'll have an extra $400k+ in your bank account by buying a $70k used 991.1S because no dealer is selling the 911 S/T for anything under $150k - $200k above the $290k base MSRP.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Yikes, good point. Yeah that's an insane sum of money.

[@andyjackson5404]

There is no comparison between the 3.0 turbo 992/911 vs. the 4.0 NA GT3 …. Manual always . I’ve owned both. Not paying 100k ADM for the ST. I’ll keep my GT3 Touring

[@AtypicalDriver]

Fair, I've only driven one 3.0 turbo (992S) and you're right it's totally different from my 3.8L NA car. But it had it's own merits as well -- the low end torque was insane. $100k ADM is insane, smart move to keep the GT3 Touring -- is it a 991 gen or 992 gen?

[@andyjackson5404]

@@AtypicalDriver 992 / 2022 … My 7th 911

[@rubioalejo]

Unfortunately, this piece is not for people with tight bank accounts who can't afford it. It is intended to be used and enjoyed by someone who doesn't have the same financial problem, and perhaps is adding it to a large collection! I want to see what you have to say about the Carrera GT? These young "know-it-all reporters" still have a lot to learn!

[@AtypicalDriver]

Carrera GT is supposedly a wonderful drivers car, but because of the value very few get driven much anymore. A local guy has one here and uses it a fair bit. even for costco and home depot trips (actually his 992 GT3 does home depot since it matched their logo, see here - instagram.com/p/Cw1Ro7QrtEE/?img_index=2). Like I said about the S/T, the SPECS indicate it's going to be a great drivers car and I'd love to see more people racking up miles on them. This carrera GT with 66,000 miles gives me some hope - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKWtnqdrpptqqM0&pp=ygUSY2FycmVyYSBHVCBzYWx2YWdl There is also a McLaren F1 running around with 40k miles or so on it, which I think is wonderful.

[@ovrcmng]

i want the S/T (don't mind paying extra) if they don't sell me one i would go for a used GT3 Touring all day everyday and drive around the world with it

[@AtypicalDriver]

GT3 Touring seems like a good choice! If it had back seats I might have gone for that. (Yeah I know, crazy that I actually use the back seats in my 911)

[@macumbeiro_xx]

From my point of view it is a driver's car, and seems to be one of the best in the world. If somebody buys it and keeps it in a garage most of the time I say good for them, to me it's all about delayed gratification, when you wake up a weekend and you get ready to treat yourself to a nice ride in one of the best engineering achievements you can afford then that's special.

[@theautointuitive3172]

I appreciate this perspective

[@AtypicalDriver]

Thank you! I figure I'll get some hate for this one.

[@banggoodwarranty6351]

Agree about the S?T so I have a Cayman GTS 4.9 which I plan to keep and drive FOREVER!

[@AtypicalDriver]

Cayman GTS 4.0 is such a great car, keep it and enjoy it!

[@garrettstupperware3754]

This car was made for 3 people and only 3 people: Jerry, Spike, and Zuckerman.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Wait, who are you referring to? Jerry Seinfeld, Spike? Zuckerman?

[@filoniz]

$300k you can buy a hyper car! I hate where Porsche is going with this, they want to be like Ferrari.

[@AtypicalDriver]

I always liked that Porsche 911s are sports cars you can drive a lot, like everyday...but this is getting silly.

[@brucefromaz7708]

i totally agree. The faster 911' are limited by the road. The 991.1's are naturally aspirated and your can have fun winding out the gears without exceeding the speed limit in second gear. I only own it to drive it.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Miles = smiles for sure!

[@thorstenwieszniewski6875]

Buy three: one to drive, on for the collection and one reserve!

[@AtypicalDriver]

Buying 3 should put one towards the top of the waiting list I would think!

[@boyracer3477]

There are a hundred kinds of Porsche buyers but I'll guess at three. One buys the cheaper car that he can easily afford. It is maybe a low three or high four but the new buyer got it for a decent price and doesn't mind daily driving it, even if that means some wear and maybe some stone chips. Money isn't an issue, he didn't pay much. The next kind of buyer is buying a Porsche, a cars he has wanted since he was a kid. He spends a lot of money but he feels it is worth it and is proud to be seen it it. He drives it on weekends when the weather is good. Don't want any rust ya know. He drives it but just doesn't want to make it look bad from overuse. The last person spends a lot more than he can afford. He won't miss any meals but it's a big payment monthly for him. He drives it sometimes on weekends and is sure to then detail it and get the cover back on it. He knows he probably spent too much but he is pretty sure he will make some money one day when he sells it. None of these guys are wrong as you so arrogantly want to pose. They each have their reason for what they spent and how much they feel comfortable driving it. But give them all a break. They are part of the club we all belong to.

[@AtypicalDriver]

My favorite is the 4th guy, who this is the 10th Porsche in his collection and he's running out of space in the barn so he has to double park them. Making the ones in the back hard to get out and so they never get driven.🤣

[@tedlazakis5670]

I am a different kind of Porsche 911 buyer. I buy them new because I want to pick the color and every option to tailor it to my needs and wants. Then I drive them as often as I can, even in Chicago winters with my second set of wheels. I get them film covered so I spend less time washing and more time driving. I go on PCA club tours and also track ocassionally. I could afford a Ferrari, McLaren or Lambo but find them unreliable and the owners insufferable. Porsche is more than a car brand, its a family with lots of members and activities year round. I know there are many more of my kind than all three of your guesses. Come to a few PCA events and you will start to understand us enthusiasts.

[@boyracer3477]

@@tedlazakis5670 I'd like to meet you. You sound like an interesting guy. People with your money are way out of my league but I've spent most of my life working around wealthy people and most have been hard working and hard playing. I've worked closely with two employers who collected cars, one who raced vintage very successfully in the US and Europe. It's a fun world doing that. They both worked hard to get what they had.

[@TekGeekHD]

Small correction, base 992 models aren't available with a manual at all anymore. The T is the lowest-tier 992 911 you can buy with a manual these days. Great video otherwise. Glad to see someone else shares my opinion on the S/T as not the ideal driver's car 992 911.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Oh wow thanks for noticing that! When you say base models do you mean non-S and non-GTS? Like the base Carrera?

[@TekGeekHD]

​@@AtypicalDriver No worries, and yes, the base carrera is no longer offered with a manual. The T is now the cheapest 992 you can buy with a manual. The T, S, GTS, GT3, GT3 Touring, and now the S/T (and their 4/targa/cabrio counterparts for models where they're available) are the only 911 models with manuals now.

[@AtypicalDriver]

@@TekGeekHD awesome, thanks for the clarification!

[@TekGeekHD]

​@@AtypicalDriver Anytime! I did a lot of looking while I was car shopping. I ended up not going 992 just because of the size and it felt like too much money for not the driver's car experience I was looking for when upgrading from my 718. I love my 981 Boxster GTS. The mid-engined balance, 6 speed, and hearing the flat 6 scream near redline is intoxicating! The 992's just sound bad imo until you get up to S/GTS models with PSE at least and that's just too much money to justify these days considering you're cross shopping R8's and F430's then!

[@andyz9455]

@@TekGeekHDand sport classic

[@gfy5127]

Just buy two of them, one for the road and one for the garage....

[@AtypicalDriver]

🤣 good solution!!

[@kornonacob]

Truly agree.. it should be called the rare n expensive 911 car .... with the price i would rather get a touring gt3 with an upgrade ecu map n exhaust system

[@AtypicalDriver]

Does the GT3 Touring come with the Porsche Sport Exhaust standard? I have the PSE on my 991.1S and it sounds pretty nice.

The problem is the 7speed Porsche manu sucks in comparison to 6 speed manu which is simply outstanding mechanical feast. Would never choose 7spd manual over PDK in Porsche. Will drive the car on thursday. So we will see. RS was too hardcore for me for street use. GT3 seems to be perfect choice. As of T version I love the idea but they have missed it a bit. It should be the simplest 911 with RWD and manual transmistion with no options to choose from.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Would be cool if they offered an NA engine in the T only. Are you driving the ST on Thursday???? Excited to hear how it is.

[@tedlazakis5670]

That is a minority opinion about the manual. Most reviewers have called the 992's 7 speed manual one of Porsche's best ever and a significant improvement over the 991's. Yes the 6 speed in the GT3 is better but not by much. I have driven and owned both including the PDK. Getting a PDK misses the point of a 911. You lose so much involvement that you may as well get a Benz. Porsche offers the T with options because they know their buyers have different needs and wants. You can order one as you like but other buyers want to customize theirs.

[@hockeymann88]

The items that separate this from the touring; the carbon panels, the gearing, the flywheel, wheels, other weight savings, man, they got me. Porsche got me hook line and sinker. It's all pretend money for me anyway so I'm dreaming of this thing.

[@AtypicalDriver]

HAha nice, well hopefully someday you can make it happen!

[@seandenny1553]

I got lucky and got a 2014 911 S convertible it’s my dream car and damn is it fun every button sport exhaust whoever specked it is my hero I’m keeping that car forever there’s nothing like the sound of a naturally aspirated motor with sports exhaust miles of smiles you hit that one on the head.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Sounds like a great car! Mine didn't initially have the PSE but the previous owner had one installed at the dealer. Great sounding exhaust.

[@DanielleChiaro]

I agree people won't drive them enough but I think YOU should drive one, so then you can make a part 2 and tell us whether you changed your mind! 😂

[@AtypicalDriver]

Maybe Porsche or some kind soul will loan me their S/T!

[@brucefromaz7708]

You never disputed that it would be the best driver if they where actually driven.@@AtypicalDriver

[@charlesn787]

I just get a Subaru WRX and drive it every day, more satisfying than just to park your 300K car in the garage collecting dust. Life's short, enjoy it while you can. A car is an object, who cares.

[@AtypicalDriver]

No use saving it for the next guy.

[@brianhimmelman420]

problems you will never have to worry about … keep rationalizing lol

[@yakub3962]

I'd get the S/T if my dealer allowed it and just not think about the miles.

[@AtypicalDriver]

Glad there are people like you out there! 🙏

[@gtr485]

Any Porsche with that engine is a drivers car period.

[@AtypicalDriver]

I'm sure it's great to drive, but I'm sad that probably not many will get driven

[@byhsu6140]

Is better to get the GT3 TOURING for $100k less

[@AtypicalDriver]

Agreed! Or like I said, even an NA GTS or S model is a pretty fun car.

[@andybroer651]

Hey! I see your subscribers rising nice job Vince!

[@AtypicalDriver]

Thanks! I guess it's worth the hate comments?!

[@andybroer651]

public life has its demons @@AtypicalDriver

[@melondoc]

Porsche is following a very deliberate strategy that they believe will enhance their brand…people go crazy for what they can’t have - the assumption is that if anyone could get one, it would not be desirable. Ferrari knows this, Rolex knows this, Porsche is simply doing what other “luxury” brands need to do to climb the desirability ladder. I think calling the S/T a “pure enthusiast driver’s car” while following this strategy is what’s causing so much cynicism. Because enthusiasts would not care if their neighbor also owned one. The Sport Classic is a much better model for this, or arguably super sports cars like the the 918 and Carrera GT.

[@AtypicalDriver]

It feels like they are going the Ferrari route as you mentioned. But honestly, that is one of the things I don't like about Ferrari, the BS around buying crummy cars in order to get allocations on others. The thing is, Porsche sold 42,000+ 911's in 2022, that's not counting other sports cars like the Boxster and Cayman. But Ferrari only sold 13,000 cars total across the whole range. So, I think Porsche striking a great balance of both luxury and volume overall. I guess my main issue is with their marketing department....the 911 S/T is going to be a great car no doubt, I just hope some true enthusiasts will get one.

[@888mf4]

Nice clickbait title. I really don't think that a car review WITHOUT driving the car is a waste of time. The price is expensive only compared to other Porsche cars. It is NOT expensive compared to the cheapest Ferrari. I would argue that Ferrari dropping the manual gearbox means Porsche are in a very unique space. As for the rarity, the 997 GT3 RS 4.0 was rare with only 600 units made but the 911 S/T isn't anywhere near as rare.

[@Some1Casual]

WOW... 290k or more??? Yeah, I understand P is an amazing car, that provides amazing experience... but... for this car there are at least two other cars one can get and enjoy it... therefore, I agree - this is a collection item multi-millionaires will be able to afford...

[@AtypicalDriver]

💰💰💰

[@markbauwens8033]

Sir, A "drivers car" needs to be low profile and not attract attention, a manual and naturally aspirated. Less is more, so it must be lightweight and devoid of drivers aids. On all counts the 991 R and 992 S/T qualify. Of course on narrow country roads a PDK Cayman would be quicker point to point. But driver enjoyment comes from mastering the car which demands skill and ability and that's what a manual naturally aspirated car offers. No allocations have been made yet, but when deliveries commence summer 2024, I hope to be one of the lucky few to then be able to say "This is the best 911 and most rewarding I've driven." That is after 48yrs of continuous race and road 911 ownership over 27 X 911's.

[@AtypicalDriver]

If you are fortunate to get on the S/T allocation list, please drive it, drive it often, and show the world how wonderful these cars are. No garage queens!

[@rohinullberg3620]

I have a 911 gts manual and a Cayman gts 4 manual....that is a way better drivers car for the street...

[@AtypicalDriver]

Are they also both NA? Manual + NA I think will continue to be in high demand as they get more and more rare

[@KeynSong]

Price and Availability has nothing to do with the definition of "driver's car". This is click bate... Changing the definition doesn't make your point right.

[@AtypicalDriver]

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[@user-ll7qt4df1u]

Gt3 touring ❤👍

[@AtypicalDriver]

Good choice!

[@cowanscott9047]

It is most definitely a drivers car.. What owners choose to do with their cars is their business. No offence.. You sound like so many other disenfranchised KZbinrs who are just salty because they don't think they'll ever be offered a build slot. I've been fortunate enough to have had a fair few sports / supercars and I DO drive them.. My inbound GT3 Touring will get used properly. I put 4500 miles on my last 718 Spyder in just 6 months, 5000 miles on my recently sold Huracan EVO RWD in just over a year.. 3500 miles on my F12, etc.etc. . These are considerably high mileages given I have access to other cars. I also live in the UK which has crap weather in comparison to the US, meaning that opportunities to use them properly is more limited. I even use them in winter every 2 to 3 weeks to keep all the oils circulating in the engine, gearbox etc. . Anyway.. The cold hard truth is... If YOU were on the list to get an ST... You would NOT have made this video, and you wouldn't have cared either.. I've owned 991.2 C2S (13000 miles in 30 months).. It doesn't even begin to compare to a GT3, hell.. even a 718 Spyder doesn't get close to a GT3. You need to have a word with yourself. Sorry

[@AtypicalDriver]

I mean honestly if Porsche asked during the allocation process how you plan to use the car, and sold more of them to people like yourself I think that would be a good thing. But they sell them to a lot of loyal customers (often collectors) which I think is kind of silly and smells a little too much like Ferrari-itis. Porsche needs more customers like you who are out there driving the cars and giving the cars visibility. I heard recently that Gordon Murray is planning a "driving rewards program" to encourage people to drive his T50 and T33 hyper cars. (I think he announced it during Monterey Car Week?) Anyway, I think that's pretty cool he's encouraging those to be driven as well.

[@dwolfism]

Great response! I have a 997.1GT3. bought new. Totally analog, amazing handling fast, honest, but if you lack driving skills while on a fast rally, it can bite your butt. And it has 60,000 miles trouble free miles if you don’t count brakes, clutches,and tires. And with a little luck, I might get an allocation for the S/T…

[@koasizmworld1927]

click bait, you know it is a drivers car according to the actual car specs, its just to expansive lol. ok my bad nice video dude :)

[@AtypicalDriver]

Thanks for watching and glad you thought the video was OK in the end!

[@bigbolo9374]

I like 991.1 s

[@aaronmedina6330]

or 991.1 GTS

[@AtypicalDriver]

Me too, though I'm a bit biased since that's what I've got. :)

[@AtypicalDriver]

I think the 991.1GTS would be the car I'd get if I were forced to get rid of mine or if it were wrecked/stolen/etc. But I'd de-badge it like my S is also.

[@arielromero7483]

To expensive, unreal..

[@AtypicalDriver]

Bring lots and lots of 💰

[@cdres74]

The ST is a money is a money grab

[@AtypicalDriver]

I finally saw one on the road this week, are they being delivered?

[@banggoodwarranty6351]

4.0

[@AtypicalDriver]

Bigger than in my 911! (3.8)

[@restreflex]

I'm from germany and can not relate to this 3:40 🙂

[@jasmindzafcic]

911 turbo S 😂

[@AtypicalDriver]

🙌

[@terminatedphil]

The 911 S/T is a drivers car, you are just pissed you can't get one 😊

[@AtypicalDriver]

I know right! I've been crying in the dealers parking lot trying to get an allocation. 😭

[@terminatedphil]

@@AtypicalDriver I stick to my 981 GT4, that's all the car I will ever need.

[@AtypicalDriver]

@@terminatedphil GT4 is a great car!!

[@dme28]

Expensive is relativ, 5$ baguette is also not a cheap food for the homeless ;-)

[@AtypicalDriver]

🥖 for sure.