The New Cleveland

[@Flamuu]

A 10p Captain and a Stock Hull certainly made this game a bit more challenging, but the end result was still good. Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu

[@cjmpaja]

Flamu cleveland's stock hull manuverability is decent for a CL. Can epic kite enemy ships and do epic shellbeats...

[@Dysphoricsmile]

Flamu seriously, I pick IFHE BEFORE concealment for T7+ 152mm cruisers! Especially the Kutuzov and Mogami, but even Chapayev and Belfast as well. Its not like the concealment is terrible without it, especially when you are going to be firing from cover so often with USN 152s.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

Wait, so 25mm WILL shatter 152mm HE? I thought it was good for up to 25mm without IFHE... Well if it is good for 32mm WITH IFHE, and I am fairly certain from much experience in Kutuzov that IFHE 152 will pen 32mm of armor, then what I have just commented is DOUBLY true! Not being able to damage 25mm of armor with HE at tier 8 is disastrous!

[@seppllseppll4517]

22:39 Wait, demo exp 3 + AFT 4 + IFHE 4 + 10 pts already used = 21 Flamu ? :D

[@m_swizzy22]

And that’s why, it was worth grinding my ass off with the commander XP flags and all, I went from a 10 point captain to a 19 point captain in 2 days.. with the flags running out in the meantime

[@MoA-Reload...]

"some people say its over powered..." guess they never played CBT Cleveland :p

[@theworldsthreat]

I remember the old captain skills where AFT and BFT both affected 6in guns. What a wonderful time, that was.

[@madamurdur6404]

Cock and ball torture???

[@OrlitC]

Still the best guy for any sort of commentary. Keep up your good work Flamu! :)

[@Halinspark]

I suspect a lot of people are struggling because at T6, Cleveland's armor wasn't very like a light cruiser. You could be more aggressive with her before and get away with it.

[@Tdzilla1]

You're 100% right on that, was playing last night and saw Clevelands charge in like they were battleships or heavy cruisers. It was pretty funny to watch.

[@FlakeSE]

Wow... Ok, I thought I just really sucked at this game but this video really helped a LOT with playing this boat. Thousand thanks Flamu!

Flamu thank you for advising to choose IFHE for Cleveland. By that, I just reached 186k damage on my Cleveland as my highest. This ship has so much potential as it had in the beginning of open beta. Amazingly, I tanked 50 Neptune AP shells for almost 0 damage when I angled just enough to shoot all turrets. Thank you man for incredible work.

[@rmsjern]

I miss the old T6 cleveland :(

[@Lukos0036]

imo I enjoy the T8 Cleveland more than at it's old tier.

[@firehot427]

They need to give it it's old arc before they nerfed it.

[@old_guard2431]

Amen, brother. Take the &*$% parachutes off of the shells.

[@letters-fq5qd]

I understand why people like this ship...but MY GOD that slow shell velocity ruins the whole experience for me...

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

because rekts planes in a second

[@jiawoeil2466]

10:55 shoots friendly cleveland, gets pink name.

[@batrastardly4574]

Wow, no mistake can get by you, eh? Do you hold yourself to the same standard?

[@jiawoeil2466]

of course, my reflexes are too fast, I will catch them

[@CareraDrift]

So it’s basically not competitive in its T8 Version

[@gamelard1963]

no, lol the baltimore on the other hand.

[@greasemonkey6362]

Thank You Flamu for showing us the stock ship and 10 point captain as this is what most of us will have . so now starts the grind to elite her :)

[@Kwolfx]

I tried playing the new Cleveland in a co-op game just to get a feel for it, so I only had an 8-point captain and a stock hull. A DD spotted a cruiser turning broadside to me; to avoid torpedoes from the DD. I was in the open starting to turn away and heading for island cover. Normally I wouldn't have opened fire as soon as I did but I wanted to see how well my AP worked on this cruiser. Though I got some decent damage, it wasn't worth it. A bot Alabama fired a volley at me from it's two front turrets and dev struck me before I could get behind an island. I was perfectly angled if I had been kitting away from most tier 5 and 6 battleship, but I might as well have not even tried to angle in this case. Except when you get to face tier 6 battleships, as Flamu said, you will be hugging islands in the new Cleveland. Perhaps the Cleveland will be useful in the new T8 scenarios Wargaming is working on, because I'm not enthused about playing this ship in random games.

[@kevadu]

With a 10 point captain on the new Cleveland I would honestly go IFHE before concealment. Her stock concealment is not bad and you really need IFHE if you're going to be fighting against T10 and such.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Stock hull and 10 point captain is where I am right now (don't even have the extended range fire control), and I also took CE, so this is actually a useful match for me.

[@batrastardly4574]

Extended Range on those arcs? With the extended detection penalty? You'll be just another Cleveland camping behind an island begging for a lucky hit on a stationary target.

[@jeffohara6483]

"That's basic math my friend"...classic Flamu, love it. Great content as always. Glad to hear you're seeming to be finally feeling well.

[@freetolook3727]

On the test server I found the new Cleveland quishy at tier 8. 1)Didn't take much to get obliterated. 2) Something was missing. Range of shells maybe? 3) AP shells are utterly useless. Most just bounce off unless exactly perpendicular. 4) HE shells don't start fires like old Cleveland.

[@azraelswrd]

Definitely saw a lack of fires too when I was using the Cleve, but otherwise it was still the old fragile Cleve that needs island armor to shoot behind. I definitely like her more than the T6 Pensa.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

#4 would be due to higher fire resistance.

[@azraelswrd]

Good point. At T8, I usually stick to AP so I forgot about the diminishing returns on HE. I respec'd and went DE + IFHE + both fire flags and it was a marked improvement in both fires and performance.

[@duckcanister6073]

I feel like the Cleveland is average for its tier, however since t8s are always put against t10s, it needs some kind of buff.

[@haza4565]

Yeh the Cleveland really is average, it is a massive struggle to play at tier 8, due to its terrible arcs and really bad range..

[@captainhaddock9047]

yeah its a really really Bad Ship....183K and witherer after 5 Minutes in a Tier 10 Game.....Buff pls WG

[@FevnorTheWolf]

Haddock, this is flamu, he isn't the average player. Besides, again its flamu, and he didn't do 200k+ with Kraken and Double and such. so ship must be underpowered! /s lol

[@TheReignss]

it's not average, it's fucking garbage

[@batrastardly4574]

Yeah, an average T8 can handle itself against T10 ships in skillful hands. Cleveland is now another Pensacola.

[@Zipanguish]

"Tears of the Cruisers" ... Laughed so hard I heard none of what was said the next minute.

[@tonkatoytruck]

just grinding the rest of the American light cruiser and currently grinding the Clevland in 2020. Do you have time for an update with recommended build and commander skills in current meta? Really enjoyed the Helena, and I am a Chapayev fan.

[@queueray3658]

Recommendation for you. It would be really nice to see a video about the state of radar in the game. Do you think that radar in it's current form is a good, or bad thing for the game? Would you see it changed or tweaked in a certain way? How do you think the Cruiser vs Destroy relation would have to change if cruiser radar became line of sight, as some are suggesting? Would be a really neat idea for a video!

[@tomriley5790]

Thanks for this! Hope at some point to get reviews of the New New Orleans, Baltimore and Pensa at some point.

[@Chandler7157]

Flamu, can you make a Video on How to US Light Cruiser and How to US Heavy Cruiser? Thanks.

[@mammothmk3355]

Well, your team carrier is an Exxes, while their team have a Taiho, so of course your team' CV will struggle. :)

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

Essex actually doesnt struggle that much against Taiho bcs of larger fighter squads while having two of them just like a common Taiho. You just gotta focus on shooting down planes and shielding teammates to succeed in Essex.

[@Alex-gn6ii]

Einfach In addition to being lower tier fighters and being able to take advantage of the 1 point captain perk to increase fighter DPS. They don't have the speed to chase Taiho planes, but they do have great defensive capabilities

[@lorenzodeho1327]

Fantastic review as usual, thank you Flamu.

[@CJxSea]

Good lord, but what wouldn't I give to have the "old" Cleveland's shell velocity back right about now...

[@iamplay797]

flamu how do you look over island with your camera??? in that match you are doing that i didnt know that was possible

[@thomaswyatt1703]

iamplay just hit m key twice fast

[@MrHydenSeek]

Cleveland's reputation is now stronger than the actual ship.

[@iron_side5674]

I personally would like the old 16.something km range back but the 15.6 is gona have to do i guess. Not really an issue of being able to fire effectively, but rather to actually be able to aim at that range. The Cleve was effective at max range before and it still is, all a matter of good aim.

[@gblowe62]

Your recommended build is Ultimately: PT AR SI CE IFHE AFT PM or EL For 19 points. This should help those confused.

[@old_guard2431]

Thanks for the review. Taking into consideration you could take out a rowboat armed with an AK-47 and still have a 100k game, there are issues.

[@Tanis712]

Would using jack of all trade be a viable option instead of AR so you are getting that radar and def aa back faster?

[@PKpinoy]

Heya Flamu. I'm curious what kind of crosshair you use? How to get good like you? ^^

[@bena.9356]

Since it wasn't mentioned in the vid, if you opt for IFHE first, with just concealment mod, you concealment works out to be 10.3km.

[@Javaman92]

What do you think of the new Baltimore? Would you build it the same as the old one?

[@lifeisabrew]

Flamu? Does AR skills really helps considering its -0.2% only? It’s my 2nd day for Cleveland and find it difficult to play with, I need more practise. Hehe

[@tbalmer1207]

probably a bit l8 but any way... yes AR is a must on almost all ships only one that it isnt is khba. lol

[@adrianbenson2521]

Glad you're back!

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

The lack of torpedoes really hurts this ship. I weirdly never felt that when it was T6, but in T8 any BB can bull-rush you (especially if you're hiding behind an island) and there's very little you can do about it. Sure, you can wear then down with IFHE, but they can just overmatch your armor and hull you, regardless. Ship feels usable (if barely), but I literally have no idea why I would use this ship over my Mogami.

[@andh1978]

I wonder how this ship is supposed to deal with Khabas, Tashkents and Kievs except for going invisible? Esp. Tashkents that have a 15.6 km range ...

[@clerickolter]

I would push to tweak the speed and reduce the armor to 5mm, that would seriously help.

[@Vermillion-Tea]

I thought the ijn were suppost to be the concealment cruisers. Oh well guess there just gunna have to be second best at that to

[@kerotomas1]

but they are heavy cruisers, this is a crappy light cruiser, it needs the concealment

[@haza4565]

Vermillion-Tea I don't know when u started playing. But in the beggining the Ijn cruisers had the best concealment. But then the british cls were added and now have the best concealment. Now these us cls will have the second best so ijn will be third.

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

Well if you say that the gap is smaller you either mean that light cruisers are getting worse, or 'stealth cruisers' are getting better. Both ways it feels like you're saying IJN cruisers are getting stronger.

[@Nobbyman1]

Great video Flamu. Came out just in time. I had a 11 point captain on my Cleveland and they put it into the Pensacola so i swapped them out and now have the 8 point capt on the pensacola. I have never had a Pensacola so would you recommend the cleveland captain skills for pensacola also? By the way, what is that green camo on the Cleveland, i bought a camo for mine a while back but it is not like that. Just curious as to what you get from that one.

[@mitchelloates9406]

You won't need IFHE or Demo Expert on the Pensacola to do reliable damage, because 203 mm guns. Adrenaline Rush and Concealment is still highly recommended, because cruiser. However, this new version of the Pensacola has horrid turret traverse - 45 seconds stock - you literally need Expert Marksman before AR to reduce this to 38 seconds - which is still crap. On the upgrade modules, you could go the same as Flamu showed on the Cleveland and do well - however, you could swap out the AA upgrade module for the one giving faster turret traverse - this plus EM would knock the turret traverse down to 32 seconds, but add one second to the reload, which you could mitigate to some extent once you have enough points to add AR as well - you'd need to decide which is more important to your playstyle, longer range AA or faster turning main guns.

[@Nobbyman1]

thanks

[@可撥資工人]

Can you tell me what captain skills and up-grade product you selected

[@AB8511]

What for would you need additional HP? Fighting Kronshtadts? Actually...

[@batrastardly4574]

Your average HE dmg was 225 per hit. I can do more in a Krasny Krim. I played my Cleveland yesterday and it was pretty meh. One match had T10's and with the obligatory 5 BB's per side it was no fun. That's with IFHE and a 19pt. captain. I like the faster turret traverse but when your shells do so little dmg that becomes a moot point. Bottom line for me ... I can contribute more to a team win by leaving this ship in port and showing up in any other T8 cruiser I have. Unless the match has 2 CV's this ship is mostly a liability for the team. Cleveland is now just another "grind-through" ship. For the ultimate joke in this patch try the Pensacola. The massive nerf to turret traverse makes it worse in T6 than it was in T7. Das Bat

[@miked815]

Bat Rastardly he clearly stated that it's a 10 point captain without IF HE. Once he puts IFHE on it, it won't be shattering nearly as much and doing alot more dmg

[@Neomattrixx]

Best summary of the "new" Cleveland. And the Pensa portion, was lucky to get my daily win on it first match, sold right after. No more US CL's for ops :(. RIP T6 Cleveland, you shall be missed.

[@batrastardly4574]

mike815, I "clearly" got that he's not running IFHE. Neither does my Krasny Krym. I routinely check my avg. dmg per hit and 225 a hit for a T8 is a total joke. OK IFHE will help, but not enough to make this ship viable in T8. (the tier voted "most likely to be bottom tier")

[@Tdzilla1]

This whole comment kinda just sounds like American cruisers aren't for you, I played Pensa and loved it, waiting to play my Cleveland until the massive amount of them dies down.

[@stuartenz]

You're in a very exclusive club of people who enjoyed Pensa

[@IchZaehmeKuehe]

I actually have a question concerning the latest update, shouldn´t the "new year" premium camo for the New Orleans be available for the new T7 New Orleans?

[@gpc_4279]

The unique camos stayed with the ships you earned them with, even if the ships changed tiers.

[@IchZaehmeKuehe]

yeah I just logged in and the camo got added today, yesterday after the patch it was missing so I was a little confused, but all is good now :D thanks

[@kainhall]

i did notice something was wrong when i was going 4500 damage a salvo in my cleavland.... yet getting 1500 damage overpens in my BBs when this ship has you where it wants...... GG it tears shit apart but.... i really think it should be tier 7 same stats.... just T7 or it needs a heal PS...... you should have used a bit more AP i feel at least at T6.... when the HE shatters or you have a broadside..... load the AP it was quite effective at T6

[@lusoclemendes7061]

they fix the gun penetration on the Cleveland, its more buff

[@yannmarec3762]

Gotta rebuild my RBGesus altar again😒..

[@zombieslasher2000]

Flamu how did you get your crosshair?

[@BruhPK]

Clevelands now that are top tier are still pretty dangerous, provided they play smart and not flash that keel to every single battleship and heavy cruiser that are in range. But if they go up in tier 10... its...hard. Challenging.

[@jason41a]

'did not break 3k. that's unfortunate' lolololol i cant even break 1000

[@Elgar7022]

Hey @Flamu !! Doesn't Cleveland have more armor than Minotaur? Yet it takes more damage than Minotaur... what's going on with that?

[@MikePproductions]

Elgar7022 overmatch is the explanation. Look it up. You eat pens instead of overpens.

[@jamesshaw89]

I had a terrible time trying to take out Clevelands last night in my Kronshtadt with AP. Maybe I was hitting his torpedo belt? I shot him over and over both angled and full broadside no citadels no large hits. I'll hopefully be looking for a Kronshtadt video from you since it's been released live. I had a very rough time with it last night but it was a very bazaar night with this patch. Really enjoy your videos, look forward to new ones and constantly watch your old ones.

[@Alex-gn6ii]

jamesshaw89 I've found a lot of success with my Kron by sticking around close to medium range. The 25mm nose, deck and rear give you no defense at range, so I try to take advantage of the 200+ mm belt and large HP pool. I've found the sweet spot to be around 13 to 15 km from the enemy frontline. Currently using my Moskva captain, and I'm thinking about respec to work in ammo swap reload. I've initially mounted the range mod so I can return fire on the annoying Hindi in the back line or to take advantage of the flanks on stationary cruisers/battleships, but I'm going to do some games with the reload mod to see how it fares in the close to midrange game. My only concern with the reload mod is the hit to turret traverse, which puts the ship at a handicap against multiple targets in the shorter ranges. I'm open to hearing what you're successful with or struggling with in your Kron, I'm enjoying it so far. It's everything I wish my Scharn was when it comes to shell accuracy. Cheers mate

[@batrastardly4574]

I experienced the opposite yesterday in my Kronshtadt. Taking out Clevelands was so easy I kind of felt bad for them. Maybe you had bad RNG? I was using HE on anything angled, maybe try that. The Kronshstadt is a horror show for any un-supported cruiser.

[@gazgazgaz2]

Small tip for you, upgrade HP penetration 30% then you can get more damage even though less fire chance little. 152mm/6=25.3mm penetration 25.3mmX1.3=32.93mmMost ship skin is about 32mm include BB. Believe me

[@spookyshark632]

The recommended captain build adds up to 21 points. You have to choose two out of AFT, DE, and SI. Can't have all three.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

You _can_ have three, but you have to have only 1 2-point skill and 1 3-point skill.

[@spookyshark632]

The first 14 points are going to be used on a 1 point skill, a 2 point skill, either DE or SI (3 points), then CE and IFHE. To get both AFT and the other 3 point skill, you have to spend 7 more points, which would bring you to 21 points, so you have to drop one of AFT, DE, or SI since CE and IFHE are not optional.

[@lycon7000]

How do you like the french BBs Flamu?

[@fire32njetta]

You mentioned mounting DFAA Mod 1 yet on the NA server thats not in my list of available mods. What gives?

[@old_guard2431]

Just adding that IFHE seems like a better first choice than Concealment Expert. Once you start up the 6 inch fire hoses Concealment Expert will not do much for you.

[@jonathanbaron-crangle5093]

Very nice fighting with a stock Cleveland, 150k+ is very respectable-I suck in her, & will do even worse now it's Tier 8 lmao

[@schmiddy8433]

Honestly sad to see the cleveland get tiered up to 8. I wish all cruisers played more like the t6 cleveland where your armor actually mattered. It was more fun to play with and against back then.

[@TK-fk4po]

I cannot tolerate that horrible maneuverability of the Chappy.

[@Hombremaniac]

Yup., those higher tiers RU cruisers do turn like a brick :(.

[@kerotomas1]

Chapayev, Shchors and Moskva gameplay = camp at long range spamming molotov cocktails (use plane as well), congrats you have the most avg dmg out of any nation's cruisers :D

[@TK-fk4po]

Yeah, I find that boring - although the US cruisers are also made for camping behind islands, they are better at getting away, going stealthy, and killing DD's. Much more fun. I am currently grinding the French since although they are not stealthy, they are fast and manouevrable and good at kiting around the map.

[@kerotomas1]

Yeah for solo play i feel like baguette is the bestest cruiser nation :D

[@batrastardly4574]

Chapayev is a backline cruiser that excells at accuracy at any range, baiting fire, and kiting. To contribute to a team win go for starting fires and switching targets constantly. Do not solely focus on kills. Instead focus on getting your DPM out far and wide. This ship frequently tops the leaderboard with no kills ... in a win. This ship often earns "Confederate" and "High Caliber", both being true rewards for individual play as opposed to Kraken. Kraken gives the illusion of indidual excellence but in reality is earned by a team effort. Has anybody gotten Kraken by doing 100% of the dmg in 5 kills?

[@sl4lrodi]

I dont think i will even bother to play 2nd US cruiser line. That shell speed is just not for me

[@ME262MKI]

So Flamu, what do you recommend for a 10 point cap for the Clev?, IFHE or Concealment expert??

[@andreasmuller4666]

as you heard either one (so toss a coin) is a good first 4 point choice ... next 4 points will be the other skill regardless.

[@ME262MKI]

Andreas Müller i think ill keep the same config that i got on my clev at tier6, as Flamu said, IFHE is a must, i can grind faster captain exp doing damage with IFHE than surviving with concealment without doing almost any damage

[@batrastardly4574]

Lol ... Cleveland with poor concealment while low tier? IFHE does nothing at all afterthe ship sinks. Learn how to use AP. Better yet, learn your cherished Cleveland is now way outclassed and it's time to let go.

[@ofi1238]

I put speed mod on her since she's so slow to help her maintain maneuverability when I'm forced to kite away.

[@Flamuu]

Speed mod? Do you mean acceleration/propulsion mod? That thing only affects the initial acceleration (forward and backward) from 0 to 6 knots. It's completely useless for active kiting. Shame the tooltips don't really inform players about that.

[@ofi1238]

What I want was the boost in changing speed since I often change speed when kiting at enough distance. forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/70767-propulsion-modification-2-some-new-research-and-results/

[@batrastardly4574]

Uhhh, if you know how to kite why not play the Chapayev instead? Or even the Hipper? Firing while moving away with those guns is not likely to be a big help for your team.

[@ofi1238]

Gotta grind for those xp! First for those modules then for the upcoming T9!

[@thebaron6481]

In fact i am also testing the propulsion mod , but the idea because of this is since i play in static positions behind islands i want to reverse as quick as possible the moment i am spotted or targeting me.

[@bobknight6394]

what a sad day for the Cleveland.. :( I lost 1,600,000 ship experience and you removed my fleet admiral commander cost me 500 doubloons to move him back, thanks alot WOW .. think you owe me 500 doubloons...

[@CaptainRednose]

Bob Knight, the ship experience should be on the Pensacola...

[@Halinspark]

There's a mission that gives you enough free captain xp to retrain your cleveland captain for free.

[@azraelswrd]

use the T6 Pensa and get 190k elite XP

[@Lt_Voss]

When I logged in yesterday I couldn't even see the rest of the light cruisers; only the Cleveland was there. There was also no mission for me to respec my Cleveland captain for free.

[@azraelswrd]

The rest of the CL's are coming in the next patch. If you use the T6 Pensa in any battle, you will get 190,000 elite commander XP which you can then use to respec. It's only mentioned in the news update -- not sure why they didn't put a note or pop-up in the game.

[@gusd913]

New Cleveland is awesome imo

[@KellyEastwood855]

I cannot even win a SINGLE battle with this! It gets wanished by the enemy in a second. Even a tier 8 DD can rip his ass syhigh! Costs a TON of XP to get the more competitive modules, but till then you are sentenced to nervous breakdown, failure, losing in a row! This something is more frustration than joy!

[@batrastardly4574]

Flamu, you need to watermark a disclaimer on your vids. Maybe "Your Results May Vary" or better yet "Do Not Expect These Results As I Can Score Big With A Floating Turd". Too wordy? ;-)

[@StumpyDaPaladin]

^THIS^ Flamu: "I always thought the Gneisenau was an accurate vessel ... and then i realized i had highest accuracy rating in that vessel for the entire server"

[@hpwan2]

how about compare this ship with 155mm Mogami?

[@bullreeves1109]

I like this ship, Buffalo is a GOD Though!

[@mariodrv]

So the ship needs at least 34 knots of speed and heal to be viable?

[@animeboy-qy5sq]

I keep on encountering Cleveland players playing like if they were in tier 6 (charging in the cap and getting blown up)

[@t_mmey]

how do you actually that big ship panel on the bottom in port? mod or do you need a certain amount of ships?

[@sirmoke9646]

Cog wheel on the lower right side.

[@FrustratedNameSearch]

They took a great ship, neutered it, and tossed it in a pen full of Pit Bulls. Great fucking job WG ! Lets see what you can fuck up royaly in 0.7.6 !

[@magecraft2]

Did you keep the Hat !!!!

[@mrdeplorable6262]

Was my 2nd most favorite ship in game, so of course wg fiddled with it. Truth is, I knew it was probably a bit op because I'm not a good player, and I had fun in it. I'd like to thank WG'ing for removing some fun from my game. Edit: My wallet is not closed, but I just realized I have not spent any money on the game since they moved the Cleveland. Since I have not been playing as much, did not even renew Premium.

[@drock12_12]

I don't understand something....Didn't the RU server give you the opportunity to play 1 game in the Pensacola that your Cleveland Commander got transferred to, and receive 190K Commander XP to transfer it back like the NA server allowed you to do? Which in my opinion was BS anyway. If you had a 19pt Commander, it would cost 250K elite Commander XP to get him fully transferred to 100%.q

[@nn-db4fw]

If I got 5 fires I considered that fantastic before. I have top hit % as well with some ships having over 40% hit chance. Strange/suspicious to see how Community Contributors have insanely much larger chance to create fires than me...

[@giroromek8423]

Can we expect a range buff once the dust is settled?

[@batrastardly4574]

With those horrible arcs? Expect all except the diehards to give up playing the Cleveland. It is way outclassed in T8.

[@cobrazax]

they should unnerf the cleveland shell velocity to closed beta levels now that she is T8

[@levataine4540]

Am I doing something wrong? I just got to the Bismarck (I am pretty new to WoWs) and I don't even know how to increase the points of a captain..

[@Theo-vn9hm]

The points you can spend are gained by playing in battles. Points are spent by clicking on the captain, and you'll see a screen with all the skills.

[@levataine4540]

Theo Martin but my captain only has 11 points avaiable. I would need 1 million xp to get to 18 or 20points

[@mammothmk3355]

Cito Well, keep grinding the only choice so.... yeah. XD

[@Theo-vn9hm]

Yeah, but you still can get a good secondaries build, I am on the Bayern, but I got a decent idea of what to build for secondaries. I go Preventive Maintenance, expert marksman (you can go adrenaline rush if you want to, either is probably good), basic firing training, and lastly advanced firing training. Remember this is not a build to stay at 20 km sniping.

[@alblator3385]

Merci pour tes commentaires et pour ce beau jeu que tu as offerts ici

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

Still loses to Kutuzov in every way except radar and concealment?

[@fafniroth]

We're going full WizzDcast here bois

[@trumpetguy8371]

The AP seems pretty ok though.

[@mrtencza]

Anyone play the public test, and unlock the special camo?

[@Couchienz]

Cant get defensive aa is second slot on asian server why is it different to NA and EU. Can only get damage control, prepulsion or steering,

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Do you actually have a DFAA mod.1? You need to get them from supercontainers.

[@NichoTBE]

no way, not played for 2 years, clevland was my favorite ship in beta,then they nerfed it again and again and again... now they made it tier 8 lol rip clevland.

[@bobstephens8851]

I'll stick with my Chapayev even with the bad turn radius. I don't see the Cleveland being worth it.

[@felgycat4927]

Ricochet, you take your aim Kiting away, kiting away

[@algeriapower7242]

i did the mistake with akizuki to have concelement expert first then IFHE ,,,,, its unplayble guys, start with IFHE ...

[@djnemesis109]

Poll: So what skill first? like for IFHE or dislike for concealment.

[@kevinhunter7581]

Paul Young that's a good question. Normally I'd say CE, but since this ship should be played as an island hugger IFHE is arguably the better first choice imo

[@faizkroller1996]

Depends on your ability to find cover. If you have good grasps on every map layout and how to use them properly, go for ifhe first. Otherwise, CE is better since it does give you a bit of more flexibility to reposition. And the radar issue as flamuu said

[@Neomattrixx]

I went with concealment in mine. Fires can make up for lack of IFHE in the meantime and concealment can help you get away from sticky situations.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I personally go for IFHE. I prefer the more reliable damage right away and rely on my (cough) skill to position correctly.

[@gee.g.3131]

Good luck counting the dislikes, sunshine YT doesn't count count them "correctly" (afaik it's only metadata they can misuse somewhere else). Anyhow definitely concealment first for me, since the synergy with radar is perfect... I prefer superintendant as my first 3 point skill aswell, so it's more or less a no brainer for me

[@RedXlV]

>says you won't have a good game in the Cleveland if the matchmaker gives you a wide-open high tier map >gets Tears of the Cruisers with a stock Cleveland and no IFHE, gets 157k damage, High Caliber and Kraken Goes to show how Flamu has different standards for a "good game" than us ordinary scrubs.

[@StumpyDaPaladin]

Remember he never says "the" Kraken Unleashed award. Instead he always referrers to it as "My" Kraken Award. Even though there is only one Kraken to be had in any game. If its a game he is in, then it belongs to him. It is up to us to prove him wrong. #TryHard #DoYourBest

[@MrSmithwayne]

I would say it makes it a death sentence for a DD to come anywhere near you when trying to spot. Kinda not fun for any DD player no?

[@ryecel2976]

a few games in and i already have a kraken on a stock ship😈

[@swanky_yuropean7514]

what is the rounding for He pen if it lands on a .5 number?

[@sirmoke9646]

up

[@swanky_yuropean7514]

Doing it in primary school is for convenience. Rounding 5 is not a fixed rule. You technically could round it down. It depends on the calculation method that is used.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

BUT the result is what WILL NOT be penned. A 76mm shell would not damage 13mm of armour.

[@JheregCG60]

Do you feel that the inport UI is even more unresponsive this patch?

[@andreasmuller4666]

Port itself not so much (as far as i noticed) but the chat window ... oh my effing god is that thing slow now.

[@Ermy1996]

Is so fucking slow now.

[@mr.derhoro3996]

pls make a vid on final ver of kron!