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[@KimberlyNicoleFoster89]

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[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

Kimberly how come you never had tattoos, mumbled BS, not a single mother or have colored hair longer fingernails or dealing with baby daddies?

[@mae64khlo]

This reminds me of when selena gomez had a TERRIBLE performance, and all her fans kept defending her with the same excuse, "Do you know how hard it is to perform in front of thousands of people?!" I was like...what? That's literally a part of the job description of being a singer.🤦🏾‍♀️ Why defend mediocrity, or even worse, a lack of talent?

[@ninjaturtles12121]

I will never ever again pay to see her. She's terrible live and no stage presence whatsoever. She's the definition of this video premise lol

[@125loopy]

Selena has no charisma onstage and she isn't a good singer or performer. HOWEVER, she definitely has hits. Her tone is very unique, and whoever picks her songs have found some gems.

[@mrswhite645]

can you imagine sports fans saying this type of ish?!

[@bruhvibes5941]

@@125loopy I would have preffered if her hits have been given to Tinashe..

[@aftertaste05]

Ummm… rumored her first album was ghost sung by someone else. Totally believe it.

[@RachelSeun]

How many of us are actually supporting the likes of Ari Lennox, Fantasia, Mickey Guyton, Melanie Fiona, Amerie, Bree Runway, Tiana Major9, VanJess, Teyana Taylor or even Brandy or Janelle Monae?!!! Some of these black female artists are either underrated or no longer making music because we don’t/didn’t support their GREAT music/voices and complain about what is currently out there now smh (none of these queens make music for TikTok by the way). There seriously is great music out there even from the new girlies fr.

[@latoyahill1172]

YES!!! My alarm is set to play a random song from Amerie’s catalog. Her first couple of albums can be copied but not duplicated!

[@Them_kids_momma]

🙋🏾‍♀️

[@rafiqah4106]

I listen to Ari daily and buy her merch. Waiting to attend a show near me Love her! And love Melanie. Two of my favs! Ari's on tour in 2023 btw. Get your tickets!

[@mariecompere7823]

I constantly stream teyana and ari

[@mzzzzzzday]

Kim has talked about all those people but i think rn she's referencing the girls who are extremely mainstream and pushing to be the next it girl. That said, I love Ari. Most people do.

[@elle.roiproductions]

These new girls aren't built for long longevity because they have no artist development. They just rush the girls out and hoping their looks will get them through. We are in the "fast fashion" era of music. I've been a practicing artist for 20 years and I'm JUST now hitting my stride. Yes it takes years to be great. You CAN NOT skip steps.

[@beewest5704]

Exactly. Nobidy will be listening to their songs even 5 years from now.

[@darkwriter_xx94]

That’s a great way to put it! “Fast fashion of music”

[@angechrisman1694]

@Trinity M Nobody was even mentionning T-Swift lol

[@darkwriter_xx94]

@@angechrisman1694 I was wondering if maybe I missed a comment 😂😂

[@IshtarNike]

I think it's the triumph of aesthetics over talent. Now that we're online EVERY hour of every day we respond so much more to the looks and style of an artist than we do to their actual music and talent. This means super mediocre people can blow up because of the algorithm and just based on their looks and vibe.

[@sylvias190]

💯💯

[@voodeux_badeux]

The demon of algorithm is real!

[@AminaPhilosophy]

It is colorism. Blk people celebrate mediocre lightskins and degenerate darkskins. It is quite obvious what the problem is at this point.

[@Kabeyavictoria]

I totally agree with you but this has been going on since 2008, or a little after Michael Jackson death. Madonna was the first to infiltrate the idea that even a non talented punk can make it through the power of scandal and shock values. Because of her, the mediocrity became more and more rampant. She has a few good cds but is a mess, can't sing or do anything special besides acting trash to be at the center of everything. Our legends back in the day focused on hard work like Jackson, Janet, Prince, Whitney but then you had Madonna... and later on the arrival of the Internet and reality TV.... you clearly no lonnger had to be talented to make it at ALL

[@itumelengthokwane8960]

True. The instgram photoshoots keep people relevant

[@genesisjanae1375]

The new girls have not had as much singing hours. No church choir, no school chorus, no voice teacher, no showcases, no open mics just singing to themselves.

[@MichelleNgome]

Facts. I'm a fan of Ari Lennox but her interview on the R&B Money was telling of this. Also the challenges of Summer Walker has experienced. Good singers but don't seemed to be nurtured in some areas.

[@genesisjanae1375]

@@MichelleNgome yes! Ari sounds like, the first man that wants to marry her comes along, and she’s gonna stop singing. She talked about her music career like it was working at Walmart!

[@MichelleNgome]

@@genesisjanae1375 Yeah, that interview had me feeling some kind of way. I'm a big fan of the podcast and have been following Ari's music since 2016 but it was hard for me to get thru it.

[@TheBlackVelveteen]

Yes! Never thought about this, facts

[@sirenthomas4595]

THIS IS WHAT KEEPS BEING IGNORED....Some schools have chorus most dont anymore i dont think. You can take voice lessons online , but what you need if you want a star is to have them practice , practice, and practice....

[@joelsantiagosays]

Missy Elliott recently tweeted about how record execs haven’t really been trying to hear or promote REAL singing. So much so that they discouraged her from producing/writing it like she had in the 90s/00s…she said she was getting back to it though, thankfully.

[@SimoneintheSkies]

Doja is the only one who seems like a true star, but she seems like she has had such a shaky support system and lack of real friends/people that she struggles in a lot of ways that prevent it from happening. ChloexHalle need to figure out some things but they def have the potential and the talent. With the music Chloe is releasing it’s not gonna happen. Ari should be a star, colorism and white dollars prevent that.

[@SimoneintheSkies]

I truly feel like Black performers were so undeniably better than white ones that the bar just got lowered to their level + streaming made people value entertainment more than talent. If you don’t appeal to white dollars you can sound like Patti but still won’t make it. It’s ruined originality, fresh new music, and the willingness to venture out of your money making box. White dollars don’t like Black art they can’t pick apart and steal, so it has to be within their reach.

[@shippendales8543]

I think Chloe does have good songs but The problem is there is no album so the songs don't feel like they are telling a cohesive story. Chloe might also need to consider hiring a co writer to help give her songs some extra sauce she is very talented but another great writer would take her to the next level. She has everything else going for her to succeed. She's beautiful, she can produce ,she can really sangggg , she can dance and she is very likeable in interviews.

[@SimoneintheSkies]

@@shippendales8543 she’s still young and finding and making her own lane. I think she hasn’t clicked into her niche yet and is playing with sounds and personas, while writing about what she’s experiencing along the way. Where I think she falls short is balance between her dynamics of her vocals and the poppy-ness of the tracks, plus the internet still sees her as a duo and she’s trying really hard to be her own individual woman, sometimes to her detriment. All this can be chalked up to being a young, up and coming Black woman in music guided by the greatest artist of this generation. Once she finds that footing and the balance I think she’ll go from great to a star.

[@lalittl]

@@shippendales8543 really? Chloes song seem very boring to me. Kind of doing the same thing everyone else it doing. It feel like Beyoncé except not interesting or not as well as excited. I like some of the old school Chloe and Halle though

[@omozeidehenre239]

Doechii, as well.

[@Tonia682]

Imagine as a Gen Xer who grew up hearing Aretha, Chaka, Phyllis Hyman and Gladys as a child. Then as a teen having Anita, Stephanie ,Angela Winbush and Whitney be our soundtrack….it’s hard to give today’s artist a pass. I love music and seek out new artists but folks wanna be iconic without putting in the effort.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

idk if its about then wanting to be iconic. I think they're just trying to get money. that lack of desire (to be iconic).. or the reality of their true motivation (motivation) shows in their work (wack)

[@luiysia]

they were stars before everything had images and videos. if all you heard was a radio or a vinyl or even a cd, you need to sound GOOD

[@Colorz.]

Angela Winbush is my girl! A lot of ppl don’t mention her 🤍

[@alisharo58]

@@luiysia 💯. More production goes into the video than the song itself

[@mizrelmizrel]

🎯🎯🎯

[@MichaelTownz]

MADONNA and JANET JACKSON were in their 40s giving some of the BEST concerts in the World. Look at Madonna’s Drowned World Tour and Confessions World Tour. The High Energy, the Production, the Arrangements. Same goes for JANET. Even as MIDDLE-AGED women they were WORKING. There’s NO excuse for these YOUNG Artists!

[@RosetteAckesson]

To be fait Madonna can't even sing

[@Pugbot-mt3kx]

I hope Victoria Monet gets more recognition for jaguar 2 era coming up. Everything she did for the original jaguar era was so iconic the visuals, sound, performances, song writing etc

[@norwoodsstokes3883]

👐🏽👐🏽👐🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💯

[@angelmushahf]

Normani has so much potential. She can sing, dance and she’s gorgeous but I think her label doesn’t support her and she doesn’t seem to have her own identity

[@leab9435]

Give Lizzo her props! Her current tour is AMAZING!! Live singing, high energy dancing, live band..her Special album is FIRE!!! Way better than Dua & 'nem 🙄 And I'm GEN X!

[@mkefashion4all]

I saw her on the free stage and she was amazing I saw dua also and she also good I pick and choose who I listen to when it comes to the new girls

[@karminyates3261]

I would like to argue the Lizzo is like a least in her 30s and as been at it for years

[@holigatis7588]

❤️❤️❤️

[@cappy3311]

Lizzo is more style than substance to me. She had her big girl niche without that she wouldn't be noticed in my opinion.

[@GJ-yl9wv]

Love Lizzo and I agree she outperforms most of her thin peers. That said, her TV performances especially often have iffy vocals. Hopefully she's tuned up since.

[@JazzyBelle611]

One of the reasons these knew girls suck is because they haven't studied anyone before 1999. Didn't Ella Mai say she didn't know who Aretha Franklin was? Fandom and stans are coming before the artists have earned it.

[@125loopy]

SHE DIDNT KNOW WHO ARETHA FRANKLIN WAS??!??!? Yo, I refuse to believe that lol.

[@JazzyBelle611]

@@125loopy She didn't know any of her songs. Couldn't name one. Everyone tried to blame it on her being British, but Adele and other British singers know Aretha. No excuses.

[@roter13]

I can't stand Ella Mai...

[@13579hee]

Most of her audience won't know who Aretha Franklin is either.. so what does any of that matter. For that matter who did Aretha have to study? Like y'all really be saying this as if it makes sense when it doesn't. Maybe the music today isn't for you.. the same way a lot of the music in the '80s wasn't for people who were young in the 50s and 60s

[@sashao.1534]

I’m sorry but the black brit’s aren’t really giving either. Ella Mai, Tems just vibes and no vocals.

[@CharlesWarrenOnline]

I’ve seen JANET in concert twice (in her 50s) and NOBODY is touching her catalog or stage performance! Mic was on! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@latoyahill1172]

💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@ashleyrogers1930]

Janet been that girl. Nobody can touch Ms. Jackson.

[@voodeux_badeux]

Janet was always different from everybody else and she should be cause she was born into fame, never wanted for nothing, went to the best private schools and had the best private tutors. She is wildly intelligent, she speaks in a whisper to make you pay attention to what she has to say…I can go on and on chile 😂

[@theodorafyn]

Easily the best concert ive been to and i am a younger millennial. She is amazing! And shits on the young’uns

[@ChrissyPoo516]

Plays no games!!! There is a reason why she is a LEGEND!!!

[@thetiredfemme3652]

Artist Development is currently lacking. There’s more to being a SINGING SUPERSTAR than just having a voice and being able to hold a note. Some of these new girls can’t even give a decent interview where they pull us in to even want to know more about them and their craft.

[@taylorstep8135]

These labels don't care anymore its all about a quick buck with these viral songs.

[@ayoq9956]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 say it!

[@farahwork2552]

am i missing something. why is this conversation surrounding girls only lol. How about some of the guys they cant sing either💀💀

[@MichaelTownz]

The Record Executives play a HUGE role in this. They care more about how Viral artists are rather than the amount of Talent/Skill and Charisma they possess! The industry is NOT demanding Excellent Artistry anymore! Many Indie artists have talked about this. There are so many Aspiring Artists that are Talented, passionate, and Hardworking as HELL! Executives won’t sign them or take chances on them because they don’t have a certain amount of followers on Social media. The music industry is a SHIT SHOW right now

[@zuria07]

I agree. We can blame the artists but they can only do so much. The labels are gatekeepers and the music labels are in the social media business now. Albums don’t even sell anymore so they have adjusted their business. It’s unfortunate but it makes sense.

[@Mila-eo9mx]

Yes, I totally agree. I think it also has to do with the profitability of the commodification of music in general and artists in particular. They can take a beautiful person and dress them up, auto-tune every note, and create tons of disposable music for profit and control every aspect of it. You cannot create another Gladys Knight. Legendary talent, artistry and skill cannot be mass produced. That's probably the new girls look and sound the same and a lot of the new music is sub par.

[@historytimewithnicole9287]

They don't want dark skin women successful!! I remember Ashanti and Beyonce released their albums on the same day and was successful. Kelly Rowland's first album was a commerical success!! The level of excellence died in 2013. Not even black artists were excellent but all musicians from all genres!!!! Like how did MGK go from rap to rock???? That would never happen 15 years ago at least.

[@annabananaSplitz1]

and for ppl to be saying that the new artists dont have as much experience and resources like diana ross and miss patti is dumb. like they didnt know that those women basically came out of segregation and having to fight for rights that we enjoy freely. there is no excuse for mediocrity and the execs are the ones encouraging it

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

@@annabananaSplitz1 that’s not an excuse it’s actually the truth back in the day there was a law passed in the 1930s by Franklin Roosevelt that made performing arts educational system more free and accessible for working class black/brown communities around the USA this played a significant factor for labels like Motown to have artist development as well as artists already have developed talent it wasn’t until the 1980s when that bill was cut by Ronald regon and due to the massive economic decline from major record corporations in the 2000s and early 2010s artist development was one of the major things that was cut from a lot of major labels so yes it is true today artists lack access and resources compared to the artists back in the day even in the era of the Jim Crow laws

[@ParisLeShea]

My thing is: there is TOO much talent in the world for people to be hyping up the average singers and dancers. If you can’t sing, at least be able to dance and have stage presence. If you can’t dance then you better know how to captivate an audience when you’re on stage singing. Stop giving these girls AND BOYS passes for being barely average. Please raise the bar. And one more thing: PLEASE learn how to do runs and riffs. There is no reason why you should barely be able to sing your own songs live, especially in these bridge-less 3 minute songs. You only have 2 minutes and some change of song nowadays so please show off your voice.

[@connicia]

Glad to know someone sees it too...like what happened to 3 to 4 min songs.

[@ParisLeShea]

@@connicia right! I blame the execs for trying to make an artist go viral and, as a result, the bridge aka the vocal showcase is removed. There is hardly any build up and release anymore and it has just become “vibes.” I want to be amazed by vocal ability or dance ability again (sadly I don’t even expect anyone to be able to do both anymore. We can barely get a two step nowadays unless it’s a TikTok dance lol). This is why the K-pop girls have the views right now because even if the vocals are lacking, they are dancing. There’s no reason why this shouldn’t be the standard, especially since it was our community who birthed the modern pop and r&b sound.

[@ParisLeShea]

@Trinity M If your music isn't made for dancing, point number 2 was made. At least be able to put on a good show, hence the "captivate an audience" part.

[@ParisLeShea]

@Trinity M Also the bigger issue here too is that a lot of the ones who cannot dance or sing well and have no stage presence have live performances that are terrible and then their fans want to be upset when they get called out. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes but if you consistently cannot deliver, then you need to train and work on your craft.

[@ParisLeShea]

@Trinity M It seems like you need to watch the video again because I believe that you are missing the point here. No one is saying that everyone has to be the next Whitney or Mariah but some people have star quality and some don't. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt because your faves fall into any of the categories either mentioned in this video or in my comment but it is what it is.

[@zuria07]

I think the biggest change is that the music industry and social media/influencer industry has completely overlapped. The focus is on going viral, getting endorsements/sponsorships and staying active in streaming by releasing lots of singles and EPs instead of albums. Touring and albums doesn’t seem to be important to labels anymore.

[@A-M4]

Just simply saying the new girls aren’t good and not also looking at the structural changes in the music industry and how we got here is a very lazy analysis to me. If the music we’re hearing today sucks it’s a direct reflection of the times/culture we’re in.

[@JohnDeDominicano]

Black Music Archive talks about this. He explored how politics and presidents rid performance art programs from schools within urban communities. Because of this, the practice of singing has become a rarity for younger generations especially within urban Black communities. Where as music legends like Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston, Gladys Knight, Stephanie Mills, Chaka Khan had extensive practice to hone their craft in dining wither through the Black church of an after school talent program, today's artist don't have that. Which is why you see many campaigns like save the music. Additionally the white ran music industry is not investing in Black talent. They stole and white washed Rock and Country music and every genre of music from African Americans and the reacst elites that run the music industry force Black performers especially rappers to be mediocre to to create horrible music that degrades the Black community. Additionally the music industry force Black artists to be relegated to the urban categories of music to perpetuate negative stereotypes surrounding Blackness while stealing Rock and Country music and every genre of music to uplift whiteness while urban music is used to disrespect Black Americans.

[@A-M4]

Thank you! I saw a tweet saying that the lack of free music education in schools has a direct impact on the music industry and it’s like how is that not obvious?!? Also the Black church is losing grounds as a cultural Institution so it’s not as connected to the music industry as it once was in the past. With these considerations, how are the new girls going to truly develop? Like you can really only get training now if you can afford it, so it’s really only available to people who can afford to get it in their youth, thus driving class divisions of who gets access to music education.

[@chezalepresents]

You're making some really excellent points here! 🎯

[@thecommunity1102]

I gotta check that video out cause it's interesting. I also think that the sheer volume of music and vocals and genres that we listen too have gone up. We have much greater access to a larger body of music than we had during Beyoncé, Rhiannas, and other 2000s debuting artists. Before, you only listened to what was on the radio, your CD, etc. This also made being an IT artist or star even easier. There was far less sound competition. Then The iPad and lime wire era happened. And here we are with Spotify. The dispersal of sound has gone up and there's just way too much to explore. There's an overload of content right at your fingertips. Sometimes an artist I like will create a new song and I won't listen to it till weeks or months later because there's just so much content my mind needs to catch up with. (And other reasons too). Listening to music used to be an activity. Now, in many ways, it's just background stuff and everybody does it. There are also 2 age old problems still present. 1) relevancy garnering $$$ over talent. And 2) there are still amazing artists today. Kelela doesn't make a bad song, The Internet/ syd/Steve Lacy have been killing it, Dram, Thundercats, Kota, too many for me to name but there are a ton of people who have been at their work for decades or who started a little while ago and just had that it factor, but just like how you needed to find your favorites in niche spaces, you also need to look off the mainstream. Mainstream artist have the most general appeal. General appeal is hard to find. Something that'll draw in people from all around is tough, but you also lose a bit of something with general appeal. Not much, just something. I think that people who don't like today's music are listening to too many generally appealing artists. Because great music is always being made. But ultimately, yes. Many of today's supposed to be generally appealing artists are well... not to the standards of the artist that came out in the early 2000s. Something got lost with the kids growing up in the early 2000s. I think 9/11, Katrina, the 2008 crash, and Twitter did some back to back damage that kinda made us fall below the cracks. They called mellinials the "I" generation but nah, the people that raised mellinials were the original self obsessed druggies lol there was some collapse of community and communal spaces that happened and it's really hard to sharpen performance talent in isolation.( It's hard to sharpen most forms of talent in isolation tbh.) Folks tried free parenting around the same time that neighborhoods, churches, and centers got quiet. The weaker the community, the stronger something else has to be. Producers/beat makers are carrying the music industry on their shoulders (as they always have). But this is an interesting topic.

[@broderick7932]

we do realize…. the young artists of today have exponentially less resources, especially with regard to performance practice in early life, to prepare for the careers they get in their 20s- though they have exponentially more resources with regard to music production, basic music theory education, and exposure/marketing- right? we do have a fundamental understanding of how technology affects artmaking right? mediocre is mediocre, no argument there, but there are structural and cultural reasons for these things. Black Music Archive has a great video on this called “Why the girls can’t sing” and even that video missed some points about how the environments in which you train [or don’t train] and under what circumstances make a significant difference in creative and vocal output. But in it, it is mentioned that the great Vocalists/Artists you mention in this video, they sang at home/church/school/with friends starting from age 3, incessantly and with proper guidance. and it was culturally as well as structurally expected and supported that they do so. the values were different. The Black Church, especially the traditional Black Church of the past, was specifically a Black Classical Music Training Program. Because Tradition Gospel is Black Classical Music. The standards were different, the allowance for music to be a primary aspect of a youth’s life were different. Music Programs existed in schools. Vocalists weren’t mic’d in studios, the ROOMS were. So you had basically classically trained vocalists singing on dynamic mics and condenser mics of the past which were often less sensitive, singing to the room, recording what were essentially live performances as they would happen on stage. it was a very different time that created far more capable singers. You want to train as a vocalist today? Spend $$$,$$$ in undergrad or get LUCKY and find a private lessons teacher for $$$ an hour. There’s little room in the lives of the youth for noisemaking, let alone music practice. No presence in the Black Church for a myriad of reasons. No music education programs k-12 except for on occasion. And it’s never been easier to make a Record on condenser/electret mics at a time when we’re expected to quietly make music in our bedrooms. if we even have bedrooms of our own. That’s before we talk about all of the technology available to essentially manufacture performances as opposed to capturing/documenting them. Sure the girls, the artistic youth, need to put in their 10,000 hours. absolutely. no question. But there are reasons most of them have not begun doing so until AFTER 18. & otherwise have put in their 10,000 hours elsewhere. these are important things to consider. as they are affected by culture & policy, just as much as technology. it’s not just “laziness” and it’s not just “TikTok”.

[@luvrbae]

this!!! so many factors make it hard

[@Tobi_Eros]

I couldn't agree more. The culture is so different now and doesn't make it easy for people to take being a musician seriously. The policing of noise in suburban and urban areas makes it so hard for artist to practice their craft. The closure, time and noise restrictions of music venues, clubs, bars etc makes it hard for up and coming artists and entertainers to perform and practice. I think western based record labels not wanting to fund long term artist development programmes like they do in other parts of the world means that we get too many untrainned microwave artist and entertainers. Audiences are also to blame for not supporting new exceptional talent, we, the consumer/audience, are too lazy, time starved and poor to support new artist. Plus, people only supporting artists with a certain aesthetic means there is less variety when it comes to who gains traction on social media and the charts. Overall the problem is complicated and I don't see any real solutions unless there is a huge cultural shift.

[@A-M4]

Thank you! Simply blaming the 22 years old for not making good music and not also factoring in the cultural changes that got us here today is just a very lazy analysis. I’m surprised that Kim wouldn’t take these factors in lol, like it’s not hard to see how we got here. Also labels don’t invest in artist development anymore because they care so much about analytics today. Also with Spotify saying how often artist should release music, of course the music isn’t going to be good lmfaoo. Expecting artists of today to make quality music like yesterday when the industry of today looks vastly different from the industry of yesterday Is?!???

[@itzme993]

Great point

[@luvrbae]

@@A-M4 exaclty. i def expected kim to have more nuance when talking abt this but there’s always areas we can always learn more. def not simply a problem of lazy artists. the way music is commodified, it’s not about the art anymore and more about going viral and staying relevant. and labels are not supporting their artists like they’re supposed to. yall hit the nail on the head.

[@jhaneyhamlett]

there’s a british girl group named flo that’s new. they’ve only released an ep, but they recently uploaded a video of rehearsal and they were running while singing their song. i was like oh finally we got girls putting in work to be performers, bc i’m tired of us grabbing people off of tik tok and letting them skid by on mediocrity

[@NT-fq8sk]

Flo are so dope their vocals give me destinys child running on treadmills vibes like they have put in the work with their vocals

[@SpaztasticSheep]

She knows about flo! I first heard of them from Kim

[@diamond82737]

they're incredibly talented young women

[@LP-ct9nk]

Flo was giving heavy industry plant vibes. They were everywhere for like 2 months earlier this year and now they’ve disappeared

[@jhaneyhamlett]

@@LP-ct9nk i don’t know maybe i’ve just been keeping up with them bc i like them and want to see them succeed, but they released an ep, a new single, two more music videos, performed on jimmy kimmel, were nominated for a brit. even if they’re industry plants, i think they’re talented and i love girl groups so i hope they do well.

[@kriskenard]

i immediately think of Fab Socialism's video about Mariah The Scientist

[@Aquaaaaa777]

Exactly nowadays there are no icons. I’m not trying to be rude or anything but nowadays there are not that many new artists that are releasing timeless hits. I honestly blame tik tok for that.

[@TyRendition]

Nah don't blame tiktok blame social media in general because ppl are more interested in a celebrity life more than just their music like beyonce said ppl arent making album anymore because they want something short and quick like a single. Tiktok was able to revive classic songs (even though they are often short, slowed, or sped up) it reminds of how good music back then was and can promote newer artist.

[@joelsantiagosays]

@@TyRendition exactly 💯

[@mauve9266]

I think it’s larger than tik tok. It might just be the cultural landscape of today because I’ve seen a lot of conversations happen surrounding how we have no ‘it girls’ and I think similar could be said of the lack of icons. Everything’s so fragmented now (largely cos of social media and the internet) that it’s hard to have the same amount of cultural penetration as people did in previous eras- even if they’re supremely talented. But we’ve also gotta stop throwing around the word iconic to anyone who breathes 😅

[@livaliv4238]

I’m 23 and I have to agree. The girls are giving nothing

[@yagurlve92]

speak on it! I’m tired of the excuses. As a 30 year old millennial, I catch myself listening to some of the old hits from 10, 15 and 20 years ago because I just can’t stomach the mediocrity that they call music today. It’s so unoriginal and very forgettable

[@CarolinaReyes-cy1zl]

I recently saw Rina Sawayama and she was incredible. Stage presence, lighting, choreo, and had great vocals. We def celebrate mediocrity, and elevate ppl in their natural talent and not how hard they had to work to put on a great performance👏🏽

[@dia9916]

I saw her in concert too, it’s no surprise her influences are Britney + Janet

[@goldenhourg]

Bish plz 😂

[@SpaztasticSheep]

Yes! She's incredible

[@TreniaP]

Ugh, this is so true. As much as I love Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Amber Riley and a few others, their songs are just ok, and it makes me mad because they have AMAZING VOICES that deserve iconic songs.

[@angechrisman1694]

Fantasia has some great songs tho. Especially on her 2004 debut album "Free Yourself". The title track is a classic, written by Missy Elliott and Missy and Jazmine Sullivan on the background vocals. Truth is, Ain't Gon Begin you or When I See on You on her sophomore

[@wildhearts242]

@@angechrisman1694 Agree. Fantasia’s first album was very good. She’s also produced some decent material over the years. I wouldn’t put her in the same category as J Hud and Amber Riley 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@angechrisman1694]

@@wildhearts242 Thank you. I always say Jennifer shoul've made more soulful material in the lane of Fantasia instead of going the pop route with Spotlight. Their names are often put in the same sentence but Fantasia is the only one of the two who was able to curve a line for herself and build her own "niche" audience. J-Hud's label execs tried to make her go the pop route like Whitney but it failed short. She had a strong musical identity and the songs were not it either Jennifer has always been closer to an Aretha than a Whitney anyway.

[@roter13]

We all know that Patti loves her background singers. "Where my background singers"

[@sandriais]

I just started watching some clips of Doja in concert recently. She is the ONLY woman on this new roster that I would actually watch. That girl gives a show!! Good vocals (not powerhouse), dance moves, AND stage presence. None of the other new women have captivated me or held my attention.

[@farahwork2552]

bruh how about the new guys 😂. There all bad whats the point of picking on women. plus mts, olivia and billie are all rlly good tbh

[@nene5857]

This sums up Chloe. Too many resources, too much experience, too much potential to release the singles she’s put out. What is she at 4 singles now and none have been a bonafide hit?

[@taylordowning2533]

👏👏👏

[@marlowemichaelson1366]

Surprise! 🤣🤣🤣

[@LP-ct9nk]

Have mercy was a hit, but the rest have fizzled

[@thirdeyeopen2606]

I’m ok with the “mediocre blk girls” sometimes it’s like blk women over do it to prove some type of unspoken expectation of what black women should sound like in music. You don’t have to be screaming and dancing over the top . It’s like black women performers have to show out.

[@theogturnip]

at some point we need to stop shaming these young girls who were never held to a higher standard by their labels and teachers, and blaming the industry that only promotes cheap music. if it was easier to make it as a Black person back in the day i guarantee you there would be mediocre singers back then but you needed to outsing EVERYONE to even be seen as a Black woman back then. and even whitney and mariah werent allowed to sing the songs they wanted bc their labels picked more white-appeasing generic pop songs to promote. its still largely the same today (Ari Lennox deserves wayy more promotion than she got and thats prob bc she isnt giving that vaguely Y2K stripper aesthetic all the Black girls are relegated to these days), but some Black aesthetics (which have been reduced down to hypersexual, flashy leotards, dancing/twerking, Cater 2 U type lyrics) are a trend now so its much easier for the likes of Chloe Bailey and Normani to just cash in on that aesthetic and get their coin fully convinced they are doing their best in the moment. Bc they are, eating up the choreo, and have incredibly solid vocals! Even though we as an audience have high standards doesn’t mean any of these contemporary girls understand what that entails especially those who are only guided by fast cash record labels and parents who just wanna live off their money and nothing else. Not everyone has parents like Beyonce who pushed her to be great by their generation’s standards and not everyone is lightskin and deemed worthy of constant promotion like Doja. The 90’s-00’s also brought about lots of producers that love to sabotage and control talented young black girls’ careers (think TLC, the other members of Destiny’s Child, Aaliyah, Kelis, Nicki Minaj the list goes on and on) and its only gotten more covert and strategic in the 2010’s to now with the industry only promoting Rih and Bey alone for a good stretch of years, then suddenly we are saturated by girls who see what type of music gets attention and try to replicate that to get noticed. For their age, it all makes sense, but if they had support systems within their labels who actually cared to develop talent we wouldn’t be in this situation at all. It should not be their individual responsibility alone to do all this work to “better themselves” when they aren’t the only ones creating their image and picking their songs. We have to remember lots of these people have zero creative control due to predatory contracts that target young stars with no industry knowledge. and it also seems we disproportionately place that high expectation on Black girls bc where’s the mention of every mediocre (usually but not always male) rapper or pop-punk artist thats taken over the airwaves recently?? Surely there’s far more mid male artists and predatory record labels we can have this conversation about, but we always target the same girls (Chloe, Normani, Meg, Dua, etc.)… now why is that?? THAT’S a conversation worth having.

[@thedancevalley2920]

Thank you so much it seems like there’s a lot of double standards going on and generational biases such a great in-depth response

[@Kilala.6029]

This is why FANTASIA will always have my heart!!! A SANGER with stage presence ❤❤

[@taylordowning2533]

I agree she is incredible! I saw her live once and she is fantastic!

[@atomicx9158]

This video is a complete truth bomb. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just old because I listen to these songs and they are TERRIBLE, just a collection of noise. Might as well just throw some cutlery down the stairs and record that. I feel like we stopped making stars in 2008. These girls don't have a damn thing except endless IG sexy pics. No voice, presence, moves, style, or stage presence, but their slavish fans label everything they do 'Iconic'. What??? The fact that all of these singing competition shows have 20 year olds doing 30 year old Whitney songs year after year shows the devolution of the art. The poor things have nothing contemporary to emulate. Stop giving passes to mediocrity. This is these people's jobs. Do better. Demand better.

[@Don.M.]

It’s the commodification of the music industry. It no longer supports Art for Art’s sake like other mediums. It’s purely about manufacturing a “product” that can be a quick sell to the populace. If you want “real” talent, you have to go through the chore of searching out underground Artists…or looking across the pond. It’s sad that we’re barely holding on to an amazing artform…

[@125loopy]

Music is suffering the same way movies are. Studios and record labels do not want to take chances. They pump out stuff for tiktok that will go viral for 2 weeks and fall off the planet. They don't want to invest in good songwriting or musicians or artist development. Movie studios do the same thing. That's why most of our media is mediocre superhero garbage and remakes.

[@pb.j.1753]

I wonder what you think of Normani‘s Fair performance at Jimmy Fallon. Cause that blew me away and she shows that she is a true artist and star to me.

[@cindytwo3260]

after 2008? FKA Twigs, SZA, Doja Cat, Greentea Peng, Shygirl, Rico Nasty, Celeste, Doechii, try those out. There's a good mix there of stunning vocals/performance skills/high effort live shows/experimental musicality/aesthetic creativity/je-ne-sais-quoi charisma/reputation for sheer unrelenting work ethic. And if you don't like any of those, try poking around the Colors youtube channel, they consistently showcase a huge range of new talent.

[@MelaninlikeGold]

This argument is difficult because I feel like every previous generation says this same thing about the next generation and what they're into.

[@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview]

Its times like these that I’m happy to have really old parents. I’m 25 and so I have a connection to the past and the present as well. I grew up with JoJo, Beyoncé, and Mariah etc, plus the generational music that my parents shared with me and my sisters. And I just grew up with way too much vocal talent. And the girls/guys suck today. They will never get a pass from me.

[@Jasmine-ot8br]

This! I’m 30 and my mom is 63 as I grew up on destiny’s child , Brandy Aaliyah , heather headley, but also Gladys , pattie and the in era-betweeners like michele However even I can be truthful and say that some of the best singers just weren’t that interesting without some scandal on the side or some mystiq. If Aaliyah wasn’t gorgeous , would I have been drawn to her in the way that I was ? I just don’t know .

[@acfmisc]

What’s really old? Lol bc I’m 34 and I grew up with those artists. Sounds like your parents are of average age for a 25 year old child.

[@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview]

@@acfmisc my dad is 70 that ain’t average. He’s old. And 25 ain’t a child lol.

[@cappy3311]

Lol! I can't believe you mentioned jojo in the same sentence as Beyonce and Mariah! You have 2 Mega superstars with classic hits that will be listened to for the next 50 years and you have some chick who had a couple of pop tunes back in the day. That's like comparing the President of the United States to the middle school hall monitor.

[@acfmisc]

@@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview you know what, my eyes completely glazed over that you said “plus the generational music” of your parents. I thought you were saying beyonce, Mariah etc are your parents music. I was like hold up lol. My bad. And I obviously wasn’t calling you “a” child - I was referring to the fact that you are “their” child. No offense meant.

[@melw9147]

I’m very tired of internet people calling everyone iconic. The bar is in hell. I really only see Doja being a megastar like her predecessors, and maybeeee dua lipa.

[@jpmackey1607]

Who’s fighting at a *Stephanie Mills* concert?! A *Stephanie Mills* concert? Really? 🌽

[@theodorafyn]

People be fighting at every concert nowadays. Its wild!!

[@nicholasKMAmusic]

Black Music Archive did an amazing video about the underpinnings of this issue and how its literally a result of public failure and divestment from The Arts as a society around the 1980s/neoliberal era.

[@DSN430]

FLO recently released a video TRAINING! Cardio and belting! They are coming for everyone because I know none of the other girls are in Matthew Knowles bootcamp

[@Chloeeezyyy]

People forget about the actual legacy and pertinence of the Black church in everyday life for maaany, many years. You can directly correlate it’s decline in attendance and decentralization of its cultural paradigms to the overall degradation of the Black communities it once nurtured. That goes for the training grounds of its performers: great speakers, legendary drummers(their unique talent for complex syncopated rhythms and patterns) and guitarists(gospel, rock and blues guitarists making their instruments”talk” literally came from the phrase “a talk-back church”) , singers and vocalists got “free”, rigorous training (because you were singing/belting out complex compositions and harmonies 4-6 times a week due to the amount of services held. You would regularly have 3-4 on a Sunday starting at 6am, 10am, 3pm and again at 6pm for some. Add all the weekly commitments to that. These were extremely skilled people. Like the average Black churchgoer was. Not just the famous names you know like Aretha, Gladys, Patti, Whitney, etc. That’s how they learned to stand out. Everyone was decently skilled at something, so they had to be exceptional performers to “make it”. You can’t really get that today. People are learning on KZbin and other sm now.) to the other things that I won’t expound on: less nuclear families, loss of cultural identity, musical innovations, overall unity, etc. That’s why things aren’t the same. Even the crowds and audiences are different/more conservative now because of this. Such is life.

[@starcherry6814]

Talent was more important than sex appeal back then

[@vintageincolor]

Even just beyond the 90s and early 00s, if you go back to the 20s-60s MAN you wanna talk about triple and quadruple threats?!?!?!? The singers didn’t just sing. They danced, they acted, they played an instrument or 2, they improved, AND they were beautiful. Watching Dorothy Dandridge keep up with the Nicholas brothers when she was primarily a singing act was INSANE. Watching Hazel Scott look like an absolute living doll while playing TWO pianos at once. The showmanship and effortless flair that performers put into their craft was mind blowing and it saddens me to see that these singers nowa-days BARELY even show up for themselves, let alone their fans, and they don’t improve. And even the entertainers now who have great performances don’t have catalogues to match. They don’t have classics. The entertainers who make good music aren’t getting money funneled into their showmanship so they CANT have both Also BRING BACK THE DAMN BRIDGE! Why are songs only 1:45 to 2:30 these days?!?! Songs in the 70s and 80s used to take u on a damn journey. You’d be listening to them for 7-8 mins and now thanks to the TikTok era, only the first 30-45 seconds has to be good cuz that’s the part that’ll get clipped for a dance video

[@annamariesieberns9894]

Take it to the bridge! I miss a good bridge in a song

[@TheMelody15]

I thought I was the only one who noticed that there's no bridges in songs nowadays. Bridges give songs that "Umph" and usually the memorable part, maybe that why I struggle listening to current songs of today. And the only reason songs are 2 mins or just short is because 1. Listeners have short attention span 2. Streaming purposes (I read somewhere that if you listen to a song within 5-10 seconds it counts as a unit sold) 3. Laziness or lack of music creation.

[@19GENESE13]

Artist development doesn't seem to exist. Aside from Doja Cat and Ari Lennox, I don't check for newer artist. I was ready to go UP for Chloe Bailey, but I'm not her target audience...and that's OK.

[@Laura-sg6ss]

💀. I feel like music comes from within😭! People are not writing or singing from within. It doesn't connect with that part of people that is constant. And therefore, they do not stink. THEN YOU ADD THE PERFORMANCES etc (which also partly ties into producing something that comes from within). It's just not the same. But it's not like ah it's just different coz different era. No. No. nO. NO. It's ass. Some ppl be like don't get stuck in the past, yes we don't wanna romanticise the past but brah sometimes it's the only place you feel you can FEEL the music.

[@Zikomo7]

Agree except for Chloe. Chloe has raw vocal talent. The problem is Gen Z pop music is built around somber beats and subpar vocals so Chloe has to conform.

[@dnicole4236]

Conform but it’s not translating…

[@devineebubechi3463]

But the conformity ain’t conforming though. And it’s not like she can’t make really good music. Her albums with Halle is still one of my favorite albums ever.

[@nymeria1160]

No, she needs to find her sound and make it work regardless. Music that is good will transcend genres. There's no need to conform.

[@taylordowning2533]

Chloe has a phenomenal voice but I feel as though she is truly selling herself short with her current music.

[@MannysMillennialMouth]

Here y'all go making yet another excuse for Chloe🙄

[@Carlyon100]

People believe in these new age singers so much because it gives them hope they too could blow up making a tik tok and getting discovered

[@thedancevalley2920]

I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s because we see the potential in the new singers. like Chloe x Halle even before Beyoncé they were already doing amazing KZbin covers and working with Disney. They’ve been so consistent up until they went on hiatus for the third studio album. They do have what it takes to be great even iconic but unfortunately record labels don’t push artists like they used to I have no doubt, though that they will succeed.

[@nymeria1160]

Kim, if you haven't already please watch "Why The New Girls Can't Sing". These new kids are missing what we had growing up, music in schools & at church, quality music on the radio and shared music experiences with older generations! Their musical foundation is shaky at best and it shows in the music & the aesthetic. As a millennial who grew up on Motown, Janet, Whitney, Mariah, who grew up on stage, I am embarrassed by how mediocre the talent is and how badly they're being managed.

[@renae.peculiar4886]

All I know is I'm tired of going on Spotify and every R&B song has an element of "rap-singing" and "trap &vibe"and I mean every single song back to back. Where's the ballads, where's the bridges, where's the originality, Where's the creativity, Where's the stepping outside of the box?

[@kennethiavail1719]

We celebrate tired vocals and a pretty face. They may be able to dance and post cute looks but they have no actual substance to hold it together r

[@sjlewis271]

Chile...I go to old school concerts only. If it sounds good, I'll buy the album. But if you haven't been out since the 90s or early 2000s...all I got is a congrats and have a great day.

[@ivryrayborn5970]

I’ve been looking at the comments and I would like to state that R&B as a whole has been dying for almost an entire decade due to the influence of rap. Most people listen to rap, pop, and/or experimental music. Most of the biggest female artists are rappers or pop stars who have used rappers to gain a following. So, a lot of the mainly R&B girlies are not going to get a lot of push by the company to get better at their craft or money to market their music because it’s not in right now.

[@100Stratusfiedx]

I hate when people say we’re hating. I’d argue most of the time I like the artist who I’m hoping improves their stage presence. I’m so happy Dua Lipa got it together, because she has bops and her tour was great. Now Summer Walker on the other hand has had some rough performances and issues with stage fright, but I see that she’s doing more festivals and doing better.

[@ronny_ron2168]

Speak on it!! I constantly find myself ditching the music released by todays artist and going back and listening to oldies and throwbacks because the music, the stage presence, and the talent was sooooo much better! I’m only 29 but my music taste is definitely before my time

[@sylvias190]

"Yall just gon have to be mad at me." Not mad when the truth is spoken

[@mmbbee]

as a millennial I feel like we are the last generation that had some GREAT performers...gen Z has no Michael, Prince, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna or Beyonce. They also have NO CLASSICS!!! only trendy music for social media smh...

[@msteach3082]

Sis, you broke it down for real, for real. Thank you for paying homage to these amazing, ultra talented artists. I grew up on their music.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

the industry changed. is it fair to say after Soulja made the prototype for mediocre. He modeled trendy artistry for the sake of getting rich quick. the main consumers and celebrators of this mediocrity are the same ones thinking Missy Elliott was a new artist when she performed with Katy Perry a few years ago at the Super Bowl. theres a pretty wide disconnect with older artists for some reason. and I'm saying 80s, 90s early 2000 artists as older. the ppl consuming music (teens are the key demo still?) have no frame of reference so if you started hearing lame stuff, seeing lame stuff... you think lame is great and you buy and support. Blame it on Gen X. it's our kids and we clearly failed as parents.

[@deseramaxwell2780]

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!

[@theconcealedmistress]

🤣🤣🤣 Truth. No lies told. The majority of my music Playlist is old school!! I grew up in the late 70s and 80s and early 90s. The music was everything! EVERYTHING!!

[@kweenofdasouf1632]

I’m just here to comment on Normani. Her name is bigger than her musical footprint. And while I don’t doubt it’s been harder for her as a darker browned skinned woman in the industry. She just doesn’t have the spark or catalogue for me to say she is underrated especially for some one so heavily promoted. I’m not here for the mediocre light skinneds either like Queen Naijah but I look at internet based stars differently . There are so many more that I could name but I won’t. The new girl aren’t giving. Period! Rappers are a whole nother breed and it’s harder for them period to put on a show worth a damn. Men and women so I’m strictly speaking of RNB. And for those who don’t get with Beyoncé is who she is I encourage anyone to check out her live show. They will be a believer once they see her put on a real show. She’s a dancer/entertainer first and foremost. I agree the old singers are the best concerts. I’ve seen many of the people you named and Patti is second to none and Stephanie Mills is a force‼️‼️ I too saw Janet Jackson as a child. No one even cares she isn’t the strongest singer because Janet is a dancer and gives a performance that makes us all want to be in her videos . Jill Scott is also excellent live. Intimate venues where you can see and hear the power of her almost operatic voice❤️

[@TheDominiqueBallou]

Queen fanbase is from her youtube channel. Musically she aint it imo, Normani is the definition of a studio artist who can be sold as a sex doll. Take away her and others sexual image they irrelevant. Only singer singer of the new generation that is mainstream is Ari Lennox.

[@Zikomo7]

Normani was born in the wrong generation. She would have killed in the Sade era of smooth jazz. That’s where she belongs, but that’s not where we are nowadays

[@kweenofdasouf1632]

@@Zikomo7 I’m not doubting she is talented because I don’t believe she would have made it this far without talent . But I stand on what I said.

[@125loopy]

@@Zikomo7 which one of her 3 to 5 songs is on Sades's level? Please don't insult Sade like that.

[@vizeas]

I like Normani but she doesn’t have much of a personality. She is drop dead gorgeous but what else? I’m beginning to questions if she even has a passion for singing/ performong or is content with just fame.

[@isaacmuth7097]

“Auto-tuned singers should get a 9-5!” -Chaka Khan

[@charityoutlaw4737]

Music in the 80s and 90s was top tier man!

[@dnicole4236]

Y’all saying Ari Lennox but don’t support the music. Something not adding up.

[@A-M4]

We do support the music. R&B is honestly just not as big as it used to be.

[@angechrisman1694]

@@A-M4 Summer Walker sophomore album "Still Over It" moved 175k units the first week in the billboard 200 and broke several streaming records for a female RnB artist. Ari Lennox' sophomore debuted and peaked at like 80 something on the charts. The math ain't mathing. She should be doing Summer and SZA numbers by now

[@dnicole4236]

@@A-M4 then why are SZA and Summer Walker doing pop girl numbers? Ari is just as talented as those two but doesn’t get half the support they do.

[@zuria07]

To be honest I love Ari but her new album doesn’t have a lot of replay value. It’s not bad, it’s just not an album I want to play over and over again. None of the songs really stood out to me.

[@zuria07]

@@angechrisman1694 To be honest I love Ari but her new album doesn’t have a lot of replay value. It’s not bad, it’s just not an album I want to play over and over again. None of the songs really stood out to me.

[@kwadwothestan]

The labels are to blame because they sign singers now based on how large of an online following they have and/or how attractive/marketable they look. Or because they wrote a little song and then it blew up on tiktok. They are no longer looking for talent first.

[@BrittneySharde15]

as soon as it came on I hollard LOL... at my big age of 34 I agree!!!

[@socialite8218]

Not “what’s wrong with your ear.” 😂😂😂

[@shannacollins8371]

Rnb aside, the 90s era of house and techno music brought out the era powerhouse Black vocalists to the genre : Martha Walsh, Robin S., Loleatta Halloway, and Mariah Carey shined on house tracks were big vocals were expected.

[@joshuamcdowell9745]

A girl who people should watch for is Hailey Kilgore. Hailey is an actress, Tony nominated. She is on the show Power Book 3: Raising Kanan. She played Carolyn Franklin in Respect with Jennifer Hudson. That girl can SANG. If you watch Raising Kanan, you would know that she showcases her singing on the show. She has a few singles out now. One is a ballad called "Hold Me." Such a beautiful song and the way that she sings it will bring tears to your eyes.

[@lindadewese6754]

Yes, she is fantastic!I got chills!

[@869ofuncertainty]

😂😂😂😂 the way the content replays were drAAAgging Saweetie. As a person who loves pop my only hope atm is Doja. I know she needs to work on the vocals and the last album wasn't everything but I feel like there's hope in her.

[@125loopy]

I wish Doja had a less shitty personality, too. Her dancing lessons paid off, though.

[@enyonamagbemadzo8684]

Hey last album was phenomenal. It was versatile, the lyricism was amazing, and it was a bop from the beginning to the end. You must be deaf or you just talking out your ass.

[@greynotchristian]

I love love love when you talk about this

[@norwoodsstokes3883]

Thank God 4 underrated artists who get no attention, Alex Isley, Ari Lennox, Cleo Sol, India Shawn, Emmavie, Demae, Joyce Wrice, Amber Mark, & i'm sure it's plenty of more that i have yet to come across those albums, but the one's mentioned...have literally dropped some cult classicz, in my opinion

[@datruth470]

How do you call Normani mediocre? She barely releases music. You can’t even tell if she’s mediocre or not because she isn’t consistent.

[@AngeBiampandou]

SHE CAN'T SING TO SAVE HER LIFE AND HER 3 SONGS ARE NOT CLASSICS

[@RD-zj6vc]

The songs are not well-written because they all use the template of Hip-Hop as their template. Those songs aren't written like R&B, they're written like rap. 2-bar loops instead of real sections of music where the harmony and melody takes you on a journey. As long as Hip-Hop is the foundation for the music the music will continue to suffer.

[@leslieellington9688]

I’m sooooo glad you did the video. I TOTALLY agree!!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

People hype up the mediocre artists then turn around and complain about them being mediocre. None of these mediocre artists wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for y’all promoting it. Also Chloe has the potential but she doesn’t have any good hits. She is an amazing singer and performer and I really want to see her win.

[@kbreezy1581]

Exactly! What's frustrating is that she has done so much better in CxH. Every new single she releases just seems like it's having more and more creativity and that Chloe bailey flair being sucked out of it. It sucks that she seems to be sacrificing her originality all in pursuit of a hit song. For the night was kinda bland and that Latto feature sucked and it frustrates me because she HAS the talent.

[@yanagalkina7677]

We need more people like you, cause you spoke absolute facts! Too many people applaud mediocrity and those same ppl wonder why we lack the same substance we used to get 20 years ago. I completely agree w everything you mentioned. However I do think there are small musicians who are still putting in that same level of high quality effort we expect from stars, they’re just ignored cause the average person has poor music taste. Pls check out Rina Sawayama, she is a gem of today that gives hope for the future of music!

[@tlg-]

STREAM KELELAS NEW RECORDS! now that's some excellence,,,, edit - and her older works, Cut 4 u mixtape, Hallucinogen EP, Take Me Apart... Take Me A_Part the remixes Ok actually just stream her whole discography

[@cindytwo3260]

greentea peng, doja cat, doechii, shygirl, celeste...just off the top of my head. All in their twenties still I believe. And besides, I don't think it's fair to put so much pressure on super young artists, some need time to mature and develop and find their voice. This clip and the one a few months back with FD signifier and needledrop Fantano bemoaning the current state of metal music, when the scene is actually THRIVING....is giving me second-hand embarrassment for my fellow millennials tbh.

[@Noir_Nouveau]

Thank you for this take! It needed to be said and thankful you said it!

[@Charlie-ex8kh]

Please everyone check out the girl group FLO they are for sure up next !!!they have VOCALS and are really giving early 2000s RnB girl group !!!

[@rue3725]

They are talented like amazing vocals. However they can be a snooze fest. Just because you embody an aesthetics that was popular doesn't mean you'll have a good catalog or star power. Their stages are 😴 boring. Destiny's child were amazing vocalists but the girls gave a little more on stage. Flo has okay music.

[@jpam14988]

They just hyped on stan twitter. Their songs not that good

[@LP-ct9nk]

Those girls are industry plants lol. They were everywhere for the last two months and then went and disappeared once the promo was done

[@theamateurconnoisseur]

THANK YOU!! We stan excellence around here.

[@hillarynx]

On the UK side Black Lives in Music 2021 report highlighted the pay disparity between Black Women. Sadly I feel neoliberalism killed artist development (cc: Why the girls can’t sing video by Black Music Archives on KZbin); the elders had space to develop from young in schools to church and musical instruments being the household. Sadly Artist development has moved from community spaces to institutions (who are more time are not anti-racist)

[@hillarynx]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqSsoKqXg6qNq7M - Black Music Archive Video

[@hillarynx]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYO2mqasntNlndk black lives in music and women

[@DJC819]

SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID. EAT IT!

[@CreativeReptiles]

Thus is why i had no sympathy when summer walker complained about touring and not doing anything on her live shows. When it comes to live shows you gotta bring it especially for those of us who witness great tours from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s

[@millennialx9044]

Fandoms are to blame with mass streaming, they have skewed the charts so that their favorites get the numbers therefore they get the exposure and support rather than the most talented people. This isn't just American music it's all the music of the last 10 years, social media is literally the death of qualitative ARTISTRY.

[@chezalepresents]

PRECISELY!!! 📣🎯🎯🎯 I'm impressed by your musical taste and knowledge. I'm at least a few years older than you and I'm very much in the same boat. And much of that inspiration included with my birthright is the reason I'm an artist myself. Even with my experience, I don't look for perfection in an artist. BUT I grew up watching and loving many of the greats in their prime & my definition of ARTISTRY, Full Package Artist, Musicality & STAR POWER is just set up DIFFERENT from this gen. So I feel u. 💯

[@merna5685]

Kim you literally made a video on SOUR is a good album though... if that isn't mediocre I don't know what is

[@KimberlyNicoleFoster89]

Pretending like drivers license, and good for you are not incredibly well written pop songs is just hating

[@LP-ct9nk]

That album is so cringy and I already see people looking back on it like “why was Olivia so mad that a gay boy didn’t like her back” 💀. I can’t imagine how people will look on it 5 years from now

[@aubreejefferson4297]

I hate to keep having to say it, but I 100% agree with this

[@IntuitiveTiff]

Ok!!! We grew up with the Legends!!!! They need to fall in love with the craft and we have to support Our Independent favs! We can't just accept what they push through the airwaves. Great video sis

[@summerlotus1138]

Old school music is so much better than todays music. The music was more meaningful, artist put passion into their music, lyrics, performances! I feel old school artist didn’t do it for the fame! New school artist do it for fame and likes. There’s no passion in their craft.

[@CWA2400]

I love live performances also! I grew up on the greats you mentioned and I totally agree 🎤🎤🎤🎤 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ 💯💯💯💯

[@kahluaqueen]

I grew up in the 80s so I get it about people judging younger music. I listen I try to give it a chance but “iconic” has left the building. Actually icons still exist but they’re NOT pushed by the record companies, it’s a quick sloppy money grab at this point and what we have is publicized slap dash garbage 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Xtinaiyayi]

I resonated with that first clip. That’s all I’ve been saying lately!

[@ladonnawashington1643]

Hearing you lauding our older performers/singers made my heart spill over in joy! Thank you, Kim.

[@littleeva]

I'm old. I think a lot of this started with MTV. Before MTV you purchased a record because you liked the song. After MTV, people started purchasing records because of seeing the videos. It was no longer about the voices, it was about how an artist looked.

[@thetristoneera]

It’s because everyone awarded mediocrity ten years ago, twenty years ago; so on & so forth. So it’s their time to shine, let them have their flowers. 🖤

[@Wanjiro81]

Thank you. I’ve been saying this for years.