The New Radeon 890M iGPU Is Faster Than We Thought! Say Good-Bye To RDNA3!

[@ETAPRIME]

Looks Like My Forza Footage was recorded at 720P, The Game is at 1080 But every time I go into the game my Game capture Switches to 720P, Not Sure If its a Driver issue or Not so footage Is being Removed

[@klikbayt]

@@ETAPRIME thanks For The heads Up

[@leander4107]

How on earth do you have over 60 fps in games when the laptop screen has a 60 Hz matrix?

[@Deeptesh97]

@@leander4107 Bruh monitor's refresh rate has nothing to do with how many fps your CPU and GPU can churn out. It's just that you are visually capped to 60fps i.e. the 60hz monitor can only show 60 fps out of the 200 fps that is being produced by the hardware. You can cap your fps to 60 by enabling V-Sync..but that's a different topic.

[@donoturnback]

​@@Deeptesh97 What happens when gaming 40fps on 60hz display. Probably some same double frames

[@AllenJohn]

Why limit testing at low settings? Anything above 60 FPS rarely makes any difference visually. The graphics matter.

[@Jada_Maru]

When you start getting 90-100fps in Cyberpunk and Shadow of the Tomb Raider on low settings, you really need to start testing medium. I'd rather play both at medium/60 than 90/low, so it's more useful to know how close we are to 60fps in these games at decent graphical settings.

[@netneutrality2024]

like zWORMz, who even tests in 8k

[@ronaldraygun3386]

I was thinking the same. I would have much rather seen if they can run at pretty consistent 60 fps with high or medium settings, still at 1920x1080 resolution (because I feel running games on higher resolutions gives diminishing returns on a relatively small laptop screen, 1920x1080 is fine). Usually my target is that I could play 1920x1080 at 60 fps, with as high settings as possible. I rather add detail level settings than bump fps well over 60 fps, or increase the resolution from 1920x1080. YMMV.

[@hemeon]

As much as I agree with this in a vacuum, if I had to choose one or the other I'd still choose how he did it for one reason only. It's how he benchmarked the previous apu's and without apples to apples it's hard to gauge exactly how much better it is than the previous model.

[@TrilogyIV]

He does this all the time! I’ve constantly watched his reviews and wished he would push higher settings with a solid 60fps target. Even higher settings at a stable 40fps. He’s always SO locked in on higher frames. When you’re getting 90 fps that’s great but if I have to drop the settings and give up draw distance and shadows and fog I might as well just hop into a decade old title and call it a day! Cyberpunk is the WORST too because it’s almost like playing two completely different games between low and medium/high settings. It makes NO sense.

[@Dionyzos]

I would disable FSR at that point. I don't understand how people play with FSR performance at 1080p. Picture quality is too important to me.

[@WuFluChan]

At 15w the 890m is supposed to be able to do what the 780m does at 28w this is what you need to be showing

[@robotsix6268]

890m in the Steam Deck would be insane

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@robotsix6268 it’s not efficient enough.

[@LuminousSpace]

@@fastedwarrior7353 stemdeck use 15w all the time why not

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@LuminousSpace It can use as low as 3 watts. The switch is even better than that.

[@adrianyambao3792]

​@@fastedwarrior7353The Switch uses ARM. Thanks captain obvious.

[@IcaniCorrono]

AMD has told 1000 times that zen “c” cores are not low power! They are the same exact core of normal zen5 the only difference is the amount of cache and no 512b instruction. The advantage is in density, indeed “c” mean compact

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Zen C cores consume way less power than Zen cores because: first they run at lower clock speeds, second they CAN'T run at higher clock speeds by manufacturing process, they are also meant to produce less heat so in order to achieve that they need to be "slow" that means low power consumption, also Zen C cores support AVX-512 natively unlike Intel E-Cores, the whole AMD marketing campaign is about how they support Simultaneous Multi threading and AVX-512 in their Zen C cores

[@IcaniCorrono]

@@reiniermoreno1653 nope, both the core work at same speed, both are at the same technology node. Indeed there is no chiplet in this mobile processor and there is NO WAY that in the same die you will use two different process. You are referring to desktop/server zen5c that are at 3nm respect to 4n of zen5. Of course using a smaller node they will consume less, the reason to use a smaller node is likely due to the lack of cache, indeed memory structure does not scale at the same way of digital core, therefore they had figure out that for zen5 was not so useful use the 3nm. That is why 9000 processor are also cheaper than 7000, they aren’t use the best node available. The lower clock you see is just on the epyc but only because the number of cores is massive. The architecture is THE SAME is not a different core, does not require a complex thread director as the intel processor. Has just less cache.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

@@IcaniCorrono I didn't said they use a different node process, they use a DIFFERENT MANUFACTURING PROCESS within the same node, they literally explained it, and one of the consequences is that the cache size needs to be way more small and the cores needs to run a lower clocks speeds to preserva signal integrity

[@IcaniCorrono]

@@reiniermoreno1653 how to tell me you have no clue at all about semiconductors industry without telling me…. Do you realize what is a manufacturing process? You CANNOT have two different manufacturing process, again Zen 5 is at 4nm (which is a manufacturing process), Zen 5c is at 3nm (different manufacturing process) but this is only in desktop/server CCD where they use chipsets. The die of this is monolithic at 4nm, therefore there is one and only one manufacturing process. AMD has explained it to people like you that the architecture is the same, what change is only the amount of cache, this leads to an higher density even at the same node. With zen5 they decide to use to different node ONLY for the product which make use of chiplets not this monolithic processors, it is simply not feasible to combine multiple manufacturing process on the same die. Does not make any sense, zero advantages, technically extreme complex if not impossible and it will cost you infinite times more. Simple NO

[@IcaniCorrono]

@@reiniermoreno1653 OMG, how to tell me you have no clue about semiconductors industry without telling it. Strix point is monolithic, that means it is a single die, IT IS NOT possible to use different manufacturing process on the same die. Does not make any sense at all. The difference manufacturing process (4 vs 3nm) is only on the chiplet version of Zen 5 (4nm) and Zen 5c (3nm). Strix point is at 4nm that means that zen5 and zen5c are the same thing with only a change in the cache amount available to the core. There are no other differences, AMD told this 1000 times: the architecture is 1:1. The difference you are talking about is the node (i.e., manufacturing process).

[@khairuddinali727]

*reads description* ah yes, the legendary RTX 1070

[@eddiesneax6754]

Bro, I saw that, and I was like 😲

[@drewnewby]

Give the guy a break, he has to churn out these videos at sweatshop speed to keep all these sponsors happy. /s

[@tekeagle2136]

I am pretty sure he means the GTX 1060 or GTX 1070.

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@khairuddinali727 Good no doubt t but Apples M4 is better in every way.

[@LuminousSpace]

@@fastedwarrior7353 goodluck emulating windows games this smooth

[@leoariasyt]

Techpowerup place the 890M defeating the GTX 1660 in their relative performance chart. It's a pretty impressive iGPU.

[@danielcaparros]

impressive by lacking of competition, nvidia could have a similar gpu destroying this one but they prefer to exploit AI craze

[@LuminousSpace]

@@danielcaparros nah they dont have expertise in creating apu, only gpu, amd can do this because they are good in proc but comparable in gpu

[@ehtasam2080]

​@@danielcaparros4070 35 watt is 2x faster than 890m 35 watts 4070 35 watt + 20 watt any CPU = 55 watts = 8000 time spy graphics Strix 12 CPU core 20 watt + 35 watt 890m GPU = 55 watt = 4200 Time spy graphics RDNA 3.5 = Ampere architecture RTX 30. Ada Lovelace rtx 40 architecture 2x better efficient than ampere Rdna 3.5

[@Saif0412]

​@@danielcaparros Nvidia gave up APU long time ago. Could be, would be, should be are no good. If they have one anywhere near competitive, they should put one out. It doesn't look like they are interested.

[@MrAlanMacdonald]

​@@LuminousSpaceI think the problem Nvidia face is they don't have an x86 licence. They'd have to partner with intel to make an APU. They could but intel want to use their own graphics and further that. Plus Nvidia can focus on being king of discrete

[@MrZattack101]

25-30% increase in fps in cyberpunk is crazy

[@user-kw8kh8dg3h]

Imagine they made an ITX motherboard with this apu... Ah well, dreams...

[@MitchellTheMitch]

With the new CAMM2 Memory, bro, that would be INSANE!

[@WuFluChan]

Asrock probably will they usually do

[@user-kw8kh8dg3h]

@@WuFluChan they do, but not for the usual market

[@WhiteG60]

And let the TDP go to like 75 or 80W. With an ITX board you can put a much bigger cooling solution on it.

[@malcaniscsm5184]

I think it's highly likely that there will be miniPCs with this APU sooner rather than later.

[@Fearless13468]

I noticed multiple possible issues. In a good chunk of the games you tested, the GPU was often low 90% usage or even lower. With FH5 that looked like a lower resolution than 1080p, you should look into that. You could definitely test games at higher settings. I'm sure most people on an iGPU would be more than happy with 40-60fps at higher settings than low settings with an internal resolution smaller than an atom and frame gen to get a higher framerate. You're testing a GPU, so actually give it something to do.

[@TheMasterwitcher]

I still wonder why are people subscribed to this channel.

[@ZedDevStuff]

​@@TheMasterwitcher I'm not, videos just pop up from time to time. Suspect I'm not the only one

[@drewnewby]

@TheMasterwitcher I'm subscribed to see exactly what misinformation is coming out next.

[@TheMasterwitcher]

@@drewnewby love that xD

[@louisnip]

HX 370 uses what is similar to Intel p core and e core. There is high latency when the p cores need to communicate with e core and thus lower the performance. There is video showing games perform better when they are limited to only able to use the 4 p core even tho it is still CPU bound.

[@tbegadfly]

Strix Point architecture says hello to ROG Ally 2 and Steam Deck 2.

[@OrjonZ]

No way Steam Deck is getting RDNA 3.5. At very least RDNA4 or 5.

[@DjVendetta]

Would be nice to see it in the steam deck 2 and add solid state batteries.

[@martinantelo7086]

Hopefully we'll get an optimised processor because we don't need 12 cores for handheld

[@AbzRaider]

Steam Deck Pro prolly not a 2

[@MitchellTheMitch]

​@@DjVendettaAs opposed to Hard Disk Batteries lol

[@modulo3664]

Mini PCs about to POP OFF

[@shafiq_ramli]

rpcs3 must be running blazingly fast on this APU

[@fpshunter]

I tested rpcs3 on my 780m and it didn’t utilize 100% of this gpu on standard settings. So my rtx4060m give me the same experience

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

true supposedly the 9700g will have 700$ ish gaming pc perf w like 100watt, awesome for portable mini pc build

[@cluberic]

Save yourself the trouble its a $1700 Laptop

[@PhillipLemmon]

That damn AMD tax! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@alex75hgft]

1700 for igpu? Just buy a Mac then!

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

It's a a factory color calibrated oled high res display running at 120hz with color accuracy of a $10,000 monitor. The hints in the name, pro art, this is for content creators

[@CrumpetsNBiscuits]

Thank you so much. It easy going like 'ow cool, this can be useful' but when you see the price tag... I'll use my 500$ 2050 laptop as a portable option, thanks.

[@adan2343]

1700 for a laptop that doesn't even have a Dgpu is a joke, you can get a G14 with a rtx 4070 that will wreckt this igpu for 100 bucks less!, this is honestly just amd knowing that they can't be touched by Qualcomm on graphics and lunar lake won't be out for a while plus the credibility of Intel right now with the corrosion fiasco.

[@SpartanDiab]

That horizon 5 footage is not 1080p, far from it and this mistake has happened in past videos too.

[@edbane1656]

He does it in most of his videos, I don't know if it's like an automatic resolution scaling setting or what but it's pretty much constant

[@SOF006]

100% agree with this, its full of aliasing and jaggy's - Just makes me question his testing and whether its intentionally him lying to make something look better than it actually is

[@Agent-iq3sz]

​​@@SOF006 that's what I am suspecting, or at the very least some sort of tweaking of the presets that's he's not being totally truthful about or unaware of.

[@gavinbarnes6023]

@@SOF006 I think he might not be using antiasing

[@1Grainer1]

it is 1080p low fsr balanced, so upscale with fsr from 640p low to 1080p? can't look good, also most probably fsr sharpening is maxxed

[@soulsbourne]

Underclock and disable 4-6 of the 8 Zen 5 low power/ compact cores on the CPU and overclock the GPU to allocate more power to GPU and reduce CPU blockading the.RAM bandwidth

[@MizoTVWrestling]

we need this cpu & igpu on Lenovo Legion Go 2

[@jonnir4149]

I think we have already reached the sweet point for emulation. Maybe this APU is like a Gtx 1650 desktop in performance.

[@aliabudabdamad3869]

someone said more performance than rtx 2050 => 12% more power and 6% less than 3050 "Denn mit 4.221 Punkten ist die Radeon 890M nicht nur 31,2 Prozent schneller als noch die Radeon 780M, sondern übertrifft sogar die Nvidia GeForce RTX 2050 Laptop-GPU mit einer TGP von 45 Watt um immerhin 11,9 Prozent, die GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop-GPU bei 50 Watt liegt nur noch 6,3 Prozent in Führung."

[@GlobalWave1]

@@aliabudabdamad3869yeah it’ll 😮 be interesting to see strix halo and M4 go at it. I think they are trying to aim at that kind of crowd.

[@leoariasyt]

@@jonnir4149 actually it's close to the GTX 1660

[@jonnir4149]

Yes. I watched it can beat rx 6400 more or less.

[@gelonyobakkopan4354]

it is as strong as a RTX 2050 or gtx 980Tİ. If they can find a way to use the npu inside for AI upscaling then it might even be as strong as a base RTX 4050.

[@aceonewillful]

Steam Deck 2 baseline needs to be at this level minimum above the 780m to reclaim the powerhouse crown

[@kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527]

The AI Engine can be used for a newer version of FSR for upscaling. The memory bandwidth is the next thing they will need to tackle, maybe with enough Infinity Cache it won't be a problem though that will increase cost of manufacturing.

[@sulac4ever170]

*could They sadly don't do that, which makes all those NPU Tops absolutely useless for gaming. That's why the Z1 exists. It's literally a 7840/8840 without the NPU.

[@KalenMaahs]

890m is good enough to be in a handheld for me, 1080 on a 7" screen should be plenty resolution. Now let's see something crazy custom for a Steam Deck 2 with more CUs and less Zen5 and Zen5c cores, like 2/4 or 4/4 with 20 CUs.

[@singular9]

I did a lot of math after this chip came out, and if the second gen steam deck with the EXACT same core count's and power limits (4c/8t cpu, 8 core gpu on RDNA 3.5) there would be an absolutely massive 50% (aprox) improvement in gaming performance at the 720p resolution the steam deck runs at. This is easily more powerful (duh, 70w with 12 cpu cores and 16 gpu cores) but the architectural improvements over zen2/rdan2 are evident in perf/watt.

[@hubert3637]

I think Steam Deck 2 will have 1080p panel… I know I know I would like maybe 720 but… It’s gonna happend. The legion go panel would be nice because it can scale 1:1 to 800p

[@Enratic]

Can't wait to see handhelds with this chip. I just hope they can have a VRR screen with a minimal bezel display

[@RebelliousX]

most people don't overclock or increase the wattage, I would have liked to see the performance benchmark with default settings.

[@HablaConOwens]

APUs have came a long way. Id like to see a little more performance.

[@handlemonium]

Strix Halo arrives in 6 months with 50% more cores and 2X the iGPU performance.

[@sabrac86]

Nice new APU, need it in a MiniPC xD

[@JoePolaris]

I’m looking forward to the updated minisforum UM lineup , nice. 👍

[@dragojess]

I completely agree with the statement at the end, I think the current handheld APUs like the Z1E and 7840 having 8 full cores is overkill, AMD really needs to start offering the big igpu with fewer CPU cores, that's what will really make these things more power efficient

[@ajikanExe]

damn this will be insane if they manage to cram it into steam deck platform

[@samvieten_official]

I just wished they made a 16" like this. The Zenbook S 16 is limited to 28 watts. I don't care about the thinnes but I need a bigger screen while traveling.

[@RANDOMNATION907]

They need to pair the 890M iGPU with a 6c/12t CPU. No AI engine, No 'C' cores, just the 16 RDNA 3.5 Cores, a fantastic IMC for the fastest possible ram speeds, all on a low latency monolithic die.

[@mraltoid19]

It would be nice to compare it to older Discrete cards...can we get this to beat a GTX980-Ti ?

[@ThomasSerruques]

will probably wait for strix halo 24CU

[@mikerosado2197]

There's a 20cu as well which is going to be a nice beast

[@BVLVI]

I just bought the allyX and couldn't be happier. There will always be the next shinny thing. I am gonna rock this for the next 3 years. I can game all day that's all I care about.

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

looking forward to the sbc and desktop variants of this. however when it comes to handhelds im holding off on spending anymore money on handhelds to see what comes of the new arm chips being able to run pc games once it gets a bit more fleshed out.

[@rollingstone7160]

ETA if you were building an arcade cabinet today, what would you use instead of a Raspberry PI?

[@KAMS-r3s]

Apu seems as powerful as ps4 pro , not bad for laptop . Hope Oems create more gaming taptops with it , but im sure dell , hp , and acer will pair with weak slower ram to kill its performance.. Amd need to step in and say whats allowed with this apu , OEMs in the past have killed most of Amd apus , could be intel bribing Oems to keep Amd down . Hope Amd get to fly this time .

[@El.Duder-ino]

Nice performance boost, still has some catching up to do with the tightly optimized Arm SoCs like Apple's latest M4 chip.

[@Sakosaga]

Id prefer them do a relatively slightly downclock 8 core with q higher GPU core count. Give it like 24 and 8 cores, put it in a hand held and that thing would be a monster.

[@kaizel2264]

Bro I'll just Wait for the 980M it's gonna absolutely cook This APU.

[@eliezerortizlevante1122]

Ima wait a 2nd gen Ryzen AI since ive heard that comment its a rebranded 780M. With NPU cores. Lets hope they bump it on the next one. Cant wait for stable 1080p

[@piercewiederecht5135]

Just give me 6 zen5c cores and the full iGPU. Come on AMD let us put all the power into the GPU for a handheld.

[@rakibchowdhury9001]

A side-by-side comparison between the 780M and 890M at same power profile would be nice for your upcoming video.

[@TheSilverSmitih]

If you want to see just how much a gpu can push frames in Skyrim, you can try downloading the Display Tweaks mod. It unlocks your FPS while ensuring that the game's physics doesn't go haywire.

[@betablockrr]

Skyrim has a 60 FPS limit, it cannot go above 60FPS without ini and mod changes. The 58 FPS is likely some kind of VRR kicking in to stop tearing

[@kaseyboles30]

One thing that drives me nuts it how rarely you get numbers for both a mobile igpu/dgpu that's being tested and similar performing desktop models. Yes you want to compare to other laptops, but a lot of people get a laptop as a mobile supplement to their main desktop. I rarely buy use laptops (In fact my last one was a used single core I bought about a year before the first dual core laptops came out. And this making it hard to put both mobile and desktop into a comparison means I'll keep avoiding laptops as long as I can.

[@drewnewby]

This is the wrong place for reviews and comparison. I bench all the systems I build for customers, and most sites like userbenchmark are garbage too. Trust techpowerup for the most part, they're quite accurate and have mobile results. cpumonkey is good also.

[@justinpatterson5291]

Wait till the bigger 20-40CU (Strix Halo APU) models come out. The 40's obviously not going in handhelds. But, the 20 might.

[@cosmicgamingunlimited]

I kind of want to see what the 16cu at 17 watts can do in a handheld. Maybe have a version cut from 12cpu cores to 8. I really want good battery life. We are so close!

[@drewnewby]

Strix Point is FP8, and expensive for any handheld. Strix Halo is FP11 and a very large die, regardless of CU count. Not going in any sane mobile device.

[@turboballer]

I think it would be valuable to show these newer chips running games at whatever highest settings allow a stable 60FPS, rather than putting the settings that will get the most frames possible.

[@NothingCoherent]

It would be fine in a refresh of one of the various Windows handhelds, but Valve certainly wants more before they make a Steam Deck 2. I reckon at least 1, maybe 2 more CPU generations before APU performance is there.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

Why setting low setting when you hitting 60+ fps? You have seen in many games GPU can not hit 2900Mhz because CPU can not keep up. Better increase settings to load GPU more, or you just wasting it

[@kevfleth]

Could you do a comparison benchmark video of the 890M versus the Z1 Extreme on the Ally X?

[@ShellymanStudios]

Radeon 890M iGPU Mini-PCs will go crazy!

[@fastedwarrior7353]

Apple does it better and AMD isn't nearly efficient enough.

[@nonameyet2205]

@@fastedwarrior7353 What? Apple can't even run games, besides why would you care that much about efficiency in mini PC, they don't run on battery.

[@yasirrakhurrafat1142]

​@@fastedwarrior7353 nope, it is doing quite well now. If you consider you can't *really* run linux or windows on the apple m1 s.

[@TheMasterwitcher]

Nah. They will all wait for the rdna 4 versions. No point putting this into them

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@TheMasterwitcher Why Not?

[@yissnakklives8866]

Now i cant wait for a Minisforum um890xtx...or whatever they call this one

[@sandorbence2067]

Can't wait this to appear in a handheld with adjustable TDP (up to 50-54 W would be enough). We already know it performs great at lower TDP, with improved drivers, maybe some manual tweak options for pushing more power to the GPUI (maybe turning off SMT would help too with 12 cores?), and the improved AFMF, handlelds can finally be perfect for the mini PC role I'm looking for. Then we'll see if Strix Halo will end up in portable devices (or if it even exists).

[@Th3l4st0ne]

@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="395">6:35</a> That might be a low latency setting in the driver that keep 2-3 frames from your monitor's VRR range so it never exceed accidentally. Battle(non)sense has lots of videos about it.

[@memyselfandyourcat799]

I wish I could get one right now in a mini pc. Too bad people say it'll take about a year for any of that. Been looking to change out my mx150 Aspire e15.

[@blegi1245]

It won't take a year for soldered bga laptop chip mini pcs to come out. I can guarantee you can buy one for Christmas. The socketed AM5 version for regular motherboards might come next spring or summer.

[@myroslav6873]

@@blegi1245 Are you sure these are coming to AM5? I would gladly give my dad my Ryzen 7600 + Radeon 6800xt system and get this ai 300 (what a dumb name) instead.

[@blegi1245]

@@myroslav6873 Phoenix Point/Hawk Point came to AM5 as Ryzen 8000G. I would imagine Strix Point comes as well. Might take about a year though so maybe next summer.

[@G.K.B.]

The situation is repeated with the difference between 680m and 780m... The increase seems to be there... but not wow! You can, however, hope that the mini PC implementation will be better than in laptops (and cooling). Well, devices with 780m will start to get cheaper well.

[@Silvest3r]

Rtx 4070 performance level integrated graphics + 32gb CAMM. Would definitely buy

[@systemBuilder]

Never going to happen. It will have soldered LPDDR5X RAM, laptops are moving to cell phone memory because cell phones are more ubiquitous than laptops now!

[@logannosleep5]

Really wish would could get this in a LPSS card... Theres some decent thin clients that could benefit from this.

[@rhiethreal]

I would love to see if these mini PCs can run The First Descendant

[@WoZYtaZ83071]

You should check and change power plan in windows settings, to high perf. and in g-helper change from balance to turbo

[@HM-rz8nv]

This thing performs like a 980Ti, which is simply incredible IGPU performance! Imagine what these 16 RDNA 3.5 CU's could do in a Steam Deck 2 specific APU using the typical 10-15W consumption? and depending on when a Steam Deck 2 arrives, we might very well get an RDNA 4 version of these 16 CU's. AMD's APU's are getting seriously jacked up.

[@sc9433]

if u do FSR, its not 1080p.....

[@GamerGaurav123]

Who cares

[@DJ_CRIZP]

Id like to see how the 890M compares to the Nvidia GPU in that same machine. Obviously not super helpful, but it'd just be interesting to me.

[@CRBarchager]

Can't wait for Strix Halo tp come out with 40 CUs instead of "just" 16.

[@jessiethedude]

Gonna need Minisforum to come out with like, a bd890i motherboard/cpu combo with this thing

[@Singlephase]

Really looking forward to seeing what companies like Minisforum make of these

[@SaarN1337]

I don't get why Asus wouldn't use a 120Hz screen, it's a deal breaker to many of us. I'll be waiting for a Strix Halo version of this laptop, I'm doing okay with the 8 cpu cores and the 4070 from last gen

[@Jackson-bh1jw]

have you tried turning off like all cores except 4, and see if that helps.

[@otrapendejada]

I'm good with lossless scale and gaming on my lenovo but i love to see this really efficient gaming setups.

[@Z3t487]

Seems like it's about as powerful as a GTX 980 Ti, flagship Nvidia GPU from 2015. Not bad at all.

[@jacksonrazorback5626]

Rog ally 2 should have this.

[@user-mo7ww1gq6n]

I would love to see the 890m iGPU in the minisforum 3in 1 form factor !! If it doesn't happen soon enough I'll have to go for minisforum v3 that's good enough too but after seeing the 890m I do wanna wait a bit...

[@glockmanish]

Hey ... I just want to say that you maybe have a misconception about Zen 5 vs 5c cores. They are functionally exactly the same ... the c-cores are NO efficiency cores! Their layout is just optimised to take less die area. The trade-off is that they cannot clock as high (hotspots are closer together, less copper in voltage rails, ...). If you clock a Zen 5 and a 5c the same, they should yield the same performance at the same wattage (that would be something interresing to test! ... achievable through tools like "Process Lasso"). That's why full-fat Zen5 core would make no difference in a handheld SoC performance, but wouldn't harm it either ... as they cannot clock "to the moon" because of power constraints but don't take more power at the same clock either. But more die area would make it easier to cool the SoC.

[@alanandfriends-s2o]

The performance improvements are fantastic! I'll wait for the SD2 because I love the hardware. AMD is really raising the bar with these igpus and it makes me wonder what valve would put into another custom SOC.

[@systemBuilder]

Compact cores (zen5c) save more vlsi area than power. I think the penalty is only 0.1Ghz. the idea though is that by right-sizing the circuits (avx512 done via 2x avx256) to minimize area they can save 30% area with almost no loss of performance (hence almost no loss of power draw). Zen5c compact cores are datacenter/EPYC designs ...

[@Kanecobond]

I'm already sold, with a Legion Go 2/X having everything the Legion Go 1 came with but adding a 80whr Battery, 2280 SSD & More RAM (24-32) with the same Z1 Extreme or 780m chip/7840U/8840U. ...and as an Extra make the panel be Landscape Native <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="969">16:9</a> with VRR... same color nit range, and still make the screen about 8". This though as an APU would put me on a MUST BUY category.

[@NexGen-3D]

These are the APU's I have been waiting on, really hoping we see some budget gaming Laptops and Tablets come out with the lowest end 9000 series, would be nice to see Steam bring out a low cost gaming laptop using one of these, they can call it the "Steam Book" or maybe a mini Gaming Console for the living room, and call it the "Steam Pod" :)

[@chromerims]

RDNA 3.5, am here for it. Extraordinary, ETA Prime 👍 Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.

[@shadow19121]

I bet minisforum is already making a motherboard to support this chip.

[@Esquera123]

I will wait for “Strix Halo” APU. 40 CUs, will be the same as RTX 4070 at least 4060 if they were to downclock to fit in thin and light laptop or handheld. Remember, this 890m here has 16 CUs, but but but Strix Halo will have 40 CUs. Imagine the performance😋.

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

Maybe this is why steam deck is waiting for this specific processor for steam deck 2 OLED Anyway Emulation Tests please 😁🥺

[@inigosusaetaherrera6474]

I dont think valve was waiting for this chip, because they ask for custom chips to AMD, I believe the SD 2 chip will be better, less cpu cores and more gpu cus, just speculating tho, but makes sense. (they already did that on the SD 1)

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

​​@@inigosusaetaherrera6474 What if valve looking for this specific processor but more custom side, anyway I'm just speculating here so please go easy on me😅

[@inigosusaetaherrera6474]

@@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh for sure man, I am just speculating too, I just think that valve would use something stronger, because they said they wanted the SD 2 to be trully next gen in comparison, and I dont think this chip is that much stronger to justify the new steam deck.

[@fastedwarrior7353]

@@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh Valve asks for amazing chips not bog standard chips. The current steam deck isn’t fast but it’s amazingly efficient.

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

​@@inigosusaetaherrera6474 oh I see, a dedicated GPU is out of the question, that would kill the battery quick, anyway, can't wait for the new steam deck 2 OLED, if the current steam deck OLED is this amazing, the next steam deck would be even more amazing 😍

[@eduardoleiva4959]

For handheld gaming 12 cores is just overkill. Hopefully steam deck 2 will have something more focused on igpu with a 2xzen5 and 4xzen 5c cores that would be more than enough for 60fps

[@UnusualYT1189]

whenever you test fortnite set it to preformance mode for settings, (almost all players use that), and test it in battle royale , you'll see the true fps it gets.

[@piercewiederecht5135]

Unfortunately I’m not seeing anything work upgrading from a 7840u handheld for. Having to get 12 CPU cores to get the max GPU configuration means this won’t be ideal for handhelds.

[@Michplay]

I really was waiting for reviews of this convertible laptop because I wanted the rog flow z13 but i was actually waiting for a oled screen version of this laptop. But now that it’s out and it’s only 60hz, I’m really really disappointed. I I don’t get why they price increase at all. Because for gaming the z13 is still a better choice because of the same 4060 and 165hz screen instead of this 60hz oled

[@fungo6631]

Soldered RAM? Yeah, no, I ain't touching this piece of future e waste.

[@terrybear2k]

there's some reports that there's a problem with cpu scheduling with the big and little cores, u should use affinity to limit games to run on the bigger 4 cores and probably some games will see benefit

[@oOoZilverwarrioroOo]

When will we see new handheld performance!!

[@season85]

You REALLY should start to add Frametime Graphs or 1% Lows to your Videos... :)

[@StevieRayCorn]

Waiting for a Minisforum with this

[@eddieos]

Why is the GPU gameplay videos all jagged almost like it is not the real resolution.

[@axescar]

Hope to see some dedicated to handhelds SoC - no big cores, only Zen5c and to make SoC on same dimensions replace big cores to 4CU (or whatever number of CU fit there)

[@donjames5761]

imagine this in a steamdeck.

[@xgeko2]

I would like to see something developed to use the npu to enhance the gaming experience either it to act as some kind of accelerator to take away task's from the cpu/gpu or to enhance the NPC interactions in games then it would make sense in a handheld.

[@Berserkism]

They could make use of it for a better version of FSR and Frame Gen on par with Nvidia. Would take these APUs to the next level.

[@astral2048]

Forza doesn't look like 1080p to me. Can you double check the settings? I think it's misleading

[@03codey]

once Igpus get to 7900 gre performance in vr games then I will be in the market.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

@ rebelliousx heres the tips, use 65w eco mode on the 9700g cpu, you dont need the cpu max power for the igpu esp w 8 cores then oc the igpu to 55w ish or max it can do, there you have a 700$ gaming pc w 110w

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

build mini pc w it and game anywhere like laptops, or watch youtube on tv, etc2

[@muehleisenalex]

Got a LGO and thougt i want a ally x - but i will wait for this new gen instead of waste my Money :-)

[@Chrish1981]

I've got to play Skyrim one of these days you test it so much