The NEW Sombra Re-Work is....

[@Zathren]

Yay. I saw his stream the other day and his perspective changed my mind. I just think 7 seconds is too long for the Locator, Tracer has a new blink every 3 seconds for goodness sake.

[@Questron01]

this is my favorite comment to read, i actually got one of my buddies to write a custom game code where the translocator's cooldown when foregoing stealth is shortened-- gonna test and record how it goes today and then post it either sunday or monday :D

[@oreganoguy454]

​@@Questron01 What about go instantly to stealth after using translocator?

[@Zathren]

That sound's dope. But if she can use her Locator more frequently when sacrificing her Invis, they may need to lower her dmg output. Either nerfing the overall dmg of Virus or maybe trying 10 to 12% dmg buff with Hack.

[@Zomudda]

@@Zathren why genji gets a new dash every kill. something like that doesnt need a nerf to get

[@doopydarp1027]

@@Questron01I know you’ve already shit talked this idea but I think you should get your mate to make one where she gets translocator after kill, it lets you translocate aggressively if you can get a pick and it’s not as big a crutch as perma invis

[@CoachKevanKillsit]

She got nerfed because they came out with a mythic widowmaker.

[@Misoraaauninininiii.]

I don't think that's the sole reason- Lot's of people were complaining about her

[@cindrblok7948]

doomfist, ball, winton, dva, genji, tracer, sombra still, lucio, moira, and kiriko can still beat widow to death.

[@powermetal1520]

@@Misoraaauninininiii. dear, this is a corporative company, the priority here is money, no the gameplay of the comunity, and the money comes with the microtransactions

[@courirnorte8137]

@@cindrblok7948 sombra is the biggest counter for widowc overall tho

[@sparkymarky7504]

Widow was way more oppressive to play against than old sombra - now there’s no counter to switch to. You just have to suffer being headshot across the map while you think you are in a 1:1 with a genji

[@kalenuwu]

if stealth can’t be permanent then it needs to be a different cool down. it’s like actually awful that it’s tied to her escape and it’s 7 fucking seconds

[@RenbroNL]

It's so clunky as well having to wait out that 5 sec just so translocator is available as soon as possible. Not sure how to fix this. I like virus but I guess it might need to go to free up an ability button for stealth. Or maybe just get it over with and remove hack all together, that would again take away from Sombra's identity though. I also think it's clunky that the extra damage is tied to hack.

[@PepsyBoss]

What if we put the hack properties into virus, increase the CD & maybe shorten the travel distance? It wud be a skill shot that people won't complain about taking less skill to use, can also increase silence to 2secs cuz I don't see the harm since characters like junkrat & McCree got CCs that actually immobilize you for a long time unlike silence that gives u a fighting chance still🤷🏾‍♂️

[@RenbroNL]

@@PepsyBoss Nice idea as well

[@wraith607]

⁠@@RenbroNL if they removed hack kept virus and put stealth on a cool down it would be perfect the only downside is she can only hack with her ult

[@RenbroNL]

@@wraith607 Also decent idea. Hack might just be an annoying enough ability that it should only be on an ultimate.

[@rngsmiles3979]

I feel like they should have made the tp cooldown 6 secs instead of 7. That one extra second is very big when the character doesn't even have 250 hp.

[@Questron01]

yeah but that would've essentially given her perma stealth still, just with extra steps-- but i have a solution and got someone to make a custom game to try my solution out that imma try out today :D

[@haku4841]

@@Questron01is the solution more speed in stealth? And technically she wouldn’t have 100% stealth it’d still be a minimum 1 sec reveal with a casting time for translocator so you’d still have like 1.5 second reveal That’s if you played perfectly and that still doesn’t make sense cause you want to hack someone if possible so you’d usually reveal yourself for 3/5 seconds meaning she’s closer to only 50% in is uptime when actually engaging She definitely needs a translocator CD buff it just feels way to clunky Also giving her genji tracer movement speed outside of stealth might make her feel slightly less sluggish The whole feeling of the character is booty cheeks rn

[@haku4841]

@@Questron01her 20% dmg boost is more similar to uptime to old meis deep chill passive like that dmg you get intermittently doesn’t make up for the loss in all other areas of her kit

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​​@@haku4841 it's not that similar besides the fact that both of them debuff enemy before dealing increased damage. Sombra's hack takes less than a second and lasts for 8. Her EMP is still a great ult and aplies debuff to everyone around so Sombra can help wipe everyone out, her Translocator is still a good movement ability. Her gun doesn't lack anything as well. Nothing like Mei's old passive which required too much preparations for the same extra damage as Sombra gets nowadays.

[@kapipei8028]

or honestly maybe a two and a half second cool down, but the cooldown starts when invis stops instead of when it ends; the amount of times where you have to end invis to attack somebody and then you sit there with no mobility and end up dying is crazy. either that or maybe give her the 10% speed boost that genji and tracer have because when she isnt invis she feels SOOOOO slow for somebody who has 225 hp.

[@copperhead228]

The ball trying to slam the same corner three times in a row. Only to be hacked every time & denied was hilarious!

[@Darrakkii]

Questron: "Now that Sombra lost perma-cloak she can be properly balanced, YAY!" Blizzard: "....." Questron: "Wait she's going to get properly balanced eventually, right?" Blizzard: 😏

[@willwilliams2944]

Ow devs wouldn't know what balance is if it slapped them in a face. Their whole team couldn't even balance something as simple as a seasaw.

[@xdlonewolf9766]

"ding dong, the ball is gone" is the most notable line in this entire video, purely because of how much emotion quest uses when he says it

[@hAVOKShadow]

Lmao that’s because of how long it took for it to happen

[@TheCreativeNick]

In my opinion, the changes only push more towards Sombra 76, which is the complete opposite of what a lot of people like to play Sombra as. She's become more and more generic over the past years. Also, having her invisibility tied to her escape tool, which she needs to use in order to engage anyone, makes for very clunky gameplay. The rework/changes as a whole are just very flawed and clearly need more thought put into them.

[@bye1551]

I'm genuinely so fucking sad man. Sombras identity has completely disappeared. The people who enjoyed sombra in her original incarnation officially have nothing similar to enjoy anymore. She went from a low damage disruptor utility character to now a frail glass canon that can't infiltrate, can barely escape and can't even disrupt unless it's literally an ability with a wind up of a year and 7 day shipping.

[@zaadbaad541]

But she sounds mean and I keep dying!!! I need muh soymilk and reddit upvotes!

[@Шизлманизл]

As much as I hate to play against a good Sombra, I would agree that this is what they are doing. Since they changed the game philosophy from MOBA-esque to more FPS oriented, heroes started losing their identity.

[@mohammedabudeeb5514]

I think if there is a stealth button without throwing the locator, it would be better

[@maxamillion3278]

That's how it used to be were literally going in circles now

[@ni9274]

You would need to remove an ability

[@wraith607]

@@ni9274remove hack for it

[@masonwheeler9211]

@@ni9274put her back on virus and keep the virus the same as now/slightly less damage

[@mohammedabudeeb5514]

@@ni9274 we can use r3

[@justanscv]

I’ve read a lot of comments here and wanted to collate some of them into one rework idea. To start with, we need to define the characters identity so we have a baseline when changing her abilities. I believe that Sombra is a flank support character, or at least that’s what she’s supposed to be. She harasses the back line into wasting abilities and then locks someone out to enable her team to make a play. So here are some changes I heard that can help her. 1) Putting Hack onto Virus; by making it a skill shot it becomes more powerful and and skill based. The DoT could be removed or nerfed to ensure it stays a utility skill, the lockout duration can be increased to 3 seconds on DPS and Support, 1 second on tank. 2) Decouple Translocater and Invis. They should not be on the same ability. We already know the best way to do temp invisibility, so we’re just ripping it straight from Spy Tf2. Invis will be like Soldiers sprint but with a resource bar and sound effect when leaving invis. Damage reveals her temporarily but doesn’t decloak her. 3) I’ve never liked the new translocater, but everyone else does and it works so we’re leaving that alone. 4) EMP is also fine where it is. 5) Passives; Sombra is a team player, so I don’t like a passive that solely benefits her own damage. Here’s and alternative; players Sombra hacks are revealed to her team. This allows better coordination when making plays. Because Sombra isn’t an assassin in my interpretation, we remove her Opportunist from seeing low health enemies. Finally, Healthpacks. Because we’ve changed her hack we need to change her interactions with healthpacks. We’re not removing it because it fits her role of denying enemy utility and assisting allies. My suggestion is that while stealthed Virus turns back into the old Hack, but it only works on healthpacks(or if we’re feeling adventurous it can also disable jump pads and lifts for enemies) and it temp reveals her when used. Changes, arguments, and different opinions are highly encouraged.

[@ValeOverwatch]

Translocator should reset if you get the kill like genji dash

[@chimera0213]

Even if it isn't a full reset a 3 or 4 second refund would be cool too. Assist getting 2 seconds of cooldown off might be a good mechanic to have too.

[@NathanQuinnP16]

So basically they went 50% of the way back to Sombra’s original design, and she still won’t be properly designed/balanced until they go the rest of the way back. Got it.

[@ytcmbt2505]

his new gameplay looks almost identical to his prior perma invis gameplay, its always been better to not abuse perma invis

[@Th3humanzombie]

I mean I don't disagree that perma-stealth was the problem, but man does it feel bad to have stealth and engage/disengage tied to one ability. I hadn't heard the argument that it can only be up from here so I guess that's a really solid point, but damn. I aspire to manage this kind of positivity in the face of adversity in my life. I personally would've rather had hack and virus combined with less range and damage and have an 6-8ish second stealth with 12-14 second cooldown. But I suppose this is actually a step in the right direction.

[@clud9099]

Ngl as a sombra main. I like her new changes, makes it so different to play her and its exciting

[@masonwheeler9211]

Having your engage and escape ability be tied to one button is genuinely horrible, it’s like having genjis dash not reset on cooldown. If sombra wants a fighting chance to have her translocator back after a fight she has to wait the whole 5 seconds, where many opening can happen that she simply can’t capitalise on without guaranteeing death. I say remove hack, make stealth a button that lasts somewhere between 5-10 seconds, make her virus have the hack effect and put it on a slightly longer cooldown

[@andrewmasc3174]

Stealth shouldn't be permanent but we should have control over when to start the timer. Setting it auto on translocate is lazy and limits the potential uses of both stealth and translocate imo. The character feels clunky and bad right now regardless of her strength

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

Actually this clunky change is what allowed devs to make invis unstoppable by damage, so she has easier time escaping because you don't become a sitting duck after getting 1 damage. Though translocator does feel punishing if you don't use stealth at all.

[@ikan5149]

Stealth actually used to be on a cd with her OG Playstyle years ago. This is just a worse version of that

[@andrewmasc3174]

​@@NothingMeansNothingButNothingstealth unstoppable by damage?

[@greenpig1175]

Greenpig here, just need translocator and invis to not be the same cooldown and we’re gucci

[@OutOfUsernameldeas]

"Rework" Sombra now has 2 playstyles which are both equally bad 💀 1. Throwing flanker (Why play sombra to flank when tracer exists) 2. Sombra 76 (Soldier style gameplay but 100% less effective than just playing Soldier 76)

[@SombR3ro]

she can be played as a hybrid of the two, sth both tracer and soilder:76 aren't the best at

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

Because Sombra is fun, and it pisses people off

[@dementeddingo321]

@@lulu_TheWitchBoy *And Sombra is fun, because it pisses people off.

[@ni9274]

I don't remember 76 being able to hack, to burst down a tank and to take any highground every 7 seconds

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​​​@@dementeddingo321 if people are pissed at hero, which is supposedly worse than others in everything, then it doesn't seem like she's worse than other heroes, does it?

[@GearbieFPS]

I still think it would be cool if they made hack a skillshot by attaching it to virus

[@lf2334]

That's actually a genius idea.

[@GearbieFPS]

@@lf2334 that’s what i’m saying

[@aeloh6921]

But then hack cant be interrupted, imagine how easy hacking ultimate casts would be if you just had to lob a virus. I really don't like the idea of being able to get a hack off while tanking damage. In high ranks they could just call that hackable ults are coming next fight, and sombra could just stand in a bap lamp and hack the ult cast. It would be stupidly broken if hack can't be interrupted.

[@GearbieFPS]

@@aeloh6921 most people don’t react fast enough anyways. at least you’d have to actually land the ability to get any value.

[@BudgetAthena]

@@aeloh6921 ​Sleep does all of the same things as Hack + stops movement and shooting. Ana can do the same things you described. So why doesn't that happen?

[@parkerwhitton9603]

As much as I appreciate your optimism Questron - Sombra is effectively dead in ranks below Masters now. It requires such perfect use of cooldowns, map awareness, and patience I can't see anyone playing it when other DPS characters get better value with much less effort in Medal ranks.

[@davidperezvazquez7856]

She’s kind of locked behind masters level mechanics/game sense or above right now. She is no longer accessible for lower ranks for sure

[@SombR3ro]

i would appreciate her being in doom/ball type of skill floor/ceiling, though i'm a sombra main already

[@202adr]

Shes usable in low ranks and masters, but is trash and absolute trash in plat and diamond. Because in masters and up you have less braindead players that think they need to carry alone, and in gold and below players are unaware and slow and usually have terrible positioning making them easy to pick off. And in all ranks she is really bad unless you have the game sense and knowledge on character and team comp interactions to make her work.

[@fatmasterblaster]

that ball got beef with sombra mains

[@Runegrace]

It's weird that they combined stealth and translocator to basically create Moira fade. Obviously they ran out of buttons, but I would have expected them them to combine hack/virus since they seem to always really want you to use them at the same time

[@xccoldfuryxx6745]

They just need to put stealth on its own button and revert translocator cooldown and it’s basically and aggressive OW1 sombra

[@MaBelenNarutina]

I'm having more fun with her now when playing. She's more aggressive and I feel like she helps the team more, forcing you to use invisibility wisely. However, people are still angry, I still get insults when playing with Sombra (although I also get recognition from my team). That means she'll probably be nerfed in a patch. Which makes me say once again, that Blizzard doesn't know how to balance her in-game, they're always changing her and players keep whining about her like kids. Always more reworks, nerfs and buff, its never enough, which is sad because I'm just playing this game for her. 😢 Nice video btw ❤

[@-cactus.raven-]

As a non Sombra player I’m not enjoying it as much. I don’t play dps enough to adjust quickly and it feels clunky to me. I never got the hate last couple of patches so I didn’t really see the point in this change (if anything I find her more annoying in more aspects now)

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

Yes! I feel more faster playing her now. I always hated how she got out of Stealth when hit

[@BlinkoutIRL]

I don't think she's bad oportunist is just too good.

[@Anonymous-lv4di]

The issue now with having Stealth as a separate button is that there aren't any available, so to do that they would have to make it so that if you reload with full ammo you activate Stealth or combine Hack and Virus into a single cube and put Stealth on the available button

[@diamonshade7484]

Switch weapon button, ashe had it as cd to call bob(not the full ultimate but the running part), she had it in a previous arcade mode

[@arion4804]

All things considered, you actually make the new sombra look like a hood hero. Maybe she's not actually terrible and we just have to get used to this.

[@Skele_Rat]

Her new skin with the natural black wavy hair so a buff. My heart is all her's ❤

[@ZOCCOK]

The hack ability is useless. Hacking the tank, dps or even support doesn't make sense as the ability block works for just 1 second. That is not enough time to even kill a Reaper before his T-pose ability comes back online to just fade away 😂

[@jrg7777]

After the changes, I was really pondering just dropping sombra (my most played dps at this point) altogether but after watching this, I'm very inspired! Thank you!

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

This just ran me back to TF2 and Team Spy, thank you Microsoft

[@LateCloser]

My first 9 games with the latest rework I went 1-8, trying different playstyles. My next 50 I went 25-25 using my previous play style. [I have a career 54% win rate.] It just plays slower. I don't get as many elims. My solo kills are lower. It takes a lot longer to build ult. I can't carry, like I could occasionally. Feels weaker. I end up waiting for the 2 seconds to expire a lot, to make a move. It kind of does the opposite of what their goal appears to have been. :( I don't think it works, as is. I think maybe if virus also applied the hack damage buff, it would. That might be OP, though. However, I do think Sombra has two major design flaws. Perma-stealth(which she almost still has - minus the 2 seconds) AND Hack. Neither should exist. In Emp maybe, but not as abilities. Both are just miserable to play against. Widow deserves to feel the misery though. :)

[@CrunchyTheCrunch]

got this in my feed before the notification ever showed up, 1 minute before the notification im a true fan

[@afterthought9538]

I think damage is going to become a huge problem down the line when people have figured Sombra out. I really think the better change would have been to restore duration Invis as a separate cooldown and scrap Virus, and let us keep Opportunist. If getting rid of Virus is out of the question, make Invis cooldown a separate cooldown on double-jump. I still need some more play-time to really say if she really needs anything. Like it feels bad that I have to be so much more dependent on what my team is doing with this rework. Then I realize that this is just normal for others heroes, whom I also play lol

[@202adr]

There are 3 play styles. 1. you either counter dive and sit on heals hack and virus then shoot whoever is diving/ rushing your team or 2. play front lines in off angles and just hack and harass tank and farm ult and pick off squishy that is around out of position that you can safely killl without them getting help. There is nothing to figure out she straigth up sucks. Her kit forces you to do things like this. 3. is flanking and deleting people, but that only works if your team is able to get space on that map and push without you, taking the attention away from you. If your tank and other dps and support can`t take the space or push or dive the enemy without falling over straigt away or the enemy team isnt stupid and put themselves in a postion they can be picked off without support from there team, the 3rd play style doesnt work. The biggest problem is that you as sombra are now dependent on your team to engage or the other team to engage to be able to fight and so anything of value. Because if you engage, you are a liability and its do or die. So now it depends on if the other team is smart or stupid. Or if your team is smart to engage with you or stupid to not push with you once that happens.

[@digitaoru]

See I was fine with invis on a timer but it can't be tied to translocator like this. It needs its own cooldown like OG Sombra

[@Misoraaauninininiii.]

the one thing I want to see is - no more virus, stealth replaces it. I will be a happy camper if I can choose when to stealth 👍 Like realistically, if opportunist is back do we really need virus? No, probably not. I have not been using it much so far this season so like 🤷

[@wswann34]

Virus feels like a negative as it exposes u

[@abdullamasud4278]

11:12 can you suggest some ways how support can compensate? Genuine question~ i wish to understand and improve on the game in these tight situation and help team out.

[@WillOfTheFungalNetwork]

what if translocator only had a 5 second cooldown, but the last 2 seconds of the cooldown would only count down out of stealth, so if u left stealth early (which is now always a choice bc damage doesn't take you out of stealth) you could have faster translocator

[@ZZlRDIZ]

If they had given a CD reset on translocator after an elimination it wouldn't be so bad but shes borderline useless now. I'm just trying to get as many deaths as possible in every game in protest, Lets provide them with the statistics to back up what happens when you nerf a 47% winrate hero to the ground just because they want to maximize the Widow skin sales.

[@TomaszKiżewski-h2w]

u can still use her like the old sombra ,just get close to the enemy team ,teleport behind their backline ,and then u can use it like the old one ,just dissapearing over and over again

[@6CyberneticStalker9]

5:20 was so hilarious because in my head i was like what if that guy went moira 😂😂

[@raffyoli]

babe wake up new questron shots video

[@ctylorhendrick4413]

“The Sombra rework isn’t that bad” Proceeds to get shut down by a character who is countered by Sombra 😅

[@lilypad.7485]

literally just go back to season 1 ow 2 abilities but stealth is on like a bar like the cloak and dagger from tf2. the invis bar drains as you move

[@Questron01]

@@lilypad.7485 ah yes, when she had a 36% global winrate. Classic.

[@lilypad.7485]

@Questron01 ngl as a sombra main i hate every single rework. but the one at the beginning of ow2 vs every one after that was way better

[@lilypad.7485]

the best option is just ow1 abilities imo but limited stealth but that isn't happening

[@DemiCape]

@@Questron01 the stealth being on the same ability as translocator just feels worse than old sombra.

[@Stormkrow280]

Proceeds to play the worlds smallest violin

[@kujas]

Sorry but sombra re-work at first i thought was bad but after awhile it’s the change she needed.

[@thebulletkin8393]

I haven't played overwatch since 2 launched and man all these changes are crazy lol

[@Chaoticaddy]

I think a lot of people just don't play sombra like you. You tend to frontline with her more while a lot of people flank with her. So the rework may seem good to you since it fits your playstyle, but for a lot of people it went against their playstyle (flanking). Also, I find it so weird that they gave her passive back because it encourages flanking. And with this rework it makes it super hard to do that now. I think they should make stealth and translocator a separate ability and make the translocator go back to its og cooldown. This way you can't just spam translocator to go perma stealth since it would be a 5 second cooldown on both. Also make hack go back to its og ability lock cooldown but tone down the dmg buffs, or else she's gonna be too powerful. But maybe keep them if they get rid of virus. Sombra is just so hard to balance oml

[@kalenuwu]

it’s devastating bc I play sombra whenever my support is shit. I hate depending on other people who are awful, so i’d rather play characters that are fine making plays on their own, but now i’m supposed to front line with supports that refuse to heal me?

[@BudgetAthena]

Reverting Sombra to OW1 as you described wouldn't fix her at all. It'd make it much, much worse. Specifically for the tank, who is going to eat basically every Hack every 8s.

[@Chaoticaddy]

@@BudgetAthena it isn’t ow1 though, her trans locator is different and she has virus

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​​@@kalenuwu Sombra literally a DPS who supposed to enable her team's pushes by hacks and emp. You can't pick her and think that you don't need your team to make her work better than Widow.

[@BudgetAthena]

@@Chaoticaddy which would make her balanced how? Ow1 Sombra + DMG ability without the ability to camp her TP

[@xmothersuperiorx8118]

Thank you for this Questron❤ I’ve spent most of this rework on support while playing with friends and I look forward to trying your advice. It honestly impresses me how positive you are.

[@Questron01]

yeah blizzard paid me off apparently ( i wasnt aware of this till everyone was telling me it in response to me wanting to try it out before having an opinion )

[@xmothersuperiorx8118]

@@Questron01 everyone was negative with her last rework too. I’m sure she will get more tweaking as time goes. You can’t learn anything if you try it out immediately with a doomer mindset.

[@dmaster2]

The video we've been waiting on all season

[@HephaestusXD]

Sombra mains got too use to playing the backline 24/7😭they don’t know what to do anymore

[@nycto5335]

They just leep proving they have no idea what to do with Sombra. Ever since she came out years ago, the devs have struggled to do anything with her that wasn't either broken or garbage 💀

[@ThementallyChallanged]

W vid Mr. Quest of the Ron!

[@BonzoDeAap]

What if she gets 2 charges of translocator, on a longer cooldown?

[@Whatisitlol]

Sooo, basically a tracer with compound v

[@humesspoon3176]

@@Whatisitlol I mean I’m down

[@xmothersuperiorx8118]

I like this. Some more grace if you mess up using it but use it wisely.

[@dexter_piano]

They just need to give her permanent speed

[@blastingpew]

the only issue now is the 7 seconds translocator, and they need to fix the stealth bug

[@saltytaylor1]

i wish i could ping the low health targets through walls. So my team can also be alerted. As someone who has about 2000 hours of her. ill see that as a little nice addition

[@lf2334]

I hop in and out of T500 playing Sombra 95% of the time, and she just feels awful to play now IMO. I'm sure I could maintain the rank, but she's just not fun to play at the moment and I only play characters that I have fun playing. I agree that perma invis is too much, but it really does feel awful to play her. I guess I'll just have to 1 trick Junkrat until she gets buffed. I guess it will be nice to see if I can get him to t500.

[@andrewmasc3174]

Her movement is clunky and terrible right now

[@cherriercedrik8443]

All characters I play I don't care about 1 sec hack Sombra so bad I kill her everytime !

[@flclmalachi7680]

I don't think sombra is bad she's just a team player now more of playing next to your team hacking and getting damage off because theyvtake more damage

[@cholhopyun4745]

It might be better to combine hacking and the virus so that hacking happens when the virus connects, and then replace the hacking ability with stealth, while removing the stealth function from the Translocator.

[@ashtonashtonashton2514]

what a great day to use sombra and sym as my main dps ❤️ just never know what ur gonna get next patch x

[@hectoralvarez7785]

It feels like they didn’t put much thought behind the rework

[@aizendrains]

wow questron love your thoughts on this sombra rework how about your thoughts on rhea's tweet?

[@DBE42069]

Helpful tips / tricks for the new Sombra patch! Gotta love when Questron drops some knowledge! He makes it look too easy sometimes..... What's the win rate with your Sombra btw?

[@Questron01]

after day 2, about 30 games it was 68% as of today it's 60% but that's mostly cause i played on EU servers at 2am and got 3 people on my team leaving back to back making me tilted whoops

[@DBE42069]

@@Questron01 I got faith you can make it up to 69% before the season is over. Sure would be really NICE!

[@Postcards]

They should give her a dash like Hanzo and Lifeweaver. This could put her in stealth instead of translocator.

[@vini005]

at this point they don't bring back the first version of sombra

[@justApplay]

I just launched OW2 after a while to have some fun with Sombra. What was my surprise when she wouldn't enter stealth and suddenly my translocator made me invisible for only 5 seconds? I've played almost every Sombra rework, this is the least fun version. The "drop translocator on health pack and run away for a few seconds" was terrible, but this one feels like I'm forced to play a worse version of Soldier. I'd rather play a worse version of Sombra instead.

[@wen_and_only]

She feels so slow. If they fixed her unstealthed speed or made her stealth speed insanely fast (like the community mode) she would be bearable.

[@skiiando.mp4]

I started playing overwatch and sobra is my main since a day ago just bc I love spy TF2

[@ronperalta8884]

bro your entire team ulted, yet you are still at 44 lolz

[@thelividdeads]

I mean she's basically walmart Tracer now. And tanks have enough to worry about Without her being an issue. Now the tanks are gonna get upset again because there's Just No value in trying to sneak around. Why bother, Go hit the Tank

[@thelividdeads]

Also Your Argument for " Why this is good " relies on Blizzard being Remotely capable of Actual balance. They're changing things just to change it at this point. They don't actually Care about Balance, they care About Sales.

[@andrewmasc3174]

How is she walmart tracer? They were closer to each other before the rework not after

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​@@thelividdeads Walmart Tracer can do things that original Tracer can't do. All I have to say is: "Ha! EMP charged. Let's turn out the lights!"

[@thelividdeads]

@@NothingMeansNothingButNothing Okay so they have a different Ult. The playstyle is still nearly identical now. Use your mobility To get onto a flank position and Go for a priority Target. Tracer does it better AND Doesn't have to sacrifice her Escape to Engage, which is what sombra has to do now. Tracer has more immediate raw damage output compared to having to Hack + virus THEN shoot. She's Just Worse Tracer.

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

@@thelividdeads Don't remember Tracer taking highgrounds in second and doing anything valuable past 10 meters away from enemy. You're so dull, Sombra wasn't just about killing supports since long time ago, she is both fighting in team fights and diving enemy when needed. Tracer won't stop someone like Ball from killing your supports, Sombra literally can interrupt his slam, making him an easy target for everyone, and because of that hack she deals a significant amount of damage. If Sigma uses ult, the only thing Tracer can do is do trash damage while he's floating. Sombra has an opportunity to prevent him from killing your tank (remember that hack now doesn't remove invisibility) Tracer's ult is usually 1 kill, while Sombra's ult allows your team to push in without much troubles (or denies enemy's push), AND Sombrero has increased damage on everyone now, so she actually deals insane damage.

[@movetronics]

Meanwhile people still using Moira as dps…

[@scoop7607]

the sombra goat

[@Cosmic_K13]

The moment you tp'd to the floor just for stealth, it revealed what was so familiar about this version of sombra... This just makes her basically Sky from paladins.

[@KaiPurge]

you are trying a bit too hard to be positive....We can hear it/see it in your face....You know this is terrible. Its okay to just say its bad no one is going to judge you. I have been a sombra main since 2016 and this is literally the worst she has felt. There is no point picking her over tracer/reaper at this point. Even Genji feels more fluid at this point.

[@niksbalcuns6591]

i am also a sombra main since 2016 and i feel she is more fun now, doesnt feel clunky to me at all

[@KaiPurge]

@@niksbalcuns6591 suuuuuuuure 🙄-rolls eyes-

[@_V.Va_]

I DON'T ENJOY THE THING SO NO ONE ELSE CAN.

[@niksbalcuns6591]

@@_V.Va_ i know right?

[@niksbalcuns6591]

@@KaiPurge i feel like i shouldnt believe you are long time sombra main since you gave up on the character so easily. the playstyle was changed a bit but a couple of games and i got the flow of it and it was pretty fun. sure the fresh feel wore off and i can see it can be a bit clunky, but i still enjoy playing her and think some minor tweaks can make it more fun. i know, shocking, a rework makes you have to adapt.

[@stinus0066]

I LOVE POWERPOINTS RAHHHHH

[@systemaparasitica]

tbh i cared much less about the balance of sombra and more that perma stealth gave me so many chances to be a troll...

[@_V.Va_]

Now you actually have to play the game. 😢😢😢

[@corpse_verse]

time to sombra gametimeeee

[@victorfromm9355]

Truuuue! Its hilarious watching streamers say a character is weak when using there old playstyle and not even trying to adapt She still stomps most pub matches lol

[@Spannondorf]

I think seven seconds for translocator is a bit long, but i also think you should have to wait a couple of seconds after stealth before going transporting again, otherwise you could just get perma stealth with extra steps. So, I have two random ideas. One, translocator is on a 5 second CD but its locked during and 2 seconds after stealth. The main issue with this is player clarity, because as we saw with the guardian angel lock on super jumps, people dont like when their CD is done counting but they can't use it. The other idea would be to have the translocator be on a 5sec cooldown, but using translocator again while invisible doesnt reset invisibility. That way you can engage with stealth, but you can't STAY invisible. Maybe add the stealth icon back in the abilities list at the bottom and give it a 2sec cooldown so players know they can't go invisible even if they translocate. I definitely prefer this version of Sombra to perma invisibility, because that was almost as corny as six second hack.

[@Zephyr_Weiss]

They should have at least give invisibility an extention everytime you hack...

[@hasheeeesh]

As a Ball main, I can finally play the fucking game

[@imperialdra-mon5907]

what if you hack a tank with zen orb how fast would he die?

[@tokyonotghoul9066]

Happy birthday!

[@kenngermy9846]

Maybe two locators on a longer cooldown

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

My fellow Sombra mains! The Devs this this travesty for one, and one reason only: to sell more Widow skins. Your mission is to focus down every Widow you come across, and make her game miserable! Don't care if you die, don't care if you lose, your single job from now on till the end of this season is to make every Widow suffer!

[@fynnj.8404]

No.

[@SombR3ro]

suree! widow's always a first priority anyways

[@takeyourheart114]

Yes

[@Tavareslegal]

dont like the invi being tied to Locator, i feel forced to waste 2 cd on just a dash, i dont have 100% agency on invi like the sombra before rework

[@-cactus.raven-]

Facts, bring back invis before virus (idk how you would get it to work on roller tho,, that is kinda the main constraint)

[@Zomudda]

bro talks about how good sombra is now and legit struggles first game

[@Questron01]

yes because im not good at her, but have enough experience being bad at things that i can recognize that its a skill issue. atm now im sitting at a 65-70% winrate overall after 40 games played

[@SrMasterio]

​@@Questron01 or maybe just the luck to have teammates carrying you enough

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​@@SrMasterio Ah yes, the teammates carrying you just enough is the real answer to any attempt to show that a certain hero isn't as bad as everyone says it is.

[@Rebel1280]

@@SrMasterio def this, the amount of coordination thats now required for sombra to viable is insane. Picking sombra isnt a throw pick but at this point there other characters that can offer a team a better chance than having your supports lose hair over keeping you alive. I've found myself playing soldier and mei a lot more now to help out the team. It is a team game after all.

[@OGEdger]

It's like buying new shoes: you gotta get used to it and break them in before they're comfortable.

[@fightorflight2279]

Even if I'm in the minority in this, I wish they would just move her to the support category. I feel like she would be so fun with a kit similar to her mirrorwatch version

[@Questron01]

only if genji gets to be moved to tank

[@bulgrim7650]

I mean you did say OW1 v1 Sombra should be in OW2 (Which to me what this is) and OW2 Sombra should be in a 6v6 so.... Win win?

[@bunster4322]

They really ruined her at the moment I hope it goes back to being permanent stealth.

[@jkez877]

That's why he's the goat!

[@Sleepylevi]

I actually love the sombra rework. Her abilities are more reliable and she feels faster too

[@dolloptrollop]

I want to see some more gameplay keep uploading

[@videohansen]

In principle, I agree with most of what you say and respect your optimize for the future of Sombra, but with the current iteration they have just sent her to bottom of the pile. With your skill level, there seems to be some viable ways to play her, but you would probably do even better on a tracer or a soldier. I find it difficult to see what role Blizzard intends Sombra to have and what sort of engagements she should be going for in at equal skill levels where picking another hero wouldn't be better suit for the given playstyle. Also her game cycle feels so clunky. If they intended to remove spawn camping and other plays that relied on the crutch of perma invis, they succeeded. Instead we now have a game cycle that too easily revolves around 1. use tp and go invis, 2. use 4 secs to position, 3. start hacking, 4. Virus, 5. Shoot and hope to get the kill within 2 secs and not die, 6. TP out at 7 secs., 7 Rinse and repeat. If you break that cycle (going out of invis early to capitalize on an opportunity or you miss virus), the risk of dying skyrockets as you will spend so much time out of invis being a slow 225hp target and often going back to spawn. So I guess I can follow your optimize as far as Blizzard having dug the hole so deep now and having hit bedrock, they can only improve her from now. But currently they have only managed to take away a broken-yet-overvalued perma invis (and shadow nerfed her speed as its also tied to being invis) and still not removed the requirement on Sombra so pick and execute perfectly on near-perfect situations, in order to find value that could not more easily and consistently and with much more of a unique identity be found on other heroes

[@brokentoy9]

I like flats opinion of invisibility being a separate ability from translocator. It can stay 5 sec. Or just remove invisibility completely and rework her in a way that is not sombra76 or Cassidy. If stealth is hard to balance, then why leave it in the game? People who couldn't adapt to stealth will still complain. Fix the problem and don't just apply a bandaid.

[@andrewmasc3174]

Stealth isn't a problem stealth is in fighting games and other Shooters, xdefiant echelon for instance

[@jvael]

i couldn't make stream so I'll just be chilling here instead peepoSit

[@AlucardDracula1000]

Bro is gonna lose his mind when they nerf her again