The Nonexistent Problem With Warhammer 40K

[@Shaso-xv3tw]

16:35 the Tau aren’t communists. By definition of the ideologies and philosophies of the actual writers of the movement, tau are unironically fascist. Like actual textbook fascists and it’s so funny to me.

[@slipknot0452]

That's just hilarious to me, the tau being the actual fascist and the tourists thinking 40k fan want to live in 40k

[@TheInvisibleCactusYT]

What’s even more hilarious is Adam (the guy who made the god awful video) posted a response on his community page showing off the models he collects, it’s the T’au

[@sued_]

​@@TheInvisibleCactusYT Also doubling down and saying: You are wrong, my understanding is the correct one, Let me disprove all your criticism with like 10 short lines. It's so vindicating having one of his bad take videos just blow up in his face like that. Edit: corrected a spelling mistake

[@Just_Daisho]

@@slipknot0452 You think the dangers of 40K will stop me from getting a big tiddy xeno gf?

[@dandare9055]

To be honest Fascism, National Socialism and Communism are all ideologies based in Marxism. One can easily mix them.

[@innocentsmith6091]

"... dark god. Whatever that is." Slaanesh. The dark god that has claimed the souls of the Eldar is Slaanesh. This is 40K 101.

[@Nugnugnug]

I'm surprised he could correctly identify the guys with the shoulder plates as space marines.

[@reynanlamsen2007]

​@@Nugnugnug Those are kriegers I don't know what you're on about mate.

[@troo_6656]

I barely got into 40k few months ago and even I know that.

[@jamiep9991]

He literally describes every single space marine like the marines malevolent, but he wouldn't know that in lore, the marines malevolent are hated by the wider imperium, since he's a tourist. He also falls back on the setting being a cartoonish satire with ever changing lore like its rogue trader, but applies that logic to the later more gritty setting in the same breath.

[@halowars400762]

Honestly makes them sound like chaos space marines not loyalist ones. It ridiculous.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Marines Malevolent aren't hated by the wider imperium, they're hated by the Salamanders for being so based. Marines Malevolent are a chapter which are extremely pragmatic when it comes to combat, boohoo some civilians were used as bait, but the point is the enemy was destroyed.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

​​@@halowars400762marines malevolent are reminiscent of old lore spacemarines which were much more brutal towards civies. But they're probably one of the most meme'd chapters, even though the Iron hands are much worse towards civies, Iron hands have forcefully turned entire regiments of PDF and guard regiments into servitors simply to win against an enemy

[@franciscodelico]

You say "rogue trader" as if it's a separate thing, or a tabletop game/official product like Space Hulk or Kill Team. Isn't Rogue Trader just a lore thing that got a video game recently? I am NOT trying to correct you. I'm new to the hobby and wanting to learn. I've seen Rogue Trader mentioned a couple of times throughout this whole Adam Something drama, but searching for it is kind of difficult because I only get the game as a result on Google.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

@franciscodelico rogue trader was a spin off from the Warhammer fantasy game (now called the old world, which is your classic Lord of the rings medieval fantasy land style of game), it was a sci-fi roleplaying game which became super popular so Games Workshop made it into a full wargame called Warhammer 40,000, they changed much of the lore over the years and explained certain races and stories, so effectively Rogue Trader and Warhammer 40k are separate universes, Rogue Trader has spacemarines which are just regular human beings who are elite soldiers not super soldiers genetically enhanced. Rogue Traders are a type of explorer/merchant within 40k universe, they're the only humans within imperial law who can operate outside of imperial space and even deal and trade with Xenos, they have a "writ of the emperor" a physical piece of paper written by the emperor himself granting them permission to do so, these pieces of paper are handed down through their descendants so you have to be born into a rogue trading family in order to have this freedom.

[@samiamtheman7379]

39:00 "the only god you will meet is the dark god, whatever that is." Bro knows so little about the lore that he doesn't even know that Eldar get their souls eaten by Slaanesh.

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

He doesn't know about Sisters of Battle or Silence, nor the female only faction of the Imperial assassins. There's obviously much he hasn't any clue about.

[@der-Dritte]

I am sure he just ignores them for his ego​@@Ewil.Bluetooth

[@MarikHavair]

Imagine criticizing that brave guardsman's faith in the Holy God Emperor while not realizing what a sick burn any human has on every Eldar when it comes to gods.

[@JumpierNewt8956]

The funny thing about Starship Troopers is the fact that the director says the bugs did launch the asteroid. So its the director own words vs a fan theory.

[@Alan0000able]

Yep plus wiki. Entrie argument "it takes so long to travel", dude you have bugs literally travel between star systems, its obvious they are capable of interstellar travel. Also funny he says "What stops them from doing it further" when movie shows feds building defences against it.

[@worldspam5682]

@@Alan0000able dude basically become the one who he wanted to destroy - a conspiracy theorist. I's basically the same as right-wingers talking about 911

[@aratay3117]

Saying that custodes are a faction that no one plays or cares about is fucking ridiculous.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

I guess Henry Cavill is a fake human being.

[@pyxelknyght7149]

I genuinely have never met someone who plays Custodes, they’re not a very popular faction

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

@pyxelknyght7149 So Henry Cavill is a figment of the world's collective imagination?

[@pyxelknyght7149]

@ I don’t know Henry Caville, neither do you probably. I’ve never met with him, talked with him, or learned anything about him. For all we know his interest in Warhammer is an elaborate marketing stunt. And even if I did count him that’s 1 guy out of hundreds I know personally or know about vaguely

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

@pyxelknyght7149 K tourist

[@KekusMagnus]

I found it hillarious he describes space marines as "fascists killing innocents to sustain a brutal regime", as if Tyranids, Orks, Drukhari, Necrons, and Chaos demons wouldn't kill or enslave humans on sight. 40k is Grimdark because humanity needs the imperium, not because of the imperium's flaws

[@arthurcosta4643]

I mean... Is it wrong, thought? The Imperium is indeed facist, and it does indeed kill innocent people all the time. Just because there are worse factions, it doesnt mean the Imperium is not an objectively theocratic authoritarian shithole. A lot of the problems the Imperium face are due to its nature as a repressive society: If they were less corrupt and were not religious fanatics, their technological stagnation would not have happened, and who knows, they could have solved the problem of their poverty by achieving a post scarcity society, or even fiding a new way of travelling throught the universe without depending on a corpse god that requires the sacrifice of thousands everyday. Just because the Imperium is the best humanity has in Warhammer, it does not mean is the best they could ever have in this situation. A ton of threats humanity faces in Warhammer are due to the fact they have a terrible political system.

[@JumpierNewt8956]

I would consider myself a tourist for warhammer as I have only played space marine 2 and seen parts of the show. And I'd say with the little knowledge I have that the tyranids and heretics are far from innocent. Kinda makes me wonder if he even knows what they are.

[@arthurcosta4643]

I mean... Is it wrong, thought? The Imperium is indeed facist, and it does indeed kill innocent people all the time. Just because there are worse factions, it doesnt mean the Imperium is not an objectively theocratic authoritarian shithole. A lot of the problems the Imperium face are due to its nature as a repressive society: If they were less corrupt and were not religious fanatics, their technological stagnation would not have happened, and who knows, they could have solved the problem of their poverty by achieving a post scarcity society, or even fiding a new way of travelling throught the universe without depending on a corpse god that requires the sacrifice of thousands everyday. Just because the Imperium is the best humanity has in Warhammer, it does not mean is the best they could ever have in this situation. A ton of threats humanity faces in Warhammer are due to the fact they have a terrible political system.

[@arthurcosta4643]

​​@@JumpierNewt8956I dont think he ever said the enemies of the Imperium were innocent, just that the Imperium indeed killed and slaved innocent people within their own domains.

[@arthurcosta4643]

I mean... He is not wrong, the Imperium is indeed a facist state. Just because there are worse factions, it does nit mean suddenly that the Imperium is good. Humanity does not need the Imperium to survive: Plenty of problems are caused exactly because of their political structure. If they were not as coruupted and as fanatic as they are, their technology, for example, would not be stagnant, and maybe they could achieve a post scarcity society, or at least be able to find a way to travel around space that does not necessitate the sacrifice of millions of people to a glorified cadaver.

[@VanceHelw]

This Adam guy is an IRL Genestealer Cultist.

[@dean_l33]

That'd imply he is cunning or smart enpugh to fool anyone

[@someweirdguyfromvault1391]

he's like a genestealer infiltrating an ork klan, he gets krumped within seconds because he's clearly not what he says

[@ssuyy1991]

LONG LIVE THE HIVE

[@Yotrymp]

Don't people like that have tunnels under NYC?

[@worldspam5682]

@@dean_l33 wtf are you talking about? Only orks are cunning) Yeah, and genestealers are not that much cunning. They are straight up manipulating people's minds. Otherwise, it would have been a piece of cake to get rid of them.

[@thomasbardoux1692]

Just a précision, according to Priestley (who wrote the original lore), it was never satire. They were simply trying to make a cool setting for their wargame

[@RobotTanuki]

I think that's the largest misconception, and people will point to parodic elements in the universe, which did exist at one point, such as the Rainbow Warriors (iirc?) who at one point was destroyed by the Sisters of Battle, which is a reference to a Green Peace boat of the same name sunk by the French (again, I remember reading about it and details are a little hazy but it's been decanonized and I coild be wrong). Regardless, having parodic elements does not mean the whole setting is satire or parody. Warcraft contain many references to popculture, such as the Gnome character who was basically Link. Does that mean the whole Warcraft universe is parody or satire now? As you said, it was some nerds putting stuff they like into a blender (Dune, 2000AD, etc) and make a cool setting they like. Occam's Razor.

[@thomasbardoux1692]

@RobotTanuki exactly, warcraft was always shock full of those. I mean, we had a full on parody of the first Indiana Jones with a blood elf Indiana facing a nazi goblin

[@pyxelknyght7149]

Imma be real champ, the original lore is so far removed from modern lore this means absolutely nothing

[@thomasbardoux1692]

@@pyxelknyght7149 the intention is still there. We can see it by observing how, despite GW trying to go on the "yeah it's satire" vibe, people love the more for being cool, epic, dark and funny. The lore might have changed, but not it's core mood

[@elrodrigo4102]

It's literally the same argument about Starship Troopers transplanted into 40k, and they used it for Helldivers 2 as well! Liberals have no creativity!

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

He destroys his own point within the first minute of the video, he mentions the eldar, dark eldar, orks, tyranids and chaos all wanting to slaughter humanity, so the imperium is...the bad guy for killing the ones trying to kill them? His line of reasoning is so distorted

[@08AAA-0]

Just saw you on Lumi's vid not long ago lol, Im surprise to see you here. The algorithm is scary huh.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

@08AAA-0 which one?

[@themagalanium9491]

it's the leftists sympathizing with the bugs again

[@kes.7774]

Are the Imperium the nice guys lol?

[@Abekrampe]

Two things can be true at once, which is the point of Adams video. Media literacy isn’t your strong suit.

[@plastikloser]

The biggest problem in 40k, is that the lion has not meet gulliman yet. And were already guessing what the next returned primarch will be, when nothing major has happened with the last one besides spanking angron

[@HolyknightVader999]

It should be Sanguinius.

[@jrsviking215]

​@@HolyknightVader999I hate to be the bearer of bad news but he's kinda dead

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@jrsviking215 Exactly. He should be the next one to be revived.

[@jrsviking215]

@@HolyknightVader999 no he's dead dead. Guilliman was momentarily dead but quickly revived woth eldar magic after being in stasis for a few thousand years so his body was still there and well enough to sustain itself. The lion was just sleeping in the rock. Sanguinius is dead and has been dead for 10k years and that's not something you're just resurrected from randomly. If he ever returns in the future it'll be through some miracle manifested by the emperor himself and right now, with the lore where it is rn, that's not gonna happen yet.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@jrsviking215 Well, there you go. The Emperor could resurrect him given enough power. Maybe they bring some kind of energy source to try and revive the Emperor, but it's not enough, so the Emperor redirects that energy to Sanguinius.

[@LordNithilus]

Facism is when you wear more stylish uniforms than the other side

[@appalachianwarcriminal]

i thought it was playing roblox and saying slurs

[@LordNithilus]

@@appalachianwarcriminal There's some overlap.

[@pyxelknyght7149]

That was never the point in his video. He gives details as to why they’re fascist (Undying loyalty to a charismatic leader, willingness to commit atrocious acts, reliance on xenophobia and ‘the other’ to categorize and destroy living beings, a strict hierarchy and intense propaganda). He simply states Warhammer has a problem of using the aesthetics of fascism without critiquing it well, which encourages fascists to align with and co-opt the setting.

[@isiahalcindor6278]

​@@pyxelknyght7149that's wrong and War Hammer doesn't have fascist aestetics

[@pyxelknyght7149]

@@isiahalcindor6278 I mean... it does. You can live in denial about that but Krieg (one of the top three Guard subfactions) is literally just WW1 or 2 German Aesthetic. Compare Comissar uniforms to SS uniforms. Military parades, military strongmen, a constant push for conquering, purging those you deem unacceptable, a complete lack of human rights, and how literally everything is as hierarchical as it can be makes it seem awful fascist. If you want to change my mind provide actual evidence for your argument instead of just telling me I'm wrong lol

[@JohnDJ08]

Suffer not the heretic, the xeno, the traitor to live, but most of all, suffer not the tourist to lie and subvert the fandom.

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

Our Faith in the Emperor shall not be deterred by these obvious heretics and their lies

[@maximilliannewcombe1719]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠Adam Something is an ex-right wing extremist. He mentions this a lot (his public transport and infrastructure videos are tolerable but his political ones are terrible). He moved left at some point but he never really abandoned the extremist mindset and worldview, he just changed sides. It’s tough for someone like that to really engage with any type of escapist storytelling because of how all-encompassing their worldview is in terms of their self identity. Zealots are emotionally bound to and blinkered in their worldview by their political beliefs, beliefs that are often not even based on principle- it’s all about the emotional result for them. They are addicted to the high of ‘justified’ aggression against the outgroup, moral grandstanding, and appearing as enlightened to their peers/prestige-seeking. It consumes their life. They are compelled to constantly try to figure out whether the writer is ‘one of them’ and compelled to attack them if they are not, but because they cannot distinguish between representation of something and support of it they often go after any story that features any protagonist that is not 100% pure based on their moral standards. Nuance is dead to Adam Something, the video isn’t bait he just has an emotional and identify based vested interest in not actually understanding the setting.

[@Weezypillar]

Well said analysis!

[@zeogold]

Adam is proof that some people can only be extremists.

[@alabastertheunicorn3204]

He likely never was and only says it to garner views on his channel.

[@Idontevenwanachannel]

People like him are living proof of horseshoe theory.

[@Abekrampe]

Sounds like projection

[@corvus_armatura7595]

27:11 He's acting as if the Sisters of Battle who never even hire accepted mutants or most if not all of the Imperial Guard if ordered to will not do the same thing. Like did he not play the game? Did he even see the other humans fighting in the Imperium?

[@elrodrigo4102]

His entire video could be summarized with: "the problem with warhammer 40k is that is doesn't appeal to my liberal ideology"!

[@ifjNagyMiklos]

Worse. It's the problem with Warhammer: let's talk about Starship troopers listing redit 101, than prove that he has no idea what are Adepta Sororitas or Salamanders or memes.

[@zeogold]

It's not liberal ideology, it's commie ideology. Big difference.

[@apolloaerospace7773]

Adam Something is left, not liberal.

[@OCinneide]

And he's not even a liberal. He wants mass state surveillance to clamp down on online harrassment.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

The guys knows so little of 40k he threw both a Ravenor and an Eisenhorn, before the section about killing 10.000 civilians nonsense. You know, two prominent inquisitors who usually work covertly with the purpose of basically preventing that kind of thing to happen.

[@Nomisdoowtsae]

Red Flags: Calling a totalitarian theocracy "fascism", putting DoW 3 in the selection of "Popular AAA games", claiming that Beunos Aires was a false flag attack in spite of the movie showing you how the bug meteors get from A to B, strawmanning the complaints about the Addeptus Custodes retcon as misogyny....... and thats not even halfway throgh the video.

[@athomicritics]

lets not forget that other movies down the line show the arachnids managing to invade both Pluto and Mars , yet somehow transporting an asteroid toward earth is impossible for them according to him

[@Nomisdoowtsae]

@@athomicritics was nice to see the proper power armour in Traitor of Mars too

[@jay18001]

The movie never once shows how the bugs would send a meteor. It's only ever a propaganda channel saying "hey look at these meteors the bugs are throwing at us... across an entire galaxy". It's far more believablethat it was a false flag.

[@AndrBR0]

Current problem with 40K is how writers cant figure out and agree on power scaling of each faction

[@19Crusader91]

Its exactly these kind of people the gates are meant to keep out.

[@pyxelknyght7149]

“These kind of people” god I love how these comments just prove that Warhammer does have a problem.

[@tyraelpl]

@@pyxelknyght7149 It does, with these kind of people xD

[@squall6439]

@@pyxelknyght7149he’s literally right tho

[@appalachianwarcriminal]

@@pyxelknyght7149 yeah, cry about it.

[@dantealighieri4543]

Yes there's a problem, the weirdos needing the setting to be changed just for political reasons Saying that *these people are the problem* is absolutely right because it's always terminally online individuals that can't enjoy anything without seen it through the lenses of politics, that behavior is quite irrational and leads to media turning into something boring and uninteresting.​@@pyxelknyght7149

[@unknowncryptid115]

I like to call these types of arguments the soyjack fallacy. The argument is basically: I drew you as the soyjack and me as the based chad. Therefore, you are wrong.

[@Abekrampe]

So about refuting any of the arguments made in the video, where are we on that?

[@unknowncryptid115]

​@@Abekrampe We are right on schedule. Many videos have been made dunking on this breadtuber. We expect a full ratio by the end of the month.

[@Abekrampe]

@@unknowncryptid115 Not one person in the comments or video response is addressing the crux of the argument. Fascist grim dark setting being seen as a cool and inspirational example of humanity while trillions suffer in the empire, it’s thought provoking to say the least. The best argument I heard against it so far is: “you’re wrong because I interpret the lore differently.” You’re free to do so but saying that is “dunking” on someone isn’t as great of an argument as you think.

[@carsandsports123]

Cuase the Crux is faulty. Imperium is more similar to a totalitarian fuedaal society with theocratic elements than facism. The faction that believes is race heirarchy and the state unquestion purpose is the Tau. Plenty of comments have stated this and the rest is just fun extras dunking on people who see facism everywhere

[@dennisbowes3972]

@@Abekrampe I've been a fan of Warhammer since 2005 both fantasy and 40K .you can read the adeptice mechanicus books they talk about all kinds of bad shit you can talk read the Guardsman books can read some of the Dark Eldar books you don't even have to read any of this you can listen to it on Audible . yeah the Imperium is bad but no fan looks at the Imperium and says I want to live in that real fen say no it's a horrible place it's just a cool setting. tourists though they're the people who say oh I love Warhammer I'd love to be in that universe. he's clearly not read any of the books he's done a surface level dive in his video comparing it to Starship Troopers he thinks it's Rogue Trader lore. the lore has changed since then it's solidified and first edition and second edition and became Warhammer 40K but instead of taking the time to understand what's going on in the universe he's angry that people who don't understand it are saying this is cool where's all the actual fans already understand what's going on and The Game Dev said they just wanted to make a fun game long enough explanation on how people actually feel .

[@Zalinth]

PSA: GW uses high and low gothic (latin and english) interchangeably regarding the singularization of "Custodes" (pronounced cuh-stoh-deez). "Custodes" is the plural, and is high gothic, but most sources I can find refer to the singular as a "Custodian" which is low gothic. For those who are curious, the high gothic singular would be "Custos" and, obviously, the low gothic plural would be "Custodians." :3

[@wedoalittlemonkeybusiness6545]

cuh sto deez nuts

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

Huh, cool. Thank you random internet man.

[@Flesh_Wizard]

The Adept Custard is the obviously correct one

[@dennisbowes3972]

I thought High Gothic was German mixed with Latin and low Gothic was Latin mixed with any language the planet spoke .you tell me how you figured this out. I've been trying to figure this out for years .also please don't just say Google it I've gotten 700 different answers from that

[@LadyRunesong]

Funny how these “fans” also always end up disparaging their own hobby. 🤔

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

yeah loud minority of salty ass people, only spreading negativity

[@nottarealhumanbeing8701]

Every single time.

[@sonofastudstudios4552]

Exactly, there was one guy in another video like this calling the guy a grifter and was in general telling 40k fans it was never for them and was always meant to make fun of the right. He says he was a fan since 2004, honestly I can never understand those types of people

[@TheMutantssolosyourverse]

well being a real fan is not being a fan boy of something you can see the flaws in it

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

The brainbug eating the brain of the pilot is no problem for this muppet, but he calls it torture when the humans does basically the same thing. The humans don't have to schlurp ze brains in order to attain ze information though

[@firefang600]

Think this is the same guy who tried to get atomic heart canceled

[@Weezypillar]

I KNEW this nonsense sounded familiar!😂

[@7h3_man]

Got a source for that one?

[@DisasterLord]

So this clown has a repeated pattern

[@kabbablabba4073]

was it because its a russian game lol

[@denishrg9843]

@@kabbablabba4073 yes, he was a TITANIC Ukraine shill (notice how silent he is about the conflict now that the war isn't in their favor?)

[@sanguinemarine8144]

Just a reminder of this breadtuber media literate that you are shredding. Media literates were wrong on Fallout being a critique on capitalism. Because Tim Cain (The co-creator of Fallout) stated it that the point of the games was war being an inevitability due to human nature. Hell, even Emil Pagliarulo (Bethesda's subpar writer) affirmed him. Like seriously, how did they miss "War. War never changes" in every intro of the games?

[@Kohth_0]

He also said he doesn't disapprove of that reading of fallout either but we're just gonna leave that part out

[@mobiusone6994]

@@Kohth_0 he doesn't disapprove, but also says it's not what it is

[@keqet12]

@@Kohth_0 He does not dispapprove, but he confirms that it was never the point the game was trying to make

[@kabbablabba4073]

media literacy: when you agree with my politics and interpret things the same way that i do.

[@alshabib5849]

They wanted to miss it and just wanted to see what they wanted. Honestly, it wouod be perfectly fine if they wanted to view fiction through their lense (fallout definitely does have the themes in it to be seen that way with vault Tec). Good art is 3 dimensional and should ideally be able to be subjective enough that the person viewing it can take something individually away from it. Fallout new Vegas is as loved as it is because it does just that, anyone playing that can justify a faction or ideology and it's pretty closely viable in that game without at all saying who is right. The problem enters when these sorts of intellectual imperialists demand that their interpretation is the only correct one

[@Buch0u_1]

38:59 HE DOESN'T KNOW ELDAR GO TO SLAANESH?? That's basic as shit lore. I realize he's a tourist but holy hell.

[@GameTavern2224]

I'll be real and say I didn't know about that. most of what I know is passing about stuff like the Chaos factions, the Orks, and the Tyrannids

[@Buch0u_1]

@GameTavern2224 if eldar don't have a soul stone or it breaks, their soul goes to slaanesh when they die

[@GameTavern2224]

@@Buch0u_1 thanks for the lore

[@morgothastartes]

Suffer not tourist to live! Purge the unclean!

[@grasstouchersensei]

Was watching this dudes building videos and was kinda enjoying them, clicked on the 40k video and had the biggest 180 of opinion about him of all time 😂

[@Karak-_-]

Corection - 99% of Adam's content is about public infrastructure and bullshit plans of millionares. He did few Ukraine-Russia videos. but those aren't the bulk of his content.

[@IHaveAName1824]

wow he REALLY owned the chuds didnt he?

[@Al-xq4ec]

We should ask his wife's boyfriend to find out.

[@dizzpenzerr5367]

Like I said with the Femstodes situation, it's not that they were added was bad. If they added something along the lines of "The Custodes was a male faction because they wanted to copy the Emperor's vaunted Primarchs. But due to the devastation of their numbers during the Horus Heresy and the many battles they've fought in the interim, they couldn't be as stringent on who they recruit. They've only recently started accepting women who have proved themselves into their glorious ranks and here are these are the first wave of Custodes with women in their group who have passed the many trials in order to join their faction." would have gone a long way to appease people. Instead they chose the ever boring option of "they've always been there" and started calling anyone who disagreed or was confused to be sexist.

[@Taco0718]

As a political moderate, I find any kind of politicization annoying left or right. It's annoying when left and right wing people take 40k seriously. For crying out loud, 40k was created by a bunch of Boomer and Gen X punk British nerds making fun of 1980s British society smh.

[@JustSiouxMe]

I think the problem is that both sides don't understand what "everything is political" means. They think it means all art is making a political statement. When really, all it means is that art is informed by the politics of the culture it was created in (40k being 1980s Britain). Artist simply draw inspiration from the world they live in.

[@alastor8091]

What's more annoying is fake fans acting like 40k can't or shouldn't be taken seriously. Go read the books. The philosophies in the lore changed me for the better as a person. It's not satire, it's not just goofy garbage like Orks.

[@carsandsports123]

​@@JustSiouxMe So it could be the left is more in control of Hollywood but it seems they are the ones perpetuating everything is political as their messaging is less and less subtle.

[@tyraelpl]

I dont get why 1/4wits like that cant get that in the 41st millennium the reality is so bad that humanity can no longer afford to be lenient or too compassionate? Srsly. It's all about survival. Btw the motif of humanity and what does it even mean to be human anymore is a big thing. Had he actually done ANY real research he'd have known. Look at the salamanders.

[@Yotrymp]

It's entirely because they're evil. They are corrupted. Very small chance their mindsets ever change.

[@6arag3]

Videos on Wh40k and the Starship Troopers movie like that are the 'i need easy to make content for the month' button for some people.

[@newIrons]

“Do not ask ‘why kill the xeno,’ but ask ‘why not?’”

[@Xygenscenic]

A disingenuous breadtuber? Shocker.

[@dud5606]

I wonder how could he unironically convince himself he's not the racist one when it is him who compares bugs and orcs to jews and black people.

[@redphenix5679]

The amount of people who attempt to defend Adam in the coments is both hilarious and scary at the same time

[@Al-xq4ec]

They are just upset that their wives play SM2 with their boyfriends while they are left to just sit and watch.

[@Hakar17]

What's amusing is that its literally impossible for the Imperium to be fasci*t. Because that requires a level of centralized power that their FTL is to slow to maintain.😂😂

[@isuckatusernames4297]

adam something made some community posts about 40k, perticularly about his love of the tau faction and him not understanding the custodes retcon "drama"

[@reinhardtc.p]

In other words,a tourist.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@reinhardtc.p I mean, he did buy a decently sized tau army, so there's that.

[@AuVeI]

​@@isuckatusernames4297Owning minis doesn't make one not a tourist

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@AuVeI fair enough, althought I did want to highlight this perticular detail about him, he may have the mindset, but he at least has some level of dedication to the hobby.

[@ImperialCommissarRikart]

This doesnt matter to the people who watch this video Anyone who plays anything besides imperium is a woke liberal leftist communist !! ( don't tell them that once they scare everyone out of the hobby they will have no Chaos or Xenos players to play against )

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

He never played Space Marine 2, let alone 1. You start the game by virus bombing the planet and that idiot is claiming they erased the atrocities?

[@totally_not_a_troll]

Has he ever played the Feluja game where you literally commit war crimes and pour white phosphor on civilians? Maybe he should

[@jurtra9090]

Spec Ops The Line?

[@cry0genic784]

I remember when "humans cause the war and are the bad guys" in starship troopers was just a cool fan theory and was treated as such.

[@nerdweebotrash3298]

Dude literally reads the whole concept of humanity on the brink of extinction, and somehow comes to the conclusion humans bad? Like I’m new to the war hammer 40k universe, but I understand that although humanity does some pretty horrible things, it’s necessary for the survival of mankind.

[@dennisbowes3972]

welcome to the Warhammer fanbase.

[@briarblack7437]

Dude unironically just straight up describes Kharn the Betrayer and says "This is your brain on loyalism" Like... What? Lmao.

[@otherside1284]

Honestly, it baffled me how Adam went from making fun of actually atrocious ideas made by the population’s 0.1%, to making this video essay out of nowhere

[@BSpinoza210]

For it being a grimdark genre, wouldn't it make more sense if they DIDN'T have any equality, inclusion, ect...? Like, the whole idea around satire is to lampoon the very ideologies you personally oppose?

[@hereticofyew]

Its alway the same thing; "i love x and let me tell you how much i am a fan of x, but x has problem so lets juat fundamentally change x...."

[@deathryder420]

he says the grimdark aspect of 40k is left out of the games bur in space marine 2 he doesn't know titus's personal history clearly but also in the game yes 2nd company defeates chaos but it comes at the cost of the tyranids being left unchecked long enough to reduce the planets to dust, rocks and mounds of biomass so to simplify, the cost of victory against chaos was to fail to stop the tyranids

[@jubbalubby]

I feel like we have an annual quota for "Space Marine is facism" video essays at this point.

[@jamesknighton4489]

By the by if anyone want to know why the guy in the video is so wrong, look up the months of Shame with the Space wolves and what they were doing to save the people of Armageddon.

[@micahthezilla9432]

He said 40th millennium. It’s the 41st, dummy.

[@what4521]

42nd already, welcome back from cryosleep.

[@theunseenparagon7074]

How can ANYONE not look at the Comic of the wounded Guardsman with the Eldar and not see something tragically noble in that? It is heavily implied that Eldar was the one who wounded him, likely killing the rest of his squad, and is now moving to finish him off (inciting the inquiry as to why he still smiles). Is the creator of the original video implying that the Guardsman was wrong to want to take his enemy with him? That he should have just allowed the Alien Invader to win (which would likely result in either enslavement or death)? Or does he think the Eldar will actually... spare him (because he probably thinks they are also the 'good' guys)? I don't know why but this moment made me madder than anything else in the video. Probably because I've heard a lot of the other nonesense reiterated many times over.

[@Abekrampe]

Probably because you think dying in battle is noble. Not thinking of WHY you’re dying in battle is the problem.

[@theunseenparagon7074]

@Abekrampe Is there not nobility in such a thing within the context of 40k? This man has his reasons for fighting, despite what some bureaucrat or Inquisitor may have, and he does so with the belief he is fighting to protect his family, comrades, homeworld (or the memory of it), and religion, against the multitude of evils that would see his people destroyed or enslaved. Death is a tragedy, and in war it is bountiful, but those who make the ultimate sacrifice for their fellows (for greater or for nought) should not be dismissed. The point is that, in the universe of 40k, simply raging against the dark, staving off the inevitable in a monstrously cruel galaxy, is a virtue. It is a testament to the most HUMAN of values and biological imperatives: to fight, one way or another, for survival. Sometimes, this means that the few give their lives for the many, and do so willingly. The Imperium, Eldar, and Tau are all practice this blind devotion to a cause (be it to the Emperor, the great plan, or the Greater Good), and willingly give their lives, for their own people or ideology, because they all believe they are righteous.

[@Abekrampe]

@@theunseenparagon7074 And it still doesn’t make them noble or right. Everything you mentioned is more or less a textbook definition of being brainwashed. Follow blindly, rather dying than living in shame, seeing others as enemies even when offered peace. The point is not to idolize these factions. No one unironically idolizes the chaos gods, so why would you treat the fictional human empire differently?

[@theunseenparagon7074]

@@Abekrampe This isn't about 'idolizing' a Faction of a fictional setting as though it were something to follow in the real world - no sane person, nor the majority of Warhammer fans who know the setting, would want a regime like the Imperium to exist. It is about having abstract thought, being able to immerse yourself in that universe, and see things from the perspectives of the characters whilst also grasping their reasons for acting the way they do. That is what reading stories is all about - not to take it everything in the story literally and assume that anyone who likes a Faction adheres to their ideals. (If that were the case, all Eldar players would be racist supremacists, all Dark Eldar players would be hedonistic degenerates and all Ork players would value might makes right above all else.) In the context of any fictional universe, what an individual man fights for, brainwashed or not, can be presented as virtuous or villainous. You can sympathise with him or loath him, pity him even, but if you can imagine yourself in their shoes, then perhaps you can comprehend them, and see them in a new light. If no one could do this, there would be no art of storytelling other than that of non-fictional accounts. When you read a 40k story, who do you support? Who do you cheer on? What do you consider to be virtuous? Do you think anyone is virtuous? And what do you think the Guardsman have done in that situation?

[@theunseenparagon7074]

@@Abekrampe Also, 'offered peace' in the context of Warhammer is so often slavery or annihilation. Trading one chain for another. No Faction truly wants 'peace' unless it is they who can rule it. - The Imperium want human supremacy over the galaxy, and to extend the reach of the their God's vision until only they remain. - The Eldar want supremacy and rulership over a galaxy that is no longer theirs, and see all others as either foes or primitive stock to be utilised for their own ends. - The Tau believe it is their right to rule over every other race in the galaxy, and originally did so by force, before being forced back by the Imperium - after which they employed diplomacy and sabotage to force other civilisations to join them. Not very different from the Imperium during the Great Crusade. The point is, there is no 'good' Faction who wants the kind of peace you and I might consider in the real world. That is the reason the setting is the way it is, and why the factions are the way they are.

[@mainmustardmenace5010]

Since you mentioned Trench Crusade, I think it would be cool to see some of the "Demons good" cope in that universe

[@Qweiku]

Sometimes I feel like giving those losers air is what they wanted in the first place

[@Twr0740]

Those who try to push their agenda in warhammer are a joke. You, the individual control your aspect of the game. It's your models, your game. Simply ignore those who want to try and ruin it with their beliefs. Don't give them your energy

[@shadowshandbro]

Haven't watched fully yet, but I KNOW I am going to enjoy this.

[@hiukas.]

You should have prepared a Bingo card for this s**t

[@speznaleague2710]

"Whether it’s the left or the right - I’m sick of Warhammer being used for political agendas. It’s ruining the hobby, and no one can have a normal conversation about it anymore. Criticism should spark discussion, not turn into an ideological battlefield. You’re both part of the problem. And honestly, your reaction doesn’t help either. You barely explain your own points and ignore most of the arguments in the video you’re responding to. If you want to be taken seriously, engage with the content properly."

[@D00dman]

Why is this in quotes?

[@seinarukishi9228]

​@D00dman Because they are a mentally ill leftist

[@Nikotheleepic]

"both sides are the issue" no I think there is one side infecting and demonizing literally everything that doesn't explicitly support their ideology, the other side is just defending the thing they love that those people infected like a cancer.

[@terminator572]

Who said that, why is this in quotation marks

[@mostcomplicatedman8115]

40k cannot be for everyone because todays society is too sensitive and complain about everything . i lose my interest about entertainment because of these crybaby people .

[@richardanthony5020]

Adam is like the direct counterpart of synthetic man. Neither know anything about 40k but try to push modern politics and “thing bad” nonsense using it. At least synthetic man admitted he knew nothing about 40k😂

[@CHESTNUT246]

did synthetic man do a vid on 40k?

[@richardanthony5020]

@@CHESTNUT246 he did one of space marine 2 complaining about black space marines, the female cadian leader, and claiming the emperor is a white dude. Apparently not knowing that space marines have never been racially homogenous, the cadians and the astra militarum as a whole are coed, and that the emperor is canonically middle eastern.🤣

[@carsandsports123]

Gots that cringe. I wish right leaning people like me could disown dogwhistlers

[@richardanthony5020]

@ at this point both parties are becoming caricatures of what opposing media describes them as. Especially the more extremist members of each.

[@Uthandol]

As someone who is a conservative and been into the hobby since Rogue Trader (let that sink in). He isnt wrong about everything. The Imperium is not a good a place. It isnt or wasnt meant to be a good place or idolized. Its survival brought down to its most basic. Its a universe where extinction is so real that humanity HAS to be this way. Its a concept on the horrors of life and reality and how thin morality is when faced with extinction. The Imperium is fucking terrible. It does bad things to exist and because BAD PEOPLE take advantage of it. 40k has always been......... 40k. There is a facet of the game and lore where the chaos gods can be considered "better" than the Imperium and each god having positive aspects, Tzzeench and hope. Nurgle and life ect. The problem I see as a vet of the hobby is the fault in GW. They 100% feed what I call "bolter porn" where indeed the space marines are considered noble. Perhaps they are using a in universe commentary but they do not make that clear at all. All and all, this dude is a bleepin idiot. But even the stupidest people are sometimes right.

[@dariyarudakova7093]

Russia demonstrated the trophies as a way to visually show what types of weapons are used by Ukraine. This is both information, entertainment and propaganda (which every country has). Ukrainians also periodically install a damaged Russian tank somewhere in Europe, with similar propaganda motives. What does the general loss of equipment have to do with it? They are big on both sides. This is the modern war that has been going on for almost 2 years. A person doesn't understand shit about Warhammer, the war in general, and the Russian-Ukrainian conflict in particular.

[@alshabib5849]

His bringing up of mass effect renegade shows he never played that game either. Renegade isn't psycho simulator it's being practical over being sentimental. You can be heroic while also being renegade perfectly fine, your just results oriented while doing it and lore likely to shoot the evil bad guy instead of falling for the "hold on if you kill me you'll be just as bad as me" brow beating

[@TheAngryXenite]

To be fair, Renegade varies wildly from decision to decision, and game to game. In ME1, it can be about ruthless pragmatism, but it can also be sadistic behavior or xenophobia (on the other side of this coin, you can be a human patriot who puts Alliance interests before galactic ones without being an outright bigot). In 2 and 3, they largely sand off the outright xenophobic elements of Commander Shepard, so instead your choices are being a hardass, prioritizing brutal efficiency and ends justify means tactics, and furthering humanity at the expense of the rest of the galaxy. You can do some absolutely depraved shit, some of which has little actual benefit beyond being evil, but for the most part you're ultimately doing everything in the service of avoiding galactic extinction.

[@greggjackson1052]

There are a lot of right wingers without prior interest bitching too. Fuck "culture war" youtube. I welcome The Great Devourer.

[@slipknot0452]

The Great Devourer doesn't discriminate

[@Nikotheleepic]

"both sides" you are scum, left wing "people" are like a cancer upon mankind

[@sonofastudstudios4552]

Ninjago?

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

I heard from my friend that apparently GW made the female custodes just to show Amazon how bad the warhammer community would take it. Idk if it’s true but if it is this sounds like a based move from GW, so for now at least I’m going to believe it.

[@TheAngryXenite]

I heard that Amazon wanted to heavily scale back the role of the Imperial Cult, if not outright remove it, because they felt that following soldiers in the service of an oppressive theocratic government, and generally a society in the grips of extreme religious fervor, would be too obviously evil for a lot of people, and GW told them no pointblank.

[@terminator572]

I doubt it. GW has shown time and again that it's leadership is as disconnected from the fanbase as can be.

[@Jb-id1bu]

I'm fairly certain they DID do it for Amazon, but not for that reason. Lol. Iirc, that show Amazon was going to do with Cavill (who is a massive Custodes fan, and the show was meant to have them in a major role from my memory) wanted female characters because of their "guidelines".....and refused the option of the Sisters of Silence (becausr mute) and Sisters of Battle (because "too religious" 😅). So GW just retconned tf out of the Custodes to make the deal I guess. So yeah, probably just greed more than any respectable reason. 😂

[@chickenmaster66]

At the end of the first space marine Titus stops a warp portal from opening by grabbing an chaos artifact and destroying it. Leandro’s your squad mate. Snitches on you to the chaplain who basically banishes Titus for 300 years and tortures him and send him to die with the death watch. Instead of hailing him as a hero. They try to kill him. Space marine 2 is not a celebration of the empire like that dude thinks it is. Doesn’t take a lot to understand that

[@Ali-bu6lo]

19:20 Not really, most of his content is about urban planning and transportation, especially criticizing Dubai and Elon Musk. He has only made three or four videos about Ukraine war.

[@JustSiouxMe]

The point of the bugs not actually being the aggressors in starship troopers is that countless humans went to a horrible death needlessly, coz the federation just wanted an excuse to go to war. The fillm has people literally dressed as SS officers, its so on the nose. This is not comparable to 40k tho. All the 40k lore is really to justify why any faction can be fighting any other faction. Space Marines slaghtering humans in lore is so yiu can have matches between Space Marine and Imperial Guard players The mistake people making these critisims make is assuming that the space marines are the main characters of 40k, when really they are just one of the factions you can choose to play. As an aside, Verhoven didnt write the screenplay for Starship Troopers, Edward Neumeier did. He also wrote Verhovens most highly regarded film, RoboCop. Which also had very blatant elements of satire in it. The reason its annoying to hear people constantly go on about how ST is satiracle is because its so obvious you need to be a fucking retard to have missed it, and these people use it to announce "look at how smart I am" Its not a case "no its not coz scawwie bug monster!" Its "and water is fucking wet"

[@faintspectator896]

This video is 46 minutes of yapping "he's wrong" without any useful information

[@David-cv7zi]

The original video doesn't really make any arguments either. It's all just-so argumentation.

[@Epic_Lunny]

I feel like the better argument is for which faction is the lesser evil, not who's the good guys. I feel like the "good guys" isn't applicable within 40k

[@zorrozangoose5928]

There are good counters to the breadtube video, you likely know considerably more about Warhammer lore than I do but you just dismiss everything the video says instead of offering good rebuttals. The only real response you have is "you would side with the humans" which yes is true. But besides that the rest of the video is just you saying you don't like lefties. Even if I agree lefties are cringe I wish you actually contended with the ideas.

[@Yotrymp]

The video would be days long with thorough arguments. Adam is just lying constantly. The books, lore, and other games are mentioned as rebuttals. If you merely take a small genuine interest in the hobby/games for a week or month, Adam is then clearly a reeturd.

[@leflamewolf]

I'm a fairly regular watcher of Adam Something, and I have to say he makes plenty of quite reasonable videos, but man was he way out of his depth for this one it's insane he even considered making it. Dude should stick with public transport and tech bros.

[@zoltantapai3716]

Adam is the type of Hungarian that is so disillusioned from the current domestic politics that he joins something that seems to be a good alternative but later turns out to have major faults of its own. However those are forgiven because most of us cannot bear the idea of standing by a cause just for it to go to shit in some form over and over again. The last few hundred years of Hungarian history is full of sutch causes and our people either become withdrawn from politics completely or support something religiously just because it opposes the currently ongoing corrupt system and all of its ideas. He does make some good points when he talks about stuff he is actually knowledgeable about like public transportation which used to be the main topic of his channel. It is sad to see him go so fiercely political. Public transportation is a very politics adjacent topic but he used to critique it from a technological standpoint instead of a political one.

[@ericmcmanus5179]

The problem wasn't even that they changed the lore, but that they tried to say they didn't change the lore and that women were always included in the custodian line. Just straight up gas lighting by GW.

[@coreytaylor5386]

some people care more about the world building and internal consistency of their stories more than real world politics, especially if they go into a fictional story for a temporary escape from the real world and its insane that other people cant quite get that

[@mathewperring]

Not bright enough to understand argument.

[@thebreadbringer]

I like this guy's content about public transport a lot, but he needs to stay in his lane. Even the folks in his subreddit are calling this video out for the disingenuous garbage that it is. Good fucking lord.

[@OBrasa]

Nice that I took time to watch the response video, thanks Adam Something for doing it, and for him, my full support

[@jaqssmith1666]

we laughed at time cube, but the people have truly been educated stupid.

[@FANG3D]

This is a terrible video as you are just immediately dismissive of any of this guy’s views and don’t even criticize his takes and rather just get annoyed especially the starship troopers part

[@Alzir-n9m]

Ah, the sweet taste of warhammer baby tears. Adam has singlehandedly made the entire community shit and cry in their baby diapers, that alone is a triumph.

[@auriel1353]

Quick question into tha void didn't woman were always a thing like the sister that guard the golden throne or something like that ?

[@Weezypillar]

Sisters of battle, Sisters of Silence, female guard, “female” techpriests. All of these things exist and have existed. Major female characters are also a thing. Always have been.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

I don't even think the Imperium of Man even allows sentient Xenos to live as slaves , they really just don't want them to live like at all.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

might have been some earlier lore.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

@@isuckatusernames4297 Don't think so. Even the Mechanicus frowns upon using xenos for servitor parts, this is also probably why the servo skulls are generally still human skulls.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@corvus_armatura7595 might have been some blurb in some codex from like 3rd edition or something like that, or maybe a misinterpretation of the fact that the imperium does allow xeno flora/fauna and sometimes will even farm them.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

@@isuckatusernames4297 You do realize I said sentient there. The only real "slaves" that the codexes allow the imperium to bring on the tabletop are servitors made from humans. While some in Necromunda may weaponize/eat Ambulls. Ambulls are neither smart nor sentient.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

@@isuckatusernames4297 I already said sentient not non-sentient ones. An Ambull is not exactly on the same level as an Orc.

[@workrase1]

At this point. I`d do pretty much anything these lefties tell me not to because its whatever -phobic -ist or whatever word they can think of.

[@oldtype45234]

If you hate him that much don't give him engagement, no dislikes, no dissing comment, nothing!

[@therandomlaniusedward2140]

Doesn't space marine 2 have the "astropathic relay" mission, where they keep psykers?

[@EnginesofNurgle-ku9ug]

Ah yes space marine 2, the game which takes away the grimdark of 40K like guardsmen getting slaughtered, lobotomized servitors, full blown daemonic incursion, & the like. None of that grimdark in Space Marine 2!

[@trentpeterson3495]

What I love is that the god emperor trump parade was done by the left then we picked it up as a joke.

[@blairscartoonshistory7477]

Funny enough after people called him out on his bad take, he started posting his Tau Army, yes he a Tau player and seeing how small his army is, he new to the hobby

[@athomicritics]

in his latest community post on his channel adam revealed he own and painted a 40k army which make his video so much worst in how the fuck could he be so wrong about the lore

[@alucult]

The first minute of this video describes grim dawk the KZbin channel

[@JosephHarder-q3e]

I have one problem with this. You spent the entire video just saying he is wrong but without explaining why. Now I disagree with most of Adam Somethings points but if you are making a video debunking him then actually debunk him with counter arguments and no just saying hes wrong even if you are right is not a counter argument. Sort of like saying WW2 Germany was bad which is true but that claim is not proof of it even though it is true.

[@JosephHarder-q3e]

Also, it is hard to say the Imperium is any better than most other factions with some exceptions including Chaos and the Tyrinnids. Most other factions are just xenophobic empires that want total control over the galaxy oh wait that is also the Imperium! Before anyone complains though I get that 40k is SUPPOSED to be a grimdark setting so I actually do not have a problem with any of that but from an outside perspective there are no good factions just varying degrees of bad.

[@evansnyamesah1755]

Bro you need to just go chill😂😂😂😂. I understand your frustration as a fan but your reaction to it just shows that you need to chill

[@ignis2638]

people who are "media literate" somehow can't comprehend media the most and I'm amazed at it

[@Abekrampe]

Adam has a full video explaining his position. You can disagree all you want but calling him media illiterate is delusional.

[@CyanTeamProductions]

Actually real quick, does anyone have a real idea as to why we should hate the bugs in starship troopers?

[@ffffdsd]

Because they're a race of aggressive, expansionist insects that display no empathy and are intent on killing humans/humanity.

[@athomicritics]

​@@ffffdsdill even add that the federation was even fine with letting the bug having their own little corner of space by putting a quarantine order over planet that where colonised by the bugs until Buenos aires happened

[@jaegerbomb269]

Thank you! That video was cringe as hell! Way to shred this crap!

[@Notagator-s2x]

How did i know you were going to talk about this guy the moment the video started

[@ZeroBox01]

As a custodes player, I 100% agree with the random addition of female custodes.....I still made a female blade champion and guard models though cuz I thought it would be fun. By far my favorite faction. Just wish we instead got more love for sisters of silence XD