The Oct. 7 Warning That Israel Ignored

In the weeks since Hamas carried out its devastating terrorist attack in southern Israel, Times journalists have been trying to work out why the Israeli security services failed to prevent such a huge and deadly assault.
Ronen Bergman, a correspondent for The New York Times, tells the story of one of the warnings that Israel ignored.
Guest: Ronen Bergman (www.nytimes.com/by/ronen-bergman) , a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine.
Background reading:
• A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the Oct. 7 attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational (www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/wo...) .
• Here’s the latest (www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/...) on the war.
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.

[@davidbryden7904]

Did they miss the warnings or was it intentionally ignored to pursue an agenda? 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@saraleigh5336]

Funny, people say the same about 9/11

[@safiul1930]

​@@saraleigh5336 Because there are many signs that indicate they allowed this happens.

[@Just.A.T-Rex]

You got it

[@keithdunwoody1302]

Bingo.

[@donnazukadley7300]

​@@saraleigh5336yeah. An inside job for an agenda

[@adriennefried5368]

USA knew about and ignored warnings about Dec 7th Pearl Harbor attack😮😢

[@nancygaffney8071]

I thought that was a surprise attack. So, you think they had warning and blew it off thinking no they won't attack??

[@blaiseutube]

This is the way "group think" works and how it increases when internal dissent is discouraged.

[@syedrahman3251]

Yeah the Gaza Intelligence Unit Chief shooting down the intel coming from a younger female employee makes it seems like Israel's Intelligence and IDF are just another boys club.

[@zAlaska]

Rule number one, the leader is always right. Rule number two, if the leader is wrong refer to rule number one. Respect with support or find another job. Never believe what you see or hear with your own eyes, a quote of President Trump, his words of wisdom for all of us, because he's innocent, a sharp contrast to JFK's full secret society speech warning all of us to keep an eye out.

[@mzkarmageddon2]

​@@zAlaska holy shit brain dead magat😅

[@karenmorris674]

This is an example of how cognitive biases can, and often do, significantly influence the accuracy of our evaluations/asesssments.

[@keithdunwoody1302]

I had this feeling from day 1 that they DID know. Just like 9/11, they let it happen to excuse a massive invasion.

[@roadwarrior280]

Netanyahu and his arrogance set the tone.He must go.Question is,who is Moses to deliver the Jewish people?Who is Houdini the able to make peace?Hate is never the way.Arab and Jew must find a way to somehow live together.

[@erikavaleries]

Arabs already live in Israel as equal citizens. It’s Hamas ruling Palestine that’s the problem

[@arcanondrum6543]

One way to "live together" is for Israel to "somehow" stop spilling outside of the very generous Borders it was granted when Israel was founded in 1948. Since then, Israel has steadily taken MORE Land with tacit support from the US State Department.

[@queensophianyc]

@@arcanondrum6543 Truth!

[@marchuvfulz]

Thank you for this episode. One of the most remarkable intelligence/policy failures in modern memory. I really can't think of another case where one side literally had the enemy's entire attack plan--and decided, nah, they can't do that, and to ignore it. Wow. Suggests a lot of wishful thinking at the top of the Israeli military and intel hierarchies.

[@queensophianyc]

No. It suggests an agenda,

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

15:20 “The scenario… is imaginative.” 🤦🏻‍♂️ Someone let that guy know there’s a WalMart in Des Moines looking for a head of security.

[@JacobH181]

What happened to the female officer who alerted security services to Hamas’ plans? Was she killed during the invasion?

[@johnd2058]

Sexism kills.

[@user-dr3gq5wn6d]

Netanyahu organized his cabinet in 12/2022.

[@guruoo]

intro's extremely long. Wondered if we were ever going to get to the story.

[@robertkadar6856]

Can’t believe you didn’t address the 50,000 pound gorilla in the room: why didn’t the male intelligence supervisor believe the female, underling, intelligence officer? Why did he praise her work and reject her conclusions? Prove to me that classic, old sexism wasn’t involved. “Nice work there honey but don’t you worry your pretty little head over it. Us guys have it all squared away. I mean really!

[@queensophianyc]

NYT printed a story that says israel knew a year before the 'attack' happened.

[@robertmusil5831]

Hi Ronen Bergman. In your NYT piece from May 21, 2021 titled "A Look Inside Israel’s ‘Fortress of Zion’ Military Command Beneath Tel Aviv" you reported: "This room is the nerve center of a bunker dubbed the “Fortress of Zion,” a new Israeli Army command post deep underground beneath its headquarters in the heart of Tel Aviv." In your opinion, does this qualify as the kind of command and control center that violates the laws of war by operating within a high-density civilian area? Bearing in mind that the bunker referred to is just next door to Ichilov - the largest maternity hospital in Tel Aviv? And if your answer is "no" could you kindly explain why not? Thanks.

[@themossad]

No weapons are being launched from that location. This is the big difference.

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

@@themossadfinally a Jew in the comments defending us.

[@NewsHistorian]

And if Israel did a massive crackdown on the border on October 5 it would be considered aggression.

[@queensophianyc]

No, they removed all security. Why?

[@dwaynegobin1193]

The only one to blame is the attacker; not the one being attacked

[@Truth_Matt3rs]

Israel may have known about an attack for a year, but they most likely didn't know the day, or all the info needed to know exactly when the attack would happen. Having info of a possible attack isn't the same thing as knowing, or knowing when.

[@JH-pt6ih]

But shouldn’t the 50 year anniversary of the 1973 Yom Kippur War have had people on some higher than normal level of standby or alert?

[@queensophianyc]

They knew enought to REMOVE ALL SECURITY and allow entry. Stop playing.

[@michaelwilliams7907]

Sun Zhou - The Art of War. His NUMBER 1 SIN. Never NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE CAPABILITIES OF YOUR ENEMIES. period. Arrogance and ignorance combined can be DANGEROUS

[@stoor79]

October 7th was preventable by not stealing Palestinian land for over 100 years and then oppressing the Palestinians at every level for decades upon decades. That’s how you prevent October 7th and the next one.

[@themossad]

False statement doesn’t deserve a response

[@donnazukadley7300]

​@@themossadthe truth hurts don't it 😂

[@themossad]

Not at all because it 's a lie, and these lies are the secret of our success. Keep them up. @@donnazukadley7300

[@arcanondrum6543]

​@@themossad "False statement doesn't deserve a response" might be THE FUNNIEST contradiction that I will see for a month. Squeeze your nose for us Clown, we want to hear it honk.

[@themossad]

@@arcanondrum6543more nonsensical lies

[@elmo430o]

Are you telling me that Hamas did not drop leafless and warn everybody they were coming before they attacked and killed all those people. How rude. 😮

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

What’s your point?

[@elmo430o]

@@clevelandplonsey7480 The only thing the Israeli intelligence service is guilty of is the inability to think like fascist savages. Israel kills a Is palestinian throwing a grenade and it is a war crime. Hamas massacres 1200 people and the world says how rude. This is not and is really intelligence failure. This is just another reason to accuse the Jews.

[@nancygaffney8071]

America drops the fliers.. because the people deserve to know and move totally out of the way. Discusting War solves nothing but takes life.

[@NancyLebovitz]

Maginot line.

[@45papadoc]

"Source"......Nah,try again.😂😂

[@michaelwilliams7907]

Failed??? CATASTROPHICALLY. Somebody dropped the ball here. BIG TIME. And BIBI IS FINI. incompetent bumbler. On a good day.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

And if this warning had been shouted back then, the NY Times would have called us Jews "paranoid." Own it, NYT

[@arcanondrum6543]

The NYT doesn't have to "own" anything here. Israel knew, THEY "own it".

[@StevenL_999]

If this information was obtained a year ago, it means it was reviewed and dismissed under then Prime Minister Yair Lapid, not Netanyahu. No PM would be willing to accept such an attack on their watch, no matter what the payoff.

[@mauricehalfhide3982]

But, as the reporter says, everyone still knew about that Hamas intent. The email thread started by the expert was in July of 2023.

[@queensophianyc]

The LUST for land expansion always makes collateral damage inconsequential.

[@__Andrew_]

trivia- harumph monitor 😂😂1:07. 3:41 6:25. 6:35. 6:48. .... oh lifes too short for this 😂. thanks for another great intrview.

[@nsnopper]

Hmm.

[@auntihooha]

Another question: If they're so advanced, why can't they get Hamas without killing tens of thousands? They must be inept.

[@tomeryeshurun8873]

Not to be rude but thats an ignorant question. Ask anyone who served in any army ever and he will tell you these two things 1. The intelligence services don’t usually deal with the enemy, this is the army’s job in most cases 2. Its not so simple to destroy a terrorist organisation embedded in civilian territory. Especially without civilian casualties this doesn’t justify the death of civilians but explains why it is so difficult for the IDF to complete the job. The truth is if civilian casualties or public opinion really didn’t matter to Israel/IDF they could destroy all of Hamas’ military capability in a few days, but the price in civilian lives would be unbearable

[@arnoldwilson5377]

​​@@tomeryeshurun8873 Not to be rude, but that's also an ignorant response. They know blowing up Gaza won't eliminate Hamas. Their headquarters are in Qatar!

[@bethlibart]

@@tomeryeshurun8873 It's already unbearable

[@tomeryeshurun8873]

@@bethlibart true, but the number of casualties could be even higher… Right now the civilian casualties are a price Israel is willing to take to destroy Hamas, imagine of the objective was to destroy the civilians

[@Thomas-Bradley]

​@@bethlibartI bet Hamas would do the same thing to all Israeli

[@stevenmagasis4810]

“Cock-up before conspiracy”… after decades of HAMAS threats, there was a sense of complacency.

[@fatimarachels3082]

❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

Let him who is without sun, cast rhe first stone...no one I know has that distinction but Jesus...

[@ericeandco]

Don’t care. You don’t blame the victim because they didn’t notice the attacker. You blame the attacker because they shouldn’t have done it in the first place.

[@billyboy1093]

That is of course unless you're a desperate, corrupt right wing leader who wanted the attack to happen with slow response and pre-evacuations of military instillations in order to carry out your genocide and claim to be the great protector.

[@donnazukadley7300]

Poor little Netanyahu... You make him a victim when he probably allowed it to happen. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he was part of it.

[@theallseeingeye9388]

Israel should not have pushed Palestinians into a concentration camp. You are right. You dont blame the victims for retaliating against the aggressors. Ehud Barak the former Israeli Prime Minister and I both agree with you.

[@bordedup546]

obviously if you experienced oct 7 an israeli you're going to blame both and i believe this means that heads will roll when the investigations begin. this line of reasoning about blaming the victim completely misses the point. im sure you'd feel the same way if an similar attack happened in your country

[@queensophianyc]

@@donnazukadley7300 Of course he was part of it. This is another land expansion plan.

[@user-zl9sh9mz6h]

Bush stood aside and let his Saudi pals do 9/11. Netanyahu did much the same thing with Hamas on October 7th.

[@queensophianyc]

Truth.

[@nancygaffney8071]

That is frightening

[@nsnopper]

31:25 A spooksman?

[@robertedgemon8096]

For a whole week before october seventh, i was getting advertisements for jet airliners with quatar all over them. Anyone look into that?

[@johnrusselman1364]

Generals in Jerusalem are never going to have the urgency that the people near Gaza would have.

[@fppgaming3288]

It seems to me more and more likely that Bibi "allowed" Oct 7 to happen the same way Trump "allowed" Jan 6 to happen... one is a bit more deniable but barely

[@arcanondrum6543]

I agree with everything that you wrote except for; ' Trump "allowed" '. Trump was the front-man. "Person, Man, Woman Camera, TV" wasn't studying the Constitution, he was playing golf (he promised his Voters that he wouldn't). I'm certain that he was aware of what he was actively encouraging but he wasn't the mastermind. Stopping the Senate from certifying the election on Jan. 6 would have thrown it into the House where it is one US state/one Vote. Democrats held the majority in the House BUT a majority of the US States had elected mostly Republicans to the Washington House - (it "almost" makes you question the Media consolidation that began with the Reagan Administration and why as recently as successfully blocking Biden's infrastructure Bill, conservative media dominates the Midwest where all businesses but few residents have broadband). One state/one Vote would have meant a Republican majority, for that US House of Representatives election certification. Trump hadn't planned that, he was the very willing front-man. It's why they'd prefer to try with someone else, like Ron DeSantis.

[@mnblkjh6757]

😂🤣

[@saraleigh5336]

Where are the NYTimes discussions about the total failure of all women’s rights organizations to condemn SA?

[@ahegazy9434]

No physical evidence was collected or presented. Add this with the pattern of lying and exaggeration by Israeli officials, and it's quite clear that the initial claims (as well as the emerging new claims) are atrocity propaganda intended to justify Israel's ongoing destruction of the territory.

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

THANK YOU.

[@themossad]

He’s misquoting Netanyahu

[@themossad]

He said something like - "everyone responsible will have to answer tough questions when this is over, including me"@@littleflags

[@jpwhiteside3768]

Oct. 7th and Dec 7th Pearl Harbor Day and 'Gaza" Day

[@cihankenar1]

False Flag

[@arcanondrum6543]

Umm, they're describing something more like l.i.h.o.p.

[@raivalitaqiolele]

Information of the Raid, Was Suspected and Known, But Info was Snuffled in the Middle, Without getting to the Top Brass or even Israels Cabinet.

[@queensophianyc]

The FACT that there was no security nullifies your statement. They knew and wanted it to happen, so they could genocide the Palestinians. All of them.

[@gabrielehanne580]

Can you hear the echoes ripple through the halls of history ? Munich , Mogadischu ........ Please try to heal intergenerational trauma . The cycle of hatred needs to be broken .... Get outside help to mediate .

[@eliascastillo1641]

Can’t ask Israel to have open borders with Gaza and then get upset when they do what people want and it goes awry.

[@Jenvlogs404]

You as a news channel need to be careful with titles and trying to victim blame, if you have information that actually means you or media is responsible actually, supporting those that go against humanity and own phiIosophies. At the same time say imprison with no evidence. Must enjoy the coIoniaI effect.