The One Show on Capital Punishment

Why did capital punishment end in England and Wales?

[@Sixtiesdude1]

Back in the early 60s a teacher set his class the question 'Why Capital Punishment should be abolished'. One of his pupils wrote in answer that "Capital Punishment should not be abolished it should be made stricter"

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

What does stricter mean?

[@chrishanlon02]

@@LoudaroundLincoln more crimes carrying the death penalty

[@Mezame9]

I personally don't think it's up to us to decide whether a person deserves to live or die. And there is always a reason why someone commits a crime. In Sweden there is virtually no crime because criminals are not simply locked up. They are given therapy and an investigation as to why they committed the crime is carried out. They are rehabilitated and when they are released the motivation that the criminal once had to commit the crime is gone. I personally believe the solution isn't ignorant punishment, I believe the solution starts with the beginning of the problem: Why did they do it? What is legal is not always the same as what is moral.

[@napsylev6922]

I love you.

[@Reticence9zen924]

Interesting. :)

[@pravda7593]

total fake

[@pravda7593]

yes

[@henkeman94]

"virtually no crime"? Det stämmer inte och det vet du.

[@victoriaduffy6538]

I will be a stranger in my own country if such an abhorrent punishment were ever to be brought back

[@whitemonkey7932]

I'm a stranger because it hasn't been brought back.

[@Dessan01]

lol 1:10 there’s been a MORDURE!

[@gezzarandom]

I’m in favour of the death penalty, but only if there’s 100% proof of the defendants guilt.

[@chrishanlon02]

Not possible

[@lewiswise7808]

Which is why it was abolished, because as you say, some people were innocent.

[@eimearslee8367]

I agree that it is only for 100% proof of guilt. However, if the death penalty is to return, I would prefer that it be carried out by lethal injection than say, the electric chair or hanging.

[@louiswindsor7334]

For me the only way I would support the death penalty is under 2 conditions condition 1 it can only be passed down for murder condition 2 it is not the only sentence you can receive for murder

[@ashleyhyne7027]

So why do we hold soldiers to a lower standard in war situations than civilians then?

[@ColumRogers]

One of the biggest mistakes this country ever made was to abolish the death penalty. And I don't understand why Tony Benn thinks executing a woman is worse than executing a man, seeing as woman is just as capable of murder as any man.

[@Reticence9zen924]

Did he actually believe that shit?

[@paulskopic5844]

So with no capital punishment, impose life with no parole and make the criminal earn 100% of their keep. The taxpayers should not bare the burden.

[@martincook318]

Paul I agree with you 100pc unless the Guilty Party's are Mentally ill then he or she should be locked up in a Secure Hospital and when he or she is deemed fit then they should be locked up in a Secure Prison for life

[@paulskopic5844]

@TheRenaissanceman65 In that case they could work on a prison farm to grow the food they eat, and sell the rest to offset their keep. They would work at least 12 hours per day 7 days a week.

[@Tramseskumbanan]

The case of Timothy Evans also helped turning the public opinion.

[@lewiswise7808]

You're absolutely right; I wonder why they didn't include that one on the programme.

[@Tramseskumbanan]

@@lewiswise7808 They maybe simply forgot about his case.

[@lewiswise7808]

@@Tramseskumbanan Probably.

[@extramite8]

Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West.

[@mattsmith87]

Sutcliffe is a paranoid schizophrenic, and therefore not legally responsible for his actions.

[@harryperry1657]

Myra hindley

[@victoriaduffy6538]

Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley

[@gezzarandom]

Ian Huntley

[@whitemonkey7932]

@@victoriaduffy6538 why not add Hanratty?

[@Camberwell86]

Don't think it's a deterrent at all to be honest. I ain't gonna kill anyone because I don't want to spend 25 years in jail. If I knew they would pop me off after a year, however, that might be 'game on' if I ever went completely out of control

[@martincook318]

And then there was Timothy Evans who was sent to the Gallows on the Everdence of John Christie of 10 Rulington Place

[@whitemonkey7932]

but was almost certainly guilty of killing his own daughter

[@eddiejohnson5183]

Never in history has an executed murderer ever killed again.

[@Iazzaboyce]

Has a state ever executed another innocent person?

[@simonh6371]

@@Iazzaboyce Since capital punishment was abolished in 1964, 49 people have been wrongly convicted of murder in the UK and subsequently released, several of them women. So if we hadn't abolished the death penalty, 49 innocent people would have gone to the gallows.

[@eddiejohnson5183]

@@simonh6371 I wonder how many innocent people have been murdered by murderers who were released. I would imagine far higher than 49.

[@louiswindsor7334]

If it is ever reinstated 2 essential changes are they can only be seneanced to death if the jury unanamusly find the defendant guilty of murder and the second change the death sentence is not the only sentence that can be passed in that case

[@drharoldshipman9348]

Hanging is more retribution than it is a punishment , what would have happened to the Gilford four and the Birmingham six ? Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley were both victims of the British justice system.You can argue will still have capital punishment , the police are judge ,jury and executioner, how many people are shot by the boys in blue every year.The death penalty would work fine in a just and true society ,where the system is as corrupt as the criminals ,not a chance !

[@mrss9127]

How the death penalty would be ideal today with all the murders/stabbings. People talk about human rights?! To that i ask what about the victims human rights?!

[@victoriaduffy6538]

lazy argument, draw up a chair and I will tell you why

[@downlink5877]

"The state has no right to take life", say people who don't have a problem with the armed forces or armed police existing.

[@TheOppl]

REIDY MOM

[@MrFreshfreddie]

Armed Police is armed for self defence not for execution. Bad one.

[@myroseaccount]

If you have deliberately ended another person's life you have forfeited your own right to life. And life imprisonment is either extended torture if it is to be harsh and brutal, or an opportunity for the perpetrator to have access to books, music, literature and find the consolations of religion and philosophy perhaps finding meaning and even coming to understand the extraordinary fact of their own conscious existence. Hence, real justice demands that we don't torture them in a brutal prison, but also we don't offer them many decades of a tolerable existence where they can enjoy the fact they are alive. Real justice demands that those found guilty of murder have their lives ended.

[@martincook318]

And how about Timothy Evans who was innocent of Murder and was Hanged because of John Christie at 10 Rulington Place who like Derick Bentley was in the wrong place at the wrong time

[@JohnnyPeacock1959]

The Rillington place case was very sad.

[@akram379]

We need the death penalty back for Gun and knife killers

[@chrishatton3996]

Bring it back for fucks sake, but only where 100% sure of murder of innocent people, domestic and other mitigating circumstances should be life in prison without parole, thats my opinion.

[@napsylev6922]

So premeditated murder w/o extenuating circumstances? That's what the death penalty is.

[@darranjenkins3257]

the british death penalty should come back!!the crime rate in the uk would go down so quick!!!people would be so frightend to comit a crime if some takes a life then their life should be taken as well!!

[@simonclark29041978]

the death penalty should be reinstated for certain crimes such as pedophileia, rape , drug smuggling, murder and treason

[@cHeStEr5434]

Drug smuggling? Really?

[@dawudidris9106]

@@cHeStEr5434 lmao

[@mattsmith87]

@123 456 What about drug mules that are forced into it, (as many of them are)?

[@DavidJohnson-kg4yl]

The death penalty should definitely be restored! When people commit Horrific extreme crimes, Sometimes the Only suitable punishment Is death.

[@whynotjustmyusername]

Why is punishment suitable at all though? How do two wrongs make a right?

[@finlayallen]

FF71 because the money saved from keeping people imprisoned could be spent on the NHS or education

[@MyTVfanatic]

should never have ended

[@charlescyklop1679]

They having laugh from life - not be able to take the consequenses and cries, what have they doing ?

[@eastender86]

It needs bringing back at once I'm afraid!

[@eastender86]

@TheRenaissanceman65 because keeping dangerous crooks alive results in innocent members of the public being wrongfully killed as well. This takes more innocent lives including; Sarah Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman etc

[@simonh6371]

I'm against the death penalty simply because since it was stopped in 1964 dozens of people have been convicted of murder and were subsequently exonerated after sometimes decades of appeals. However here's a question to all those in favour: would you agree that if capital punishment were reinstated, that a proviso would have to be that anyone giving false evidence, withholding evidence or otherwise interfering with the course of justice in a capital case, should themselves be executed, as is the case in Malaysia and Singapore? Were this to have been the case in the UK, dozens of police officers and members of the judiciary would have been hanged

[@amyclarke41]

ok

[@faz1991]

Who is the state to judge whether someone has the right to keep their life or not? It's the state that creates the environment in which murder/crime is allowed to exist in the first place. The state is more responsible to the victims than the perpetrators; people aren't born criminals, their environment shapes them. And all of us shape the environment, so the responsibility is collective. People subconsciously/consciously just want a scapegoat to say - "It's his/her fault! Kill 'em!". Killing is wrong, and by punishing someone by the same act (but more calculated) they're being punished, is the same as being a hypocrite. Also, there will always be innocent people who are killed, and that can NEVER be justified - not even one person. Sick bastards. I salute you with my shit, capital punishment.

[@user-gv5bs3os5i]

for child killers paedophiles and parents who starve and beat there children to death also rapists and terrorists any case that is doubtful a life sentence should be given until new evidence can be found to prove otherwise that's my opinion

[@PatchedThePipe]

Just show yourself as a dinosaur saying “bring it back”

[@whitemonkey7932]

bring it back -

[@markbellingham4536]

Ruth Ellis bently evans and police evidence

[@anitatakashet6744]

beanz

[@KM.567]

Shushhhhhhhhh

[@sonny1322]

No

[@freddymarcel-marcum6831]

Allah doesn't approve of capital punishment 😑

[@eddiejohnson5183]

Though he doesn't mind the rape of a million English girls.

[@kneetrembler3249]

He fucking does in the muslim countries

[@parkie1953]

RS is boring