The Only Jedi Master Kicked off the Council for Horrific War Crimes [Clone Wars]

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We don't often associate Jedi with war crimes, however Depa Billaba switches up that script and makes us rethink the legitimacy of the Jedi order.
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@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
If you're looking for some free music for you creative projects, check out our RelaxJack Music Channel! - kzbin.info/aero/PLjieRbgds_jTu7Cw965C0ImiMmS3GRl-v Depa Billaba has to be one of the biggest canon and legends discrepancies in Star Wars lol
@mr.goodman3991
@mr.goodman3991 3 жыл бұрын
2 days ago? You a time traveller?
@Dahaka-rd6tw
@Dahaka-rd6tw 3 жыл бұрын
Is there least any Legends material about that Wampa that lost its arm to Luke?
@dolphinfan2150
@dolphinfan2150 3 жыл бұрын
This story is changed now due to the bad batch
@TheSegert
@TheSegert 3 жыл бұрын
what happened after? like order 66. did she survive or die?
@adminmoo7785
@adminmoo7785 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSegert she died in both the comics and the bad batch
@noahleonard2481
@noahleonard2481 3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say Anakin but then I realized it said Jedi Master
@thedemogamer6595
@thedemogamer6595 3 жыл бұрын
Oof
@benfryett8228
@benfryett8228 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was Yaddle
@thehuckleberry8349
@thehuckleberry8349 3 жыл бұрын
GBTMNIH
@solisprime2669
@solisprime2669 3 жыл бұрын
Too soon
@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
OOOOOOFFFFFFFF
@communismwithgiggles2515
@communismwithgiggles2515 3 жыл бұрын
>Depa Billaba can basically read minds Windu: "Perfect, I'll send her to my home planet where everyone is a psychopath."
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair he hadn't been there since before the war Summer Time war. The Summer Time war started 10 years after Windu had last been there. They didn't know what had been going on. Because the Balui were stopping as much information as possible from reaching the Republic.
@irrelevanttroll3312
@irrelevanttroll3312 2 жыл бұрын
windu fucks up most of the shit
@Lord_Helix
@Lord_Helix 2 жыл бұрын
@@irrelevanttroll3312 Ki Adi Mundi Fucks more shit up.
@lemonade_011
@lemonade_011 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lord_Helix ki aid ain’t that bad tho …
@Lord_Helix
@Lord_Helix 2 жыл бұрын
@@lemonade_011 He's one of the reasons for order 66
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a bad idea to send a high grade force empath alone to intervene in such a brutal and emotionally destructive conflict. The council damn near set her up to fail, regardless of her training that's too much to face alone.
@midgetman4206
@midgetman4206 3 жыл бұрын
almost like depriving a kid who is pretty much the force embodied, the second half and than being surprised when he snaps
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
@@midgetman4206 yeah, never saw that coming
@sawspitfire422
@sawspitfire422 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a representation of why the Jedi order failed. Your emotions are what make you human, removing them is impossible even for the most indoctrinated and disciplined Jedi. Yoda himself came to realise this when he was trained by the force priestesses. The path to balance comes from accepting your dark side and learning to deal with it in a healthy way rather than denying its existence
@stephen2101
@stephen2101 3 жыл бұрын
Lol what a surprise
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
@@sawspitfire422 indeed
@Elzmeister
@Elzmeister 3 жыл бұрын
The Jedi Council after Depa Billaba commits Genocide: Well, that was terrible, but we doubt any Jedi can top that. Anakin Skywalker: Hold my beer.
@johnnygyro2295
@johnnygyro2295 3 жыл бұрын
Every Jedi ever: "Anakin no!" Anakin: "Vader yes!"
@mistertaz94
@mistertaz94 3 жыл бұрын
Meetra Surik: Rookie numbers kids. *Activates the Mass Shadow Generator*
@jimmyjohnjuan
@jimmyjohnjuan 2 жыл бұрын
Group of jedi master murdered there padawans out of fear of being kill by them. Because of a vision. Pretty sure jedi order genocides species before.
@thechimeraprotocol
@thechimeraprotocol 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyjohnjuan Yeah, the Sith Purebloods (the species, not the order) were wiped out by the early Republic and Jedi, in the war that occurred when the Jedi and Sith first made contact(after the darksiders fled Tython). I think it was called the Sith Holocaust. My knowledge is a bit rusty though, so I could be mistaken about some things.
@englishlady9797
@englishlady9797 3 жыл бұрын
Windu's home planet: inter-tribal wars are genocidal and terrible. Mandalorians: We literally do those all the time. We have no word for genocide.
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
Warcrimes is fun times XD
@noahleonard2481
@noahleonard2481 3 жыл бұрын
I mean it’s hard to fit “my 10:00 to 12:00 routine every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday” into one word.
@alecmullaney7957
@alecmullaney7957 3 жыл бұрын
@@noahleonard2481 schedule?
@andyfiggz7890
@andyfiggz7890 3 жыл бұрын
Sure they do. Its called yesterday, today, and the next day.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 3 жыл бұрын
Their word for genocide is "fun outdoor activity #5".
@jeremiahmuth9732
@jeremiahmuth9732 3 жыл бұрын
Technically speaking, they never kicked Anakin off the council
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't think it even got put on the council agenda, an egregious oversight.
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
I just hate seeing paperwork left unfinished...........
@jeremiahmuth9732
@jeremiahmuth9732 3 жыл бұрын
@Darth Revan But technically Anakin was the last remaining member of the Jedi Council, since it was never made official.
@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin became the council lol.
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys Have you noticed how the comments are more about Anakin than Mace Windu apprentice Depa?
@ReustersPlace
@ReustersPlace 3 жыл бұрын
She was right about the fact that Jedi shouldn’t be Generals. And her military strategic disagreement with Windu was correct.
@ramarblood7697
@ramarblood7697 3 жыл бұрын
You have unlocked the skill: Genocide.
@ReustersPlace
@ReustersPlace 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramarblood7697 sweet!
@devildavin
@devildavin 3 жыл бұрын
she would have saved the republic, stop palpatines take over, stopped the birth of darth vader and saved the Order if she was General
@callumwebb4927
@callumwebb4927 3 жыл бұрын
@@devildavin And proved Count Dooku and the glorious Confederacy right
@theempiredidnothingwrong3227
@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 3 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't you don't defeat your enemy by making maryters of their leaders. You destroy their ability to resist your will so their leaders have to surrender and give in to all your demands. Military science 101. Carpet bomb their factories, burn their food supplies,sieze or destroy their natural reasources/territory and obliterate their armies. Once you have pinned them they will surrender and give in to your demands because they'll have no other choice. If you kill their leaders then they're worlds will simply elect and appoint new leaders and your going to have to fight them anyways. And they'll fight even harder because you just martyed their leaders.
@JC839
@JC839 3 жыл бұрын
If the Jedi philosophy was a therapist: “Im feeling depressed” Jedi “well then stop being depressed” “I’m feeling really angry” Jedi “Don’t feel angry; angry bad” “I’m feeling overly attached to someone” Jedi “Absolutely unacceptable, cut it off”
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
I feel attacked because that's drunk me giving "advice"
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
Because the Jedi Order have a anti-life mindset.
@Canuovea
@Canuovea 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingnamor7777 Nietzsche would both hate and love them.
@twilighthero9358
@twilighthero9358 3 жыл бұрын
And that's why Luke's order was better! (The Legends one of course)
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 3 жыл бұрын
I FEEL THE NEED TO COMMIT WAR CRIMES! that cool, just keep out of sight.
@LegitAjit
@LegitAjit 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is the reason Anakin didn't get the rank of master.
@yeetyay921
@yeetyay921 3 жыл бұрын
“The council will decide your fate”Mace Windu
@jedimeyer1298
@jedimeyer1298 3 жыл бұрын
The council, I am.
@yeetyay921
@yeetyay921 3 жыл бұрын
@@jedimeyer1298 I am the senate.
@jedimeyer1298
@jedimeyer1298 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeetyay921 I am a member of Senate.
@yeetyay921
@yeetyay921 3 жыл бұрын
@@jedimeyer1298 you are what you eat :\ so ig palpitine ate the senate😂
@jedimeyer1298
@jedimeyer1298 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeetyay921 D the Superior is bad person
@Tahkaullus01
@Tahkaullus01 3 жыл бұрын
Depa Billaba: Commits war crimes. Anakin: "Write that down! Write that down!"
@theempiredidnothingwrong3227
@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 3 жыл бұрын
Chinggis Khan: And they said the perfect woman didn't exist.
@hunterkiller1440
@hunterkiller1440 3 жыл бұрын
If falling to the Dark side is this easy, as a non Force user, I would be against the formation of the Jedi Order as well.
@shadowfox0087
@shadowfox0087 3 жыл бұрын
Well without them you're gonna have thousands more force users falling to the dark side more often. This is what happened in legends when Luke didn't want to train new jedi, those he turned down fell to the dark side
@OrDuneStudios
@OrDuneStudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowfox0087 nah use the jedis own gear to hunt force sentitives dow
@Ceriu
@Ceriu 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowfox0087 Jedi order was trash, Something akin to the much wanted Grey Order would be best. Revan did it right, Revan NEVER fell fock the Jedi.
@dylanwoods9491
@dylanwoods9491 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the literal difference between the light and the dark is the will to control your emotions. Which is something everyone struggles with so we are all sith lords with out a connection to the force.
@christopherkidwell9817
@christopherkidwell9817 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylanwoods9491 The problem is that you can 'control your emotions' too much and be blinded by 'logic' into ignoring misdeeds done against you and against your brethren.
@furioussherman7265
@furioussherman7265 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: They actually make an indirect reference to Depa Billaba's fall in the Kanan comics. In it, we learn that some months before she took on Caleb Dume as a Padawan, her clone battalion was slaughtered to a man and she herself was nearly killed by General Grievous, both of which happened while operating on Haruun Kal, the world featured in the Shatterpoint novel where she succumbed to the Dark Side. When you combine this with the fact that several of Caleb Dume's fellow younglings (and to an extent, Billaba herself) refer to Depa Billaba as "damaged goods" in that they think she's a failure, I'd say that her full story in the current canon might still have some bits and pieces of the old continuity in it. Perhaps, while fighting on Haruun Kal, Billaba was tempted by and slipped into the Dark Side, leading to her troops being wiped out, her near-destruction by Grievous, and the rumours and perception that she's a failure.
@khanburger3610
@khanburger3610 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking- of course it doesn't fit perfectly with legends which is a shame, but it shows that the current star wars authors know about legends material and do their best to write it in when they can ;) I personally combine both stories
@SMiki55
@SMiki55 2 жыл бұрын
@@khanburger3610 to be honest this disregard for the EU books and comics started before Disney's acquisition. The Clone Wars show, though nowadays loved, contradicted myriads of EU plot points back in the day. And given how Lucas was planning his own sequel trilogy, I think we'd end up with the EU being decanonized even if he didn't sell the franchise.
@user-yq9im9dk9z
@user-yq9im9dk9z 11 ай бұрын
I feel like only some authors do stuff like this where they try to combine canons. Most of the time canon likes to override Legends stories. (Especially visual media guys like Filoni who completely don't give a toss about written media, he even ignored the comic book you mentioned despite it being canon)
@furioussherman7265
@furioussherman7265 11 ай бұрын
@@user-yq9im9dk9z Not really. Filoni is actually one of the best for combining the old EU with the current continuity and he didn't totally disregard the comics like you say. Caleb Dume and Depa Billaba were still on Kaller when Order 66 went down; the only thing he changed was putting the Bad Batch there as well. Otherwise, he didn't contradict what happened in the Kanan comics.
@user-yq9im9dk9z
@user-yq9im9dk9z 11 ай бұрын
@@furioussherman7265 well, you could say his contradictions to EU during TCW run were small ones like the Kanan contradiction. The problem is that small contradictions kept adding up.
@Kainlarsen
@Kainlarsen 3 жыл бұрын
This is a problem with empathy in real life, I think; If you're exposed to too many bad vibes, it makes you angry and vindictive, and it's extremely hard not to get trapped in it. That was Palpatine's plan anyway, to blind or taint the Jedi with the horrors of war.
@zexalbrony4799
@zexalbrony4799 3 жыл бұрын
The dark side and its pull is a powerful thing. Even the best can be consumed by it. Just like Ahsoka said: "I've seen what such feelings can do to a fully trained Jedi Knight. To the best of us."
@MasterGenshu
@MasterGenshu 3 жыл бұрын
"Just like Ahsoka said: I've seen what such feelings can do to a fully trained Jedi Knight. To the best of us" TBH Anakin was steered there since he was a boy, Palps made sure of that. And He was a great fighter and thanks to the clone wars he is a better person overall making his fall feel much more sad. But I wouldn't call him the best of them. I love Ahsoka but she does have a bias when it comes to Anakin.
@zexalbrony4799
@zexalbrony4799 3 жыл бұрын
@@MasterGenshu I suppose that's fair, but I still think of Anakin as one of the best Jedi there was, and considering how Depa was considered one of the best to not only be given a seat on the Council but even taught the difficult and dangerous Lightsaber combat of Vapot, I still think the quote can work to show how powerful and corrupting the Dark Side can be even to well experienced and seasoned masters.
@MasterGenshu
@MasterGenshu 3 жыл бұрын
@@zexalbrony4799 I can agree with that.
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@zexalbrony4799 I agree. It doesn't matter if you're a prodigy. Even the most greatest of Jedi can easily fall to the dark side. Under dangerous circumstances and conditions.
@pickle7765
@pickle7765 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta give props to Obi-Wan though, he had everyone he ever loved and cared about die and yet he still stayed true to the Jedi.
@callumwebb4927
@callumwebb4927 3 жыл бұрын
So basically Apocalypse Now in Star Wars... that actually sounds pretty sick
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 3 жыл бұрын
Haruun Kal... Shit... I'm still only on Haruun Kal... Every time I think I'm gonna wake up back in the jungle.
@Darkknight-rf2hw
@Darkknight-rf2hw 3 жыл бұрын
Brings into thought how he treated anakin and why he denied him master rank out of fear of a repeat of what happened to his padawan he saw what trusting someone that was close to the dark side and growing closer can do. Makes me wonder if he wasny just bitter and angry but actually concerned for him.
@fortherepublic67
@fortherepublic67 3 жыл бұрын
I mean at the end of this very book Mace actually openly states his faith that Anakin was the Chosen One and even goes so far as to say that even if all the Jedi die, as long as he lived, there would still be hope, so yeah I do think Mace was nowhere near as bitter towards Anakin as everyone seems to like to think.
@fortherepublic67
@fortherepublic67 3 жыл бұрын
@The Hollow Called White ain't this a legends video...
@heavy5013
@heavy5013 2 жыл бұрын
@The Hollow Called White mace used Shatterpoint in the clone wars show. It wasn't stated but it was shown.
@darthsquid2107
@darthsquid2107 2 жыл бұрын
Afraid
@talieclandestine9155
@talieclandestine9155 2 жыл бұрын
I firmly believe Anakin should have been Mace Windu's padawan. Mace Windu's fear won out. Why else did Palpatine really want Mace Windu out of the way? Because he could have snapped Anakin out of it. I love Obi Wan and Qui'Gon would have been an excellent father figure, but they were both the wrong Master for Anakin. Someone used to being abused doesn't always respond to real love well, because of the emotional damage they've already suffered. Anakin needed discipline with love. And therapy, lots and lots of it.
@owenjolley351
@owenjolley351 3 жыл бұрын
Billaba in Cannon: *”I will protect this boy with my life and teach him the ways of the Jedi”* Billaba in Legends: *”I will go to my master’s homeworld and commit several war crimes”*
@OutOfIdeas9977
@OutOfIdeas9977 Жыл бұрын
Literally
@KeybladeMasterAndy
@KeybladeMasterAndy Жыл бұрын
It makes me wonder why they went with Bilaba for Caleb's Master rather than somebody else.
@furioussherman7265
@furioussherman7265 11 ай бұрын
@@KeybladeMasterAndy If you read the Kanan comics, you'll see that they make reference to Depa Billaba nearly being killed by General Grievous and her clone battalion being destroyed on Haruun Kal, the same world she fell to the Dark Side on in the Shatterpoint novel. It's likely that some of the same plot points remain in the current canon as they did in the old EU. Also, the reason why Caleb Dume became her apprentice was because they were both seen by others (snd themselves) as not good enough; their partnership was a chance for both of them to prove that perception wrong.
@thediscordtraveler5471
@thediscordtraveler5471 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: cheese is a loaf of milk
@noahleonard2481
@noahleonard2481 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave
@definep4nguin853
@definep4nguin853 3 жыл бұрын
jerky is just cow raisins
@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@modellingseb9304
@modellingseb9304 3 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys why are you afraid of the truth
@definep4nguin853
@definep4nguin853 3 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
@rowancarlson892
@rowancarlson892 3 жыл бұрын
I remember my first time reading this book very fondly, I always loved Mace Windu’s characterization and origins as it progressed
@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
A man of culture I see!
@uniquelyawesome4455
@uniquelyawesome4455 3 жыл бұрын
What is this book called? I'll like to check it out
@rowancarlson892
@rowancarlson892 3 жыл бұрын
@@uniquelyawesome4455 The book is Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover
@uniquelyawesome4455
@uniquelyawesome4455 3 жыл бұрын
@@rowancarlson892 Thank you!!!
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously this book in the first chapter made Mace a better character then all of Disney Canon.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 3 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you send a Jedi to Sierra Leone.
@CoffeeSuccubus
@CoffeeSuccubus 3 жыл бұрын
Canon Depa: Kanan, I am a good master, and do nothing wrong Legends Depa: *so anyways I started slicing*
@leolied6766
@leolied6766 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda forgot how different legends Billaba is to her Canon ver.
@EdaugEthanbYT
@EdaugEthanbYT 3 жыл бұрын
I think this shows that the Jedi don’t care about how badly their members act short of genocide
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
They definitely tolerated some pretty shitty personalities in their midst
@HinokasArabfan1
@HinokasArabfan1 3 жыл бұрын
Oh really? How about the one time the jedi fucked the last true mandalorians? Or the extinction of the kaleesh? I blame those fuckers for everything that's bad.
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
I can't say everything but they're literally responsible for the Sith, so.......
@lawrencetalbot8346
@lawrencetalbot8346 3 жыл бұрын
She had a point though at first. Had they orbital bombarded or even just sent in a few arial runs, they could’ve taken out the separatist leaders stopping the clone wars. And while mace made the argument that it wasn’t worth sacrificing two Jedi, and a senator, how many more Jedi died in the process of rescuing two of their own? That being said, the Jedi had a history of doing some bad things, as well as the republic. But such is politics and religious ideology
@thomasdobbs6676
@thomasdobbs6676 3 жыл бұрын
No. It shows how committed to rehabilitative mercy they are... Which is a good thing
@ericrivas4106
@ericrivas4106 3 жыл бұрын
Sooo Mace’s padawan was made a Master quickly, yet he refused to grant Anakin that same rank? Sounds a little biased on Mace’s part to me lol
@timlewis9004
@timlewis9004 3 жыл бұрын
Well he was distrustful of Anakin from day 1 so it's not surprising
@okaysoanyways2645
@okaysoanyways2645 3 жыл бұрын
@@timlewis9004 but the jedi loved talking about how "compassionate" they were
@timlewis9004
@timlewis9004 3 жыл бұрын
@@okaysoanyways2645 I used to think of the Jedi as "the good guys" and I suppose in many ways they are. If I lived in the republic I'd appreciate having telepathic space monks with laser swords watching my back, but you know what they say about good intentions.
@ForsakenDreamer7
@ForsakenDreamer7 3 жыл бұрын
The reason for not granting Anakin the rank of master was purely political. The council started to really dislike Palpatine in the last months of war, he was already suspected to be influenced by the Sith. Since he demanded to make Anakin a master, they wouldn't, even if they wanted initially.
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@timlewis9004 even acts of kindness can be exploited and can do more harm than good. I learned that from Kreia in the Kotor ll.
@blairbrown4812
@blairbrown4812 3 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Palpatine was keeping a cockeyed watch on her in case Anakin was a little bit more than he could handle....
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 3 жыл бұрын
It kinda hints it in the book that he was watching her. After all Mace was the second strongest Jedi at the time and Deeba was stated to be a better fighter then him by Mace himself. So she'd make a fine apprentice.
@johnnygyro2295
@johnnygyro2295 2 жыл бұрын
Knowing Palpatine, that wouldn't surprise me.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 11 ай бұрын
Anakin: "I'll never join you!" Palpatine: "Fine, pull out the replacements!" (out steps Depa Billaba, Barriss Offee, Grand Inquisitor, etc.)
@AngelDust6969
@AngelDust6969 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin realizing that this video is about a Jedi other than him: This is unfair!
@riddell26
@riddell26 3 жыл бұрын
It's outrageous
@beepboop663
@beepboop663 3 жыл бұрын
Take a seat young Skywalker
@romanzusman2892
@romanzusman2892 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the SAND is everywhere!
@thechimeraprotocol
@thechimeraprotocol 2 жыл бұрын
You know, we should have dropped massive amounts of sand in any area that Anakin Skywalker was in. This would have secured victory for us, the righteous Seperatists, against the corrupt Republic.
@StonewallTitlow
@StonewallTitlow 3 жыл бұрын
So if she is finally sane, wouldn’t that make Anakin sane as well?
@ReustersPlace
@ReustersPlace 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@geetslys
@geetslys 3 жыл бұрын
I mean Anakin was a lot of things but he was never insane.
@ReustersPlace
@ReustersPlace 3 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys nope, he just got tired of people’s crap. 😬
@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365
@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365 3 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys not even when he force choked Padmé? lol
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReustersPlace He saw through the lies of the jedi.
@demi-femme4821
@demi-femme4821 2 жыл бұрын
Yoda: “INSANE, YOUR PEOPLE ARE! KNOW THIS, DID YOU!?” Windu: “No!” Yoda: “WHY NOT!? IMPORTANT INFORMATION, THIS SEEMS TO BE!” Windu: “Master Yoda, calm down.” Yoda: “COMMITTING GENOCIDE, YOUR PADAWAN IS! AN APPROPRIATE EMOTION, CALM IS NOT!”
@TheSuperRatt
@TheSuperRatt 3 жыл бұрын
I like how the Balawai, (How do you even spell that?) equally guilty for crimes against civilization, appear to have had theirs swept under the rug.
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
Probably something along the lines of "it's their culture" cuz Tuskens were known to be pretty brutal at times but no one was keen on serving THAT court summons. Easier to just shrug it off than to BDZ their bullshit or hunt them down.
@ZoeMalDoran
@ZoeMalDoran 2 жыл бұрын
Mace reclassified the whole intervention on Haruun Kal as a police action and, if memory serves, arranged for several of the worst surviving offenders on both sides to face trial, while Depa, and Kar Vastor, were secured in the lowest levels of the Jedi Temple until they were fit to face trial... which they weren't for the rest of the war.
@ZyroShadowPony
@ZyroShadowPony 3 жыл бұрын
"Civilian massacres,gangrape and Small scale genocides" Ill be honest the moment gangrape was brought up i genuinely spit out my coffee. In all my life i never expected star wars to go that dark
@mazkeraid4039
@mazkeraid4039 10 ай бұрын
Hence why it is called Star Wars for a reason, everyone is getting stuffed.
@dreamfirefight9456
@dreamfirefight9456 8 ай бұрын
I mean, at this point I’ve seen enough to where the genocide stuff is typical Star Wars atrocities territory, but even then I didn’t think they were crazy enough to include gangrape.
@murderousintent7838
@murderousintent7838 3 жыл бұрын
"with the superior story from legends" that applies just about everywhere in Star Wars continuity
@SMiki55
@SMiki55 2 жыл бұрын
I mean TCW was disregarding the EU long before the franchise was sold to Disney
@NobelTheKnave
@NobelTheKnave 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the only thing I’d keep from canon is the control chips in the clones brain
@murderousintent7838
@murderousintent7838 2 жыл бұрын
@@NobelTheKnave I wouldn't, it ruins a bunch of stories Couldn't have any stories of clones defying Order 66, especially for things like the Republic Commando novels
@NobelTheKnave
@NobelTheKnave 2 жыл бұрын
@@murderousintent7838 Oh, in that case I retract my previous statement
@richardschneider7629
@richardschneider7629 3 жыл бұрын
Depa "Mace never told you what happened too your master..." Kanan "He told me enough! He told me you killed her!!!" Depa "No..." Pulls down hood... "...I am your Master"
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
Okay that's pretty impressive.
@lightningonlycommentsonce5824
@lightningonlycommentsonce5824 3 жыл бұрын
You've somehow managed to misuse "You're" twice.
@unlimitedduckgamer
@unlimitedduckgamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@lightningonlycommentsonce5824 "Your" was the correct term there actually. "You're" is a combination of "You" and "Are", so by your logic what he said would be "You Are Master" which doesn't sound right.
@thisusernameis2long927
@thisusernameis2long927 3 жыл бұрын
@@lightningonlycommentsonce5824 If you’re going to correct someone’s grammar, at least do it right. “To” instead of “too” in the first sentence. Here, this is how a real grammar nazi does their job.
@exoplanet4905
@exoplanet4905 3 жыл бұрын
Kanan: NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THATS NOT TRUE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE Depa: search your feelings boy you know it to be true
@unnamedncrtrooper4545
@unnamedncrtrooper4545 3 жыл бұрын
A jedi being punished for war crimes? Impossible
@theclonestuds5946
@theclonestuds5946 3 жыл бұрын
Geneva convention? More like Geneva Suggestion Edit: I don't know why you guys are making a big deal about it. It's a joke , there is no Geneva convention , but there is a yavin code (said by someone below). I'm sure that both sides in the war , committed at least 1 war crime.
@senatusx6427
@senatusx6427 3 жыл бұрын
*Yavin
@UpsideDownCycle
@UpsideDownCycle 3 жыл бұрын
Overused, dead joke? More like free likes
@theclonestuds5946
@theclonestuds5946 3 жыл бұрын
@@UpsideDownCycle the people were certainly dead
@ramarblood7697
@ramarblood7697 3 жыл бұрын
Geneva conventions is a Earth thing how are people even suppose to know about it in if it existing a long time in the future in a galaxy far far away.
@senatusx6427
@senatusx6427 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramarblood7697 There's a Yavin Convention with a Yavin Code.
@andrewjustice210
@andrewjustice210 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard you say her name, I was like, wait.... wasn’t she the one who was in a coma and then got shot down with the kanan kid?! Then you mentioned that story and I was like “oh good... I’m not crazy”
@mitchbarredo3990
@mitchbarredo3990 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the only way the Jedi Order could keep their membership was to seclude them from the reality of life outside the Jedi Temple.
@Spartan3D213
@Spartan3D213 3 жыл бұрын
@Samuel Dimmock planning and strategie isn't their strong suit. Look at who they left in charge of the clone units.
@Spartan3D213
@Spartan3D213 3 жыл бұрын
@Samuel Dimmock especially since their ability to feel or connect with the forces was diminishing as well.heck the ones with actual foresight were locked up in the citidel or dead.
@codystegemueller9428
@codystegemueller9428 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if mace windu kept a closer eye on Anakin after this because of her turning to the dark side This also may have contributed to mace windu being against anakin being given the rank of master not wanting to make the same mistake twice
@alejandroelluxray5298
@alejandroelluxray5298 3 жыл бұрын
I do disagree with bombard the arena, not just because of the deaths of Anakin, Kenobi and Padme, but also because, despiste that Gunray, Dooku an Poggle were there, the CIS still had Wat Tambor, the Banking Clan and the rest of their leaders outside of the Arena, and by bombard the area you will lost a lot of inteligence about their forces and locations, not to mention the killing of civilians that didn't have anything to do with the conflict (even if those civilians were bugs but whatever)
@ThrawnFett123
@ThrawnFett123 3 жыл бұрын
Well, they lost all the intelligence anyway when they escaped. Dooku was also the glue holding the Separatists at that moment with them just barely coming together. Gunray was the only known separatist leader to know of Sidious at the time. Even if they had agreed to keep fighting thanks to Sidious, there would be a power struggle with all of them wanting to assume public control either themselves or through their own puppets like Grievous. Either way, militarily it was the best option, at the time and in hindsight.
@yochaiwyss3843
@yochaiwyss3843 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows the CIS cannot be defeated so long they have the TECHNO UNION's mixtape
@brandonstevenson9592
@brandonstevenson9592 3 жыл бұрын
I’m just a simple man making my way through the comments
@BaxterAndLunala
@BaxterAndLunala Жыл бұрын
Depa Billaba had two different fates I can think of: In Legends, she fell to the Dark Side, but in Canon she was gunned down by Clones.
@kodiakcalkins7883
@kodiakcalkins7883 3 жыл бұрын
"Gentlemen, welcome to Dubai"
@Livinthelife88
@Livinthelife88 3 жыл бұрын
Kanan probably be like my master is a Sith Lord
@ZoeMalDoran
@ZoeMalDoran 2 жыл бұрын
Once again, I saw the title and thought "I bet I know which book he's going to reference" 😉 You did make a few minor mistakes though. For one thing there were only six Akk Guards. Mace says to his clone commander "Yoda wouldn't risk his clone troopers against one enemy Force user on Geonosis. There could be as many as seven in there" , and the commander corrects him that there could be eight. Those eight being the Akk Guards, Kar Vastor, and Depa. Other than that, and the description of the penultimate stage of the battle (before Mace and Depa fight) not quite flowing the way I remember reading it, this was another great video 🙂
@adrijenie4105
@adrijenie4105 3 жыл бұрын
The approval of using clone army using chips in their heads is already warcrime enough.
@lukes401k
@lukes401k 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, no one knew except dooku, palps, and possibly the kaminoans
@juliovazquez3166
@juliovazquez3166 3 жыл бұрын
This is probably the reason why Mace Windu and the High Council was against giving Anakin the rank of Master
@Tahkaullus01
@Tahkaullus01 3 жыл бұрын
Well that and Anakin was what is scientifically termed 'A Hot Mess.'
@islandcave8738
@islandcave8738 3 жыл бұрын
If Anakin had gained Windus trust by not interferring, and Palpatine had been successfully be defeated by the Jedi, he would have been made a Jedi Master.
@nl396
@nl396 3 жыл бұрын
And once more legends proves to be superior than anything the souless mouse can produce.
@christophersandidge8257
@christophersandidge8257 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this book. One of the most chilling things about the "summer time war", was when Nick Rostu told Mace Windu that "you have to find the place where it becomes fun." ( I may be paraphrasing).
@ZoeMalDoran
@ZoeMalDoran 2 жыл бұрын
"The Jedi have a name for that; the Dark Side"
@lgg9384
@lgg9384 Жыл бұрын
A response to that quote: "This is where the fun begins."
@BlackVelvetDaydream
@BlackVelvetDaydream 3 жыл бұрын
Jedi Order: But we have to protect life and keep the peace! Depa Billaba: bUt We HaFtA pRuTeKt LiFe AnD kEeP dUh PeEcE
@its_johnH
@its_johnH 3 жыл бұрын
Meetra Surik would like to know your location.
@NaudiNadia
@NaudiNadia 3 жыл бұрын
"The superior story in legends" ahhhh, as it should be.
@supremeleadergnkdroid3202
@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 3 жыл бұрын
Legends still is the real canon in my eyes
@TimeCircleBlue
@TimeCircleBlue 3 жыл бұрын
It’s an amalgamation for me.
@halvorson566
@halvorson566 2 жыл бұрын
"But farming...Really? Man of your talents?"
@davisje011
@davisje011 3 жыл бұрын
0:50 and here is her employee ID photo
@josevictorionunez9312
@josevictorionunez9312 2 жыл бұрын
Depa Bilaba in Canon: Run Kanan! Run! Depa Bilaba in Legends: All of you might die but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
@chris-ChrisTheKing
@chris-ChrisTheKing 2 жыл бұрын
Depa Billaba went full Colonel Kurtz here
@Spartan3D213
@Spartan3D213 3 жыл бұрын
She fell in a similar trap of Malachor 5, it was a matter of time. And by sweeping it under the rug and simply forgetting it, they've only showed that they've truly never learned.
@SpaceViking2000
@SpaceViking2000 2 жыл бұрын
And then Obi Wans apprentice went on to do worse. That seat was cursed.
@macewindu3492
@macewindu3492 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Depa. I have failed you
@MasterGenshu
@MasterGenshu 3 жыл бұрын
Just make sure not to fail anyone else. We know your still alive!
@macewindu3492
@macewindu3492 3 жыл бұрын
@@MasterGenshu I am. I'm too badass to die
@MasterGenshu
@MasterGenshu 3 жыл бұрын
@@macewindu3492 I know Master Windu!
@jubjub67261
@jubjub67261 3 жыл бұрын
Classic legends was so much better then current cannon, Disney and the clone wars brought alot of goodies im no hater, but I always loved the darker tone and especially the darker clones, just straight up following orders in order 66 instead of chips
@lightknight6749
@lightknight6749 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with classic legends to my preference although I like the fact that the clones had chips it made more sense to me
@KhunShawn
@KhunShawn 3 жыл бұрын
5:43 HOL UP
@MistahFox
@MistahFox 3 жыл бұрын
Gives me strong Heart of Darkness vibes
@CLWZ.Capalot
@CLWZ.Capalot 3 жыл бұрын
How did the clones explain to the Jedi about what happened to Krell🤔
@abyssus9304
@abyssus9304 3 жыл бұрын
He fell in the shower.
@TheBenjaman
@TheBenjaman 3 жыл бұрын
He was cleaning his blaster, when checking the prison cells...
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 11 ай бұрын
@@TheBenjaman Obi-Wan: "Impossible! A Jedi would never use such a uncivilized weapon!"
@VTOLxEmpire99
@VTOLxEmpire99 3 жыл бұрын
That's the best thing about having legends and Canon separate are the different versions of characters. Some being cooler in Canon and some in legends and some just cool all in both.
@mikkelnpetersen
@mikkelnpetersen 3 жыл бұрын
8:51 Qui-Gon: "WAIT, YOU CAN DO THAT?"
@hfhxgdytfyguyghfyfhrbt6gxc749
@hfhxgdytfyguyghfyfhrbt6gxc749 2 жыл бұрын
These Legends stories seem like they could make a really interesting animated anthology series in the same ilk as the Clone Wars.
@dianabarnett6886
@dianabarnett6886 3 жыл бұрын
Heart of Darkness: Star Wars Edition
@GeneralGrievous-1138
@GeneralGrievous-1138 3 жыл бұрын
It's already a mark of culture to connect this story with Apocalypse Now, but you get extra points for knowing Heart of Darkness
@charleshemphill6923
@charleshemphill6923 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like this planet is strong in the dark side of the force.
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 3 жыл бұрын
Mace: I will beat the evil out you
@germanshepherd2701
@germanshepherd2701 3 жыл бұрын
That damn thumbnail killed me... “‘cancelled’ for crimes against civilization” 😂
@SPCBRAWLERZ
@SPCBRAWLERZ 3 жыл бұрын
An insane story. Thanks for another amazing story.
@jamiewalsh3349
@jamiewalsh3349 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the legends version of Caleb Dume did during the Clone Wars?
@minisarge2619
@minisarge2619 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't exist. He's a canon exclusive.
@jamiewalsh3349
@jamiewalsh3349 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I can dream right?
@minisarge2619
@minisarge2619 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamiewalsh3349 feel that. He',s a personal favorite of mine
@KirbyBWebb
@KirbyBWebb 3 жыл бұрын
True ,what others are saying. She shouldn't have been left alone. Even Jedi need mental rest. it's the same with Military leaders here, they can crack .
@slikdeezyg8577
@slikdeezyg8577 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video i dint even know about this jedi or her name. I love that you make these videos on legends💙💙💙
@CD-Freedom
@CD-Freedom 3 жыл бұрын
If Quinlan Vos went to the dark side and joined Count Dooku in both Canon and Legends, why is it not possible that Depa Billaba one day woke up, spent months rehabilitating and was granted amnesty?
@manty5
@manty5 3 жыл бұрын
"The superior story from legends" Aren't they always?
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 3 жыл бұрын
Except this is no longer canon. Edit: They do still have her in a coma leading up to her taking Caleb Dume as a padawan.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 3 жыл бұрын
He already mentioned in the video it was legends I don’t see what your point is.
@michaelhowze8198
@michaelhowze8198 3 жыл бұрын
No one cares what Disney says if the story is good it's good screw th mouse and his Mega Corp
@RHR199X
@RHR199X 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about what could have been an alternative to the Jedi’s fate in order 66. What Palpatine could have done instead of wiping them out. What if the Jedi became so arrogant and corrupt that they became keepers of the peace in name only, becoming little more than an order of crusaders that did nothing more than fight wars for the Galactic Government. Still claiming to be on the light but committing horrible acts of violence in the name of it, their Jedi robes now giving themselves a sense of superiority and justification to unleash punishment on whoever went against the divine light of the force. Reminiscent of the ancient Jedi who slaughtered the Sith and the Imperial Knights of Fel’s Empire. The Republic would become the Empire and they wouldn’t even notice because they would have rotted from within just the rest of the military, a Jedi would have more in common with a Moff at this point. Alternatively what of the Jedi Temple was turned into a reeducation facility instead of the Imperial Palace, where the remaining younglings underwent Inquisitorial style "training” but on a massive scale, essentially creating an army of dark side users for the empire with new masters to take over teaching from Yoda and the others, who would be killed or in hiding. Their function would be similar to the generals during the clone wars with the imperial technology like TIE fighters, but they would be utter slaves of the empire, without an order of their own, being used as weapons or tools like the clones had been for their abilities as they lead the stormtroopers into battle while training in a temple that once symbolised their autonomy and knowledge was now a dystopian war academy. Other Jedi who escaped would not be killed but forcibly converted by Vader himself or other ex-Jedi members.
@michaelhowze8198
@michaelhowze8198 3 жыл бұрын
So basically "what if the Jedi order became Sith"?
@foxpro3002
@foxpro3002 3 жыл бұрын
Now that would be interesting
@brianseveriano7020
@brianseveriano7020 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel deserves more subs
@LoliMaster69227
@LoliMaster69227 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin making the masters before him proud I see
@jendersonmohammed443
@jendersonmohammed443 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative!
@jaywinger878
@jaywinger878 3 жыл бұрын
Soooooo once again windus fault for having a jedi turn to the dark side it wasn't her fault the emotions made her snap and go insane windu shouldint have sent her alone maybe with 2 other jedi and a small despatch of clones as back up
@ramarblood7697
@ramarblood7697 3 жыл бұрын
Well sometimes worrying about the well being of others as Jedi can be a setback. Plus she was highly skilled and Windu clearly had enough confidence in her.
@jokairou489
@jokairou489 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramarblood7697 More so negligence than confidence. All that darkness cascading onto someone extra sensitive to it almost never ends well.
@Saturnus_Ouranos
@Saturnus_Ouranos 3 жыл бұрын
@@jokairou489 agree
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@jokairou489 Agree too.
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramarblood7697 it doesn't matter whether she is a Jedi prodigy. Anyone is susceptible to the dark side of force. Mace Windu didn't have the common sense to realize that her apprentice might need some backup to end war between two nations. That been fighting for centuries😒.
@UnexpectedWonder
@UnexpectedWonder 2 жыл бұрын
I expect more of this in Jedi History.
@eugenelau3927
@eugenelau3927 3 ай бұрын
Half the opening page is from the book "Shatterpoint" which is between Episode 2 & 3!!!
@HinokasArabfan1
@HinokasArabfan1 3 жыл бұрын
Cancelled for a good reason? Liar!
@fredesca8648
@fredesca8648 2 жыл бұрын
Saphran sends his regards.
@paladinmetalus6612
@paladinmetalus6612 3 жыл бұрын
Damn Depa really doesn't have much luck. Legends: She goes Colonel Kurtz gets nicked for war crimes and goes into a coma. Canon: Becomes a victim of Order 66. Either way she's screwed.
@alexross1816
@alexross1816 2 жыл бұрын
Depa "Geneva Suggestions" Bilaba
@Nono-hk3is
@Nono-hk3is 3 жыл бұрын
Shatterpoint is such a good novel
@privatehudson516
@privatehudson516 2 жыл бұрын
Mace Windu: my Padwan turned out to be a lost cause! Yoda and Obiwan: first time? (Count Dooku and Vader)
@lukeyskywalker1251
@lukeyskywalker1251 3 жыл бұрын
Nice thumbnail I like all the “Civilisation”
@Ceriu
@Ceriu 3 жыл бұрын
Pathetic Jedi - Falls to the darkside due to weak will... Revan - CHOOSES THE DARKSIDE...REVAN NEVER FELL!
@banebeard
@banebeard 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, he jumped, feet first, with a scowl
@Nx57ytre
@Nx57ytre 3 жыл бұрын
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
@jimmyshrimbe9361
@jimmyshrimbe9361 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a story!
@swissball99
@swissball99 Жыл бұрын
Anakin be like:this is outrageous, it's unfair
@alexanderodonnell988
@alexanderodonnell988 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about the 31st nexu legion? There's not that much about them but if possible that would be great👊🏻
@danielhales8169
@danielhales8169 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i didnt know this such a great video
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