The Optimal Team Comp

[@TierZoo]

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[@moiramain2k]

TierZoo do one with extinct animals from the ice age such as mammoths saber tooth cats and ride wolfs

[@Seranov]

The pin is awesome. Bought one to wear on my lanyard at work. Keep up the great work!

[@freddiesimmons1394]

TZ, you have to do an addendum where you balance the numbers. How about, say 600 rats?

[@許進曾]

sorry just asking if the humans weapon is not limited what will you chose then, assuming you could chose where to fight and you are also armed,besides no ammo limit and i will have preparing time about 3 to 4 hours. in that case i will chose human and eagle i will arm the human with 50 cal machine gun and i will arm my self with grenade launcher assume i will chose a island which is 1 km from shore, animals need to cross the water i will quickly setup a MG nest and i will have a small platform to observe situation. first i could clearly see the surroundings and call the MG to dispatch the larger animal from 1 km distance the eagle will harassed the rats crossing the open water, the crocodile have to go on land to attack me but will be mow down by machine gun fire . i will try and shoot the rat pack once distance close to 400 meters which will quickly kill them because of the shock wave produce my the impacting grenade but also the frags. when the distance closed up to 100 m there will be no large animals left but only rats at this time the eagle will start to attack them and also backup with MG and grenade launcher. this process will grind the enemies man power to zero and so i win

[@DinoSuperCool]

"gorillas wont be much use without a clear battle plan since they cant use tactics" - " the eagles will look out for the hunter and go for everyones eyes while 200per enemy will swarm the blinded enemies"

[@David9413]

The idea of being some mercenary hunter type having been hired by some weird eccentric millionaire to participate in a competitive manhunt, hunting alongside trained gorillas and lions, only to be swarmed by literal thousands of rats is the best mental image provided by this.

[@slothymango]

😂😂

[@endslayer5133]

Bruh imagine getting dive bombed by eagles defending your eyes then something small starts climbing your leg more and more come and you realize those are rats but seconds later your fully submerged in rats

[@theherooffire007]

Pretty sure The Rock would sign up for that movie. He's made very similar ones already, lmao.

[@theskull9960]

Man human should be on B or at least also put wolves on A with human

[@dinamosflams]

This need to be a story

[@RealRabidRabbit]

Imagine being a hunter, sent into a battlefield to kill one person with your rifle, then you’re ambushed by 10,000 rats and 50 hawks at the same time

Truly tragic.

[@fred_derf]

Just how do you go about getting 10,000 rats and 50 hawks to coordinate an attack?

[@nocthemedic2951]

@@fred_derf the meme says that they will protect you. This implies that they're going to attack the other group of animals. While they may or may not be the best with coordination is irrelevant

[@zekailim2546]

No, you will see one hawk at best, get blinded by it and then eaten alive by something you can't see.

[@blanca-borb]

@@zekailim2546 *Confused screaming*

[@GodKnowsWhatIsInHere]

I like how arguably a much bigger factor in this isn't "who would you want on your team?", but rather "who would you want to NOT be on the enemy team?"

[@Stormwern]

I think rats are a weak choice, being slower than the VIP make them no threat at all. I'd take eagles and wolves. Edit: I'll summarize the arguments since people aren't reading the full thread anymore. I changed my pick to eagles and bulls. Rats are weak on offense because a fit VIP can outrun them indefinitely. Bulls will have no problem trampling 10000 rats given infinite amounts of time, if the VIP and eagles help kill any rats that have attached themselves each run. They are also weak on defense because they don't have enough mass to stop a charging bull, bear or lion. They will *eventually* win against any other animals, but not before the VIP is dead.

[@ole9779]

@@Stormwern except, rats are faster

[@AntVaz7]

@@Stormwern Have you SEEN rats or eagles? Rats are only topped by probably Lions and Wolfs in speed and maybe Cattle but they have insane acceleration and their top speed is faster than most candidates in this list so Rats would be pretty OP

[@en4833]

Guys, I looked it up. A rat's top speed is eight miles per hour. Everything on this list can run faster than a rat with the exception of the crocodile. And even the croc can run faster in short bursts.

[@AntVaz7]

@@en4833 that is probably true but even so a rat or eagle would be harder to catch, so much so that big animals couldn’t do anything to them

[@a199719971997]

Also, just imagine if this battle did not have a time limit. If you hide and wait for 3 months, you triple your rat count.

[@brianstabile165]

It also doesn’t have a location thing so have the human lock himself in a metal box with a slit

[@bvoros361]

@@brianstabile165 hopefully the snail couldnt get in

[@Nico_com_c]

​@@bvoros361Now, that's a golden rare reference

[@logantrashh7781]

​@@Nico_com_cnot really rare anymore. But at one point yes

[@Nico_com_c]

@@logantrashh7781 It kinda is, the trend died very fast so not a lot of people would remember by now. 21st century attention span.

[@Zinnshady]

Watching an army of rats slowly devour a live bear would be pretty horrific now that you mention it

[@HansenDing]

Yeah assuming you can actually control and coordinate all your animals you'd only need like...5000 rats to devour the bears. And then you gotta find something to do with your other 5000 rats....

[@chocodono2146]

Hansen Ding do you know how much 5000 is? They could kill the bear with only 200

[@bucktoothbill5334]

@@chocodono2146 probably less

[@tarod3]

Lion they have low hp and the bear has a thick hide. And you want him to die outright, not days later. I’d say at least 1000 per bear or you’ll run out of rats before you fight the gators.

[@cubiusblockus3973]

Rats being high tier choice is a bit of a joke. Watch some ratting vids on youtube. small jack russels kill hundreds of them within hours. Wolves plus human is the best choice using hit and run tactics. Both have the highest stamina in the game, the wolves can distract and meat wall for the human to pick off the biggests threats like bears, lions and bulls which have the highest burst speed and damage output. which leaves the eagles(harrassers but weak AF), crocs(big hitters but slow AF), Gorillas(big hitters but slow AF) and rats(low hitters but swarming and slow). Id personally try the leave the rats for last. 15 wolves would make short work of 10,000 rats.... Every fight must be hit and run.

[@ed3948]

I dont think the person who made this understands how large 10,000 is

[@lennoxhawkis6697]

True but a bull could just run though them and just crush them slowly but surely and they would not be able to do anything to stop that

[@ArsayumTheThird]

Lenfox420 LOAF Maybe if the bull weren’t fighting at least a hundred rats at once, that might work, but crushing a few in its way wouldn’t kill more than a few dozen in a few minutes. That and well collectively a few hundred rats are going to start weighing a lot when they’re able to cling on to any animal, which will immobilise the target to allow for easy attacks on the eyes and digging into skin.

[@satrioekowicaksono7452]

@@lennoxhawkis6697 u clearly still doesn't understand how many 10000 rats is.

[@impulsiveDecider]

@@lennoxhawkis6697 they will be exhausted after quite some time also he has to look up to face some of the birds too

[@solwen]

You could put all the other choices against them and they would still win. 10 000 frenzied rats are just an unstoppable tide of razor teeth. And if you give them the "Black plague" or "Warpstone" status it's just gg.

[@RoboLamp]

The UI has gotten ridiculously fantastic over the episodes! The way the lines open up and stats rise doesn't go unnoticed!

[@XxSmoothGroovexX]

Robo Lamp ultra instinct?

[@aForkfulOfGold]

User Interface

[@pedrotalons1422]

Ironicaly it went unnoticed for me until you pointed it out

[@nesano4735]

KA KA KA KA KACHI DAZE

[@maeglin9041]

Swarming is a game-breaking ability. Every build that can team up with hundreds, or thousands of it's kindis OP. A swarm of locusts was one of the 10 plagues of Egypt, a swarm of ants can reduce a body to bones in a couple hours, a stampede of wildebeast killed Mufasa.

[@imbaby5499]

Yep. Swarming is extremely hard, if not impossible, to balance because how chaotic the relation between number of minions and their effectiveness can be.

[@DaTimmeh]

@@imbaby5499Just like how a 1v2 in a fight is practically impossible without a major advantage in fight iq and athleticism.

[@rjhogan07]

@@DaTimmeh This. One statistic I’ve heard tossed around is that if you are going on the offensive against any sort of position that give the defender an advantage, it is a melee only fight, and things like equipment are all roughly equal, you want to outnumber the defender three to one at minimum - that way, even the top-tier defenders get outnumbered and taken down, simply because the third guy can kill the defender while he’s busy blocking, dodging, or pulling the weapon he just used to kill the first two attackers out of their bodies; note that such an occurrence is down to RNG and the attackers still can get kills in two on one and even one on one scenarios, it’s just that three is the minimum for eliminating at LOT of statistical variability in this scenario. This numerical advantage proceeds to snowball and help overcome the defensive buffs the defenders receive from terrain, letting the attackers win. Note, again, this is with roughly equal equipment on both sides, with the combatants being at minimum roughly average examples of the human species. Results will change when accounting for: non-human stat pools (stuff like goblins, elves, and dragons complicate the meta massively, as does the magic such races usually come with) Strategic maneuvers (collapsing numerous walls via undermining or siege weapons removes a lot of the defenders buffs, as does making bridges over moats and pits). And RANGED ATTACKS change the equation completely, as the possibility of witiling the other side down before a melee battle happens shifts numbers in unpredictable ways, with the defenders being able to remove the attackers number advantage with enough time, and the attackers being able to reduce the number of buffed up defenders they need to cut through to get the win.

[@muguly4591]

Climate change:I'm bouta end this man's whole career.

[@nlluke5207]

@@imbaby5499 human with flamethrower OP

[@El_Omar2203]

I knew the rats and eagles were the best ones. Though there's a big lack of the "eagle throw rat" strategy.

[@sugoha_2548]

Rat dropping eagles would indeed be terrifying

[@nate-bc9zw]

So that’s what they mean when they say “airborne plague”

[@alvinip9128]

lol rat meteors

[@richardlooch2109]

i think the human and the rats would be best. if you give the human a shotgun with birdshot and a large caliber rifle then he can take out the eagles with the shotgun and then transition to his stopping rifle to assist the rats in taking out some of the tougher animals.

[@richardlooch2109]

@ur mama farting it was not seen with a bolt action rifle... bolt action rifles have a bolt sticking out. google "lee enfeild" or "kar 98" or "1903 springfeild". teir zoo doesnt know shit abt guns and he doesnt have to. he makes videos on animals not guns.

[@scottgrey3337]

The thing about "200 rats per combant" is that it'll quickly become " *at least* 200 rats per combatant." Each enemy that falls is going to leave rats to reinforce all the other rat gangs, and even the *very* implausible casualty rat of 50% still leaves an extra hundred rats to help. Not only would the attacker's best animals have to beat 200 rats, which already feels impossible, they'll have to pick up the slack for everyone else. And I think it's quicker for 200 rats to beat one animal than vice versa, so have fun with those swarm tactics.

[@necromancedkoatle]

Please tell me “casualty rat” was intentional

[@omnitroph1501]

@@necromancedkoatle Does it matter?

[@SSGeorgie]

You can run from rats at least. Bears, bulls, wolves, and lions would catch and kill you in seconds lol

[@tamasrehany6532]

Furthermore its not just the rats they have to fight, its the rats plus whatever else the other pick is. Figthing the swarm while simultaneously being attacked from the air or being shot at is not fun.

[@JS-rv3et]

i picked rats obviously because 10 FUCKING THOUSAND is alot god damn rats. and really the other pick is just for moral support. so excluding rats id pick... wolves and either gorillas or crocs. depending on if i know the environment ahead of time. i think gorillas could easily deal with lions if not " easily" would be more the able to with wolf support. also am I allowed to fight as well? or am i just sitting idle also can i give commands and coordinate?

[@Digimodify]

Finally, justification for my team entirely composed of Pidgy and Rattata

[@suryanshbiswas]

not pidgy but starapter

[@M4x_P0w3r]

@@suryanshbiswas Not Staraptor, but Braviary

[@Real_Tower_Pizza]

@@M4x_P0w3r not braviary but flygon

[@i.love.mrbudgell]

Charizard?

[@obiwancannoli1920]

@@Real_Tower_Pizza not flygon, there's only one true bird for this V U L L A B Y

[@Mudskipper-z2b]

I feel like being able to command 50 eagles and 10000 rats would be absolutely badass

[@Doge_rbx8]

Imagine command a sharko and a 100 mudskippers, you will be invencible

[@gamergreg94]

@@Doge_rbx8 the deep calls

[@herobrinetnt3]

@@Doge_rbx8this one’s sanity must’ve already crumbled.

[@mitasova9064]

@@Doge_rbx8 a deepwoken reference here of all places

[@randomnepali7772]

the fight in a shellnut: Attacking Army: - well-rounded, decently-sized assault force -high-level build acting as possible leader or the assassin who'll take advantage of the chaos Defending Army: -*zerg rush* -*the Soviet wartime stereotype encapsulated*

[@Superbug-tf8zy]

Well the soviets won so i'll take em rats

[@thebesthumour1855]

I think you meant nutshell

[@CasualGuy60]

@@thebesthumour1855 They can be used interchangeably when meme-ing/joking

[@yawcty6478]

Just set time to Winter with this strategy and *SOVIET%* win rate

[@somuchtocook9159]

And then there is unlimited manpower with the form of rats

[@usagi2934]

imagine getting your eyes blinded by an eagle and as you're covering your eyes you feel a thousand rats covering up your thighs

[@solcoreoceltrale4578]

Also the eagles could take the gun then give it to you. Know you have 10,000 rats 50 eagles AND a ranged insta kill weapon, yes everyone can dodge but they will also be stuck in the rats so you can shoot them

[@m3lvn415]

@@solcoreoceltrale4578 you misunderstood. The human with the gun is not the target. He is just an option like the other animals. Rewatch it.

[@Zaire82]

@@m3lvn415 There's no indication that they misunderstood. In practice it's almost the same anyway. 1 human + gun and all the other animals vs 1 human + 10,000 rats and 50 Eagles. The remaining animals won't be protecting the armed human, but they're on the same team.

[@m3lvn415]

@@Zaire82 there is also no indication that you know how to use a gun. Maybe you're aim accuracy is 10%, if you know how to shoot. No matter what option is chosen, its a lost. And 1000 rats cant stop raging bulls and bears. This is not anime.

[@Zaire82]

@@m3lvn415 What are you on about? 1000 rats is like a sea of rodents. They'd scare off anything with eyes or ears. They could literally gnaw off their flesh and bone faster than they could move. Rats are terrifyingly omnivorous. Plus, regardless of whether I'm used to using a gun or not, 10% accuracy is better than 0%, with no gun at all.

[@jomsies]

You just have to farm at the first 30 minutes of the game as human and buy the nuclear set during the late game.

[@Corperate3DAnimatedGuy]

The Human would give me emotional control :)

[@jeffreygao3956]

Nukes get banned; Restrict to 18th century technology levels.

[@VelociraptorWithInternet]

I know the cheat code. Play as the human, pick the 50 eagles and 10 crocodiles/5 gorillas. Now, pick the Crazy Cat Lady class which allows you to equip unlimited cats, allowing you to kill every rat.

[@spudo6]

@@VelociraptorWithInternetu ain’t a human tho

[@VelociraptorWithInternet]

@@spudo6 why not?

[@ampersandellipsis747]

You can also make the eagles pick up your rats to throw at enemies further away before the ealges go for the eyes, causing a first wave of dropped rats to disrupt the enemy before your giant rat wave hits.

[@TheSoullessImmortal]

Assuming one eagle can carry one rat in each of their talons, this means that 100 rats will be dropped onto the enemies before the remaining 9,900 moves in. Since there’s a total of 35 enemies, that means each of them will be disrupted by nearly 3 rats. This won’t do much, but adding the eagles, now each enemy is dealing with 3 rats and at least 1 eagle. Some will have to deal with multiple eagles at the same time.

[@randomuser9482]

paratrooper rats

[@AlexiosTheSixth]

Someone should make an RTS game about this tbh

[@ExtreptococosPsiconeuroinmunoe]

​@@TheSoullessImmortal 3 rats it's a minumum of a kg

[@ExtreptococosPsiconeuroinmunoe]

And almost 2 at most

[@timstolwijkts]

Okay hear me out: airdropping 100 rats with the eagles after taking the sniper

[@DaDrewinz]

lmao cue the mission impossible soundtrack.

[@lnvalidm8]

nothing says they will work together lmao the eagles will just fly them back to the nest and eat em

[@axelpetersson5787]

@@lnvalidm8 do you not understand what a hypothetical scenario is?

[@wallywallendo]

Yes

[@hasuoka]

@@axelpetersson5787 i dont think he does...

[@SREETAM_D]

He protecc He attacc But most importantly He brings the bubonic plaque bacc.

[@angryfrowner8810]

indeed tier zoo is the rat king and the other animals have the pestilence

[@diotima_]

plaque

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Ofc you mean *Bubonicc* plague ;)

[@Zandre1126]

@@noneofyourbeeswax01 nah it's a framed bubonic plaque :)

[@sonofthebearking3335]

😁

[@d2ultima]

TierZoo is now my life. The bell has been hit. Videos are watched same-day.

[@Maradnus]

I haven't been later than 30mins late on my views :D

[@jongyon7192p]

How would you balance the numbers to make this a fair game?

[@n0isyturtle]

you revolve your life around a channel that puts out videos every two weeks? you must have a lot of down time.

[@Maradnus]

it's worth investing the time to wait for the next video!

[@mikejejeful]

D2ultima who needs a bell when you live here?

[@Youbeentagged]

Whoever made this meme, does not comprehend the number 10,000.

[@Greasy_Gigaballs382]

Yeah it's just incredibly unbalanced, maybe there would be a chance with 1,000 rats but 10,000 there's just absolutely 0 competition

[@AleaRandomAm]

Everybody gangsta until Ratatouille and his 9 999 cousins charge at you

[@human-pl7pt]

the rat name be Remy

[@SC-ce3vp]

@@human-pl7pt that's the joke

[@cococop6679]

@@SC-ce3vp No it wasn’t

[@grandm6070]

@@human-pl7pt Its funnier that way

[@SC-ce3vp]

@@cococop6679 I see, it wasn't.

[@Kenya_Berry]

The rats will also reproduce fast, so if the battle takes days your army will possibly double within a week

[@Zurowoxx]

Who said the babies would swore their loyalty to you?

[@garethbaus5471]

It takes more than a week for newborn rats to mature enough to be useful in combat.

[@dragonex4723]

@@Zurowoxx baby follow parent parent murders animals baby murders animals

[@alzhanvoid]

@@Zurowoxx Because their parents told them to. Or ate the ones that didn't.

[@SnailHatan]

Uh, no. They do not reproduce that quickly.

[@xyon9090]

*When sheer numbers overpower the skilled*

[@maximaldinotrap]

Dean Natuno, Zerg Rush

[@Grey_Ramen_Hair]

*something plays in the back ground* *you can't tell what it is * it gets louder *it's the Soviet national anthem*

[@fishreaper]

damn I was just thinking the same thing.

[@dj.h8374]

Lord of the rings orcs

[@dhrt5577]

Andrew Gan a lot I presume

[@FreshlyBrewedTea]

What’s looked over is the vip even tho it can’t defeat the animals, it isn’t like a brick wall that has to be reached. The vip as a human can run, hide, and even fend for its self against some of the weaker animals if they are injured by the defending ones.

[@SpadeDraco]

The wording of the original meme strongly implied that the VIP would be the reader and that whatever circumstances you are currently in (for most people this would be sitting at home in front of their computer) would be the rough time and place of the attack. This means that the optimal strategy for the average person would be to pick Rats (anything that wanted to do you harm would have to slog through the biting horde) and Hunter (everyone seems to love Eagles in this comments section but they'd be largely useless trying to crawl and climb around indoors with a huge horde of rats jumping them). There's no rule in the original text that implied in any way that you couldn't call for help either, so the optimal strat would be to barricade yourself in a windowless room of your home with Hunter buddy, call the Cops, the Media and literally everyone else you can think of, lie to them if you have to and tell them that you're being swarmed by the rats + send pics of the rat swarm. And then just sit tight until either the rats kill all of the attacking animals or the Cops/Army/Local Militia show up to mop up everything. TZ made a bit of show of talking about matchups because that's his whole thing but there realistically is almost no actual nuance to the scenario.

[@geekygoggles628]

As we say in D&D: We may not be stronger than the boss, but we have one advantage they don't. *Turn economy.*

[@somuchtocook9159]

I thought it was action economy

[@Ekkaisara]

That's why you gotta give your boss minions, keep those adventurer fucks on their toes

[@bretterry8356]

​@@somuchtocook9159 It is.

[@renarddubois940]

Tchazzar : *laughs in bonus action meteor storm*

[@butterflyenjoyer230]

You may have turn economy BUT I CAN LET IT SUMMON MINIONS

[@katipunan4212]

10,000 Is an extremely OP number wtf was the guy creating this thinking?

[@heartbust4624]

Whoever made this really underestimated how much 10,000 of something is

[@aaronmay701]

rat don't really have any piercing damage compared having low base stats overall. They could easily be squished by the sheer weight of a bull

[@KokoroKatsura]

A N I M E N I M E

[@dareenx1225]

Aaron May Yeah but a bull can’t even squish like 300 rats, so 10.000 is way too much

[@peterzelaya9948]

@@aaronmay701 I'm assuming you've never had a rat bite you? It hurts quite alot.

[@Sleepless_Sam]

The choices are too obvious, this meme needs balancing.

[@amethystseaeggos5510]

First Last yeah the rat is too obvious

[@Jon-vx4bh]

First Last yeah rats were super op in early metas because they could spec into desiese which, during those patches, had no counter. The rats are still really strong today, especially vs the other low intelligence classes.

[@Davelittler1]

Agreed. If you don't have the rats on your team, then you're dead no matter what; there is nothing on this list which could possibly defend you from that many of them swarming you simultaneously. Similarly, nothing on this list could deal with dozens of eagles at once. Once you've determined that, everything else on the list is just details.

[@clubberlang8050]

Yeah, if you actually thought about the meme and didn't pick rat, you have no grasp of numbers.

[@pedrolmlkzk]

oh no, balance patchs have a reputation of being too rough

[@thetrickster4899]

Rats and Eagles all day, just by virtue of swarming. People will assume that 10,000 rats and 50 eagles can't coordinate, it's also safe to say that the enemies wouldn't either, but I think it's safer to assume that it will be some sort of battle considering the nature of the question. You will be defended, and the rest will be coming to attack. I'll take my chances with the swarming strat. Always worked for me in games.

[@thetruebiggestdon]

And at the end of the day, you could always bribe the eagles with the rats 😎

[@en4833]

I mean, it's just a little over 200 rats per attacking animal. A bull is going to run right through that in a matter of seconds, since they have good durability and can run at 35 miles an hour, which is far quicker than any rat. Not to mention the hunter, who would dome you in the head before any of the eagles or rats can make it to him.

[@TippedScale]

​@@en4833Okay, look, being bitten by rats hurt. Really bad. A lot of the animals would get overrun simply by virtue of being swarmed immediately. And eagles can go pretty fast. They could feasibly take out the huntsman before he's able to load his first bullet

[@AeyakS]

​​​@@en4833Yet, if the player doesn't choose rats or eagles, they die. Although the bulls might have AoE, and the hunter has ranged attacks, these aren't hard counters because there is always terrain advantage and aerial attacks versus the hunter, and bulls run out of stamina after the first 200 rats, surely. Plus, most creatures against the player are single target attackers, meaning that more rats per target is exponentially more effective. When a target is defeated, the 190 rats or so that survive move to the next, causing a steamroll effect. Oh, another thing, the player has the defender's bonus whereas attackers do not. Ambush predators like crocodiles lose their armor and terrain advantages because rats can find their bellies when they are exposed, which they have to be exposed since they can't lurk in water during the hunt.

[@kiro253]

​@@AeyakSi mean...u could just outrun those rats....forever?? Human have higher top speed and endurance than rats

[@Terraraptor1]

For a potential future video, if you had to pick a team of D and F tiers to take on a team of A and S tiers, which builds would you pick and why?

[@tonycampbell1424]

I don't know how much potential that has as a notion, only because it's too vague.

[@validnerd723]

Tier Video on the worst animals in the game. Soooo a Tire video on a tier

[@fiforfun06]

oh my shit that's good

[@brendangolledge8312]

Animals are rated F to S tier in their environment. So it sounds impossible to choose F tiers and S tiers in the same biome such that F > S, because those animals would already be in contact with each other, and if the F tier could smash the S tier, then the tiers in that biome are wrong. It only seems plausible to do this with invasive species, like maybe an animal that is F tier in one biome could be higher in some other biome. That would be an uncommon occurrence. From what I understand, usually invasive species are already decent tiered generalists (probably at least B) in their own environment and become S tier in the new environment. Probably most F tiers are animals which are poorly specialized, and it would seem unusual for an animal to be better specialized for an environment in which it did not evolve.

[@roy_mezz-awake2470]

Welcome to Smogon.

[@JustWrite]

How long until someone else makes another "pick two" meme to spam you with? :P Great video though!

[@TierZoo]

Hey if it's popular enough I'd be dumb not to analyze it! Thanks Sage!

[@noahalban6384]

TierZoo hey tier zoo, could you do a discussion of the urban/suburban meta, considering that it’s the fastest growing biome in the game so far?

[@fluxshaman8251]

I imagine it'd be pretty varied, considering the widespread nature of the suburban zones. It would also lean heavily towards any of the builds that humans come to consider "cute" because otherwise, humans begin to exterminate them. And then there's cockroaches.

[@HarryANuss-xt1hj]

Perhaps a water battle...

[@noahalban6384]

Christian Thorn ...which is why it would make an interesting video. There are so many different urban areas and they are so diverse

[@omarmiller314]

Lmao, its hilarious how much thought goes into this

[@riflebusters1]

Omar Miller and amazing too!

[@gaijinkuri684]

That is why it is so good

[@theotherguy4069]

5:20 getting a hawk to ambush the sniper is a brilliant play 👏

[@khantheman6371]

a hawk to? Hawk tuah

[@Jackalite]

i cant do this anymore im destroying the internet

[@Pether_Nortal]

Say that again

[@Mooonwithanextrao]

A hawk to... Uhh...

[@Pengouinn]

Say that again?

[@shieldphaser]

This particular question has always been more of a "what can you afford not to take" thing. The eagles are the only ones with flight, so you have to take them because otherwise you have nothing (other than possibly the human) who can intercept them before they kill you. Similarly, the raw numbers of the rats means that you have to pick them because nothing else on the list can stop them before they get you. Bigger units are also easier to intercept and so are safer to not take, by comparison. The huntsman with the rifle is also an issue, because if he hits, he hits, but one gun can only fire so quickly and so he cannot compete with 50 eagles. You just need to avoid wide open spaces until the hunter is dead.

[@amiiboacid4785]

The rats are bad at defense and can't stop charging tanks like bulls and bears from reaching the human. The eagles can counter rats because they can just keep dive bombing them without taking damage, but obviously that will take a very long time. And unless all 50 eagles are fighting the hunter at once, he can take care of them and then move on to the VIP. The hunter will be just as good at hiding as the VIP if not moreso. The eagles won't immediately know where he is. If they spread out to try to find him they would all be seperated and he can take them out one by one.

[@gigachadzyzz2906]

@@amiiboacid4785 One rat bite and the bull will start screaming in pain and yes, Rats will be able to climb on a charging bull because of their speed.

[@amiiboacid4785]

@@gigachadzyzz2906 one rat bite will do nothing against a bull idiot. I'm not saying rats can't climb them, although it will be difficult due to their height and speed, but they can just keep trampeding forwards until they reach the VIP. Rats cannot be tanks

[@cybercyrus6402]

@@amiiboacid4785 clearly you're underestimating how large 10000 is. If you take out the vip and just ask which would win the rats would solo all of the animals. Which is why the question is about which you don't want against you, because the rats will just kill everything.

[@GraveUypo]

if you can avoid open spaces to evade the human, then eagles are useless to begin with, no reason to take them. just go inside a house or something, pick the human and the wolves. have the human kill the bulls first and the rest becomes useless and the wolves can easily pick off the slow steam of rats that can manage to find their way in, and the others are blocked outside and are easy pickings for the human who will slowly dispatch of all of them.

[@danteinouye6098]

I got attacked by a metric ass ton of rats. It was really scarring. Apparently, a neighbor had managed to isolate a huge pack of rats that had been living off of food for cows for quite awhile (I don't know exactly how it worked). Anyways they were all in this metal silo thingy, and had been kept in there for awhile, since he wanted to starve them out. I had the unfortunate experience of being the one to open the door. While it wasn't 10,000 thankfully, there must have been hundreds. Thankfully I was wearing a pretty heavy pair of coveralls, and a heavy fabric jacket, so I didn't get bitten too many times, but rats can be aggressive, really aggressive when they get hungry. I could see why 10,000 rats would be a little OP

[@limiv5272]

But why did you open that door...?

[@lnvalidm8]

@@limiv5272 not all humans are created with equal intelligence :P

[@thisdobeanameinnit8019]

@@limiv5272 Maybe he was wondering about the noise,(like if there were hundreds of rats, surely you would atleast hear a faint squek,), or thrown something in his neighbor's backyard,

[@tracematson385]

They would be op to defend against yes but not to op as a a defender assuming that you are in a open field. since even though 10000 is a huge amount bulls and bears are both pretty quick and quite tanky. swo you would need quite a big distance foe the rats to kill them all before they reach you. (especially since rats would likely not know to focus these targets in particular and they would likley focus whoever is in the front which would probably be the lions and wolves due to there higher mobility than bears and bulls

[@r3cy]

so we learnt that 10,000 rats can be defeated by sturdy clothes. fearsome.

[@youngmorgan6799]

This channel is just so original, interesting and fun while learning at the same time. My favourite channel of all time Great job!

[@Kunumbah1]

Young Morgan I mean he was inspired from casually explained but yeah this channel is great!

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

It all hinges on the degree of control you have over your defenders. The rats of course are a mandatory choice, no matter what... But unless you are able to direct the eagles to preemptively attack the human as a specific target, then the human will probably escape the eagles attention until it is too late.

[@slipknot95maggot]

...........? Did you scroll back up to look at the numbers again before you said that....? Rats aren't the only populated choice, there are 50 of those birds. If you also picked the rats there are only 45 other combatants total. You're assuming the birds will just attack any old thing which is fine to assume, except there are more birds than every other non rat choice combined sssoooooooooooooooo............ are you assuming birds tend to attack in groups....? Do you think two birds are going to go Goku Freeza in the ToP and dive at the eyes of an animal in tandem....? If the human is a legit proshot gunslinger than it's possible they get you two seconds after the match starts no matter what happens, but assuming you have even a few solid moments before they can target you either because of terrain, starting locations or old poor condition weapon [or a few seconds of "alright let's g- holy sh!t that's a lot of rats"], it's pretty reasonable to assume that one of those birds is going to find it's way to the human in WELL under a minute from start time. There are 50 of them. And none of the remaining opponents are even animals particularly good at attacking aerial opponents, though a few are certainly large enough to shrug off any slashes that aren't to critical body parts, so it's not even like their numbers are going to drop quickly, you're going to have 50 birds for at least a little while unless a bear gets a lucky timed swipe or the human gets one or two good shots tops (in which case you started with 5 more birds than opponents anyway) As far as I can tell "they will defend you" implies a supernatural degree of understanding of the task at hand from the animals but not that you have full on conscious control over them or else why not say they are under your command or something, "they will defend you" implies they know you're the objective and they are willing to lay their life down for you but it does nothing to imply they can take your commands. So as far as I can tell the answer to that is no. ...but again, there are 50 birds. Who cares.? There is one bird for every other combatant at the start of the match plus five extra birds. The human is getting targeted early game just by sheer maths, my dude. To be clear yea obviously this is all headcanon and anything could happen. ...But it's 50 birds v 45 other animals. ....All of those other animals are getting attacked early by a bird no matter what you do brah

[@The_Darke_Lorde]

Let's assume the rats'll just swarm anything in their way, but you can perform specific general commands, like have all the eagles target the human first. Even without that, the human still wouldn't have enough skill, even as a Navy SEAL, to defend against FIFTY EAGLES

[@frankglynn8209]

Also depends on how far the human is from the VIP as at some ranges or views he could instantly take them out

[@plasmakitten4261]

Well, except eagles are smart, and can see well enough that they'll know everything the attacking army has right from the start, so I think it's reasonable to assume at least one or two eagles would work out that the human is the most important target. And it only takes one or two; unless the human is a world class marksman, they're not hitting an eagle with a bolt-action rifle

[@alexolas1246]

it also occurred to me that, with the sheer number of rats at your disposal, you could probably deal with the threat of the hunter by taking sth like a thousand or five hundred of them off the DPS role and act as a tank role instead, by just forming a giant meat-shield around you

[@cancerguy5435]

Pointless idea actually. If the sniper knows even approximately where to shoot, 1 bullet can easily cut through a few layers of rat and still kill the VIP. If the VIP can in fact lie down then this is broken and sniper is completely redundant.

[@Spookatz.]

@@cancerguy5435 ten thousand rats

[@_mystic_5653]

@@cancerguy5435 do you understand how much 500 rats are? If you stack all of them like a swat shield in front of you to cover your entire body from head to toe (considering the rats are around 5 inches in size, thats a wall the width of queen size bed across. Unless the human has a tank he probably wont get through that. And the wall isn’t compromised by getting shot either because they are just a pile of rats you’re hiding behind anyways doesnt matter if they are alive or dead as long as they not dps role

[@cancerguy5435]

@@_mystic_5653 I mean, this is all correct. However, most US militants come equipped with a hand grenade. I haven't really considered this back then, but now it does appear kind of obvious that pulling a good throw out basically guarantees a kill on the V.I.P.

[@Spookatz.]

@@cancerguy5435 ten THOUSAND rats

[@teddyrichard1488]

3:38 TZ portrays himself as a human, TZ is human main and plays on easymode confirmed!

[@dipperpines5721]

He's been a noob this entire time!

[@angryboi595]

@@dipperpines5721 I mean he’s played very build in his video so he doesn’t only play humans or these videos wouldn’t exist

[@lukeroberson2115]

TierZoo just has multiple save files. He uses the human main one to make use of the intelligence to make videos for others.

[@Pihsrosnec]

Well duh, someone who metagames this hard is bound to pick the most meta build

[@noti7510]

well, the image is posing the question to an average human, so it makes sense that tierzoo would represent itself this way

[@mistermustachiogmc1256]

Hey, TierZoo, are we gonna hear anything about the Chernobyl meta?

[@amberhawksong]

MisterMustachio GMC Agreed

[@jose-ec3co]

MisterMustachio GMC that would be perfect

[@nicolaszan1845]

Indeed. I'm very interested in what his thoughts are on this very very new and recent new meta the devs have chosen to make. It's unique.

[@mikhailbychkov5042]

*cheeky breeky v damke intensifies*

[@rafliavriza3651]

Nah, the devs said that the Chernobyl radiation event is going to last until 20.0 updates left. And we're only in update 2.18. So yeah make the most of it.

[@levferno483]

I’d love to see you do more online puzzles and debates over animals like this.

[@m90e]

I want to see TierZoo’s take on the “who would win: 1 billion lions or 1 of every Pokemon” debate

[@cortster12]

I heard there is a new build on the way that will be on a tier all its own, completely changing the meta. In fact, it may make all other builds obsolete. Do us organic builds need to worry about this upcoming 'AI' build?

[@quandaleman]

Bose-Einstein probably

[@alfredoalfaro5000]

Indeed, if it doesn't get nerfed on time, it could wipe out all of the other builds. I've heard only the human build may stand a chance, but only if it attacks it in its infancy.

[@rutger5000]

Honestly I think it's often underestimated how hard it is to develop the intelligence stat. It easy to over estimate a builds intelligence stat, when it's capable of abilities that you can't master. But that doesn't mean it outclasses you, or is even capable of that. Also keep in mind that it took the devs billions of years to really get the intelligence stat out there, so I don't think the human build will be able to replicate that any time soon. Now you might argue that their method of using evolution points was randomized and slow. But to that I'd counter, that the method we're using is equally randomized. And that the devs were working in a vastly more diversivied environment, that's really beneficial to developing a generalized intelligence. So the only threat I see the AI build may pose for the organics, is that they'll further buff the human build. And seeing as the human build is already breaking the meta, that may very well backfire on them.

[@alfredoalfaro5000]

@@rutger5000 You provide a rather solid argument, however I wouldn't say the efforts done in developing AI are random at all. Not only that but it seems that, unlike organics, it could grow to the point of becoming effectively unnerfable.

[@rutger5000]

+Alfredo Alfaro. Well random is a simplification. But the AI building process does share a lot of features of the evolution mechanic that you find outside. I neither of these processes are truly random, but changes to the build are being made. Without actually knowing what the effects will be, if the change proofs beneficial, then it gets incorperated in new builds. Seriously though. The intelligence stat of AI can only exceed that of human builds in very specific tasks. Tasks that they can only learn as a support class from the humans. There's very little evidence to suggest they could ever develop the general intelligence that would be required to be an independent build. If you look in outsides previous runs. Then you see that every new build has the potential to dominate the server, if things go exactely their way. But usually that doesn't happen. That being said AI will proof to be one of the strongest support classes for the human builds, and they can easily be employed for things that will harm the human build.

[@coletrain3162]

I sort of underestimated how many rats 10,000 rats actually is. That many rats could strip any combination of the others down to the bones in minutes.

[@ascii_9727]

ColeTrain316 I instantly thought it was a no brainer as soon as I saw it, if it was 3000 or 2000 then it would be debatable but 10000 rats is just ridiculous

[@nataliagonzalez1698]

Eagles could easily take them out though

[@meandmetoo8436]

AsCii_ yea, I don't know what the one making it was thinking.

[@catherinevo6060]

ColeTrain316 me too

[@ascii_9727]

Nathan Gonzalez dude its 10.000 rats, that's 200 rats per eagle "easily" is a bit of an overstatement lol

[@Red-in-Green]

I think the main issue with this challenge is the creator having WILDLY underestimated the rats and eagles. Both of those things are A or S tier in certain metas and the truly insane group sizes kind of overwhelm the issue.

[@tmjz7327]

yeah I agree, whoever made it wasn't too bright because 10,000 rats is an absolutely RIDICULOUS number

[@xenotypos]

Still, very bad idea not to take the human, he can still one shot you depending on where he is. I'd take the rats and the human. Rats are the absolute top tier, but placing eagles at the same level seems ridiculous imho. In the video, I also disagree that 15 wolves would be more useful than 4 lions, 4 lions can take care of 15 wolves. I don't even think wolves would even risk attacking something like a crocodile in real life, no matter how many they are, their attacks are pretty weak.

[@tysej4]

@@xenotypos 2 months later but 15 wolves would body 4 lions. Probably not even take anything but minor injuries along the way. As for protecting VS attacking the VIP I am not sure.

[@xenotypos]

@@tysej4 I literally saw a video footage of two male lions beating the crap out of at least 20 hyenas that were attacking them. Weight difference does wonder, and there's 4 of them here.

[@tysej4]

@@xenotypos And Hyena's are not wolves. They have sharper teeth, stronger bite force. But are all smaller, less cordinated, more cowardly. They don't hunt as wolves do. And a Lion's top speed outdoes a wolf. But by that very same metric of mass a wolf with aid could run circles. That's how wolves deal with bigger prey, they bleed them out. I've seen footage of 4-5 wolves taking out bears, great moose and other such. And they didn't even get hit.

[@Cyliem]

This reminds me of rimworld, where you can build your own army of boomrats (a species of rats in that game where they explode if they die) and you just jam them in a room and feed them whatever, let them multiply and let them out once a group of raiders attacks your colony.

[@theodoreyd]

I'm so impressed with your ability to plug your sponsors haha

[@VildhjartaFanGurl]

Right lmao it's like he genuinely cares and is just sharing some inside info hahahahaha

[@camd2610]

David Nomack inside info being a sponsor?

[@luggyiscool]

Theodore Yamada-Dessert the man is smooth

[@MikhaelAhava]

A lot of channels have smooth sponsor transitions some occasionally some usually and sometimes you won’t even notice the sponsor. However there are still non smooth transitions out there.

[@rogerengle2509]

Legit sht...youtube should do away with ads and let people intergrate them into their videos.

[@BusinessCasual]

Rotating team comps when?? Also thanks for the shoutout! :3

[@GigaPhoenix9001]

Hmhm would love more of these team vs analysis. Though I think it would be more ballenced and less obvious if the mice and maybe the birds had less numbers, the Mice at 10,000 would actually reck all the teams, except for the eagles, but even they would get tired and have to take their time.

[@rodigoduterte9192]

Business Casual so, what were you chose? Mine was a human, it can took the other disadvantage ingenuinely

[@user-YuHaoHuang]

first time i see sponsors commenting in the channel

[@TierZoo]

黃宇豪 he's not the sponsor, skillshare is. But he worked with skillshare to make that specific class

[@user-YuHaoHuang]

TierZoo oh ok still pretty cool nonetheless

[@poutinemcflurry3544]

I figured out that eagles had to be the thing you choose the second I realized that none of the animals would be able to stop them from reaching you and attacking you with their talons

[@plasmakitten4261]

This puzzle pretty much comes down to whether the human's weapon is good enough to deal with 50 eagles. If it is, you pick the human; if not, the eagles.

[@joffles6516]

The human could

[@poutinemcflurry3544]

@@joffles6516 Well, if we're going by what was in the picture, the human had a hunting rifle, which could shoot down maybe a small handful of eagles before they got to me, but I highly doubt they could simultaneously kill 50 eagles and fend off all the other animals coming at it, and once the eagles got in between the human and I, every shot would have a risk of hitting me.

[@splatsproing7412]

Yeah - like TZ said, a single eagle would have to get to a human and easily blind it, and then the human would be useless. Eagle team all the way

[@sietsejohannes]

I highly doubt 50 eagles could coordinate well enough to all attack a single target at the same time. Same goes for 200 rats. His S-tier choices are actually F-tier.

[@mattzx003]

0:24 That's not a Golden Eagle, it's a Common Black Hawk. I normally don't nitpick like this but they look completely different

[@SHMOUSEY86]

I feel like this would be a lot more interesting if the human had a flamethrower. It would nerf the human's range by quite a bit, but would also give him a strong aoe attack that doubles as an intimidation debuff against all of the animals on here. It also would serve to make some non-rat builds potentially viable, since rat is way too overpowered in this meta.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

Depending on the scenery a flamethower could prove to be a hazard to your own team as well

[@SHMOUSEY86]

@@M4x_P0w3r depending on the scenery, a gun could be absolutely useless, and the human would essentially become a shittier version of the apes. Gotta assume it's just a field with short grass like he said in the video.

[@khalilbarkallah9998]

If the human had a minigun he'd be unstoppable no matter against who

[@AWOLBones]

@@khalilbarkallah9998 make him extremely slow and still not be able to take out the rat horde? No thanks, in this scenario a flamethrower or bombs would be much more advantageous.

[@SHMOUSEY86]

@@khalilbarkallah9998 not really. At least with the flamethrower the human has a way to keep all of the animals at bay since they all gain an intimidate debuff from nearby flames. With the varying heights and hitboxes of the different animals, the human would probably still get overrun at some point.

[@reiggae]

wait.... when tf did you reach 800k, last time i remember 200k or something

[@yeetyeetbeep]

da fairei broo same😂😂

[@yoissy]

He deserves it though

[@ryant4849]

da fairei you're literally watching a kid who made vids for fun to being able to pay for his entire college tuition in the span of two months. God Bless capitalism

[@tomgerrits2348]

Indeed😂

[@syfilen]

When he got a huge spike in subs by the "Are Humans OP" video which went completely viral.

[@HumanityFirst2]

Humans are low tier Human: * creates tank * Devs : wait a minute I didn’t say you could do that? Human : creates city biome Devs: I don’t like where this is going Human: farms other players Devs: stop!!! Humans: *create nukes* Devs: STOP!!!!!!

[@csweezey18]

@@Victor_Graves A certain flower wants to know your location.

[@bleflar9183]

@@Victor_Graves Dirty human main.

[@puppetmastersasori6490]

Elizabeth sneaky Undertale reference

[@baxheri]

HUMANS GET BANNED

[@carlstan4282]

@@Victor_Graves i think hes refering towards poppy a flower that can be turned into drugs (opium)

[@prussia77]

can't the birds lift me and the hunter and take us away from the rat chaos

[@someonryadayada7349]

Stam limit probs. Like where U gonna go?

[@vitorsousa8871]

a harpia can lift 100 newtons easily

[@Hyurno]

Ok but what if the rats go afk

[@bigfudge2031]

all 10000 of them?

[@brunop.8745]

@@bigfudge2031 DDoS the whole rat server, that's the only way to win

[@PoneryBugsnax]

I heard they run through specific server known as "Cheesewheel" to help with the massive group size frame issue, but any food file completely demolishes the server balance

[@byzantinemapper6145]

AKA sleeping

[@MartairEPIC]

give us english subs pls

[@gcsgamingcommunity4087]

Discuss the urban meta. Obviously it's very human-centric, but other players (usually in lower weight classes) have carved out an interesting niche that's worth discussing. Also, congrats on 800k! You're one of the smartest channels on KZbin, and I plan on seeing you all the way to 1 million.

[@cyborglion4179]

GC's Gaming Community yeah, that would give him a place to discuss ants.

[@0Clewi0]

The crow, the racoon, probably the ones with higer INT of every category so it ends up being a bit boring.

[@slightlygayindianscammer2279]

congrats you've also watched planet earth 2

[@aquamarine23456]

Gonna quit right after like a proper hipster?

[@gcsgamingcommunity4087]

Whangam lmao

[@Torthrodhel]

The correct answer is human + crocodiles. Take gun off human, swap clothes. Run away. Enemies approach, kill human, assume job done. Also: free crocodiles.

[@CavCave]

But what are the crocodiles for?

[@MrKel2485]

@@CavCave FREE crocodiles, you can make boots or bags later...

[@djdragon6567]

i have a better version get human and swap dress and get gun while 10000 rats distract the other animals

[@Superbug-tf8zy]

@@djdragon6567 eagles would get you first tho

[@gliscornumber151]

Or better yet, humans and rats in case plan A fails

[@andrew_might_community_post]

Yeah, but that’s a really big man. Do you see the sun? DO YOU SEE THE TREE?

[@kaylenvee8150]

As I argued with my friend, swarm strategy will ALWAYS win. Even if it's something as small as pigeons, if you have several thousands of them, they can pocket check ANYTHING. That's why insects are so troublesome, it's not that they're especially dangerous or threatening or could kill you instantly, it's that there's too many for you to possibly deal with.

[@jojomaster7675]

Too many to deal with... Just one word: Flamethrower.

[@Redacted_Ruler]

@@jojomaster7675 I thought the same thing

[@the2050th]

@@Redacted_Ruler same even the rats could probably be beaten by a flamethrower

[@goofballjim6167]

@@Redacted_Ruler but we don’t know where we will be fighting. Unless we are in the driest place on earth where dry as hell grass can grown that you ain’t killing 10k rats with a flamethrower. You gonna have to have a car sized gas tank(literally the size of a car) and somehow still be able to move 360 degrees in all directions.

[@hollowtrappedinaelevator320]

@@jojomaster7675 Congratulations! You now have ten thousand flaming feral small things swarming you!

[@scrotiemcboogerballs4419]

You're amazing at transitioning from your content to advertising for a sponsor. Seamlessly smooth

[@drabnail777]

lol, nice fake account.

[@scrotiemcboogerballs4419]

@@drabnail777 I don't follow..

[@BeetleBuns]

the overwhelming force that even 1,000 rats would comprise is terrifying enough, 10,000 is INSANE overkill

[@jeffreygao3956]

One hit means lots of dead rats.

[@Ayedyn]

Rats are the slowest pick on the whole list. Every other animal can outmaneuver them. They are a horrible pick on an open plain. (They would only be good if you were in a forest or urban environment.)

[@BeetleBuns]

@@Ayedyn 10. motherfucking. thousand.

[@Ayedyn]

@@BeetleBuns the objective is not for the attackers to kill every single defender and the human. It's for the attackers to kill the human. Rats have no stopping power against charging bulls or grizzlies. And any large mass of rats can be maneuvered around.

[@BeetleBuns]

@@Ayedyn 10. motherfucking. thousand. maneuver around THAT, bitch.

[@benjaminbaer9712]

Honestly, eagles and rats are the only viable option on most terrains. They would both be impossible to fight, so you need them on your team. The eagles could probably just claw everyone's eyes out, allowing the rats to eat them.

[@jjbarajas5341]

Well that's a good point. Also, horrific.

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

You could just use one rat. *_If it carries the "Black Plague" status, that will kill everything else_*

[@joricklania8627]

As far as I know, only humans are susceptible to bubonic plague, not any of the other animals.

[@dudexyzu9415]

also human mains have the power medicine

[@rulerofeverything4949]

And it's a Posion/Venom class attack, meaning its gonna be a while befor they fall

[@schwarzeseis4031]

@@rulerofeverything4949 If the vip doesn't mind hiding in cover until the sniper dies ... but then again, we might as well twist it so the attackers die of old age...

[@rulerofeverything4949]

@@schwarzeseis4031 yeah

[@hampterland]

How the hell are your sponsorships so smooth, especially since you're a recent KZbinr

[@lilwyvern4]

There's also very little in the way of separation. If this were a TV broadcast, that sort of seamless transition thing wouldn't fly.

[@devin5201]

he specked into the video making skill tree.

[@LatinaCreamQueen]

I love that shit. Funhaus does it really well on Open Haus.

[@aram00001]

because he's smart? some people are good at something from the outset

[@r3dp9]

This channel might be relatively recent, but we know nothing about was his IRL job is, and for all we know he has multiple dead alt accounts on youtube. You'll notice that his sponsorships are of a similar quality and tone of his videos, which is pretty darn good. He no doubt writes and reads the scripts the same way.

[@Yatsuzume]

How about a wasp tier list? There is a lot of diversity to be found between wasp players and their gameplay is quite obscure yet interesting information to newbies. Additionally, some wasp players seem to hard counter humans very well and informing players about their playstyle could teach a lot to both the human meta lovers and human meta haters.

[@d00mprodigy21]

Wasp mains are so shitty. I had a wasp guild attack a human guild for no reason aside from them getting salty over the physics engine destroying their base.

[@vierachuda5241]

Wasp players are wanna be Xenomorph players

[@KittyBoom360]

Wasp also have xenomorph players!

[@tramperlean8502]

Other good thing about picking eagle to accompany rats is that the eagles are the only creatures that can get past the rats unscathed

[@bolt1437]

None of the enemies would be able to kill off every single one of the 10000 rats.

[@JoshuaCooper-ye8lf]

I think the eagles could pick them off slowly

[@JoshuaCooper-ye8lf]

person loves jojo haha true. Let’s say the eagles were extremely hungry, or aggravated. All they have to do is immobilize the rats.

[@halomoment7205]

112358 853211 bruh what can one guy with a gun do against 10,000 rats

[@bolt1437]

@@ericsandrade that's not the point.

[@Misto_deVito6009]

@@JoshuaCooper-ye8lf Assuming the rats dont literally jump the eagles everytime they swoop down XD

[@daluckygit8019]

Dishonored has taught me to never underestimate rats Edit: gawd lotsa likes

[@Catzilla4000]

That, and A Plague Tale.

[@NeonSkyUltd]

Wait till you see Vermintide

[@tigerfun8644]

Same but with the bubonic plague

[@comandantejj7159]

Man like 10 of them could eat a man alive in dishonored

[@LazyHomeSchoolDude]

what about wind waker?

[@TheAfroMenace]

Both sides having one human makes this look like a modern day battle between two different druid circles.

[@vanderkarl3927]

Druid of the Swarm v Druid of the... everything else?

[@OakenTome]

Vander Karl Moon??

[@jeffreygao3956]

Now here's this impossible challenge: -A Huanghetitan -2 Mapusaurus -5 Megalosaurus -3 Shantungosaurus -7 Pentaceratops -20 Hatzegopteryx -13 Camptosaurus -6 Scolosaurus -40,000 Wild turkeys

[@poisonsnake1271]

I love the addition of the RuneScape Grand Exchange when talking about the stock market!

[@dragoelite9963]

poisonsnake12 FiRsT

[@kevinfeng6700]

zulrah's scales are still going up, 243 gp rn

[@nesano4735]

Runescape had some of the best music. It was like WoW music's simplistic cousin.

[@cherrydragon3120]

poisonsnake12 he does alot of runescape in the video's in edit regard. Like hits, area music and health bars and even player texts XD

[@cherrydragon3120]

Nesano that us kinda true. I absolutely loved the dungeon ones. That dungeon place in the wildernis. Idk what it was called again but it was big. Also liked the dungeon of security and safety music alot back when i was like 13

[@alsexc.g]

10,000 rats The whole of Europe: *chuckles im in danger*

[@siyacer]

*half of

[@925263]

@@siyacer It was 90% when it comes to death, and all of Europe was affected.

[@mittens4385]

Roughly 1/3 of England died. Not 90%, that would be crazy. I assume it is around there for most other places, or better.

[@C0KEC00KIEQ]

50% during the height of the pandemic in like a 3-5 year period. But overall the black plague continued for well over a century so 90% is a feasible amount over that time

[@mittens4385]

90% of the population at any one time maybe, but new people would have been born etc. The average life expectancy was about 30-40 back then, so it would have been about 3 separate pieces of people. the overall down to 30% again

[@claycopter]

I got it right! Well simply because I like the bird build most out of anything, eagles are done from the get go. Rats also seemed like a no-brainer considering there are 10k of them. That is gonna destroy any fleets of wild mammals coming at me.

[@holdenroberts6973]

Maybe the bulls would get by. I could see a herd of bulls charging easily across a field of rats, no problem. You'd have to rely on the eagles for both the human hunter and the bulls at minimum.

[@unnamedfellow5044]

actually, rats can bite pretty hard and if you have 200 rats coming for you with the sole purpose of killing you you are screwed. also golden eagles can scare off honey badgers, so that one is a no brainer.

[@WhyName]

Minh Đỗ Lê Thành it's gonna destroy the animals coming for you, but between the bulls and bears you'll probably have died by then. They would just charge right through everything and without any heavy hitters on your side you are pretty much fucked.

[@mrcx6142]

Interesting! I was on two out of rats, eagles and human pretty quickly, but I actually thought we'd have to take the human. But I guess at the end of the day, it also comes down to distance and starting points. Even if the eagles see the human before he sees the MVP, whether they can get there and damage him before he hits his shot is questionable. I think in a long-distance flat environment, the human is still extremely viable. It can deal with any of the larger, lower group size threats on it's own provided the field and the distance is large enough, leaving us only to deal with the one large group we didn't pick. But then I also arrived at the problem - there's no way we can take out 10k rats with only 50 eagles, and there's no way we could shield against 50 eagles for long enough unless the rats understood the situation perfectly and decided to form a meat shield or manage to pull off a combined effort of digging to safety. So that's where I was kinda stuck before watching your video.

[@Hotobu]

Bolt action rifle doesn't necessarily one shot anything on the list (including the human) and it's not going to have 100% accuracy. If everything is aware of its target the human isn't getting off more than a dozen shots (and that's generous), which isn't enough to make a dent in the opposition. The question is less "who do you want on your team" as opposed to "who don't you want on the other." Assuming you take the rats (which is a no brainer) if you select the human that means you have to deal with 50 divebombing eagles. You have no chance. On the contrary, with the human on the other team the Eagles + rats can take down the human. As pictured you're looking at roughly 250 rats per animal on the other team which is MORE than enough to obliterate the competition.

[@godofmath1039]

​@@Hotobu Why not take both the eagles and the human? 10,000 rats is a lot, but each eagle could very easily pick up just one singular rat, fly extremely high, and drop it (or, better yet, eat it). Meanwhile, if you DON'T choose the human, you'll have to worry about getting shot. We have no context about how big the arena is and you surely aren't outrunning a rifle round.

[@The-E-Guy]

@@godofmath1039 because the rats will already kill the vip and there also is another animals

[@justpotatoit]

​@@godofmath1039the eagles would have to take out 200 rats each before they reach the vip, without even considering supporting the human in taking out the other animals. There is no way that an eagle could take out that many rats before 7 charging bulls, 15 wolves, 4 lions, etc. Reach the vip and human. Rats are a must have in any terrain that isn't literal floor is lava (or something equally unfair where only the eagles' ability fly would prevail).

[@godofmath1039]

@@The-E-Guy No, you simpleton. The eagles could very easily lift you and the other human if both of you are light enough and slowly pick off the rats one by one. You're forgetting the fact that eagles can literally crush bone with their grip strength. What's a squishy little rat gonna do against that?

[@anomaly7853]

The rats always immediately appeared to me as the most valuable option. Ten thousand is so much larger than every other group size that it almost seems like a joke.

[@MrLuzakman]

Rats stall while hunter carries

[@The-E-Guy]

@@MrLuzakman nah rats will also kill the animals

[@Ronald1324]

But if bulls, bears, and lions wanted to run through them to get to the person they would easily get past them.

[@MrLuzakman]

@@Ronald1324 Bulls ues, others not so much. 10k is A LOT of rats. Also would depend on prep time (lol)

[@jout738]

@@MrLuzakman You ever seen rats smother and kill bear in group of hundreds. I have not, because they dont do that, when are scared of anything that is bigger, than they themselves are. What weapons even rats have, when they have only mouth for eating small insects, while ants have the sting to hurt you, if you make them mad.

[@lemonad836]

"The Saltwater Crocodile has been thought of as one of the most intelligent and sophisticated of all reptiles. Recent studies have found that crocodiles and their relatives are highly intelligent animals capable of sophisticated behavior such as an advanced parental care and complex communication using sounds" *TierZoo:* 40, take it or leave it.

[@television1088]

The most intelligent of reptiles doesn't mean much!

[@geometryemperor]

I guess that shows how abyssmal is the intelligence of reptiles as a whole.

[@simasimson5798]

@@television1088 it's like being the smartest person in elementary school(teachers excluded). Yeah, it feels nice, but the competition is close to non-existant

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Some spiders, toads and fish have "advanced parental care", I don't really see how that is a reliable indicator of intelligence.

[@johnmoore8627]

Yeah but he fixed their intelligence stat in the newer crocodile video

[@zacx6970]

Well to be fair, during the dark ages patch rats almost entirely lead the whole human player base on europe maps to the extinction. Luckily dev released the Antibiotic patch.

[@tricksor6589]

@Gurlmoo Crabs yeah the rats just got bored and the players finally decided to quarantine themselves

[@guarddoggo]

@@tricksor6589 shouldve killed them while they had the chance. Now humans competely rule the game

[@legendp2011]

@@guarddoggo i think the rat playerbase is doing pretty well thanks to humans. Think about how many rats live in New York

[@gururu1286]

@@guarddoggo human develop their immune system buff. So rat debuff become useless

[@nojuice2080]

lmao this fanbase is amazing

[@porquenadielopidio1913]

I choose the human because of his intelligence Then the human told me that I should choose the rats

[@danerang]

S tier video

[@adamkampen]

I could just imagine someone commanding a gigantic army of rats to swarm and destroy everything like a herd of locusts

[@meandmetoo8436]

Adamk Kampen zerg player in a nutshell.

[@DomenTheChief]

You only need one rat - AdmiralBulldog.

[@kotato]

Dreams about a different earth-bet.

[@afroteddybear]

Have you seen Willard? Either the 1971 or 2003 film. Basically that concept but smaller scale.

[@LUchesi]

That's pretty well the plot to most of the Willard renditions. Even though they mostly just stay in his house.

[@kingofgrim4761]

Bro your Ads are so well included into videos!

[@NakedAvanger]

maybe a bit too good... they're so annoying and i always click away anyway.

[@kingofgrim4761]

Thaye thanks!

[@gorkaaustin5306]

Kingof Grim Ehh, not really, its kinda rough how he transitions.

[@aForkfulOfGold]

Kingof Grin, Awesome response, some people can get really mad over that. Gonna delete my earlier comment.

[@Shnarfbird]

That's a bad thing.

[@OGYouTubeEnjoyer]

I think the 10000 rats could serve as a good distraction for myself and the other dude to shoot everything else

[@Iamonepercent]

Yep, without rules it is over in no time.

[@bk1683]

I think Tierzoo should cover the bacteria class, an overlooked yet powerful class.

[@dr.eckschwein1062]

Brody Krzysiak I dunno. I never really liked them. Basically just a cheesy farming class. Abysmally low stats, boring gameplay and generally frowned upon by most players. Their only redeeming features are their unrivaled reproductive rates which make them so fit for low-effort farming and their low evolution-point cost for upgrades paired with their high evolution point gains from their high reproductive rate. The only ways they can hurt other players are taking up resources they need or poisoning them with their excrements, both of which aren't even actual attacks. In fact most bacterium players actively try to avoid hurting other players as that makes the character's immune system target you, which in many cases will lead to the destruction of your colony. Overall Bacteria are pretty terrible. But if you like them, you do you, I'm not one to judge.

[@bk1683]

Dr. Eckschwein I don't find them the most entertaining, but I would like to see a professional opinion from tierzoo on a class that is often overlooked.

[@MisterMikhail]

One bacteria build was solely responsible for an absolutely massive ban that rendered an entire metabolic playstyle impossible in the overworld. I'm talking about the Oxygen Catastrophe. Their numbers are capable of being harnessed for griefing on an unheard of scale.

[@sandman5587]

Brody Krzysiak thats aids

[@bk1683]

John Sandoval ur aids

[@akba666]

10000 rats also provide an extremely powerful morale break debuff

[@TrueMegaManiac]

Yeah, with one being able to cast fear on humans successfully in many instances, 10000 would multiply that effect tremendously guaranteeing 100% hit chance and increasing duration and amplitude, turning it into a stun effect.

[@RyuuseiBoy]

Not the mention the numerous diseases they tend to carry.

[@gingerbread7985]

honestly, seeing that many rats coming my way would instakill me due to the extremely stacked fear debuff!

[@TrueMegaManiac]

Debuffs wouldn't be given enough time to settle in though since the rat players would have a buffet of exp sooner just by taking out targets with repeating bite attacks.

[@AL-344]

First video I ever subscribed. Last time I watched it was pre-pandemic, and the algorithm randomly recommended it today, December 2024.

[@spyro2002]

Same thing just happened to me. Though I first subscribed from the "are humans op?" video

[@Cherrypizzasquad]

@@spyro2002 same

[@ianwilson9961]

It would be cool if you did a video on various invasive species and what makes them overpowered on other servers.

[@phillipbell4394]

Upvoted

[@lliines]

I like this idea, but I can explain it in one sentence. Invasive species are new to that server, so there are no natural players who are skilled enough to take them down efficiently

[@Sigart]

What you mean is there are no one specifically armed to deal with the specific advantages the invasive species have. Not that there are no skilled players, or you would see a lot more migratory invasive species than there is.

[@lliines]

True. thanks for the feedback

[@ianwilson9961]

@@lliines I agree, but I'd like to see a video on the specific advantages and why those advantages in that server make them OP

[@Tyrene]

Rats was always my first option, especially if they are ferral or blood lusted, then Eagles came later as without a human they are nearly uncounterable, so i thought if either the rats or eagles deal with the human it's a dub it just needs time, Nice to see i picked most optimally

[@Devonlui]

I mean, the only way to win was to choose the rats, any other option would do, even if you chose the gorilas, the rats would still kill everything, and you could just hide behind the gorilas.

[@SSGeorgie]

Rats offer 0 defense against the speed of the other options. Even being completely surrounded by the rats puts you at only a 3 second kill range for a lion.

[@nebei3740]

@@SSGeorgie you clearly dont understand how many 10k is this this amount of rats would easily cover an area of 140m^2 if not more anything that would try getting close to you by ignoring them would get absolutely anihilated

[@SSGeorgie]

@@nebei3740 if they cover 140m^2 they would be roughly 2m apart, making them completely useless because they wouldn't be able to swarm any fast moving animal. On top of that a lion could still make it from one end to the other in 7 seconds while the rats move at a slow 13 kph

[@nebei3740]

@@SSGeorgie whats your math behind that?? I have no idea how youd get there

[@lazywargaming6752]

For anyone wondering. Assuming the animals were spread out evenly. You have 222 rats attacking the human along with 1 eagle with 5 extra eagles left over

[@ELGUAPOIV]

Rats aren't doing shit to a bear

[@hashteraksgage3281]

@@ELGUAPOIV they will literally eat his eyes, ears, nose, genitals, it will be painful for the bear. The bear can stomp and bite all he wants, the rats win.

[@livery955]

@@ELGUAPOIV Rat teeth can shred through concrete and steel, bear hide stands absolutely no chance.

[@mhersi2dude]

dedicate 100 rats to attack a bear and it will literally be dismantled like a lego set

[@VelociraptorWithInternet]

Remember, if your playing in the NYC map, you have extra rats as a buff.

[@smipner]

1:40 not really though, bears, crocodiles, and lions can tank gun fire, and most of the others have about a 50/50 shot of survival, the only ones that it's definitively one shotting are the eagles and the rats, and there are tons of those. The only reason to choose human is the fact that if you don't odds are you're getting sniped.

[@sahandahmad1236]

It's a rifle so they probably are using high quality ammunition like 308 win, rem, 5.56 or 7.62 That's a quite powerful blow

[@LiamYankee]

This isn’t true but ok

[@smipner]

@sahandahmad1236 Fair, I was thinking more shotguns

[@definitelynotaskinwalker]

Nope

[@nothisispatrick4644]

All of my teamates are noobs

[@TDYDYDYEE]

I'll take 10000 noobs. Thank you.

[@NicholasStanley]

No this is Patrick soon, you'll surprass Justin yyyyyyyyyy

[@dewd2623]

Nicholas Stanley yea.. No.

[@heinzharald2429]

you clearly never played dota then, noobs can seriously damage your team there

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

Zerg swarm

[@Alex_Off-Beat]

I always thought 10000 rats is way too many and breaks the challenge. Something like 200-500 rats would be a more balanced option.

[@adrianbozdog9702]

I found a single counter to rats. Pick human for crafting( and to remove enemy sniper) and eagles have the human craft you a small but resistant platform and have the eagles carry that in the sky as well as bring you food/water. If you had complete controll over 50 eagles it is possible( would take like 15 of them to lift u but with a rotation of rest and work it is possible to stay in the air full time) outside of this everything gets swarmed and killed by 10k rats

[@the1exnay]

Adrian Bozdog From what i could find eagles can carry about 4-5 pounds. Assuming 5 pounds per eagle, despite carrying a platform not being what they're best at carrying, then we get 250 pounds which needs to include you and your platform. You also need to fit in this strategy a method to defeat the sniper and a way to defeat the animals that want you dead before they defeat your eagles by harassing them whenever they land and the effects of exhaustion from carrying at max capacity so much.

[@adrianbozdog9702]

@@the1exnay Yeah but then all your eagles get tired my strategy would require somewhere like 20 eagles to do the lifting so that they could then rest and have some swap in. so it doesn't work as 5*20 =100 pounds which is

[@the1exnay]

Adrian Bozdog Oh, didn't realize you preferred metric. So each bird can carry about 2 kilogrammes, so 20*2 is 40 kilograms which is less than the average adult's weight (62 kg). If you're really light and the platform is really light you might be able to get away with 25 eagles at a time, with a combined carry weight of 50 kg. But you'd have to be rather skinny/short and the platform would have to be little more than a bag.

[@dontsubscribetome3262]

@@adrianbozdog9702 it would have to be quite a small platform

[@cdhaupt1]

A perfect example of how terrible humans are with intuition and numbers. Thankfully with Brilliant...

[@asianpersuasion4901]

You got me in the second half, not gonna lie

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

Carpet rat bombing with 50 golden eagles is insane

[@lxjoe96]

Yeah this question actually has an objectively correct answer due to the sheer number of rats and the existence of only one non-ground-based option. pick the eagles to remove them from the attackers' roster, then the TEN THOUSAND rats can absolutely obliterate everything else

[@m5x-77]

yeah the only problem then would be the human sniping you if you’re not careful enough

[@unliving_ball_of_gas]

Even alligators, lions and wolves? And you also gotta consider the man with a shotgun who'd be smart enough to hide and headshot you from faraway.

[@lxjoe96]

@@unliving_ball_of_gas Yes, all of them. This is what I mean, people aren't stopping to actually consider just how huge a group of ten thousand rats would be. And as for the guy with the gun, the idea is to hide behind a wall or rock until he's been dealt with. you're only in trouble if you begin in a wide open area with no cover, and even then you can still attempt to zigzag and make yourself hard to hit

[@sonariantutorials2438]

Yea, also a wall of rats 3 metres tall rampaging through everything in front of them is hard to shoot through, ripping apart grass and trees like a living woodchipper. skeletonizing all the other animals in seconds. Rats can gnaw through concrete. Even the crocodile is screwed.

[@deltaxcd]

@@lxjoe96 As a human you can build or find some rudimentary shelter and hold on almost indefinitely against any animals as long as you have enough ammo you will be able to take out everything

[@schlossgespenst1930]

Wow, just know you for like three days now and already viewed all your videos. Such great content man!

[@chadcuzbad7009]

Uncle Dave dude I was on a road trip and watched all of tier zoo videos in a day like the content is top tier one of my favorite channels

[@MYG]

My teams are always just dps mains.

[@hitlord]

Well, DPS is where the shit is at. Except if you get one-shot.

[@ericgallagher5450]

This

[@mahockey3]

This isn't an overwatch video fyi

[@ViniciusPereira-kl2bv]

Bronze then we are team mates

[@Yordleton]

The overwatch font is used on the very first frame of the video. Of course it's referencing it to an extent

[@MicahMotion]

Hawk 1: there are too many rats, we are the last ones left! Hawk 2: uhh

[@tbcrash101]

I remember a light novel i read that use rats to take down a minotaur in a plausible way, have them overrun the minotaur and try to enter its throat in which it now cant breath and cant take out the rat since more are trying to also run into its mouth. But this only works if you have complete control of the rats like did in the novel.

[@hxjjcddjsghsbs7038]

name?

[@josephpaier2712]

@@hxjjcddjsghsbs7038 lazy dungeon master

[@hahafunnyname]

Yeah what the guy asked

[@josephpaier2712]

@@hahafunnyname lazy dungeon master

[@tl1326]

i love that scene in the manga shit was funny and horrific

[@haval9297]

How about you make your own meme with the same principle? One that's actually balanced and good with tons of room for discussion. The choice on this one is too obvious, we need a harder one.

[@nuancecontraire]

Håvard it’s only ‘obvious’ for the ignorant

[@chineseslavery]

Au Contrairé What do you mean that it's only "obvious" for the ignorant? It is clear that the numbers make the real difference here. A loooooot of difference.

[@CaptainPIanet]

Bruh, 10,000 rats isn't obvious?

[@nuancecontraire]

the rats are not going to hold out against crocs or eagles, and with 10 crocs nothing else could take the crocs out. crocs and eagles is the best choice

[@4nd3rzzon]

FlamingEquinox the eagle's could just pick the rats up and drop them from a distance imagine if one eagle can pick up 10 rats a minute that's 500 rats dead in a minute in 20 minutes all the rats are dead

[@Thetravelingmonke]

I am glad to say that my pick was as smart as TZ since I immediately thought “how can you not pick literally 10,000 rats and the eagle which can attack the human”

[@maximusbjj5298]

I have seen a pack of dogs tear apart lots of rats

[@tb8654]

@@maximusbjj5298 a pack of dogs would be overwhelmed by literally just 300 aggressive rats

[@lonecalzone6901]

@@maximusbjj5298 do you know how big 10000 is

[@maximusbjj5298]

@@lonecalzone6901 yes I do it’s 9999 bigger than 1

[@maximusbjj5298]

@@tb8654 a wolf is bigger and stronger than an average dog and all one wolf would have to do for 300 is take on 20 each if we are still talking about it, now if we look at 10000 we’ll the numbers would get closer to 670 which is highly unlikely for one but I would say near 75 to hundred could be probable seeing as unless the rats pile up they would mainly be at the wolfs feet having to nibble away while the wolf could step or kind of kick them away while biting into some

[@ethribin4188]

10'000 Rats was the number 1 choice anyway. The question was only who the second choice would be.