The Origins of Islamophobia (w/ Peter Oborne) | The Chris Hedges Report

[@tegridyfarms9972]

I thank the universe I found such important voices such as Chomsky and Hedges 15 years ago. They shocked my 30 year old self out of the brainwashing from corporate BS media of the time.

[@What-kw6ox]

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[@sweetaznspice1]

Likewise, also Norman Finkelstein, Michael Hudson and several others.

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

What’s becoming so obvious to people now is that colonialism has never ended just rebranded with different terms. From Natives indigenous people being called “savages” in the old days to now being called “terrorist” by neocolonialists who are neoliberals, neoconservatives, and zionist. 1) Savages is now “terrorist” 2) Civilizing them is now “bringing them democracy” 3) Colonies is now “territories” We can all see Israel is a colonial project being supported by former and current colonials such as U.S, UK, and others who also control territories of indigenous natives in Caribbean Islands, Pacific Islands, Hawaii, and many more. The liberation of Palestine will definitely give RISE to many indigenous natives around the world to free themselves from western domination. This is the underlying ripple effect that the U.S government and its puppet allies don’t want to happen

[@L98fiero]

@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 The current conflicts, I won't call them what they are, I've been restricted by KZbin for that before, are neocon, and the ideology that must not be named, manifestations, the other 90% of the world is seeing the US for what it is, the mask is completely off, if they don't provoke nuclear annihilation, the world will be a better place. Britain is just a yappy little dog pretending it still has relevance in world politics in support of the world hegemon.

[@TheLoveVocal]

totally agree!!! MY MOM always had international politic books and was a prolific reader of regional underground reporting over the years, she had Chris' books and we follwed him for years on media....THANK GOD he's still helping us!! We love you Chris!!!

[@Free-g8r]

Oborne is an honest and moral man. I enjoyed his commentary on the Al Jazeera Lobby documentary showing the smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.

[@TruRedCRIME]

As a Muslim for me its not so much the propaganda its the fools that believe it all. I cover many crimes done by Christian’s or in the name of Christianity and the first thing i do is dismiss it as part of Christian doctrine because I’m not stupid. The gullibility of people astonishes me

[@ranro7371]

Christendom is the empirial religion, born under the auspices of constantine, the subjects were converted at the edge of the sword and rendered into slaves for his majesty, often referring to him as their lord. In Islam such slavery is unthinkable. The only lordship is that of the creator, no station into which man was brought into the lands of Islam was to any degree as bad as the repugnant chattel slavery brought by the primitive tribalism inherent in their texts. Constantine chose regularly to refer to himself as the “servant of God” (famulus dei/therapon tou theou) in official writings. By the fifth century, this metaphor of subordination had been redeployed from theological to political contexts as the subjects of the emperor came to refer to themselves as “slaves of the emperor.” And by the sixth, Justinian insisted all his officials swear an oath that they would demonstrate their service to the emperor “with genuine slavehood” (gnesia douleia).b Building on Paul’s revalorization of the vocabulary of slavery, and particularly the word doulos came to be applied to a variety of hierarchical relationships, even as it also continued to be used specifically of chattel slaves. By the middle Byzantine period, this expansion of the semantic range of the root doul- eventually gave the abstract nominal form douleia, meaning laborer Insofar as everyone who partook in labor was considered to be a participant This epistemological world view is coherent with master-slave dynamic relationship between the head of the state and his subjects, or rather slaves. The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.” Albert describes a massacre occurring, in cold blood, on the second day following the conquest, painting a scene that is as horrific as it is realistic and detailed: "Girls, women, matrons, tormented by fear of imminent death and horror-struck by the violent murder wrapped themselves around the Christians’ bodies in the hope to save their lives, even as the Christians were raving and venting their rage in murder of both sexes. Some threw themselves at their feet, begging them with pitiable weeping and wailing for their lives and safety. When children five or three years old saw the cruel fate of their mothers and fathers, of one accord they stepped up the weeping and pitiable clamour. But they were making these signals for pity and mercy in vain. For the Christians gave over their whole hearts to murder, so that not a suckling little male-child or female, not even an infant of one year would escape the hand of the murderer". Evoking several of these verses in practice: - (Num 31:17-18) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - (Deut 7:2, 9:3, Num 21) thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them... - (Ezek 9:6) Slay utterly old [and] young both maids and little children and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] mark begin at my sanctuary. This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

[@Daniela-s6r]

I believe we all share a Creator.. I'm not entirely sure about anything else other than I'm not a fan of religions. They sow chaos and division. They lead to adversity and wars.

[@ZakirHussain-oz9su]

@daniel Thats stale, a talking point of athiests. Beside the wars, there are so many good things achieved by religions. And the basis of goodness is common across all religions. As a muslim i believ the root of all goodness is common is except in other religions they have been mislead and thus human ego plays a major part to establish what they follow. If u believe in a creator, is it not fundamental to understand what is expected of you by the creator. It wd do u good to ponder on what u ack as creator...

[@ranro7371]

Surah Al-Imran Aya 49, of the Quran states that jesus was sent to the israelites, although written over 1,300 years ago in the 19th century (same century bible was only transtalted into Arabic in as well) they came to the same conclusion, He never used or heard the words Christian or Christianity or any equivalent of either. Paul had neither met nor seen Jesus, his relation to the twelve apostles was one of decided independence and even of opposition. He acknowledged no subordination to them. He addressed no doctrinal epistle to them or their churches, and received none from them. He made no reports to them. He did not correspond with them regularly. They never invited him to preach to their congregations and he never invited them to address his converts. He declared that he did not owe his conversion, his baptism, or his doctrine to the twelve, and that he never spent any long time in Jerusalem or in Judea as a Christian missionary. He claimed to be an apostle by a secret divine commission, but the twelve never admitted the validity of his claim. They never gave him the title of apostle; they never said anything indicative of willingness to admit him into their councils. Vacancies occurred in their number, but they never chose him to a vacant place, rather we have statements of Peter with regards to Paul which show nothing but animosity: "And if our Jesus appeared to you also and became known in a vision and met you as angry with an enemy [recall: Paul had his vision while still persecuting the Christians: Acts 9], yet he has spoken only through visions and dreams or through external revelations. But can anyone be made competent to teach through a vision? And if your opinion is that that is possible, why then did our teacher spend a whole year with us who were awake? How can we believe you even if he has appeared to you?… But if you were visited by him for the space of an hour and were instructed by him and thereby have become an apostle, then proclaim his words, expound what he has taught, be a friend to his apostles and do not contend with me, who am his confidant; for you have in hostility withstood me, who am a firm rock, the foundation stone of the Church" -Homily 17 Section XIX On the pauline credo currently called trinitanity Peter said "For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my lawful preaching and have preferred a lawless and absurd doctrine to the man who is my enemy. And indeed some have attempted, while I am still alive, to distort my words by interpretations of many sorts, as if I taught the dissolution of the law… But that may God forbid ! For to do such a thing means to act contrary to the Law of God which was made to Moses and was confirmed by our Lord in its everlasting continuance. For he said, “The heaven and the earth will pass away, but not one jot or one tittle shall pass away from the Law.” -Letter of Peter to James, 2.3-5 Soon after Jesus had selected his twelve apostles, according to Luke, he " gave them power and authority over all devils and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. And he said unto them: 'Take nothing for your journey, neither staves nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. And whatsoever house ye enter, there abide and thence depart. And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them." This is the entire charge of Jesus to his apostles when he sent them out to convert the world, as reported by Luke, who claims to give the address or a portion of it, and that presumably the most important portion, word for word. The language here attributed to Jesus conveys no idea that he had any purpose of founding a new church. Neither here nor anywhere else, in the language attributed to him in the New Testament, does he explain the phrase " the kingdom of God " to mean a new ecclesiastical organization. In several passages he does use it to signify the celestial dominion after the destruction of the world; and this is therefore presumably its meaning everywhere. The gospel of Matthew is much further than that of Luke in its report of the charge of Jesus to his apostles: "These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying: 'Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not; but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.", "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I am come not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward." This charge, as reported by Matthew omitted nearly all the main ideas that would have been appropriate in an address instructing the twelve to preach the foundation of Christianity. It does not say whether Jesus wished to reform or to supersede Judaism; whether his principal purpose was ecclesiastical, moral, political, or sanitary. The remarks about healing the sick and casting out devils is the most explicit of all the instructions. Certainly no reader can learn from that charge that Jesus intended to establish a new religion; and much less can he learn any feature of the faith or discipline of a projected new church. And this address is that portion of the New Testament where such information should be given most clearly. He made no doctrinal definition and no ecclesiastical organization. He did not use the key words of the original doctrines necessary to Christianity or a new church, nor the keywords of ideas afterwards associated with Christianity, such as Incarnation, Trinity, Immaculate Conception, and Transubstantiation. The subjects to which the most space or most prominence is given in the sayings attributed, in the gospels, to Jesus, are, First, the Mosaic law; Second, judgment day; Third, faith; Fourth, the sins of the Pharisees; Fifth, ascetic morality; and Sixth, his divine commission. Triune nonsense is straight out of the Roman Pantheon. Hercules, anyone? Cerberus? The trinity of Zeus, Athena Apollo, literally called the Triune. Greek goddess Hecate was portrayed in triplicate, a three-in-one. This was all done to make the creed more digestible, followed by mental gymnastics attempting to reconcile the onsensical with elaborate theories. Why doesn't a square peg fit into a round hole? Answer by saying it's a mystery instead of geometries not lining up. No such thing as the bible, the new testament is a concoction of several books that were deemed canonical, books written in Greek that were given the hellenized names of Apotsles who neither wrote, nor spoke greek to give it an illusion of antiquity, much like the calendar we have today, which was established in the year 535 CE by Dionysus Exegesis so too was the original message altered to that of the pauline credo, a digestible religion to the yet to be converted greeks who had no desire to follow the mosaic laws. There never was such another epidemic of ecclesiastical forgery. The church was flooded with books attributed falsely to apostolic times and authors. The names of many of these books, and the texts of some, are preserved. Distinguished saints and learned fathers of the faith openly commended the invention and acceptance of false- hoods designed to aid the conversion of the world to what they believed to be truth. None of the disciples spoke of trinity, ate pork or proclaimed it is allowable to do so, yet the miracle begotten paul, whom peter called him enemy, introduced his new creed according to his whims It proclaimed the abrogation of the Mosaic ceremonial law. It announced itself as a new and independent religion; calling its adherents Christians, and their doctrine Christianity. Rationality was only born with Islam, those who cannot count have nothing to say, at the end of the day 1+1+1 will never equal 1 God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

[@ranro7371]

The Aramaic word for God is "Alaha" too sounds familiar? It is the word "jesus" used. Written without the confusing vowels in the English transliteration, it is A-L-H ܐ ܠܗܐ (alap-lamed-he) as found in Targum or in Tanakh (Daniel, Ezra), Syriac Aramaic (Peshitta), reduced from the Arabic original (of which Aramaic is a dialect continuum as will be explained) it is written in the Arabic script 'A-L-L-H' (Aleph-Lam-Lam-Ha) add an A before the last H for vocalization. The word God in another rendition in Hebrew ʾĕlōah is derived from a base ʾilāh, an Arabic word, written without confusing vowel it is A-L-H in the Arabic script, pronounced ilah not eloah. Hebrew dropped the glottal stop and mumbled it, aramic mumbled a little less and it became elaha. Infact both are written written A-L-H in Arabic, it is pronounced i in Arabic and not A because it is an Alef with hamza below (إ أ ) They are two different forms of Alef. And it mean "a god", it is the non definitive form of A-L-L-H, in which the Alef is without a glottal stop/hamza,(ا), but this kind of nuance is lost in the dialect continua. infact "YHWH" itself is an Arabic word as discussed by Professor. Israel Knohl (Professor of Biblical studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem) in the paper" YHWH: The Original Arabic Meaning of the Name." jesus as his name is often misspelled due to the lack of the ayin sound in Greek, which was rendered to Iesous, coupling the nearest sound to ayin, same letter found in 'Iraq', which sounds entirely different in Arabic form 'Iran' in Arabic, with the -ous Greek suffix that Greeks typically add to their names 'HerodotOS', 'PlotinUS', 'AchelOUS' and later mumbled into a J. The yeshua rendition of Isa (his name in the Qur'an) PBUH which is purported to be the name of Jesus is KNOWN to had been taken from greek. Western Syriac also use "Isho". Western Aramaic (separate from Syriac which is a dialect of Eastern Aramaic) use "Yeshu". Western Syriac has been separate from Western Aramaic for about 1000 years. And sounds don't even match up. Syriac is a Christian liturgical language yet the four letters of the name of Jesus «ܝܫܘܥ» [ = Judeo-Babylonian Aramaic: «ישוע» ] sounds totally different in West vs East Syriac, viz. vocalized akin to Christian Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic «ܝܶܫܽܘܥ» (Yēšūʿ) in West Syriac, but pronounced more akin to Muslim Arabic Quran character name Isa in East Syriac «ܝܑܼܫܘܿܥ» (ʾĪšōʿ). The reason for this confusion is their dropping of phonemes. Only someone that has no idea what the letters are or how they sound would have a name ending in a pharyngeal fricative like the ayin, if it were to be used in a name it would have had to be in the beginning, thus the Arabic rendition is the correct one. An example in English is how the appended -d is a common error amongst the English pronouncing Gaelic names. The name Donald arose from a common English mispronunciation of the Gaelic name Donal. Just how it is with donal becoming donald and the two becoming distinct and the original being regarded as something seperate so too did Isa PBUH turn to Iesous turn to jesus and when they tried going back to the original they confused it for yeshua ( ysu is how it is actually written) for Isa PBUH ( 3'eysah ) Schlözer in his preparation for the Arabia expedition in 1781 coined the term Semitic language: "From the Mediterranean to the Euphrates, from Mesopotamia to Arabia ruled one language, as is well known. Thus Syrians, Babylonians, Hebrews, and Arabs were one people (ein Volk). Phoenicians (Hamites) also spoke this language, which I would like to call the Semitic (die Semitische)." -Before Boas: The Genesis of Ethnography and Ethnology in the German By Han F. Vermeulen. He was only half right though, Arabic is the only corollary to "proto-semitic", infact the whole semitic classification is nonsensical as will be shown. "protosemetic" Alphabet (28), Arabic Alphabet (28), Latin transliteration, hebrew (22) 𐩠 𐩡 𐩢 𐩣 𐩤 𐩥 𐩦 𐩧 𐩨 𐩩 𐩪 𐩫 𐩬 𐩭 𐩮 𐩰 𐩱 𐩲 𐩳 𐩴 𐩵 𐩶 𐩷 𐩸 𐩹 𐩺 𐩻 𐩼 ا ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ك ل م ن ه و ي A b t ṯ j h kh d ḏ r z s sh ṣ ḍ ṭ ẓ ʿ ġ f q k l m n h w y א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י כ ל מ נ ס ע פ צ ק ר ש ת Merged phonemes in hebrew and aramaic: ح, خ (h, kh) merged into only kh ( ח )consonant remain س, ش ,ث (s, sh, th) merged into only Shin ( שׁ ) consonant remaining ت, ط (Taw, Teth) merged into a voiceless alveolar /t/ ( ת ) consonant remaining ص, ض, ظ (ṱ , ṣ, ḍ/Tsad ) merged into only ḍ/Tsad ( צ ) consonant remaining ع, غ (3ayn, Ghayn) merged into a reducted ayin ( ע )consonant remaining ز, ذ ( ð, z) merged into only ( ז ) consonant remaining ب ( b ) reducted into v ( ב ) The reason why the protoS alphabet here is 28 and not 29, is because the supposed extra letter is simply a س written in a different position, but it was shoehorned to obfuscated. In Arabic letter shapes are different depending on whether they are in the beginning , middle or end of a word. As a matter of fact, all of the knowledge needed for deciphering ancient texts and their complexity was derived from the Qur'an. It was by analyzing the syntactic structure of the Qur'an that the Arabic root system was developed. This system was first attested to in Kitab Al-Ayin, the first intralanguage dictionary of its kind, which preceded the Oxford English dictionary by 800 years. It was through this development that the concept of Arabic roots was established and later co-opted into the term 'semitic root,' allowing the decipherment of ancient scripts. In essence, they quite literally copied and pasted the entirety of the Arabic root. Hebrew had been dead, as well as all the other dialects of Arabic, until being 'revived' in a Frankensteinian fashion in the 18th and 19th centuries. The entire region spoke basically the same language, with mumbled dialect continuums spread about, and Arabic is the oldest form from which all these dialects branched off. As time passed, the language gradually became more degenerate, Language; When one looks at the actual linguistics, one will find that many were puzzled by the opposite, that is, how the other "semetic" languages were more "evolved" than Arabic, while Arabic had archaic features, not only archaic compared to bibilical Hebrew, Ethiopic, "Aramaic" contemporary "semetic" languages, but even archaic compared to languages from ancient antiquity; Ugaritic, Akkadain. What is meant here by Archaic is not what most readers think, it is Archaic not in the sense that it is simple, but rather that it is complex (think Latin to pig Latin or Italian or Old English, which had genders and case endings to modern English), not only grammatically, but also phonetically; All the so called semitic languages are supposed to have evolved from protosemetic, the Alphabet for protosemitic is that of the so called Ancient South Arabian (which interestingly corresponds with the traditional Arabic origins account) and has 28 Phonemes. Arabic has 28 phonemes. Hebrew has 22, same as Aramaic, and other "semitic" languages. Now pause for a second and think about it, how come Arabic, a language that is supposed to have come so late has the same number of letters as a language that supposedly predates it by over a millennium (Musnad script ~1300 BCE). Not only is the glossary of phonemes more diverse than any other semitic language, but the grammar is more complex, containing more cases and retains what's linguists noted for its antiquity, broken plurals. Indeed, a linguist has once noted that if one were to take everything we know about languages and how they develop, Arabic is older than Akkadian (~2500 BCE). And then the Qur'an appeared with the oldest possible form of the language thousands of years later. This is why the Arabs of that time were challenged to produce 10 similar verses, and they couldn't. People think it's a miracle because they couldn't do it, but I think the miracle is the language itself. They had never spoken Arabic, nor has any other language before or since had this mathematical precision. And when I say mathematical, I quite literally mean mathematical. Now how is it that the Qur'an came thousands of years later in an alphabet that had never been recorded before, and in the highest form the language had ever taken? The creator is neither bound by time nor space, therefore the names are uttered as they truly were, in a language that is lexically, syntactically, phonemically, and semantically older than the oldest recorded writing. In fact, that writing appears to have been a simplified version of it. Not only that, but it would be the equivalent of the greatest works of any particular language all appearing in one book, in a perfect script and in the highest form the language could ever take. It is so high in fact, that it had yet to be surpassed despite the fact that over the last millennium the collection of Arabic manuscripts when compared on word-per-word basis in Western Museums alone, when they are compared with the collected Greek and Latin manuscripts combined, the latter does not constitute 1 percent of the former as per German professor Frank Griffel, in addition all in a script that had never been recorded before. Thus, the enlightenment of mankind from barbarism and savagery began, and the age of reason and rationality was born from its study. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

[@cosmic7748]

Two honorable men❤

[@cheesecoole]

Chris Hedges, I live in south Africa. Thank you for all your work and your dedication to global justice. It is appreciated 🇿🇦

[@katyharries2526]

Me too. Agreed.🇿🇦

[@craftspaces4475]

Edward Said, long time ago, in his book Orientalism, norrowed down the cause behind all those conflicts and wars between the East nd the West to the constant Christians fear of Islam expansion. We are blessed to have Oborne and Hedges in journalism.

[@aaronw6586]

Chris I just want to thank you for your courage and your work. I grew up as a student of Chomsky and I remembered your name and your work from the Times when I was in college. I’ve been following your lectures almost constantly since Oct 7 and I can’t thank you enough. You’ve called for revolution and I have heard that call. Here’s to a better world. ~ Aaron Canada

[@Annissa-dv6kc]

A beautiful message with sentiments many of us share. 💚🌿🕊️

[@pnvidusa]

In every multicultural community, Muslims are peaceful until they become the majority through accelerated reproduction, and then they terrorize non-Muslims, because they are commanded to do so in the Koran. What you are talking about is the propaganda of Islam.

[@elleonken7599]

It's unreal how Islam is blamed for people's laziness and stupidity. - The Muslim countries that are in constant wars and conflicts, who is behind those wars and benefiting from that? - The "terrorists" that are behind bombings in Western countries, again, who is backing them and benefiting? Simple 'follow the money' questions that should make it clear that Islam is innocent from all these atrocities.

[@marziaball5089]

People are realizing that the world has a valine and it is not Islam and Muslims.

[@rebellerevelle]

Yes, and religious extremists were a direct reaction to the West and Russia trying to control middle eastern resources, impose puppet leaders, and many were funded and armed by the West to fight against Russia. Sectarian violence wasn't prevalent until then.

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

Then why are 75% of crimes in Europe done by muslims? 85% of rapes?and it was sky rocketed by the flood of immigrants. Look it up on Euro stat.

[@georgefitzhugh5408]

You are joking, right? Do you really believe Muslims have no agency in their behavior? The same question could be asked about Negroes.

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

Exactly! What’s becoming so obvious to people now is that colonialism has never ended just rebranded with different terms. From Natives indigenous people being called “savages” in the old days to now being called “terrorist” by neocolonialists who are neoliberals, neoconservatives, and zionist. 1) Savages is now “terrorist” 2) Civilizing them is now “bringing them democracy” 3) Colonies is now “territories” We can all see Israel is a colonial project being supported by former and current colonials such as U.S, UK, and others who also control territories of indigenous natives in Caribbean Islands, Pacific Islands, Hawaii, and many more. The liberation of Palestine will definitely give RISE to many indigenous natives around the world to free themselves from western domination. This is the underlying ripple effect that the U.S government and its puppet allies don’t want to happen

[@ctkategman]

Happy birthday Chris thanks for all the tremendous work and the education you have given all of us. We are blessed to have you in these trouble times.

[@lyndamonchak4072]

Happy birthday Chris! I always learn so much from your books and videos

[@vampireducks1622]

Thank you, Messrs Hedges and Oborne, for shining a light on this very important subject. I don't believe there's any prospect of the West ever recovering its moral health and sanity without treating this particular sickness at its core, among other things.

[@kateoneal4215]

Very well noted!

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

After everything I've been through so far I can justly testify publicly that I do not like the united states of America, I dont feel good , I feel robbed

[@gnostic268]

The U.S. robbed Indigenous/Native people and their lands using a Calvinistic (John Calvin was a Scottish Protestant nutcase) religious philosopher and the Catholic Church's Doctrine of Discovery. The Romans made up Christianity as a tool for Imperialism in order to subdue pagan traditional beliefs in countries they conquered. The West even turned against the Eastern Orthodox Christians to make themselves seen as the true Church. They smear Jewish people, Muslims and all other religions as uncivilized when their religious tyranny has committed some of the worst atrocities of any religion.

[@brianeverill3537]

​@@mdgprogrammer The US only "likes", material, not people? People are simply another commodity for the plutocratic class that runs the United States of Hypocrisy.

[@CaoimhinOMaol]

Excellent interview/discussion, thank you both.

[@pippasmyth]

So important to have these sorts of discussions to counter the propaganda of the mainstream media. Thank you!

[@waelabdallah4272]

Thank you for your great work for the truth, Justice and freedom of all

[@marycooper8385]

Two men of honor who seek justice and the truth Thank you Chris

[@margaretcampbell2681]

Mr Oborne is very reductionist and everyone else is racist except him. HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SO

[@beth1979]

Thank you Chris Hedges for this.

[@fellowcitizen]

I was very impressed by Peter Obourne's contributions to THE LOBBY (UK) 2017 Al-Jazeera Clayton Swisher documentary, so I'm looking forward to listening to him.

[@EmploiEmploi-h7m]

Happy Birthday Mr. Chris Hedges. May Allah bless you with good health, and a long life. You taught and inspired millions of us in the global south. We cannot thank you enough… Bless you…

[@MR-sv2um]

Hedges is one of the BEST! You’d make a GREAT LEADER OF A NATION!, if a “great nation” is a desire of its citizens.

[@margaretcampbell2681]

Yes Chris is excellent

[@nicholasaridi9810]

Thank you for this honest report on the roots of prejudice against Muslims in the middle east.!

[@Teshub]

Love Peter Oborne. I was unaware of the book, but now I look forward to reading it.

[@JasonCunliffe]

Peter Oborne

[@Teshub]

@@JasonCunliffe Fixed! As a frequent consumer of Double Down News, my brain always inserts the 's' to his name! Thank you for bringing that to my attention! LOL

[@fabiengerard8142]

@@Teshub😉

[@kateoneal4215]

Shahid Bolsen, an American scholar who converted to Islam, has an excellent channel called MIDDLE NATION. His talks are short, succinct and brilliant. In fact, I listened to his talk on western barbarism- a breath of fresh air- and ordered two books on Islam because of it this morning. That's MIDDLE NATION.

[@TheMuslimsarecoming]

The Muslim Sceptic destroys Shahids' back story and exposes him as a disinformation puppet of the gulf.

[@human498]

He makes traditional British Conservatism sound like what I've heard called "polite imperialism".

[@katyharries2526]

Happy birthday Chris Hedges 🎂

[@MultiMshell]

I absolutely adored your book, 'The Fate of Abraham', Peter. It answered so many questions I had that had remained unresolved in my mind. Thank you Chris for speaking with Peter, you are both heroes of mine.

[@ciara5867]

Brilliant interview Chris + Peter. ♥️👍

[@ahsenzafar8037]

Free Palestine

[@MYTAccount]

*Two of the greatest truth teller journalists!* 👏👏👏

[@zantecarroll4448]

what wonderful , brave truth seekers ..love peter oborne and chris hedges❤

[@michaeldebuque7092]

This was some of your best interviews Chris. Truly well done.

[@JuliusGalacki]

I like that Chris politely pushed back - with facts - on some of his avoidances. Oborne can't quite take the next step. He's close but then has blind spots about British conservatism and imperialism.

[@MoElrawi]

Thank you Chris and Peter , true hero’s , voices for justice , exposing the complicity of main stream media and our government in atrocities around the world

[@maryamsukaynah559]

What a wonderfully straight forward discussion. 🙏 both. My prayers for you 2❤

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

What’s becoming so obvious to people now is that colonialism has never ended just rebranded with different terms. From Natives indigenous people being called “savages” in the old days to now being called “terrorist” by neocolonialists who are neoliberals, neoconservatives, and zionist. 1) Savages is now “terrorist” 2) Civilizing them is now “bringing them democracy” 3) Colonies is now “territories” We can all see Israel is a colonial project being supported by former and current colonials such as U.S, UK, and others who also control territories of indigenous natives in Caribbean Islands, Pacific Islands, Hawaii, and many more. The liberation of Palestine will definitely give RISE to many indigenous natives around the world to free themselves from western domination. This is the underlying ripple effect that the U.S government and its puppet allies don’t want to happen

[@azmasalman9396]

Respect for you Chris Hedges !

[@ALLEAVEN]

Such great comments thank you

[@rehanaflowerinjannah4499]

"As a writer, Blyden is regarded widely as the "Father of Pan-Africanism". His major work, "Christianity, Islam and the Negro Race" (1887), promoted the idea that practicing Islam was more unifying and fulfilling for Africans than Christianity. He argues that Christianity was introduced chiefly by European colonizers. He believed it had a demoralizing effect, although he continued to be a Christian. He thought Islam was more authentically African, as it had been brought to sub-Saharan areas by people from North Africa. His book was controversial in Great Britain, both for its subject and because many people at first did not believe that a black African had written it." Edward Wilmot Blyden, author of "Christianity, Islam and the Negro Race".

[@ranro7371]

Surah Al-Imran Aya 49, of the Quran states that jesus was sent to the israelites, although written over 1,300 years ago in the 19th century (same century bible was only transtalted into Arabic in as well) they came to the same conclusion, He never used or heard the words Christian or Christianity or any equivalent of either. Paul had neither met nor seen Jesus, his relation to the twelve apostles was one of decided independence and even of opposition. He acknowledged no subordination to them. He addressed no doctrinal epistle to them or their churches, and received none from them. He made no reports to them. He did not correspond with them regularly. They never invited him to preach to their congregations and he never invited them to address his converts. He declared that he did not owe his conversion, his baptism, or his doctrine to the twelve, and that he never spent any long time in Jerusalem or in Judea as a Christian missionary. He claimed to be an apostle by a secret divine commission, but the twelve never admitted the validity of his claim. They never gave him the title of apostle; they never said anything indicative of willingness to admit him into their councils. Vacancies occurred in their number, but they never chose him to a vacant place, rather we have statements of Peter with regards to Paul which show nothing but animosity: "And if our Jesus appeared to you also and became known in a vision and met you as angry with an enemy [recall: Paul had his vision while still persecuting the Christians: Acts 9], yet he has spoken only through visions and dreams or through external revelations. But can anyone be made competent to teach through a vision? And if your opinion is that that is possible, why then did our teacher spend a whole year with us who were awake? How can we believe you even if he has appeared to you?… But if you were visited by him for the space of an hour and were instructed by him and thereby have become an apostle, then proclaim his words, expound what he has taught, be a friend to his apostles and do not contend with me, who am his confidant; for you have in hostility withstood me, who am a firm rock, the foundation stone of the Church" -Homily 17 Section XIX On the pauline credo currently called trinitanity Peter said "For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my lawful preaching and have preferred a lawless and absurd doctrine to the man who is my enemy. And indeed some have attempted, while I am still alive, to distort my words by interpretations of many sorts, as if I taught the dissolution of the law… But that may God forbid ! For to do such a thing means to act contrary to the Law of God which was made to Moses and was confirmed by our Lord in its everlasting continuance. For he said, “The heaven and the earth will pass away, but not one jot or one tittle shall pass away from the Law.” -Letter of Peter to James, 2.3-5 Soon after Jesus had selected his twelve apostles, according to Luke, he " gave them power and authority over all devils and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. And he said unto them: 'Take nothing for your journey, neither staves nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. And whatsoever house ye enter, there abide and thence depart. And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them." This is the entire charge of Jesus to his apostles when he sent them out to convert the world, as reported by Luke, who claims to give the address or a portion of it, and that presumably the most important portion, word for word. The language here attributed to Jesus conveys no idea that he had any purpose of founding a new church. Neither here nor anywhere else, in the language attributed to him in the New Testament, does he explain the phrase " the kingdom of God " to mean a new ecclesiastical organization. In several passages he does use it to signify the celestial dominion after the destruction of the world; and this is therefore presumably its meaning everywhere. The gospel of Matthew is much further than that of Luke in its report of the charge of Jesus to his apostles: "These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying: 'Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not; but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.", "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I am come not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother... He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward." This charge, as reported by Matthew omitted nearly all the main ideas that would have been appropriate in an address instructing the twelve to preach the foundation of Christianity. It does not say whether Jesus wished to reform or to supersede Judaism; whether his principal purpose was ecclesiastical, moral, political, or sanitary. The remarks about healing the sick and casting out devils is the most explicit of all the instructions. Certainly no reader can learn from that charge that Jesus intended to establish a new religion; and much less can he learn any feature of the faith or discipline of a projected new church. And this address is that portion of the New Testament where such information should be given most clearly. He made no doctrinal definition and no ecclesiastical organization. He did not use the key words of the original doctrines necessary to Christianity or a new church, nor the keywords of ideas afterwards associated with Christianity, such as Incarnation, Trinity, Immaculate Conception, and Transubstantiation. The subjects to which the most space or most prominence is given in the sayings attributed, in the gospels, to Jesus, are, First, the Mosaic law; Second, judgment day; Third, faith; Fourth, the sins of the Pharisees; Fifth, ascetic morality; and Sixth, his divine commission. Triune nonsense is straight out of the Roman Pantheon. Hercules, anyone? Cerberus? The trinity of Zeus, Athena Apollo, literally called the Triune. Greek goddess Hecate was portrayed in triplicate, a three-in-one. This was all done to make the creed more digestible, followed by mental gymnastics attempting to reconcile the onsensical with elaborate theories. Why doesn't a square peg fit into a round hole? Answer by saying it's a mystery instead of geometries not lining up. No such thing as the bible, the new testament is a concoction of several books that were deemed canonical, books written in Greek that were given the hellenized names of Apotsles who neither wrote, nor spoke greek to give it an illusion of antiquity, much like the calendar we have today, which was established in the year 535 CE by Dionysus Exegesis so too was the original message altered to that of the pauline credo, a digestible religion to the yet to be converted greeks who had no desire to follow the mosaic laws. There never was such another epidemic of ecclesiastical forgery. The church was flooded with books attributed falsely to apostolic times and authors. The names of many of these books, and the texts of some, are preserved. Distinguished saints and learned fathers of the faith openly commended the invention and acceptance of false- hoods designed to aid the conversion of the world to what they believed to be truth. None of the disciples spoke of trinity, ate pork or proclaimed it is allowable to do so, yet the miracle begotten paul, whom peter called him enemy, introduced his new creed according to his whims It proclaimed the abrogation of the Mosaic ceremonial law. It announced itself as a new and independent religion; calling its adherents Christians, and their doctrine Christianity. Rationality was only born with Islam, those who cannot count have nothing to say, at the end of the day 1+1+1 will never equal 1 God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

[@nailadr]

Excellent! Thank you Chris

[@le2382]

Thank you for introducing me to so many interesting new books, I’ve created a reading list based on your videos!

[@NV_Out-of-Place]

Very interesting and enlightening interview and conversation. Thanks Chris.

[@danclyne130]

I loved Oborne's work, "The Fate of Abraham" and was so glad to see these kindred souls having a discussion.

[@marycooper8385]

Happy happy Birtday Chris Hrdges !

[@lilithmartin4171]

Chris, a lot of us depends on you to keep us sane. 🙏

[@hazelwray4184]

'depend on you'...

[@staticcouch135]

I would have listened to another hour of this. It was a fascinating discussion, and I am hoping the book will be even more fascinating, thank you Chris and Peter for this dialogue.

[@walidalyasi9497]

Thank you for everything and your courage

[@fd3652]

Let's support Peter Oborne and buy his book

[@patriciamayborne2858]

I’m so glad Peter says he is happier being a journalist of integrity rather than a forelock-tugger 😅

[@basmakhan6938]

Salute to both of you!!

[@commraiders5]

Conservative people are so defensive

[@StateOfPurgatory]

Well said Algeria and many other colonies under French fascist system

[@mjtonyfire]

Brilliant interview, thank you for your insights gents

[@Inceptions661]

Hugs & thanks from Costa Rica ❤

[@kymberlycutter5296]

Thank you ❤❤❤❤

[@TripleRoux]

Thank you both. It's conversations like these that keep me sane-ish.

[@vandannski]

This is a heavy topic.

[@calicocat8213]

One should remember, however, that Muslims are not an ethnic group - there are some 250 millions Muslims inhabiting the island of the Indonesian Archipelago (Bali being an exception), Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim country as well.

[@brianwheeldon4643]

A top interview allowing Peter Oborne to speak in his own inimitable manner. Very interesting and educational from a cultural perspective. Thanks Chris

[@swansonchoo]

Another great show. Thank you.

[@WilliamKelly-ou2nm]

Great show gentlemen.

[@alexhidel3732]

I love and respect Chris Hedges as much as I love and respect Richard Dawkins.

[@MohamedAbdallahSaid]

Thanks Chris Hedges

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Thank you.

[@turkrane12]

Sick of the endless rethoric just look out the window and puke

[@isiahramlakhan6256]

You are so right God bless you for telling the truth ❤❤❤❤❤

[@sarachiba6012]

Thank You 🌸🌷🌺🍃

[@808cr8]

Thank you ❤

[@kennickel878]

Christian zionism doesn't just fail to make sense to people educated in science...it makes no sense to people educated in the old testament. Israel WAS a covenant community but, by Ezekiel 33 that covenant has come to an end.

[@kennickel878]

Benign? The brits starved upwards of 100,000,000 to death in India between the 1880's and 1920. Life expectancy, always terrible in British colonies, fell from 26.7 years to 21.9 during that period. Benign indeed.

[@kennickel878]

Gay and British in the post colonial period? Like Alan Turing who killed himself after being chemically castrated by law in Britain and he was a war hero otherwise they'd have gotten out a set of shears and done it the much more common way. Good lord this man's a rank apologist for British atrocities.

[@calicocat8213]

​@@kennickel878Noticed Mr. Oborne, despite his obvious intellect and knowledge, has a stubborn, positive bias where his homeland is concerned.

[@kennickel878]

@@calicocat8213 I hope I didn't come off as hostile or dismissive. The gentleman is clearly educated and well spoken. In all I enjoyed the interview. I suppose I saw his snazzy rose colored glasses and my propensity for envy and wanton destruction got the better of me. My own social conditioning isn't very pretty. Apologies for my lack of manners and many thanks for your time.

[@RandEAdu2023]

Ok theologian. You obviously don't know anything about the new covenant and the remnant of Israel and the promise to save a bulk of Israel at the return of Messiah.

[@TheEraLad]

One religion blaming another religion is classic. Just wait till they get what they want and they will turn on the rest. Also I am extremely interested in learning who is funding these events. I find it hard to believe certain countries were not involved due to the amount of power they gained from it.

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

Saudi-Arabië and Iran for a big part. These are tribal wars.

[@marziaball5089]

FYI “ Islam corrects the deviation of other religion without condemning it” Dr Shabir Ally Dawa center in Toronto Canada❤

[@susannapavelkova1265]

In my experience, having lived in the middle east, Islam doesn't blame or compete other religions - they acknowledge them and their right to exist as followers of other prophets, all of whom are simply ultimately teaching the word of Allah. That's how it was explained to me by Muslims in Iran.

[@paxwallace8324]

Oh I'm reading a brilliant book By Martin Amos "Money" Now I'll be on the lookout for any Islamaphobia

[@hakukuze7947]

What we thought 21st century will be like and what they did to it. 🤦

[@mznxbcv12345]

Christendom is the empirial religion, born under the auspices of constantine, the subjects were converted at the edge of the sword and rendered into slaves for his majesty, often referring to him as their lord. In Islam such slavery is unthinkable. The only lordship is that of the creator, no station into which man was brought into the lands of Islam was to any degree as bad as the repugnant chattel slavery brought by the primitive tribalism inherent in their texts. Constantine chose regularly to refer to himself as the “servant of God” (famulus dei/therapon tou theou) in official writings. By the fifth century, this metaphor of subordination had been redeployed from theological to political contexts as the subjects of the emperor came to refer to themselves as “slaves of the emperor.” And by the sixth, Justinian insisted all his officials swear an oath that they would demonstrate their service to the emperor “with genuine slavehood” (gnesia douleia).b Building on Paul’s revalorization of the vocabulary of slavery, and particularly the word doulos came to be applied to a variety of hierarchical relationships, even as it also continued to be used specifically of chattel slaves. By the middle Byzantine period, this expansion of the semantic range of the root doul- eventually gave the abstract nominal form douleia, meaning laborer Insofar as everyone who partook in labor was considered to be a participant This epistemological world view is coherent with master-slave dynamic relationship between the head of the state and his subjects, or rather slaves. The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.” Albert describes a massacre occurring, in cold blood, on the second day following the conquest, painting a scene that is as horrific as it is realistic and detailed: "Girls, women, matrons, tormented by fear of imminent death and horror-struck by the violent murder wrapped themselves around the Christians’ bodies in the hope to save their lives, even as the Christians were raving and venting their rage in murder of both sexes. Some threw themselves at their feet, begging them with pitiable weeping and wailing for their lives and safety. When children five or three years old saw the cruel fate of their mothers and fathers, of one accord they stepped up the weeping and pitiable clamour. But they were making these signals for pity and mercy in vain. For the Christians gave over their whole hearts to murder, so that not a suckling little male-child or female, not even an infant of one year would escape the hand of the murderer". Evoking several of these verses in practice: - (Num 31:17-18) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - (Deut 7:2, 9:3, Num 21) thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them... - (Ezek 9:6) Slay utterly old [and] young both maids and little children and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] mark begin at my sanctuary. This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

[@joeberi1551]

Religions ARE regarded By common people as true By wise people as false By the leaders as useful.

[@EwanCummins]

Ah, Herbert.

[@user-sd2yv8vs6h]

Thank you for this video

[@wuteva34]

These political advertisements before the beginning of each KZbin video is making me sick to my stomach every single time I have to listen to any of them!

[@myla6135]

You can pay to avoid most ads which I do. Like you the ads send me nuts. It's not cheap but for me it's worth it as I use YT a fair bit.

[@juliecousineau393]

I have looked in the usual pages to buy this book to no avail. Great shoe

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

What a fine guest Mr Oborne is. Thank you.

[@Swat-ed5bt]

Free Palestine ♥️

[@catherinelilyrichardson528]

Oh my!!!! Peter Oborne defender of the ruling class

[@Erol-Oztrk]

-Islam is about bringing peace upon people regardless of their race or skin color. Islam is about acknowledging remembering the Creator and appreciating amazing millions of creations. Islam tends to consolidate good for humanity not to kill or murder innocent.

[@susannapavelkova1265]

This is also my understanding. Also, they don't compete or criticise other religions, simply accepting them as followers of other prophets, all of whom are speaking the word of Allah, who appears in different forms but remains the same all-seeing

[@GigiDavis-u6d]

😂😂😂😂

[@davidhamilton6363]

As the Chinese philosopher Hoo Flung Dung ,say's "We're a' Tam Samson,s Bairns!!

[@kateoneal4215]

Muslims in the US overwhelmingly support JILL STEIN.

[@JuliusGalacki]

I think Oborne has a rather rose colored view of the depth of British acceptance of multi-culturalism. I think if you ask a British person of color, I think they would have a very different perspective. Rather than "after World War 2", it seems to me more like the last 15 years. I think an interesting way to see this would be to look at British TV shows, which arguably would be the vanguard of social opinion (theatre even more in the vanguard but TV having the greater reach). You only occasionally saw people of color in central sympathetic roles and those typically were "guest roles" in the 1990s compared to the fairly common depiction today where people of color who are now part of the regular cast. So, the violent reaction of the right wing rioters wasn't so surprising to me. The multi-culturalism hasn't saturated deeply into British culture. Imperialism and exceptionalism (as exists here in the United States) remains a strong part of many citizens' identity, if not a majority.

[@malkamari2]

Thanks

[@Matt-man69]

I really wanted to buy this book but its $42 for the e-book in canadian dollars which is outrageous.

[@markwilliamson4628]

Well, the real problem here is that any attempt to justify a religious movement or ethos of any kind leads eventually into the realms of magical thinking, exceptionalism, demonization of the other etc. Eschew wooly feel-good stories about how special your particular group of humans are and begin to view the natural world more clearly.

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

Obviously the law needs to change so that I can get paid for my work

[@marziaball5089]

“ British favors Jews” , the ones who give British David hotel vbmbing

[@nessunodorme3888]

That guy was most unimpressive. Rather then reveal the roots of Islamophobia in the West he glossed over the subject. He did (rightly) condemn French settler colonialism in Algeria, calling it a "dark" sort of colonialism he said the British didn't practice. He defended British subjugation of India as milder, more respectful and ignored the _settler colonization_ of the Americas as if it had nothing to do with Britain! In fact he spent most of the interview waxing nostalgic about the humane and wise views of British Conservatism and singing the praises of the likes of Boris Johnson! At the very end he lowered his voice noticeably while mumbling for two minutes about the atrocities in Gaza committed"by our allies". The topic of Islamophobia was hardly addressed, let alone explicated.

[@davidmarston207]

Good call Chris, I recognize Peter Oborne from George Galloway’s (MOATS) Pod Cast, Peter referred to Journalist David Kelly’s murder as a person who could have of brought down the entire British Government for being complicit in War Crimes in an illegal War on Iraq 🇮🇶

[@margaretcampbell2681]

Charnel house hey! What a wonderful description. As a female I’m disappointed that he used this word.

[@sluggygrumble5164]

Back on. Happy days. And cheers for having Peter - he's very good!

[@hayatraja7360]

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[@janetwebb1507]

" To MEMORISING Politics of ANCIENT History-- Flung down by Corpse Evangelists" - Bob Dylan, Jewish Christian

[@misehedgehogs]

Peter Osborne, half way to Damascus

[@pennylaprebendere7804]

I was planning on buying his book until he said that he believed that monarchs were a force for stability, I just can't go there. I think he got neoconservatism wrong also. Although it was a very good interview.

[@jillfryer6699]

And who pushes UK Political Class (neo conservative Labor or Tories) to push the Midlands to do the dirty work beating up on Islamic immigrants? When their forbears, the conservative Conservatives were comparatively benign.

[@godsbloodyhammer7090]

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[@rezakarampour6286]

' Israel , Lobby Ties To Islamophobia . '

[@ndvs4391]

As a staunch French Republican (the Jacobin/Rousseauist tradition), I'd like to thank you for your visible discomfort at the mention of Burke. By the way, in terms of being that rare breed of old school conservatives who, despite being right-wing, resist the fascist and racist tendencies of our age by sticking to their principles, I find Oborne to be somewhat comparable to the French Dominique De Villepin, who made the famous speech justifying the French veto in the UN Security Council against the invasion of Iraq, and who in the recent months has insisted on refusing to demonise the French left and to deny its victory in the last elections. He has also been a defender of the Palestinians over the recent genocidal campaign.

[@fabiengerard8142]

Exactement.

[@RC-jr4in]

Is this dude whitewashing British colonialism? Lowkey does a much better job explaining the roots of Islamaphobia. This guy is all over the place.

[@vivalaleta]

No Jimmy Dore? GOOD

[@9UaYXxB]

Yes, Jimmy is not someone I have even a moment of time for. An insufferable bully and relentlessly self-indulgent creep.

[@blackbeard00]

This man relies more on his ridiculous accent for his arguments than any actual evidence.