The (Overdue) Collapse of the 9-5 Job

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Companies are doing mass layoff while complaining about not being able to find enough employees, some workers are min-maxing the system by working multiple full-time jobs at the same time, while others need to work hours of unpaid overtime at just one job… This is not to mention that the gig economy is consuming entire sectors of the workforce… The 9-5 was created by American labour unions in the 1800’s and became mainstream over one HUNDRED [100] years ago, when jobs looked like this, and this… it was revolutionary for its time… but how many of the modern problems in corporate America are caused by trying to make an outdated system fit with every single modern job…
A report by the management consulting firm McKinsey and company found that two thirds [2/3] of the average humans wealth is in the work they can do over their lifetime. Everybody has time, effort and experience that they can trade for money and those tradable commodities are worth twice as much as all of the other assets that the average person possesses. A regular nine to five [9-5] job has been a great way for billions of people to safely exchange a predictable amount of their time for a predictable pay check, with predictable career advancement as they gain more experience.
But this one size fits all model for work doesn’t fit with every job and trying to make it work has been bad for employees AND bad for companies for three reasons, which is causing three equally terrible trends in the job market. The first trend is that it makes time a worthless asset. The Ford Motor Company was one of the first businesses in America to adopt the nine to five forty-hour work week. Henry Ford did this to make his company THE most attractive place for auto workers to get a job. This allowed him to pull talent away from other automakers without paying his workers more. In order to compete with Ford other automakers were forced to offer the same forty-hour work week with paid overtime. Eventually in order to compete with the automakers other companies were also forced to offer 9-5 jobs so that their best workers didn’t quit to go and work on a car assembly line. These auto workers had tightly defined and repetitive tasks, so unless the workers succumbed to exhaustion, they could do a consistent amount of work for every hour they spent at their post, and every additional hour would produce the same amount of output.
If you work in a modern office job you will know that your work is nothing like this. Sometimes there is a lot to do, and sometimes there is nothing to do, but you still need to be there eight hours a day looking busy no matter what. Back when the 40-hour week was being fought for by workers unions, most Americans worked in manufacturing, but today most people work in the service sector which is more diverse than you might expect.
Clearly these jobs are very different, and should have a different schedule but most of the corporate world has tried to make the 9-5 fit all jobs… Work comes and goes as internal and external customers make demands, and that means when people are busy and need more than eight hours in the day to finish their work they are expected to work “reasonable unpaid overtime” …
According to an ADP Research Institute Study of office professionals unpaid overtime jumped to an average of NINE point two HOURS per WEEK in 2021, more than a full extra day to keep up with employer demands.
BUT when there is little to no work to do because a project has just been completed or sales are seasonally slow, workers are still expected to put in their 40 hours a week, because “that’s what the business is paying them for”.
If you are in this kind of job your best option is to try and find something that makes you look busy, but “if you don’t have something to work on” you are probably going to be given meaningless tasks just to fill the mandatory eight-hour day…
So it’s time to learn How Money Works to find out why we might be in the midst of the overdue collapse of the 9-5.

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[@redknightsr69]

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[@rickstevenson9585]

I thought 9-5 was already dead, it’s 8-5 now. Corporate America stopped paying workers to eat lunch a long time ago.

[@jamesmusic2210]

Lmao it's 8-6 for me, but I dang sure do not come in on time because it's absolute bs

[@ProDigit80]

6:45-8 it is for me. That's 13hrs a day.

[@diamondk1]

There's still time theft by the job when commuting isn't factored in.

[@awilliams765]

Most places you don't even get an hour lunch. Thirty minutes is all you get.

[@leothelion634]

Eat at your desk

[@gregboi183]

There is no shortage of workers, just a shortage of workers willing to work for dirt pay

[@frogismyhandle]

Not just the dirt pay, also the harassment, and bullying, and drunken Co workers, and mobbing, and burnout being the best worker for the job, and watching everyone else dick around and or walk all over you, I can't do it anymore

[@lordaizen6815]

@@frogismyhandle facts!

[@titolovely8237]

@@frogismyhandle man that part about being the best worker while everyone else dicks around hit me HARD.

[@TheNucaKola]

@@frogismyhandlealso how much were taxed on our pay, and the level of taxation in general

[@rennmaxbeta]

And who want a bit of a life besides work work work

[@QEngineering]

The biggest issue that I see with a 9 to 5 is that whenever things are busy you are expected to work OT, but when things are slow you don't have the option to go home early and management gets frustrated that you're not "taking the initiative to find something to do".

[@badboyluvr]

It's also pretty bad when things are slow but "we're way behind on getting product to the customer so, you'll have to come in for ot anyway."

[@QEngineering]

@@badboyluvr Agreed, the maintenance world has this fun thing called "engineering support" it's OT where you are a security blanket because some engineer is afraid that they don't know how to safely power down and power up a piece of equipment. 8 hours of OT for maybe 30min of work.

[@annienguyen3476]

THISSS!!!

[@2l84me8]

Amazon warehouses have this problem.

[@AusMusBoys]

I feel that more than ever right after college. We have seasons where it’s busy and then slow. I really wish our bosses just let us take half of Friday off or even the whole day off. We always get most, if not, all of our work done by late Wednesday or early Thursday. It feels like such a big waste of time and money to “work” the whole last workday when there’s no more work to be done.

[@KylaFuller]

I just hate how the doctor is open the same hours you’re at work. I can’t be both places so I have to lose money to address my health or suffer at work. You work work work and when you’re off there’s no time to get things done. Self care costs more than getting a second job and focusing on money.

[@ZechariahofJudah]

I was just thinking about this. Same with mechanics shops being open 8-5 so we have to call out of work and lose money or call an uber/ take the metro to work which both take more time and money

[@LeaverWild]

And banks. And therapists. And leading offices. And personal care specialists (hair, physical therapy).

[@laurynelove7093]

I dont think the problem is the time these places are open but the fact that you lose money for taking care of yourself

[@coolioso808]

The whole system stinks, as George Carlin put it. The whole idea of greed and profit and the exploitation of other people, it stinks. We need system change. Try community based integrated networks of mutual aid. There is Mutual Aid Networks and there is One Small Town Contributionism.

[@giftsforcrows]

Or how health insurance companies open 8-6 and by the time you clock out at work you have 30 mins to make a call or use your lunch hour .

[@lmattsonart]

I work a 9-5 in the animation industry - at Warner Brothers. Basically an office job. BUT my boss hates the 5-day, 9-5 structure and implements a tactic we call "slow start mondays" where nothing is allowed to be scheduled before noon on Monday and is generally discouraged for the entire day if possible. You have that time to do whatever you want - prepping work, making your coffee, or running your errands, essentially giving us an additional half to full day to our weekends. As long as we have our phones nearby just in case something explodes, she counts that as a "full day's work". Some Mondays I have another weekend day to my self. Some Mondays are busy and I do WB work, but without the burden of meetings so it's at my own pace. It's SO nice. She also has us bill every single minute of OT. You did 3 min of OT? Put it on your timecard. She correctly believes that if she allows us freedom and breaks we'll work hard when things come down to the wire. And we do, because this particular boss trusts us, values OUR time, and understands that we all have lives outside of the company rather than throwing us a lame quarterly pizza party. That's not Warner Brothers doing that. That's one incredible boss who knows how a good team functions in the 9-5 system. My husband on the other hand is contract and LOVES it. He works 20-30 hours a week on projects he likes and makes twice what I do.

[@aangitano]

Your manager sounds fantastic!

[@adamh1228]

Ive got a similar setup, although i do engineering work. I am salary and RARELY work more than 40 hrs a week, job is purely performance based, and my performance metrics are very reasonable (plus Im really good at it and can usually get my work done under time) Yeah, sometimes it sucks, but its very rare, and Im fortunate to have this job.

[@Cat-ci2bl]

i work as a storyboard artist in canada and this is definitely not the case at all for us up here - especially the OT. all of ours is unpaid, needs to be approved before you do it (which makes zero sense because if you find out the day of that you need to do OT to hit a deadline, it sometimes takes days to get approval), but you also get shit on if the work isn't finished in the ridiculous schedules they've set up for us. i'm glad your boss is a decent human being!

[@lmattsonart]

@@Cat-ci2bl ​ I'm really sorry to hear that :( I know that's been an ongoing issue both here in the states and elsewhere. It shouldn't be happening at all. The best I can do is encourage everyone to stop doing unpaid OT. Here in US we can cite it as 100% illegal which helps scare companies into actually respecting us. I know its not that people don't want to work hard or that they don't love their job. It sucks to love to do something but then to have it ruined like that.

[@JD96893]

I am so jealous. I hate the 40 hour work week. It is the dumbest thing ever. Every job I have worked at there are countless hours of unnecessary pointless work where you just aren't really producing anything.

[@jwetzel3141]

If tech firms were in charge of the fire department, they’d lay everyone off if there was not a fire every day. “You’ve gone three days without putting out a single fire! I can get someone from India to put out three fires each day!”

[@richardscathouse]

Sounds fair.. What makes them special? 😢

[@ayanokojikiyotaka5750]

@@richardscathouse Cheap labor due to currency values

[@jonathanbaker4361]

Firefighters are on call. And they don't spend all their down time with their thumbs up their asses. They are training to respond. Military is the same. You don't have time to learn on the job when you are fighting the fire. It's life and death. You need to know before you get there. Your comparing apples and oranges.

[@joeyghostx]

@@jonathanbaker4361 The joke here is that Tech Firms don't give a shit about a bank's or customer's database being hacked in real time. They just let that info freely go out there and say "oh yeah, we were sleepin so your SSN is out there now"

[@lainamitclaire]

​@@jonathanbaker4361Elon Musk won't fuck you bro

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

"We don't pay overtime. We pay minimum wage. We offer 0 sick days per year. We offer 0 annual raises. We don't do Holiday pay. We deduct your lunchbreaks even if they're 10 minutes long. We don't offer healthcare even if you pay for it. We expect you to work 3 positions by yourself. We will never thank you òr even say "Good Job." We will make you regret your loyalty to the company in one way, or another. We will funnel every literal penny of profit directly to the owners who were born into wealth. WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD WORKERS GONE?!?!" -American Companies (corporate or private, doesn't matter anymore) in 2024

[@packedsalt5587]

I dunno man, I work for one of the big banks I get 16 weeks paid paternity 2 personal holidays Every federal holiday 225 hours of pto 54 hours of sick time 401k match Insurance that paid for my kids 3 heart surgeries It's not all bad

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

@@packedsalt5587 good for you.

[@Nuka0420]

My old job Joe Randazzo's did this and has been doing it for over 60 years

[@ShivaInu42]

@@packedsalt5587 Banks and big government are parasites on the economy. Nothing but negative externalities for the people actually providing/producing the goods/services.

[@twsmith1362]

I was a manager of one of the largest restaurant companies on earth, and now an accountant for one of the largest milling companies in America, and your description just does not exist. It sounds like you are someone that just wants to do the absolute minimum work and get the max pay and benefits.

[@RolandKoller90]

To me, there’s a huge disconnect with us as a whole across the world. The goal seems to be, get the job done for the cheapest, by people who will sacrifice most of their time and health. A shift really needs to happen. Where peoples time is truly appreciated. Living and working should be harmonious. All humans shouldn’t work more than 30-35 hours a week. Companies should be ok with clocking less revenue. The world just needs to slow down.

[@damian9303]

And that’s the problem, it’s hard for natural-born citizens to find a stable job when migrants are being exploited for cheap labor. The death of the 9-5 comes at the expense of working a 9-1 amidst the undercutting that many corporations have been doing after inflation caused by the pandemic

[@SB-mg1wy]

But corporations can't afford to slow down. They have to outcompete other businesses and they need to pay off the creditors

[@efrainmndz13]

@@damian9303ok bud, unless you’re dishing it out on a farm, pouring concrete or roofing, I highly doubt migrants are the reason for price gouging.

[@xGatorchomp28x]

Amen brother

[@michaelgresham1980]

@@efrainmndz13you’d be surprised. The benefits that they are racking in is costing us hundreds of billions just in tax payer money…this isn’t even the “poor man jobs” that companies are exploiting them for. “Migrants” are a huge reason why our economy is so bad right now.

[@evanrogers1825]

I had a job as a janitor at a university and I worked 7-3. My boss let me knock it back to 5-1 so I could take college classes. It’s amazing how big of a difference a good boss can make.

[@LinkEX]

Having a boss that considers your preferred working time is great. Unless there are strict dependencies at certain hours in the day, this is usually also very much in the boss's interest, as you'll usually do a better job as a result. That said, as a night owl, changing schedule to earlier hours in the day would be the very last thing I'd want, lol.

[@kinghengkeithleung3931]

so happy for you!

[@Alecallday1107]

Yeah good bosses make or break a job.

[@carknower]

Did you solve random math problems on the chalkboard?

[@robinsongonzalez2777]

They need to make the 9am to 5pm work time schedule into 9am-12pm and still get a full time check. More jobs will be available and quality of life will increase. The system need to change there work laws. U.S government wants to complain about not having enough workers and then goes to other parts of the world to bring immigrants to the us to fulfill job demand when the problem lies in there own laws. WE WORKING TO HARD WE NEED MORD TIME OFF AND MORE MONEY. GOVERNMENT-NEEDS WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER TO !!!!!!

[@lukewise3244]

The problem is that people are missing the bigger picture. In my grandparents' day, you showed your loyalty to a company and worked for them your whole career. Then when you retired in your 50s, you received a penison. My Mom's parents, both in their early 80s now, have been married for over 60 years. They were able to afford a house in their mid-20s WITH 2 kids already born. If you want the masses to put in 20th century effort, they must have their 20th century lives back. There is NO substitute.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

Besides the rampant greed that has been destroying society, around 60 yrs ago, there was only 1/3 of the amount of people on the planet that we have now...the human population has tripled since then. That has added more competition for jobs and resources. More people, more problems... including more pollution, more stress, less patience etc.

[@dissident112]

No doing that anymore.... the global elites want everyone in apartments to reduce carbon emissions. The days of a home costing 3 times one person's annual income are now over for good. Everyone is willing to overpay to live a lifetyle that keeps two full time couples living paycheck to paycheck or private equity simply buys them up with cash offers. There is too much liquidity in the system because of modern monetary theorists who believe deflation is the big boogeyman and want to keep asset prices pumped up. This nation died around 2020 when housing supply drove up prices to stupidity, and it's a worldwide problem. Simply increasing the minimum wage won't fix it. We need to build more houses and apartments both.

[@rh162]

@@chihirostargazer6573 But more people = more consumers/customers. You're telling me that, now that businesses have maximized profits to an absurd degree and intentionally understaffing became the regular... theres too much competition? I know you mentioned greed. Im also making a point.

[@oldcynic6964]

lukewise - I think people were valued more in the past. As an example, my sister retired last year at 67. She had worked for Royal Bank of Scotland since she was 17 - save for two years she took off for raising two young kids. Forty-nine years in the same company, and they didn't even have an office party on the Friday when she left. Gig-guys can see the writing on the wall !

[@TehDanceMaster]

@@chihirostargazer6573 More people who deserve to be paid adequately for their time and the work they do. Sounds like big corpos need to adapt otherwise the entire foundation of the work system is going collapse underneath their feet.

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

I've been hearing about and seeing more and more companies shifting towards a 4-day work week model, because I've heard that there are more and more studies proving its efficacy for productivity. My husband is an engineer, and at his office job, they have every other Friday off, and work nine hours a day the rest of the week. It's not a straight 4-day work week model, but MAN, that 3-day weekend every other week makes my husband LOVE his job. Just giving your employees space to BREATHE and have TIME to live their own lives just. makes. sense. I have hope that we'll see different versions of this 4-day work week continue to take root and spread!

[@furikakez]

As long as you produce 5 days of work in 4, I think everybody will be happy to adopt it, but I’m not sure that’d work that way.

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

@@furikakez - You may be right, it may not work for everyone. But it works for the company my husband works for. :) He finds that when he gets a 3-day weekend every other week, he has more _energy_ to be more productive when he IS there. And that lines up with the studies I've heard of.

[@unc1221]

@@milo_thatch_incarnateyou must be a stay at home mom. You can’t fathom the sht hole of a job market most men are in. I had a job working 4’10s 3 days off. It’s still awful being there all day, knowing you have to go back soon. Also his workload may not be as much as mine was; if it matched, he wouldn’t be happy to go in every day.

[@AbdulRahman-vy7ko]

​@@unc1221what are you on about? I know you are angry but stop spilling it at other people and assuming shit

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

@@unc1221 - I'm truly sorry for that, friend. I know there are a lot of shtty jobs out there, I'm very blessed that my husband and I both have good ones. I do work from home, don't have kids yet (hopefully next year). We're very blessed, that's all I can say. And like I said -- I'm optimistic that we can keep making things better. :)

[@OctagonalSquare]

I’ve got an 8-5 but salaried. My boss straight up said “if you’re getting work done, leaving early/coming in late is fine”. Obviously within reason. I can’t take off half the day all week. But he even instructed me that if I stay late a day, take that time off another day. I have to drive to a customer twice a week. He specifically instructed to not leave early and to make sure I get back before 5. He doesn’t want me to be working outside my normal hours, and counts driving that far as work. So yesterday I had to stay at the customer’s office for about 30 minutes longer due to a meeting running long. So I came in 30 minutes late today. It’s about as much flexibility that a position that requires tons of meetings can have.

[@shoazdon7000]

Basically in the UK this is call Flex Time. (Only certain employers offer it). But here’s the funny trick with Flex Time. They expect you to use your ‘flex’ for any breaks you take so basically if you wanna take a break other than your lunch break then you have to come in early or leave late

[@palereaper]

What’s your position?

[@dot_boi]

Can't stress enough on companies overworking people. I worked for a company for 3 years. Had a really good track record with them and did very well. They upped our workload and wanted us giving tech support to 3 customers simultaneously. I was able to keep up for a few months but got burnt out. I started not getting enough sleep at night, showing up late to work and they fired me because I was 2-3 minutes late a few days in a row to a job that expects you to work 1-2 hours overtime every day if necessary. Honestly I think its insanity that some people are expected to do the work of 3 people without going insane.

[@mrhatty0514]

Worked as an automotive mechanic when the lockdowns hit. Our business was considered essential but we were required to scale down our head count. At my specific shop we went from 5 full time mechanics to 1. When things picked back up, management didn’t rehire, and expected that 1 tech to do the same job as 5. Within 6 months the company started touting about their record profits. And when the mechanics came asking for a slice of that pie, it magically became outside the budget. I watched many skilled auto mechanics leave the field entirely (myself included) because of these practices.

[@PatSporrerMusic77]

​@@mrhatty0514 Greed is absolutely rampant anymore it's disgusting....

[@CookingwithCaro]

I got fired for the exact same reason. I always ran 2-3 minutes late but stayed over an hour after to finish work. It was so relieving honestly once they fired me .. I was so happy to get fired. My new job is way more flexible. Some jobs are just absolutely ridiculous

[@ASavageEye]

@@CookingwithCaro Omg are you serious? You admit that you are consistently LATE to work. There is simply NO excuse for being late day after day and then you admit to working overtime ( which costs the company more money and they dont like that) just to finish the work you SHOULD have done during your main hours. Constantly late, not able to finish work during allotted time and costing them extra money....of course you were fucking fired.

[@aluisious]

@eEye Mmm baby, what's your favorite flavor of boot polish? Just to grind your gears a little, I make $150k a year, I'm consistently late to work by hours (I should be working now), and I frequently leave work early. I've never met my manager so no one really tracks my time. How do you like that?

[@stischer47]

In software engineering, we call this the Mythical Man Month. It goes something like this - if one person can produce 1 workable line of code per hour (which is a misunderstanding), then a million line program will take 1 million hours. Therefore, a million programmers can produce the program in 1 hour. Add to this, if you are not coding, you are not working.

[@HowMoneyWorks]

This man has senior operational management written all over him!

[@WanderingExistence]

I think Warren Buffett said it in a little bit more relatable way that "if a woman can have a baby in 9 months, nine women should be able to have a baby in 1 month."

[@Pfyzer]

​@WanderingExistence well if you impregnated once a month, yea

[@nicolea4411]

@@WanderingExistence That is an interesting quote. If you take 9 pregnant women, given 9 months (and successful births) that DOES give you an average of 1 baby per month. To me, the takeaway is that productive work you can extract from an individual requires a certain investment of time into that individual, project, etc. which there is no escaping.

[@Bronek0990]

This has some serious "9 women can bear a child within one month" vibes

[@lockedon8953]

I work an 8-5 in an open plan office, and i can describe the job in 3 words: den of snakes. It's just too much togetherness and exhaustion. No one has the time to actually unwind, so morale continues to plummet, and no one trusts each other because everyone is concerned about being tattled on.

[@brightharbor_]

Not sure I’d insult snakes by comparing them to a toxic office environment. That sounds like hell. I’m currently transitioning out of a white collar career into the trades, and my favorite thing about it is never having to deal with that sort of environment ever again.

[@Dryflyriver]

The open plan office is the dumbest idea a white collar has ever come up with.

[@omarsharifi2587]

Studies show that a 4 day 32 hour work week result in similar productivity levels with the added benefit of increasing employee well-being and happiness. In a UK study, +90% of organizations decided to change to a shorter work week after noticing the benefits . Not only should we be incorporating 32 hour work weeks, but remote and/or hybrid mode as well for greater flexibility, autonomy, & work-life balance!

[@kellyevans3254]

Thing that really grinds my gears is that banks and government offices tend to run 10:00-5:00 so now I need to schedule time off work to renew my drivers license or talk to my bank person.

[@Jadty]

Just as planned.

[@taniasalu2405]

Banks in Australia are open on Saturdays, and usually to 6pm on Fridays. Government offices are operating from 7am to 7pm.

[@kellyevans3254]

@@taniasalu2405 that seems much smarter than Canada.

[@taniasalu2405]

@@kellyevans3254 don't worry, we're still fairly dumb lol. However Japan made me fairly frustrated in my last visit. Large banks were open from 11am to 3pm for business, and foreign exchange needed to be done in a small office, not the main floor. Three days a week only. Dodgy exchange places in malls were better! Compare it to Croatia (I have visited a fair bit) and even in small towns, banks and post offices are open early, and on Saturdays.

[@tylerbreau4544]

From what I see in credit unions, they usually have at least 1 day with odd hours. Like my old credit union office the tellers hours was 9-5 or something like that for most days of the week but Thursday goes until 6. Also, in Canada, we can renew drivers licenses online. I mean if you need to get a new picture then probably can't do that online but yea.

[@theresanoelle]

another issue that contributes to this is death of entry level positions. entry level use to mean people with no experience could get the job because the company would train you, and you were essentially seen as an investment for the company, but now most companies don't to take on that costs that proper training requires, which is why you see a lot of "entry level" job postings requiring at least several years of experience now; the more experience you have, the less time and money they have to spend on training you while also paying you less because it's "entry level." Combine that with a low starting pay that's only a a dollar or two above minimum wage (or sometimes just minimum wage!), then it's no wonder they can't fill these positions or have people constantly leaving for better jobs

[@Nick94MI]

This. SO many jobs can be trained, I'd even beg to differ that upwards of 80% of all the jobs out there could be trained to people with no previous experience/college degree. What really aggravates me is when jobs will only hire people with a bachelor's degree- it doesn't even matter what the degree is in they just need to have one, like wtf?? Bring back apprenticeships and pensions

[@w_h_y1112]

Literally. Or they ghost you. They will always be sayin they are hiring and it took a while for me to show my parents that, look man, I aint being lazy. I am just not getting a call back or even a email

[@757Princess]

@@Nick94MI this! I have a bachelors in biology and I just apply to anything with a degree requirement. The pay is sometime as low as $20 hr 😢

[@Nick94MI]

@@757Princess That's ridiculous.. have you thought about maybe trying to become a biology teacher? At least could probably make more than $20 an hour and at least have summers off 🤣.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

There's no law that refunds companies for training programs and apprenticeships? Damn, that sucks. I'm relying heavily on that in my country, just being able to get a wage and training because my employer knows they can claim something back for my formation.

[@Harrison.DuRant]

Your boss is everything. I started at my current company and had a great boss low down in the IT sector. She didn't care WHAT we did if we worked our tickets and kept our users happy. I watched KZbin half the time, and when tickets came in, they got my full attention. 7 years later I got an opportunity to move up to the Security sector and got a boss with the same attitude, only slightly better. The pandemic had happened, and he just didn't care if we stayed in the office after lunch. We were already working a hybrid week in week out system, but 100% of our job is done from behind a PC, and the team constantly chats through MS Teams. So now we all leave around 1 PM after lunch on the week that we go in. There's still a lot to do, it's not a particularly thrilling job and can get stressful but being able to work from home and use my own bathroom, eat from my own fridge, and pet my cat during work has been SO good for my health. Your boss can literally make or break your job.

[@AbdulRahman-vy7ko]

I am glad man! If you don't mind me asking what job in specific do you have?

[@stevenpitera8978]

yup. Workers don't leave jobs, they leave managers. The 9-5 work week works, but it doesnt if you manager is making you work the entire time. It really should be project per project, and timesheets are outdated concept. If your 100k best worker wants to do all the work in 1-2 days, let him lol. If the 150k worker works best spacing out all the work over a week, let him too. Just keep the deadline dates and make sure your company standards/systems are 100% ready to help ship services/products. Sitting on a meeting to trouble shoot why a program isnt working well, is one reason the 9-5 work week fails.

[@TikkaQrow]

Dang, where you work? You hiring?

[@katarh]

@@stevenpitera8978 There are some people who do need to be in on that meeting, but it definitely shouldn't be the developers. Business analysts are trained for that and should be the ones who investigate the issues and try to figure out what process improvements need to happen to make the business work better - not just the software application. Sometimes the problem is a people problem, not a software problem. Changing the software should be the last resort if it involves more than one system. But professional business analysts are expensive, and too many companies think they should hire another short term consultant to throw at a problem instead of hiring a permanent embedded business analyst to grease the wheels on behalf of the software team.

[@angelac1724]

True. My boss is great.

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

In manufacturing it’s often a 6-3. I overheard a plant manager saying they were experiencing more accidents due to workers being overtired. So they began starting their days earlier so they could run mandatory stretching in the beginning of the day. Instead of ya know letting their employees get more sleep.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

Gotta love corporate logic

[@ThatGoodBarbequ]

I’m in medicine and I wonder how unsafe this must be for doctors to start at 5am and work 80-100 hour weeks

[@manleyfgc7981]

Waking up earlier has ton of benefits but go on dude

[@ThatGoodBarbequ]

@@manleyfgc7981 like what

[@Some_Average_Joe]

@@manleyfgc7981 Not if you're working more than 40 hours a week

[@thearbitersteven6503]

Entry level is absolutely dead. That's another thing too Requiring 5 to 10 years of experience is a joke. That's not entry level, entry level means the employer has to train that's what it used to be. This society makes no sense.

[@inuendo6365]

Yup Granted, you can count volunteer work and college as experience but it's ridiculous 5 years is expected for $16 an hour

[@b.cdrisk2035]

One time I saw an "entry level" job that required 10 years experience

[@Gutek8134]

IIRC these requirements are written in a way you can't meet all of them, so the company has a reason to not hire you in case there's a better candidate

[@nates9105]

Meh. Make it up to a prospect employeer on how any experiences throughout years as to how it helps the specific job being employed. That year shit is HR not always the manager. The manager has interest to fill a job and not stress out about having to fight a person to do it. 😅

[@BusinessWolf1]

Ignore titles, apply anyway. Ignore this advice at your own peril. I taught myself web dev online for free and got a job december 20th 2023 when the market was dead, AND in a traditionalist 2nd world country. The title was java mid/senior and I got in as a full stack junior with javascript (completely different).

[@jenksjax]

working in an office and listening to your boss talk about how stressed he is about work, while he tells you how many things he also got done for his private life is a feeling I cannot describe. working is so stressful but he takes his brother without a car to the doctor and does all kinds of grocery shopping between his two appointments where he has to sit in a coffee shop discussing ideas, while I lose money when I have a medical problem because I only get paid for sitting at my spot in the office, not the things I accomplished.

[@morenike41]

Time to stop being an employee, right?

[@NewStarConstellation]

You do not believe your boss, do you?

[@bigfoottamer]

Sounds like a skill issue 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

@ke41 totally realistic scenario for everything single human on the entire planet - just every single human that exists needs to be their own boss for their own company. no one anywhere in the entire existence of the planet should do different

[@morenike41]

@@alexanderredhorse1297 not realistic for EVERYONE but the complainer above. if you are going to complain about how unfair it is that othet people have coffee and exchange ideas while you have debt, it is time to make.some serious changes or learn to be okay with not getting much. Point blank perioT. Some people are just followers and they are needed. Complain and look for a way to change or be content and shut up.

[@MaidenLoaf]

9-5 is hell when you have ADHD and a delayed circadian rhythm as part of that ADHD. Even if I get 8-9 hours of sleep, if I wake up at 7 to be ready to work by 9, I'll be exhausted for most of the day. If I can sleep until 12pm and go to bed at 3am, I'm refreshed and full of energy.

[@AbdulRahman-vy7ko]

Totally understandable 🫂

[@Healingarts939]

Same

[@TikkaQrow]

I started Vyvanse this year, after being untreated for a decade. It's helped my sleep/wake cycle soo much... If you're lucky enough to be in a state that can get you low cost or free adhd meds, do it

[@MaidenLoaf]

@@TikkaQrow I'm already on Vyvanse 60mg

[@PrisonMike196]

Going to bed that late and waking up that late isn't good for your body. It will hurt you in the long run.

[@replysoon3216]

Most people don't even work 9 to 5 anymore. Now days it's more like 9AM to 6PM or 9AM to 9PM.

[@dunjabakic4012]

True! My husband is HVAC engineer an he works 8am to 6pm

[@brightharbor_]

That plus commuting, fast food (because who has time to cook when you’re working or driving 14+ hours a day), all the stress wearing on your health accumulates over time and causes damage. It’s why people either “make it” and climb the corporate ladder (to more rewarding, less stressful positions) or burn out and turn to alcohol, etc., fall into depression, or develop stress-related chronic health conditions.

[@maxb2242]

I worked a 9 to 5 retail job and ended up changing jobs and working as a janitor. It feels good to do something actually productive and not be waiting around for customers

[@francois9018]

I'm happy that a fellow janitor is having a good place then. I work in a overpopulated school, we don't have enough space for everyone, let alone the bathroom or other facilities. I just got suspended due to the conditions in the school, higher ups completely ignoring years of me asking for support or ways to improve the workplace. They redid my entire work schedule and all I see is that now the work I used to do before people showed up is now done when they are there so that they can see I'm doing something. It also means I don't have the time to do real maintenance work during the day and so will cause even more problem down the line. We had people slipping and falling in the hallway due to the intake of sand the school has, but this new schedule made me go from cleaning the hallways 3 to 4 times a day down to 1. The teachers are absolutely baffled by the decision and if I try to change it I could get fired, but then when they see the condition of the school in a few weeks they'll still blame me for it. Everything depends on where you work, I've never been in a worst school in my life.

[@Stroggoii]

@@francois9018 Quit before you get blamed for their negligence. They're gonna get a child killed and you're gonna go to jail for it.

[@mirrors8913]

@@francois9018 Wealthier schools are probably better to work at. Instead of changing your hours they'll just install more cameras in the halls to make sure you keep moving and don't have time to fall asleep on the desks.

[@francois9018]

​@@mirrors8913 Lol It doesn't matter about wealth, if a school board is wealthy its just more money for the main office people. Also worked in a school where they had camera's never got any shit because every time there was even a hint of someone about to say I wasn't doing my job I told them to look at the camera's. Its to the point where in the school without them I just take pictures of my work and even though they are dated they will throw it out the window because they still want to blame me for the conditions they allow.

[@francois9018]

@@Stroggoii I'm looking mate, probably will just have to find a completely new career because I hear that's a constant in the all the schoolboards around my area.

[@silentm999]

Micromanaging, and forcing employees to worry about looking busy rather than be productive makes enployees not respect management, and costs companies dearly. This is what you get when management believes everyone is trying to screw them. And thats always Always ALWAYS because they are trying to screw everyone else, all the time. Projecting.

[@dacksonflux]

I love how middle management has become a uniquely hated demographic.

[@DesertSessions93]

Been there. Had a boss that expected me to look busy, even if I wasn't. Told me this directly "just look busy". Hed avoid me all day, not even say hi... Then at the end of the day as it's about time to clock out "oh btw I have this time consuming task I need you to do right now, the end of the day, even though I knew all day it needed to be done, I know today is your birthday but you need to be loyal to the company" I quit.

[@andipajeroking]

That s why work from home is awesome. When you re busy, youre busy. When you re not, you keep your laptop open, and you do whatever you want.

[@doe7914]

Yessss, 2-3 h long walks in the nature, if theres little to no work😅😅 I cant stand being in the office all week anymore

[@andipajeroking]

@@doe7914 on the contrary, i love the hobbit lifestyle, from gaming to reading, to cleaning the house or playing with my modell trains

[@doe7914]

@@andipajeroking sure, I usually do house chores or entertain myself with whatever I like and still get the work done on time. While in the office, when theres time on my hands, that time is wasted, too many eyes on me :D

[@chivalryremains9426]

As long as you're not in a telephone job.

[@TD-izAbxy]

Working from home is great, but we have to run productivity reports daily and fill out a log sheet of any 20+ minute gaps. So we're not getting away with anything

[@atomiconnection]

I work in the court system and hear stories from the sheriffs who evict non-paying tenants working 3 jobs just to make ends meet. They make the difficult choice of paying rent or putting food on the table. During eviction, they told their 2 children, “sorry I failed you again”. The sheriffs feel bad and are forced to do their job of evicting.

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

because police fundamental purpose is to protect those that own private property against those that do not. they exist to maintain order in favor of the bourgeois class. they are class traitors

[@fluffyou9276]

God damn that's heartwrenching. :(

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

They "feel bad".. but do it anyway, don't they? I guess THAT'S what matters, is them "feeling bad" about it. I mean sure you and your children are eating out of a dumpster behind walmart, but the Sheriff feels really bad about it, so it's okay.

[@infinitekg6537]

​@@DeenanTheKemon1i mean the alternative here is the sheriff doesn't evict the family, gets fired and now the new sheriff still evicts the family while the old sheriff now has to struggle to support his family...

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

@infinitekg6537 My point was that the problem isn't the sheriff, actually. The problem is the one giving him orders. Just try to understand it a bit better; the sheriff's personal feelings matter not when evil elitists are the ones actually evicting these poverty-stricken families. The sheriff is but the hand of God, in this case, a cruel, greedy, soulless corporation calling itself God while pulling strings from the inner sanctum of our very own Government. That's what I meant beyond surface level. "If he doesn't do it someone else will! So.. oh well! 🤷‍♂️" You have no idea how much power you give to them by holding that mentality.

[@voidalchemyofficial4857]

See, this is why I work as a fueler at an airport. Pay is decent, fueling is pretty easy on your body (if you're a guy), and when waiting for planes I'm allowed to do nothing or take long breaks, and during those long breaks I read, study, sometimes play my acoustic guitar in one of the back rooms, and I can go do errands if there's a long enough break between planes landing. There are some airports that don't allow this. Generally, most jobs want you working from the moment you clock in to when you clock out, even if there's no work to do. But I'm glad I work at one that doesn't make us do shit if there really isn't anything to do.

[@spaencerable]

I work in a office and some time i have nothing to do, and even if i know that still my hour of "work" are counted it stiil exhaust me because of how bored i get, and that a big problem for me

[@enaniux182]

Aircraft mech in line maintenance. Same shit, but way higher pay!

[@no_player_commentary]

@@spaencerable Then your probably in the best posistion to try starting your own bussiness or something even if its research you can kill time & look busy

[@spaencerable]

@@no_player_commentary yeah will probably try to sell my Excel skill, but the problem is that I am currently in a 2 years of a really special contract from the government of my country that let me work in a company in a foreign country and one of the mandatory things is to be fully on this work with no others things beside of it

[@kaden-sd6vb]

I need a job that has downtime like that... constant stress/focus is wearing me down to my limits at my current job

[@marshapelo9830]

9-5 sucks because hardly no time to do personal errands.

[@ponternal]

I work in an office and do most of my personal errands like banking, etc at work

[@Feber2001]

This. Working in health care, and you're expected to give 110% of yourself to others for 8+ hours. I find little to no time to get my own stuff done

[@talknight2]

The 40-hour work week was implemented at a time when most people lived in larger households and many women didn't have jobs so they did the errands.

[@Apeiron242]

Take time off.

[@chihirostargazer6573]

Most people work more than 9am-5pm... for many corporate office jobs it's 9am-6pm...they've added on another hour to torture people.

[@logoski589]

My 8 to 4 is tolerable now that I've negotiated it to full remote. Things are so much more bearable when i dont have to deal with coworkers in person. Also, no wasted time in a commute.

[@angelac1724]

Also longer days aren’t as bad due to no commute.

[@2dents513]

I've been in the work force for only 3 - 4 years. Cashier, waiter, over night deli. I've been over worked, underpaid, abused by customers, and I'm always tired, and my body hurts. Some how were always understaffed. If i could survive on my own, I'd live in the wild. All this bullshit just to not even afford to live on my own.

[@thatoneinsidejoke]

This! Why did I have to spend 12 years of my life in school learning things I’ve never used in real life when I could have been learning to survive in the wild and like… not rely on little green pieces of paper to make it through each month

[@TwanBankz]

i fw the last paragraph twin i could feel the frustration

[@RecessionHottie]

This is wild because these companies claim to be hiring but only post GHOST JOBS and store data on the applicants’ resumes to inflate their performance numbers🤬 Now recent graduates are being told having MULTIPLE internships/fellowships on top of grueling years of studying at credited universities isn’t even due to lack of “ experience” like WTF.

[@jonathanbaker4361]

Tell them no.

[@slowbro1337]

You can usualy spot this when they are like entry lvl job must have PHD, 6 years work in similar industry or service. Wage is 11.50hr to 14.50 depending on experience.

[@Not_interestEd-]

And people wonder why Gen Z/Millennials don't want to work. _Because we can't work a job, let alone one that pays enough Martha._

[@PaniniWasteland]

Yeah, they don't count your internship months as experience. It's pretty fucked up.

[@alvinhuynh3666]

Huh, no wonder why I've applied to so many jobs yet hear nothing back most of the time.

[@user-qp2ps1bk3b]

gig economy blew off not because it's more convenient or less "antiquated" but because people have no other choice. They work less than minimum wage hours with no employee protection or benefits just to get by. Gig economy is modern serfdom

[@designtechdk]

True

[@ErnaSolbergXXX]

No, this is the natural way of living. Its just very short period in human history where we have been factory workers.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

Legit, when you’re unemployed you take it, when companies see the benefit then that’s all they offer Now the ‘gigs’ are in abundance

[@tomlxyz]

No, with serfdom you're not allowed to leave. It is more like debt slavery where you work as much as possible to pay everything off

[@jacobmansfield-go9fz]

Regular employment is serfdom already, the gig economy is just a product of desperation

[@Turk_]

My old job would NOT let you clock in even a minute early and there were 110+ workers every day with ONE time clock. If you weren't first in line to clock in, you were being cheated.

[@kinggeoffrey3801]

Humans are animals. We are not designed to work full time on jobs that mean absolute nothing. There is reason we turn to drugs to numb the pain. There is a reason suicide and depression rates rise daily. I'm in my 40s, I have already worked 26 year's, the thought of having to do another 30 years is horrific.

[@RealBradMiller]

Yeah, I don't get, nor fall for that crap. Like people telling me I just have to get used to it. Been working since I was sixteen... Half my life... I think I know myself better, and I'm not gonna follow some BS crap just because the person telling me also fell for it. Society isn't gonna collapse without me, I can do what I love, everyone should think like that, and maybe the bad jobs will get better benefits and pay, because there are ppl who will take money over passion.

[@wolfman_jagermeistro8445]

Yup. Im 32. As soon as i get my land. Ill work as little as possible or only for when i want a new toy or tool or something.

[@CatgirlExplise6039]

@@RealBradMiller Society will collapse without you, it just also will collapse with you

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Yet we're in many was a very different kind of animal.

[@coolchameleon21]

forreal. imagine trying to force a group of monkeys to work a corporate 9-5. we’re biological organisms, we’re not designed for any of this

[@ebinrock]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - work structure should be based on RESULTS, not arbitrary hours, which does no one any good. However you get the results should be up to you, but the output would be the same, and that's the only thing that should matter for business.

[@tyranmcgrath6871]

Aye. Time's worth can change depending on effort and result. The incentive for time based work is poor.

[@kyprisdragonscale257]

You are one of the most intelligent individual I've seen today, Yes and it totally true but by doing Only Result you actually discriminating people, It not everyone who in perfect shape to do X physical job and it not everyone who are super smart to resolve problem, the Idea of X hours for money is to generalize the mass.

[@kyprisdragonscale257]

A place where there a good structure is generally in the position of being a boss. Now you got a good chunk of money for the Contract you done. As for the employee you want to give them only a slight piece of the cake. AKA the wage per hours. That how it work.

[@hollisterlasers-ion8939]

Great idea, I'll just ask for all of my customers to arrive in an orderly regular manner so I can make sure I'm always productive 🙄

[@sylinify]

This is how my Dad ran his small heating and cooling business, it was all about production, used to get paid 8 hours pay to complete the job, if we did it in 4 hours, still paid the same. Most of my work days under him I was gone 5 hours (high speed hours). This is how I run my business also, I love it.

[@xavier_lucas]

The AI boom is reshaping revenue streams, urging adaptation. we all lose our jobs and as a civilization, are ‘fracked’ according to my son lol.

[@Paullookman]

AI isn't job-stealing but simplifying work, especially if you are a creator with entrepreneurial spirit.

[@FranciszekPawal]

I am considering averaging down on PLTR's doubled stock; is it still a good buy or are we going to witness a dump?

[@xavier_lucas]

insider insights from mentors like tom lee, danielle martino booth or in my case monica Mary Strigle, are essential for navigating the market in this day and timer. I am 372.8% up in the past 2 years.

[@xavier_lucas]

In today's market, spending more for returns is the new norm. What I'm trying to say is, you now have to spend $100 to make $1, where before you could make $1 spending $50. And this is just going to get worse.

[@xavier_lucas]

Failing to see significant investment growth means falling behind in the market. What I'm trying to say is if you didn't turn your $50 into $100 in the last 5 years, then you got left behind and there is no catching up.

[@wackyswacky1374]

OTR trucker. Not paid hourly, paid by the mile. Literally "at work" 4 straight weeks at a time. 14 hour days. Co-driver takes over after my day finishes and switches places with me, drives his 11 - 14 hrs. Truck never stops moving. Paid nowhere near enough to compensate for massive time commitment. I have a +$100,000 college degree, unused. This is my life.

[@aiodensghost8645]

And this is why Im not gonna bother with college... it's just gonna go to waste

[@musicbyryan717]

This is why I left the 9-5 world many years ago. “Finding meaningless tasks to fill the time” got too old. No matter what job it was I hated my life. There’s so many jobs and services you can do working for yourself but a lot of people are afraid of the risk. To me there’s no risk when you get a better quality of life and time freedom.

[@milesjargon]

What do you do now that you’re not trapped in the 9-5 schedule?

[@rvh1702]

​@@milesjargon probably some music thing, considering his profile pic

[@milesjargon]

@@rvh1702 Oh yeah good point

[@angelac1724]

Hey congrats! That’s great.

[@michaelthayer5351]

The 9-5 doesn't even work for manufacturing either because it can quickly lead to overproduction. I work for a vehicle manufacturer and a lot of plants speculated on the market and built units they can't move, leading to production shutdowns. But the plant I work at is doing well because we only build confirmed orders but we don't have a fixed schedule. Every day we have a set number of units to build and we're done when those are built, so some days we're there 5 hours and others 10-11, but between generous overtime( double pay for hours over 40) and production bonuses it's actually a pretty good deal and how most manufacturing ought to be done honestly. Since every worker has a stake in the process being done efficiently as waste either of time or materials directly affects their production bonus, and they have an eye on quality as well since they know the better quality product the more orders we get and the more work and money we have.

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

Sadly that doesn't work if there isn't enough workers. Then you would always work 10-11 hours because by the time you are done with one order, the next one has already arrived.

[@SteelRyan]

Not offense but this seems to be a purely American problem then, I work in manufacturing in Austria and we have a very booked out efficient 24h three shift schedule and still have to work extra hours. Orders come and go in a very timely manner and rarely did we have supply line bottlenecks.

[@daltoonybob]

What do you make?

[@lavq7000]

While your make to order manufacturing strategy is not "bad" ( it has its pros and cons), it is definitely NOT the most cost efficient for a lot of products/industries. A manufacturer does not only has to take into account the personel hours into account, but also the fact that you have machines with a production capacity that should be put to use. Not using your machines you invested money in to their full capacity means you are losing a lot of value. And there is also the high costs associated with turning on and off the production line, increased waste, and the list goes on and on. Thats why most modern manufacturing companies have demand planning and supply chain planning that focuses in forecast and having safety stocks. That's a make to stock strategy (or that's how it was called when I learned about it). The focus is to attend your clients while ensuring time, quality and optimizing costs

[@ngf5077]

Keep production low so you can price gouge consumers. It’s not smart to produce surplus. Work ≠ charity

[@joem.7621]

Employers have now tacked an extra hour so it's 8-5 being expected. They do this with meeting placement and requirements.

[@kylegonewild]

And also the ridiculous idea of unpaid time for lunch. Humans eat food. Labor doesn't come from nowhere. Business literally requires calories to function. It should be a calculated cost.

[@lunam7249]

sneaky

[@RedRabbleRouser]

Same w travel to work. That’s not a off-time activity, it’s literally for work, yet we don’t get paid to sit in rush hour traffic twice a day, burning gas, wearing and tearing repairs, etc.

[@DylanKosher]

I was going to say the same. It’s absolutely disgusting. I think the real purpose of working such long hours is to keep us tired. If we have no energy to put into our passions and creativity, then we’re never getting out there. That is exactly what they want.

[@tdotitan8855]

​@@DylanKosher and then in order to cope we have our vices each with their own drawbacks. Alcohol, weed, video games, sex/porn, music, "passions/obsessions" It's like the joke from spongebob "we do this for 40 years and then we die, sounds pretty good to me" The scary thing is if we all worked together we could actually change something, but we have been beaten down and kept tired and told "nothing matters" so we don't try. We all want someone to martyr themselves for us but we aren't able to risk ourselves to make the world or our lives a better place. Makes you wonder I guess. And I am no different I am trying to be better but I have spend a good amount of my life running away via video games. Maybe one day things will change, but things will have to get to the tipping point and before then nothing will change, if you give people entertainment they will accept really bad things in life and just use escapism to pretend they are somewhere else.

[@ProDigit80]

The problem is overpaid managers, and CEOs. There is no reason anyone needs to be making twice as much as their base employees, while making less than 50% more hours.

[@b_hav_6365]

Wow that is a dumb argument. That level of pay is what motivates so called base employees to be good at the job and reach those positions.

[@nsreturn1365]

its not in every job, here in austria in not rare that you get only 150€ more then the base worker, cause they realised management is overpaid af and slowly are getting rid of it, promting many uni managemnet absolvents ahving no job. problem is, it was the only good paying jobs, so rn you either are your boss and have your own company or are struggling living. And no, having a small store does nothing you get quadruple fucked by taxes, where in summer the boss has less pay then the employers casue the sition is bad. And the goverment sees that annnnd incxreses taxes......sum it up i dont know how we are on top of the list of most livable countrys since having a job is so pointless, its just a thing to meet end. To top it of if you have a low wage , and go jobless, som cause there is a minimum set, you will get the same you earned in the job but from the country.@@b_hav_6365

[@sergiolandz6056]

or having too many bosses, where i work, we have a director, assistant director, department manager, area supervisor then another supervisor for the crew... Unreal.

[@2dents513]

​@@b_hav_6365your joking right? Know what, don't even answer.

[@Gia_P.]

So u think the person who flipped a burger with a GED or even a HS student should be paid more than half of the person dealing with a billion dollar budget? One employee messes up and a burger is burnt, the other employee screws up, and company goes bankrupt. One needs more education and experience than the other.

[@Nolanmeows]

My clinical research job requires me to be in the office 7-4 Monday-Thursday and 7-11 on Friday. I’m so unbelievably when I get home after doing nothing and rotting in my office. Office jobs have no business having such long shifts and not allowing remote work.

[@Atticus77]

In the tech sector, where I work, I've personally seen an increase in hiring contract workers. They are typically not their own boss, but are employed by a contracting agency. Further, they are expected to work M-F during regular business hours just like regular full-time staff. And as this video points out, they have no health benefits, company pension, vacation, or severance entitlements unlike their full-time colleagues. Contract work is not the end of the 9-5 work week. It's a factor in the overall "shit-ification" of work in general. I also note that when publicly traded companies announce mass layoffs, their stock price goes up. What a time to be alive!

[@manofsteel9051]

Probably a good thing. Tech workers needed this humbling. They have been overpaid for far too long

[@frontrangejrs]

@@manofsteel9051Not everyone in tech is a programmer or paid well.

[@s3renity274]

@@manofsteel9051Not really. Like they said most tech positions are contact workers. Tech workers get screwed and these companies make BILLIONS. It’s honestly a horrible industry.

[@aluisious]

@teel9051 Work on your class consciousness.

[@darthredraider8128]

@@manofsteel9051 Tech is a very broad sector. Everything from min wage tech support to devs who bring in 7 figures. Most tech workers aren't overpaid at all.

[@endrankluvsda4loko172]

I've been working the 9 to 5 life for the last 5 years and absolutely hate it. I really do like the job, but I'm always so tired, and I sit in traffic 2 hours each day since I'm trying to go to work then home at the exact same time as everyone else. It's really exhausting and tedious. I swear I've aged by 15 years in just the last 5.

[@herono-4292]

Courage bro

[@leugimrc]

Same boat. And how can we get a part time? Irealístic ,

[@ma.2099]

Find a gym Near your work. Gives you a reason to leave early to stay later to exercise and miss all the traffic. Plus shower which saves on your water bill. I find that a shot of pre workout and the work out, prior to working makes the day sooooo much easier. While others need an “hour to wake up” I’ve been awake for hours and crushing it. Then I find so much more free time during the day which allows me to hide out and find a spot to read or just hang out for a few minutes

[@benjaminfernandez104]

your car aged heckful to i put 100k on my truck going to work i comute 185 k a day roughly

[@fruitypebblez4309]

You must live in atlanta then.

[@SquiddyJ]

My last job as a mechanic at sprint transport, my hours were 7am to 6pm Monday through Friday and Saturday was forced overtime and the only break we had was lunch of 30 minutes while my foreman could up and walk out to grab lunch with his wife for 3 hours and nobody would bat an eye but I accidentally forgot to clock out for lunch and i get threatened with termination. By far one of the worst jobs I’ve had and one of the shortest jobs ever, only working 40 days.

[@AbdulRahman-vy7ko]

I am glad you are out of that job 🫂

[@12pentaborane]

Is sprint that trucking company that gets memed about crashing trucks?

[@Tota11yNotAnFBIAgent]

I work from 6:30am to 6:00pm 5 days a week. It takes me a half an hour to get to and from work. I’m paid close to nothing for the amount of hours I put in. I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t know what to do with myself on my day off, I get kinda depressed. I live with my brother and don’t make enough to get my own place. Why is society like this?

[@luvair6765]

Wish I knew. Had a conversation with my dad where he finally realized I know how shitty the work culture is. It's depressing

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Because the System got corrupted by communists, traitors, and undercover foreign enemies in sheep clothings, and it's designed this way for the benefit of enemy. I'm telling you the straight up truth. It is not by coincidence. Get it through yalls head!! It. Is NOT. By Coincidence!!!!!

[@williambrennan5701]

I've had many different jobs. About the only place a real actual 9 to 5 makes since is banks and other government type work. Anything else your just as likely to twiddle your thumbs or have to work long hours. I have seen people actually be fired ( BIG crane operator) because companies wanted him to do busy work (sweep out shipping containers) and he refused. This cost the company many tens of thousands of dollars or more idk for sure later that day because there was only 2 operators including him on shift there that day. It took a month to replace him with a way slower operator so they paid massive overtime covering his spot and to make up for the speed, meanwhile he was working THAT day for the company next door , not having to sweep. Busy work really costs companies money. Instead of paying that man his 40 or 50 an hour for a few hours to chil waiting on a delayed ship they cost themselfs 100x that in the end. The company stopped making crane operators do busy work after that and the supervisor was fired. I know this is an extreme example just one ill never forget. The 9 to 5 is a broken system for all but a few places.

[@underleft]

That doesn't prove it's broken. It works a lot more than not. When I got out of the Marines I worked construction as a carpenter apprentice and we never had enough time, so much OT requires to finish. Then I got my degree and worked in Networking, same story, long days to finish and late nights fixing issues. Then I moved to Software development and it's even worse, lots of long days and crunch time. My dad was a contract manager for the largest electrical conpany in the state and he was constantly on the phone nights and weekends fixing shit and preparing bids. He got a lot of high dollar bonuses, but he never had time for anything. Food service workers have to be there for entire shifts, grocery store workers, drivers, packagers, etc. hell, tons of industries require an entire 8 hour day.

[@mass9213]

@@underleftthat does solve the issue of our time being exchanged as a goods in return for scraps

[@JorgetePanete]

you're* themselves* I'll*

[@MrChoklad]

​@@underleftthat's a different story entirely. Jobs that require too much OT are places where there is a clear lack of personnel//skill//tools//organization (usually people), and goes for restaurants big time. In restaurants it is very much required for you to be present for all the shift, but that's a service type of job where you're literally dealing with people, you're producing by interacting with the people that come to eat. In kitchens on the other hand it's a hard sell to say there's not much to do for big stretches of time, there's always something to do in a restaurant kitchen and in these cases the main culprit is lack of organization.

[@jamesbohling4864]

Willing to bet that supervisor was yelled at by his boss, when the big boss saw the crane operator "doing nothing ".

[@BIGGlep]

as someone with ADHD i would rather die than spend 8 hours doing nothing, trapped in an office where i got my work done in 3. Remote work and/or flexible hour/consulting roles will be it for me for the foreseeable future

[@Lonewolf3515]

Give me any job. Idc at this point. -_- I can't get hired for the life of me despite nothing being wrong with my background. I don't know witaf is going on nowadays.

[@drakkiusgaming]

​@@Lonewolf3515If I had to guess, you should probably look for ways to add keywords to your resume so it doesn't get filtered out by AI. There are a few online guides for that.

[@alicegay4286]

If you dont mind getting a little bit smaller wage job, i think you should try normal job. Nowadays recruiters want their interviewee who should have more than 5 years exp for an entry level job. That is why no one send their resume and the company keep saying no one wants to work anymore

[@llewxam2469]

We are the same brother ❤️

[@gummywurms226]

As someone with ADHD, I disagree. I am most productive when I'm in the office as it forces me to focus on what I need to do. I also thought like you once, couldn't imagine working a desk job then I found something I am passionate about and now I work a 9-5 and love it.

[@alexs4112]

The biggest problem for me with 9-5 was sitting time. 7 hours in a car per week, 20 hours of meeting, sitting for about 30 hours a week was a lot and caused health issues. I’ve transition to remote and had no back pain since then. I can walk and move around the house as I’m the meetings and be more productive. I’m in IT.

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

i remember working a college job during my undergrad standing by to fill containers and when i tried to check my phone for the time to get to my next class, since there was no clock on the wall, one of the old employees ratted me out yelling at me that i cant look at my phone.....the other student i was working with defended me saying we weren't doing anything and she was just like "it doesn't matter, youre still working". like lady, we're refilling food containers for college students not security look out at an expensive museum

[@davidbe3560]

Power exists at all levels great or small - you were in her empire, her domain.

[@Elliesbow]

work Karen's are the WORST!

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

@@davidbe3560 power is only as real as far as your bullets can reach. and all it takes is one bullet

[@sergiolandz6056]

@@Elliesbow Yes they are, you know what you do with them ? Act stupid and work slow they will get even more mad, then you get a bottle of fart spray and let hell break loose where the karen works... Let me tell ya, fart spray works like a charm where you have to deal with idiots at work.

[@YaBoiJuice]

She needs to mind her own damn business, I hate mfs like this 🙄

[@SciaticaDrums]

I will no longer interview for non-remote jobs. I've commuted for 40 years. I've logged well over a million miles. I'm done. It took 7 months but I landed my ideal software QA position. Literally everything I do there I can do here and save a boat load of $ and wear and tear on my vehicle.

[@matrxzeno4761]

Yup, I'm an undergrad and once I stock up on mentorship experience and internships, after graduating I will ONLY accept remote positions for my career. There will be no negotiating about it.

[@SciaticaDrums]

@@matrxzeno4761I'm glad your generation has the option. I commuted for over 30 years.

[@ChuloInYourCulo]

​@matrxzeno4761 lmao good luck to you. But man, someone who hasn't even finished getting their bachelor's, with no relevant post-grad work experience to their field, really thinking they can just demand remote work as soon as they graduate is hilariously pretentious. When you finally join us in the real world, you'll see how things actually work. Hopefully you don't get crushed by the realization that you have zero leverage to a company. Have fun being unemployed or working retail chief

[@matrxzeno4761]

@@ChuloInYourCulo which is why I said I'm going to stock up on a bunch of experience to be in a position to DEMAND those things. Your reading comprehension gives away your incompetence and its easy to see why you are miserable. Work towards a future where you are the one to demand value from people, not the other way around. I won't be joining the 9-5 sheep, and I will do everything within my power to insure that.

[@shoazdon7000]

America really is so s***, you guys don’t even have access to good cheap public transport. It’s just driving everywhere you go and don’t get me wrong I love to drive but damn sometimes a train is nice too

[@Quack_attack_]

I worked 6-7 days a week all throughout my 20s and it cost me relationships and time with my family and really didn't get me anywhere so I spent my early 30s setting myself up to live cheaper now at 38 I work 4 on 4 off and there is no way I could ever go back to that grind , this is the best my life has ever been

[@Toxic_0_]

When you work for a business, essentially they are buying a fraction of your life time. The idea that they are entitled to any more of your life because it fits their needs is ridiculous.

[@riku3716]

There is no such thing as "reasonable unpaid overtime". Employer getting/wanting/asking/demanding any work unpaid is always unreasonable by definition and this needs to be gotten into law.

[@cahdoge]

There is, temporarily. If you have a time account and get time off, by the amount of overtime you did.

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

Remember, unpayed work is technically slavery.

[@harveypolanski755]

When employees slack off and don’t work while on the clock it’s “wage fraud”. When employers demand employees work extra hours without pay its “reasonable”. This ridiculous double standard needs to end.

[@Franky566]

it is. you HAVE to pay your employees any time you assign them any duty. if you dont pay for overtime, you are also liable. People can and will go to jail over this.

[@Franky566]

@@cahdogeno, no, no. any hours over 40 per week is overtime. by law. mandatory. no exceptions. (unless salary)

[@fhdb478]

I once worked on an engineering project where basically all software development was outsourced to contractors. The idea may sound great for the manager, but the reality is that those contractors regularly changed and had to be onboarded for months, often refacturing large chunks of the code base before they could start to work effectively. It once took a contractor 9 full work days to complete a task that the previous full-time-employee would have performed in 5 minutes. As far as I know, the company is returning to permanently staffing positions.

[@SomeUniqueHandle]

Our outsourcing to an Indian contracting company saved us NEGATIVE millions. Any time they had a question, they'd stop all work for the night and wait for us to come in to help out, no matter how minor the question. We were all supposed to be re-assigned to other projects in 3 - 6 months, once their team had fully ramped up. I was finally re-assigned elsewhere 18 months later. The 2 year project took over 5 years.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@SomeUniqueHandle Good

[@Ikbeneengeit]

Our management loves outsourcing projects but doesn't know how, so the internal engineers end up re-designing the entire product once it's "finished". But at least some VP got his bonus for "saving money".

[@sjg9887]

Yes, I manage a team and i hate it when we have to use contractors. It is impossible to control that they actually do the amount of work you expect them to in the time they should. They bill by the hour and the longer they take to do something the better for them… and I just don’t have the time to micro manage them to ensure they are doing efficient work. Often the result is what you describe. Contractors taking and billing several hours for something in house could be done in minutes

[@scottsnyder2726]

I’m 65 and retiring at the same time my company is moving my group to a Managed Service Provider. So I have been training and writing lots of documentation; with short, specific instructions for defined tasks, along with higher level overview incorporating totality of job. Never fails after coming back from PTO (I have a lot or I lose it) when something that literally takes me 3 minutes has not been completed, and there is now an email chain with sometimes a dozen or more back and forths reaching multiple VPs. I complete the task in minutes, respond to email chain attaching already existing work instructions with now highlighted needed lines. I have, in the past agreed to get on recorded Teams sessions where I walk through the steps I have already documented and trained, but it’s getting old! I’m now declining their invitations to retrain again. I still have a lot more documentation to complete involving much more complex responsibilities. The in-house manager of the transition originally scheduled 3 hour sessions to go over my documentation. She stated at the time we would likely not use all the time allotted. It has evolved into daily 90 minute sessions where we are lucky to fully cover 2-3 documents. I’m still writing 2-10 documents a day depending on my regular workload. I can’t wait to be done with the insanity!!

[@austins9809]

Love working three 12s as an RN. Self scheduling and set hours with opportunity for extra pay is great, but what makes it the best is having more off days than on days and still being considered full time.

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

i work 4 10s so i can have 3 day weekends... but i'm basically tired all the time.

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

That's why I refuse to be a Licence Practical Nurse. I ain't doing all that butt wipe, yall do it!

[@MackDaddyVic]

Can we just fuckin get rid of this 9-5 bullshit? Can we stop this whole “work 5 days a week, 40 hours a week, with 2 weeks vacation per year” bullshit? Can we just fucking stop it already? Enough is enough man. Fucking hell. Humanity needs to work out a new system.

[@kylegilmore3810]

Oh we had that system. Friendly reminder 15th century serfs worked 14 weeks a year. All those gorgeous cathedrals that people pay to go visit? Built voluntarily during leisure time lol

[@donfanucci1766]

the boomers got way too coddled by it.. its what they sold their identities to it.. workplace will be entirely diffrent when you start seeing them age out

[@Schumanized]

It is frustrating, castrating and soul crunching. Also the micromanaging is so stressful. I sold my detailing business last september after 6 years and got an offer from a company. Now i'm regreting it so badly. This shit needs to end.

[@Ramenkittie]

If you made one successful company, you could do it again, and probably better and easier for you this time around. It will be a lot of work, but you seem used to that. :)

[@evials9123]

Get over yourself lmao

[@kyprisdragonscale257]

why on earth you would be a boss then sold your company then turn back and become a employee? That just show me you have zero to no experience in life period. That tell me as well that company you own was giving it to you either by a family member or a friend

[@slite2k59]

you were your own boss then you went to trade that off for probably not even that good of money to be an employee Everyone has their reasons but geez

[@TheBigBigSean]

Don't worry the replacement people coming through the border will do it even cheaper.

[@burchified]

Now tell me why I make more money as a union security guard working 48 hours per week doing prectically nothing than I would as a therapist in a state of perpetual burnout

[@penis_owner]

Because you protect capital, which is more valuable than people

[@ilbgentyl]

Because people will always undercut others for a job they don’t plan to stay at. Unions do the same just in a more round about way.

[@skyranger1366]

You make more because as a union worker because you are more resistant to at-will employment. Your boss can still fire you but it has to be within the confines of a union contract. Making it considerably harder for him to get rid of you and replace you. Thus you have more bargaining power and a higher wage. A therapist is typically not a union member and is thus at the mercy of the fikel nature of employers. And while a therapist may do more they are paid less than a union security guard because the employer can get rid of them without consequence.

[@tw8464]

​@@skyranger1366 exactly

[@roberts1677]

Probably because you're union and your union actually does what it's supposed to.

[@cfurrow2468]

There was an IT company I once worked for, here I met multiple mid to high level techs that while working from home would come to virtual work, and spend almost all day playing video games, and after the 9 to 5 they would start there acutal work. The reason they did this is while they were playing games they were avalible to help lower level engineers when they needed assitance, and becasue they didn't want to be distracted from bigger projects all the time they would work on those in the evening. I don't know how there pay situation was setup, but it worked for them and they enjoyed it that way.

[@SDVGUY]

The 9 to 5 I worked was seasonal also... During "peak" high demand season Oct-March hrs were longer to help keep up with demand. This worked out well due to off season when demand is low April-Sept, it gave us time to rebuild stock in order to be ready for the extra demand of the product. This "cycle" works with our company & continues to for over 40 plus years. We Manufacture & recycle & repair our products give our customers variety with both new, & used every year.

[@Ziggy7411]

I've never actually worked a 9-5 job. It's always 8-5 with an unpaid lunch break.

[@richardscathouse]

America sucks 🤮

[@Anonymous-ow6jz]

7-4 with a paid lunch break here

[@ReplicantBattyman]

Same, Im genuinely jealous of people who work a 9-5. Imagine getting to leave an hr early every day

[@giygas9305]

I’ve rarely worked 40 hour weeks. I’m usually working about 8 hours of overtime.

[@leapace9480]

How do you work 7-4 with a paid lunch break? That would be 7-3. Unless they are paying you 5 hours of overtime per week

[@robd7934]

In corporate banking I've had jobs where there was simply too much work to complete in an 8 hour day and jobs where I had nothing to do most of the day so I had to pretend to be busy. In my experience, this imbalance is due to terrible management, which is all too common in the workplace. Bad managers and executives are terrible at resource planning and rarely get fired for it. I've seen management go on huge hiring sprees only to have massive layoffs just a few short years later after they realized how expensive all those additional employees were.

[@Simon-gv8qq]

For you personally, which has been the worse experience?

[@MrChoklad]

Bad management is the plague of the modern workplace. We work with more and more technology and people and with projects much more complex than before, and still management never seems to be a problem that is tackled effectively.

[@robd7934]

@Simon-gv8qq I've had managers that were completely aloof and couldn't be bothered with supporting the team and I've had the extreme opposite- the micro manager. My worst experience by far was working for a micro manager. These people will make your life miserable. Constantly hassling you for status updates all the time, meetings, and generally always on your ass. You wonder how these control freaks get any of their own work done.

[@Lessenjr]

​@@MrChoklad yes. The way I see it, management is a role that is high demand/low supply, but does not pay well enough for the scarcity (the people that actually have the skills etc to be good at it). Most entry level managers are abysmal at it and the middle managers are often equally as poor at helping them get better at it.

[@michawojtas8468]

I feel like today managers primarily manage... Their own managers. They almost never focus on work of their subordinates. The most time and effort they invest is into their bosses - to suck up to them, to not look bad, to fix their mistakes

[@reikiwizard7778]

I couldn’t imagine working unpaid overtime . I would quit 100%

[@Nyloxmc]

But what if you couldn't, imagine you need to pay bills 😢

[@wolfman_jagermeistro8445]

​@Nyloxmc how are you paying bills with unpaid overtime?

[@aapzehrsteurer9000]

​@@wolfman_jagermeistro8445 ur deformed not getting them paid by quitting your job if you can't get a new one easily

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

When I worked in retail it was pretty common for our store to increase opening hours every couple months. When I started it was open from 9-8, when I left it was open from 7-11. Because of this many employees were no longer willing to work their closing shifts because they either had family they wanted to spend time with or also had opening shifts that same week which would destroy their schedule. Because of this the company just mandated that if you don’t have a fully open 7-11 7 days a week schedule then you can’t work full time and receive benefits. Workers have zero rights and are basically owned by their employers because the employers know that most people can’t afford to go without work for any period of time and the job market is actual trash.

[@randomuserame]

I quit my job last summer. I got a call from a hospital saying my mom was in surgery and there were complications. Apparently "you still need to perform at 100%" even despite that being what I woke up to that day. I'd love to work again.... I *_REFUSE_* to work for a corporate automaton. In fact, I refuse to work at all unless *I'M* the boss. Because most people in authority are incompetent, and/or don't have the spine to make tough calls... like telling THEIR boss "No; because while you'll get your Q1 bonus, it's not good for us long-term and you'll be the one out of a job, after you no longer have me to cover for you."

[@richardscathouse]

First-world problems. One of my workers wanted time off for his mom's surgery... I asked if he was performing the surgery! 😂😂😂😂

[@lime148]

​@@richardscathouse I'm so glad I'll live to see a world without you and your pathetic ilk 😂

[@thekatprincess]

@@richardscathouseyou’re a sociopath

[@aviewer9516]

@@richardscathouse What's wrong with giving someone time off for their mother's surgery? Most people like to be in the waiting room because complications can happen within seconds and you want to be there just in case it does. I would have absolutely allowed that - it's called humanity.

[@danielmoylan3033]

@dscathouse You live in the first world. Humans generally have customs that dictate it's ok to grieve and mourn. Actually, in the third world, they can take all the time they want. Are you saying that people in the third world are somehow more privileged than the workers that you supervise?

[@Leep_Actual]

I’m so fortunate to be a farmer. Work outside all day, make my own hours.

[@milesjargon]

Do you have your own farm that u work on?

[@Leep_Actual]

@@milesjargon Yes. My father, my brother in law, and I. Farming the same ground my family has since 1845.

[@milesjargon]

@@Leep_Actual Thats awesome

[@redman6790]

@@Leep_Actualliving the best life. Enjoy it man

[@p2p104]

Since 1845 ? Holy cow, that is some family treasure! Not such thing in Europe, since we had bolshevik pigs running show.@@Leep_Actual

[@MOZINGO801114]

This was great! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and creating this excellent piece of content

[@nyonsmith6621]

This video described my work situation to the T. At the end of 2023 my fulltime position as a copywriter was moved to a contractor role. For months I've been turning their reasoning over and over in my head, but it wasn't until this video that I began to understand the *potential* reasoning.

[@jwanie366]

My company switched to 4-day 10-hour shifts earlier this month, and while the work days have been a little more tiring for me so far, I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually. But having a third day off every week has made these longer working days so much worth it imo

[@forresttilghman1098]

It's good when it's just 40.... On overtime though and a regular thing its worse then 8 hour shifts.. 6 10 is worse then 6 8 hour shifts

[@orangeportals]

@@forresttilghman1098”6-10 is worse than 6-8” no shit? lol.

[@kevinrichard1020]

My company does this, minimum is 4 10s Monday through Thursday. It’s a blessing, typical many of us still work Friday mornings (for time and half) but it’s never looked down upon if u don’t work Friday morning. Even so 6am to 10/11am Friday and still having the rest of the day off isn’t too bad. Plus that time and half is a nice little boost.

[@FreqstyleRedux]

@@forresttilghman1098 So true, my factory job started as a 4 10's job for the first year but then COVID struck and we were essential workers and the work hours extended into 5 10's and they were not hiring new people during the pandemic so by 2022 we lost a few people due to new opportunities elsewhere and they never got replace but demand kept going up so we ended up at 6 10's before I got burnt out and ended up leaving. Crazy enough the pressure pushed me into finding a new job elsewhere working 30-40 based on demand and making even more than I did working nonstop OT at the old factory. So maybe it was a blessing they pushed me away so hard?

[@ariavachier-lagravech.6910]

This reminds me of a joke "We ought to teach kid to prepare for the future and yet they are being bored stiffs 3/4 of the time in schools" "Well I think being bored stiffs 3/4 of the time is an excellent preparation for working life" The joke is written 60 years ago, basically saying people almost doesn't work at all in the office because they actually have nothing to do and they are just given mindless unimportant work to fill the time.

[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

Government "work" is not

[@FacelessBillions]

true, I honestly don't see the point of being forced to work for 8 hours 5 days a week, instead of teaching productivity so employees can do the same tasks in like 2 hours 4 days a week or something (plus, add to that the fact that it's rare for someone to be able to do more than 3-4h of actual focused work per day, let alone 8, and much less under artificial lights in an office job)

[@Franky566]

@@FacelessBillionsyou really think it is physicaly possible to work for 15 hours a week and acomplish anything? have you worked in your life?

[@ZanathKariashi]

Hey, not everyone is lucky enough to be a congressman.

[@FacelessBillions]

yes, 15h/week is enough when used well and very productively (and when other useless tasks are automated)@@Franky566

[@fivedaysinjune]

The managers are also hamstrung and under a lot of stress. So, they pass that stress onto everybody else. I was in a govt job for too long. Endured bullying, overwork, under resourcing, low pay, endless meetings, senior managers who thought they were celebs. We were force fed pointless concepts and anyone who resisted, got pushed out. I quit and now work with the disabled & have more free time. But some of those negatives I mentioned are starting to crop up. 🙁

[@olympiaelda1121]

I am doctor working not in a hospital but in a private office. My boss is the dream. She allows me to work tge hours I want (so I am working 12-18 on Mondays), lets me off any time I need and or want. Pays me after the job done. Basically I am deciding for myself when and if I work, how many hours, etc. as long as I fit into the discussed limit and she is super eager to give me a raise if I overachieve. I have never been this motivated in my life.

[@clinthoelting3479]

I worked as a cowboy for 20 years. Contrary to the romantic image, it is one of the worst jobs there is. Long hours, low pay, no benefits. Then I began purchasing livestock, goats at first, and then cattle. I now own land and livestock. The cattle are growing and procreating 24/7, continuously creating wealth for me. Assets are the key that unlocks the prison door.

[@AnnatarLordOfGifts]

All my exs live in Texas

[@AlexSchwartzATV]

@@AnnatarLordOfGifts Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys

[@aptmix]

amen, cowboy

[@belowfreezing89]

I never romanticized the cowboy occupation.

[@BladeEdge77]

@@AnnatarLordOfGiftslmao

[@slmille4]

One thing this misses is that service workers can also be knowledge workers, and all the baby boomers who are about to retire from jobs they've had for decades represent a huge amount of institutional knowledge that won't be passed on to contractors who only expect to be with the company for 2-3 years. There doesn't seem to be any plan to deal with the hollowing out of this institutional knowledge that is already underway.

[@Volkbrecht]

How much of that is there, really? I have been in the workforce for about 25 years at this point, and even for me some of what I learned during that time has already been made redundant by technical progress. Plus, how many companies do have departments filled exclusively with oldtimers? People are always leaving and retiring, this will smooth itself out like it always has.

[@slmille4]

@@Volkbrecht "how many companies do have departments filled exclusively with oldtimers" Almost all of them, that's why baby boomers have so much more wealth. HMW has done several videos about this.

[@WowLookatThat-xu5eb]

That's the societal problem with entry-level jobs needing more and more experience: the people who've been alive long enough to HAVE that experience are mostly retiring or dying, and companies refuse to train new employees, meaning there will never be enough people with 5-10 years of experience for jobs that need it. Jobs vital to a company's function that ACTUALLY need 5-10 years of experience will have to hire people with zero experience just to stay in business, leading to less profits, which will lead to lower stock prices, which will lead to bankruptcy anyways.

[@tw8464]

Excellent point.

[@tw8464]

​@@WowLookatThat-xu5eb exactly

[@fruitypebblez4309]

I work hybrid now. 3 days office 2 days home, alternating weeks with 2 days office and 3 days home. Its so much better to have a couple of work fron home days. I am not as exhausted. And i can get the workout done in the daytime instead of forcing myself to do it at night when i am to mentally exhausted to do so. They actually get more work from me now because i likw working when its dark and night time. And i get tons done before bed. I work extra hrs at home because i dont have to travel.

[@JamesAllen-xk8bc]

Thank you for this. Your points have been on my mind for a long time. In my lifetime of work, I've seen it everywhere; people at work, with no work that needs doing, have to pretend to be busy. Bullsh*t Jobs covers this, as well.

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

Isnt it CRAZY that corporates dont realize that this hurts them as well?? Oh wait they dont care..

[@RuSosan]

*Corpos:* "Hue hue magic line BRRRRRR go up for shareholders this quarter! Huh? "Long term stabili-" pffft don't swear at me!"

[@qedsoku849]

Are you seriously claiming that corporations don't care about money? I think you have to understand that corporations will do anything for money, good or bad.

[@SacredCASHcow]

​@@qedsoku849 too big to fail

[@thomasseeber-sf2ux]

​@@qedsoku849 Corporate people usually don't understand much sadly. Most companies only work because laborers kill themselves for a cruddy paycheck despite poor management.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@qedsoku849 eternal bailouts

[@Talon97]

Luckily for me I work in a liquor store. Lot of miserable, depressed people which means business is booming and my paycheck is looking nice.

[@HShango]

Muh money

[@sergiowinter5383]

You could use your profits to buy or build a pharmacy shop, then you can double your profits with miserable customers!

[@ltyarv8071]

Drugs also do much money, too many miserable Americans paying over the original price just to hit it

[@Syronto81]

Damn I can't lie I had to laugh out loud for this one because its so true LMFAO

[@UpUpDnDnLtRtLtRtBAStart]

@@Syronto81 Its the main reason channels like this succeed. Benefiting off of people's frustrations with our "system"

[@GodSejeong]

Worked as a hall manager for about 1.5 year at a restaurant that serves both buffet & fine dining. Work starts at 7:00 and ends at 20:30 ~ 22:00 (depending on reservations we had). No idea why I stayed for that long, not to mention that the boss didn't bother to hire more workers that I had to do stuff like dishwashing and kitchen works (preparing foods, cleaning the kitchen, etc), working nine consecutive days at some point, and they would sometimes tell me to drive other workers to the restaurant on my off days. The staffs were also kinda "forced" to pay for lunch (which is the buffet leftovers). Really glad I quit the job.

[@kaitlingraham]

I've noticed this shift over the last few years. This video did a great job of putting it into words with facts behind it. I think within the next 10 years we'll see contract work become the norm and the 9-5 be an outlier.

[@marianhunt8899]

Flexibility to be poorer. I love how this awful system is sold as something positive.

[@EliSkylander]

Some value time and flexibility over money. Not "instead of," but "over."

[@spankeyfish]

@@EliSkylander Mortgage providers will not.

[@user-lh5kn8tv4f]

Best comment here 👌

[@user-lh5kn8tv4f]

" A race to the bottom "

[@bobby5678-ck2tc]

Some of us are fine i make 600$ an hour doing private contracts when i was barley making 40$/h doing a 9-5 so much better get in the trades so many people are needed here and the pay is amazing. I am only in my fourth year of plumbing and make almost 400k a year from my private contracts.

[@JuzefaWingedCat]

Also, the places I need to spend money at (hairdresser, dentist, doctor, clothing store, etc.) work the same 9-5 like me. So I have no way of spending the money where I need, so it ends up in spent on things I don't need.

[@richardscathouse]

I've been cutting my own hair for over fifty years.. Doctor? Stop the bleeding and let go. Dentist? Does it really hurt that bad?? 😂😂😂 as for the rest. I could never afford a wife. Sometimes had live in the car. Cut the Mayberry BS. Most of us only saw that on TV; life is hard 😢

[@goomaboi]

@@richardscathouse Life is what you make of it, although not fair. Sounds like you've never learned from mistakes, although resilient.

[@katydid2877]

Wow, where do you live? I’ve never lived anywhere that any of the jobs you listed were not open at night and on weekends, or by appointment, whenever that is. Weird.

[@adamkalb1]

Congratulations on making 1 million submarines!!! You have now reached gold play button status. It was about time for a smart, informative channel like How Money Works to reach that tier of channels.

[@GregAllison]

I wish I would’ve found this video when it was released. I’ve spent the past 3 months going through full-time job interviews (as many as 5 weeks deep on one company, only to be rejected), when I could’ve been doubling-down on freelance work.

[@angus7278]

We’ve reduced our human selves to nothing more than units of consumption and production all in service to the super-rich, and we don’t even question it anymore.

[@H..M..]

Well, 40%+ goes to the government, and you don’t even mention it.

[@ludicrousreality0]

it was always so. You people are acting as if serfdom and feudalism was not the norm before

[@fra4262]

​@@ludicrousreality0 Even serfdom and feudalism were by necessity systems tailored around humans, capitalism is explicitly based on production and sales and nothing more. We need to realize that 3/4 of the world is marginalized, superexploited and used as a landfill by the 1/4 that composes the first world and even people in it increasingly live like shit, this system doesn't work for anyone anymore and on top of that it's killing the life and the nature of our planet

[@dawert2667]

At least with feudalism your lord would provide your housing and protect you with their knights and their wall, and you were allowed to shelter in their castle and gather resources from their land for yourself. Today you are luckily to have your lord pay for your health insurance

[@atzingarciaa]

bruh go back before then lololol?? Homo sapiens have 300k years on this planet, were we units of consumption and production when we were hunting for food? Foraging berries? Making our little shelter? fuck outta here with that argument much love though. @@ludicrousreality0

[@AMcGrath82]

As someone who has never worked less than an 8-to-5 or 9-to-6, I can honestly say it infuriates me to hear people still refer to the workday like it was back when we had strong unions.

[@genjidora8742]

I am fortunate to have retired young, so I have a cushion between myself and what I want to do with my life and what corporate America expects each life to do when they become an adult. I have always felt the corporate umbrella doesn't treat us like human beings. None of us consented to be here, and it makes me extremely anxious and angry to see the only life we get is to be spent working our asses off for some idea, concept, or nepotist psychopath that expects you to serve them and their stupid company, and only have enough time off to get just enough sleep to go serve them again, forever, until you die or are physically and mentally incapable. We have parents that can't even raise their children. Children that aren't properly cared for by their parents who are shooting up their schools. Literal corporate child neglect and abuse of human beings. What we need to do is worry less about unsustainable, backbreaking record company profits that only a smug few, who do none of the work, will benefit from, and worry more about chilling tf out and actually living our lives. This isn't what life is about, and it disgusts me because every time I go outside I'm surrounded by bullshit and highways and construction and so, so, so many people moving at a billion mph. It's gross. Live small, eat healthy, don't drink, exercise, take fewer financial risks so you're not a money cow for some predatory scam meant to keep you down and dependent on working, and live with your family longer. The whole individualist culture we've created for ourselves is not compatible and healthy with this unhealthy work culture we have. If you're young and have friends, live with them so you pay less in rent if you can't live with your parents in a home already available to you. Save that money, wait to have children until you're absolutely certain you can be a good parent to them (give them your time and undivided attention). This system is rigged, broken, and stupid. No, I have no solutions. I do not want to participate in it and just want people to be able to relax and be at peace.

[@shannondavis1401]

Preach

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

You're right on everything, except the broken part. It is not broken, but it is working exactly like it's supppoed to. Instead of us being at the top, the System intentionally corrupt, this System is working against us, and it will come to a point of collapse if it is not corrected. We are also to blame, but most definitely it's all these PRIVATE, mega-Corporations, and the Government's fault. It is not by coincidence!! All this mess did not just happen by happenstance!!!!!

[@adecakaship2486]

My job is 100% work from home and I can work whenever and wherever I want. It's 35 hours a week and it's paid like a 40 hours job. They have a familly first policy and they just want us to be available to answer the phone from 9-4 in case a member needs help. I can choose to work 4 hours on monday and even less if I want and just work more hours during the rest of the week or even on the weekend. I have full control over most of my projects, so I can easily manage my schedule all by myself. It's like having the lifestyle of a freelancer, but with a bigger sense of financial security. There's a tone of jobs trying to change things (at least here in Canada) and I'm really happy, because I've been miserable with work for over 10 years.

[@shannondavis1401]

Are they hiring? Lol.

[@angelac1724]

Fellow Canadian here! It’s nice to hear of a shift happening. Also, congrats on the great work environment! I’m a remote contractor and love the flexibility too. I don’t get those benefits though (small business).

[@dee23gaming]

With my first ever job, I used to work 14 hours a day, 5 days a week, and on top of that, worked another 8 hours on Saturdays. And this was an office job in stressful work conditions and with terrible people... with freezing ass cold air conditioning and bright lights. I left that whole career field because I was so shocked mentally and physically. I thought that's what work was gonna be like for the rest of my life. I would come home shivering from all the stress I had to face, and I would just stare into the void late at night, dreading the next day. I can't imagine someone doing this while living by themselves. I would just unalive myself at that point. There's no time for shit, and I live with my parents too, like wtf?!

[@goomaboi]

You haven't accepted it yet. Start milking what you can, take pride in what you are good at, and work hard if ends to your means is an equivalent trade. You have one life.

[@danielsuarez8647]

All of this is for one reason only... the prices of everything have risen to such enormous figures that an ordinary job today doesn't earn a person enough for a quality life. They can't afford a car, a house, a vacation, and certainly not retirement. Prices are so high and salaries so low that a person can only afford food, clothing, and a phone but never make any progress. I work in the restaurant industry, and my bosses constantly complain about the staff, how inefficient they are, and that they want more money. And I keep asking them, where did you get the money to build your own restaurant? Some went abroad, others sold their parents' property. So, what should a person do who doesn't have family money or doesn't work abroad? Employers are directly responsible for the quality of life of their employees. If an employer doesn't provide enough money for their employees to have a quality future, how can they expect maximum dedication? And here we encounter a problem that employers cannot solve, but it is a global issue caused by a damaged economy and politicians. The very principle that people earn 100 times more on the internet than in physical stores or regular craftsman jobs is a peak and and ice example of the problem.

[@braixeninfection6312]

Yes. I blame the greed. Everyone is chasing never ending profits while never thinking of the future. Take a social media company for example. What happens when everyone who wants and can sign up already has? Guess what, no more new accounts and profits drop. It's a never ending cycle to generate more and more and more profit in a system that cannot sustain it forever. There is a cap at some point. But I guess workers and peoples health don't matter to them when they can make even more money that they literally couldn't spend fast enough to make use of. Just another 0 at the end of their bank account. While normal people struggle everyday for basic needs. I don't want to be rich, just make enough to get through life without struggling and working myself to death.

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Just wait till the physical dollar ia gone, and the FEDS introduce the CENTRAL BANKS digitized currency! #fafo2029

[@braixeninfection6312]

I worked a 7 to 3:30 for 2 1/2 years. And it was decent. I was able to go in early and get off early with a large chunk of the day left. But nearing the end of that time I was more and more burnt out because of untreated mental health issues. I was taking many days off often and never had PTO time while there and it wasn't helping much. I moved a couple times and got another job. This time is was a 8 to 5. And it was so much worse. I had to work so late in the day on top of having to drive at least 2-3 hours per day because of distance and traffic being horrible. I hated it and it killed me faster than I ever expected in just 2 weeks. I was always so tired and unable to do a single thing outside work. I couldn't even do anything on the weekends cause I was so exhausted. I hate working into the evening. I want some time of the day to be for me. Where I can actually do something. It really sucked when that job fired me two weeks in as it really hurt my already still struggling mental health. But I was already closer to my end working there for two weeks than I was at my previous job in 2 1/2 years. Plus the culture there sucked. Expecting me to be traveling half the month to outside areas. We as a society need to change. We simply cannot expect people to work themselves to death while doing the job of 2 or 3 people. I don't know how. But I for one will start to refuse to do 8 to 5. I want a 7 to 3:30. It's way better overall for my health and needs. I need time for myself. And now I don't even know how to function at work. Mental health is a big struggle for me. Being treated as worthless and replaceable. We need companies and bosses who care for employees and give them help. Not just fire when it's no longer "convenient" because we are seen as replaceable. Jobs need to change to fit the needs to of the people. Because people are changing. But these companies are not.

[@Chris-rj2pf]

I’m from IT industry. Glad I’m back to 8hours shift per day, i.e., 9am to 6pm (8hrs + 1hr break). In my previous company, we are required to spend total of 10hours per day (9hrs work + 1hr break), plus OT sometimes.

[@RoyaltyInTraining.]

I've worked in a totally superflous position for a year, and in that time, trying to look busy so my coworkers don't mock me has wrecked havoc on my mental health. That job has cost me more than wages could ever repay.

[@desertflowerz89]

You’re not alone. I’ve been there too.

[@genjidora8742]

the whole busy work thing to make it look like you're being productive is the absolute worst. And, like you said, you have those who take busy work super seriously and use their perceived productivity to put down others or make you feel bad for being done with your tasks but not looking for meaningless taskers to do. Then you have incompetent bosses who see others taking "initiative" and use them as an example and it just creates a toxic environment where you're constantly looking over your shoulder or feel eyes are watching how many times you take a piss or drink of water. I hate how it's like this. We should be having fun with our lives

[@wolfman_jagermeistro8445]

​@genjidora8742 this is so true. I absolutely hate busy work. And i hate the people who take it super seriously even more. Especially the managers who sit around doing nothing all day yet expect you to be busy every second your at work.

[@aasdasdsad9776]

I'd simply prefer a shorter work week to be implemented for office jobs. 9-5 was revolutionary and reduced work time about a century ago. The 40 hour work week is not even a creation of this century.

[@jacobmansfield-go9fz]

Can't cut hours for people in many fields. Would be nice to see more companies offering 4 10 hours shifts, or even 3 12s.

[@ll2323]

@@jacobmansfield-go9fzu can if u add more people. We’re at a point we’re we can’t keep prioritizing short term profits over long term growth. It’s not self sustaining.

[@jacobmansfield-go9fz]

Unemployment is too low for that to work ​@@ll2323

[@tiagodagostini]

The problem is nto even the total time. Is that havign to be AT work when there is nothign to do it is bad for everybody.

[@coke8077]

To me its not about exactly how much I work but how efficient my time is being used. No one wants to work more than they have to to generate the same amount of value for the employer.

[@kiterafrey]

I work a 9-5 as FTE (full time employee, our slang for those who are not contracted) in class action law at one of the largest service providers. Even among lawyers and paralegals, between 80-90% of our staff is contract workers who come from contract agencies. It saves the company on benefits, holiday pay, & taxes.

[@luvair6765]

Is that legal?

[@kiterafrey]

@@luvair6765 Yes, staffing agencies are legal. And as long as person you contract through an agency has the proper certifications they can work in that position. Contracting is super common in Law, tech, & even non-MD medical roles. I'm curious, what part made you wonder if it was illegal in the USA? Maybe I can better answer if I understand.

[@ImYourOnlyItGirl]

I was working from 7 am to 7 pm at a biomed company in the manufacturing department. Since I started we were severely understaffed so everyone was soaking up overtime. Which lead to 12-14 hour days usually 6-7 days a week. It was great, only working and saving up money, until I started a family. They actually expected me to be able to keep working 70+ hours a week after having a newborn. While I was on maternity leave, mind you we always were understaffed, they let go of one manager and 2 more technicians. Our entire job revolves around deadlines. Everyday is a deadline for something. They made it impossible. But actually expected the very few of us remaining to somehow pick it all up and do it. I’m so grateful I moved on, found something that can work for my new life as a mom.