The Owl House is Incredible Now

[@Cartoonshi]

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[@AVeryDandyLad]

eyo pizza time

[@thearomanticshipper4468]

This is what we call character development! I just wish I could watch this video, because Disney+ still hasn’t released the most recent episodes of the show.

[@Cartoonshi]

@@thearomanticshipper4468 The website I get my clips from is theowlclub.net, it's a virus free fan site that uploads every single episode of the show in English and Spanish and at 1080p (Dana Terrace herself was also caught using it bc she doesn't have cable lmao). If you're waiting for the episodes on Disney+, I'd recommend just going to owlclub instead.

[@payt00n]

@@Cartoonshi You my friend, are a cool guy

[@thearomanticshipper4468]

@@Cartoonshi Wow thanks. Also it’s crazy that the creator has to use a fan site to watch her own show! You’d think she’d get a free copy or something!

[@suspiciousstar7547]

Disney: “The Owl House DOESN’T fit the Disney Brand. We are going to cut it short.” The fans: “ *I hate everything you’re saying right now.* ”

[@_maka4791]

Not all shows need 50 gay people. kids shouldn't be told that its common. People don't want to see 2 14 year olds act gay for each other, that shit is predetory.

[@sunakohari8718]

cant believe disney did something cool for once, guess even a broken clock can be right twice a day

[@suspiciousstar7547]

@@sunakohari8718 Wdym?

[@elsaandersson1652]

I am never going to forgive Disney, no matter how many amazing movies they release i will alway be dissapointed in them

[@suspiciousstar7547]

@@elsaandersson1652 Yup. I can never forgive Disney for this screw up :(

[@troublemaker1778]

Cartoonshi’s character development related to the owl house is actually beautiful

[@cronch9716]

It's quite poetic how Cartoonishi went through a character arc himself throughout the Subtowl House journey.

[@ascentfox]

yay i like redemption arcs!

[@meatballsyrup2747]

cartoonshi's relationship with the show is a show in it of itself

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@meatballsyrup2747 I don't get it

[@meatballsyrup2747]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j get what

[@davidanthonymercado7064]

Season 2 all in all was nearly flawless. I’m still saddened by how dirty season 3 had been treated, I’m still really pumped for it!

[@staticalmite624]

You wanna hear something cool? The shortening has made them go for things they never considered before apparently and season 3 is going to be firing on all cylinders

[@alanspektor274]

It’s very full of flaws; writing, animation in some places, plot holes. there is a lot to critique still

[@ma.2089]

@@alanspektor274 so? Everything may be critiqued. Saying something is nearly flawless never said it was flawless. Why do ppl have to come to places where others give compliments and say “well actually it’s NOT flawless, which isn’t what you’re saying, but I just gotta remind you”

[@l3xxsoloz]

@@ma.2089 so true

[@susragejr477]

@@alanspektor274 Can you point out these critiques? Cuz nothing of what you said was in season 2 from what I saw

[@Amexy-mr6lw]

So basically: Season 1: its good but it has problems Season 2A: wow this is great Season 2B: i love this show XD

[@AyoSquareRoot]

Cartooshi has his own character development at this point xD

[@animezilla4486]

I am so upset why did you cancel this amazing series

[@AyoSquareRoot]

@@animezilla4486 My theory for what I've perceived is that Dana probably had a lot of disputes with Disney executives due to the serialization, dark themes and LGTB representation. I can imagine Dana actually arguing with the executives while pushing for the show she wanted and they had enough. At least for a lot of the first season of amphibia you can watch the episodes in any order but that's not the case with TOH, from season 1 most of the episodes have to be watched in a certain order and this is something Disney specially didn't like

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

season 3: perfect

[@AyoSquareRoot]

@robert downey junir Who knows, that's why I think there are other reasons like how serialized the show was and probably the relationship between Dana and Disney was problematic as well

[@WuntyWho]

This show went from “I dont fit in because im WEIRD & QUIRKY” and more “I’ve learned so much about this place, its amazing, I dont want to see it suffer like this. Im gonna do somthing about it.”

[@cronch9716]

What's also pretty interesting is that I feel like Luz and The Collector have parallels; where the collector is a metaphor for how Luz first saw the BI as nothing but a magical fantasy world to play with, expecting no consequences.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Relatable.

[@stevethepaidintern196]

@@cronch9716 damn

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

Yess I lvoe how relatable it is

[@L0rdOfThePies]

I read it more as "i don't fit in because im neurodivergent and ive found likeminded individuals to help me develop my sorely lacking social skills" personally but yknow how it is

[@ramirolosadamedina7843]

As someone who really enjoyed season 1 of the show in spite of it's flaws, even I was surprised with how great was season 2. I seriously can't remember the last time I watched a season with such consistent quality. Really hoping the 44 minute specials are able to give this show a worthy send-off.

[@marisolbecerra06]

Same here, I already really, really, liked this show with just season one, and then getting to witness the greatness that was season two come out in real time and slowly realize how genuinely amazing it is was quite the journey in in of itself

[@owenmcwilliams9247]

Same

[@CJ-nz4wq]

In all honesty Matthew never stopped playing his character when he gave that statement, he just did what belos would do which is give us information that made us not lose hope on him being a absolute evil. We all became hunter for a brief bit of time and then just like hunter it all came crashing down when hollow mind came out.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

I love your profile picture

[@jlwiseman98]

I would argue matt wasn't actually wrong tho, belos is kinda misunderstood, but in a different way then you're expecting. Sure, he isn't currently given some tragic backstory or anything, but thats not the misunderstood part, its more his motivations. Belos was misunderstood because our and even luz's initial assumptions about him was he sought power and did what he did for purely selfish reasons, evil to be evil. But no, belos, to him at least, thinks he's a hero protecting the home he cares about from being corrupted by witchs, creatures his home would've made him fear for years. Hes a villian who thinks he's a hero because he grew up in a system that fear mongered him, just like what he ended up doing to others. So I think Matt was kinda right, belos is less "evil" and more "thinks he's the hero of his own story".

[@apollyon6855]

That's pretty meta if I'm honest

[@davidbodor1762]

I mean he wasn't even wrong, Belos WAS misunderstood. He was a LOT worse than people thought.

[@CombatSportsNerd]

@@jlwiseman98 Perfect analysis bro

[@Jayson_Atrack_43]

“He went from misunderstood antagonist to wizard hitler-“ best thing ever.

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

European trying to extinguish a group of people simply because he doesn't like them? Hmmmmmmmmmm

[@themc8769]

Better than the other way around! (cries in SU fan)

[@L0rdOfThePies]

@@themc8769 im so sorry man 💀 i havent watched SU but i feel ya..

[@cheese0827]

To be fair, I do like how they don't try to redeem him

[@utopiaa_1775]

@@cheese0827every opportunity they have to potentially redeem him they’re like “so anyways here’s more fuel for the fire :D”

[@adventuresteamstudios242]

The Owl House is one of those show that has a rocky start at the first season but as the series move on, it starts getting better and better

[@hrama17]

truly the bojack horseman of kids animation

[@bengilhooly3616]

Same with Amphibia

[@JellyFishGell]

@@bengilhooly3616 Amphibia season 1 was great what do you mean??

[@bengilhooly3616]

@@JellyFishGell it was good but it had way too many “fun” episodes

[@LutherArtwrightTheHero]

@@bengilhooly3616 I agree, it just feels like filler. S2 and S3 are better.

[@thatvideojacob]

Cartoonshi’s evergrowing relationship with The Owl House is one of the best character arcs.

[@hermescarraro3393]

Such complex character development

[@DigiThorn]

When you read about what was going on behind the scenes it really does feel like Disney was doing everything in their power to kneecap this show at every opportunity

[@cronch9716]

disney really loves to destroy their biggest money makers for some reason

[@kenziebalhatchet3918]

@@cronch9716 especially since amphibia ended there’s not another big show on Disney that is close to owl houses success Im pretty sure

[@CombatSportsNerd]

@@kenziebalhatchet3918 Yeah it’s going to be a while before we get a replacement for just one of those shows let alone both of them

[@CombatSportsNerd]

Wait what happened behind the scenes

[@kenziebalhatchet3918]

@@CombatSportsNerd they made season 3 three specials instead of a normal season and there might be more

[@opaldragon009]

When it comes to Collector killing Belos, while I can totally understand why people didn't like that decision (and this kinda thing will always be subjective), I would like to say: I personally loved it because they don't COMPLETELY kill him. He gets taken out as the main threat for the Boiling Isles, which IS really sudden, but he's clearly still going to be a threat for the hexsquad (plus Vee and Camila possibly) in the human realm. That, and it's a great way of showing how horrifying Collector's powers truly are. With the flick of a finger, he swiftly and effortlessly disposed of the man who caused SO MUCH damage throughout the show, and combining that with the whims of a child makes it so much worse. But it isn't an official, definitive end to Belos either. He'll still have time to shine as his vile, manipulative self, just a little bit longer. Also, I was so fucking relieved when the events of Elsewhere and Elsewhen turned out to be a closed loop overall. No alternate timelines or paradoxes or some shit. Like yeah it does make things a bit more complicated, but in a way that recontextualizes past episodes, adds more to the story, makes sense, and STILL doesn't make things convoluted. It's a breath of fresh air.

[@animezilla4486]

Do you think Belos is going to be killed off for real in the human world

[@sunakohari8718]

touch grass man

[@opaldragon009]

@@animezilla4486 hmm probably? i think it'd be a neat (and pitiful) way to end his story. he talked so much about saving humanity, about finally getting home and being revered as a hero for the "work and sacrifices" he made on the boiling isles. then he finally gets there, but he's not human anymore. his brother isn't with him. he's just the sad drop of sludge he's become after his countless atrocities, all he can do is wither away like an insect, watching how much his home changed without him and that it got him nowhere good. very much what he deserves but still depressing in many ways. that's my theory anyway lol overall i think he's setup to be the antagonist for the hexsquad/human realm, and the collector for the boiling isles. but only time will tell!

[@animezilla4486]

@@opaldragon009 interesting theory I see that as a possibility as well

[@Leader7353]

@@sunakohari8718 for what lol

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Belos being revealed to be Philip back in the day was MADNESS. But I don't think Luz should blame herself for helping him.... Honestly, he would've found someone else to manipulate to help him at that time.

[@joelblake5310]

I mean I'm pretty sure 90-95% of us predicted it, so I wouldn't say it was madness. But Elijah certainly was happy.

[@starlightrai]

Of course it’s not her fault but it was clear why she would blame herself for helping Philip. She has been putting too much pressure into herself all throughout the show. For example, she blamed herself for Eda’s capture in the first season finale even though she wouldn’t have known how forceful Lilith would’ve acted and was captured herself.

[@Cruxin]

Luz blaming herself and taking responsibility for that kind of stuff is like, her main character flaw lol. Even she would probably say she knows its not really her fault but that wouldn't make her feel any better

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@joelblake5310 Wait, who's Elijah?

[@joelblake5310]

@@DrawciaGleam02 KZbinr

[@lovetrain2455]

One of the massive praises I'll always give the show is that it didn't waste episodes or entire seasons with the 'will they or wont' shit that anchors down many shows I won't menStarVsTheForcesOfEvil And also Luz and Amity talk about the issues and personal problems of their relationship, it shows their relationship is not perfect but they aren't above talking about them instead of going for cheap drama and forced breakups like other shows I won't menStarVsTheForcesOfEvil

[@tb14333]

Exactly. It shows a healthy relationship and thats what kids should see.

[@PirateOfPlayTime]

I think they made a specific point of making their relationship the most idealistically healthy relationship possible. It's unrealistic how well these two 14 year olds understand how to effectively communicate and have a healthy relationship less than a month into (presumably) both of their first relationship ever, just as it's unrealistic that there's no homophobia on the Boiling Isles. But the point of both of those things is that it's supposed to set an example for kids of what the ideal relationship and ideal world look like.

[@akirakure6474]

@@PirateOfPlayTime Not really. Plenty of young people have healthy relationships with good communication. It’s uncommon, yes, but it happens

[@CyberCervine]

@@PirateOfPlayTime genuine question, how is it unrealistic that there is no homophobia on the Isles? I ask because there were several civilizations in real human history of civilizations that either didn't care about lgbt relationships/identities or these people had special roles in society that were looked up to.

[@ThePrincessCH]

​@@CyberCervine Can you name such civilizations?

[@georgemccartney8906]

49:10 Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this exact scene when Luz opened and closed the door repeatedly

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@LeonardoTMNT444]

Me

[@SwaggyG_2102]

Season 2B of TOH is DEFINITELY a massive improvement in comparison towards its previous two seasons. The fact that Disney tried to sabotage this show is downright criminal.

[@sunakohari8718]

2B is trash, youre high on copium, disney did right in cutting it off

[@RavenStarMedia]

Fun fact: The Collector actually wasn't planned until after the shortening. It's likely that all the stuff that was planned for Seasons 2 and 3 was either cut or all showed into Season 2. Season 3 is completely new stuff they only thought of because the shortening exists. TOH became incredible to you only in large part because of the shortening Also, the reason why it was shortened is because it was serialized when the channel was shifting to episodic series. Amphibia got its 3rd season greenlit right before the branding shift so it avoided that fate.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

well if that's the case, that seems very off to me. wouldn't it be easier to just try and rework the plan to fit a 2 1/2 hour format instead of creating something new from scratch. Like if the interpretation was that they did fit all they planned for season 3 into season 2 why go in a new direction, that seems like it could have easily worked in the 3 40 minute specials if they focused

[@RavenStarMedia]

@@christopherauzenne5023 Apparently they had wanted to create a character like the Collector (morally gray character of chaos) who rarely blinks and looks like a doll) from the start. Then when they got the shortened order, they created the character and were like "Let's toss this character in, let's go ham, let's see what happens", so they made Season 3 as a big experiment are are going a bunch of different directions in it they enver would have thought of otherwise.

[@sunakohari8718]

oh boy... its gonna be shit, cant wait to see the fandom getting high on copium

[@harpyeda1473]

where did you get this information?? did I missed an interview or something 🤔😅

[@KingBobXVI]

@@harpyeda1473 - I think they're guessing, because in the interview with Dana I saw (well, charity stream I guess) she specifically says S2's arc wasn't changed by the shortening.

[@CovensAgainstTheThrone]

This show and its characters have become a huge comfort for me. (Hence my username-) Season 2b is definitely my favorite segment. We got so many gems and so much development, it was amazing. Hollow Mind was the final warning that, "Oh crap, this isn't ending well." Sure, episodes were dark before, such as AOAW, YBOS, or Yesterday's Lie, but none of then set the same tone that s2b did with the sinister tones and all of the warnings. I hope the specials are able to wrap up the story well, and I'm confident they can.

[@CovensAgainstTheThrone]

Also, one thing I'm mad we never got to see thanks to Disney cutting the show short was Steve and Mattholomule's connection. We know they are half-brothers, but it would have helped flesh out past side characters. I also would have loved to see a bit on the other Coven Heads such as Hettie or Vitimir (Am I spelling their name right?) because they just seem like the characters to have interesting motives- heck, they all seem that way! I'm SUPER happy we got Adrian, though. With 3/4 of the other Coven Heads we know working against Belos (The outlier being Terra), I loved seeing the personality of a Coven Head that strictly supported Belos. I can't wait to see how he is affected post DoU.

[@Megatron_95]

0:07 never watched Gravity Falls but I admit that this was a good opening joke. Well done

[@Emmanuel44444]

😂

[@KlynerKaiOffical]

You should really check it out sometime, it’s fantastic 👍

[@sjsshjd2354]

Watch it, brilliant show

[@ma.2089]

If you like Owl House and/or Amphibia, you should try it out. A lot of good fictional media (Inside Job and Glass Scientists included) have come from the team behind Gravity Falls

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@ma.2089 The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@TerrificIvan2017]

Having that “The Subtowle House” title being removed, previously stated to be removed in the season 2a review, comes to show that not only has the show’s quality improved and there’s more positive reception. I was worried that the finale will flop again because it felt in some places that the pacing was abnormal. But I have enjoyed all the episodes in this season. Looking forward to your reviews about the upcoming 44-minute specials.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@pankace3296]

The cancelation has me on the edge of boycotting Disney. The Owl House is an AMAZING story. It is a beautiful piece of art that deserved so much more time to tell its story, although that unfairness has caused it to go from great to exceptional in record time. This show makes me as emotional as it does angry, but I will always be thankful for what this team gave us.

[@_maka4791]

You can't boycott disney, also for once they made the right choise by canceling the show. A kids show should not have all of its charecters be gay, mabye 1 or 2 but not a majority of the people.

[@mockersjayparker813]

@@_maka4791 I can't tell if this is a joke or you're being serious.

[@sobble821]

@@_maka4791 Why not? I wanna know, genuinely. Why should kids shows not have, say, half of their cast be queer?

[@alaina4070]

@@_maka4791 You're homophobic. Almost all kid shows have straight romances in them or one of the characters has a straight crush. Being queer isn't sexual unless you believe being straight or cis is. Also not all the characters in the owl house are queer.

[@CheesenMac123]

@@_maka4791 What’s the problem with having lots of gay characters? There’s plenty of shows with no lgbtq representation.

[@SebaJK7]

I'm so happy you mentioned the Collector's Theme specifically, It almost had as much of an impact on me as Eda's Requiem. It made his first proper appearance feel SO unsettling and alien, while still letting his playful personality shine through. I'm no music expert, but I wonder if it being the first track to use synthesized music is a part of that!

[@AtrumNuntius]

I know I was pretty shocked when that kiss happened. At the time all I could say was "Whoa". It was a landmark decision, Disney even put just a clip of that moment on their official KZbin channel. I'm really curious to know what happens in the last season between Luz and Amity. Luz wants to stay and go back to her mom at the same time. Will Amity just stay with her in the human realm?

[@qwart22]

And then they went and donated money to anti-lgbt groups. It was amazing that lumity was made canon but Disney just had to screw it up

[@d_c-k7n]

Personally,I never expected them to go further than those cheek kisses in the earlier episodes,and them doing it canonically caught me off-guard.

[@KaminoKatie]

@@qwart22 Universal also done that as well

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

@@qwart22 Disney is a company, not a single entity. Whoever's running the shows doesn't have any control on where the money goes and vice versa.

[@Arch-Vex]

fun fact: Although its obviously way too late to not cancel a whole 3rd season, theres still chances to make disney let dana make a spinoff about young eda and raine and their adventures! so lets hope they do

[@theredeft5319]

I’d like to see that. Though it may suffer from being a prequel(already knowing the fate of the characters later on, plus having to become the characters we see in the current shows). I want to see more of the different types of magic.

[@someguyinazoo]

Enzo Gabriel?

[@lightray9264]

I’d love to see Luz and the gang do shenanigans in the human world.

[@Moonstriker2514]

This has not aged well

[@rest1585]

I am so glad, you showcased the owl house jazz cover. It is such a banger.

[@LiftedStarfish]

To me, canceling the show, and then maintaining a death grip on the IP rights to the show is the most repulsive part about the way Disney handled this. Expected? Yes. It's still repulsive.

[@supsup335]

It is good to see you having fun and not having to rave about bad stories and missed pozential.

[@yulee3266]

its entertaining to see him do either or possibly both

[@mr.context3872]

The thing with episode 12 is that it kind of makes sense, Belos recognized Luz from when he was Philip so it would create a paradox to kill her when they first met and the portal was destroyed

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@cronch9716]

Yup, and it really does bring more context as to why he didn't initially go after her and the Owl House. When I first watched the finale of S1, I was really confused as to why he didn't go after them: "Well that's really stupid, what kind of writing decision was that lmao". Once I watched Elsewhere and Else When and Hollow Mind, I was like "Holy fucking shit, that's giga brained".

[@nickolas78gr24]

Time travel, it's like a retcon but acceptable

[@samshapira8295]

One of my favorite tiny lore details of 2B is in Hollow Mind is the paintings when they initially enter Belos's mindscape. Luz decides to touch one of them, but it's solid. Her hand doesn't go through. Because it's a false memory, created by Belos in order to hide his true memories.

[@Phoboskomboa]

Belos WAS misunderstood. Just not in the direction that word usually implies. We all expected him to have a misguided reason for imperfect solutions to some major problem. We misunderstood that he's just what would happen if a puritan found himself in a world where witches are the norm.

[@ManuJM-gw3je]

That doesn't make much sense, since Matthew Rhys said that before Belos even debuted. There was literally no expectations about him yet.

[@Phoboskomboa]

@@ManuJM-gw3je Right, and I was pointing out the irony that he was accidentally correct, but for the wrong reason.

[@motivated2473]

39:02 Basically: 1. They can relate to each other in being Half-Witches in a constant need to proov themselves because of that label, and because of that, despite coming from different backgrounds, they can understand each other pretty well. 2. She looks pretty healthy for Hunter i guess, she always seems to know how to get through to him despite being pretty hard-headed. 3. A lot of blushing around Willow, i have no recollection of the reasons but it happened more than twice. 4. The most important one, ¿Why the fuck not and who's gonna stop them?

[@Nameless-wb6nv]

The line “Bump’s a twink in this episode” caught me so off guard.

[@Saphirakii]

it’s such a small and quick line, but in Hollow Mind, when Luz and Hunter are pulled out, i just really really appreciate Eda stopping King and the others from crowding the kids. One because of the characterization for Eda but Two because ideally this will teach kids to not crowd people if they’re in a state of shock and panic. the same way that the episodes of Lumity supporting each other about mental and emotional health are making said topics normal and okay. some types of societal norms can change and cartoons is a medium for that.

[@IDK-oh3kb]

I really wish Willow got atleast one episode about her and they had a chance to do that in season 1 instead of body swapping or shrinking. But in the end they still have a bit of a chance in the specials.

[@MiniFatRat]

I’m pretty sure it’s because season 1 was written to have 3 full seasons. If we would have gotten 3 seasons she would have been developed much better

[@RainbowNiffty]

what about any sport in a storm? Sure it had a bit of lumity but it mainly focused on willow wanting to be like her dads

[@danielokere3503]

@@RainbowNiffty I feel like ASIAS was more of a Hunter episode, like what was said in the video. The cold open of the episode was entirely about him, he was given the most conflict, and he might’ve even had more overall screentime (I’d have to check though). I wish it could’ve been more like Labyrinth Runners, which was very clearly a Gus episode despite Hunter playing a big role.

[@marcelyuzuki6376]

Willow had enough screentime and she had in s1 ep3 and 6 for herself. Ep15,17 was about her and Amity In s2 she got 1 Episodefor herself. And a really stupid subplot in ep18 with Amity.

[@IDK-oh3kb]

@@marcelyuzuki6376 her development was undercut by other characters in those episodes being developed more and having more focus on them

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

32:27 I used to think this was out of character for him to say until I remembered the episode where he had a similar panic attack that Hunter did in this episode in Echoes of the Past, where he finds out his whole “King” persona was a lie

[@yourlocalpossum4744]

I feel like Luz is gonna blame herself for Eda, King, Reine and everything that happened, this is a very common theme and something Luz has done multiple times. She really needs to stop blaming herself for things she couldnt control.

[@Turbulation1]

Well to be fair, that is one of her main character traits, to consistently be hard on one's self. Losing that would make slightly less sense for her character.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

She's gonna need SO much therapy. Get these kids some mental help!

[@yourlocalpossum4744]

@@SpecialInterestShow mostly hunter and luz but also

[@ronaldrobertson2332]

I've never seen this show until recently. All I want to ask is how Luz gets that scar/wound on her eyebrow?

[@yourlocalpossum4744]

@@ronaldrobertson2332 From her fight with Emperor Belos on the day of unity

[@LegoCrafterStudiosAnimation]

Props for being an actual critique and acknowledging a shows improvement while not underplaying its faults. I trust your praises because I've seen your willingness to criticize it. You convinced me in maybe...6 minutes to watch a show I never thought I'd watch. I'm thankful. Have a good one.

[@austinreed5805]

It’s good that there are still great cartoons, instead of them going into another dark age after the cartoon golden resurgence of the early-mid 2010’s.

[@flarky6465]

Massive props to Cartoonshi for editing and producing this much in a short amount of time. Such a treat watching this much content. Can't wait for the next thing he'll cover

[@heybro8845]

I love how every time someone talks about steve it's always "also steve is cool. i like steve."

[@heymanwhatsgoingon]

I’ll never forgive Disney for shafting this show so hard but what we got was amazing The jump in quality is actually unreal

[@StormriderVarskil1]

Wow! You're one of the most challenging critics of TOH at the beginning (I loved listening to dissenting opinions like those) but you've changed. But I agree that the series improved a lot since the beginning. Even between Season 2A and 2B itself. Season 3 really deserves a long season because of it.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@susragejr477]

Toonshi’s character arc is complete

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

“It won’t be perfect but hey, does it really need to be?”- Edalyn Clawthorne

[@jonathanwilson5355]

Just finished watching! Keep being based cartoonshi. It’s really nice to see commentary channels that constantly reflect on opinions they’ve made previously and aren’t afraid to dunk on them. Proud of you mate! :) Honestly, I’m considering watching this show now. Been awhile since I’ve watched a cartoon, but I heard Lilith is AroAce, so I might just jump in today XDD

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@rest1585]

I still think it needs a lot of work. But I am glad for you taking a more optimistic approach. It’s nice to see.

[@realtbhandrew]

Well I don't think they have much more time for that now, do they? I think that season 2B is nearly perfect anyways

[@rest1585]

@@realtbhandrew Meh.

[@cherriou3337]

13:31 I never noticed how this scene changed. this really adds to my enjoyment of this show and how complex the stpry can be

[@pocketlizarddd4549]

oh my GOSH! I never noticed the detail about Luz's memory in episode 11 being different than what happened in ep 10!! that's insane. I'm not great at picking up on detail and forming theories, etc sometimes, so I love videos like these! awesome

[@godzillakingofkaiju6366]

47:50 I will argue that The Collector one shotting Belos is a fitting end to him. Belos has manipulated everyone on the Boiling Isles for centuries and the only character who would’ve been by his side for all of that would’ve been The Collector, so I think it’s extremely fitting that he’s defeated by the one person he’s been manipulating for centuries

[@adval2928]

26:32 I also love how when Alador tried to hug Amity, she didn't let him but instead she sook his hand. you shouldn't just immediately trust someone who hurt you!

[@barelyhere7200]

I’m excited for season 3 though I am a little worried. I do have hope that it will have a good ending and stick the landing but part of me does worry. Amphibia has one of the greatest series finales in a animated show I have ever seen and to be honest I don’t think that the owl house will even come close to it but I at least hope that owl house finale is good

[@Ironicuss]

Schafrillas viewer spotted

[@barelyhere7200]

@@Ironicuss I mean you’re not wrong but I have felt this way ever since the season two finale aired. His video came out like a day or two ago. Just because I watch his videos doesn’t mean I share the same opinions as him is just it’s just in this case that I have a similar one

[@bigbangpegasusmaster]

Tbh Amphibia by the time of its finale episodes was about at the same stage of the story and still managed to do it brilliantly in about 99 minutes (BotE+All In+THT), here we have about 132 minutes and TOH has been amazing at pacing stuff, so I'm fully confident we're in for a treat

[@justyourlocalcommenter7492]

@Tricki why?

[@CombatSportsNerd]

@@barelyhere7200 All I can say is keep your expectations realistic. Due to the circumstances there’s absolutely no way that season three won’t have problems

[@DarthOmelette]

The whole reason Lilith decided to curse Eda in the first place was because she drew inspiration from Belos, who said it's necessary to make sacrifices. It was a single line when Lilith was telling her backstory, but it really drives home how everything she did wrong was a result of her faith in Belos.

[@barelyhere7200]

Ok so I have said many times before that I do not like the first season of the show but it really is amazing how much of a massive improvement the second season is. There is only one episode in the entirety of the second season that I don’t like (through the Looking Glass ruins). I really care about the characters now and the show I feel like has gotten a lot funnier. Also Lilith and Hootys friendship gives me life. I do have some mixed feelings on the season finale though. But overall this season really was a massive improvement. I still do like amphibian more though

[@joelblake5310]

Out of all the episodes in season 2, Through the Looking Glass Ruins is the one you don't like?

[@barelyhere7200]

@@joelblake5310 the plot with Gus is just so boring and predictable. It also doesn’t help that Gus is my least favorite character in the show. Luz yelling in the library so her and amity would get caught was just really stupid. The only good thing about the episode is the ending in my opinion but it doesn’t save the episode for me

[@joelblake5310]

@@barelyhere7200 "Luz yelling in the library so her and Amity would get caught was just really stupid." She just found out that her only way home was eaten. It makes sense why she yelled. But even though it's kind of sad you don't like this episode, at least you liked the rest of the season.

[@dtd1208]

@@joelblake5310 Even if it does make sense in-character, it doesn't make it any less stupid. It's not bad writing, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Luz has a lot of moments like this, and it's why she's my least favourite character, personally :/

[@itsjustvin7630]

@@dtd1208 idk I'd yelled just as much more foul if my ticket home was eaten by a rodent

[@bruxism666]

as a former hyperactive female child with undiagnosed (now diagnosed dw) adhd & a dead father, luz as a character hits a little too close to home say what you want about her being 'quirky' in season 1 but when i tell you thats EXACTLY how i acted at age thirteen/fourteen i am not kidding. shes a painfully realistic and interesting protagonist and i wish i had her on tv growing up. if a magical door opened up in my shed i would've thrown myself in there at that age no questions asked

[@FabbrizioPlays]

In season 1 I was like, you know this isn't quite Gravity Falls but it scratches the itch well enough. In season 2, I can unambiguously say, Gravity Falls walked so Owl House could run.

[@tsukitanuki4707]

Hunter really needs a hug he’s the best, him and flapjack are the best.

[@AndrewSZL]

Always great to see Cartoonshi upload

[@seekingabsolution1907]

This is some of the finest quality Disney hate I've ever seen. It acknowledges the quality of the artists works whilst thoroughly lambasting the corporate entity that owns them.

[@Ecliptic-P]

Calling belos wizard hitler is the best nutshell description of him ever

[@therealagfeild]

I hope they’re able to wrap it up properly with only three 44-minute episodes

[@sunny-ql9ll]

i binged your 3 owl house videos and man your character development is so well written

[@NickAndriadze]

*3:17* I am infinitely grateful and happy to announce that I spot no Amphibia in this pile of trainwreck endings. Like come on, does one even have any leftover human emotions if they say they didn't feel at least slightly sad watching the second half of it? Also fun god damn fact time: Suffix ''-Shi'' means ''inside'' in Georgian, so your KZbin name would translate as ''In a cartoon,'' which is really funny in my opinion (Also I am really glad you finally did this near-perfect season justice Owl House, just like it's good old pal Amphibia, had a pretty rough start (Though aforementioned Amphibia had way less of a rough start. Still though, show just god real in it's second season), but really became something out of this world as of the second season).

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@averagecartoonfan3519]

i personally didn’t like the majority of season 3, loved the finale tho. season 2 is still my favorite amphibia season by a long shot, and i will die on this hill.

[@NickAndriadze]

@@averagecartoonfan3519 Honestly, you have a good point. I don't fully agree with it, though. Yes, season 2 is too, my favorite Amphibia season by a short margin, but season 3 was amazing though. My unpopular opinion is, that the Earth filler episodes are actually pretty great. The humor of season 3 is still very much Amphibia-feeling, and incredibly funny, the animation only went uphill, the contained miniature stories of even the god damn filler episodes were genuinely interesting, the characters stayed charming and only improved as well, characters, and so on so forth.

[@ThomasMarioFan_11]

I'm really enjoying these more positive videos! First the Gravity Falls retrospective now this! I'd love to see you cover Amphibia at some point.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They are lashing-out on all things LGBT right now, its truly disgusting-af, making at least me personally never vote for them again. Especially cause im a Telltale Fireside Fan and therefore know how much Right-Wing-Nuts wanna get in Power.

[@liittlemiissd]

This dropped at he exact minute i sat down to eat, thanks Cartoonshi!

[@DaRockstar125]

Season 2 of The Owl House was such an amazing experience for a lot of people, every week I’d go into an episode exited as ever, watch through the entire thing on the edge of my seat and finally reach the end of the episode either shocked, dreadful or in need for therapy. This season was such a wild ride to sit through and I’m kind of bummed it’s over, theirs still season 3 and it’s 3 45 ish minute episodes and I’m sure it’s going to be just as great but this is a season I’ll be constantly rewatching even once the show has ended on a satisfying high note. Still concerned with how it might all end but I have a lot of faith they’ll be able to pull it off.

[@muchoomoorek]

Almost one hour video, what a blessing

[@lex0h2]

great video as always cartoonshi

[@SarcasticEverything]

Watching your character development of thinking the show was ok to thinking it was great has truly been a treat to watch! Looks like I'll have another vid to recommend to ppl!

[@TheDataByteChannel]

Cartoonshi's videos keep getting better in their quality and the analysis portions feel really well put together. Keep up the good work.👍

[@crizbit9746]

Oh hell yeah, two positive reviews in a row! Even tho I enjoy negative reviews more, I like it when you appreciate the good things in media. Keep calm toon, and Keeping moving forward ;). Also I like the scream when you saw that owl’s guy’s skeleton. Lol

[@Let_Toons]

29:33 Best part is... SHE DID When Eda asks her "And who is [Bellos] really?" Luz turns her face away, in distress. Almost like she has a hunch it's Phillip but can't accept it herself

[@heymanwhatsgoingon]

Super excited for this vid btw,after Hollow Mind I was like I CANT WAIT TO HEAR WHAT CARTOONSHI THINKS

[@karmageddon9047]

I fin Luz' reaction to the siren important, as childhood trauma dictates that, depending on how her father passed, she might remember a siren and associate it with him. And Amitys' reaction to Luz when she just.. casually mentions her fathers passing. God.

[@thesockstealingdemon]

Also about Amity being “just Luz’s girlfriend”. She’s had a personality made from Odalia and when she gets away from that abuse and starts creating her own personality and figuring out who she is, being Luz’s girlfriend gives her smth to be. I’m also pretty sure Dana said that the collector wasn’t supposed to exist originally but due to lack of time they had to have a character wrap it up

[@erdood3235]

About kikimora in episode 11: I've read an interpretation that, because she eavesdroped enough on Belos to know about the collector, that she know that he wanted to kill all magic kind (Belos and collector most likely talked about that a lot), so her wanting the approval of Belos is because she wanted to hopefully convince him to spare her. Maybe Kiki didn't know of a way to remove her coven sigil, so she was doomed to die if she just ran away from Belos.

[@optimascrime5235]

This show may have not been around for long but will always be remembered as one of the Disney channel's greatest cartoon

[@C0DE_R3D]

The redemption arc we were all waiting for

[@evakazoo]

I appreciate the comforting of the fans for the shortened season It really helped calm MY anxiety

[@ZuMii_Idled]

The episode where we figure out that Luz's dad is dead was so comforting. As someone whose lost a family member the conversating was so comforting because it brought me to relate to Luz which I hadn't before hadn't. I've loved this show even during season one but season 2 was so perfect to me, everything felt so human, and so relatable

[@Houndlock643]

The Collecter might fit well in a group consisting of Marx, Jevil, Dimentio, and Vex

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Don't forget: ENA

[@KaminoKatie]

And Discord from MLP as well

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Watch out, Enzo Gabriel will infest The Collector now!

[@diamond13dog]

@@KaminoKatie Finally, someone says something about him!

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Karl Marx?

[@postcents]

It sucks that because of the season being cut we missed out on a bunch of extra story content. The whole thing with Steve, a scene with Eda, king and the rest of the team finding out about the events of yesterdays lie, and a lot more. I’m glad that the season has been awesome, but it just sucks to think about what could have been if Disney didn’t screw over the show.

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

This show went from an enjoyable 7/10 to a brilliant 9/10

[@Axogoober]

It needed to be longer for more lore and for some fillers but NOOO DISNEY DOESNT LIKE TOO MUCH GAY

[@AnimationFanboy2k4]

All because of the Lumity kiss? Plus the animation is sooooo upgrade in a higher lever than Empire State Building! Also, Hunter's character development!

[@williehughes1690]

This is a fantastically done review of season 2,s b half I can't wait for the season 3 specials.

[@meta-less]

This show really does find a way of sneaking into peoples heart

[@Z.O.M.G]

I want to see Belos on modern day earth, just to see his reaction of centuries passing and techology changing so much

[@Uknownentity6]

16:34 damn, can you feel my heart was my first metal rock song I've ever listened to, I respect you for using it :)

[@ziammarino]

That part when you were screaming at Owl without his skin had me sobbing keep at it king

[@_Yewrei]

So i will say this, season 1 was by no means perfect or overly amazing but it was fun and set alot of bricks that would be called back in season 2. Season 1 may not have been a real eye catching season but as we go into season 3 and after everything that happened in season 2, season 1’s shenanigans and little buildups are almost nostalgic. Everything from the silly little adventures of eda, king, and luz to the first introduction of the relationship between luz and amity and as far as the hexside gang; everything felt like a fun adventure. I feel like this was almost intentional, to have a season where it was just to set up the gradual on-take of what luz would eventually be tasked to do. Now that we are in the endgame, looking back, it feels like season 1 was meant to be a representation of luz being able to play out her fantasy of a magic world but gradually coming to the realization that this is much more than she let on. By the end of season 1, it locks itself into this idea that luz needs to start thinking about what she wants and what the world really means to her and from that point on, the show let itself take grip. I will agree with cartoon, by no means is owl house a masterpiece of animation or is it a fundamental staple in the world of cartoons, but owl house has definitely upheld itself to the standards of shows like gravity falls or futurama, and what started as a fun loving adventure of fantasy has blossomed into a fantastical tale of discovering who you are and immaculate story telling and character development. And to cover the season 3, i know there is so much lore to analyze but although things look rough; I have a great sense of optimism that Dana and her team will put out the best possible closing episodes they can and im here to support them in any way. Its like cartoonshi said, it may not be under the same circumstances, but if Gravity falls was able to wrap up their show in an hour and a half, almost 3 hours worth of content is entirely possible to go above and beyond. To paraphrase Dana herself, “It sucks about the shortening of season 3 but lets not go in to it with a defeatist mindset, crunch time makes for more ambitious ideas and much more inventive possibilities”. Great video cartoonshi, i share your sentiment in hope that it ties up its story with grace.

[@Spiney09]

Owl house and gravity falls both did the same thing. They spent the first season worldbuilding, so the second one could be more focused on the plot. Worked for both in my opinion.

[@nemikoi]

This show is so good I wish I would watch it for ages.. so sad Disney cut it short

[@ananunes5451]

I feel like this season was much better as a whole. Like season 1 there were like 4 episodes I went back to re-watch and stuff, whilst this season there's maybe one or two I don't enjoy as much. Maybe that's related to the fact that I binged s1, and had to wait weekly for a new ep of s2 ( and also suffer through the mid-season hiatus)? But man every single Saturday morning one of the first things I did was turn on my laptop and watch the owl house. I love this show man.

[@BilgeRadić]

I’m upset you didn’t even a little mention the fact that belos is an absolute savage especially in the finale

[@marwansobhy7050]

Belos being an utter piece of shit is a nice change of pace from most shows main antagonists

[@Aisubun]

Yeah I don't have much to say besides I agree with all this and I can't thank you enough for your video on S2A getting me into this show

[@FRANCEYVO]

Nobody ever remembers how Gus also sped ran hollow mind

[@cronch9716]

Mf straight up Any% that shit

[@FoggyWall]

Im genuinely surprised this show blew up as big as it has. Very happy to see it being as beloved as it is.

[@amirnator456]

I just want to tell you something, Cartoonshi, I’ve been subscribed to you ever since your review of the first season, as I enjoyed your style of being bombastically negative on a series, but as much as I liked that phase, I liked how you were willing to rethink your initial perspective and warm up as the Owl House got better over time. Needless to say, I’m proud.

[@ghostface2725]

I'd like to point out in hollow mind a painting shows chunks of Philips ears being cut off

[@drongobrat6471]

i absolutely despised your first vid on the owl house, so it’s really awesome to see your editing style combined with a script that’s actually good this time. very funny video with a lot of good points, 10 out of 10.