Amphibia Retrospective/Owl House Season 2B Review

[@badgerscorner9347]

My argument for season 1 of Amphibia isn’t necessarily that all of those episodes endear you to the characters, but that having that many episodes about Anne learning lessons and helping the people in Wartwood makes the season finale, when the whole town rallies behind Anne as their hero, feel much more believable. You can point out individual characters and remember how Anne helped them. That’s just my take though

[@feldwebeljackrum6272]

Take Steven universe as the inverse of this. There were tons of episodes where steven was intetacting with the people of beach city...but in the end it was more or less pointless.

[@badgerscorner9347]

ooh, hadn’t thought about that. Very true, all of the Beach City stuff was completely irrelevant to the finale

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@feldwebeljackrum6272 Season 1 actually did this rather properly if you watch Jailbreak.... But yeah Amphibia's handling of the townies seems more similar to how the Kirby anime handled its townies in the finale.... Both shows have the townsfolk help take down a major evil. In Kirby anime it's Nightmare.

[@badgerscorner9347]

I actually really like Jailbreak, this is more of a criticism of Change Your Mind

[@tashaem1]

I will always go to bat for Amphibia's "filler" episodes. Those episodes are far too funny and far too character establishing to be skipped. They might not be "plot relevant" but they are "world relevant". I care about the people of Wartwood more then I ever cared about the residents of Beach City, Gravity Falls or the Boiling Isles. Give me One-Eyed Wally or give me death.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

You've gotta appreciate _Amphibia's_ disturbingly realistic portrayal of toxic friendships, and the arc Anne and Sasha go through of realizing it's toxic and wanting to fix it.

[@jbcatz5]

As well as how superficial their friendship with Marcy really is, taking her presence for granted without understanding her as a person. It really hits hard when Marcy knows the Anne and Sasha in front of her are fake because they take such an interest in questing with her within the Core Matrix like environment.

[@mackielunkey2205]

What I also love about it is that their relationship isn’t considered bad just because of toxic elements. It’s a human relationship, good AND bad.

[@jbcatz5]

Mackie Lunkey It’s the three characters taking responsibility for where they went wrong, Sasha even rejects a leadership position in the rebellion when Anne gets back because she’s afraid of what power may do to her. It’s a shame the show didn’t explore Sasha’s home life in any detail, just that her parents were separated by the time of the Christmas episode.

[@mackielunkey2205]

@@jbcatz5 I think it's a shame too! I think that's why she's so controlling in life, because she wants some sort of it. I feel that her bisexuality is a factor too, since she's shown to be closeted, and to me, probably afraid that people will reject her if she reveals it. I think I'm reading too much into it though.

[@jbcatz5]

Mackie Lunkey If 3A had an episode where Anne looked into contacting the Waybrights and the Wus it could have given some pathos to fact she made it home but their daughters didn’t and better lead into the close out of the Christmas episode.

[@Cartoonshi]

I think the idea with The Collector now being the main threat is the fact that you DON'T know what he's going to do. A literal child being given godlike powers who's introduced by one-shotting the main antagonist, moving the moon with a finger swipe, and then begins to terraform the Isles all because they want to play a game. While I would've preferred Belos sticking as the main threat for Season 3 (even though he's definitely not dead) I won't say the Collector twist is "pedestrian" and I kinda see the potential with it. Banger season tho.

[@alistairtudor273]

Oh, how the tables have turned 😆

[@BugVlogs]

Love your channel, I’m excited to see your next Owl House video!

[@folkloric3059]

Well not knowing a villain's motivations is... well... it poorly establishes stakes. In the context of the audience's engagement/interaction with a story, it's much more captivating to watch a villain with a specific goal in mind, and then see the steps he takes in achieving that goal. For example, "Oh crap, Thanos got another infinity stone. Two more and he'll be able to kill half of all life." That's the subconscious thought the audience of Infinity War is thinking. However, if some guy named Thanos shows up, and starts collecting these rocks, but doesn't explain why... well, why should we (the audience) care? Sure, the writer can say he's gonna do something bad with those stones, but that's not as interesting as if we actually know what he is going to do. Belos was threatening/interesting because we knew what he was going to do. The Collector just showed up, effectively said, "Look I'm the bad guy now." without explaining why they're more interesting/threatening than Belos.

[@Cartoonshi]

@@folkloric3059 I understand that and agree to an extent. I still prefer Belos as a villain and if the show was given enough time I would've liked it if this scene wasn't as rushed (because it defintiely is, despite being good). That said, I don't think The Collector poorly establishes the stakes, I think they're pretty clear: He's going to end up turning the Isles upside down and wreaking havoc because he's a child and thinks its all a game. I think that's a good idea for a villain, but I agree there needed to be more than that if they wanted everyone to be on board with him game ending Belos in half a second. Still curious to how it'll play out.

[@grayfox4819]

... You?! PRAISING THE OWL HOUSE?! WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!

[@celestial.guardian]

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t giggle when they put a news article about Anne in “frog land” on Luz’s Mom’s iPad

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

So does this imply that both the owl house and amphibia take place in the same universe?

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 of course. It also takes place in the same universe as gravity falls.

[@loopzys]

yep I remember exactly

[@Itsetanaj]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 yeah this pretty much confirms it at this point.

[@tarnsanders259]

@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 And Eda is Grunkle Stan's ex-wife.

[@nicholasho1595]

Happy birthday Patrick. Rest in peace.

[@potturtle366]

bro was a real one. he will be missed ✊😔

[@erikab370]

Let’s hope he’s watching season three of the show along with King’s dad right now.✊😞

[@EmeraldKeys]

I really like how despite differences in opinions on Amphibia and Owl House, we are able to put them aside just to shit on Star VS the Forces of Evil and its ending

[@niveapatrocinio4987]

lol i would love to see him complaning about the entire svtfoe everyday

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Star VS The Forces Of Evil started off great with Season 1, became good with Season 2, but then started to become mediocre with Season 3 and ended up being awful in Season 4

[@ChespinCraft]

@@mariajimenafigueroa233 though I haven’t seen the show since it aired, I actually remember liking season 2 more than 1 and 3 just as much as 2 if not more. Season 4 the show definitely went downhill though.

[@emoji3266]

Just watch the first two seasons and you’re not missing much.

[@ramirolosadamedina7843]

The moment SVTFOE killed off Toffee it all went to shit.

[@ramseyalbergotti]

It's also important to note that The Owl House was cut short by Disney, so it's understandable how rushed the collector felt, as they had to do damage control after the cancellations. If Amphibia was cut like TOH was, True Colors probably would have been rushed in a similar way to TOH. My guess is that The Core would have made an appearance.

[@do-not-subscribe]

No, the Collector was added into the show because of the third season getting cut short. Dana said that without the cut Season 3, The Collector wouldn't be in the show at all.

[@spiderqueen8463]

@@do-not-subscribe actually she did say there were ideas lingering in her storyboards and concept arts for the colelctor to appear, she just said she was debating throwing the collector into the show or not. im happy they did honestly. hes so fun.

[@ramseyalbergotti]

@@do-not-subscribe yeah ik, i meant that the collector WAS the damage control for the cut season.

[@AlanJia8]

@@do-not-subscribe Uh...how?

[@koji6745]

God dammit

[@tigerguy529]

I disagree that the Collector is "less threatening" than Belos just because we haven't seen him hurt anyone yet. I mean, he freely gave Belos the draining spell in the first place. Yes, it was in order to free himself, but he openly spoke about how fun he thought it would be to see everyone die horribly. Unlike Belos who simply had an evil goal that he strove for, the Collector is a sadistic god who sees the world as his toychest, and he seems to enjoy breaking his toys.

[@bigbangpegasusmaster]

It's weird, I do think he'll work in s3, but with how he is it feels he wouldn't really want to harm anyone, can't have a game without players

[@pieromorantearenaza4801]

Yeah but belos just has so much more presence

[@BrandonJames2016]

@@bigbangpegasusmaster have you seen how kids act when you try to take away their toys (the citizens of the boiling isles) he will do anything not to let anyone ruin his fun again

[@drag0nballdurag873]

@@BrandonJames2016 yea but kids are easy to manipulate and the collector is no exception, also he’s not shown to be pure evil like belos right now he just kinda seems naive with the powers of a god.

[@KaminoKatie]

The Collector is going to plunge The Boiling Isles into eternal chaos

[@LexiTheStarQueen]

"Odalia needed more buildup" To quote Luz: "Maybe if we had time for 20 more adventures, but we don't" (This is meant to be a joke)

[@DLxxx]

Criticism is criticism.. Even the shows creator expressed how she wanted people to judge the show based on its merits (without having this defeatist attitude that it will never be as good as it could've been).

[@wankawanka3053]

They could have skipped the flash back episode

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

@@wankawanka3053 but that one was amazing! It was awesome to see how Eda was in school and how she and Raine met! Honestly, I’m VERY glad that one wasn’t cut.

[@folkloric3059]

I don't think it's fair to cite the reduction of season 3 as a justification for subpar writing (not to say the Owl House is subpar, it isn't.) The team knew well in advance the limitations they (obviously unjustly) now had to face, and did their best to work around them. In most ways they succeeded, in some others, they didn't.

[@LexiTheStarQueen]

@@folkloric3059 it was meant to be a joke, sorry I should've specified

[@theultimatesagavan6287]

I think the Collector is a decent thematic parallel to Luz. They're a child like God creature that refuses to grow up which compliments Luz since she had to learn to grow up when she got to the isles.

[@damkylan3]

Luz and King both. Luz for those reasons, and King because he's likely about to learn what it's like to be a despotic overlord over innocent people like he always wanted before he matured. And it's ultimately because of Collector that the Owl Beast came to inhabit Eda, even if Lilith's role can't be understated. Point being, he has a connection to all three mains.

[@DLxxx]

Yeah, but it felt like Belos worked as a better foil and enemy for Luz. They were both humans who stuck to their principles to save the people they cared about (for Luz it was her friends and family, and for Belos it was humanity), but one grew up in an era of cruel bigotry and close mindedness. And overall, Belos was just more complex and thematically appropriate for a show about witches, status, and societal issues.

[@vedji1857]

Luz’s escapism through her imagination and witch fantasy reflects the collector; they both just wanna have fun but are unaware of the consequences. The collector wants to play with everyone, even if it kills them. Luz wants to escape to a world of magic and fantasy, not acknowledging how it will hurt her mother and the choice she has to make.

[@camarvan]

@@vedji1857 Belos also fulfills that though. And if the Collector wasn't around we'd have time to explore that

[@LKC27]

@@camarvan except... no??? Can you explain how belos is unaware of consequences? Because the show clearly shows that he is a master of knowing consequences and changing them. How does he reflect luz in her “just wanted to have fun” sort of way? I could understand the fantasy parallels (with him as a kid fantasizing of being a witch Hunter and telling luz that he wants to be a general) but definitely not the imagination and unawaringly hurting others to have fun that the collector does

[@selfloathinggameing]

A lot of the problems with Owl House S2b really are just not enough time. The Illusion Hexside alone easily contained three episodes worth of ideas, and you could really tell that Gus meeting Willow was originally supposed to be a standalone epusode. Obviously the same goes for Odalia and the Collector

[@Jak239JC]

Season 3 getting cut will do that but I still love thier efforts to continue on and doing best on what they can show.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that, bro. They hate LGBT-Representation. Make ya wonder who to vote for, aaaaye?

[@StormyTea]

I loved it when morbius showed up and said "it's collectin time"

[@chickenonacookie2045]

That was 100% the best part of the movie

[@thewhitewolf3426]

Siiiiiggghhhh as if this joke wasn’t funny the last 1 million times

[@awesomegaymer5786]

@@thewhitewolf3426 no... A morbillion times

[@AJ-xc4qe]

It's funny because I'm reminded of when Andy Samberg's guest character in a SpongeBob episode says this.

[@emoji3266]

I thought Thanos would say that

[@peanutkix]

Belos is definitely not dead. The goop closes the door during the credits.

[@sadnessofwildgoats]

and some goop sneaks away on hunter

[@thenailsageofgeo4975]

Yeah, the characters may think he is dead, but the audience has enough info to reasonably assume he is still alive

[@emoji3266]

Schaffrillas needs to talk more about Ice Age. Maybe a retrospective video since it officially ended. It’s also a good opportunity to introduce Sid the Sloth in Encanto.

[@exileforever2508]

Honestly I still have more hope for him than Toffee at this point

[@TheMightyGlizzy]

@@exileforever2508 Doubt they’d pull that bs with Owl House

[@dropthebass7945]

I like how when king Andrias was finally revealed to be a villain, he was made a huge threat straight off the bat by attempting to kill Polly, attempting to kill sprig, and actually killing Frobo and Marcy. This combined with the warning you would receive when watching the show really kept you guessing who was safe or not.

[@DLxxx]

Yes, all of this! They did such an excellent job selling Andrias as a villain and a character with layers (setting the groundwork for the development we'd get for him in season 3, to the point where you can already tell how he was meant to be a foil to Anne).

[@ms.talmania4905]

King andrias just murdering people was crazy to me. Not a lot of cartoons drop the “k” word and show a middle schooler getting stabbed in the chest. It was insane

[@filelost9194]

@@ms.talmania4905 "Ayo Product Team, we need a twist villan!" "K" *casually impales a child* "Bro, what the fuck?"

[@historicflame972]

Vendrick really went downhill after Nashandra's divorce

[@michaeldelaparra3330]

He didnt really kill anyone though

[@matthewmasucci1425]

I used to have a feeling that the Collector didn't thematically tie into the show. But now I see how he does. You were saying how the heroes of the show embrace "wild magic" and "expressing who you are". Well, the Collector is technically doing *exactly* that, but he's being completely irresponsible; you might even say he's being *wild* with his *magic*. While Luz learned to hone her powers to help those around her, the Collector only uses them for completely selfish purposes. In a sense, Belos was right about magic; while hurting innocent witches and demons isn't the answer, there are in fact beings who will use their power to hurt others, like the Collector. Even if he isn't aware what he's doing is wrong, even if he isn't technically evil, he's abusing his abilities to uproot peoples' lives. In a way, both Belos and the Collector are foils to Luz. Luz wants to embrace her magic to help others and express herself, Belos wants to stop anyone from having such power, and the Collector just uses the power for his own gain with no regard for anyone.

[@Ironicuss]

This

[@Dd13444]

This show is so fucking amazing...

[@Ryan_Metzelar]

The collector is more exactly what would have happened to king if he didn’t get his character development before finding out he’s a titan

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

The Collector is the embodiment of the “chaotic neutral” alignment.

[@darrylbonner7208]

That actually sounds really good

[@koramoon6916]

I can't believe Schaffrillas went through an entire owl house segment without talking about Lumity, when 2b had the best Lumity scene in the whole show so far.

[@akifansari7698]

there was no sweet potato namedrop 😔

[@Rosa-he6xb]

I mean he did at least mention the kiss

[@zenatrical]

and he didnt even talk about Darcy either

[@anastasia_852]

@@zenatrical I was literally about to type that lol. I'm kinda suprised that he didn't

[@aacmbirdzilla2343]

It's been common from James the set apart or skip the parts that people expect him to talk the most to concentrate in all the points he wants to highlight, in the 2010's ranking video he explained all the reasons why he loved Moana so much, but talk a few seconds of Tamatoa near the end, in the Oscars video, he completely skipped the Will Smith Slap (thank god he did that) to talk about everything else, and the same happened here with Lumity

[@GAVIN00006]

Interesting fact, on the "post hoot" show some of the cast and crew did during s2b, they confirmed that the collector was only created after they found out about the shortening of season 3, so the collector wouldn't have even existed if it weren't for that.

[@nathanlalonde7212]

Why didn't they just push the day of unity stuff to season 3 then, that would have freed up a few episode slots in season 2.

[@KaminoKatie]

It's a small price to pay for salvation

[@qu1ll1on]

@Nathan LaLonde Because there’s only 3 FREAKING 45 MINUTE LONG EPISODES LEFT. Anyways I do agree that if we had gotten and 19, 21, and 20 episode long seasons, it would have been built up so much better, but what they did with it was adequate.

[@DERADI30]

@@nathanlalonde7212 The collector did shake up the status quo quite a bit. They could have stretched out the stuff we've gotten until now and made the S2 finale the end of the show. Since they instead opted to introduce a deus ex to move it forward instead of backwards suggests to me that they decided that the stuff they planned for after bellos's defeat was more important to them than fleshing out what leads up to it.

[@folkloric3059]

So then why does the Collector exist? Why can't Belos be the final antagonist for the last three episodes of the show?

[@eclecticspaghetti]

I literally can’t stop referring to the Collector as the Outsider, no matter how many times I hear their actual name.

[@lukasier26]

Like as the Outsider from Dishonored?

[@eclecticspaghetti]

@@lukasier26 yes exactly that

[@lukasier26]

@@eclecticspaghetti Bruh, Dishonored is one of my favorite games ever. I like characters which are similar to the Outsider even if I'm already used to the name "Collector" because of Mortal Kombat character with the same name

[@samuelrosario466]

their real name is Enzo Gabriel

[@brandonandujar2289]

@@samuelrosario466 His real name

[@austinsmith538]

I disagree with the notion of "we don't know why the collector started this titan killing cult", he mentioned that a titan locked him away from the physical world, so, it was clear to me.

[@madhattey]

I heavily disagree that the collector is not as horrifying, the fact that they're so vague and have moral-ambiguity with god-like powers makes them potentially scary! I think the way Belos was splat like a damn fly cause it completely shut down how terrifying he is an antagonist only to be treated as pathetic when he gets one shot by a cHILD. Also because of how obsessed he is with his own goals and fucked up morals and betraying anyone no matter how loyal they are to him, it ultimately becomes his downfall- it makes him downright stupid in fact especially betraying a godly child, and I love it. Although I definitely agree how many things in this 2B part of the season felt rushed- I also don't get the chemistry of Hunter and Willow at all; absolutely not the crew's fault. I don't think it's fair to compare this show to Amphibia, since that show had all the time and creative freedom without getting abruptly cancelled. Disney really threw The Owl House under the bus all because of not "fitting the Disney brand" which pisses me off still to this day, so much build-up in plot and fun mundane episodes could've been made.

[@talnuzman8833]

I too don't get Huntlow.

[@Rosa-he6xb]

I mean, okay this is probably not the same for all Huntlow shippers, but for me, here’s why I like the idea of Huntlow: You got two individuals who throughout their lives has dealt with being treated differently because of their lack of magic. Yes, Willow does have magic and can use it unlike Hunter, but she had a rough start and it caused her to be bullied for years with the nickname “Half-a-witch Willow”. Hunter while we don’t get to see much of him struggling due to not having magic or be treated unfairly(probably because of the show’s cancellation/shortening), but knowing how Hunter work hard as the Golden Guard and how a lot of EC members backstab each other a lot, I can see Hunter being look down upon or bullied by any EC members for them thinking someone who lacks magic doesn’t deserve the GG title. Another thing is these two have a great friendship with Willow giving Hunter validation for his skills in a genuine way(not a manipulative way like Belos by making him endanger himself) and vice versa with Hunter helping improve Willow’s confidence(helping her with her flyer derby team and even giving her a respectable title like Captain). Bonus: Since Hunter is a nerd for wild magic we seen, I can totally see him and Willow talking about history of Plant magic for hours. Though I see why a lot of people don’t ship it or just like them as friends, maybe if the show wasn’t shorten we would’ve gotten a better development for this ship, but hey we’ll take what we’ll get and agree to disagree on feelings towards this ship.

[@madhattey]

@@Rosa-he6xb eh, even if it does get better development I rather have them be very platonic, because there's a huge lack of f/m platonic dynamics, it's always a constant default in mainstream media to put em together cause they're guy and girl. :\ And personally to me, I headcanon Hunter as gay and trans, because self-projecting reasons and also I love him with Huntric, so I'd take any crumb of interaction possible lol. But I know they're never gonna be canon and it's so obvious Huntlow is gonna be canon, so I'll just have to make peace with it and enjoy the rest of the show for it is, cause regardless it's an amazing show.

[@fool4343]

i would love if huntlow would stay one sided i get falling in love w the witch being who shows how to be kind and stand your ground esp when you lived your life in a very toxic situation but idk what willow would find in hunter

[@madhattey]

@@fool4343 I wish the huntlow wasnt written in the first place, cause if it's one-sided Hunter would just be rejected which is just another turmoil of heartbreak. And considering the crew jokes about how “easy it is to torture Hunter as a character” I really do not wish him to go through pain constantly :/

[@realsanmer]

Philip/Belos being a "I'm a good guy!" villain reminds me of what Camila said in Yesterday's Lie: "Yeah, a lot of bad guys say that."

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Gotta slap that Belos goop with La Chancla

[@genericname2747]

@@infinityheart_tm9270 if Belos doesn't get defeated by La Chancla, I will riot

[@viliamsneakman1508]

Sometimes Belos reminds me to Bishop from TMNT 2003.

[@i.j.dragonfly3123]

Here's how I think of it. Amphibia is a 6-hour potluck lunch. Everybody who comes first brings the mediocre stuff like the veggie plates and the coleslaw with too much mayonnaise, but if you wait around long enough, more guests start showing up with the homemade pizza and the weird but surprisingly awesome family recipes and the huge tinfoil trays of the best pasta you've ever had in your life. You just need to have a little patience and enjoy the party. (Also, coleslaw is delicious, fuck you) The Owl House is a gourmet meal at a Michelin Star restaurant, but here's the catch: you get 15 minutes to eat everything. So you shovel in the salad and burn yourself on the soup and stuff your face with ribeye steak, only for the waiter to come by and snatch away your molten chocolate lava cake while it's still dripping. And then you get shoved out the door and told that they're closing forever at noon the next day. Can't blame the chefs; you just wish you'd been there three hours earlier.

[@user-gp5yz5yz4x]

Wtf am I even going to watch on Disney when the owl house is over, I don't give a fuck about their shitty star wars stories

[@lunarasteroidshideout]

This reply is going into my notes

[@danielsoares3099]

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[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, yeah, pretty, i guess.

[@Sing_LoveWRS]

Neat

[@BugVlogs]

My favorite scene from Owl House was when Morbius said “It’s Owlin’ time!”

[@MuffinEnjoyer]

Not funny at all

[@kvetchenfinks7044]

@@MuffinEnjoyer your name is literally zoo wee mama

[@MuffinEnjoyer]

@@kvetchenfinks7044 doesn't make his comment funny... the reason my username is ZooWeeMama is an inside joke with friends. The morbin time meme is dead and combining it with this awful show Owl House makes the joke even worse.

[@jackkrmn]

@@MuffinEnjoyer your input is noted, ZooWeeMama

[@jackkrmn]

@@MuffinEnjoyer "the reason my name is blablablablablablablablablablabla"

[@rnelody5496]

I'm honestly just really impressed with what the Owl House managed to do with Hunter. Like, he got a genuinely incredibly compelling character arc with themes of child abuse and the effect that growing up in a cult has had on his development, he's goofy at times but not incompetent, and whenever he has a really cheesy line, you can tell it's the CHARACTER trying too hard and not the SHOW. He's got really bad mental health issues, but they're written in a very realistic way, meaning they don't turn him into an evil bad guy or a wet towel when they come to the forefront. He's got so much character and lore dedicated to him that he's started feeling like a secondary protagonist to Luz, and he only appears in like eight episodes. I also really appreciate that they paired him with Gus and Willow instead of with Luz. Him and Luz have a really fun dynamic, don't get me wrong, and the moments they have together are great, but making Hunter part of the B-Team means the Owl House Gang can continue growing as a family unit without absorbing ANOTHER bad-guy-who-got-booted-from-the-Emperor's-Coven into the mix, it gives Gus especially a lot more compelling character moments, AND it allows the show to both address Hunter's trauma and let him be an actual kid. And yeah, you can definitely feel the effects of the cancellation. I would have loved to see more of him as an actual villain, the relationship with him, Gus and Willow is mostly built up off-screen, and there's a lot of character building between him and Darius that we never got to see, but as with most things about the Owl House, the Mouse's decisions meant a lot of cut content.

[@rattyeely]

Big agree

[@AnEmu404]

Massive agree

[@tacothursday7364]

Immensely agree

[@theleviathan7546]

Tremendous agree

[@astraphobia0761]

Gargantuan agree

[@WDB2005]

Yo Schafrillas I might as well correct your “skip these episodes list” and tell you that Lily Pad Thai is super important to Anne’s character growth because she fixes up an abandoned restaurant and helps somebody in the end and uses her own culture to help :]

[@darwinbowman8512]

Also, the thai fued episode in season 3 only makes sense because of UT being mentioned in lily pad thai. Plus lily pad thai establishes how stunpys spatula is made out of bones which comes back in 3b in the sprivy episode for a mission. While none of these aspects progresss the story it proves matt braly's point: there is indeed no filler

[@fangirl_43]

@@darwinbowman8512 Tbh, all of the episodes in his "list" are important to characters development and world building. Even if you don't like an episode (which is okay), every single one of them are important because of their relevance later on

[@parkerking6410]

@@fangirl_43 I don't remember where exactly I read/heard this, but I think Matt mentioned how Disney wanted them to have a more silly first season, and that they really weren't able to get to the story as fast as they wanted. With that said, I love how they handled the first season. Like you said, in the context of the whole show, each of those episodes matter. However, I still agree that a lot of the first season can be skipped and somebody can still understand the events of the show and fall in love with it.

[@gloestickk]

Mhm !!

[@tariqdotpng546]

Yeah to me every episode felt important even in the smallest cases. Not everything has to lead to this big moment but I do think getting to know the people of Wartwood helps establish each one and Anne’s relationship to them. Makes her little speech at the end more impactful

[@rustysoupcan935]

It was so satisfying seeing you gradually start to love Amphibia, from 6/10 to 8/10 to now this. And yeah, I feel the collector was really hurt by the cancellation. There probably would have been a lot of more buildup had season 3 not been cancelled

[@sirraven_]

Idk, I feel if we had ANOTHER season of buildup, ending with the series finale being the collector, then we took too long to get there. I like how it was set up in season 2, for it to conclude in its finale. Same with belos being set up in season 1, and the battle and "defeat" in season 2.

[@kaiyote7924]

they even make jokes in show about "not having enough time". its really hard to hate on owl house for its faults when it has been deliberately hindered ON PURPOSE by the execs

[@toadlord8594]

“Maybe if we had time for 20 more adventures, but we don’t!” Luz Noceda 2022

[@emoji3266]

Disney… They kill things that we like

[@masterseal0418]

Owl House had the same fate as Invader Zim and Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. Someday, Disney should just bring back Owl House thanks to the devoted fanbase, but I'm upset that they blamed Dana Terrace for 'ruining' their brand like what CN did with Maxwell Atoms, which makes no sense whatsoever for the both of them.

[@potatohat3994]

The fact that Marcy got stabbed and fell in the family guy death pose and it STILL a very shocking and serious scene shows how high tier Amphibia is

[@emoji3266]

Qui Gon wishes

[@pinkajou656]

What’s the Family Guy Death Pose?

[@Greggers1516]

Wouldn’t say it’s high tier because of a couple cool moments, but it’s fun

[@mudskie4394]

@@pinkajou656 back facing to the viewer and one arm that's on the top goes to the back

[@vonKobra]

"Amphibia has a liar reveal that is good and a twist villain that is good" How does that instantly give it a full bonus point, if not two.?!?

[@dantemitsoyu977]

Cause everything else doesn’t match up

[@shadowmasterking6542]

Darcy is a hero

[@emoji3266]

That was their missssssss Calculation

[@maodoodles]

@@shadowmasterking6542 You. You understand the truth. One of the very few things I hoped to see Schaffrillas mention was how amazing Darcy was, despite the very little screen time they got. But I still agreed with most of what he said, a fantastic review.

[@shadowmasterking6542]

@@maodoodles agreed the core/Darcy are the hero of amphibia

[@TrainWreckYT]

I agree with the full list of skippable episodes EXCEPT Lily Pad Thai. When I watched Amphibia, I accidentally skipped this episode and then it took until well into season 2 to realise Anne was Thai. Edit: also Fiddle me this sets up Sprig's violin playing and Hop Pop's high expectations for him which is important for some later episodes like Sprig Gets Schooled, and Croak and Punishment furthers Sprig and Ivy's relationship. Theyre not super vital to watch, but just so you know.

[@alex_mcburney]

I literally got chills when Marcy said “I gave you Sprig, I gave you everything”. Fucking perfect Edit:Also Marcy’s scream when the core takes over

[@StormyTea]

Amphibia is a very memorable show to watch, i loved it every single step of the way.

[@rootbourne4454]

Thank you Comerade Doofenmirtz

[@shadowmasterking6542]

Darcy is a hero

[@cacadordetrolls9653]

My favorite show

[@shadowmasterking6542]

@@cacadordetrolls9653 because Darcy is the hero right

[@emoji3266]

Ah yes my favorite heroes Sexy Link from Breath of the Wild Edelgard from Fire Embull And then there’s Darcy

[@roguepumpkin1514]

I honestly think the collectors ambiguity is the horror, they’re a wildcard where we don’t know their intentions or abilities. Pushing bellows aside for the time being was a show of how powerful he is. Added on I wouldn’t be surprised if this is only setup for the collector and we’re gonna learn more about them later and possibly even sympathize with them. It’s the darkest hour we don’t know if everyone is ok or not the unknown is the stakes and emotional core.

[@roguepumpkin1514]

Adding in to that I found amphibian’s finale a bit disappointing. It felt like a lot of payoff with not enough setup with it feeling with a lot of fan service rather than a natural end to the conflict with the core. Everything after the war was very well done though.

[@emoji3266]

I don’t know why but the Collector reminds me of Dimentio.

[@demetrian7856]

@@roguepumpkin1514 Yeah I don't really like it either, like with both s2 and s3... like, "ooh powers now" that just didn't feel developed enough and more like plot armor. I also kinda wish they let her die, just sick of death being so absolutely useless in fantastical stories.

[@roguepumpkin1514]

@@demetrian7856 YEAH Matt said in an interview they did the whole copy paste thing to make sure her sacrifice still ment something but it’s a throwaway line that could’ve been easily missed. And effectively it just undos her whole sacrifice like what gravity falls did with Stan

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

@@emoji3266 Interestingly enough, The Collector reminds me of Jevil and Jevil is similar to Dimentio.

[@courier4289]

I have a slight idea about how the collector ties into themes of the show. He’s the anti belos. Belos is all against wild magic, stuck in the past and all that. While the collector is what seems to be wild magic made manifest. Irrational, hard to explain, and without that many cares. It goes from one extreme antagonist to another and I kinda dig it

[@oneepicmess7752]

He’s likely tied in by the idea that too much wildness and too much carelessness is dangerous and bad. You need to be able to have your ‘wild magic’ without hurting others.

[@averymon2292]

I think its supposed to represent the balance I suppose?

[@damkylan3]

I actually think the Collector is a perfect encapsulation of the show's themes, because he's basically the worst-case scenario of what Luz could have become if she hadn't found the structure and connections she did in the Isles, minus the godlike power. Much like how she used to be, he's just a kid who has no comprehension of how his fun might hurt others, but taken to the extreme, and he's always on about new friends to play with, which Luz was lucky enough to find. And he was made to endure consequences in the form of imprisonment for his actions, which is kind of what Luz felt about her consequences in the beginning, but again, much more extreme. And it's not just Luz. Nearly every character in the show has been an outsider in some way, but grew and developed through forming special connections with people. Even Belos was an outsider, but his is the allotted dark twist on the concept by him forming connections purely out of manipulation and convenience to him. But Collector has never had those connections and still doesn't. He likes King, but he doesn't know that King has manipulated him just like Belos did, and isn't really his friend. Not at the moment, anyway. I like to think he'll have that moment of realizing nobody wants to be his friend, which will either crush him, or massively piss him off. Depending on how they intend to deal with his threat.

[@sadsparkii]

LITERALLY THO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING It just makes so much SENSE!

[@SkatingJellyfish]

Im only here to say, Happy birthday Patrick. I hope you are resting and thanks for everything

[@catzplayers190]

The way I see the Collector is that they represent being unable to change. Unlike Luz, they stay as a child and while Luz gains power and grows from it, the Collector has always had power, and doesn't grow from it, and they can't listen to others, which they see beneath them, while Luz looks up to the people around her in the Isles

[@KaminoKatie]

I'm thinking that The Collector is what Luz would've become if she haven't went to The Boiling Isles

[@kingofthekart]

so belos is complete rejection of fantasy and the collector is full embrace of it. i actually never thought of it like that

[@blep8895]

I really want them to show the parallels between Collector and King. King was a child who wanted power and was a chaotic little guy at the beginning of the show but he learned more about himself and grew as a person. If S1 King had the powers that Collector had he would’ve gone mad with power as well (of course he didn’t have those powers, but I’m just saying).

[@folkloric3059]

That's an interesting thought, however, the Collector hasn't had enough screen time to indicate that that's the goal of the writers.

[@boshlovely2002]

@@folkloric3059 The collector has been said to have been alive for centuries, implied that he’s always been that powerful, and quite clearly always acted like a child and when him and belos were allied he would joke about how their games would ruin peoples lives and have them screaming and all that we actually have gotten plenty of info regarding the collector to come to that conclusion

[@NuberCuber]

As an autistic person who struggles a lot with change, the Amphibia finale really resonated with me in a very visceral way. It will always have a very special place in my heart, and it'll be tough seeing The Owl House go as well.

[@RutraNickers]

I don't know how Disney is still capable of disapointing me, but they did it again after cancelling Owl House for such bs reason

[@trika91]

The Owl House got Steven Universe’d. The third season was cut short due to “gay space rock alien wedding”, and they had to scramble the story of season 4 in just a few episodes to close the series. Still don’t why CN gave SU a movie and a 10 episode season AFTER canceling the fourth season and cutting season three short? Like, “hey, we’re canceling your show, but you still get to do your movie. Oh, the series is still popular? Well, we’ll give you another 10 episodes to finish anything, but that’s it. Okay bye”. 🤷‍♀️

[@emoji3266]

Disney… the show where only heterosexual couples exist

[@tashaem1]

@trika91 Steven Universe had more then enough episodes to tell its story. Bad pacing is what hurt that show.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Disney being homophobic is exactly why the shut down Blue Sky’s final film then Netflix came in saved their asses

[@boshlovely2002]

@@tashaem1 this, i can’t sympathize with SU because it had an abundance of time and they willfully chose to waste

[@user-wm1yc2gk2w]

To me the final seperation worked because: A. Luz is separated from King and Eda, her core family in the Boiling Isles B. Luz is separated from the Boiling Isles itself. Luz has this dilemma of where she belongs, and once again she didn't get to choose. She's stuck in the Human realm.

[@Walking_Spinel]

It's mentioned a couple times how Luz didn't have any friends back at school, and I think that with Luz's friends in the human world, Camila can see the friends Luz made at the Boiling Isles and see how much she's matured

[@Lichtkrieger13]

What I find so incredibly interesting about Amphibia is that the entire series is good. nothing more; nothing less. And then there are the special episodes - which just blow EVERYTHING out of the park.

[@robbieking4070]

Andrias was the Ramses of Disney villains. A slave to his ancestor’s ideals and blinded by his fear of being a ‘weak link’ and not meeting his Father’s cruel expectations. But in the end, all he ever wanted was a life with his dear friends, his true family, in it.

[@almightypreistoffrog3523]

I adore everything about Amphibia personally. I love how season 1 took its time to flesh out the world and the people of Wartwood to make you care, how it sets up the pieces of Sasha's character. It hints at and lays the foundations for everything in season two, even if it's subtle. Having Anne and Sprig be the focus of development really felt nice, seeing her begin to come into her own in Amphibia. To love herself and stand up for what she believes and and/or is right. Hop pop is Hop pop. And overall I loved the feel of it, season one gives that vibe of wonder and amazement yet intrigue and mystery of the world, helping feel on the same page as Anne. And so when season two kicks off, we're just as amazed by the rest of this world as they are. Not gonna talk about season 2, I'd be here for an hour. I really liked season 3 a lot, loved it even, and thought what we got was really good, but I'd be lying I said that they weren't things I wish we had gotten but didn't. Oh well. This is long enough and I don't want to write an essay.

[@Froggy_Turtles]

Yeah S3 is a great season even though it had some flaws but i don’t get salty about it i just had nitpicks tbh

[@FearlessGamer27]

Quite honestly, I love Amphibia way more than I ever expected to. I heard there was a lot of filler and kind of got scared off of watching the show initially but wow does this show do filler right. Not many mediums exist when you can look at an entire community of 10+ people and know their names, personalities and lives and end up liking and loving all of them. Season 1 set all that up showing Anne change every episode and learning to get along with every member. Season 2 expanded upon the world and showed the variety of cultures there are along with deepening our bonds with Anne, Sasha and Marcy. And season 3 brought all the characters together and allowed for a sense of meaning to all the strife that had occurred through the show. I like the owl house, but man did this show do a lot for me.

[@braedenfullam7936]

Amphibia is my personal favorite cartoon because it's the one I see myself in the most. The story is amazing (especially in season 2), the world is creative, and the tone expertly balances humor and drama, but above all, I feel like I really got to grow with these characters. I was about the age Anne was when I started watching, and had problems really similar to hers. A bit selfish, a pushover, not having many great friends, and generally unambitious and not knowing what I wanted to do with my life. As I got to watch Anne grow with the people around her, improving the lives of everyone she met, repairing her past damaged relationships, and her overall growth as an individual, I saw myself becoming a better person in the process. I made much better friends in the following years, which helped me gain much more confidence and self love, which pushed me to help my community and family in any way I could. It even made me think about my future, wanting to go into animation myself so that I could make a show like Amphibia, the one that inspired me the most. This show isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea, and I can see why, and there are valid criticisms of this show. But none of that really matters to me, because it might be the single work of fiction that has changed me the most as an individual. Amphibia made me a better person, and I felt like I truly belonged in my community as much as I connected with Anne and her frog family. Saying goodbye to Amphibia was like saying goodbye to a part of my childhood, and it was hard. But I'm eternally grateful for what this show means to me and so many people, and I hope this show, among others, continue to inspire other people to be better. Thanks, Amphibia. I'll miss you

[@edman813]

While I admit Anne did show growth having gone from an extremely generic 13 year old teen girl and having matured, I feel she shouldn't have been the one that really needed to have gone through that. Instead it should have been Marcy, Marcy should have been the main character and she was the one that needed to have grown and developed, unlike Anne she was the one that did more wrong and had the most push of which Anne had to clean up.

[@moviesandtvseriesclips1619]

If I had a Nickel every time the main character came back to her Home world with her Friends, while her other Friends are trapped in the other World with the Bad Guy, I would have two Nickels. Which isn't much but it's weird that it happens twice right?

[@hunterlawrence3573]

Della's return from the moon also kind of fits, so, three nickels?

[@squidsurge71]

Ah, a fellow Phineas and Ferb fan, how unexpected. And by unexpected, I mean, COMPLETELY EXPECTED!

[@KaminoKatie]

That's probably the actual reason why Disney cut off TOH's season 3

[@eladamittai2753]

Some say it's copying, but ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN!!!

[@emoji3266]

What about…. No! Do not bring up the show that ruined the finale. It does not exist!

[@lckaboom6810]

In terms of the Collector tying in to the show’s themes, I think it might be something to do with the fact that he just does whatever he wants without considering how it affects others. Like Season 1 Luz, but on a much larger scale.

[@firekirby123]

Also, the collector is practically a living embodiment of the concept of the "Wild Magic" which the protagonists thought they wanted to fight for this entire time. I could very easily see this coming to a resolution where the structure Belos built in the Boiling Isles remains to keep the more destructive elements of wild magic from getting TOO out of hand, just not to the extent of completely eradicating the good aspects wild magic has to offer, which Belos was originally planning to do. (assuming there's even anything LEFT of the Boiling Isles once everyone gets back there, ofc)

[@chongwillson972]

@@firekirby123 the collector could also be a foil for king , and the type of person he would of be if he didnt mature .

[@firekirby123]

@@chongwillson972 I could definitely see that!

[@boshlovely2002]

@@firekirby123 Not necessarily, the collector is implied to have magic that isn’t sourced from the titan so in his case it’s not even the same as the people of the boiling isles, so punishing the isles residents for an outsiders sins seems unfair

[@firekirby123]

@@boshlovely2002 Fair point. Though, The Collectors' power could very well be sourced from the titan, just in a different method. Also to clarify, the idea I was proposing shouldn't be a punishment. People being allowed to practice whatever schools of magic they desire, for example, is a bad restriction made for evil purposes that should definitely not be upheld afterwards. But having an elite task force that specialize in those schools of magic along with a militia to protect against legitimate threats to people living on the isles? Probably not an awful idea. After all, who _knows_ if other entities like the Collector exist in their world. And even if there aren't, there _is_ an entire civilization of Titan Hunters that probably aren't going to be too keen about King, so I doubt they're gonna look kindly upon the Isles if he's living there.

[@AntonioCruz-jp4bh]

Considering how much fans of the show adore the ending and the knowledge that the collector was captured by kings father (the growl during echoes of the past was probably the fight between him and the collector, ending in his death and the collectors capture), I would not call the finale pedestrian by any means. Belos is still a threat after that bit of him went with hunter, the collector obviously has a ton of power and little maturity so the threat is already large without them showing it outright, leaving it to the imagination as to what they can and will do, and the coven witches might still be alive but are now weakened with less power because of being drained so much already. I respect your opinion on the episode but I wouldn’t call it pedestrian like that, I feel like it undercuts the work this team put into the story moving forward. For me, the less we know about the collector the better because we have no idea what is in store given their unpredictability

[@AntonioCruz-jp4bh]

For me it’s better to enjoy what we’ve got despite a flaw or two instead of hanging on what could have been and ruining your own viewing experience

[@DeathKitta]

Personally I see Belos as a villian for Luz and Collector as a villian for King. They are both what others wanted but maxed out in all the twisted ways. Also I low-key want Collector to be redeemed in some way xD

[@AntonioCruz-jp4bh]

@@DeathKitta same! For no reason other than they look cool and they’re a child so I don’t want them to not grow from this experience or something. But I love the collector!’

[@DeathKitta]

@@AntonioCruz-jp4bh Yeah, because they are child, it would be really weird to trap them again! And it didnt even work, they found the way out and were just needlessly and pointlessly suffering. What, are we supposed to kill them then? And I dont believe they are irredeamable. I feel like because of how impossibly powerful they are no one could or want to discipline them. And thats what you get if the child does what they want with zero teaching.

[@barelyhere7200]

Seriously? People adore the ending of season 2? That’s a thing. I thought people were mixed on it. I have very mixed feelings on the ending. In my opinion it shares way too many similarities with gravity Falls and amphibia. Reason is it’s just a coincidence it’s still distracting. The collector gives off major Bill cipher vibes and literally the last three minutes of the episode is just true colors but no one gets impaled. Not to mention the ending is the exact same thing as true colors

[@FabbrizioPlays]

One thing about season 3 that really set me off on the wrong foot with it, was that immediately after coming through the portal, Anne was like "Marcy's alive, I know it". WE have that information. We saw the teaser intro where Marcy is being kept alive in the tank. We know that Disney wouldn't just let them kill a kid that way with impunity. But that's all metatextual. All Anne saw was her friend get stabbed very violently through some incredibly vital organs and then collapse in a heap. Whether or not it's actually allowed to happen, Anne should *think* Marcy was killed.

[@theratking3075]

Eh. Could probably explain it away by stone magic or something.

[@DLxxx]

Fair enough. I had the same mixed reaction to that line as well. Obviously we as the audience were never actually expected to believe Marcy was dead, but Anne doesn't have the context we have (to her, this is very much REAL). That said, I can still buy Anne having this mix of denial and optimism that could prompt her to say otherwise. I guess it’s more like.. a missed opportunity than anything else.

[@gummyneighborino7217]

I believe its called denial

[@FabbrizioPlays]

@@gummyneighborino7217 if it's denial then there were so many better ways to handle it. It's not framed as denial, no attempts were made to get Anne to come to terms with it or make any sort of plot point out of it. No, that line was just thrown in so the Disney censors could tell concerned parents "of course we didn't kill a child in this cartoon". That's the only reason for it being there, and it honestly takes the fire out of what made True Colors such a spectacular episode.

[@harrybechtle4333]

I disagree, but whatever

[@toon4thought]

You mentioned that you'd want a spinoff about Eda and Raine's younger years - the funny thing is, Dana has explicitly mentioned at one point that if she were to make a spinoff, that is what she would want to make, and I'm convinced that episode was a backdoor pilot to the idea.

[@aminoramountoftomfoolery]

Yeah, I’ll agree, King’s Tide fell flat at some points. I am personally going to believe that an episode like Hollow Mind was SUPPOSED to be season 2’s finale, and Edge of the World would have been one of the first few episodes of season 3, and Kings Tide would have been the finale for 3A, leaving Luz and the gang to have time on Earth, but when a specific mouse cut the show short, they decided to have Kings Tide be Season 2’s finale. So yeah, like with any complaint about the Owl House, I’m blaming it on Disney

[@bahnankhayre9534]

You just reminded me of how great hollow mind was excuse me while I go rewatch it

[@noobmasterruben5167]

I had the same thought too. Hollow Mind would have been the finale of s2 and King’s Tide was probably the midseason finale of season 3 in my eyes

[@damkylan3]

I mean, I suppose it's possible, but much like how Season 1's episode titles and secret codes all correspond to Eda, Season 2's all correspond to King. So I feel like the original idea was Season 1= Eda, Season 2= King, and Season 3= Luz, the main trio. And "King's Tide" just seems like the logical end point within that framework. I feel like Season 2 probably ended as it was meant to. I think if we had gotten Season 2 exactly as we did, and ALSO knew that we were getting a full Season 3, nobody would be saying any element of it feels rushed, because we'd have the security of knowing there's tons of content to come. But we're thinking about it in terms of how they're going to wrap everything up in a much more condensed season.

[@RavenStarMedia]

The team actually confirmed the Collector wasn't planned until the shortened order. So Season 2's finale would likely have been Holow Mind, but Season 3's finale would be roughly the events of King's Tide with no Collector.

[@Jxstacey]

@@RavenStarMedia so everyone on the Boiling Isles would’ve been screwed

[@jstarwars360]

11:30 - In various interviews, tweets, and panels Matt said Season 3 was largely made during the pandemic and the crew was looking to make each other laugh to take their mind off of things. While the Earth episodes probably were always intended to have levity, they definitely leaned into way more because of current events.

[@BugsyFoga]

Me seeing Disney cut Owl house’s third season:”THAT WAS THEIR MISTAKE “!!!!

[@makerofeditsmov]

Marcy’s scream genuinely makes me so terrified. Every time without fail I get goosebumps and my eyes well up with tears. DOESNT HELP THAT SHES MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!!!!

[@charleneyue2114]

Happy birthday Patrick ❤️

[@cheeseisherelive753]

I hope the creators of The Owl House make a manga/comic to fill in the parts of the story they WANTED to tell but that were cut. It would be nice to get the full story 😊

[@nyanpirethecat2257]

Actually, the creators were planning on getting an Owl House Manga/Light Novel adaptation. But it was quickly cancelled due to behind the scenes problems.

[@Wince_Media]

@@nyanpirethecat2257 man, imagine an owl house light novel written by "Luz" herself. That would be hilarious

[@cheeseisherelive753]

@@nyanpirethecat2257 Aw man, that woulda been awesome ;-;

[@cheeseisherelive753]

Honestly excited to hear your thoughts! I’m finally caught up with a series to watch this as it premieres without spoilers!

[@sulaiman-8]

NICEEE TRULY A PRIVILEGE

[@theonegoldengryphon]

I think the Collector is an excellent antagonist as a parallel to King. A bratty child who wants control over everything around him, with the difference being that the Collector HAS all the godlike power season 1 King wished he had before his character arc. Edit: As some folks in the replies have pointed out, he’s an excellent parallel to season 1 Luz’s character flaws as well

[@damkylan3]

I have to imagine Collector will have King by his side on a metaphorical throne over everyone in the Boiling Isles in Season 3. Really twist the knife in poor King finally getting what he thought he wanted.

[@RavenStarMedia]

He's a parallel to Luz even moreso.

[@tinyspud7471]

@@RavenStarMedia yeah, I feel like Luz kind of saw the Boiling isles as a “plaything” in a way when she first arrived there

[@RavenStarMedia]

@@tinyspud7471 Not to mention prior to that, she was a troublemaking kid who liked to indulge in her fantasies and didn't really care how it affected others. Just like the Collector.

[@KW-yv6gz]

The thing with the Collector is that he does not understand the difference between playing and harming others. He was full out about to kill the main gang but didn't understand the harm he was about to do as he saw it as a game to play. Almost everyone on the boiling isles is exhausted and injured and I doubt King is going to be able to convince that many scared and confused witches just to go along with a game, especially since ya know, some of those people's kids are gone and they have no idea where they are or if they could be alive. The Collector is not going to understand why these people won't play even if King tried to explain as King promised they would all play and need lots of people to, he's going to be upset and possibly felt like King lied to him or broke his promise and with all these factors and him not understanding that he can harm people and he does v.s just playing, I don't think it'll be pretty for anyone.

[@KaminoKatie]

Perhaps they're gonna pull a Wandavision and have The Collector hexed the Boiling Isles into a stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon from the 80's and 90's

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

I think my main criticism of amphibia Season 3 is that it has a ton of tonal whiplash. Anne just saw one of her closest friends get impaled and probably die, but the very next scene has her get excited about having internet back and she just shrugs it off as "No, Marcy is OK, she has to be". You have really dark episodes like Olivia & Yunan, where a child gets her body possessed by a hivemind while she screams in pain; but then later on you have an episode whose runtime is mostly just low hanging gross-out humour. I wish that this late into the show, where they have to wrap things up, they'd settle for one tone or the other instead of having both kinds of episodes. At least they completely nailed this in the final episodes though, no complaints there

[@anastasia_852]

I definitely agree. That's probably my biggest complaint about Amphibia.

[@richtrm3177]

Polly is actually my favourite Amphibia character. She's funny, quirky, and most of all, absolutely ruthless and that's the biggest factor because she provides this show's sense of dark humor.

[@DLxxx]

Yeah, Amphibia really excels at giving its characters strong, memorable personalities. From her very first scene, you pretty much knew what Polly was all about, lol.

[@laszlokaszas1003]

"Hehe, frogs died here."

[@imsomewhatcertain1024]

I was hoping that Odalia Blight would have a ‘Moon Butterfly’ arc where she wasn’t the best parent/queen and yet she could still make up for some of her faults. Instead, she was willing to take part in Belos’ plan in order to win his favor and become more powerful. At least Alador Blight made a massive effort to redeem himself.

[@mariag7117]

Yeah Alador is definitely gonna get divorce. Good for him

[@exileforever2508]

If anything, I like it better this way instead of treating it as no big deal later on

[@brecken8325]

I personally would disagree. I think TOH has done impressively well at handling relationships, including dysfunctional ones. For instance, Alador wasn't forgiven by Amity right away, because an apology wasn't enough to make up for how he'd neglected his kids. Amity made it clear that she had boundaries that he to respect, and that he wouldn't earn her trust back unless he actually continued to do better after he apologized. (Admittedly this was resolved a little too quickly in the finale, but I'm assuming that was because of the cut time.) It's important to remember that this is a kids' show, and that the messaging in it has to be beneficial for an impressionable audience. I think it's a lot healthier to teach kids that it's okay to not forgive someone who's been genuinely awful to you, and that not everyone is redeemable. Odalia getting a redemption arc feels like it would send the message that abusers can be redeemed, which really isn't always the case. Sometimes people are just bad people even if you're related to them, and someone doesn't have to be a comically evil villain (like Belos) to be someone you don't want in your life. Amity specifically saying she'll never talk to Odalia again felt more thematically in line with the rest of the show. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, but TOH also handled other similar topics. Eda's relationship with her mother comes to mind. I was honestly surprised to see any show covering the difficulty of relatives trying to "cure" your disability through alternative medicine without your input, but TOH handled that really well.

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

The point of Odalia's character for me is, teaching kids that the rich don't give a fuck about you or anyone's wellbeing besides themselves and they'll sacrifice multiple innocent lives in order to make a profit. Which is very realistic and fun to watch.

[@DeathKitta]

@@guilhermeteodosio40 I think she is more 'not all bad parents can and will do better'. Like Gwen and Alador. They learned they are hurting their kids and they wanted to fix this and they started fixing it.

[@CrispyShroom]

Amphibia was such a charming show. One of my favorites

[@higztv1166]

@@recitationtohear stop spaming

[@giraffedragon6110]

Rewatching the collector scenes (as well as my love of the Fey in D&D) showed me what a threat the collector is. They are a force of nature with the personality of a child who always wants to play. The goals are as follows 1). Play games and have fun forever Getting locked away directly goes against the collector’s goal here. I don’t think he hates Titans either, he says “you look like that bully who put me in here, no WAY are you his little Titan BABY? I always wanted to play with you! But your dumb pops hid you” Wanting to play with baby king and getting locked away was a direct consequence of his actions. And look at the first thing he does when released, stops the fight, admonished Belos, says he ain’t mad, and asks if he wants to play a game. Belos getting splattered was the consequence of not releasing the Collector (you pinky swore!) The collector has too much power than any child should have, them playing around visibly alters the geography of the land they exist in.

[@captaincapitalis1205]

I think something that is also overlooked is how the Collector was a second away from splatting children in the same way he did to Belos. King had to convince him they were necessary for the game for him to not kill them and save the rest of the Isles. Also I’m in a hunter the Reckoning campaign rn, and my DM has used to get and made it quite clear how horrifying the Fai are. Infinite power and spoiled rotten are a terrifying combo

[@scs998]

I feel like setting up Belos as a horrifying villain and then killing him off the cuff was very effective in setting up the collector as a super villain as it's shocked the crap out of me that he just flicked him out of existence (supposedly) and I feel if they keep hum around (like the goop) and have the Godlike being they can have their cake and eat it too.

[@kimkonex1825]

I love how amphibia begins and ends with wally leaving the bar

[@folkloric3059]

My biggest problem with the Collector? Why the hell is he named that? We haven't seen him collect a single thing.

[@user-nn5dh3cs9s]

We seen him trying to capture the owl beast before it got away so he probably collects creatures to use them as his playthings

[@aniflowers1998]

@@user-nn5dh3cs9s This would also aline with the title "Great Huntman" that the Titan Trappers gave him

[@clausewitzianwar]

26:10 It's mentioned why the Collector hates titans in the final episode, because King's dad was the one who trapped them in the plates. It seems implied that it's sort of an ongoing battle between the gods of this realm.

[@luisc.5080]

Another reason for the filler episodes in Amphibia is to literally make Disney happy. Disney prefers that shows aired on Disney Channel are able to be watched with no prior context or episodes. This is because so the kids can hop on any moment of the show and still be able to enjoy as well as skip any episodes they want and don't lose anything. Serialized shows are often put into Disney plus. One of the reasons The Owl House got cancelled is because of its serialized nature, while watching the first season i accidentally shipped the 4 episode "The entruder" therefore I was super confused as to when Luz had learned the light glyph. A kid who doesn't care about continuity will be very confused by what's happening because they didn't watched everything (especially in season 2) Amphibia took a more secure path with multiple filler episodes between plot to insure it's survivability and, in return, was able to tell it's full story.

[@WDB2005]

Disney has always been biased towards story cartoons, Amphibia, The Owl House & Gravity Falls all deserved better

[@digitalrecord6334]

The owl house is known for not taking the easy way out of things so i think the point of sending her and her friends home is for luz to ultimately chose to go back, having amity not be a factor in luz’s decision on if she wants to go back. I heard everyone saying that luz would want to stay bc of her gf so i think thats why dana put a situation where luz and amity are still together, whether shes in the human world or not. Thats how luz will have to ultimately chose to go her own path on if she REALLY wants to stay in the human world or not, not having amity be in a factor in luz’s ultimate decision to return but bc she actually really likes the boiling isles. That way we can see luz have to make a real, raw choice to go back, not just bc her gf is there, bot just because her friends are there, but because she really cares about that place and wants to go back on her own accord

[@AJ-xc4qe]

"I really love getting into shenanigans in hotels..." Are you a Suite Life fan like me!?!?! Because London Tipton herself actually voiced Anne!!!

[@BubblesZap]

I think that the importance of gathering all the allies wasn't just to briefly take part in the final battle but to bring all of Amphibia together. They lived in constant segregation and were very fragmented. Bringing Amphibia together and having them work together to a better future.

[@helenaperez4343]

Yeah, The Three Armies is explicitly about the race divisions being brought down as they all work together for a common cause - saving their home. I do wish they could have been more involved in the final battle but I think it’s worth it for the payoff of the racial conflict that was set up in seasons 1 and 2.

[@Froggy_Turtles]

Yeah is to heal this rift that the frogs,newts,and toads

[@laltffylive11]

amphibia has become one of my favorite shows despite me having just watched it within the last two weeks. the moment it panned to the aquarium in the finale i knew where they were going and cried harder than i was already lmfao, the fact that she came to amphibia based on the joke that she hated frogs, but then ended up not only working in with frogs but building an entire exhibit based on her time in amphibia makes so much sense and is such a beautiful conclusion

[@iAmRayyyy_]

YESSS been waiting for this Update: Yes I pretty much feel the same way about amphibia. It gets you so attached to the characters, even if you dont really realize it. I really think the arcs of these characters (especially anne, emphasized in All In) are some of the best. That ending will forever make me cry.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Owl House is Incredible? Dont let Conservatives hear that. They hate LGBT-Representation.

[@sunny-ql9ll]

6:00 THAT LUZ MEME IS SO ACCURATE THO 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@bowlerhatfilmsandreviews2778]

That beach day joke in Owl House was hardest I laughed this season, the team really deserved to have a joke that meta and salty. I even told it to friends of mine who don’t watch the show and they still found it really funny. Also Steve better get more in season 3

[@r211Afan]

That’s the thing with Amphibia, it starts off slow, but I think it goes as a nice introduction to the world around it so far I think. Season 2 builds off that and picks off the plot perfectly, and I love almost every episode, even some of the filler, I don’t mind too much. Season 3, yeah, there’s issues, but it ends off strong, and this show will always have a place with me, along with Gravity Falls, Rick and Morty and The Owl House.

[@katie15732]

I thought you were going to reference an Andrias quote. 😭 "Thats the thing about friends..the more you love them, the more it hurts to let go"

[@elliot2331]

I adored Amphibia, partially because I love frogs and also just because it was a great show.

[@matheustran8009]

Belos is definitely still alive, in the credits scene we see something close the door. It is hinted that Belos closed it Also they want to kill titans because a titan (King’s dad) trapped the collector.

[@swordbird]

It truly breaks my heart knowing how less rushed and how many of the problems could be solved in the owl house had the show just been given a bit more time to air.

[@Ghostplasmas]

I honestly really like the collectors dynamic. They're a child, and with that they're childish and selfish, and their ultra-ubermega creative mode powers allows them to bypass any consequences their actions may have caused. I don't think they're evil, I just think that they lack consideration of consequences.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

The Collector is kinda like Jevil from Deltarune who isn't a villain and is able to "do anything" aka doesn't care about consequences.

[@Ghostplasmas]

@@madsceptictrooper6803 perhaps? For me personally I see Jevil as more of a character who's insane in the way that they think they're ascendant, free from the torment of the world, hence: "I can do anything!" However I do think that they know the consequences of their actions, unlike the collector who's more akin to a bratty child.

[@sallytheuselessbird]

They are kinda like luz in a way, only she's more self aware of her actions

[@Ghostplasmas]

@@sallytheuselessbird yeah! Very free spirited with a need for playfulness, but due to the collectors immense power, they don't *have* to worry about consequences, after all, what are consequences when you could control everything with the bend of your pinky finger?

[@captaincapitalis1205]

I mean The collector was about to kill the kids after gooping Belos. Was only stopped after being told that they were necessary to play the game. Maybe not evil with intentions but definitely uncaring for the lives of mortals

[@lckaboom6810]

The Collector was worth it for me just for the animation of his 2-D form. Holy shit that was so much fun to watch and it makes me excited to see what he does in season 3.

[@sappystrawberries]

For me, i feel like the Collector kinda parallels s1e1 Luz. Before she showed up on the Isles, her forms of genuine play also could and did hurt people, the snakes being the best example. What helped Luz wasn’t being locked away in that summer camp (like the Collector was, in the pokeball), but finding people who valued who she was and her freedom and expression and helped/let her learn and grow into herself as a person that now would do anything at any risk to protect the people she loves. Still reckless, but so so different-she’s now actively connected to the world around her and to the people in it, and her empathy has developed as much as Eda’s was unearthed, too-because people like Eda made a real effort to connect with her as well. She has so many connections where she just didn’t before-like the Collector doesn’t have now either. She’s a kid, and she’s transformed so much-I kinda wonder if the same will be true with the Collector, too, if he’s genuinely an OP kid and not actively cruel for cruelty’s sake. (Though I’m also VERY interested to see how the Owl Beast reacts to them being free,,,,)

[@oranplan1630]

The Collector DOES look somewhat like Luz. I wonder if they're meant to parallel her

[@peppito8408]

@@oranplan1630 remind me of the first art dana showed about the collector wich looked alot of like luz

[@X-SPONGED]

PappyG : "Also Steve, I like Steve" [24:56] _We all Stan Steve down here, Patrick_ _Any Owl House Fan should know that well..._

[@LycannYT]

28:21 well, how do ya like the steaks now Schaff, it is medium rare now Schaff ARE YOU HAPPY NOW SCHAFF

[@nonyabusiness9682]

i really like owl house season 2 but i think you can really feel the effects of the cut season

[@aussiemerican750]

We do know why the collector started his titan killing cult, it’s cause the titan was the one to trap him in the first place. And I(along with most of the rest of the fandom) don’t think the collector will be an antagonist, at the very least not the big bad final boss type, and instead will be a bit more nuanced considering he’s a ten year old with the powers of a god.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

I personally think The Collector is goint to be like Jevil from Deltarune who isn't a villain but still a huge challenge to the heroes.

[@marisolbecerra06]

Idk about them being nuanced, didn’t they say they wanted to see everyone die on the day of unity? There’s definitely some sort of moral issue there

[@aussiemerican750]

@@marisolbecerra06 I don’t remember that happening, could you provide a clip to help prove that.

[@brickch.6502]

@@marisolbecerra06 it was more like "ok I help you drain magic from everyone and then you set me free and we'll play together forever". There was no difference in his eyes between the promise he made with Belos and the one made with King. Tho I agree I'd be better if Belos isn't just there for the sake of being alive. As far as I can find intriguing the idea of him confronting Luz in the Human realm, I can't negate how scared I am of how his character could be handled. Maybe not having the collector as such a big threat could have helped. Nonetheless, I trust Dana and the crew. Let's hope everything will go the right way :')

[@DeathKitta]

My personal hc is that Collector didnt start any cult, they just worshipped him and whatever conflict Collector had with Titans they internalised too. Since I also hc Collector and King's Dad were friends and then he 'betrayed' him.

[@colekramer175]

TOH Spoilers: Hearing your thoughts on TOH's ending really helped me figure out my thoughts. When I watched it I loved it, had cute moments, cool moments, and I love the concept of the Collector. He's what Luz was, an overactive kid who should have grown out of their fantasies by now. But while Luz was able to realize over-the-top fun and fantasy weren't all real, but that she could still indulge in the magic. The Collector only had devout followers that worshipped them, an empty promise to keep them patient and all the time in the world to fantasize about anything and everything. But I do agree build-up could have been MUCH better and Belos getting splatted like a bug worries me a lot. I can only see three ways out for him, becoming a joke i.e. teaming with the demon hunter from Yesterday's Lie. Helping the main team back to the BI, which feels really cheap on paper because of the hatred and no room for redemption. Or ending up as a powerless antagonist like a sneering devil on the Luz's shoulder, which could work. I have faith in the team to end this show well, and there are plenty more ways Belos could go that I haven't had the brain power to come up with. Very solid video and criticisms.

[@ethan1969]

Amphibia is such an incredible show! It’s been an emotional rollercoaster watching it come to an end. The topic of toxic friendships really hits close to home for me, and I really just saw myself in Anne, and I just love when I can relate to the main character like that.

[@Glitches1987]

"Like making everybody into their personal play things, or something" Damn nice prediction

[@SMH-Animates-Official]

I just finished season 2 of owl house so it was basically perfect timing

[@Tacom4ster]

Amphibia had the best animated finale in years, I cried

[@chunkymonkey7983]

The best*

[@shadowmasterking6542]

the core is a hero

[@toadlord8594]

One of the best endings in years by an animated series.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@chunkymonkey7983 no

[@chunkymonkey7983]

@@tobsonasanya4765 What did you think was better? Maybe CW but not too sure

[@guthou2010]

Amphibia is to me what something like Shrek 2 or Encanto is to James. It's a really quotable and fun comedy with surprisingly strong dramatic moments and mature themes. I can't gush enough how much this show means to me and how it helped me during a period of my life, and my appreciation for it only grew with time.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

I feel like because The Owl House game was left ambigous for the audience, that leaves so many possibilities for what a child with godlike powers can do. It could be (a) a DnD version where King could tell stories to appease the Collector and everyone are game pieces, b) a Wandavision scenario were everyone is in a trance or something or c)a Mabeland world where everyone can imagine what they want then Belos could return and have his full form

[@Afish8me2china]

I actually really like the Collector as a villain, in one scene, he became incredibly intimidating

[@mattguy1773]

This is why cartoons made for girls can work unlike what a certain Cartoon Network executive said

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

That was such a sexiest statement to say. 😒

[@playdoh658]

@Star bots

[@homuras]

wait who said what

[@flamingbanana5831]

Was this show made for girls?

[@homuras]

@@flamingbanana5831 oh no, of course not. both shows were made for whose ever eyes met it, there is no discretion or redundancy between the gender viewing the series. however, both shows revolve around a female protagonist but obviously is universally watched by anyone who wishes to!

[@ChikunVA]

I love how you brought up the "dressing up and travelling" part at the end, absolute banger joke for everyone who understands it

[@TheSibirianRaccoon]

Personally I like amphibia a bit more but I still like the owl house

[@spyro2002]

Same. Amphibia all the way lol.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

For me, it's vice-versa.

[@goldflannel2968]

I love them both, but depending on the day I love amphibia more than toh and vice versa

[@roxitolo1936]

I really liked the things you hate about the collector, that they're a god figure that now no one can stop and we are unsure of his motivations or who he is makes him way more scary and intriguing

[@just-aduck155]

i agree with you on the willow/hunter thing. hunter and willow and gus all have about the same screen time together and id say hunter and gus have the more friendly chemistry tbh