The pagan Emperor Julian (the apostate) criticizes Alexandrian Christians for abandoning Paganism

[@generalRAAM95]

As a fellow admirer of Julian's works, I congratulate you for your video and definitely will check the rest of the content. Also, you've got yourself a new subscriber. Well done!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Awesome, thanks for the sub! Hoping to do one on Julian's death shortly.

[@generalRAAM95]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 Will be looking forward to it!

[@ulfricsombrage]

I am a huge fan of emperor Julian since I am 17 years old and it's awesome to finally see good content about him on youtube. For me, roman empire faced an early kind of bolchevism and people who tried to prevent that disaster deserve all our respect.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx for the watch! I'll be producing more on Julian in doing months!

[@julianshepherd2038]

Google Bolshevism

[@juniorjames7076]

One should see Julian's letters to Alexandria for what they are in essence- state propaganda to counter the new Christian propaganda re-shaping Hellene society and civilization.

[@whitemakesright2177]

I agree. Julian is quite a tragic figure. He was wise and virtuous, and did his best to restore the Empire, but so much damage had already been done. It's interesting to think about what might have happened if he had not died so soon.

[@ulfricsombrage]

@julianshepherd2038 You are so kind, but saying christianity is an antic prequel of bolshevism is an idea of Oswald Spengler. Maybe you should write a book to explain he was wrong :o)

[@vineetkaddu1214]

I am a Huge Fan of your content. You cover the fall of the glorious Graeco-Roman Civilisation to these vile cults, beautifully. I and many others couldn't possibly thank you enough.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thank you Vineet. Stick around there's plenty more content in the pipeline :)

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

When you strip away all the bullshit about love and acceptance from Christianity, it really is just a mental illness almost. It's like a co dependent abusive relationship between a man and woman for instance.. "I only hit you because I love you!". And she justifies it, "He really is a great guy and he loves me. He just gets carried away. He's going to change.". God makes us, but makes us sinners. No matter what we are feeble fucked up sinners falling short of God's glory. Yet he loves us. So much he comes to earth as a Jewish man and speaks a handful of metaphors about being a door and meek will inherit the earth... And this is all God says. God. Then gets killed. Now everything God said before in the old testament changes. God changed his mind. Jesus never said anything like that, but that's Christian doctrine now. New covenant. God makes us this way. Exterminated us to the brink of extinction for being that way. We are all damned because of what eve and Adam did, which he knew in advance they would do, and we must live in worship of this being for his abundant love. No matter what happens in life, good bad or catastrophic, it's God's plan. Because he loves us. Or, is it all we have to do is believe the story of Jesus, that will get us to heaven, right Christians? Oh how convenient. God makes this plane of existence, as a testing ground... Then another "divine" realm for only the people who passed the rest. And the test was, did you live in sin or not? Some test.. Especially when you design the test subjects, out of love, as sinners inheritly. And the test according to new Christians is just a faith in a story. Do you believe Jesus was god and died for your sins? Then you're in. So the test that determines where you will be for eternity is how naive you are. How little evidence you need for something. It's all one giant manipulative mess. And this appeals to people somehow. They want to be submissive to some bizarre god who had the dumbest plan ever for spreading his presence on earth.. Wtf what a twisted mindset. Just believing you're a sinner and that constant guilt.. It changed us. The once proud and noble European spirit was completely dulled by this Abrahamic mental illness from Israel. Religions are created by local populations naturally arising from that groups inherit traits. After hundreds of millenia of evolution arises behaviors, traditions, culture, unique to that people. Adopting someone else's religion is like taking someone else's medicine. It was designed for a completely different person. How did we go from worshipping nature in sacred groves, believing in the divine connection between man and woman, to getting together once a week in a building and throwing money into a pot to listen to someone else explain to us what God is. Because apparently God only chooses certain people to teach us about him. Only preachers are capable of interpreting the Bible correctly and we need to go see him once a week. It's just all so stupid. I'm not a pagan, I don't worship saturn or Thor and I don't think we need to go back to slaughtering animals at altars either. But I do admire certain aspects of paganism. Mainly the view of nature and natural law, the idea that man and woman are incomplete but when they come together they are whole. The Christian doctrine seems to make people think they are separate from nature. Better than nature. In fact, it's here simply to serve us. It's just a coincidence we have so much in common with so many animals. Not evolution that we have the same organs as most other animals. The same method of producing energy. God just has no creativity.

[@latitudeselongitudes1932]

​@@frauleinhohenzollern I also can't stand these desert creeds but I can't deny, as a man of culture, the beauty of the art and architecture of these (and other) traditions. Churches, Mosques, Monasteries, Mausoleums in different styles, calligraphy art, floral and geometric motifs, paintings and sculptures with religious themes

[@Vyom4676]

As always the best,thank you for the video.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!

[@Sygg-uj3ze]

The Perfidious Censors of The Rabbinate won't even allow insignificant me to so much as type "yehud".

[@EdwardM-t8p]

It's not the Rabbinate it's KZbin. I used to be able to type freely of the worst Roman penalty and its instrument and now my posts often get deleted for saying those words. So it must have been Christian Karens who were reporting you and got the algorithm trained, like I'm sure they did me!

[@chuuchuu6317]

Thank you so much for videos like these. I’ve always wanted to know more about the ancient world and your channel has helped. The amount of rich detail you put in your videos in amazing. Again, thank you so much.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Glad you liked them! Appreciate you watching!

[@phillylifer]

So glad to have found you

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thank you!Another video next week. Just finishing it off!

[@jasonabshire837]

I am always studying religious history in this time. I am enthralled, and your videos are amazing. Though my undergrad work was in anthropology, I spent little time in school studying this time period. These videos are fairly well sourced considering the medium and seem to offer a fair and concise representation of history. But never failing to add anecdotal accounts for my entertainment as well as education!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx you my friend! Glad the videos are proving interesting. Appreciate the feedback!

[@nathanashkenazi897]

Great job! I love your movies and learning a lot from them, thank you!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx Nathan! Working on the next one as I type!

[@usergiodmsilva1983PT]

Absolutely remarkable video. I thank you for the use of primary sources!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Appreciate the comment! Thx! Will be doing more on Alexandrian Pagan/Christian relations in future.

[@creative.jon.2024]

Thank you..

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

You're welcome!

[@tylerjwoodby5193]

I just found your channel, I love it so far, but I am curious as to what inspired you to study Lord Julian the Philosopher?

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Glad you like the videos Tyler! Any philosopher Emperor is the height of coolnesss I would say. Always admired Julian and of course Marcus Aurelius, Hadrian, the Antonines etc. Julian was the last pagan ruler so he is of course very special!

[@tylerjwoodby5193]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 are you Pagan yourself?

[@pepepena1937]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361are you pagan yourself?

[@sarahsarah2534]

To say that I dislike those fanatical priestly types would be the understatement of the year. And "the black-robe tribe" will be my way of referring to them.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Egypt in the 4th and 5th Centuries had more than its fair share of these chaps I'm afraid. Thx for watching!

[@sarahahmed113]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 And they are still around in different forms! XD

[@EremiasRanwolf-d6z]

The mad monks of Theodosius

[@tobiasbellhouse8107]

St Athanasius truly was one of the most remarkable figures of the Constantinian era since, in the words of famously acerbic Edward Gibbon, this "Archbishop of Alexandria was patient of labour, jealous of fame, careless of safety; and although his mind was tainted by the contagion of fanaticism, Athanasius displayed a superiority of character and abilities which would have qualified him, far better than the degenerate sons of Constantine, for the government of a great monarchy". High praise indeed.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

He certainly had character to last so long and was very popular with the Alexandrian Christians. Talking of Athanasius would love to do a video on his views on Arians. I'll put that on the to-do list!

[@tobiasbellhouse8107]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 His earlier work 'Against the Heathen' is truly quite fascinating.

[@DickyMorin]

No, the Jewish Law was meant to be obeyed by the Jews. Where do you get the idea that Christians abandoned this in order to make more converts from the Pagans? In the Book of Acts it is described how the Apostles argued and came to agree that Jesus was the fulfillment of the law and that it was no longer necessary for non-Jews to follow it. They came to see it was faith in Jesus Christ that brought salvation, not obeying the Jewish Law. This was about three centuries before the events on your tape played out. If your assertion is your own opinion then you should say it as such and not make it sound as if it is simply a matter of history. Otherwise, l find your work interesting in illuminating a turbulent period seldom played out in film or print. I also detect a strong bias in who you quote and how you tell the story. Yet, how can one defend bigotry, intolerance, vandalism, and even murder? I can't.

[@giahuypham1385]

Excellect content as always.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Many thx!

[@henkstersmacro-world]

👍👍👍Excelent video, Excelent channel!!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Appreciate you watching :)

[@paulcollins2604]

A very interesting video; thank you for posting. Dogmatism has been a pernicious force throughout history; being perhaps the worst affliction of mankind.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Appreciate you watching! I'll be doing more on the Emperor Julian in the coming months. Regarding dogma, quite so. There was a huge divide between Arian and 'Catholic' Christians at the time not to mention the numerous other Christian 'heresies'.

[@paulcollins2604]

I look forward to learning more about this topic - do you have any references you'd recommend?@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361

[@usergiodmsilva1983PT]

24:18 Based Julian. 😅

[@solesurvivor7989]

Why was there no mention of how Stoic philosophy and Logos theology and philosophy from the pagans and how it influenced and guided the Christians? Did Julian did not know about this?

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

What if any stoic influence - great subject for a future video actually. That's got me thinking! Thx.

[@marinakralik1977]

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[@fourseasons_total_laptops]

I noticed that too.

[@abeanism]

Great video❤

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx for watching!

[@GoogleUserOne]

Your channel is incredible man!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thank you so much 😀 More videos coming up!

[@humanistlaicist2226]

If only these fanatic monks had been present in Egypt during the islamic invasion, Egypt may had never been conquered by muslims

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

John of Nikiu, the seventh century bishop, is worth reading regarding the Muslim conquest of Egypt

[@humanistlaicist2226]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 Thank you. I have already read some brief quotes from him after watching your video. Do you know of more sources on th Islamic conquest of the middle east, both muslim and non-muslim? I read the third tome of Edward Gibbons decline and fall of the roman empire. He covers this, but briefly

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

@@humanistlaicist2226 Hi, You could try Al-Baladhuri - he's one of the best Arab sources on the early Arab conquests although no idea why it's this expensive

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

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[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

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[@Gorboduc]

Just finished listening to Justin Pollard's Rise And Fall Of Alexandria right here on the 'Tube. Excellent book!

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Can’t say I’ve read that one. It’s on my ‘to be read’ list!

[@Gorboduc]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 Check out the audiobook, it's intensely habit forming lol. I finished it in two days.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

@@Gorboduc Im a little 'old school' - prefer books! - but this might be an excuse to try out Audible. Thanks for flagging that up

[@darkcat_ph]

Julian attended a prom night thinking he’s the prom king but ended up in clean up crew

[@djfreem6881]

Julian was the Emperor Rome needed, but no longer deserved

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Interesting point! Libanius of Antioch mentions Christians celebrating on hearing of his death.

[@Philip-bk2dm]

It's difficult for a tradition that includes a sometimes difficult sophisticated philosophical humanistic inquiry to compete with a popular movement that promises a luxurious life after death for any and all who merely profess faith in it. Hellenists held no such position; heaven being reserved exclusively for the gods.

[@histguy101]

While it's nice(or could have been nice) to get a big budget movie set in late antiquity, and it's true that Agora is good and well made, with a captivating story, calling it factually based is a bit absurd. Bishops didn't run the city, nor did a mob destroy the library of Alexandria, nor did Hypatia discover heliocentrism. The movie seems to be based on a narrative of Carl Sagan from his episode on Hypatia, rather than any original sources from the period. The Sarapaeum or at least part of it was demolished on the order of the emperor because it was being used as a rebel stronghold. It was basically civil war in the streets and a stand off had resulted. The whole incident was begun by some neo-platonists assaulting or killing someone.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx for the comment Christus. Agora was a reasonably large budget movie although modest by blockbuster standards and with a good set of actors and good sets. It's factually based - however being a movie (rather than a documentary) - there is I suppose a necessary and large amount of artistic licence to keep the entertainment level up. That said Cyril the bishop of Alexandria and other high level clergy (Eusebius for instance with Constantine) had been having an inordinate amount of power for some time. The secular authorities could (and did ) little too to stop bands of roving Christian monks destroying pagan temples in Egypt. Yes it's true the Serapeum was ordered to be destroyed by the intolerant and quite zealous emperor Theodosius. However its also true that many other temples had already been destroyed before this by the Christian authorities with Cyril and his predecessor Theophilus being heavily anti-pagan being complicit in these activities

[@WildMen4444]

Ave Divus Julianus!

[@AR-gu2no]

The Most sad time in spiritual history

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Unfortunate that Julian never managed to show his potential. He met a warrior's end though - perhaps that's the way he would have liked to go out. Appreciate the watch!

[@juniorjames7076]

A sad time if you were part of the ruling Pagan elite classes. Social movements (back then- socio-religious) don't come out of nowhere.

[@AR-gu2no]

@@juniorjames7076 lol ruling pagan elite class , most people were not Christian until it became zealous and demonized the local religions and philosophies by spreading fear saying they will go to hell for eternity because they worshipped the gods, that was the Christian social movement , sounds like an ignorant insecure and narcissistic religion , it is a sad part of history in the western world, the philosophies and religions were developing but Christianity stopped it

[@lowersaxon]

@@juniorjames7076True for sure. Doesnt mean, however, that these movements bring nothing but good.

[@matthewperry5121]

Awsome

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thanks for watching!

[@ericthorsfeldt3030]

Black robs, destruction, hatred? Sounds very familiar.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Afraid so! Some things don't change. Thx for watching.

[@anaconda470]

The city of Olexaaandrioaa 😂😂 The English pronunciation 😂

[@jamesbhollingsworth5452]

Scripture never told them to be rioters. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

I'm guessing the Alexandrian Christians would point to the clear instruction from the biblical god in Exodus 22:20 which would trump Peter.

[@jamesbhollingsworth5452]

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 God, in setting up a theocracy in Israel gives them certain laws as to how to deal with evildoers. A physical earthly kingdom. Which kingdom did not exist during Julian’s reign. Who, though a pagan, ought to have been respected, as Christ taught us to respect Caesar in those things pertaining to Caesar. Whose laws and customs ought to have been respected inasmuch as they did not force us to sin. Which he didn’t. I guess Christians have done more harm to the cause of Christ than any pagan emperor could.

[@davidfigueroa6351]

I swear there should be a pagan revival !

[@fourseasons_total_laptops]

There is.

[@kevinhowe3280]

It's happening

[@brugelxencerf]

"Hellenic culture"? By that time, wasn't it Roman culture?

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Partly although the eastern Mediterranean was always heavily Greek in character, culture and customs and even during the Roman period. So much so that the Byzantine Empire switched to Greek from Latin early on

[@Wib0]

I'm in 8 minutes.. You keep saying 'attacked'. So what kind of armies did they have to attack the pagans? And vice versa. But I suspect you mean they discussed scripture(s) in a highly aggressive way. Maybe check out your own postmodern dumbisms in your speech? Offcourse they fight fo real later on, but myguy, this is just stupid. If you are such a wise pagan, maybe check out your own speech patterns.. PS: Never mind, you are more filled with spewing on others then actually tell stuff about your wise pagan believes ,lol. Aight, later.

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

I find little aspects of paganism, Buddhism, anamism, etc special and intriguing. But then you have the abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I literally can't fathom what people find so appealing about these religions. And folks, I really tried reading the gospels and Paul's letters, and I am just left bewildered that this was somehow convincing to people that it's God. Wtf. I read it and think, "Yeah, this was thought up by some iron age superstitious sickos alright". Just like every other culture on earth that also created religious stories, but this one seemed to catch on. And I just don't understand why.

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

Ignore 90% of the Bible because look, this guy named Paul said Jesus told him that he was in charge now and to tell us all the stuff Jesus didn't get to tell us in time... So Paul wrote this letter about love and how Jesus loves us so much... I never heard Jesus talk like this. In fact, the god in the old testament, Jesus and his lame parables, and Paul's sentiments and letters, sound NOTHING alike whatsoever.

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

The whole "god died as his own son to forgive us.... For being the way he created us". That to me sounds like a husband telling his wife "I only hit you because I love you so much"

[@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361]

Thx for watching! Historians generally think the Christian proportion of the population was only around 10-15% during the early 4th Century. Steady growth but not startling by any means over 300 years. Christianity was popular amongst the lower clases mainly. But once Constantine converted and pressure was used to induce the population to convert then the percentage went up rapidly. In other words, coercion was the main driver.

[@homoe7976]

Bah, Christians. If they like that fish so much, they can go sleep with it.

[@elsenorgatito]

¡Viva CRISTO REY!