Your presentation is very fair to both "sides". If anything, it emphasizes that Origen did not have the benefit of the insights of 1,500+ years of future Christian theologians. His work was amazing, but then came Augustine, Aquinas, and others. I do find it amusing that Celsus repeatedly employs the rhetorical argument that God (or Jesus) "...could have done better by doing X..." That is itself a prideful argument, because any human positioned in a single day, month, year or lifetime can't fathom God's divine wisdom or plan. That we converse today, nearly 2,000 years later, on these matters proves Jesus "proclamations" are more than sufficient to their purpose.

His last battle reminds me of Rommel's last battle at El Alamein Sometimes courage and excellence does not always guarantee victory

Meine Ehre heißt Treue should be adopted as a Pan-polytheistic inclusive non-Abrahamic motto to signify one's loyalty to the ancestral traditions, beliefs and ethics

Celsus thinks it humorous an omnipotent God would need six days to create the heavens and earth. Atheists are still this stupid today!😅

Hit piece. ☦️

Hellenic polemicists: "Why did your god wait so long to show up and make himself known and a sacrifice of himself?" Christian apologist Orosius: "Well how come your gods waited so long?" That's the sum of Orosius' purported refutation of the Hellenic critics: argument by whataboutism.

Major issue with this video is it's trying to use Celsius's critiques against modern protestant Christianity. Over 2000 years the religion has changed and concepts have changed completely. An example is the idea the crucifixion was to take away the sins of mankind, is in fact a more recent invention in Christianity dating about 500 years old. Celsius's era of Christianity did not have beliefs like this. I think the video is a nice attempt at trying to bring out early critiques but the KZbinr unfortunately is bringing a lot of modern Christianity into a historical argument completely out of context. I would suggest researching what early Christians believed first to have a better grasp of Celsius's arguments.

So this is like going to Japan and burning down the Golden Pavilion or going to Korea and chopping down a village's sacred tree.

I'm in 8 minutes.. You keep saying 'attacked'. So what kind of armies did they have to attack the pagans? And vice versa. But I suspect you mean they discussed scripture(s) in a highly aggressive way. Maybe check out your own postmodern dumbisms in your speech? Offcourse they fight fo real later on, but myguy, this is just stupid. If you are such a wise pagan, maybe check out your own speech patterns.. PS: Never mind, you are more filled with spewing on others then actually tell stuff about your wise pagan believes ,lol. Aight, later.

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On an argumentable scale, we were never been christians, neither atheist, we've been exactly the same human race from ancient times and from the oldest archeological evidence that dates back to 75,000 BCE in the "le ferrasie" france since then we've been here, same intelligence, same cultures, same way of thinking, same understandings of the same point of view both anciently and in the present. Our biological existence comes from a mother and a father who made us, who told stories of the past and wisdoms that nature also came materialized forms caused by a mayor immaterial deities. We believed in miracles first than the christians, and we believed that if we sing songs, exchanged religious presents items every winter, that we celebrate life in every spring for the flowers and butterflies. And yet we still do Ofc we dont realize they had a pagan meaning and symbolism that has been lost but we interact with the same ecosystem both anciently and in the present, the fact that we the human race had been pagans estimated 150,000 BCE compared to the 2025 years of being christians.

"He's studied 1,000+ near death experiences and can show how they mirror biblical accounts of heaven and hell." ....sorry kids!😅😅😅😅 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWnFkJd_o8SWfsk

the creeds of Galilee and Mecca are deeply sectarian and proselytizing. Intolerant of the different

In terms of western antiquity, Hadrian and Pericles are special when it comes to artistic and architectural flourishing. The temple of Venus and Rome, the Pantheon, the temple of Olympian Zeus and the Library in Athens, the library in Ephesus, the imperial villa. The greatest of all, Hadrian!

my favorite Roman emperor along with Hadrian. Two pagan and philohellenic souls. Julian in his resistance to the Galilean creed. Hadrian in his policies in Judea in addition to his architectural projects and artistic patronage

Truly truly blessed are those who use chapter breaks. ❤

So much intellectual dishonesty in your assessment. Where to even begin? You said that the pagans were a minority in the time of Constantine and his successors so that their was little reason for Christian apologetics, but fail to acknowledge that a small but vocal minority can have outsized political influence and power over public policy. You also state that Jesus could've came just before "the end of time" in refuting the claim of an apologist that the timing is not of major concern because of the nature of eternity. Eternity has no "end of time". There are several other non-sequitor takes on your part, but I don't have the time or interest in listing them all.

3:19 I am surprised how similar the arguments are even after 2000 years. 😮

I think I would’ve been a Gnostic even in the 1st Century CE or 9th Century Ab Urbe Condita… it would’ve been difficult to convince Julian to take less risks even if I were a Praetorian Prefect or Magister Militum

Christ wasn’t crying out on the cross. He was singing the psalms on the cross! And they were amazed.

The Voice of ignorance manifests itself in this horrible commentary

The emperor certainly wouldn't know what was meant by "antisemitism," at which point one would have had to clarify "anti Judaism." I'm not sure if it's constructive to use "antisemitism" to describe criticism of Judaism, as the vague term encompasses dozens of groups, including Jews. What's the point of weighing down communication with deliberately inefficient terminology?

Celsus was alive 150 years after Jesus Christ our Savior died and Rose again 3 days later. Why would his account be more accurate than the actual books written by the folks that were there at the time? And if you are going to say those first writers made it up…we could say that about any ancient text…so if you do say that and you are honest you cannot trust Celsus writing either.

Dogs are unclean animals in Semitic culture. To this day, Arabs will say, "Go home, yankee dogs!" (When reading the story at face value and not trying to put a propagandistic spin on it, it would appear that Jesus was what we today would call racist, and that he was hurling a slur at a foreigner.) We've been brainwashed by globalism so that today something like patriotism or putting your own people first is held to be a thought-crime. But at the opening of Matthew, one of Jesus' first injunctions to his apostles is NOT to preach to the Samaritans or Gentiles. He said that his ministry was for his own countrymen. Today, we have this universalistic conception of Jesus. But that revisionist take would be highly inconsistent with the times he lived in. We're tempted to superimpose our values on him. To do so is an act of historical malpractice and anthropological ignorance.

They still maintain the same mentality. I've seen several Christians commenting disrespectfully on videos about Paganism, Buddhism, Yoga.

Abrahamic creeds are deeply sectarian. All this contemporary work of so-called ecumenical dialogue is nothing more than a PR show. The real essence is different. They are not truly compatible with a plural society

This is just a lot of "Jesus should've done this." Not much of an argument.

The only miracle that is consistent in all of the canonical gospels is Jesus multiplying food for 4-5 thousand people, I don't think that's very low key and was witnessed by more than just his followers

Barbarians didn't care for Christianity either and if Dr Ammon Hillman is right, they were offended at it!

There was a fourth critique of Christianity that was also a history of the Roman Empire that survived until the early enlightenment when French scholars inadvertently alerted the Vatican to it, and the prelates had the history promptly burnt. :^(

1800 hundred years and Christian apologists have learned nothing new

I am so so very sick and tired of stupid ignorant naïve disgusting stories from religious fanatics. 2000 years of stupid lies , 😂😂😂😂😂 leave us in peace . Why do religious fanatics need to come on KZbin ? Why is KZbin offering me these stupid videos ? Religion is absolutely, 100% , uniquely stupid‼️ no if and or butts about it - it’s a LIE

So a group of villagers fended of a containment container for conquered people by city state high intellectuals...!!?.. What's changed ?

Before Christ* = B.C. Please use it appropriately when you speak of the history of Western Civilization.

Interesting that Celsus doesn't deny the overall facticity of the Resurrection, just the alleged impracticality of not subsequently appearing to more people, and Pilate.

(30:50ff.) The Pauline note about the post-resurrection Jesus appearing to 500 of his followers is not in Acts, but in Ist Corinthians....

*Jesus is Satan, Christians are satanic worshippers, now it is proved by science that crusaders beliefs are alien and satanic, god Thor protected the Baltic people and slav from the satanic crusaders sect*

Weird how if most of the vikings hadnt performed false conversions... your story would be told a lil differently.... i have studied every religion possible, yours held a sword to throats of the world, and an axe for their necks

Wow I can’t believe I have never heard of northern crusades. Thank you for educating me. What a loathsome religion was and is Christianity

Christians are all about loving your next unless he or she is a pagan in that case your burn 🔥 all his books 📚

For those who don't know, milk and honey causes an intense chemical reaction that gives you violent diarrhea.

Yeah I'm with Celsus on this😅

I love this. We always think of Christians being persecuted by Toman pagans, so this is a really interesting twist from history. But, a question, was there mob vandalism of pagan temples? I'd love to hear about that.

Baltic Sea 💙

Gods made image, means many gods not one

Celcus believed zeus Olympus, the home of the gods. One son of Titans, Prometheus, did not fight with fellow Titans against Zeus and was spared imprisonment; he was given the task of creating man. Prometheus shaped man out of mud, and Athena breathed life into the clay figure.

Fantastic presentation.

He was right about the age of the earth. It's thousands, not billions. Science doesn't say it's billions - scientism does. Scientism came about as God-haters tried to explain how a universe could come about without the need of a creator. To make this happen they quickly realized they needed time; first millions, then billions of years. Science didn't lead them to these conclusions, presuppositions did.

Did celcus knew about cavemen

Celcus worship zeus didnt zeus made in roman believing