The Paradoxical Nature of Apollo Justice

[@Vivat_Veritas]

Hi folks! Thanks for the warm reception on the video. Just wanted to put a couple of things here to preempt anything. - The video is a little quieter as I was using my old mic (which has an awful buzzing noise if I put it up too high), and when I went to try to use my new one it was completely unbalanced and couldn't figure out how to fix that. - In a similar line, I do mispronounce a couple of things. I think there's only two - aside from my personal pronounciation of Khura'in - but as mentioned I found it rather difficult to re-record any audio. - I would love to do more Ace Attorney videos especially in the leadup to Investigations Remastered, so if you have any ideas I'd love to hear them! That's all for now, but if you have any questions let me know. -V

[@whim165]

Dont worry about repeating the discourse around AJ triology, it's not like people usually look at Apollo individually. I really liked how you verbalized that Apollo is more about honesty than just truth. Its literally his power to notice if people aren't quite acting like themselves but the word never came to me. It's also probably because the AJ Triology had somewhat bigger stakes conflict, with the Dark Age of the Law, compared to the original trilogy, but Apollo usually take things more intensely, I mean, his bracelet literally creates pressure for him to act, so I really like the reading of him internalizing his feelings until it all burst out on SJ. Great analysis!

[@milliardlewmaun4034]

I find it a bit strange that you never directly bring up Apollo's lingering distrust of wright himself, not just Kristoph or Athena. True, he looks up to him as a lawyer even in his low point, but he clearly has a strong hatred over being taken advantage of, which is what happens in 4-1, when he punches Wright for lying to him about the forged card. This desire to have agency is never really made prominent again until dual destinies. I imagine part of Apollo's secrecy comes down to the fact that everyone around him is hiding or has hidden a secret at one point or another.

[@SailorSetsuna7]

Oh what a delight this video was. To be honest, all the facts you presented, as well as the thematic thread between them, are why Apollo is actually my favorite Ace Attorney character, also one of my favorite in media. While I do hate the inconsistencies between his backstories and pretty much a majority of what Dual Destinies did to most characters but him especially (I mean, Yamazaki did admit that the writing behind Apollo there was pretty much 100% "why is Apollo acting like that?" shock factor), I love how all the facts we get about him don't necessarily cancel each other and are rather random life facts coming from a very private person. I love whenever the fandom explores that privacy of his because it often ties all of his portrayals perfectly. Also putting aside the whole Clay thing, I like to think that Apollo's more stoic attitude in Dual Destinies is just the effect of his idealistic view of Phoenix being brutally crushed by AA4 events. Never meet your heroes, kids.

[@sbrowley947]

Glad someone gets it!

[@paolag7455]

That tiny Darklaw when you mentioned the dark age of the law sent me 😭

[@WFlack-wt9fq]

"The three subscribers I have who care about Ace Attorney" Well now you have four! Very good video, glad it showed up in my recommendations.

[@AnAverageItalian]

Now five muahahahahahahah

[@selmabm3409]

I agree on most of this good video! I like Apollo as a character and even AA4 despite all of its flaws. Though I’m glad his arc is somewhat concluded, I do want him to come back as a side character in the future to complete the “Gramarye siblings” plot, but also because I want him to have more cases with Athena. Having them working together is just so fun and entertaining.

[@Sakachi18]

Dude, my man, holy crap. I don't know HOW, but I forgot about Jove Justice. You just reminded me of him and somehow that gave new perspective for me on Apollo. I only ever really think about Dhurke as his dad since he is the dad who stepped up. I know it's not Jove's fault, but wow is he forgettable. Also, for me, Apollo is my favorite protagonist to play as. I love his straight man reactions to everything. I love that he just wants to be a normal lawyer and do his job, even the boring paperwork. Character wise though, yeah he is a bit one note, though really so is Phoenix. Phoenix went from a sponge of a man who just took on whatever anyone else told him and did that, to a man who genuinely wanted to defend those who were innocent and needed help. But think about it, he changed his career choice from art to law just because of Mia and Edgeworth. He acted like a whole different person when dating Iris & Dahlia, and he only ever used to talk about how he became a lawyer because of Larry, Miles and Mia. He was always just soaking up what others did or said in his life and acting accordingly. He didn't start out knowing what he wanted like Apollo or Athena did. He didn't have any real personality other than lawyer and chasing people out of his reach desperately and hopefully, he didn't seem to have any side interests or beliefs or anything to him other than that, until AJ gave him some new character. So the fact that Apollo also took a few games to get some character set up isn't bad, if anything it is the norm. Athena on the other hand gets character right away and is shown to have other sides to her. She is my favorite character wise of the protagonists.

[@RookLobby]

A few possible reasons we lack characterization for Apollo (& Klavier too lol) - Change in game director, Shu Takumi into Takeshi Yamazaki (his assistant) - Corporate fighting against creative freedom. Shu wanted to break away from Phoenix Wright, feeling that his story was complete, but Capcom forced him to put Phenix into the game, stealing the spotlight. You can see the dissent of the writers on this issue through the game vibe, how they were trying to let go of the past, but were torn and afraid to dump Phoenix, the mascot, the cash cow. (Apollo third-wheeling in Kristoph/Phoenix divorce smh 😔) - The entire game was made with the idea of change, a fresh start & fresh blood in mind, and was written specifically in a way to have a sequel... Apollo's character feels incomplete and irrelevant because there was supposed to be a continuation (if Shu Takumi had his way with it) There were things left unanswered for a reason, and the sequel was planned to go more into the Gramarye troupe, Gavin brothers, and Apollo's family. (Shu had an entire Gavin backstory written (!!!) but it was scrapped by the new team 😔) - Irl, almost 7 years passed between games. The new team probably didn't bother to understand the characters in-depth and decided to start fresh. - Correction! The team was FORCED to start fresh, by Capcom, again! With their "no spoiler" policy. Capcom created the restriction to appeal to new fans, while not spoiling previous games so people might be compelled to buy them. (Again, corporate wins over... continuity, this time. The driving appeal behind these games. Lol) -The game delved into darker themes on purpose, like a "grown up" version of Ace attorney for the next generation. It was hoping to shift the tone from the previous three games more towards realism. It (tried to) set Apollo as a more independent lawyer, trusting no one, without any mentor, but that cost him the potential for personal dilemmas. (Kristoph drama took the first stage) Sources: Ace Attorney Wiki, VGfacts, NezumiVA, @AA_Facts on Twitter

[@nightmarearcade2663]

Ok so I really feel the need to ask this because it's been bothering me for awhile. Is there actually any proof that the no spoiler policy exists? I ask this because dual destinies and Spirit of Justice somewhat contradict this idea. Dual destinies brings back Edgeworth and Pearl characters new players would very much be confused by without proper knowledge. And spirit of Justice brought back Email Skye and Larry Butz and the second case to the game delves heavily into troupe gramarye something a new player would have zero idea about and even be frankly confused by if they haven't played Apollo Justice.

[@megarotom1590]

@@nightmarearcade2663I don’t think that contradicts the no spoiler policy, they’re not continuing arcs with them and while one might not get the full effect seeing them there’s nothing that requires knowing their arcs to enjoy the game

[@nightmarearcade2663]

I suppose? But again I bring up the second case of spirit of justice like that's not a case most are gonna get unless they played Apollo justice first. If you ask me it's very likely that they just decided not to bring back older characters and to continue arcs. We gotta remember that Dual destinies and Spirit of Justice didn't have Takumi as a writer so it's not like they'd know what he had planned. I feel like the no spoiler rule was made up by fans due to how they felt about the story of these games. Like I said I can't find any source of where this no spoiler rule idea came from other than what fans have been saying.

[@RookLobby]

​@@nightmarearcade2663 Alright so, yes there is proof, but first let me explain an important distinction. When it comes to the no-spoiler policy, an appearance of a character doesn't bring spoilers. When it comes to AJ, despite Ema appearing, you don't exactly know her entire story, about the serial murder she was involved in, and her sister isn't mentioned even once. You just get a quick intro, and move on. It's done that way on purpose, and has a plausible reason of her just growing up, and being a new person. Just because she shows up, doesn't mean you get spoilers, or need to know them to proceed with the game. Pearl, Maya and Larry appearing doesn't spoil their stories or cases in the first three games (Capcom's goldmine of money) and that causes the character depth to decline as a result. Look at it like this - They're simply recognizable characters brought back, new fans wondering where they come from (maybe inclined to play the previous games like Capcom wants) and old fans having fun with the cameos. It's like a brief trailer and a bit of who they are, but to know more, you would have to play the previous entry. The policy was put in place specifically as incentive to buy the previous games. Showing an old character and not making huge connections to their past, or anyone's past, is a marketing tactic of showing you something and not telling you much, hence the "no-spoiler" just by character appearance alone. Notice the differences. During the first trilogy, you can see character development, relationship arcs, and frequent callbacks to previous events/cases across all three games (example: Edgeworth being scared of earthquakes). Prosecutors come back, some witnesses come back. It's more blatant continuity, and it feels right because AA is just that type of game. AJ (an exception) starts things fresh, and the only spoiler we get is this mysterious case 7 years ago in which Phoenix was an "acclaimed lawyer" and we get a flashback case for it, completely isolated from everything we've seen before, easily understood by a first-time player! No cases or characters from the previous trilogy spoil the story (Phoenix, Judge, Gumshoe) directly. Phoenix, despite appearing in the later games, doesn't tell you about Godot or Dahlia, or describing his reasons for being a lawyer at all, and shows a reversion of his previous character growth. We see Miles Edgeworth appear, and new fans might wonder, damn, what's the history??? - and buy the games. Simple as that. Then DD and SoJ come along realizing, hey, the no-spoiler policy is 7 years old. The original trilogy worked BECAUSE of continuity, but we cannot use that, so - We can create a completely new continuity with Athena while still having a no-spoiler connection to the past by bringing some characters back, not delving too deep, just enough to interest the player. They literally create 4 new backstories for Apollo just to avoid his mom. It's one of the main reasons i've stopped caring. The games are simply too different, and it shows. People may buy the four previous games out of curiosity, and encounter characters that used to have impact and more sense. They just wanted to sell more copies for that $$$ 😑 Most of the proof for this policy is an in-company discussion, some of which were saved as interviews. NezumiVA (who did an entire vid on the games) was correct in saying most of these are now only on internet archive (basically deleted) or in Japanese, translated. Producer Motohide Ishido and Shu Takumi's interviews are the most prominent, but since posting links in yt comments can get it deleted, you'll need to read them yourself 😉 It's strongly implied, and even straight up stated, if you read through these. Tbone415 also has some good videos on this topic as well, showing how many themes from AJ were not continued or used beyond it in DD or SoJ, because of Japan's irl legal issues and mixed reviews. Capcom themselves has a history of implementing a strong restriction on reviewing their games with spoilers, even taking some down, because of possible money loss. It's a sensitive topic for them - these guys just took it to the next step after seeing the backlash. Sometimes this entire "no-spoiler" policy is simply referred to as a 'continuity restriction', and many game companies do this, not only Capcom. You can see it pretty clearly tbh, the change from AA1-3, AA4-6 storytelling, character cameos or not.

[@nightmarearcade2663]

Ok I thank you for the information here. For the longest time I genuinely felt like fans made it up because of how they disliked the way the 3DS Duology told their stories. So I appreciate that you took the time to explain the actual history of this statement and even showed it was in fact a thing.

[@adv78]

My god what a great video. I actually like really very much Spirit of Justice and Apollo Justice (which seems to not be common in the A.A. fanbase), and even tho its definitely disturbing that every single game Apollo comes out having another past in even another entire country that he just casually never mentioned, i can't stop myself from really liking him, specially with the character work done in SoJ. You made me have a better appreciation for his role in Dual Destinies, even if its still REALLY out of nowhere and, tbh, very much absurd that he would immediately flip like he does, specially to phoenix, which, different than both his past mentor and possibly athena, was friends with him for a while. That being said, im happy his character is, mostly, done for while. His ending made sense and, tbh, 3 lawyers was definitely ANNOYING for the writers. You can only be controlling a max of 2 at a time and they had to just keep throwing someone in these sidequests and splitting the plot in 2 which made some parts of the story rushed because you suddenly had to work with 2~1 case to develop this lawyer and its motivations this lawyer instead of 5~4 (specially annoying because the one with more screentime is the only one with a fully developed backstory and an already long-running career). Really hoping for the next AA game after more 32 packages and remakes and reboots and spinoff

[@Vivat_Veritas]

Thanks for the detailed comment! I fully agree with the way his ending was handled, even if it took a bit to get there.

[@weisstofall2615]

I honestly hope Athena gets her own game. Have Phoenix work on making the law better, maybe have apollo visit for case 4 or something, but just one that is all her

[@doubl2480]

​@@weisstofall2615 Really hoping for AA7 to be "Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney".

[@julieliu7924]

SOJ's story for Apollo may be limited but is undoubtedly the best one.

[@moonmystery7469]

I think Apollo is a good character but suffers a little from the fact that those who made the game didn't quite know what to do with him with all his background history which is different in each game but you're right in that it also makes sense for his personality that he keeps things from his past hidden and only moves forward until it all breaks down with the adoptive father, who wouldn't break down after that even someone who has a strong front will show their true selves after a loss of someone they care about even after you keep that past hidden the truth will come out, i hope they will do something more with Apollo in new games if they make more Apollo has so much to offer in ace attorney it could also just be me who just wanted to see apollo vs sebastian since they are my two favorites of new character and hey now you have a new fan of ace attorney that care about this☺

[@NUMBER1TRUCYFAN]

10/10 trucy was mentioned

[@Vivat_Veritas]

Thank you Number 1 Trucy Fan, it means a lot to have your endorsement.

[@user-dx4mv5dj6e]

Absolutely a great video!! Fun to see how people perceive Apollo's character after the fact now (instead of back in the day as each game came out). I will have to disagree with you on Apollo not having any character in his debut game, but I see this come up a lot so I guess it's just a difference in perception. =7= ;; to me, he's quite defined, but also the point of his debut game is how much everyone is leading him through it, not allowing him his own autonomy. It's the whole theme of the game, even! But, again, I can see how he can be perceived as lacking a defined character. One thing I find very interesting is how his added character in Spirit of Justice plays so well with his character in his debut. So much adds up there! I'm not the biggest fan of what Dual Destinies does to him (I'm forever salty about the decision to just make him act different for shock value), but I do like his and Athena's camaraderie. You're absolutely right about those finales missing their punch due to his lack of participation until those finale!! I do have one burning question, though; where did you get those 3D models of Apollo that fix his weird bent backwards hand issue?? That's one of the pettiest gripes I have with his 3D model, it looks like he broke his wrist when he's crossed them.

[@ahmetswag]

really love the way you took everything that people (myself included) usually just see as writing flaws and spun them around to create a narrative that improves upon apollo's character, he was already my favorite lawyer from the series games and your interpretation just helped solidify that. great video all around!

[@alljustforamoment]

I love your Deltarune videos and I was delighted to see you did this one! Ace Attorney is definitely my favorite series (with Apollo being my favorite character), so I enjoyed this a ton, fantastic work!! I would love to see more Ace Attorney videos - I’m always on the lookout for more AA analysis on KZbin

[@chipwiseman2]

I'm glad the writers of SoJ managed to untangle Apollo enough to give him an ending to his arc, what little if that existed beforehand. It means the next game can go all-in on Athena, and that's really what I want after she got kinda shafted in the last two games.

[@markusschmidt624]

The power to turn Klavier orange 😂 Great video!

[@PoyoPowerPlant]

I've been looking for Apollo videos! Oh yeah, perfect time to relive how screwed up my favorite character has come to be in transition!

[@graymin_318]

Just wanted to say I love your videos and seeing that you made an ace attorney video was a great surprise! Also Turnabout Serenade is a great case and you have good tastes.

[@Vivat_Veritas]

Thank you!! Turnabout Serenade sweeeeeeeep

[@wingedjellifish11235]

Honestly my biggest (and I know it's silly) issue with Apollo's backstory is just that he's never shown knowing how to speak any Khura'inese. Like Athena's allowed to be multilingual, why not him??? (if it's because it's a fictional language... I mean, I'll create it, I'd do it for free...)

[@improvwithlions4173]

I actually really love this trilogy and its characters, so I love hearing a perspective on it as a whole! Thanks :D

[@Alibium]

SERENADE LOVER? LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY KING MY MAN

[@annoyingloudmicrowaveculti4373]

dgs referenced multiple times, 10/10 video. (in all seriousness this was a good look at apollo's character across games! thank you)

[@Vivat_Veritas]

I fuckin love DGS so much but someone beat me to a kazuma analysis so I'll have to come up with new ideas

[@kilroywashere4games]

@@Vivat_Veritas So I know it still falls in line with “Kazuma analysis”, but have you considered a video comparing Kazuma as a character to other Ace Attorney characters? I’m not saying specific names just because Kazuma’s in a unique position where his character and choices are very easily compared to both the lawyers and the prosecutors of the series

[@_niftrixx_]

​@@Vivat_VeritasI'd still love to see your take on a kazuma analysis! There needs to be more dgs analysis videos out there

[@annoyingloudmicrowaveculti4373]

@@Vivat_Veritas i ADORE dgs, dgs2 is quite possibly my favourite game in the entire series, not a single case i don’t enjoy a lot. strongly seconding everyone else saying they’d love a kazuma video from you anyway! he’s so deeply entwined with the duology’s themes, which is like… your *thing*! obviously it’s your channel, do whatever videos interest you the most (the upcoming deltarune one… 👀). just don’t let someone else having done a video on the same character stop you - i’ve watched many ralsei videos but yours is the one i keep coming back to :P

[@annoyingloudmicrowaveculti4373]

@@_niftrixx_ there really does

[@raisincookies8035]

wonderful video on my favourite ace attorney character! i've gotten used to the rough story telling in aa5 and aa6 following aa4 that i tend not to take it too seriously. your final conclusion is a really interesting twist of everything, however i still can't help but wish they let apollo shine in his own games thus why i have a little grudge against phoenix wright and the writers. in my mind, there exists a version of aa5 where phoenix takes a backseat and athena and apollo take charge (plus trucy!!! i miss trucy)

[@weisstofall2615]

I honestly really liked Apollo, parrly since his was the game I played first. I like his conflict with Athena in dual destinies, but he was too different, in cool ways, but strange. I loved his relationship with Trucy and Dhurke in AJ3

[@walterclements2892]

I absolutely adored this video! I know you mentioned in another comment that someone already did a Kazuma analysis video, but honestly I’d love to see it, or a video about TGAA in general because those games have so much to talk about

[@chordsofsteel-i4j]

Best character

[@hipersonicc9736]

Apollo has been my favourite AA character forever

[@prismaux5168]

great video, loved it! really love seeing your thoughts about all of these different things. if you are looking for suggestions for ace attorney videos, i think one about the way the series treats the "truth" as very absolute and how that assumption is subverted (slightly) by some of the villains (Blaise in the forgotten turnabout comes to mind) would make for an interesting topic.

[@ripedevilfruit]

Love the video and agree with a lot of what you said! I personally love Apollo and I agree he doesn't really have a character in AJ so its always weird to me when people claim that DD & SoJ butchered him. I feel that he was purposely made to be a bit of a blank slate in AA4 to work with in the future, but I don't think it worked in their favor like it was supposed to if that was the case. I also agree with viewing the trilogys inconsistencies as something more meaningful is more fun.

[@ECOMEXI]

I love your analysis and I LOVE Ace Attorney so I loved seeing this from your channel. Great video and I would be absolutely elated to see more Ace Attorney from you❤️❤️Esp once the Investigations collection releases, I think the second game is full of potential points of analysis and it's definitely my pick for best written in the series :)

[@MellyMellouange]

I somewhat disagree with the notion that Phoenix is more logically driven and Apollo being more emotionally driven. Rather, I think that Phoenix starts out as being driven by emotions -- quickly internalizing Mia's lesson to believe in his client no matter what -- and then learn to see past his emotions to become a better lawyer. Phoenix has to confront his own emotionalism in order face his childhood best friend edgeworth, had to confront the nuances in Mia's lesson in the final case of the second game against Matt Engarde, only to finally come into his own when he had to overcome the ghost of his ex-girlfriend and ultimately convict the prosecutor who protected Maya. He starts from being an overly emotional college kid with attachment issues (as shown in 3-1) and becomes able to carry all the weights that life throws at him by the end of the third game. Apollo has the opposite arc. He's a fairly detached guy, a lawyer trained to be competent, having to get over himself and against his own instincts from the outset. He doesn't follow his own emotions but rather his own principles. When Phoenix tricks Apollo into convicting his own mentor, Kristoph, with fake evidence, Apollo comes to hate Phoenix's guts, but he manages to push past it anyways because needs must and he desperately needed a job. He has to learn to trust his feelings and instincts, which is what the final case of the 5th game has him do. The only thing that I find unfortunate about Apollo is that he's really not the main character of the game that is literally named after him. The story isn't really about him, he's just along for the ride.

[@bepbobbap]

THE GOAT UPLOADED🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@bearhugsleafbugs]

i’ll have to save this for when i’m finished with spirit of justice but i’m excited to watch once i can! :D

[@BunsGlazing768]

OBJECTION! Anyone commenting hasn't finished the video yet. Start watching before you start yapping.

[@natyfop]

I loved your analysis! At the end of the day I think we can all conclude that even though this "second trilogy" was put together using spit and duct tape, there are actual great ideas, concepts and arcs in there. If they could actually remake the whole thing changing some small things around, it could have been so much better! Alas, we know that's impossible, and it's not like what we got was bad actually, just... we can't help but wonder about what could have been, right?

[@julieliu7924]

Thanks for making a video on my fav

[@hadoukenfighter]

While I liked every game in this series, I do like how this video does point out a view point that gets ignored by the fanbase often. In particularly that "the Development of all three of second trilogy games was extremely troubled and Capcom itself had a major role in that" And "Apollo doesn't really have a character in his debut game" you only really need to compare him to Phoenix or Ryunosuke's first appearances to see that but due to this strange discourse in the fandom there's a group that insists to say otherwise because Takumi or Capcom can't do any wrong.

[@Comrade_Hee-Ho]

Klavier Gavin though, he's super epic

[@Posterchild19]

I wasn't expecting this video to be this good. Kudos

[@ChillyChief612]

its sad because I actually like apollo's design and personality, it's just that the writers never know what to do with them instead of give him another backstory. I would have really liked it if apollo teamed up with Athena and both of their mechanics would be combined and used. imagine having to look at the twitch of a defendant while also connecting to the emotions, that would be interesting. or better yet give Athena her own game and just forget all the past ace attorney games and have more like a reboot. there's so many character that I think the series calls for it, they can have cameos but I just think the cast is so big that no one ever gets developed hence why apollo has been in character development limbo.

[@FunnyAngeli]

i love listening to vids i know nothing about ! and this one was great!!

[@Violet_Crumbs]

Juniper mentioned 🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵

[@rang2111]

PLEASE DO MORE ACE ATTORNEY

[@stefanharaldsson8440]

The problem with Apollo is the existence of DD and SoJ. I've always argued that the first Apollo game isn't about Apollo at all, but instead it's an epilogue to the Phoenix trilogy where Phoenix changes the injustice of the previous court system and introduces a new future for the next generation to take over.

[@exceptionallyriso]

I haven't finished spirut of justice yet I'll have to get back to this video

[@trashraccoon2635]

in hindsight, while completely all over the place, apollo's backstory and how things end up taking place is probably the funniest out of the three lawyers in the agency. bio dad died in fire and adopted dad is head of revolution? hit "remind me later" and move on with life via moving abroad. gets a good friend who likes space? seems like a good update; install. boss turns out to be a bad person? ok that's urgent let's deal with that now (does not realize program will need future update). oops the friend who likes space program has exploded in his face and bad guy boss is demanding update. done? let's just relax and have a peaceful life now. welp, the revolutionary adopted dad program is tired of being shoved aside via "remind me later" button and is doing a forced shutdown in order to install program forcibly. my bad, polly, you're stuck with blue screen of death now.

[@Descoslay]

PROFESSOR LAYTON VS PHOENIX WRIGHT SPOTTED 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@demi1999]

banger video

[@weisstofall2615]

Honestly, Clay is one of my favorite characters from Dual Destinies just from how people talk about him (and cause he's super cute)

[@phxcake4012]

APOLLO JUSTICE VIDEO YEAHAHAJAHAHAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@WannabeMarysue]

It never bothered me that Apollo had little characterisation in AA4. Phoenix also had very weak characterisation in AA1+2, with his assistants (Maya, Ema, and even Maggie Bird for that one case) being more of the focus character. A protagonist who exists to be the filter for the world around them, with some interesting connections, was a fine spot for Apollo to occupy. AA4 also left some very interesting places for Apollo to go, inverting a lot of Phoenix's arc. We never find out about Phoenix's family, but Apollo is full of lost family members. Inversely, Phoenix's arc hinges on a childhood incident with a trio of childhood friends, but Apollo doesn't have friendships outside work. This inversion is part of why Clay is disappointing to me, I think Apollo as a bit of a loner newly introduced to navigating friendships was a fresher angle. I am also a huge AA4 fan, and one who would level a criticism at AA5 of feeling like fanfiction. Its hard to explain without feeling like insult, but I do mean it in a netural but critical way. A lot of fanfiction written in the long gap between AA4 and 5 did serve to flesh out Apollo and expand the story. Some writers believed the franchise to be dead at that point, and were making their own continuations. Not too dissimilar to DD, on a budget and with a different vision. A plot beat shared with many fanfictions and Duel Destinies even, was a darker and edgier plotline for Apollo. I never thought this suited the guy, but I guess I can't argue now. I can't argue now.

[@davudlinteanu8947]

5:16 Is it Athena's game tho?

[@Vivat_Veritas]

It is in my heart.

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

my headcanon is that our favourite "angel" attorney mindbroke apollo so much that DD is basically a case of bipolar on his side. His character development did a 360 and moonwalked away heh

[@poopiheadinc.3851]

Mine is that he hit his head and fell into a coma. AA5/6 all took place in his head, when he wakes up, he goes golfing like in that one game

[@QSBraWQ]

Spoiler warnings are bad for retwntion. Noted tho, gonna try spirit of justice maybe sometime.

[@ahomestucker]

damn, this is about the whole apollo justice "trilogy" ... still havent finished the second one. guess i'm legally obligated to stop watching

[@Tasoq]

Personally, I didn't like his backstory for SoJ :/ and I wish there was more of him to play as. I also would've liked to have seen -Dirt Earthling- Clay Terran at least once before he died.

[@shiryshinx]

😅

[@davecross4493]

I mean, they are just separate ace attorney games really. They only called it that later to bundle them together like the original pheonix wright one. I personally think apollo justice as a character is uninteresting.