The Penuel Show In Conversation with Phapano Phasha, 2024 Elections, Cyril Ramaphosa, Desmond Tutu

[@konvo_za]

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH PHAPANO PHASHA 00:00 - INTRO 01:20 - Thoughts on election results 05:05 - What is the black dilemma 11:45 - African leadership’s naivety 20:08 - What is the African agenda 27:45 - Scramble for Africa’s minerals & cheap labour 39:15 - Is black success not good enough 53:00 - The issue of TymeBank & white funding 1:05:00 - Do we have black upliftment 1:13:50 - What model should we aspire to 1:31:10 - Closing comments 1:32:11 - ENDS Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu IG: kzndlovu Tt: khwezindlovu

[@godpenuel]

@@konvo_za Thank you, Khwezi 🙏🏽

[@nkiyasichabalala9549]

The fact that this is not the biggest podcast in South Africa just shows how lost we are as a people. Especially young people.

[@NgoanaMoAfrika]

Miss Phasha, u got it all wrong with Chinese investments n intentions, they are Ruthless savages. Their business dealings are not ethical @ all n want it all back to n for themselves. We have unfortunately change Masters from West to East, while we need none anymore. China has already colonised more than 50% of Motherland Afrika, they are Rascists n Supremacists n PR stunts kingpins of high degree to ALL AFRIKANS disguised as friendship n investments/help, yet they are Hungrier for power anyone b4.😢😢

[@KZN2LDN]

Very true. Most choose entertainment like that macaroni guy and his compadre solomon. Gossip, push piano, drama argh Sies maan

[@thando5769]

@@KZN2LDNthis comment alone says a lot about you.

[@mrplanet3525]

i hear you, we gotta download preserve and share these videos with those who need to know

[@OnlyCC1018]

the way your slides tongue on his d is crazy!!

[@jabulanitshabalala9378]

This show must grow just because it tackles real conversations

[@kingkhondlo]

We prefer sex,scandals, and lifestyle podcast

[@sydwellnqai7726]

Big respect to Penuel

[@godpenuel]

If your leader doesn't treat you the same way they treat their children... then they don't have your best interests at heart.

[@mak28busted]

👏🏾👏🏾

[@francisco7780]

I listened to your interview on theREN and I remember you mentioned this. it was gire I couldn't stop listening and now I finish this one looking forward to see how this ends

[@VincentGinyeni-fl9nj]

thats a fact, they r not even treating our nations as their household/family

[@kgothatsoc4nong688]

That's y I'll never vote

[@mongezimangena3496]

This woman is not here to mess about , she spitting fire 🔥

[@costaqwabe5683]

Is she ??

[@costaqwabe5683]

Is she ??

[@mongezimangena3496]

Yes she is , she is mentioning things a lot of adults are scared of saying

[@Skurafaso]

I don't think so. She uses impassioned speech but her facts seem biased towards a sort of communistic idiology. There is a refusal to accept how things work, eg, she says "China doesn't owe us anything" - this cannot be justification for China to simply be allowed to do the same thing the West did to Africa.

[@blacksands93]

@@mongezimangena3496 she raises good points but non of them have much depth to it. Simple facts 1. Still has more poverty than SA 2. SA’s average salary is 2x more than India 3. Let’s be honest, we have more people escaping Pakistan and India to live and work in SA. On China 1. Pen was right China exploits its own people comparing SA to China is like comparing Lesotho to South Africa. They had 1.5ish billion people during their industrial boom and they exploited so many of those people to get where they are. Essentially inslaving their own people working 1 USD a day. 2. 600000 people die annually in China from over exhaustion working long hours. In SA we complain about minimum wage. Mentality wise we are not like Chinese and we don’t hold their work ethic.

[@bonganexaba2914]

These are the leaders we need in South Africa not puppets.

[@Skurafaso]

Almost all the most vocal leaders we have are like her. This sounds like every political speech prior to elections.

[@sasha8664]

You are getting excited for nothing...just like Juju.All talk but useless

[@llinksenterprise4877]

I love this Lady, "until when are we going to be talking?" ❤🤯🐐

[@R1M1r1m1]

She is so right. No political party is going to save us. This message goes for the west as well.

[@tshepisomphuthi860]

I hold this lady's views at high esteem 👌🏾

[@Kenny-hu2xo]

Coming from the DRC and living in southafrica for a while ,m glad that other Africans from the continent are now raising voices to denounce what the people are going trough over there becoz of the west powers and I believe as africains if we start talking abt issues that concerns our continent insteat of fighting one another then we can start looking for ways to fix them.

[@sinomthakironde9358]

True my brother🤝🏾💯

[@colinvanderross5825]

Great comment@kenny-hu,TO "concentrate on matters concerning our continent,however did you check out the heading,That SA or Africa MUST COPY INDIA OR CHINA😮,Now I'm confused because copy we must but can't do our own damn thing.

[@Mo-zj6ee]

I as a 23 year old male in this country never gets tired of this somewhat repetitive conversations . These should be common convo amongst youth ,atleast there is much room for improvement for us . I wish i could get involved in infroming/educating many more 🙏

[@MrTigga2008]

Repetitive - yawn. Same story. Different day.

[@hadebethandolwenkosi7016]

For me she speaks from a perspective of someone who wants something good to be done but not willing to take the responsibility that comes with what's best for everyone

[@emmanuelunarine4211]

How do we resolve this ? I am one of those people.

[@DakaloMooi_05]

I thiink the solution is to start somewhere no matter how small or insignificant it may seem. Lets start organising pooling our resources, our knowledge and our time to teach and uplift each other.l​@@emmanuelunarine4211

[@patricknkosi5412]

Truth... they are a lot of people like her. Question is why can't they come together and start something?

[@kagishobenny9771]

I always have something to take home after listening to The Penuel Show, this show is the best school of podcasting space in the whole of SA podcasts combined, and the best thing is bro can bring out the best minds to this show, not forgetting his own, therefore that's why I'd always want to be fed by this show

[@skimanization]

The wisdom of this lady is extraordinaire. You tale 1000 youths or more and send them to china or elsewhere where there's higher education in technology, you bring them back to open technological businesses, that's a big start. But this has never happened in South for 30 years even the so-called political genius, nelson Mandela, never thought of it!!!

[@nkululekowilliams5697]

Pen emnyama who is this African Queen 👑👑🎉 yhooo? Such voices need to be heard more! Uyathandeka

[@phumlanindlovu5653]

damn she came in guns blazing for us average joes🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾

[@ackimbanda6334]

Phapano is very well informed and articulates black issues really well, the point she made about the Zambian president being captured by the west is very accurate and spot on. Africa needs brains like this..

[@sekaa1234]

Ibrahim traore an epitome of selflessness and young hungry liberator, Africa unite ✊🏽... Enough is enough of seeing Africa eat it's young!

[@AmoMoëti]

In South Africa you wont have that character of ibrahim traore. SA is democratic country. No military coup. You have to win election free and fair.

[@pablocharlie]

@@AmoMoëti🤣🤣🤣💯💯

[@bonginkosimunyai1153]

Thanks Pen you brought points to the conversation /debate. It was civil too. I learned that you can have conversations about our ideology, passions and beliefs in a civil and respectful manner.

[@siphamandlakhumalo5074]

YOU NEED TO LOVE THIS COUNTRY BY HEART TO ANDERSTAND A WOMEN OF SUCH WISDOM

[@openminded1957]

This woman wow, she just spoke to my heart. Got goosebumps just listening to her.❤❤❤ . Beautiful episode

[@solomzihenge7206]

The joy I had in my heart when I saw this Queen! I can listen to her speak all day everyday! Her drop dead gorgeous looks are a welcome bonus too. 😜

[@khahlisoedwin3273]

Can we do justice to this channel and take it to 500k subscriptions.

[@Mthandean]

Politically astute with vast historical knowledge. Phapano Phasaha, let's me set the reminder

[@WandiieNkosi]

I love her, she Speaks her mind and She’s very Brilliantly Smart❤️

[@menzimsane2680]

This lady knows her story. Explosive episode 🔥

[@Skurafaso]

I am not moved. We have only heard one side of the argument - Phapano's side. Penuel allowed her the space to talk which is good. Pen's comebacks were very carefully placed and I would love to hear a conversation where he gets to articulate them fully and dig for answers because he was coming with something.

[@godpenuel]

This episode was filmed on 15 July 2024.

[@khangwelokhangwelo6553]

can you bring people that actually do research on the things they say

[@luoblood]

She is very well informed on African matters. I enjoyed listening to her! Well done!

[@diysolutions4175]

this knowledge is gold, she's good and she's speaking pure truth.

[@Kenny-hu2xo]

I didnt know people like this woman who have so much knowledge abt Africa and the world,existed in southafrica.

[@blessingkamogelo1435]

Maaaaan, you have a star right here🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦♥️♥️♥️

[@Nkosenhle-zn4xi]

I eager for debates in your show bhuti Penuel. One day pls bless us with 2 guests who have conflicting ideas.

[@senzojonathan355]

Idea worth testing!

[@large23]

We can't compare Africa to China and India. Africa is a whole continent with over 50 different countries nd ideologies

[@godpenuel]

South Africans need to work much much harder. And transfer skills through apprenticeship, more than schools.

[@sindilengcatshe-ln5hg]

When will you bring oshay duke jackson bro.

[@llinksenterprise4877]

She asked a pertinent question, what are we going to do about it? Thina nawe Pen. ❤

[@GontseMoremi-g5e]

Are you even doing that or Just telling us without actions?

[@lindowaves6309]

I love this lady man. She spits fire everytime🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@homemail9653]

I have issues with some of the things she says, but the lady is highly intelligent and knowledgeable. Pen, you held your own, although I have a feeling you were holding back on some topics. Interesting convo.

[@Skurafaso]

Agreed. I think Pen was holding back and letting her talk. She took the conversation (and that's a good thing), but there are a lot of problems with her perspective.

[@blacksands93]

I agree with you both. For starters India still has millions in poverty. In fact the average salaries in SA are 2x more than that of India. Using them as a benchmark is not convincing anyone. Secondly, their numbers make India an extremely competitive market. All India families are very hard on their children to excel in their studies. Hence why those with enough drive will leave Indian and succeed in the US or Uk. This is the same for Nigerians. Nigerians are 4th richest national group in the US. 1 are Indians followed by your Persians and believe it or not whites are 5th. Long story short, South Africans fail the moment a child is born. We blame politicians and we blame imperialism but we don’t look at ourselves and realise that we fail our children and do not push them enough to excel. Hence why we can never be like China or any country mentioned. Mentality comes first.

[@monbru]

@@Skurafaso he mask fell off faster than I thought. she's a communist and would love to have her hands on the state owned entities. why could nt she clean up corruption in the Anc. What happened to VBS bank? no one is stopping her from starting her own bank and tell her friends to bank there

[@TheAfricanTea2023]

Great show Penuel! I'm glad you brought up the part about their being educated Xhosas. Although, its not just educated Xhosas. Contrary to the story the mainstream media and whites regurgitate, there are highly skilled and educated Black/Coloured South Africans and they too are highly coveted outside of the South Africa. Sometimes more than the Nigerian and the Indian because of their command of the English language. South Africans must not fall into the trap that they are unskilled and that is why Africans from Nigeria, Zim and other foreigners must be allowed here. ISouth Africans deserve the low, middle, and high skilled jobs first. Not opening the flood gates to workers just because they are African.

[@NkosikhonaMdluli]

Phaphano doesn't understand black natives in SA 1 She is trying to make us accept mass immigration 2 She is blaming SA for Hiroshima like wooow 3 we are not instigators of violence in other African countries

[@NkosikhonaMdluli]

And I have notice that it is easy for other Africans and South African women to disrespect South African black men and I wonder why

[@musafiridedieu3690]

The second best podcast I have intelligibly fall interest in, this brain of the lady is to be protected, the day our african ladies will rise to battle the true cause of our continent, we'll win the battle truly. INGETA my QUEEN 💪❤️🇨🇩🇨🇩🇨🇩

[@mfundobusisiwe8584]

wish you all the best penuel i wish one day God willing you will be the biggest african podcaster instead of those clowns next door....!

[@nickola051980]

Absolutely admire this Queen, the power she excuses, we must protect her

[@ayandas.ngcobo3026]

The conversation was enriching, with the lady offering some great points and insightful knowledge. However, it is unfortunate that she downplays the frustrations felt by many South Africans. This tendency to minimize or overlook such frustrations is part of the reason many problems in our country and across the African continent remain unsolved. Addressing these frustrations openly and empathetically is crucial for finding effective solutions and fostering real progress.

[@mandileoxen]

Brilliant guest, but she needs to also learn to listen. Every time the host interjects she starts by saying “no” without even hearing what the host is saying. It’s a sign of stubbornness. Great guest, great conversation 🙏🏾 thank you Konvo and The Penuel Show.

[@softdoc631]

I love to listen to young African minds that see the big picture. Our liberation as a people has to come from us. The people we call leaders have no desire and motivation to push towards our liberation because they are also taskmasters, a huge part of our problems. Love from 🇳🇬

[@jabulanitshabalala9378]

From fighting for land till we end up with homosexual rights.... something is wrong with south africa.

[@HWFrancois]

Homosexuality weakens the nation.

[@sunsetbux]

You guys were duped big time!

[@mzansitrash]

😢

[@kfutuahnkain86]

Very true my brother. They tell people that it is freedom when there is no economic freedom

[@miss3v3lyn]

This young lady is spitting 🔥 and I am hoping that more and more youth have this knowledge and mindset so that they can rise and fight for their own destiny and the destiny of South Africans with this armour of knowledge and mindset. I believe Africa has begun rising 👏🏽👏🏾👏🏽

[@DandaLoshashane]

We need more of this conversation. It keeps us informed and encouraged us to want more and do more.

[@mzansifootball585]

What a Profound Conversation...✊.

[@KholofeloSebati]

Phapano, she is a different class. 🎉

[@bonganihadebe2422]

This woman must be protected at all times, gotta love her brains, gotta love this channel 🔥🔥

[@sandilemntungwa1538]

Mr Mlotshwa just never bring people like Rutendo here this is our queen we really appreciate ❤

[@ELISIOHONWANA]

Eloquently explained! She is Very intelligent and knowledgeable...

[@sibusisokhoza871]

👏👏👏....Supaaa discussion. Thanks to U (Penuel & Team) and u-Sisi Phasha...🙏🙏🙏 Luyasabeka ulwazi eninalo. Ningapheli amandla, kuningi esikufunda kunina.✊✊✊

[@yawerobin]

What a woman!!! Spot on. We still look up to liberators.

[@ditiloshupinyaneng9362]

Thanks Phenyo & to my sister Phapano…👏🏿💚…identity appropriation through naturalisation while return of the land…who is to say that those that assimilate & adopt the culture while the land question continues to convolute with every delay that will cause an potential civil eruption of local South Africans & the diaspora…its contentious it will undermine tolerance in these identity divides…pan Africans need to separate issues & be clear …”lapha edladleni”

[@HighjackPodcast]

Respect to Phapano, great analogy especially in economics

[@haruko1297]

I cant wait my special podcast with penuel then I will break down in details what this beautiful intelligent is explaining. its just wow

[@boitshokodibobo714]

Honestly speaking… I hear all these points, these problems that are being raised on these shows: where or what are the solutions? I like the fact that Penuel asked about whether should China and India be used as a model for Africa… unfortunately we tend to disregard “inferiority complex” as a people. I hope on the next episode, Penuel could ask her to point out on the solutions to all the problems that she’s raised. Nonetheless, beautiful episode

[@ThulaniMdakane-vt5wm]

😢 bombshell after bombshell ehh we really need another sitdown Penuel. As South African we really need to focus on the problem

[@BatsiraiMusuka]

1:33:34 definitely not enough. Caught it halfway but this has been your best episode to date🙌🏾 I now have to go watch this from start. Love how you brainstorm with Sis’ Phapano… between the lines is where the solutions will begin to coalesce. I believe it’s conversation like these that will see us come closer as Afrika eventually so we move in tandem, as a singular block with our people’s interests at the forefront. And l will highlight it again… this continent provides 50% of the world’s raw material needs. If we were more conscious of that one fact… all else COULD be guided around that. “The war is over, if we want it” - Yoko Ono

[@grfico_]

Such a basket of knowledge, my take home is we need as a country invest in manufacturing everything and circulate the flow of money amongst black people.

[@Tizza.21]

Love Phapano Phasha,fire 🔥

[@mzomuhlemalinga4966]

Good job penuel it goes without saying wathinta imbokodo you must watch out. There is so much power & strength in our women it goes beyond measures. We can learn, take action, unite, build as South Africans and Africa women should be given their rightful place as leaders so called current statemen are failing us to drive Africa forward. When honest women & men raise their voices there will be strength there is hope.

[@malusingongoma2830]

Penuel can you have Candace Owens on your platform my brother 🙏 please

[@Augustinmasedi348]

Been following Pen and Phapano on social media since 2016 glad to see them having a chat again

[@sellodancanleboho1069]

Superior geopolitical analysis 👏

[@thekodiphuko3435]

Phapano good communicator she listens...❤

[@taoteching7784]

Elder Marcus Garvey said Afrika must look to the East . . . . . . . " Other Afrikan peoples leaders came with their own visions . . . ."

[@TaSiyaWorld]

She's back my favorite guest. Let me get to it

[@Thabaniization]

15min in...already lovind the conversation. Penual keep doing what you are doing bro. If you feel overwhelmed at times take a break and come back again... You the dude 😎👊🏿

[@Lmngx13872]

Africa is a global consumer not a producer.

[@melmthombeni9761]

This woman is on point. This are the kind of people we need in all of Africa.

[@litebohonkhabu640]

Phaphano for President ❤ love this woman

[@theonly6359]

I have to be honest this is one of my favourite interviews on this podcast. Nnete e buang mo hmm yah neh.

[@ndumisoqolintaba8224]

I'm here for this 🙌

[@sizwezulu3604]

Penuel my brother that was very interesting podcast diving into our problems as South Africans and Africa. I like your follow up questions and how sisi Phapano responded. But really we need solutions on next session. What about using the same whites in SA to develop our country but now fight for genuine equality i.e. land distribution, being the producers, having access to markets not red tapes. My reason is that us as blacks we always fight for smallanyana skeleton and loose the bigger picture. Big up Mkhaya ntwana yase location eMadadeni.

[@skimanization]

What I take and agree with this lady is that Africa should learn from China and India which were also colonised by the British. I know these countries imported companies from USA and so on for cheap labour, they have learned, and later they prospered. It's better to do something positive than only engage in corruption!!!

[@skimanization]

Phapano Phasha can easily be a PRESIDENT for AFRIKA!!! She's woman but a political, financial GENIUS!!! Period!!!

[@simphiwezuma4247]

Let's all pay 100rand every month who watched this episode and let's send young people overseas and let them learn and start our own bank

[@bonganimashinini6771]

Where was this lady all along....thank you again for informative episode.

[@DonnyDonald-eo7tr]

I love this woman ,she knows story of SA politics I hope she is with MK

[@manqobamazibuko167]

This is an enlighten, great show broer!!!

[@NkanyisoTheCorporateguy]

@godpenuel Your content has truly transformed the way I think and approach life. It's rare to find something that resonates so deeply, but your work has done just that. The insights and perspectives you and your team share have opened my mind and enriched my understanding in ways I never imagined. I'm grateful for the time and effort you put into creating such meaningful content, and I look forward to seeing how your work continues to inspire and challenge me. Thank you for making a genuine impact on my life.

[@thegreattyler7878]

Shout out to this Lady man!!! amazing!!

[@xoladlamini3675]

Danko Desmond Tutu😂😂😂 we deserved that laugh after the constant bars being dropped

[@vusidumisanimiya994]

Phapano Phasha🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Ntthabi]

Come the next municipal elections, we will remind the president that we did not support the ANC to go into coalition with the DA

[@thewestiswasted5216]

YOU NEED MORE OF THESE MATURED DISCUSSION

[@SimonRushton]

I like this lady she's on point, and she argues her point well. Which i agree with

[@VusiSelected]

Let's protect her 🔥🙌🏾

[@sfisomlondo6699]

I underestimated this conversation, what a beautiful thoughtful and informative person. Thanks Penuel ❤️

[@clydendlovu6981]

I don't agree with her with some things; but I respect her and some of her thoughts

[@Mrtdogg101]

This is my all time Konvo crush-beauty with brains!

[@bonginkosimunyai1153]

How about Ursula 😢 and Ayanda❤

[@Mrtdogg101]

@@bonginkosimunyai1153 they are good but not at this level of intellect

[@mos2014afr]

My LEADER your a voice of voiceless I wish we can have millions of leaders like you in our motherland 5% of the population is controlling us we need to act now

[@nomasontogumede2667]

I don’t like to listen to you Penuel but I will follow your interviewee she is brilliant

[@mkhululimhlanga2004]

Wow thanks Pen ukuletha limbokodo

[@leonardojordyn4864]

This woman is a gem she must write a book join mk party to help grow it...penuel you ask negative questions

[@notre2024]

I didn’t see any negative questions-in fact, I benefited from every question asked 😊. I also liked your comment about joining something, something, lol 😊.

[@defineddaily_ketapelethipe1593]

Waiting over here

[@nathisosibo8240]

Let's vote again the popularity first before then we take our country to became ours.