THE PENUEL SHOW WITH RUTENDO MATINYARARE 00:00 - INTRO 04:55 - Zimbabwean advocacy, ZanaPF 09:40 - Sanctions 12:14 - Support for ANC 18:50 - Who are the beneficiaries 22:30 - BEE 27:40 - Why BEE failed 34:35 - Recognising opportunities 38:50 - Concept of Fargin 44:20 - The Lie of 1652 46:10 - Gayton McKanzie 51:55 - Immigrants & immigration laws 59:20 - Cape Independence geopolitics 1:01:25 - SA & Zimbabwe relationship 1:07:00 - Zimbabwe’s fight for SA 1:16:25 - Opinions vs Facts 1:21:00 - Who we need to speak to 1:26:10 - Opinions of ordinary South Africans 1:28:50 - Focus on illegal immigrants 1:34:15 - Closing comments 1:38:27 - ENDS
@MOHAEKA6 ай бұрын
Rutendo = Malema.period......
@Voodooblackmagicmanifestation6 ай бұрын
😊😊
@taharka38976 ай бұрын
You must be out of your M F mind!!!!! Why would you support any white people in Africa. Cape independent? That should not be talked about. If that were to ever happen, my country America would immediately set up a military base. Probably install nuclear weapons. The Cape would eventually control all of SA. Be careful what you say. I am an x US military veteran. You better listen to me.
@taharka38976 ай бұрын
You just proved to me that you are a coward. Why did you remove my comment? Was it too intelligent for you?
@ebekker74675 ай бұрын
Pen, if you ever have a chat with Rutendo again then you need a fact checker there. He throws out some absolute nonsense statements but demands facts from anyone else?
@godpenuel6 ай бұрын
I can only debate like this with Rutendo because he's a brother & we both respect each other. I don't challenge like this with other guests because our relationship isn't at that level yet. ✌🏽
@cromwelgcina97076 ай бұрын
Understood Black Pen however, it will be interesting to have an episode where you debate a guest. It should be a robust debate. Let the guest know that there will be a debate that will be interesting
@godpenuel6 ай бұрын
@@cromwelgcina9707 mosy definitely. David Ansara owes me a debate.
@mastermoses10976 ай бұрын
@@godpenuelSho Pen i like that you didn't let Rutendo run over you just like that,you came back with a few verbal combos yourself lol.
@cheresenaoana6 ай бұрын
Jooo Penzo, there was a point where you were very pissed and bit your bottom lip, but I enjoyed it bra n a lot.
@Nonpsense6 ай бұрын
I am for Africans, and I love how Rutendo just ignores the fact that we did not go to Zim in large numbers. We got our independence last and had no time to heal regroup and start building the South African dream for our black people. South Africans are generous at heart and currently we live with a lot of Zims that have a share on the small pie or crumbs falling from the main table, even eating from the effort that our parents died for while working the apartheid system. South Africans stayed home in large numbers to defend and defeat the system. We are currently helping Zims and our Kids are sharing crowded classes with their kinds and I think its time now for them to go rebuild their country and make it work. While on our side… heal, regroup, and try again to resolve our economic issues factoring the delay that we had. We really need to fix our country and be proud for the future left behind.
@lucansiemelo91886 ай бұрын
Rutendo is the only guest who never allow Penuel to toy around with him.😂😂😂
@thapelomorare14846 ай бұрын
Forgot Lux
@jaisonjamela62896 ай бұрын
1 hour 13 minute is the only time I've seen the GodPenuel stuck! Never thought I'd see that moment because my guy is brilliantly brilliant. 👏
@vivianmphela69836 ай бұрын
Exactly what was going through my minnd😂...
@AnzaniNephalama6 ай бұрын
Rutendo is very arrogant and want us to accept his wayward attitude allowing them here because of what happened in past. Illegal foreigners are committing crimes here. He can’t waywardly force us to allow nonsense.
@portiandlovu28276 ай бұрын
Rutendo is 'selling' the reason why foreigners are here. I dont know to who. We don't want to hear that. We have real issues on the ground. Come to ekasi and see. Drug issues and crime....Guys!!!
@beautybalance76 ай бұрын
Truth be known, Rutendo is one of the very few individuals whom I enjoy listening to.
@BOZACKSKY6 ай бұрын
If you enjoy listening to the truth you would be mindful of Rutendos propaganda. He will give the regime up in Zimbabwe a blank cheque and mix issues with half truths.
@kushngaye735229 күн бұрын
But is manipulative
@beautybalance729 күн бұрын
@@kushngaye7352 How?
@thamimasingila78436 ай бұрын
Whenever you bring this man, make sure the episode is 3 hours
@zamoandile14636 ай бұрын
Please make sure it’s 3hrs. And we would love to see what its like to see you guys go hard on an actual debate.
@user-nh6vw5xc6t4 ай бұрын
3hours of educational interview and real information that most of youth don't follow or know of.
@user-nh6vw5xc6t6 ай бұрын
Rutendo is telling us the information we need as youth. He does thorough research,he's filled with knowledge and information accompanied by facts.... I'll never regret watching his interviews on this podcast or any. Good job man
@tobolee63856 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 just another trouble maker who fools the masses ,,very easy in africa ,,,,
@brightonjumbe32436 ай бұрын
I agree with you,learn through him and you will make it in life
@tobolee63856 ай бұрын
@brightonjumbe3243 lol another 15% comrade . Go back to education ....africa is the easier continent in the world for there people to believe anything ...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
Useless information brother. If it were useful, Zimbabwean youth would be radical & fighting zanuPF
@user-nh6vw5xc6t4 ай бұрын
@rankz.6474 that's your own xenophobic opinion I won't engage at it, that's how you chose to see and understand it unfortunately so that's your view not mine.
@liemamhlaba-np6nj6 ай бұрын
Siyabonga RUTENDO KEEP TEACHING HIM
@zintlesolani88326 ай бұрын
Rutendo will speak recent facts about South African affairs until he needs to speak about Zimbabwe, he will start talking about history! Great conversation by the way💯
@nosizongcamu71286 ай бұрын
Master of diversion. This derails the conversation and leaves many questions unanswered. Purposely.
@ulwandon6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and go on to defend Zim again
@zintlesolani88326 ай бұрын
@@ulwandon Which is weird 😂. Even the way he talks about Zanu-pf something is not make sure.
@ulwandon6 ай бұрын
@@zintlesolani8832 as Average South Africans its not true that we don’t care… we do care and now every town is full of foreigners which is irritating cause alot of average SAns are not really benefiting as Pen said
@zintlesolani88326 ай бұрын
@@ulwandon I would like to hear his solution that is not related to historical events to illegal foreigners in SA. A simple answer from a ‘knowledgable’ person like him.
@goitsemangsesinye63146 ай бұрын
Haai Rutendo is dropping bars. Yesses! Highly knowledgeable and informative. Respect!
@sibusisozulu9196 ай бұрын
highly misleading bars.
@msamedia26936 ай бұрын
Misleading bars and contradiction
@goitsemangsesinye63146 ай бұрын
@@msamedia2693 ignorance is always afraid of change!
@goitsemangsesinye63146 ай бұрын
@@sibusisozulu919 In the age of information, ignorance is a choice!
@msamedia26936 ай бұрын
@@goitsemangsesinye6314 what are you talking about?
@emmanuelramopedi90136 ай бұрын
Baba Rutendo, may you kindly put together a documentary or movie that will teach us inhabitants of Southern Africa our history of how we got invaded. Maybe make it a movie so that even even kids may watch it and learn from it the same way we learnt from Shaka Zulu movie about Zulus, thank you Bro Penuel for hosting, thank you Bro Matinyarare for sharing... The education from here is so rich and eye opening
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
SAn ba makatsa, you're better off than someone, yet you want to learn from them & be like them🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️ if Zimbabweans have all the answers, why can't they defeated their BLACK government & rebuild their country?
@Namwenyomuwa3716 ай бұрын
I'm in Namibia 🇳🇦 Namibian and I like listening to Benson's insights on different issues, and has inspired and educated me. I have strong admiration in him.
@haonayaclaudemakgatle65936 ай бұрын
sorry who is benson?
@nelsonmungoba15476 ай бұрын
He hates that name… put some respect on Rutendo’s consciousness 😅😅🇳🇦🇳🇦❤
@Namwenyomuwa3716 ай бұрын
@@haonayaclaudemakgatle6593. Rutendo Matinyarare
@Namwenyomuwa3716 ай бұрын
@@nelsonmungoba1547 Name is just name, it doesn't influence the person's consciousness.
@SuperMolefi6 ай бұрын
In the beginning they used to think Penuel is politically educated. He has no clue what's "really" going on in politics.
@menelisimabandla6066 ай бұрын
True that
@prettisibbs21766 ай бұрын
Exactly
@MelCollins-uo4zu6 ай бұрын
I agree with your comment. I've just tried to raise the same point. This man was always suspect.
@M3l_0N6666 ай бұрын
Well he isn't incapable of learning. He still has far more sense than most people who vote for the worst parties.
@M3l_0N6666 ай бұрын
But I'd argue that much of the majority also don't know much about politics because those in charge have ruined this nation, and who keeps them in power? The sensible few are for some reason not getting enough support as those who are clearly just big mouth communists who live in luxury while the people they claim to fight for only continue to experience worsening situations, are the ones getting all the votes. So people seem to be attracted to assholes and liers because they themselves don't actually know how to distinguish wise and educated, from fools, because that in itself requires good education and our education system is in the top 5 for the worst in the world. A quote, those who follow the wise become wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
@mbulelohlalukana55556 ай бұрын
Good job Penn for exposing the flawed narrative by your Guest. Great conversation
@dontshuks47296 ай бұрын
Which flaws! Care to elucidate
@masimbamurambiwa50996 ай бұрын
YOU ARE MY HERO RUTENDO. YOU ARE FIGHTING A WAR WHICH NO OTHER EVER DREAMT OF. You are well EDUCATED much better that the majority of schooled african professors in this african land. You are a Prophet my dear Brother. Y are well sent. ORDAINED!!!!!! THANK YOU once again MY DEAREST BROTHER
@merchantcharles19545 ай бұрын
It was a blessing when Rutendo became woke. He spoke about the days when he did not know better. Unfortunately, the South Africans have become selfcentered, , selfish, historically ignorant, and they will fall victim to anothet form of apartheid, more subtle and pernicious than the first. They better wake up.
@RamotsekiLesibo6 ай бұрын
Penuel could you please invite Julius Malema together with Rutendo so that we can have clarity on South African politics and Zimbabwean politics please 🙏
@M3l_0N6666 ай бұрын
I wouldn't want Malema here, he has nothing good or factual to say otherwise. Only ego and a big mouth.
@wisemankwazisibutha57004 ай бұрын
Yes please
@NMMJAKADA4 күн бұрын
Maybe mbuyiseni ndlozi
@kevinlenyatsa36486 ай бұрын
Rutendo is the teacher i never had
@ndumisobuthelezi39465 ай бұрын
His feeding us nonsense telling us it's facts
@user-xw2em7pi4g4 ай бұрын
Then you just a dom student that cant see that this Rutendo has an evil agenda.
@teddydavis23396 ай бұрын
I love these 2 guys. As an African American, here in the US, this conversation needs to be had in order to create real wealth in the African American community. Penuel, it's your show, but listen to Rutendo because he knows a lot.
@keabetswemolotsi35216 ай бұрын
the best debate I have seen this year on any podcast, Penuel excellent job of voicing how the popular narrative that most black South Africans argue about the Zimbabwean issue, and an excellent job from Rutendo in staying firm on historical facts.
@Ometz0636 ай бұрын
Rutendo's views come from facts and that's so inspiring. We really can't solve our problems without knowledge.
@msamedia26936 ай бұрын
Facts are subjective.
@IonizedComa6 ай бұрын
People label truths they like as facts and truths they don't like as propoganda or malinformation. People will ignore the spike in human and drug trafficking caused by illegal immigration as long as it suits their narrative.
@Kusanagi76186 ай бұрын
"Crime actually went down since foreigners came to south Africa" a blatant lie
@Vtek_M6 ай бұрын
how sure are you? have you fact check all that he is saying?
@leadaheadleadahead21876 ай бұрын
No he does not but does place intelligent articulated views. Just because something is said nicely does not mean it’s fact and true.
@mvuseleloisaac66676 ай бұрын
Am proud to be from Southern, where these two great minds originate..Thank you once again..
@ericnqobilengwenya94606 ай бұрын
There is no great minds lana he is just bored mampara
@zynmf90866 ай бұрын
Rutendo is a genius watching from Malawi
@godpenuel6 ай бұрын
Book reference: The Lie of 1652: A Decolonised History of Land - Patric Tariq Mellet
@math970036 ай бұрын
Penuel next time ask this guy why a country like Russia which is sanctioned more than Zimbabwe since 2014 and at war is able to grow it's economy and able to donate free grains to multiple African countries including Zimbabwe.
@letsololetsela176 ай бұрын
Can I get a hard copy, calling from Lesotho
@user-ou3hp3hi7m6 ай бұрын
Godpenuel please call rutendo again for 3 hours this time as a university student I use some of his arguments in class
@tshepomothapo90976 ай бұрын
your math is not mathing, point one is that Russia was never colonised, two...Russians own Russia, come on my guy...ask somethig else. @@math97003
@Royi80836 ай бұрын
You should get Rutendo and Gayton to debate the illegal foreigner issue.
@unkle_nk6 ай бұрын
It's always exciting when Rutendo is in the building.🙌🏾
@Exhausia6 ай бұрын
Always love listening when you host Rutendo. I am from Uganda. Would love to hear his mind on Uganda
@OtsileChannel6 ай бұрын
As a 21 year old male South African, Rutendo has become one of my role model and i have a foreigner 41 year old male friend.
@sinomthakironde93586 ай бұрын
Hello brother a child of the soil can never be a foreigner within the continent that’s a European notion used to mentally alienate us from each other💪🏾 I get your intention through the message though
@skiski15046 ай бұрын
Proudly declaring you have a "foreigner friend" , is just like whites saying "I even have a black friend". Africans are not foreigners in SA
@MlamuliMkhwanazi-zr2me6 ай бұрын
Can i be your friend?
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
@@sinomthakironde9358I brother, even during the times of tribal chiefs borders existed, you don't want borders bc your parents mismanaged your country, & you don't want to challenge your government, so you give up on your country & try to convince us to give up ours to you.
@sinomthakironde93586 ай бұрын
@@rankz.6474 I’m cool😂 I live well weather in SA or in the homeland Royal descendant here I’m not against borders,I’m just saying that we all came from the Congo region Sonke slovene,nakhona oMiya eUganda,bakhona oMthembu eTanzania You are right about African countries being mismanaged though
@dwaintrollip54036 ай бұрын
You guys love this guy nê. A man that loves Zanu but doesn't want to stay in the place they govern. Aren't there any other people to talk to?
@gazathugrashad596 ай бұрын
Do you know that you can just watch other content and you are not forced to be here. If you don't like the guy and his content just move on. You will find peace & let those who want his content watch it
@kush42866 ай бұрын
@@gazathugrashad59facts, man is acting as if there’s a gun to his head, keep it moving bro, and leave these gems 💎 for us.
@alexmooya61706 ай бұрын
On that he is a hypocrite coz he fails or avoids criticising Zapf. He knows that in Zimbabwe, you disappear if you are too critical of the znpf.
@kush42866 ай бұрын
@@alexmooya6170 what’s the alternative? Inviting the whites to plunder again? It’s better to slowly wrestle the current party for Decades than losing power to the white man. Zimbabweans can get power from ZANU, but can not wrestle it from whites if they take back power.
@shubielechesa88366 ай бұрын
Aren't there any other channels you can watch? Maybe pro Israel, or pro fascists channels?
@mthulisidube55026 ай бұрын
I'm a Zimbabwean Peniel but I can tell you that Rutendo is a psychological dunderhead, someone does not need to be sophistical and educated to be heard and validated. You did a good job to expose that in this interview.
@tinashemaenzanise32006 ай бұрын
Please Watch the interview again.
@user-xy4dz1ek6e6 ай бұрын
Rutendo is a very dangerous tool😂. The guy will come at you with a lot of smart facts and ideas just to decorate a very twisted essence of an argument. You will get boggled down on the smart decorations and never notice that he has misled all of you. great wit
@SideHustlesMzansi6 ай бұрын
My calendar should open up 2025 i need to sit with you guys. Great conversations great minds!🤯 Great talk on foreigners and working together as Africans
@fluid16146 ай бұрын
South Africans are the last to get "freedom" in Africa and hence we're the last to learn the hard way that we were lied to that school education is key and jobs are a pathway to financial freedom. Now we're seeing the light and acting on this.
@thatomadub67776 ай бұрын
Wow, Rutendo and Pen thank you. Real food for thought 🔥🔥🔥
@alexmooya61706 ай бұрын
Loved the conversation as usual. Regarding Rutando and Zanupf, he became dishonesty and . He can't even go back to Zim. He is strong on criticising the SA government and other sitting ministers back he is failing to do the same for Zimbabwe. Based on his double standards, he is a coward. He is enjoying the freedom in SA he can't even do so in Zimbabwe. What a hypocrite.
@senzenimoyo78736 ай бұрын
Yes he is a big hypocrite why is he avoiding the corruption issue there is evidence of gold being caught at the airport.And i think he is singing the sunction issue so that he can gain a fever from Zanu pf,he is behaving more like Jonathan Moyo.
@sibonelotshonga93106 ай бұрын
But Rutando has been objective about SA
@alexmooya61706 ай бұрын
@@sibonelotshonga9310 Yes he has and l love him for that. But when it comes to Znpf, he loses the objectivity, zeal and power to objectively criticized the Zimbabwean sitting government hence my saying he applies double standards. Every other aspect, he is spot on until one brings in the Zanupf issue and all wheels come off
@eltielt16096 ай бұрын
He did explain why he does not go back to Zim Also he detailed why he can say good things about Zanupf All resonable explanations. Watch again
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
@@eltielt1609 nothing reasonable, so zanuPF will rule Zimbabwe forever? While Zimbabweans are perpetual refugees who curse their neighbours who are sick of hosting them? Hai man THINK broer.
@shepherdthachristian6 ай бұрын
Great chat, Pen, once more thanks for pushing back and balancing the narrative. Keep up the good work 🙌
@justhumans0076 ай бұрын
Penuel we love you. Understand your guests are there to speak, teach and defend their opinions and ideas on a free, fair but intellectual platform ( meaning their ideas may be challenged).However we ask you to not be emotional and distractive if what they is based on facts because we are learning about things we didn't know about as well. Unfortunately facts are just facts and we cannot change them because they are unsettling to us. With that being said this is not the MacG GOSSIP show where emotional biases dictate the facts. You are our intellectual on that seat, challenge the concepts and ideas but not in a childlike manner. If it's a fact, whether you care or not, is for you to debate at your friendly spaces. Not on our learning podcast. Despite that this was great debate.
@anitasamuels88216 ай бұрын
@justhumans007, well spoken. 👏👏
@philipmahuda26076 ай бұрын
Good feedback there
@devol_16 ай бұрын
exactly.. im also questioning WHY South African platforms are hiding these facts from us. other Africans did fight and die with us. WHY does it feel like that is being hidden from us ???
@bigbrasi41326 ай бұрын
He is annoying. Bro just listens to argue, he doesn't listen to understand
@WandaHischild6 ай бұрын
The debate between the 2 of you provided a learning curve for you Penuel which I think you refused to take, have a teachable spirit and you will grow immensely in knowledge and wisdom, but great conversation I hope you have more like that. Given Mkhari should give you a prime time show on Power FM, Power Perspective
@n.m62496 ай бұрын
I don't watch this show unless Rutendo is talking. I support him going out and being selfish and making money, he has planted the seed even to me who is into geopolitics. Zimbabwe story definitely needs to be told truthfully not in the mainstream media stance. His knowledge is impeccable. I wish we can have people from other African countries to tell African stories Penuel I fully agree with everything you say about the ANC, we love the ANC but they are not working for us. Cyril has crippled the country
@thembamkwanazi52656 ай бұрын
Well im glad u brought Rutendo back and he really broadens my horizen
@user-kf1kl9fx8r6 ай бұрын
I love this debate. We need more of these exchanges Penuel. Once every 2 to 3 months we need Rutendo in that studio. Whether I agree or disagree with his views, its important we have such exchanges. Sikhathele ama-debates by politicians, intellects tend to open the mind.
@ArthurMavusana366 ай бұрын
Well said 👏
@EyanniiYannah6 ай бұрын
I've been listening alot of Dr Umar Ifatunde Johnson,I ve never realised that we have our own Black conscious intellectual here in Southern Africa.Yes,I am a security guard and now I am a revolutionary one,I grow some balls to tell non Africans boss of mine that this is my country and they can not mistreat me in my own forefathers land.
@siphosymposiummadikizela37336 ай бұрын
My people matter, ordinary South Africans matter!!
@havelboumbidi4406 ай бұрын
I was looking forward to an episode with Rutendo thanks for bringing him back.
@januaryruben22166 ай бұрын
Consuming content from 🇳🇦 Namibia. Keep it up guys!
@livingfaith91896 ай бұрын
I agree with penuel for most part of this discussion.
@moleferampedi6 ай бұрын
The GOAT is back 💯 - Cannot wait
@kush42866 ай бұрын
🐐
@setjhabamohoto6 ай бұрын
Every time you sit-down with Rutendo it's thought provoking thank you gentlemen
@nhlanhla_unleashed106 ай бұрын
I really can't wait for the who own South Africa episode
@itsChello6 ай бұрын
The purpose of conversation is to provoke thought, this one was very thought provoking 👏🏽 thank you gentlemen 🙏🏽
@township-connections63866 ай бұрын
Mentally stimulating and inspiring conversations
@alliancenikuze21686 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Rutendo and Penuel for enriching our perspectives, following you from Goma in DRC where i was born. Do both: make money and share the knowledge, we need to become competent in geopolitics. My wish is that one day, icons from english speaking countries like Rutendo could seat together with icons from french speaking countries like Kemi Seba and have a conversation that will break barriers between Africans and show the similarities of our struggles whether we speak english, french, or portuguese.
@hadison_global6 ай бұрын
Thankx for the parting ways Ru..if economic development is focused on all provinces people were not going to migrate from their province to Jhb, they were not going to migrate from their country to Rsa. Rsa needs to if they can help other countries develop and that will improve on their problems Thanks for the great episode Pen
@user-zq6sc7zs1m6 ай бұрын
this show really made me see things in both ways ...... showing love from ZIM
@eddymakua21756 ай бұрын
Pan Africanists like Rutendo make the mistake of assuming we should all think the same because we look the same. Shared experiences and culture matter more to the common folk
@faladimabaso65846 ай бұрын
Exactly. We are not all driven by Pan africanist agendas they try to push. These countries have had 60, 40, 20 to find their feet, as soon as a black South African goes through the same process to self-determine, now these people are here trying to eat from the same small table, that is why SAns have an issue. Allow us to eat in our own country.
@DefenderOfLogic6 ай бұрын
Your shared experience is that you were all conquered. You were all exploited.
@kush42866 ай бұрын
@@DefenderOfLogicpreach
@Qhawe_Jameson.6 ай бұрын
White solidarity is a powerful force because they focus on their own exclusive similarities rather than differences. Africans, especially the SADC region, have many shared similarities than differences. Are you a boer? African solidarity scares you?
@Qhawe_Jameson.6 ай бұрын
There's a massive shared culture with our neighbors as South Africans. What's wrong with African solidarity?
@ako79756 ай бұрын
Penuel, this will go down as one of your finest conversations. This is an INSTANT CLASSIC!! This conversation was riveting and captivating. Every second of the 1:38:27 seconds was definitely worth it. South Africans, Zimbabwean, and Africans at large can a lot from Rutendo. Gooooood Lord!! This guy is just encyclopaedic in his knowledge 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@MichaelMunyaka6 ай бұрын
These guys have such a great chemistry that they never start talking.
@ntobekodube20816 ай бұрын
Finally Penuell is giving this guy some challenging questions... This guy is mad....it's smart and intelligent sounding madness
@hfm_wasembo6 ай бұрын
Tell me about, just cause he says things are fact, now we should just believe that? Saying crime went down since "foreigners" came here, how? Big lies, biggest drug dealers in South Ah are not even SOUTH AFRICANS.
@ntobekodube20816 ай бұрын
@@simbarasherioga2609 agreed 100%
@Makhwekhwetha6 ай бұрын
Propagandist of note and is very dishonest. Lies about Zim helping SA during apartheid.
@bigbrasi41326 ай бұрын
@@Makhwekhwetha they actually did brother
@adjoakentshitswe43816 ай бұрын
Ur views on not having Africans as illegals resonates with the views spoken of by the Kenyan president.. this is a topic that needs a bigger discussion.. thank you for keeping it going
@suphabeats10446 ай бұрын
South Africans stayed in camps n went allowed to move as they please. We didn't build shops nor commit crimes
@lekis59756 ай бұрын
Stop acting as if South Africans are saints. There are South Africans who are living illegally in Europe and the USA as we speak.
@lekis59756 ай бұрын
Lies. The South Africans who stayed in camp were MK and APLA, other South Africans were out and about working as lecturers (Bra Keotopatse Kgotsisiele, Eskia Mphahlele), nurses, working for NGOs. Julius Nyerere of Tanzania gave the ANC land, and they built the Solomon Mahlangu college in Morogoro, Tanzania. The ANC built a primary and secondary schools, set up a farm and hospital. The IMF and World Bank (which are tools of the West), began to refuse to extend loans to the Tanzania and Zambian govts; thru deliberately tanked the economies of these 2 African countries because of their support for the anti-apartheid movement. Tanzania aside, the NIGERIANS did a lot to fight Apartheid, they lost BILLIONS of DOLLARS because they refused to trade oil with countries that were trading with Apartheid South Africa, a little school girl was so hurt by what was happening in South Africa she started saving her lunch money to see if she could send the money to South Africa to help Black people, other students joined in, when the govt heard, the President set up the Mandela Fund (every government worker was deducted 2% from their salary to put towards the fund), President Obasanjo and his ministers also donated thousands of dollars to the fund. South Africans exiles in Nigeria were allowed to attend university in Nigeria for FREE. Tom Mboya of Kenya was instrumental in helping uMam Miriam Makeba obtain diplomatic documents so that she could travel, the first country she travelled to after obtaining those papers was Kenya, after performing in Kenya she travelled to Tanzania to celebrate their independence. South African exiles were travelling the world on different African PASSPORTS. President Zuma held a Somali passport! Issuing someone with a passport is no joke, because if they go and cause a problem in another country whilst travelling on your passport it can cause a diplomatic incident. Mozambicans, Angolans, Namibians, Zimbabweans fought against the Pretoria regime, and refused them to advance their agenda in the region and domestically. The Pretoria regime retaliated by blowing up clinics,roads, railways in SADC region, by the time Apartheid fell, the different countries in the SADC region had a debt of 13 BILLION pounds, and South Africa had a debt of 11 BILLION pounds from this WAR. The ANC was made to pay back 25 BILLION POUND DEBT accrued by the Apartheid regime.
@judyatoro93876 ай бұрын
@@lekis5975😂😂😂 LOL
@lekis59756 ай бұрын
@@judyatoro9387 What is so funny?
@lozi41636 ай бұрын
@@lekis5975 Can you provide info on your claim? we hardly see our people in those countries but many Africans are creating content in those countries
@lebohangmoloi62296 ай бұрын
I almost could not finish viewing because of how hot it was getting between you guys. Very interesting indeed. Thanks guys.
@user-nu1yu7yq9h6 ай бұрын
Only a few ANC exhiles were accommodated in other African countries not half of an entire South Africa went into other African countries. The rest of us stayed in and fought for our country during Apartheid. The freedom fighters who were accommodated also respected the laws of the respective countries, unlike what's happening in SA
@simplyballing15926 ай бұрын
You never fought. The people who fought are Namibians, Angolans, Zimbabweans, Mozambicans, etc… They picked up arms. There was no civil w@r by South Africans against the Apartheid regime. People like Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo never led an armed liberation struggle against the Afrikaners… All you could do is cry, beg and plead for Apartheid to end
@Terrence6966 ай бұрын
My friend what you sad there is fact . There would be no movies lke Sarafina where black pupils sang a song tselani izinkokheli zethu zisilamulele lento eshiwo uRutendo ayilona iqiniso yonke
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
@@simplyballing1592yet today you are useless
@liemamhlaba-np6nj6 ай бұрын
Penuel please keep inviting this please don't stop to invite this guy please please please
@jabulanihlongwane27986 ай бұрын
Black pen I agree with you sir thank you for the informatic show
@mvuyisicekwana1116 ай бұрын
Rutendo is one of the great teachers of our generation. He is like a prophet of this era. He should stay strong...because he opens our minds.
@sihlemaqina85456 ай бұрын
"white Rhodesians had no intention of meeting their promises"...I feel the exact same way about white South Africans. Zero intentionality.
@morolong773310 күн бұрын
Do you know that majority white rhodesians moved to South Africa when Zimbabwe got a black gvt?
@zenzelecooper55126 ай бұрын
🔥♥️🖤💚 Wow! So many good points posed by both brothers. Big ups to The Penuel Show for providing much needed information to us Africans particularly those of us in America who want to be connected to what’s happening on the ground in Azania and southern Africa. I applaud you and the team for your consistency. May we continue to build our love for our history, our appetite for knowledge and debate, and our capacity to listen with an open mind and heart to learn, so that we can march together forward to Pan-Africanism! Africa for the Africans at home and abroad. Thank you brothers for showing us the way ✊🏾Keep lighting the 🔥
@rankz.64746 ай бұрын
Yea but be careful of Rutendo, if he's so genuine & knowledgeable, why is he not putting forth any effort to radicalize the ZIMBABWEan youth? Must Zimbabweans be content with being perpetual immigrants?
@faladimabaso65846 ай бұрын
Zim did not go to war for SA. That is a false narrative. You realize that Penuel has no facts in front of him to challenge your narrative. Yes, Zimbabwe did support the African National Congress (ANC) in its fight against the apartheid government of South Africa. Zimbabwe provided military training, weapons, and other forms of assistance to ANC guerrilla fighters during the apartheid era. Zimbabwe's involvement included hosting ANC guerrilla camps, providing military training facilities, and offering support to ANC operatives. While Zimbabwe did not directly engage in armed conflict against the apartheid government of South Africa, its support was instrumental in the ANC's struggle against apartheid. Zimbabwe is not the only country that helped black South Africans. The entire world did. In fact the SADC region plus AU were largely ignored when they tried to raise the voice until the global community put pressure on the apartheid government, dropped sanctions on them and then apartheid government yielded. We owe Zimabwe nothing. Our companies are invested in Zim and make that corrupt government millions if they really believe we owe them something.
@billtev98466 ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense! ZAPU and ANC fought in the same trenches against RF and RSA forces.
@EasyMoney-p8k16 күн бұрын
Alright then what role, if any did the Namibians play in the fight against Apartheid South Africa?
@musaredsofacafe40636 ай бұрын
Hey Pen I’m from Zim and I’m proud to say I watch you not because of Rutendo but because of your hard work and I love your work 😅
@PCcedric6 ай бұрын
Zimbabwe did not send their soldiers to South Africa during the apartheid era. Their contribution was primarily through diplomatic efforts, economic sanctions, and moral support. The focus was on advocating for change and supporting the anti-apartheid movement rather than direct military intervention.
@somagangan35504 ай бұрын
You are enlightening us Rutendo. You guys have become our role models. You are a walking encyclopaedia. Thank you very much for the knowledge you are imparting to us ignorant people🙏🏾
@ArKaneLifestyle6 ай бұрын
Interesting conversation. Polarizing at the best of times, and I could not agree with lots that was raised. I now have a view that Pan Africanism advocates turning a blind eye to what inept leaders do, and the expectation is that they should be supported just because they are black. Africa is home to not only black people, lest we forget. Interesting conversation none the less. South Africa clearly has a lure to our neighbors can't resist, and yet they feel their countries are better than us, but they would choose to stay here and not go back to their "better" countries.
@masimbamurambiwa50996 ай бұрын
Penuel... Thank you ever so much for raising the bar and concientising the African especially South African brothers and sisters a sense of Patriotism and objective analysis of their narrative. Thank you brother
@Xw96696 ай бұрын
Cape Town belongs to SA. Not the colonisers. I hope my fellow South Africans will NEVER allow it to be taken away.
@fatmatakamara18666 ай бұрын
I am from West Africa and that would be a sad day for all Africans. All of SA belongs to Africans in SA, period!!!!!!.
@gypsyrosallina5 ай бұрын
Once again your mental perambulations are like the proverbial donkey following the carrot. You seem to be conflicted between your ancestral culture and the conveniences and prosperity models of Westernized culture. You, by your simple minded reasoning must vote for one or the other. Your categorization is so generalized and common that it affords no unique appropriation of a greater truth
@gypsyrosallina5 ай бұрын
@@fatmatakamara1866Amen
@ackimbanda63346 ай бұрын
Great Convo guys, it's refreshing to see Pen push back and debate Rutendo, and not entirely allow him spill a falsehood narrative.
@tammymboweni59806 ай бұрын
Panuel just go and check whether or not did Zimbabwe went to war for South Africa
@musaxulu21686 ай бұрын
My brother I would encourage you not stop doing what you're doing. I only came across your vids towards the end of last year yet I've learnt a lot from you, thanks to Penuel for identifying the intelligence in you and allow you to share with us. Big up guys
@siphiwomanana86666 ай бұрын
Lol,why is this guy not in Zimbabwe changing lives? If his ideas work, surely the people of Zimbabwe will benefit from him
@MenelikAlkebulan6 ай бұрын
It’s just a conversation sharing ideas. If all ideas were dismissed in the way you are then the world will be a worse off. Elon Musk a South African is there in American making America successful. Imagine if Americans had said go back to South African and launch your rockets from there
@christobelthipe86276 ай бұрын
@africantravellor8126 he is half South African and half Canadian. But what exactly is this Zimbabwean going to launch in South Africa, which will make a difference to South Africans lives other than wanting to hear the sound of his voice. You surely can't compare Elon with this Chatalan from across Limpopo.
@siphiwomanana86666 ай бұрын
@@MenelikAlkebulan Elon didn't tell Americans what they must do,he invented things that improved their lives
@TheSolomzi6 ай бұрын
Rutendo on the topic 'Zimbabwe's fight for RSA'❤🔥. Teach my Brother, Teach! (emphasis on Brother)! Great one Penuel and the team, Big ups🙌
@ntshizasmax38276 ай бұрын
Gayton was on this platform, where he explicitly stated that he does not agree with Rob Hersorv on the independent cape. I'm disappointed with Rutendo for being ignorant on this point, also he is not sharing that all sadec countries have a foreign policy and uses boarders to protect themselves. So he has double standards 🤔
@hiltonpalison39076 ай бұрын
He don't agree but what's he going to do to stop it from happening?
@PowerStation5506 ай бұрын
Penuel, you don't have a lot of guests that hit the hot spots, so far it's Maponga, Thembekwayo and this man Rutendo. Always great to see this man.
@Kaola7306 ай бұрын
Haven't watched this show in a while but I'm not planning on missing this one
@Etunasheya5 ай бұрын
I love listening to these two brothers, and their disagreements. so much important information
@enockmazanhi65776 ай бұрын
Pen you don't press him enough on Zim issues
@dineokenosi4035 ай бұрын
I like this Rutendo guy intellectual capacity; the way he articulates facts hits me through and through! Penuel, you are doing great Myman as well because you bring people of sound background to debate issues that matters and you also demonstrate great understanding
@lubabaloklaas6 ай бұрын
A lot of food for thought here however what rutendo needs to understand is that on any level the average South African owes nothing to a Zimbabwean and visa versa. South africa seems to be the only country in Africa where it's citizens complaints are constantly waterd down. There are multiple Geopolitical reasons as to why even on the lowest levels black people globally should be working together or against each other, let's not conflate the issue by adding emotional sentiments.
@TshuTshi96426 ай бұрын
My brothers: you always make sense. One said, "educating others is the only way to immortality".
@politicssouthafrica35916 ай бұрын
@Penuel I believe you should go all out debating this guy; I understand you decide to maintain peace and permit him to push his propaganda but he's misleading the majority through your platform.
@mbulelotshofela38896 ай бұрын
I love the way Rutendo answers. He's teaching and demonstrating his stand point. Thanks.
@KamCoder6 ай бұрын
Today's convo was really tough and tense, but before I state my two cents of advice I thank you Penuel The Black Pen for always trying your best to bring us fire talks, and I also thank Mr Matinyarare for making time to come share with us the political side of his view as well. But this today I'm going to set the record straight so that going forth in the future conversation between SA and Zimbabwe politics we do not get confused further. From my understanding, South Africa was not liberated by the exiled ANC. And I am deeply saddened when our guest aims at talking especially to the people who make laws other than the ordinary citizen of SA because this country was liberated by ordinary Citizens. Ofcourse, there were parties who went into exile and trained to come back oneday and save SA from colonies but they never came back to fight, and I will be corrected if I'm wrong here. The ordinary Citizens made sure the country was ungovernable till the colonizers went out to seek help from those who were in exile to come back and talk peace with the Citizens of SA. I for one witnessed my uncles got war with no guns or ammunition but using the self known strategy to destabilize the Apartheid regime soldiers. What won SAs liberty was the action of majority. It was the Spirit of amabutho that was always within the memory of our blood that got the regime realizing that their ship was going down no matter how armed they were. It came to a point where the people refused any more to be oppressed in such a manner that was. So when our guest is trying to change the minds of the ANC instead of reaching the people who fought for liberty, I get no more words to offer. But the fact is that this Country 's liberty was fought and won by it's people. That is why we all get disappointed when Zimbabweans run to SA in numbers. They too fought for liberation but went wrong by chasing all white people of Zimbabwe out of the country so that they could keep their Land for themselves. I have never heard of our guest mentioning that point since he has been debating this issue even when he was one on one with Bra Ike Khumalo. That is what brought Zimbabwean sanctions and If I am wrong, I will stand to be corrected.
@KamCoder6 ай бұрын
Even when some will deem Rainbow Nation as a scam, it is a beautiful idea and all Africans adore it and come to SA to have a share of its produce. We are still open to foreign investment and still attract some investors. We just need to learn more about the economy and turn things around to also support the marginalized.
@DefenderOfLogic6 ай бұрын
@@KamCoder "We are still open to foreign investment and still attract some investors." Why is that Africans are so damn dependent on foreign investment? Can you people not do for self? WTF?! Stop with this dependency.
@KamCoder6 ай бұрын
It is as the same as wanting people to follow the thought that white people are racist without wanting to learn from their strategies which have been working throughout. South Africa wouldn't have survived if we did what Zimbabwe did to the white community in 1994 or any year after that. Now they have no choice but to come in SA to learn and work for white business. I can say nothing more than what I've said.
@sibusisokhoza8716 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏.......Extremely powerful discussion. Thank U Pen & Team and Rutendo.✊✊✊ I can't wait for the next discussion. Pen & Team, can we have the following Guests Mr. Madondo, Vusi, Rutendo, Afri-forum member and Gareth Cliff / Kim Heller to discuss (not debate) the future of South Africa, SADEC & Africa - please???
@samorankente91616 ай бұрын
Hebana this guy, hemani what ever we owe Zimbabwe we paid it in tenfolds as millions of Zimbabweans have been in our country from 1994. And I tell u if shit hits the fan in SA, Zimbabweans will be the 1st ones to leave.
@ayakhasokabo88166 ай бұрын
😂I have the same thought, basically all these African foreigners.
@Mank_Mindset6 ай бұрын
Thank you guys for all the effort you have put to make this awesome show, guest and host in particular ✨💯💚👌🏿
@martinzondi44756 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣... "Is paying 10 thao mavuso after chowing empowering?" This level of uncensorship deserves respect...
@roselyndete90076 ай бұрын
Powerful and truthful presentation. Thank you guys.
@leadaheadleadahead21876 ай бұрын
C’mon, a nice presentation does not equate to truth. One has to look deeper into what he says. I’m Zimbabwean who has naturalised in the best country in the world 🇳🇦
@Truthseeker-iz3dj5 ай бұрын
He is a great communicator but he talks a load of BS.
@user-qd1ti7fz3y6 ай бұрын
In summary EFF is correct to say let’s get all of Africa integrated starting with SADEC region so that we all prosper and consolidate our strength against our common enemy. Ponder over that!
@gypsyrosallina5 ай бұрын
And who is your common enemy?
@gypsyrosallina5 ай бұрын
Don't for a minute believe that the EFF is not as corrupt, self-interested, malicious, self-serving, misanthropic and racist as any systemic culture that has historically preceded it or concurrently exists with it.
@user-qd1ti7fz3y5 ай бұрын
The fact that you don’t know clearly means it’s none of your business. Here’s some free advice: FOCUS on your own enemy and stay away from enemies of other people. I don’t care who is your friend or your enemy because I’m focused on what concerns me, you can learn a lot from that if you so wish!
@mikega12526 ай бұрын
I love ❤️ Rutendo and would love for him to continue representing Africa. He is very captivating when he speaks. He expresses him self in a way that the majority of our people would understand the problems we are facing.
@math970036 ай бұрын
Russian is at war and the most sanction country in the world yet it has a growing economy and gave Zimbabwe free grain .Zimbabweans and Rutendo Matinyarare should learn to take the responsibility.
@n.m62496 ай бұрын
You are really dumb to compare Zimbabwe to Russia, have you seen Russian military, Russia has its own banking system, internet, they do their own scientific research. That's why sanctions don't shake them as much. Russia immediately turned to new markets in China and India for its oil. You cannot seriously compare Zimbabwe to Russia
@simplyballing15926 ай бұрын
The Russian economy is far bigger than the Zimbabwean economy. Countries don’t have the same economic and military power. This 1 size fits all mentality doesn’t make sense
@lozi41636 ай бұрын
@@simplyballing1592 tell me what stopped Zim to do business with the BRICS countries, they are only sanctioned by the west
@math970036 ай бұрын
@@simplyballing1592 The point is russia is not making excuses and blaming sanctions ,it is moving ahead despite being sanctioned
@simplyballing15926 ай бұрын
@003 So is Zimbabwe even with the Western sabotage and the country's limitations.
@ogechiogan-ekandem27766 ай бұрын
Dear Rutendo Matinyarare, Well done. 'Watching from West Africa. 'Discovered your contributions one year ago, and intend to continue! 2. Your contributions remain effective, informed, inspiring, relevant, timely and therefore, born to win! 2. Thanks for contributing to revive your country from Western misinformation wars! 3. We wish you well. 4. It appears you were in Addis-Abeba during the last Summit of the African Union. Please do a programme on that. 5. Incidentally, is it true that White imperialist systems pay the bills at the AU?!!! 6. Who subsidises other AU institutions? 7. Why do AU summits look like ordinary markets? The number of foreign politicians participating is overwhelming! 8. Does the Council of Europe, ASEAN or other such bodies invite African Politicians/Ambassadors to flood its Summits? Keep up the good work Rutendo.
@user-nl3wj5iv3z2 ай бұрын
Spreading love and unity through out Africa, from Zambia.❤
@lebohangmokoena71436 ай бұрын
This person is calm and can answer any questions correctly. I have learned a lot from them
@alfredchandinga40946 ай бұрын
Well done, Brothermen. It is always great listening to both of you. Brother Rutendo, keep on keeping on. I have great respect for you and the depth of your knowledge!!
@MandlaMakhombothi-xl1hp6 ай бұрын
Rutendo is definitely one of the great orators of Pan-Africanism in Africa today. Ofcourse I vary on some of the things he and ideologies he advocates, but generally he's a great orator and a great mind. Continue brother, speak, one day and sooner than we think Africans will unite and break the chains of slavery on our people.