the People vs George Lucas (2010)

[@yveltalpoderoso1303]

Mark Hamill actually found offensive that they Invite him to trash George

[@orlandofurioso7329]

He and Ford are awesome when it comes to whiny fans

[@SpFlash1523]

As he should. He considers George to be family.

[@Kasierofhate-ga5]

Based mark

[@Doomzdayxx]

Hamil and Ford are both jerkoffs.

[@solidbeard8324]

I think they just ask his thoughts about George and he got that impression.

[@rogueguardian]

You drove him away and now expect him to come back That's quite poetic in a way. "Hey George we know we trashed your movies for over a decade but can you come back now I hate the new stuff"

[@lukespillman1313]

I think George is happy with his retirement, and has no plans on returning. And besides, he’s in his twilight years. Who knows how long he has left to live. So I say let him live the rest of his life with his family.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@lukespillman1313he is. He was always planning to step down, it the fans that convinced him it was best to sell to Disney, rather that pass it on to someone in the company

[@wacopaco2099]

These people ruined more lives than George ever could.

[@HoneycuttVideos]

comparing George making the special editions to being a holocaust denier was a bit much, in my opinion.

[@RogerFusselman]

That was meant more as an off-the-cuff metaphor than a serious indictment. I had no sense of moral equivalency in the remark.

[@diegorivas1991]

In a sick way, shows you how obsessive Star Wars fans are with their fandom, even more so when in this case the original trilogy films are the core and foundation of everything they love about the franchise. Other than the holocaust comparission, the other ultimate sick and bad extreme is "George Lucas raped our childhood" claim. Dude, out of the millions of passionate Star Wars fans in the world I bet that several thousands of them suffered of being sexually raped or abused at some point in their lives and they won't dare to compare at all the pain and trauma caused from it to whatever disgust that the Special Edition changes made them felt, even more so if they happened to be victims of it at their childhood.

[@neopatriot7716]

No!? Grown Gen X men crying about movies? They would never.

[@HarbingerofHyol940]

Agreed

[@JessicaChastainFan]

Not really. It was spot on.

[@RayOrly-fs3gr]

Wow, some people are really unable to grow up. I for one genuinely enjoyed the prequels. And profoundly despise people who would attack a 10 year old kid so heartlessly

[@GeorgeWashington283]

Shut up

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@@GeorgeWashington283 It hurts getting a taste of your own medicine, huh?

[@adamcade604]

Everybody in this documentary talks about their hatred for jar jar and neither do they acknowledge the fact that they almost made the motion capture actor Ahmed Best commit suicide nor they even mention how badly they treated jake Lloyd, even though he was just a kid! Shame on those so called "fans"!

[@tobiasgregori3842]

Thats not true. Adults didnt bully lloyd. Kids at his school did making lightsaber noises.

[@adamcade604]

​@@tobiasgregori3842that still doesn't change the fact that he was bullied to death

[@BlueDragonCody]

THIS. FUCKING THIS. ​@@adamcade604

[@silverprimus321boi9]

That's actually a complicated thing. While there was a lot of fan backlash against them, most of this stuff was actually shit drummed up by the media. There were dozens of news articles and major News companies dogpiling jar jar binks and young anakin, and then just putting the blame on the SW fanbase.

[@mscapeh4451]

and they ruined hayden and jake floyd s life

[@PhazerSC]

It's so weird watching this in the Disney SW era, all those fans pleading with George to re-release the original trilogy in its original format.

[@broncojuan]

They were right... still are. Not all the changes are bad, but what is, is terrible. Han Shooting, Ghost Anakin, Jedi Rocks. And I would trade everything good to erase everything bad.

[@Attmay]

I’ll gladly sit through “Yub Nub” over a screed against the male sex.

[@russianoverkill3715]

Not to worry, 4k77 and other projects like this can save you from horrible CGI.

[@aishaalamoudi599]

Disney made 5 SW films, 4 are fantastic, Rise of Skywalker sucked; one made over 2 bil, one 1.3 and two 1.1bil that's an incredible score board; I don't get the hate. All their shows are solid except Obi Wan. Andor competes with HBO's best, that's unheard of in SW or Sci-fi period.

[@patrickleahy7854]

It’s just history repeating itself. Fans back then were begging for the og cuts. Fans now are begging for the sequels to be erased from canon. The thing is though, the fans who want the OG cuts are right. It’s basic film preservation. Not releasing them is almost like erasing history. It’s fine to have new cuts of movies (Ridley Scott has like five different cuts of Blade Runner, and most people like his newest one the best!) but to forbid the public from seeing an original work of art that inspired fans for twenty years (that’s long enough for a Star Wars fan from ‘77 to have a kid and raise them on the original cuts too) is borderline dystopian.

[@crona1794]

Star Wars fans originated the: "You ruined my childhood" mentality

[@George-de6hd]

The kind of fans like the ones they are showing in this movie are the ones that really ruined it …….the gatekeeper fans that have this sense of entitlement and think they own Star Wars and throw temper tantrums when the story didn’t go the way they thought it should

[@RiverOfBlacklights]

No, the vast majority of those aren't true fans. They're casual Prequel haters masquerading as "true fans". Most only like the original trilogy and even then, just one film in the original trilogy - Ep. 5 -TESB. They only like[d] small bits and pieces of the entire STAR WARS universe. They treat[ed] STAR WARS like a salad bar, cherry picking only the small bits they like and ignoring/discarding all the rest. So they all banded together and followed people like the ones who made this film and other STAR WARS know-nothing casuals who had a loud criticizing "voice" on public platforms like KZbin _[looking at you RedLetterMedia, Collider, John Campea etc. etc.]_ and they began the whole "Let's get rid of Lucas!" chant/mantra and were the ones who rolled out the red carpet to Di$ney, welcoming them with open arms. They were told long before that getting rid of Lucas and bullying him into selling off his creations to outsiders was going to be a monumental mistake but, they didn't listen. They just got drunk on the full blown hype they created for "Di$ney Wars" and now, they're the ones crying about how bad STAR WARS has become in such a short time... All while *NEVER* admitting _[but still silently realizing]_ that *THEY,* not the *_TRUE_* fans who stood by Lucas _[despite his flaws and failures with the Prequels],_ were and still are the *ONLY* ones responsible for the demise and death of STAR WARS...

[@crispybacon9917]

I don't mind if you truly believe he ruined start wars but don't be an arse about it

[@George-de6hd]

I like the “fans” that bitch and complain and act like he’s the Antichrist for making edits and cuts to his movies but then they take his movies and make edits and cuts to them 😂😂😂

[@Attmay]

Some of us had other interests as children.

[@thepurgatorian1613]

I'm younger than most of these fans, yet I act more maturely than them is really sad. Honestly, these people are the reason why Star Wars is where it is now.

[@mscapeh4451]

disney to, like mace said he should never have sold it, plus iger admits in a diary book how he manipulated lucas to sell company

[@TVAvnger]

This is the worst example of toxic Star Wars fan boys. These so-called fans have actually made money by bashing, lying, stating wrong information, and generally trashing the creator of the very saga they supposedly love. The guys who made this POS are pathetic and aren't worthy of taking Lucas' trash out.

[@snknero9935]

Exactly right they even worst than Sonic fandom.

[@TrenchMan93]

“NO ITS NOT JUST A MOVIE!” Yes…it is.

[@AndrewChapman]

Ikr

[@snakes3425]

To be honest, after seeing this documentary I can't blame Lucas for selling Star Wars to Disney if this was the way "true fans" were treating him and those involved in the Prequels, and as a lifelong fan of Star Wars I'm ashamed that these "true fans" claim to represent all of us, and demand we support them even when we can see they're in the wrong.

[@lukespillman1313]

“Why would I make anymore when everyone yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”- George Lucas

[@thekidfromiowa]

There's more salt in this documentary than all the ocean

[@wizardgaming6759]

@@ishguy524 yep and one of those actors Ahmed Best almost attempted suicide.

[@white-dragon4424]

@@wizardgaming6759 He means the Disney films.

[@Owen-ub3fv]

They weren't true fans. Just extremely indecent manchildren who were mentally disturbed/insane. I hate their guts. They are the sort of people that ruin star wars for me.

[@fives5555arc]

These people hated on George so hard that he ended up selling Star Wars to Disney. Now these same people are now wanting him back, and are accepting the prequels. They are so annoying. I get that change can be scary, but they are overreacting like babies.

[@johnny.V03]

George should’ve never sold Star Wars to Disney period.

[@animationunlimited2958]

Fans to George Lucas after whining about Disney's star wars: You turned Star Wars against me! George Lucas: You have done that yourself.

[@someguy3167]

@@johnny.V03 Why? He didn't want to deal with it cuz yall are autistic man babies and so he stopped dealing with it. "Period"

[@jordandwiggins1026]

@@animationunlimited2958Accurate

[@broncojuan]

No we are not. We have walked away from the franchise. 20 years of crap is quite enough. George selling was the only thing that brought us back. Unfortunately Disney couldn't do much better, but at least they gave us Rouge One.

[@Br1ckabrac]

Its funny how even in a hit piece on George Lucas, they point out how he was not only not against fan edits, rather he was very supportive of fan edits and fan content. Like, yeah, he was in control of the direction the property went, but he always let the fans do what they wanted with it. And they still trashed him so much he felt the need to sell it and stop making films for the public.

[@Br1ckabrac]

This is especially funny, because he sold the property to Disney. Who has not been so accommodating to fan edits and content

[@obscure.reference]

@@Br1ckabrac he provided what the people demanded

[@vgrepairs]

@@Br1ckabrac Also to support your point all fan edits were free to post and watch here on youtube in abundance until Disney bought star wars. Amazing. GL had our backs this whole time. He never sued the guys that made and illegally sold blurays of the despecialized edition either.

[@HieMan-g1n]

It's not a hit piece. Blind fanboyism just doesn't let you realize what the movie is about.

[@broncojuan]

How is this a hit piece? It was fully even handed. They presented two sides of an argument.

[@TajimaMunenori]

Notice that none of these people are children.

[@mariogiresi6792]

😂

[@adamcade604]

I 've met 10 year olds that are more mature than these "fans"

[@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle]

"The man who created it, or the fans who live by it?" From that statement alone, you can tell the people involved in this "documentary" have massive attitude and entitlement problems.

[@southj89]

They have a massive hole in their lives if they have elevated some movies to an almost religious significance

[@TheRealAbraxas]

You can see such hubris and entitlement all over the place these days from fans, its only gotten worse.

[@babygorilla4233]

My guy this is a comedy documentary. What you're describing was a widely held aditide that a lot of people held about Star wars. This documentary is clearly mocking the aditide of Lucas films and the fans 🤯 it's all cringe and weird, that's the point this happened.

[@ShinJack_]

NISHIJOU TAKUMI FROM THE HIT VN CHAOS HEAD??!!

[@MegaFeeso]

It’s so nice to read this comment section and see how the modern fan base has re-evaluated this.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Most of the ‘modern fan base’ were all children who grew up with them or weren't even born and had never seen the original trilogy.

[@jeremy4375]

Fans: "Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away..." Lucas: "stfu"

[@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle]

@@Lobsterwithinternet I was born in 2003 and have seen the OT, probably at least a dozen times. Same also goes for the PT.

[@HieMan-g1n]

Modern fanboys too dumb to understand the documentary and reacting like children? Yes. The prequels still suck as movies but that wasn't the point of the documentary.

[@Attmay]

Growing up is when you realize that “Leia Organa” really is a double entendre.

[@AdamSmith75th]

To be honest, I came away from this firmly on the side of George Lucas. I understand that fans are passionate and have deep, deep care and affection for StarWars. But those toxic, petty, obnoxious fans went way too far with their criticism and personal attacks towards the actors and George himself.

[@somebodysthrowaway]

Only personal attack is from calling these fans as a whole. "Petty, toxic, and obnoxious."

[@AdamSmith75th]

@@somebodysthrowaway Interesting. Ignoring your other point, how is my comment a personal attack if it’s towards a collective group? It’s also on a public forum… which is about as un-personal as it gets

[@okb0ss336]

@@AdamSmith75th im sorry this interaction is so hilarious to me lol. this is the best counterargument a lucas hater can come up with

[@jamesneese7663]

Everyone involved in this hit piece ball of toxicity - ESPECIALLY SIMON #$@$ PEGG - owes Mr Lucas and EVERYONE involved with the prequels full apologies. It is doubly ironic that this was considered perfectly okay to make over a decade ago, but if any critique (let alone real "hate") of Kathleen Kennedy is denounced and dismissed entirely as "misogyny". Amazing how things have turned around in 10+ years....!

[@AdamSmith75th]

@@ascend44 I cried a river over you

[@riftshredder5438]

This is the reason why Star Wars is where its at right now

[@realityshifter3399]

That doesn't make any sense considering that George Lucas is no longer involved with Star Wars.

[@zachzilla26]

@@realityshifter3399Which is why it’s where it’s at lmao

[@realityshifter3399]

@@zachzilla26 Did you not watch the doc at all?

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@realityshifter3399 they mostly whine with no objectivity

[@George-de6hd]

The fans bitch and moan he made edits to his movies then take his movies and make edits n cuts to them 😂😂

[@oriongear2499]

I love the OT & PT, but, my god, the bad side of the fandom makes me not want to chat with other SW fans sometimes.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

I don't chat with them, i prefer talking to people who like Star Wars or explain it to people who are new.

[@gandalflotr2898]

Those fanbases remind me a religious zealots

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Maybe you should rather than pretend we're all monsters.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Same with DBZ fans

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@Lobsterwithinternet judging by your comments i don't think it will be that hard

[@ignotaskatkus7685]

Fans: these amazing toys and merchandise made our childhoods and shaped us as a human beings. Also Fans: yeah, George is a soul-less corporate overlord, he is also evil for making these toys and merchandise and making millions from it. Its perfectly understandable if you don't like George or Prequels, but these people are schizophrenics.

[@FlorisDVijfde]

Nothing of the sort. It's not only explained in the documentary, there's actually an animation showing it, the little kid trapped in the Death Star. Lucas became captain of an industry he once despised.

[@SpFlash1523]

​​@@FlorisDVijfde George said he hates Hollywood. He never said he hated being a businessman. He has had the merchandise rights since Star Wars first became popular.

[@FlorisDVijfde]

@@SpFlash1523 The important nuance I think is that the frustration for creatives because the suits that have to pay for them don't understand film. But Lucas found one that did believe, Gary Kurtz. I've seen Kurtz signing autographs at cons so it seems he hasn't done all that well financially but boy do we owe this guy for having that wonderful part of our childhood!

[@sam9671]

@@FlorisDVijfde Gary Kurtz was George's creative producer for american graffiti, a new hope and empire. He wasn't like a studio executive. btw sorry to break to you, he died in 2018. rip gary kurtz

[@Attmay]

They’ve been inundated with anti-capitalist propaganda by the same generation that gave us this movie franchise. If you can think of a better way to build a sense of entitlement, we’d have seen it already.

[@MT-or7lv]

Saw it in 1977 and liked it a lot and moved on with my life. These adult man babies are insane. George didn't ruin your life, you did. Grow up.

[@lukespillman1313]

I doubt those man babies will ever grow up. I mean, there’s a reason why I chose to stay away from the Star Wars fandom.

[@marioboi323]

Not everyone’s like this. While I don’t mind the special editions, they can be a bit much. The despecialized editions would be nice to have.

[@brandonsmith7827]

I’ve honestly been dreading watching this piece of Star Wars media. The level of toxicity and cringyness that comes from this fandom honestly makes me ashamed sometimes to be apart of it myself 😐 thank you for the great stories George.

[@AndrewChapman]

I often feel ashamed to be a fan too. While I still feel some Special Edition changes were unnecessary (like for instance a CGI rock added in front of R2-D2 when he's hiding from sand people), I've honestly gotten used to the changes. And though I don't love the prequels or sequels as much as the original trilogy, I still don't mind them.

[@thekidfromiowa]

George Lucas is out of the picture and is no longer the whipping boy. Kathleen Kennedy could resign and whoever her successor is would then be blamed for everything wrong with the franchise. Fandoms need a scapegoat. First it's Braga who ruined the Trek franchise and now Kurtzman is to blame.

[@tweso1499]

@@thekidfromiowa Exactly. Hell either Dave Filoni and/or Jon Favreau could take over and would still be blamed for what’s wrong for Star Wars if something is released and the fans reacted negatively towards it. It’s always amazing(ly mind blowing) how whenever a Marvel film/show comes out and it receives a negative reaction, they blame Marvel. If a Lucasfilm film/show is released and it receives a negative response, then they blame “Disney”. Hell Disney doesn’t CREATE them [bUt I cAn BlAmE dIsNeY sInCe ThEy OwN sTaR wArS]

[@lukespillman1313]

@@tweso1499 There probably hating on Jon and Dave right now for the third season of The Mandalorian. Oh, and get this. Some seriously deranged sociopath tweeted that he wanted a mass shooting to happen at a Star Wars celebration. I’m not even kidding. Don’t worry, the shooting never happened, and that lunatic’s Twitter account got deleted. I can’t believe that the fandom has come to that. But then again, we live in a world where someone can get death threats for saying that they enjoyed The Last Jedi.

[@dtxspeaks268]

​@@tweso1499in all fairness, Disney does dictate how products sre gonna be, and it's no coincidence that the Sequels, a lot of the post 2012 MCU films, and Incredibles 2 were too lighthearted and felt very different when compared to their predecessors that didnt have Disney's interference. So while fandoms are indeed toxic and can't make up their mind on who to blame, let's not act post 2010 Disney isn't screwing over beloved franchises and throwing away directors' visions and stories in favor of simplistic stories and cringey quip and forced meme humor.

[@sofaking1627]

I'm just glad Mark didn't get suckered into doing interviews for this documentary.

[@SpFlash1523]

Mark knew even back then that they were hating on George because of the prequels, and he just wasn't going to stand with that for obvious reasons. Also, Mark actually liked the prequels and their originality.

[@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle]

@@SpFlash1523 And he also defended Jake Lloyd.

[@HieMan-g1n]

Why? It's a brilliant documentary that looks at a real phenomenon.

[@sofaking1627]

You gotta be dumb to be asking why bro

[@broncojuan]

​@@SpFlash1523 Did you watch it? It's pretty even handed. There are just as many people calling out whiny fans as there are whiny fans. And many George Lucas defenders.

[@franciscofunari2343]

No one should get that much hate for doing a movie, not even Kathlen Kennedy. Regardless of how you feel about the prequels you should remember who created star wars in the first place

[@jongon0848]

Exactly! I'm not gonna act like I love every single Star Wars film, because I don't. I hated Attack of the Clones, but that doesn't mean I will ever hold that against George Lucas. I'm still eternally grateful to him for creating this universe

[@glovesofkosai5639]

Kk deserves all the disdain capable of being thrown at her.

[@gamestation2690]

@@glovesofkosai5639 No, she doesn't.

[@glovesofkosai5639]

@gamestation2690 she does. And so do any shills who support her. Single handedly ruined the biggest IP on the planet. And people like you applaud her?? For what? There isn't a single redeeming aspect of her reign over Lucasfilm.

[@gamestation2690]

@@glovesofkosai5639 You're just looking for a scapegoat, that's all.

[@erickvoshel1]

This documentary is really about the rise of the toxic fan culture we now live in & how it's infected everything.

[@kindequation_Arts]

You got that right, the sense of entitlement from these so-called fans is ridiculous, it’s no wonder why they drove George Lucas away.

[@djwho75]

All the fandoms now suck,sadly.

[@astrahcat1212]

Final Fantasy 7 fan base got me to stop liking it as much

[@kindequation_Arts]

@@astrahcat1212 Don’t stop enjoying things you like, if you like the games and minding your own business there just a bunch of loud group that have nothing to with their lives and just wanna scream. Do you man 👍🏾

[@Max25670]

It's bad social media wasn't a thing yet to call these guys lame and cringy.

[@chriskrahn]

Im glad this exists as it shows how cringe and narcissistic the fan base can be. Love the prequels

[@CLARKE176]

Sadly you get this toxicity in all fandoms, you can like or dislike something fair enough. But there are those who take it to the extreme and can treat the creators, cast and crews unfairly.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Facts. But none as toxic as the prequel haters. Only haterbase that comes close is he dragonball gt haters.

[@BigSeaMonsterThing]

Exactly, one time when I said I love the Sequel Trilogy, someone called me an average 10-year-old and another person said that I had terrible taste. If others really can’t handle me liking movies then they have problems.

[@bradhorowitz2765]

Sorry jaws that you got that treatment. Look I hate the sequel trilogy, it’s a trilogy that dosnt say anything, tries to pander to some outdated stereotype type of millennials but fails even at that; its the only trilogy that actively cut John Williams’s music at the last minute, it’s a trilogy that makes me not want to revisit Star Wars. But it has some fun moments. And while perhaps last of the Jedi and ris elf skywalker are among some of the worst sci fi films-you can watch them and be entertained if you don’t care too much. Although personally for me rise of skywalker prob is a film i can say “yeah I think nj abams and his team are prob a bit sexist, racist and homophobic”

[@ANT96-x8d]

It’s technically Lucas’ own fault for taking away the original unaltered version of the classic trilogy.

[@vassilyvodka2638]

@@BigSeaMonsterThing Jesus. I mean I personally don't like them, but you shouldn't get treated with hate, because you enjoy them. This is one of the reason why I left the fandom for good.

[@milaanna444]

Now I understand why people say Star Wars has one of the worst fanbases of all time.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Sometimes i wish Star Wars ended for good, as a Metal Gear fan i noticed fandoms become better when the franchise is dead

[@gandalflotr2898]

I agree those fanbases act like religious zealots

[@dtxspeaks268]

​@@orlandofurioso7329ive notoced it with Need for Speed, Call of Duty etc too. But some things with toxic fans will unfortunately never end - Spiderman is Marvel's best selling character, Batman is DC's best selling character and Hip Hop/Rap music is one of the most popular music genres, yet all 3 have toxic fans that'll never go away because said properties will never end.

[@Attmay]

Rap is a psyop.

[@solidbeard8324]

@@dtxspeaks268 Most franchises have their fair share of toxic fans.

[@tadeusztadek6816]

90 minutes movie about adult mens crying over movie saga, created specially for kids. Crying over the entire trilogy, that have similar quality to ANH and ROTS, and crying over one fucking one second scene in ANH with Han. SW fans are something special. They are 40 years old virgins, that's for sure.

[@stuartmiller4363]

Star wars is for anyone?

[@tadeusztadek6816]

@@stuartmiller4363 Ofc is for everyone, but kids are main recipient of those movies. SW is for kids, it was in 1983, in 1999. Only Disney gave us SW for the elderly, in the form of Andor.

[@korvo3427]

Being passionate about something makes you a virgin lol. Touch some grass, weirdo.

[@FernandoL-d6g]

​@@korvo3427you feel identified lol

[@AndreRay1127]

I wholeheartedly love Star Wars, but, holy shit, the level of cringe is over 9000!

[@2000sKidd]

Yeah what the hell am I doing watching this😂

[@jamesneese7663]

@@2000sKidd you are watching what REAL "toxic fandom" was like back in the day, and even better it was supported by countless fans and approved of by media and twitter mobs. The kind of hate that made mr Lucas sell SW. the kind of hate that made Mr Best want to kill himself. The kind of hate that made Mr Christensen give up acting for a long time. And few came to their defense meanwhile when one of the sequel actress quits twitter, media acts as if someone tried to physically kill ms Kelly Marie Trans.

[@ThelronFjord]

Saying "over 9000" is cringier. That shit was funny for a week back in 2006.

[@SK438]

​@@ThelronFjord Does it really bother you that much? What, were you born in 2006?

[@dtxspeaks268]

​@@ThelronFjordso an iconic DBZ meme is cringier than the insanity past 20:00? I have a feeling youre projecting your own insecurities

[@tamashorvath224]

This was eyeopening. The fandom didn't became worse over time. 10 plus years and its stuck in a lop of self entitlement, nitpicking and crying over ,,destroyed" childhood.

[@bradhorowitz2765]

Exactly. I mean yes jj abrams, George Lucas, Kennedy, rian Johnson and so many others deserve blame in some regards for Star wars’ decline in quality, FANS still bought the merchandise. As Red letter media remarked “it’s a cycle where adults dress up in kids costumes, go to conventions, watch a minute trailer, speculate and criticize the movies trailer, see the actual movie, hate it and the. PAY to see the next movie” even when you know it isn’t going to get better. So here we may ask, is it really the fans that’s at fault? Well yes.

[@ANT96-x8d]

It’s technically Lucas’ own fault for taking away the original unaltered version of the classic trilogy. Spielberg released both versions of ET on Blue-ray. So why not the same with Star Wars 4,5, and 6?

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

.. You should stick to a loop of practicing.. ENGLISH. .. Before trying to ''Sound'' smart in front of lots of people..

[@George-de6hd]

The old fans didn’t like the prequel and the kids that grew up with the prequels didn’t like the sequels and in 15 - 20 years the sequel fans will be bitch about whatever Star Wars is by then lol and on and on it will go ……it’s a generation thing lol

[@tamashorvath224]

@@George-de6hd Can't agree more.

[@_The1whoknocks]

I love how they add title and name cards to each of the people to give the illusion that they are people with opinions of real importance 😂

[@zackwalker1721]

My favorite one is about 50 minutes in when Some Teenager turns up on a web cam and he's described as a "KZbin partner in training" For those of you too young to remember the state of KZbin at the time, that essentially means that he was a KZbinr who was too obscure to even be allowed to put adds on his videos. Not hating on him for doing his thing. More power to him. his "credential" is just funny.

[@Raygo.]

For real... I mean Francis Ford Coppola and Neil Gaiman? Nobodies who never did anything!

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@@Raygo.The footage of Francis Ford Coppola is archived footage for what it's worth. He may not fully understand Star Wars as George has said a couple of times but he'd never outright trash on George.

[@dtxspeaks268]

​@@zackwalker1721KZbin ads weren't even a thing in 2008-2010😂. January 2011 was when ads started popping up, as i really very clearly seeing ads for the Green Hornet movie on every video.

[@zackwalker1721]

@@dtxspeaks268got to push back at least a bit on that one. KZbin ads were far less of a thing, but I do recall that they still existed (even if not primarily as pre roll ads. Part of the reason why you don't remember ads as distinctly at that time was because 'KZbin Partners' were the only ones who were able to monetize their videos, and they wouldn't just let anyone become a KZbin partner at that point. Don't ask me why they didn't want everyone monetizing their videos cause I can't see why not either. For whatever reason they only wanted to let people with large audiences (by the standards of that time) to be 'partners' and make money, which is why the young guy's status as 'partner in training' is so funny to me though again all respect to the kid for doing his thing (I call him a kid as though he's not like 30 at this point)

[@Wojti2000Zapasowe]

This was the hardest watch for me in a long time, it's literally over an hour of entitled neckbeard whining. No wonder Lucas stepped back from Star Wars and sold it, I feel so sorry for him.

[@hassanelmehadir5274]

@Wotji2000Zapasowe And today some toxic fans are going to experience this with the directors and actors of the Star Wars films and series under Disney, it's a cycle that repeats itself

[@natalieportmanfan1817]

This documentary is crap and only lets the haters have their say.

[@purpurowy7674]

O Kurde! Ty tutaj Wojti ?!

[@snakes3425]

All I can say to these fanboys is this: Did you fork out millions of your own dollars to fund the movies? Did you nearly give yourself a heart attack because everything that could go wrong went wrong during production? Did you bake under the hot Tunisian sun trying to film the Tatooine Scenes? No? Because given how he, Ahmed and Jake were treated, I'm surprised Lucas didn't sell Star Wars earlier

[@bhendri31]

Busting your ass doesn't make you immune to criticism...

[@tonydaza8504]

He could have taken a loan from a friend such as Spielberg but who knows maybe he probably did that already

[@new_kingdom8679]

The Fanboys & Fangirls Forked Out Billions💵💵💵💰💰💰and Billions💵💰💵💰💰of Dollars towards George Lucas's Star Wars Film Empire by buying Movie Tickets, Star Wars Toys, Star Wars T-shirts, Star Wars Video Games, Star Wars Bed Sheets, Star Wars Towels, Star Wars Cereal, Star Wars cookies and Etc.. The Fans Paid for ALL of George's debts from the making of the first film and the Fans kept George Beyond Mega Rich. Yes the Fans are owed Back an Original Copy of the 1977 STAR WARS film that was shown on the Big Screen. "Without your Fans, YOU have Nothing!!!"

[@ANT96-x8d]

It’s technically Lucas’ own fault for taking away the original unaltered version of the classic trilogy. Spielberg released both versions of ET on Blue-ray. So why not the same with Star Wars 4,5, and 6?

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@ANT96-x8d Spielberg did not do that, the studio chose that for him, unlike Lucas Spielberg does not own his movies.

[@StarWarsTheory]

I'm with George

[@blankblank2370]

Hot take: The prequels are just as bad as the sequels.

[@benjaminmartindale]

@@blankblank2370 hot take you're wrong pal. W theory

[@generaldela2128]

me too

[@jaredschmidt8013]

@@blankblank2370you don’t have to like the prequels but how could anything be as bad as the flaming hot garbage sequels?

[@samuelrussell1640]

Based

[@josefsilvia5360]

People take movies way too seriously.

[@giggajames1903]

"Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." - George Lucas

[@dbreiden83080]

Something I have said about Star Wars fans for quite a while that amazes me is they really don’t seem to like Star Wars all that much. Even with the original trilogy you have people to this day, that complain about Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks. The prequels were not well liked at all upon release and of course we have the dreaded sequels. So that's 2 movies out of 9 they agree on. Yeah they love SW alright...

[@silloweet]

Star Wars is loved regardless because of the story. It has a great story and isn’t always reflected well in films

[@dbreiden83080]

@@silloweet It is NOT loved at all.. Fans bitch about 70% of the movies and most of the stuff on TV.. Even Mando which had 2 of the most amazing TV seasons of all time after a shaky 3rd season you got fans bailing out and shitting on the idea of a Mando movie.. SW fans are whiners and babies..

[@REAZONUKHIPHOP]

Sometimes I wonder if its kind of like nostalgia retro gaming and that's why they can't enjoy anything . So I grew up with Nintendo. Great memories ( symbolic of any kids entry into their love of SW in any part of the saga) and as the years go by , u get the opportunity to play that old game again or maybe even a new game is released, but the mechanics , graphics or whatever are based on that old classic. The nostalgia hits , but its over very quickly. I've replayed old school games and thiscis the case where I'm bored after 15 mins because since thst time you've been exposed to better advanced games and products. Fans want that hit like the first time, and SW simply can not deliver. I love star wars as one giant story , Its immense. But I've always said as individual films and shows they don't tend to be executed particually well , but the overarching story over time is fantastic . There are simply a large swath of other franchises & films that are say smaller in scope , but the delivery is solid . Great films u can watch again and again. I find alot of SW lacks a rewarch factor . But it all still contributes to this big story.

[@Mario_N64]

People forget that Lucas faced major health problems in the 80s, including diabetes and hypertension. He narrowly avoided a heart attack. That's why he slowed down his career, and he probably changed his viewpoint on many things.

[@zoetropeguardian]

Not accurate. He knew he was diabetic in the 60's. It was on the first film he experienced hypertension. He also slowed down after Return of the Jedi because he was burnout and wanted to focus on raising his three kids. People forget how much of a time commitment it was for him with making Star Wars, starting all of his companies, and raising his kids on his own. He rightfully slowed down.

[@andrewchung2940]

Boy, this didn't age well, didn't it? But it does provide a fascinating time capsule into where the SW fandom (or at least the vocal portion) was back in the 2000-2010s. Part of me thinks it would be interesting to see a follow-up to this documentary regarding where Star Wars is today...

[@ZiplineShazam]

This documentary is still spot on.

[@mr.b9613]

The documentary is still true. Children that grew up in the 2000s trying to revise history and plaguing the comment section wont change that. Lucas was a passive aggressive asshole and the prequel trilogy killed Star Wras. Disney was only the nail in the coffin

[@ZiplineShazam]

@@mr.b9613 Yep !

[@Jay-hy6rl]

​@@mr.b9613bs what about the sequels

[@Jay-hy6rl]

​@@mr.b9613like Disney is any better

[@MarkArandjus]

As a non Star Wars fan, it has been fascinating over the years, seeing the consensus shift as young fans replace older fans. The prequels were hated at first, but today adults who grew up on the prequels adore it and take it seriously because it's a part of their identity as a nerd. But prequel fans now hate the sequels in the same way. It's like poetry, it rhymes! And one day soon adults who grew up on the sequels will praise them and say they're masterpieces. You may find that hard to imagine, but I found it hard to imagine anyone would like the Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones. But the times they are a-changing!

[@JamesCarmichael]

Well I think that could be true, but remember the OG and the prequels were part of George's vision. Not to say that his cast and crew didn't help of course, but there was a clear direction. The sequels were Disney products and not part of what George intended. You might be right, but I do think the sequels are different in that respect at least.

[@MarkArandjus]

@@JamesCarmichael I'm not making a judgement of quality. Personally I agree that the sequels lack vision and are the most hollow trilogy, but that won't stop nerds from being nerds :)

[@JamesCarmichael]

@@MarkArandjus Oh don't misunderstand I completely see where you're coming from. I like being a nerd sometimes, but sometimes (as George would say) "You can go too far." :D

[@HieMan-g1n]

Time doesn't make bad movies good. The prequels are bad movies but fans can grow to accept some things.

[@TheShapeshifter]

Kids who watched the sequels will grow up and then flood social media on how they liked the sequel trilogy. I don't think it's a case of older fans changing their minds, but more so the kids that first got into Star Wars will do this.

[@Max_filmatic_music]

I am glad I was able to enjoy the prequels privately as a child without ever hearing about any of this ridiculous hatre. I made my opinion up about all the films a long time ago and no matter what you can’t take away the joy those films gave me. Star Wars was made by visionary VFX artists, Sound Designers, Makeup Artists and Set Designers. This is their movie not yours.

[@ethansmith8463]

You shouldn't feel ashamed for liking the prequels. Everyone has something that brings them joy, no matter what the mainstream opinion might be.

[@thekidfromiowa]

I was 10 when TPM came out and didn't have any issue with it. I was incredulous when I found out Jar Jar was hated.

[@bhendri31]

I saw it when I was a kid privately too. Didn't like it, was boring and hard to follow. Continued not to like it and still don't. Eventually saw Revenge of the Sith, and actually liked it. Saw the OT and TESB quickly became my favorite Star Wars movie. I can understand kids liking The Phantom Menace, but adults seeing it as a good film with nothing glaringly wrong are either in denial or are drooling idiots who love good graffix and litesabur doolz over story.

[@Max_filmatic_music]

@@bhendri31 Movies are just entertainment for me I am not that pretentious about what films I can find enjoyment from. The prequels aren’t perfect at all but I love them because the Hollywood machine couldn’t get their slimy fingers on them to do ten thousand focus groups on them and make them a commercial monstrosity like the Disney trilogy. I watched them again recently and I think the story in episodes 2 & 3 is very compelling if your to pretentious to find enjoyment from them why are you even spending energy writing comments? Just watch a movie that is sophisticated enough for your taste.

[@bhendri31]

@@Max_filmatic_music Star Wars was never "sophisticated." The OT did have plots that made sense and interesting characters. That's what made them so engaging and entertaining. The Phantom Menace...not so much...near complete snoozefest and hard to follow.

[@Guy-cb1oh]

"No one can piss off Star Wars Fans like George Lucas." Disney: "Hold my beer."

[@BigSeaMonsterThing]

I loved the Sequels

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@BigSeaMonsterThing Then I know better to ask your opinion on movies.

[@BigSeaMonsterThing]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Rude

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@BigSeaMonsterThing But true.

[@BigSeaMonsterThing]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Why can’t you just accept others opinions?

[@jongon0848]

This film tries WAY too hard to get me to be on the fans side and boy does it backfire. I'm 100% on George's side throughout the entire film!

[@George-de6hd]

All the fans that bitched and moved he made edits and cuts to his movies then took his movies and made edits and cuts to them😂😂

[@George-de6hd]

They said he was extremely hurt by this movie

[@George-de6hd]

There kinda nice in the first ten mins and ten mins at the end and in between that is just and hour a bashing him

[@ANT96-x8d]

@@George-de6hdThat’s because Lucas is the one who made all the choices from taking away the original unaltered trilogy to writing the prequels without any useful creative collaboration.

[@Dave-gk6si]

@@ANT96-x8dGo back to RLM.

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

The thing about Han shooting first is that when I first saw this movie as a kid, I saw the special edition, and I don’t think I even noticed Greedo shooting. I’m pretty sure I assumed that Han simply shot him. He was a bad guy, he was threatening Han. They still had the shots of Han taking out his blaster, which clearly implies that he was ready to shoot.

[@Gridseeker]

When the sequel haters state that ONLY THE CRITICS hated the prequels, I tell them to watch this movie. I still remember as yesterday when the fans asked Lucas head because of the prequels and the special editions.

[@harold5337]

Given the hatred poor George got, I’m surprised he didn’t sell to Disney sooner.

[@Gridseeker]

@@harold5337 No brainer. I still think that was one of the reasons why Lucas sold his company, and even for a bargain price. Even in an interview said and quote: "shooting is no longer fun...everybody looks me as a bad person".

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Gridseeker George stop having fun shooting after the first Star Wars. It's why he had someone else direct Empire.

[@Gridseeker]

@@Lobsterwithinternet So far I know, "A new hope" was one hellish shooting, so Lucas pledged he would never direct any other SW movie (spoilers: he broke his own pledge), but ANH was unexpectedly such box office that the idea for a sequel came to his mind, but he didn´t want to repeat the job as director, that´s why he asked his mentor, Irvin Keller, to carry the job.

[@harold5337]

@@Gridseeker George didn’t want to make movies anymore due to how the poor guy was made out to be a villain, just because he made a movie you people didn’t like. George loved to make movies, it was his passion, and it’s sad how he no longer got any enjoyment from something just because of us.

[@terrygat6059]

Star Wars fans really deserve what they got. I grew up with the prequels, saw the OT in 2004 and always got made fun off when I said my favorite was EP 1. Now with all this with Disney drama, I really hope they suffer and suffer well. I honestly stopped being one as the new movies came out and never cared afterwards. This documentary proves everything that happened back then and still does with rabid fans, I hope this fandom teaches a lesson to other fandoms to not be dicks regardless what you or anyone likes.

[@George-de6hd]

Just because you bought a lot of Star Wars toys doesn’t mean you own Star Wars or have any rights to it

[@magneto44]

one thing in this crazy world never changes, no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans

[@jaredschmidt8013]

Mindless acceptance of garbage cinema next to the name Star Wars does not make one a hater of Star Wars. It makes one a hater of forgery and leaches who suck as much money out of a cinematic titans such as Star Wars whilst not caring anything for the actual lore and spirit of what makes Star Wars so great. It’s like saying you have to like every politician who is a member of the political party you support.

[@Dave-gk6si]

@@jaredschmidt8013Oh shut it

[@corpyhogan4433]

@@jaredschmidt8013 nobody is saying accept everything but not liking a project doesn’t justify pushing the creator to the point to where he wants nothing to do with the franchise

[@SpFlash1523]

Just like how no one hates Spider-Man more than Spider-Man fans.

[@jaredschmidt8013]

@@SpFlash1523 The build-up and sustenance of a character or franchise matter a lot more than the deconstruction and annihilation of it.

[@lloydshanahan154]

As the original trilogy went on George became more open to collaboration and critique with each film Plus Doug Chang and Rick McCallum made it clear that even when George Lucas was making the prequels, he was still open to collaboration. some people considered working on the prequels as "Open Season" for creatives. IT's just that no one tried to collaborate when it came to story because they were intimidated by the idea of arguing with the creator of Star Wars over the story. But there was no fear when it came to art design, effects, editing, and even the acting. Besides, they only said "yes" when the cameras where on.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Freaking thank you, every featurette shows young people making characters and concepts on their own and THEN Lucas choosing

[@SpFlash1523]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Such as George allowing a whole group of artists to create the look of General Grievous.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@sats2407 Really? Because if you check the featurettes every design was used, if not in one episode in the next or in the clone wars. Also of you actually read the books on the making of the original trilogy instead of going by some random Internet video you will see that it was indeed collaboration, and why wouldn't George have control? He was the director after all and even co directed and edited episode 5 and 6.

[@zoetropeguardian]

He was open to story suggestions. He originally wanted to include Han Solo with the wookiees for example. He decided against it after discussing it with his collaborators. George was always open. It just went through his filter as he's an auteur. Auteurs and directors have final say. That's the way film works.

[@profo4544]

i dont think people realize how bad starwars fans were back then, before reddit, before social media, before the disney everything. It was a fanbase elitist cliques who all felt like they knew more than the other or something. And it was always starwars vs startrek, that comparison used to get brought up alot more than it does nowadays

[@jan4571]

These are the same crybabies who are now imploring him to come back and fix the franchise.

[@Cotygeek]

Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.

[@fundhund62]

This really shows you what's behind all those "the prequels are objectively bad" claims. Precisely nothing. It's just a bunch of angry man-children not getting the films they wanted. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@stepfalcon]

Typical in star wars fandom

[@Spillow-C]

they just dont like movies that you like, chill bro.

[@mania4270]

The same with the sequels

[@Сайтамен]

​@@mania4270 Nah, those are objectively terribly written. How many people are excited for the Ray movie and how many people were excited for the Clone Wars?

[@mania4270]

@@Сайтаменnothing in film is objective. Film is art and is interpreted by the viewer. Objectivity is something that can be measured. You can't measure how good something is. It's why McDonald's is still the biggest restaurant chain. Does that mean McDonald's burgers are objectively good? No. Stop using the word objectivity, you and these others incels really don't know the meaning of it. And yes nobody gave a shit about star wars after revenge of the sith. That's why clone wars is the lowest grossing star wars film. Because the franchise was dead and viewed at by most ppl as a PBS kids cartoon rather than an epic space Opera.

[@generaldela2128]

Bros talking about rerealize the originals as if they were Lost Media, when they were in 2006 in dvd by Lucas 💀

[@JamesCarmichael]

My only issue with Lucas was that he never released the original cuts of the Original Trilogy. Besides that I love them man. I love the preqeuls as well. Sure they're not on the level of the originals (my subjective opinion), but this man simply does not deserve the hate he gets/got.

[@dbreiden83080]

Here is the issue with Lucas. If he had all the technology that he wanted at his disposal SW never takes off IMO. The Special Editions are NOT even his vision for SW. They are just the best he could alter them with the tech in the late 90's and he had to deal with tons of shots from the 70's and 80's that couldn't really be altered. The prequels which were terribly received by critics and audiences starting in 1999 is pretty close to his vision for SW.. In a sense Lucas got kind of lucky he was forced to make SW in the late 70's.. I assure you Lucas would have loved to have sat in his chair with a big cup of coffee surrounded by shit tons of green screens in the late 70's..

[@JamesCarmichael]

@@dbreiden83080 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5zQi6NrmMyVobc&pp=ygUfZ2VvcmdlIGx1Y2FzIG9uIHNwZWNpYWwgZWZmZWN0cw%3D%3D

[@grathem9789]

​@@dbreiden83080doesn't matter he still should release the original cuts

[@solidbeard8324]

@@dbreiden83080 I always saw Lucas when he made the prequels in a state of complete relax with no one told him to do anything unlike with the OT. And same goes with KK.

[@dbreiden83080]

@@solidbeard8324 Exactly and that is why the product turned out so mediocre.. Lucas in the 70's and early 80's had pressure and a lot to prove. He wasn't insanely rich and comfortable..

[@jacknelson4156]

This documentary aged horribly.

[@shortspanattractions8403]

That didnt age well. Everybody in this movie sounds ultra pathetic. And Lucas got it right again. Star Wars would be a disaster today if left like the versions from 50 years ago.

[@brucewayne1662]

What isnt talked about enough is that the original film wouldnt even match very well with EMPIRE and JEDI, let alone with the prequels. Its very telling that none of the space shots in EMPIRE and JEDI were redone in the Special Edition

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

Having Greedo miss a dude from point blank range makes him look stupid.

[@RipScissor]

I feel like I'm the only person in the universe who still thinks the prequel trilogy is the worst of the bunch. Maybe it's just because I'm older and from "that" era, but I definitely agree the SW fandom in general is a toxic hellscape.

[@zenaku666]

So we were supposed to come out of this on the fans side right? Like this wasn't some kind of behind the curve situation where the filmmakers are in on the joke but the fandom isn't? Because if we are supposed to be on the fans side damn did they miss the mark.

[@niks660097]

Star wars nerds tend to forget, that cinema is a luxury not a basic need, you don't like it, you move on..

[@observerdude9809]

What people don't realize is that many of Jar Jar's antiques were improvised by the actor. He wasn't directed to do those movements by lucas

[@Bone74838]

We do realize it! It was on the bonus dvd disc with the phantom menace that came out 23 years ago!!!!!!

[@observerdude9809]

@@Bone74838 ok, but some people dont know that

[@Mario_N64]

It was directed by Lucas. He told him to walk like a pimp. It's in the documentary.

[@herbie747]

Stop lying. There's literally a clip of George showing him how to walk. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpKbpGyjad94ptE

[@Mario_N64]

@@herbie747 He clearly tells him do a stereotypical "black" walk.

[@thekingjamescalvinist3689]

Imagine being such a freaking baby that someone else liking a movie that you don’t pisses you off 😂

[@somethingnottothinkabout2874]

The more things change with StarWars the more the fandom stays the same…

[@somethingnottothinkabout2874]

Like it’s ok to dislike something and voice your complaints, but some of you take it way too far.

[@bigbionk]

You made George sell SW to Disney and now it’s SH*T. look what you’ve done.

[@yurichtube1162]

George appointed Kathleen Kennedy as head of LucasFilm, someone he trusted. It would had worked, but she has some kind of grudge against him. Very poor choice in people.

[@gamestation2690]

@@yurichtube1162 Who said she had a grudge against him?

[@fairytaleandfablebooks]

@@yurichtube1162 She maybe didn't have a grudge, we don't really know for sure. We do know for sure, that she's not creative, she's not talented, and she's terrible as a business-woman. She rode coat-tails, and climbed the ladder; and now she's tanked perhaps the biggest IP that stands right next to Lord of the Rings and Dune.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

George didn’t deserve any of this.

[@KingOfTheMonsters07]

Facts.

[@nightstrike90]

I used to love this documentary in 2010. Now I hate it with every ounce of hatred in my body. This is the reason Star Wars is in the hands its in now. We bullied George Lucas over the prequels so hard that he finally gave up. I, everyone who made it, everyone who participated in it, and everyone who ever praised it should be utterly ashamed of ourselves. Disney didn't kill Star Wars, WE KILLED STAR WARS. We complained and complained until we thought we got what we wanted but in the end, all that glittered wasn't gold

[@AndrewChapman]

During 3:07-20:20, seems perfectly innocent. Just discussing Lucas's backstory as a filmmaker that ultimately lead to Star Wars, Indiana Jones etc. and inspiring fans. Then 20 mins in is where we're reminded what this documentary is about.

[@thekidfromiowa]

Now the same haters want George back. He was their savior then he was the antichrist now he's the savior again. Make up your minds!

[@orlandofurioso7329]

It takes balls to admit, personally the only mistake i made was not giving clone wars a chance because i did not like the first season, how naïve was i

[@SHAH-UZER]

You seem reedemed but it does not matter anymore, there is so much dumb people in this community that the Star Wars we knew is dead.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Why did you hate on George in the first place though? I never grasped this. Like South Park creators said they hate George because “midichloreans are the force and that ruins the zen aspect” but that was never said in tpm. It’s not even the force. It’s like people make up fake issues. I’m so lost

[@adamcroft3705]

No wonder he sold it.

[@Attmay]

He should’ve sold it to Universal. Crossover with ET would’ve been less cringeworthy and what we got from the mouse.

[@mania4270]

​@@Attmaylay off the crack.

[@Osio1000_5]

​@@Attmay Funny you say that, because in the Phantom menace you can see aliens looking like E.T. during the senate scene

[@mmx9316]

Documentary in nutshell: GeOrGe LuCaS cAn’T dO wHaT hE wAnTs oN hIs creation, I cAn!

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Ironic considering that Disney almost wiped out the extended universe before realizing how bad of a mistake that would be

[@jamesneese7663]

what you mean is "he subverted our expectations" and that's not allowed, unless disney does it, then it's cool and anyone who talks #$#$ are toxic racist sexist homophobic dudebros.

[@gamestation2690]

@@orlandofurioso7329 They couldn't continue making Star Wars stories with so much baggage.

[@davidwallgren7575]

​@@orlandofurioso7329 Lucasfilm confirmed the EU was never canon to begin with, so you can't blame the distributor here

[@SpFlash1523]

@@davidwallgren7575 But that doesn't mean they should've straight up cancel it, a lot of Star Wars fans still kept up with the EU for all those years. Plus, before Disney brought Lucasfilm, Pablo Hidalgo (a Lucasfilm creative executive) was always referring to the EU when he was asked about specific details about certain characters. Leland Chee, an expert on the EU, was originally tasked with making sure the Clone Wars TV show stayed in line with the "C-canon", which included the EU. For further explanation, "T-Canon" (which is higher than C-canon) was specifically created so that TCW had creative freedom to do whatever, so objectively speaking Seasons 1-6 of TCW was canon to the EU. TCW was also borrowing a lot of ideas from the EU, along with the Mando-verse era anyways. You can't say something didn't mattered if it is still being used for resources.

[@theeducatedfool]

Nothing about this fandom changed, it just learned how to create new scapegoats

[@lukespillman1313]

And now, they’re attacking George again because they got offended by what he said about him being a Disney shareholder.

[@paulothx138]

The more time passes the worse this gets. Lucas won in the end.

[@taylorsly2392]

The more I learn about Lucas and the Prequels, the more I realize these Star Wars “fans” got what they deserved with the sequels.

[@TheWorldFromJ2Z]

Exactly these are the same fans who made Lucas sell it and now what him back to make his vision of the prequels

[@Akatsukileader9]

I appreciate this existing, it's sort of nostalgic in a way. Also it shows SW fans are the most passionately insane and entitled fandom of them all. Star Wars has been ruined how many times now? like 5?

[@RAPTORREVIEWS92]

Fans in 2000s “ ew george has ruined star wars the franchise is ruined” George sells star wars to Disney Fans in 2020s “ ew Disney has ruined star wars, george needs to come back” Like get a grip eh, so once again in 20 years time all the kids growing up on the new stuff now will say “Eww **** has ruined star wars, give it back to kennedy Last Jedi was a classic”

[@noahheninger]

Except...kids don't watch Star Wars anymore.

[@tedmack1945]

Brother I don’t think one can destroy Star Wars any worse than Kennedy has. George had some questionable ideas but Kathleen came in with hers and cranked it up x2000

[@EGOHVCbcn]

People reacting to this film really is a good litmus test on how self-aware a Star Wars fan is. Time is a flat circle, and the hate for the newest star wars product is very similar to the hate 20 years ago

[@legitballin1986]

You’d think they owned it or something

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

As a cultural icon, they kind of do.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@Lobsterwithinternet why, cause they bought copies of the movie or a one time ticket? Those are not movie as property.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Imagine having a deep vision for a universe for 30 years, finally getting free from Hollywood and getting hate for expanding the universe YOU created and envisioned because your viewers wanted just more space battles instead of the deep connection with the force and corruption that George made. Sometimes i think people choose to not understand the prequels because deep down they don't want to believe how much they resemble our world, start comparing the blockade in episode I with what Russia is doing to food and gas, it's crazy how much a visionary George was. Edit: Thank you for uploading this, it's an important testament to cinema and audiences.

[@BennyPlayer-du2je]

The Franchise always have a habit for reflecting our reality with the universe. far far away. imagine a Star Wars work inspired by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@BennyPlayer-du2je George was gonna make the sequel trilogy based on the problem of creating democracy after an empire so yeah he even thought of that, though the inspiration came from the middle east

[@SpFlash1523]

Plus, most of them can't live with the fact that Darth Vader, the all-powerful and menacing super-villain, was once a flawed imperfect human being like the rest of us.

[@mtndewisawesome3951]

thank you, the whole univerce expansion is by far the best part of the pt

[@HieMan-g1n]

I mean he kind of made things up as he went along and only began writing the new ones in the mid-90s because he finally got free from a bad merchandise deal he signed in the 70s.

[@drachenzahne9262]

While I think the way some of the opinions expressed here come off as rather mean and/or excessive - the lady screaming about who shot first, the skit with George in a wheelchair being forced to rewrite RotS, the hateful people telling George he ruined their childhood (especially that song!) and in general talking down to him as if he's some fool - there are points I agree with here. I think for the sake of history, older cuts of the movies should be available considering how much of an impact the franchise had on pop culture, and I don't think the creative decisions made by Lucas are immune to criticism.

[@Smartieboi]

Watching this documentary makes me feel like im looking into the brains of a bunch of sociopath’s

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

This is what every fanbase looks like to outsiders. They're all cringy.

[@wizardgaming6759]

@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah but idk any other fan base as bad as this.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@wizardgaming6759 Then you haven't seen other fanbases. Go look at the FNAF fanbase or Hololive.

[@ThelronFjord]

This coming from a JoJobrony

[@jongon0848]

​@@wizardgaming6759 wrestling fans can be pretty toxic too.

[@kernowpictures2002]

They are arguing over nothing about the special vision changes considering that the original unedited versions are available to watch to the public.

[@ActualLee42]

If the original unedited versions are "available to the public to watch" like you said, would you care to provide a link? Don't worry I'll wait.

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@@ActualLee42 The DVD from 2006 has them as a bonus feature. Haha

[@orlandofurioso7329]

​@@ActualLee42learn how tonuse torrent, it's just been around for 20 years you know

[@ActualLee42]

​@@zoetropeguardian No longer in print, so not available to the public. Try again

[@ActualLee42]

​@@orlandofurioso7329 Note how I asked for a link and failed to provide one, probably because you don't have one and don't have an argument.

[@have_you_no_empathy_mon]

The same people who made this are now crying that the disney sequel trilogy is terrible and George shouldnt have sold the trilogy. He sold it because of people like you. You ruined star wars.

[@polyman6859]

He didn't sell it to backlash, thats a myth. Obviously these fans are annoying but there is no need to spread myths over it.

[@brucewayne1662]

@@polyman6859 True, but it is pretty much the reason we didnt get his version of the sequel trilogy, the true version of the sequel trilogy

[@FitzChivalry_Chade]

I Stand with George

[@Chino-bk9fd]

make your own fucking movies then

[@arkfounder7056]

The aging of this documentary makes me become more adamant on trusting people in general.

[@flashgamer1275]

George Lucas is one of the greatest artists in the history of our country.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@lukasp5892]

Depends how wide you wanna cast that net buddy lmao

[@flashgamer1275]

@@lukasp5892 let's see.... George was someone who self-funded, wrote, produced, directed, and edited his own films with his own company... founder of Lucasfilm, Industrial Light & Magic, Skywalker Sound, Pixar Animations. (to name a few) He went on to reconstruct culture and filmmaking as we know it, and dawned the digital film era which has given artists more tools to create film than at any time in the history of the craft. A technologist for the sake of helping humans express themselves and to create things he could only dream of. A fierce defender of a filmmaker's right to their own intellectual property, fought tooth and nail with Hollywood to make the films the way he wanted them to be made. He called out the hypocrisy of studios for destroying the silent film era products and helped found the National Film Registry in the USA. If an artist or a piece of their work is to be judged by how well they accomplished their goal, George went above and beyond his peers. He did this all while being a single father and raising three children and pledged to give back a majority of his wealth through the Bill Gates Foundation. If you call this casting a wide net, I'd love to know what your list of great American artists looks like.

[@wizardgaming6759]

Maybe in cinema but I wouldn’t say one of the greatest artists as a whole lol.

[@flashgamer1275]

@@wizardgaming6759 why not?

[@Royocentral1030]

Most pathetic documentary I’ve ever watched

[@SkyShazad]

Oh wow, I was just looking for this, thanks for the upload

[@Colton12.]

This has to be one of the worst aged documentaries ever

[@thehedgehognerd]

I....ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THIS DOCUMENTARY. This is basically 1 hour 32 minutes of fan entitlement, gatekeeping, harrassment and toxic fan behaviour. If anything this should be a cautionary tale, but fandom learned nothing and does the same thing with Sequels. And that moment...when that one guy on stage tried to silence people who liked the Prequels....yeah he just offended entire generation of kids who grew up with that era and The Clone Wars. And People wonder why George Lucas doesn't want to return to Star Wars or make another movie 😒

[@Kasierofhate-ga5]

They kinda remind me of dcfan200

[@thehedgehognerd]

@@Kasierofhate-ga5 Who?

[@Kasierofhate-ga5]

@@thehedgehognerd one of the most toxic pepole on the planet he harrased pepole for drawing a charecter wrong and compared a sonic writer to Adolf hitler

[@thehedgehognerd]

@@Kasierofhate-ga5 Oof....yeah, he's clearly unhinged 😨

[@Attmay]

Big deal. I compare +0n¥ d@nz@ to Mussolini all the time. Ripping off *Gimme A Break!* to “create” that terrible show he did after *Taxi* was canceled is the TV equivalent of invading Ethiopia to start the Roman Empire back up again.

[@fabioj2353]

This documentary is honestly shameful. George is a masterful creative and a directorial genius. It’s honestly sad how people reacted to the prequels. While not perfect films, the story they told was cohesive, in-depth, and fascinating. Not to mention the groundbreaking effects (also, each individual prequel has more practical effects than the entire original trilogy combined) that revolutionized cgi and filmmaking. Some Star Wars fans are really the most pretentious and self absorbed people; being angry with a creator for altering their work post-release. Every creator in history has changed their art, from paintings to novels to films. Only SW fans complain though. The special editions are the films and the prequels are phenomenal. Wish fans could’ve seen that back then and maybe we wouldn’t be stuck with the sequels.

[@dbreiden83080]

Oh, stop it. The prequels told a good story? Let me guess because you became a big fan of the clone wars cartoon years later? Episodes 1, and 2 are complete garbage. Everything from the acting, to the story, to the PlayStation like effects and lifeless action scenes.. And I live through it. Trust me the fans really disliked them at the time. And we may well see people have a different opinion of the sequels in 20 years the way this is going. Because I never thought I’d see the day pretty much anyone would defend those prequels.

[@fabioj2353]

@@dbreiden83080 yes, the prequels told a strong, clear and cohesive story. The plot was very focused and evident with no major contrivances through all three epsiodes as we watch the Phantom Menace slowly rise to power while seducing the chosen one to the dark side; dismantling the Jedi order and republic in his path. I have never watched the Clone Wars television show and I was alive to see all three prequels release into theaters. Only a vocal minority of the fanbase really didn’t like the films; largely years after the fact due to KZbinrs like RLM stating blatantly obvious lies while also being too dumb to even comprehend the basic outline of the plot. Actual intelligent critics like Roger Ebert thoroughly enjoyed the prequels upon their releases. Sorry George actually told a compelling story with themes and motifs; rather than just re-telling the same story over again with plot redundancies such as “palpatine has somehow returned.” The prequels aren’t as well made as the original trilogy, but they have 1000x the amount of heart, character, and creativity than the Disney sequels could even dream of.

[@dbreiden83080]

@@fabioj2353 "Only a vocal minority of the fanbase really didn’t like the films" If that were true explain the dogshit reviews in 1999 and 2002? The millions of fans expressing then and now how bad they were? The bottom line is adult SW fans mostly hated those films. Those fans in their 40's and 50's still hate them.. I was there buddy that is 100% accurate.. Hell the news media was right there interviewing fans coming out of the movie as they expressed their horror as just how disappointed they were.. In disbelief that Lucas blew it so badly.. Years later Kids that grew up with the prequels rose up to defend them as they became adults.. Now lets be clear I hated the last 2 sequels but watch the same shit happen again as the years go on.. I say this because kids my Nephews age loved them.. If you really think Episode 1 is a compelling story when it features essentially a talking rabbit nobody can understand, gave Obi Wan a bland boring mentor to guide us through a story while Obi Wan mostly hangs out on the ship with zero interesting to do or say congrats.. Oh yes and lets NOT forget the big light saber fight with a cool looking villain that had 1 line of dialogue and we know nothing whatsoever about other than he looks dangerous.. What a story...

[@fabioj2353]

@@dbreiden83080 you’re being a bit biased and pretentious. The reviews were simply not “dogshit”, they were largely mixed. If you watch the out of theater reactions the vast majority are positive or mixed; with only a few extreme negative responses. The large portion of people I’ve spoken to or seen reviews of either love them or don’t mind them. Similarly, if you watch reviews of the original trilogy, there were many who had the same negative perspectives. “It’s all special effects! No real acting or story! Dry and terrible dialogue.” The negative responses were just highlighted far more often due to social media and the internet. At least the prequels, whether you like them or not, did not hamper or disrespect the original trilogy or characters that came before. Lucas absolutely did his best to maintain a cohesive story throughout the six films. Also, the point of the first episode isn’t to focus on Obi-Wan. It’s entirely to focus on the dual of the fates and Anakin’s start to his journey. Qui-Gon is a wise and intelligent Jedi who, as we see, isn’t on the council due to his differing perspectives on the force and training. He’s even willing to completely disobey the order to take on Anakin as his apprentice. It’s also clear from the get go that Obi-Wan sides with the order and not his own master; disliking Anakin immediately. “Why do I sense we have picked up another pathetic life form.” “The boy is dangerous they all sense it why can’t you?” It’s called the phantom menace and the final battle is the dual of the fates due to the fact that palpatine is slowly gaining power in the senate to eventually take over; while if Qui-Gon dies, Anakin will absolutely fulfill his destiny of turning to the dark side. Had Qui-Gon survived, Anakin would’ve been allowed to use his emotions and attempt to save the people he loved like his mother and padme. It is Obi-Wan’s/the Jedi’s distaste/distrust for anakin, Palpatine’s now fatherly role for anakin in light of Qui-Gon passing, and the lack of the Jedi’s sympathy and acceptance of emotions like love that causes Anakin to fall to the dark side. Not to mention how amazing the underwater gungan city is, how awesome Naboo is, the entire Pod Racing sequence, and getting to see the Jedi order/Coruscant in their prime. I can accept if you don’t enjoy them but they’re genuinely compelling films and stories.

[@dbreiden83080]

@@fabioj2353 While I don't agree with your take on the prequels at all I can appreciate your passion for them.. For me as a huge Superman fan in 2006 I loved Superman Returns and was on a bit of an island on that one. At least you got a completed prequel trilogy..

[@whoisyouranime]

The Star Wars fandom saddens me. I was once like these guys. But after the Last Jedi and the negativity it got, I disliked being a Star Wars fan and became ashamed of it.

[@lukespillman1313]

That is a problem that has plagued pretty much every fandom. It’s okay to like and dislike something, just don’t be a bad person about it. You’re not a bad person because you’re a fan of something, it’s just that there are a lot of bad people who just happen to be fans of something. Too many if you ask me, but that’s humanity for you. Things kind of got to the point where Star Wars became one of the things you can’t discuss with others without hell breaking loose. (Along with religion and politics)

[@gandalflotr2898]

I agree they acting like religious zealots

[@migalorsdarwin1930]

Have not seen the docu yet. However, when i watched EP1 as a teen back then, i was pretty disappointed (to much CGI, to Goofy, to clean, also the Special Editions had a fair amount of such "problems") for the most part i did not care about Star Wars after that. Still i have good memories and love for the OT. After watching The Last Jedi and what they did to Luke, this killed something inside me and im sure many people feel a similar way. After the squel Triology, i for sure appriciate the PT and Lucas Vision much more.

[@thepurgatorian1613]

That's how I felt too, these motherfuckers are why I'm not a Star Wars fan anymore.

[@almendraman]

I know people that saw the prequels when they were young have strong reactions to this documentary now that they've come of age, but it is important that it exists. It's a document of how the fanbase at that time was faring in the post-prequel world, it really was this intense. It's important to see it today and use it to evaluate the present, to not let toxicity cloud your judgement. Not everything is black and white, no one deserves to be lynched by millions like this, certainly not George Lucas. But it is important to remember this happened at one point in time. One day, you too could look back to what you're saying today and have regrets

[@yaknow8493]

This documentary is a really interesting time capsule and look into a moment in pop culture and Star Wars history. Although there were toxic elements of the fandom back then, I get where these people are coming from. It’s easy to look back at this now and think they were being whiny but it makes sense to me why they were upset by what Lucas was doing at the time. He made significant alterations to the films and refused to give fans DVD/Blu-ray releases of the unedited versions. I also understand why The Phantom Menace broke a lot of hearts. Seeing that movie for the first time as an adult who grew up with the OT and seeing it as a child experiencing Star Wars for the first time is a COMPLETELY different experience. As a 2000s kid who grew up with Prequel/Clone Wars era, my experience With Star Wars is very different from these people, but I get where they are coming from and think it’s interesting to hear.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

I don't, they shame people who liked Phantom menace

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@orlandofurioso7329 As they should.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Welcome to the internet, BTW.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Imagine bragging about being a dick

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Better than being a simp any day of the week. And much better than pretending the mac ‘n cheese is filet mignon just to spare the feelings of a billion-dollar corporation.

[@AndrewChapman]

Seems fine round 3:07-20:20 as they're talking about George Luca's backstory as a filmmaker, leading to the creation of Star Wars, Indiana Jones and the successful impact on fans. And at first the Special Edition discussion sounds positive. But then getting further into the Special Editions and then the prequels is where we're reminded of the title of this documentary. And also where a lot of these PEOPLE start coming in.

[@ANT96-x8d]

Lucas could’ve avoided it all if he left the original trilogy alone and collaborate with other filmmakers to write the prequels better than what we got.

[@TheDigitalApple]

I think you forgot the the air quotes when talking about these “””””people”””””. They are not like you or I, they’re are lesser than the mud we walk over and shall be treated as such, with no one remembering them existing and being glad they’re all dead.

[@disma4191]

​@@ANT96-x8dGeorge Lucas can do whatever he wants with his films and he colaborated With people during The prequels

[@TheGreg6466]

1:05:25 this sketch of George Lucas in the misery film being forced to rewrite was hilarious but these people are responsible for GL selling to disney and everything since then, now they're all :"actually, the prequels were pretty good"

[@Max25670]

The Gen Xers hated the prequels, the millennials always loved the prrequels

[@TheGreg6466]

@@Max25670 very true at the time but I think a fair amount of the haters have warmed to the prequels more recently, especially the revenge of the sith, I suppose I didn't make my point very clear either, which is the change in attitude was after seeing how bad the disney sequels were, making the prequels seem better in comparison.

[@gamestation2690]

@@TheGreg6466 The Sequels will get their due someday.

[@doesitmatter9085]

​@@gamestation2690 Episode VII will. But there is very little to like about VIII and IX.

[@gamestation2690]

@@doesitmatter9085 We'll see.

[@Rorschach97]

Star Wars has one of the worst fandoms in history.

[@AndrewChapman]

Yep

[@ryand9873]

This whole documentary didn't aged well.

[@AndrewChapman]

37:06-37:17 Honestly, I'm happy to just stick with my 2006 limited edition DVD copies even though the original versions are non-anamorphic low quality laserdisc transfers. I'm not messing about trying to download Harmy's Despecialized Editions, Project 4K77 or whatever.

[@snakes3425]

I'll stick with those as well. I feel like how fans reacted to that release is why Lucas has refused to release the unaltered trilogy again and even banned Disney from doing so without his approval he did it once out of kindness, and to the "fans" it wasn't good enough.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Guys, you can make a copy with DVD decryptor on your PC and upscale them to 1080p with HandBrake (which is free), did that yesterday and was astounded at how good they looked taking almost fullscreen. If you do that i recommend checking allow upscale, keep fps as source and adding all language and subtitle tracks. I cannot stress this enough, the original unaltered version is in that disc,more consistent than the despecialized version, it just needs an AI upscale on PC.

[@TheMovieAndCartoonFan]

I need those tears for my drink. Taste like whiny crybabies and I love it. Seriously though, George Lucas never ruined Star Wars.

[@thekidfromiowa]

The fandom really did him dirty.

[@hermonymusofsparta]

No they didn't

[@lukespillman1313]

They sure did. Now, they want him back.

[@hermonymusofsparta]

@@lukespillman1313 No. The prequels were bad and Lucas refused to release the theatrical cuts of the OT on Blu-ray. There's nothing morally wrong with fans not liking everything he puts out. Other filmmakers like Stallone actually listened to criticism (Rocky 5) and then made a better movie (Rocky Balboa). Lucas was too proud and now the kids who grew up with the prequels defend him because they have nostalgia glasses.

[@spiffinz]

He made his own bed and now has to lay in it

[@ishguy524]

This is why, Makes me glad he sold the franchise So he doesn't have to do this again. because he is climbing up to be 80. Why work on it again? People love these movies so much, I think they have a religion. This movie was cringe And george created 6 of these movies Yet nobody wants to respect him.