THE PERCUSSION REVOLVER 1858 MOD

[@cathiemaxey776]

Well explained Sir. Always learn tricks from your Videos. I've shot C&B Revolvers for 40+ years. And have learned some good info.from you. Thanks. Keep up the good work. It may come to the point, that we might have to rely on these Guns, once again to protect ourselves.

[@jameshorne9351]

Thank you for doing this video. (Even though that issue was on a Colt I bought) I bought an 1861 Navy by Navy Arms (Uberti) manufactured in 1975 at an auction recently, it was an estate sale gun & when I got it, it didn't work. The cylinder was stuck, you couldn't even cock it. Ironically that was exactly what was wrong with it, the grease was hard. Hell even the loading lever was stuck. After I took it apart & cleaned everything it all works great now. I will make sure not to use petroleum based grease! I'm also going to cut my Remington cylinder pin. Thanks for the great tips! I actually found your channel by recommendation from "Lame Beaver" & I'm glad I did.

[@DontKeeptheFaith]

You're a freaking genius. And that's not just the whiskey talking.

[@D5quared91]

Blackie this series is just awesome and some of the best cap n' ball revolver advise and knowledge I have ever come across. You are one of my all time favorite KZbin channels, THANK YOU for your videos!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

glad you found it of use..safe journeys

[@soonerpgh]

I agree! I've learned more from this channel than all the rest combined! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@jefflang6271]

I made this modification to my stainless 1858 Remmie. I never really believed it would do much of anything but to my surprise it made a big difference. I heavily greased the notched pin with Bore Butter and it kept the cylinder turning smoothly through the 25-30 rounds I shot. It used to start stiffening up after 2 cylinders.

[@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV]

When I was stationed in Heidelberg Germany in 1988 Master Gunsmith Thomas Schmetzer recommended to me boring rings around the Remington cylinder pin which I had him do and lighten up the hammer spring tension all for 100 DM. I noticed an immediate improvement. I have also herd that by having a stainless steel collar bored into the surrounding cylinder pin hole should stop fouling from entering the cylinder pin. Something to further look into. I also found that a mix of 16 oz Bar of Pure Bees Wax and 14 oz of Coconut oil makes for the absolute best Black Powder lubricant to arrest BP fouling. Good educational video. Please keep up the good work.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you for commenting..and thanks for the advice i found grease groves on a rem to be a big help with fouling....i have some of your bullets on the way i will be doing some shooting tests with them... i look forward to it...safe journeys

[@TomKappeln]

Thank you for your service, greets from Germany ! Semper Fi.

[@soonerpgh]

Tell us more about this lube. Do you just melt and mix the two?

[@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV]

@@soonerpgh Thats it. I Carefully stir once the entire mix is melted with two Chop sticks and then Carefully pour into the cookie tray wait to solidify and cut into strips with a Putty knife . You can see this on my demonstrative videos on my YT channel.

[@soonerpgh]

Kaido Ojamaa, thank you!! I'll check out your channel as well!

[@davidmaxey656]

Listen to him guys this trick works very well. You will definitely notice a difference

[@blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194]

Great video. This is a great idea, the Remingtons always faul up a lot quicker than the Colts, now this makes sense to me, greese grooves and lube is the answer. Thank you for the info.

[@jsullivan9238]

I cleaned and lubed my new Uberti 1858 and the cylinder started to drag around the 9th shot. Rather than force things, I put it away. After arriving home I attempted to remove the cylinder. The pin REFUSED to move forward. I ended up using a brass hammer and drift on the T shaped head and it broke off the pin. I wasn't aware that Uberti silver soldered that 'shovel-head' shaped piece to the pin. I cleaned everything up and soldered the end back on the pin. That was 3+ years ago and I've not fired the thing since. Your 3 year old video perfectly explains why this happened as I was using wheel bearing grease. DUH! Thanks Blackie, all 6 of my 1858s will get this and your deburring mod very soon. ~Montana Jim

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

HOPE IT HELPS YOU!..SAFE JOURNEYS

[@jsullivan9238]

@@BLACKIETHOMAS A followup question if you have the time Blackie. I got some Crisco and 2 Lbs of pure beeswax blocks. From what I saw in your video, it looked like the stuff you were wiping on the cylinder pins had the consistency of wheel bearing grease. I'm thinking about making up 3-4 jars to grease for various temperatures. Would I be better off just using a thin vegetable oil on the pins?

[@neuforteils4479]

Thank you for your advice. Not the first time your vids have been useful to me.

[@jeffrichards5106]

Great and simple mod Blackie, appreciate the advice and knowledge.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

No problem 👍

[@joeabaker57]

Blacie, Ive been shooting bp revolvers since 1974, never knew this thank you much.

[@willblumenkemper6523]

Natural lube is so important. Thanks for mentioning. This is why black powder is so hated. TC Bore butter is a great choice along with crisco, lard, or tallow.

[@celticdude4686]

My wife and I really enjoy listening to your videos. Thanks for the good advice!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you for your kind words...safe journeys to ya

[@michaelbrunner6654]

Thx for the percussion videos, I've learned a lot on them. I've always had rifles till this year .I bought a rem.1858 or new army this June. First cap and ball revolver.

[@survivedsavedjohn1468]

Hello Blacky. I also am one that appreciates your videos and how you present them .you're very focused very patient very knowledgeable which makes for a very interesting video. you're very prepared in your presentation and it's just a lot of fun watching you. I've got two 1858 1 uberty& 1 peitty. I have one 1861 Navy 36 caliber. I'll be adding the file marks to the 2x58. Thanks for all your hard work.😎

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you for your kind words..safe journeys to you

[@SteveAubrey1762]

Blackie, I've been living/ breathing old style bp guns for pert near 35 years now . I have to tell you, of all the folks I've seen on you tube that talk about our type guns, YOU really know what you are talking about! Best regards, JA

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you..i hope to have more videos soon...safe journeys

[@hamm6033]

Hey my friend, (sorry this is so long) I have been using bee's wax and lambs tallow. I came across the information in a number of reference papers and articles that in the day it was the prefered lube bar none. For patch lube, lube for the mechanics of weapons, preferences for both by the US Army in their manuals. Because lambs tallow doesn't go rancid at room temp. I found it available through Dixie gun works. I use a steel bowl on top of our crock pot as a double boiler, as mix the tallow with pure local bee's wax, and Cisco ( when I want it thinner). 1 cup - 1/3 to 1/2 cup - (thinner 1/3+). I had seen a previous video on the grooves and it works great. I used a thread file for 8-32 thread to not go very deep. It is a bit of a specialty tool that I use in my profession. All the above is inspired by your videos, and because of your instruction I have a pair of 58's that the actions are smothered as glass. Thank you.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you..glad you found it of use..

[@nojustno1216]

Very sound advice that will make a world of difference. It DOES work.

[@lonestarprepper0156]

Made those notches when I saw you first mention it on another vid. Great simple mod. Thanks. Love my pietta 1858

[@KathrynLiz1]

Cool....Great advice as always Blackie.... The only 'modern' lube I have found that works on Remington base pins is "Pro Gold" which is actually designed for stainless steel auto pistols. It's great at preventing galling on s/steel and seems very persistent in that it stays on the base pine where other lubes tend to disappear. My Reminstons are Stainless, which is why I tried it in the first place, having used it on auto pistol before. It's very soft in consistency, but 'stringy' like chain saw bar lube.... there's a word for that.... thixotropic I think.

[@johndeeter4030]

I thought of doing that to my Remy's and my Spiller and Burr..SO I guess I now have your seal of approval..Thanks..Really love your videos also..

[@independentthinker8930]

Really appreciate your videos, a wealth of knowledge

[@carlcox7332]

I found that lambs tallow , beeswax and I throw some pure almond oil into the mix for a winter mixture or food grade mineral oil works great for bores and internal parts as well. The almond oil makes it a little softer when it's cold outside and I adjust my tallow wax mixture a little. It's also great for dry cracked hands from cold weather as a bonus lol.

[@omnivore2220]

Yup. The more soft lube you can keep on the base pin the better.

[@billwessels207]

Thanks once again for some really good info backed up with experience to speak for it.

[@Seidowas]

man, i'm new in black powder and i had the same idea on my 1858 ! Greeting from France your content is great !

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thank you very much

[@Mrtubbs56]

It does work. I got the idea from an earlier video Blackie did in the Percussion Revolver Series. Bore butter works ok, but Crisco is better.

[@james_lessick892]

You are awesome thanks for all you do.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

thanks..safe journeys

[@markperez8265]

happy new year. love the series of videos. just got another '58 Remington in the mail today. time to prep it per your suggestions.

[@survivedsavedjohn1468]

On my Uberti I have not fired it yet .I was considering buying a 45 Long Colt conversion cylinder from Taylor's but I just can't justify $240.+The gun already was over $350.I guess I'll just make it a Pyrodex and round ball or conical. My peitty does begin to bind up rather fast. This im sure will make a huge difference. Thanks Blacky have a good day...😎

[@timesthree5757]

I have found that if I round out were the flat meats the round on the base pin it does the same thing. He right about lube.

[@paultrimble9390]

Sweet gonna do it Thanks Blackie. Good stuff.

[@USAACbrat]

We, my brothers and I, used to keep a Pickle jar filled with Kerosine just to free up frozen Remingtons. It seems that season opening for black powder always rained. We carried Pistols to kill wounded game.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i have used kerosine for lots of such jobs before

[@biancaramirez5788]

Mr Thomas, I've fired many a gun but fell in love with cap and ball, especially brass frame. I've had open top colts both in 44 had one rip apart after a misfire. Now I've got the Remington repro in full brass. Shot a full six out of the box, just about broke my wrist loading 30 grains of pyrodex p with a 451 round. Had two years with colts and never an issue. What's the best p rated load for the Remington?

[@justinshepherd4020]

So after some 3 monthes study on percusion revolvers,I took your advice and hunted down a never before shot peitta in an oak box.it came with spare cylinder ,bullet mold big nipple wrench,lil nipple wrench,one spare set of pietta nipples a straight capper 100 hundred number 10 caps,and 100 .451 lead ball.and some bore butter thats so old its ruined more or less.All for the low low price of 300 dollars cash,wich i thought sweet for brand new un used in a oak display box.oh yeah 8 inch barrel.im now working up the nerve to file these grooves and have cylinders reemed.its a 1858 new emodel army remingtone clon

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

good luck and be safe

[@justinshepherd4020]

@@BLACKIETHOMAS so after some trial and error i been makeing paper cartridges in my 1858 today i had a sorta miss fire or maybe the cap pushed the ball out just enough to jam the action and simotainously had a damn cap jam.picked cap out and tryes like hell to get cylinder out till i figured out that the ball was holding up the action not the cap jam.so i took my cleaning rod and beat the ball back into the cylinder. Recaped it and it squib loaded the ball on out at maybe 100fps. BUt i figured it out and got it working.dont know why i shared this with exept maybe you might make a video about a situation such as this .i am new to black powder so it took a lil doing lol.

[@LarrySimkins]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I appreciate the way you explain things, Sir! [>

[@tnp5272ify]

I need to replace the loading lever latch pin on my 1858 new army Remington. How do I keep the pin in place?

[@mikekroenke]

Did you cut that barrel off the '58 or buy it that way? I have a short barrel '58 and the loading lever is kind of short and hard to seat balls. To help the problem I made a little piece of pipe to slip over for a cheater bar.

[@351WINCHESTER]

Great idea Blackie, but would it not be best to cut v notches & have them offset top to bottom & side for more lube capacity?

[@sallysoper4038]

Hey Blackie, what kind of lube do I apply to my newly cut cylinder pin? Cylinder lube or my regular gun grease?

[@mrkwnklr]

Thanks Blackie, your vids are short on bs and long on info. Just finished this mod, it was a problem with my 58 Pietta Navy. I used a few applications of cold blue afterwards. On another note, I did a trigger job on her, got rid of long creep and lowered pull significantly. Really helped accuracy for me. But have one cylinder that fires 100fps slower than the others, I assume it's an alignment problem. Only ran thru two cylinders during test so will try to reproduce those findings making sure powder wasn't compromised by lube.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

a slight diffrence in powder..loading compression..or the inside of the chamber may be a bit bigger ..that and many factors could cause a flux in fps..as you said repeat test..and if it hold up mark that chamber for the empty when carrying hammer down on a empty..thanks for the comment..safe journeys

[@mrkwnklr]

First thing I did with this gun was mark a chamber so I could tell which, if any, gave me trouble. Think it was your suggestion in 'sighting in' video. Great advice! Just found the cylinder bolt/stop to be worn badly. So will replace it before any more tests. Thanks for the reply.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

glad my video was of help to you..i got more to come..safe journeys

[@D5quared91]

I did this mod to my Uberti 1858 and it works GREAT. Went from being able to shoot 2-3 cylinders before binding to about 6-7, same load and same lube as before. Awesome modification!!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

glad you enjoyed it

[@morgaj21]

Nice one, will certainly give this a try on my Pietta.

[@Traveler1226]

Is there a certain number of notches you recommend? I'm gonna try this. Cylinder binding from fouling is my ONLY complaint I have with my 1858s. I used Blackies advice to modify the nipples on my Pietta Colt 1860 for cap jams and it really worked.

[@tomslongguns443]

Blackie got a question, I went hunting with my walker revolver,had it loaded in five Chambers,hammer down on empty chamber. Setting in my deer blind, had it laying on a stool beside me it fell off. Ok, pick it up ,look fine, no dirt in it, but if I pull the hammer back it works ok, but let it down and it want pull back again. What happened?

[@clarkcantley3534]

Just curious Blackie...what part of Alabama are you in?I see we have the gentleman from Eras Gone out of the north part...I am glad to see that wealth of knowledge in Black powder seems to be a running Alabama theme on you tube...good to know

[@RushBuzzing]

Good advice, thanx for the tips

[@dadsausmchero]

Very good info.

[@arctodussimus6198]

I’ve been shooting my 1858 Remington over 20 years now. Always put unsalted crisco on top of the ball after loading, to prevent the blast from accidentally sparking the next chamber. Would this take the place of lubing the barrel before firing? I always clean the barrel first anyway after the pistol has been in storage for a while. But I haven’t been lubing the barrel.

[@billyhenard1473]

Hi I am going to do this mod on my new Pietta Remington Sheriffs model but before I do I want to make sure I understandthe process. When filing the notches are you putting the notches on both sides of the base pin or putting the notches on the top of the base pin and on the bottom of the base pin ? Thanks

[@billyhenard1473]

Hi Blackie I am still waiting to find out from you whether the grooves for the Remington base pin is on the left and right or on the top and bottom? I can’t tell for sure by watching the video. I just want to make sure before I cut them. I know you have been really busy , but if you can find a second to answer I would appreciate it

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

holding the revolver in the normal firing position the grooves are cut on the top and a bit on the sides the bottom of the pin is flat..i cut mine with a triangular file.. dont go crazy..just a good deep scratch is close enough

[@billyhenard1473]

@@BLACKIETHOMAS Thank you much Blackie I will scratch the grooves with a small triangle file about just enough to to catch a fingernail in.

[@donaldrhea1414]

Thanks, i'll give this a try.

[@teampunisher7407]

Have you ever used Froglube? I’m going to give it a try, I put it now on all my pistols & rifles... Does wonders on clean up because fowling no longer sticks, you just wipe it off...

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i have not tried that yet..been a fan of bore butter for 20yrs..might give it a try

[@stinger4583]

I'm going to modify my base pin right now. Thanks for the sage advise.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

your welcome..safe journeys

[@John-wu3ii]

Blackie, thanks, another good one. I have used Bore Butter in all of mine, would Crisco be better? Which do you prefer?

[@PrimitiveOverland]

I'm lazy. Is there a oil that i can put in a bucket and submerge it in after shooting so I can come back to them later to clean?

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

get a plactic dish pan add hot tap water and dawn dishwash soap.. take grips off remington dunk let set 30 min remove rinse and then run a brush up and down bore and chambers rinse again dry and spray oil your done 10 min tops

[@theconstitutionalist5617]

Do you have a video that I haven't found on modifying 1858 Remington to load and shoot paper cartidges easier? I've was told you have to cut and file the frame wider to do so. Was also told the replicas have that issue not Remington design from that time era... just poking at your wisdom, thanks for you videos

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

sorry i do not thus far mine have loaded fine and needed no mod..

[@charlie1637]

have you seen the mod where they will leave the frame and add a tube to the cylinder? backwoodsman magazine mar/apr 2017 vol.38 no.2 pag. 60

[@charlie1637]

releave

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i have seen that..it does like the colt single action army..cyl..it had a pressed in sleeve to give a extra turning surface incare of fouling..it would work as well

[@edwardsmith5234]

Blackie just ordered the 1851 navy in 36 cal. First time with black powder. I saw your video's on cleaning, but do you take the trigger and hammer out after shooting every time to clean, or just ever so often? Thanks for all the percussion revolver info. BTW as others have said best black powder knowledge I have come by. Thanks so much!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

if i plan on shooting the gun in the near future i will leave the internals in place..but if the gun will be put up for a week or more i will do a detail strip and clean..glad you found the channel of use..safe journeys

[@edwardsmith5234]

Thanks

[@DonziGT230]

What do you use/recommend for lube for the pin and balls/bullets? Also; do you use wads, and if so do you lube them?

[@jakelanningiscool]

Could you theoretically use Burt's bees chapstick to lube certain areas? I think it's all beeswax, just curious on your opinion

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

it would i think being mostly beeswax

[@marioromano6555]

I already Use Butter Flavored Crisco (since I'm already using it for Cooking...Seasoning Cast Iron skillets...) LOL But Thanks for the tip!

[@terrysmith8714]

All Good stuff. Cheers

[@keneutervalve9459]

Great videos hoss, new sub, new to black powder, and thanks for the great tips. Still looking for a deburr video on the 1858.

[@sundaydriver206]

Can I do this with a blued base pin?

[@toddy2519]

Blackie, Such great info...thank you! I want to ask how you feel concerning lithium grease (soap) as a lubricant? I remember in an NRA publication from the 1950's where a discussion was held about cast bullet lubricants by Col Townsend. He found lithium grease to be the best except it was so soft that he didn't deem it practical. For me, I found water pump grease (lithium,) with a plasticiser, works well with round balls except I don't cover the chambers of my BP revolvers, I simply roll them in a pie pan with a very thin film of the grease on the bottom of the pan. So far it's worked well...any thoughts on this? Again, thank you so very much for all the time and effort you have taken to share your vast knowledge and experience with all of us!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

your system sounds like it should work..the one big factor is. the gun is well lubed when it fires..the fouling is kept soft between shots..and it washes off easy with out and special cleaning...thanks for the comment safe journeys.

[@KH2837]

Great info! All 3 of my 1858's bind up! My next question is was your 58' already a 5.5 or did you cut yours? I've got a pair I want to cut down to 5.5 but I'm pretty nervous to try it myself! Any info I'd appreciate...Thanks

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

mine was already a 5.5..a good gunsmith can shorten the barrel for ya pretty easy

[@KH2837]

BLACKIE THOMAS thanks...I know I can probably buy new 58's already in a 5.5 for about the cost of the Smith work but I've had my 58's for a really long time so I'm partial..thanks for the info..

[@jany441957]

What's a kind of hat? US Cavalry, Canadian or Scout?

[@gmfan7044]

So which would you prefer for a first black powder pistol? I would prefer .44 cal since I have a mold.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i would suggest the remington 58 as a first percussion revolver..the solid top strap and fixed sights area bit easier for first time shooters to be accurate with...44 is a good choice

[@gmfan7044]

blackoracle69 thank you

[@michelharvey6660]

quel est votre préférer, le Remington ou le colt ?

[@robertmiller4580]

Can bore butter be used for the lube process or should only things like cisco or that type of lube used

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

bore butter works very well.its my favorite actually

[@barefootbob1269]

I like bore butter and it smells like bengay. Down side is it gets soft and sloppy in the warmer weather. I have found a mix of crisco and beeswax work awesome year round. I have used it in the teens and in the 90s stays very stable. my mix is 4 oz bees to 16 crisco it keeps guns running smooth.

[@patrickmitchell100]

I used Crisco im my 51 and it turned gummy cylinder was completely stuck any idea way guys using goex powder ?

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i quit putting crisco on top of the chambers too it just made a gunky mess..wonder wads work better for me..plus in my hot summer south crisco would melt and run out of the chambers.. however ..if you try adding wax ..like bees wax to the crisco..and blend them it does better

[@patrickmitchell100]

blackoracle69 good idea I live in South Texas and never thought of that to fix the issue of it melting thank you

[@DenverLoveless]

Is it ok if I share your vids? They're just great. Thanks for sharing what you know.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

sure feel free to do so..i put them up to share..safe journeys

[@randellhillspeaks753]

Thanks Blackie

[@ianhale4466]

I have hammer marks on the pin face, frame and barrel from having to hammer this damn pin out with a rock, 12 shots and ignorantly using petroleum oil was all it took to lock up. How i wish i would have thought of this beforehand.

[@TomKappeln]

I did it in a snake form with CNC ... great hint !

[@duecebigalowmalegigalow6332]

Hey curious if you could make a video on how to make bread in a mess kit

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i will add it to the list thanks for the comment..safe journeys

[@SaltyDawg-wu5kr]

HOW IS OLIVE OIL?

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

olive oil was often used back in the day as a gun lube..they called it sweet oil..if you mix it with beeswax..or parafin wax you cam make a base pin lube /bore butter type of thing

[@tomritter493]

Great tip iv seen BP. Guns brand new ruined cause ppl didn't realize that BP. Is that dirty corrosive and such andI have seen brand new rifle with a load in it for yr that ate through take care brother

[@cdawson198600]

Lone Wolf how about pyrodex in a dry loaded cylinder with tight caps?

[@brandyhouston2105]

You are genius I think...

[@rayfeltz8477]

Hey the vide! thank you!

[@kevinmarkham6385]

Hey Blackie, I did this with my revolver and made a video of it

[@gerardgilbert]

sounds like a plan.

[@tommygun2668]

👍🏼

[@danlawson1788]

Bees wax and lamb fat mixed together

[@tommcqueen3145]

👍