The Perpetual Battery And Wave Generator - How I Think They Might Work

[@mechanical1955]

Not trying something guarantees failure , true words my friend , Inventing and trying out stuff however risky or unlikely is everyones future

[@stevetobias4890]

"Not trying guarantees failure", could not have put it better.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nicely put mate

[@lubbock2704]

Robert Murray-Smith: *Exists*. Me: Excited! In all seriousness thank you for what you do, your words of wisdom are well received :)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Wow, thank you mate

[@RWBHere]

Thanks Robert. Having listened to what you said here, and after reading the patent, one thing really stands out: Make a unit which uses Carbon rods (or even doped Silicon rods) for one set of electrodes, and sheet Copper or other metal plates for the other electrode. You will then have one electrode which is a relatively poor conductor and another which is a very good conductor, and a higher current should be produced.

[@ylluminate]

Brilliant observation / isolation of this patent.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@josephgreany5597]

This is interesting and if it could be made to put out eought energy. Then it could be used for cabins out in the woods.

[@crawfish069]

I see a few people on videos like this don't understand the difference between "proof of concept" and "usable product". A proof of concept can be fun all by itself, simply for learning something new. A proof of concept just needs to have some elements tweaked to make it work better, and doing all that tweaking is how people can learn even more about the item. Knowledge is a good thing. RMS, you are an inspiration to us all by sharing with us your ideas and excitement. This is the same thing my best science teachers did for me, especially my computer programming teacher. His excitement about learning something new got me into programming when I was 12. Now I do it to pay the bills.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate - i really appreciate you taking the time to write

[@buccleuch7621]

Robert, Brilliant exposition and most interesting, stimulating and encouraging Please humour me and "caste not ye pearls of wisdom before swine." I am sorry to say that oh too many viewers here need to get a grip of themselves and stop asking questions that you have already answered, either explicitly or implicitly. I wonder at your patience and the obliqueness of all too many viewers comments. Please don't be too discouraged, as you are aware, I am confident, you are doing a great job. Not too sure about how happy Mrs.Robert will be about you putting it out there for all the world to share! lol

[@MrTubeuser12]

One thing I love about this channel Rob is you inspire creative thinking, thanks for all your hard work :) "Keep on going and the chances are you will stumble on something, perhaps when you are least expecting it, I have never heard of anyone stumbling on something sitting down" -- Charles Franklin Kettering

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - spot on mate

[@TerryGilsenan]

Suddenly a huge number of your vids are popping up in my feed.. Vids that I had never seen before..

[@tonyponsford]

Hi Rob, just a thought....column of saline solution...black body passive solar heater at base and heat storeage...return pipe for cooling water. Water will flow one direction in day and other direction at night...one small problem is the upstream/downstream...just musing !!! Regards Tony

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

interesting mate - I have been thinking about fluids in a pipe

[@delawarecop]

This from a Water Filter Cartridge Manufacturers website - "Each granule of carbon provides a large surface area structure, allowing contaminants the greatest possible exposure to the active sites within the filter media. One pound (450 g) of activated carbon contains a surface area of approximately 100 acres (40 Hectares)." 1 Hectare is 100m x 100m = 10,000 m^2. Each meter is 100cm x 100cm = 10,000 cm^2. I am not aware of any, readily available off the shelf product, that can exceed the Surface Area / $, than a Carbon Block or Extruded Carbon Water Filter Cartridge! You cannot possibly make a more robust, reliable, and efficient product for less than you can buy a Water Filter Cartridge.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you should make one and do a vid mate

[@GAMERwithASOUL12]

Wonder what would happen if the brass rods and where placed further away/ closer away as well. I am definitely blown away on the fact you can make power with such a minimalist set up. I wil l have to learn more about this super thumbs up!

[@CPeter0912]

Outstanding and inspirational as usual. Thank you.

[@Ludifant]

I think with the carbon rods in moving water, you get lots of alternating currents (when the waves go back and forth and upstream and downstream are alternating on a microscale because of vortices, eddies in the water) and putting them in series will cancel themselves out a lot of the time. So what I want to try is put a ac2dc before putting them in series, that might up the amperage a bit. This is fun!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I like the idea mate - let me know how you get on

[@CreativeCircuits]

Hey Rob, You could probably add a strong magnet to your set up and achieve some good results as well, this would be Magnetohydrodynamics. This is normally achieved with metal and is the result of surface area and a strong magnet and narrow proximity to the conductors and flow of ionized fluid such as sea water through these conductors and magnetic field. This can produce usable energy. It really is nothing more than a generator that uses the fluid in place of winding coils of wire of a generator.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you certainly could do that mate - and well worth doing

[@scottthomas6202]

I wonder if you could substitute other metals for that perpetual battery? They're doing a lot of construction where I work , and I have access to scraps , mostly copper and galvanized steel tubing. I'm a 10 minute walk from a small creek , so that's my power source . It's one of those things that you just have to try...

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate because yes you can

[@scotttovey]

Thanks Robert. It seems that the easiest way to differentiate the resistance between the two rods is to simply make them different lengths. There would be an obviously lesser resistance in a rod that is 1/2 as long, 1/3 as long or 1/4 as long as it's mate. The different lengths would likely work for earth magnets as well.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice one mate - you are spot on I think

[@scotttovey]

@@ThinkingandTinkering 😎👍

[@denniskramer9788]

Great thoughts Rob. For some more interesting reading check out William T Clark's subsequent patents...both as an independent inventor (ionic blood flow 'cleaning' and those patents assigned to Xerox....the king of charged particle commercialization.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

i will do mate - i have really enjoyed this patent and i have a respect for this guy so i am off to look at this patent list - thanks for the push mate

[@PressToDigitate]

Instead of (or in addition to) manipulating the Resistance of the Rods, have a go at *polarizing them* as well. One set of Rods could be surface-doped with an electronegative coating, perhaps using the Bromine that you've already got on hand, or Molybdenum Disulfide, and another set electropositive-doped Rods, perhaps with Calcium Carbide. By establishing that electrochemical potential difference without switching to corrosion-susceptible metal electrodes, I believe you will increase the current evolution of the electrode array. Such surface doping could be done in your existing kiln. Should it work, of course, then the future Carbon electrodes you are sure to make for this could be so impregnated from the start.

[@Barskor1]

I like that!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice ideas mate - cheers

[@victoryfirst2878]

I like your logic Robert. Hope something great can happen with you one on one with all the youtube viewers. Good day too. VF

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@diy-dash6103]

After seeing your first video on this device, my initial thoughts would be to combine the multiple rods in series, rather than parallel. I also thought that maybe using an electrolytic capacitors to make the series connection between these rods maybe more beneficial? Great work as always. Thanks.

[@Barskor1]

Very interesting and I have the kiln parts on order good times ahead.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Right on mate

[@alibabaneue-welt9602]

Great vid my friend 👍👍👍 , I thougt a lot about the soilde state clay electrode , thats open a new horizon for me depending for new batteries design . Because we also think how we can use the waterflow in the Atlantic ocean , the salt water can be an endless electrolyte . So gigant ceramic pipes in the sea ... ....

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Very cool

[@alexandracrawford800]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Especially if they were catching the run-off from the melting North Sea ice to power TED's and refreeze the ocean in part without generating more heat as would fossil fuel ICE's, gosh word selections can create Titanic conceptual collisions because of navigational errors! Already big business is gearing up to save millions of $ in fuel costs to sail around the Northern hemisphere instead of either the Suez or Panama canals. $ bears no sense in preserving the most diverse and stable of world-wide environments. Instead, we many are being pushed by so few, over a precipice, from which there is no return! By creating small eddy currents of survivability in this rapidly changing world is the greatest service possible! Would somebody please translate for me "Carborundum nil illigitimi!", Thank you.

[@lipeeno]

I have been playing with the perpetual battery and still can't get over how much fun it is! That simple design..I have a question. My meter is not as good as yours, but I think I am measuring bit more when I've literally draw lines on both tubes with pencil. I was thinking about your Baghdad battery. First is that just nonsense and I better get a decent meter? Second if not is it because of the difference of the resistance across the whole setup? Third if so is there a simple way to attach carbon on metal? Sort of ,,galvanised" with carbon? Idea is to create lines of activated charcoal on the tubes to get better surface area as well as the resistance.. I read this article about ,,bombarding,, the metal with particles but I haven't got even decent meter let alone that contraption 😂

[@michaelvaughn2287]

In welding there are carbon rods used in a prosses called carbon arking its used to cut metal. The rods themselves are an aerated carbon packed into a rod shape coated in a copper foil I think it could be interesting

[@stevetobias4890]

Excellent observation that really has me thinking. Especially about the salt water flowing motion, could a bank of plates (like your bronze and aluminum rods) be put on an ocean shore and generate enough current to have it worth the effort?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I don't mate the research is suggesting yes - but there is work to do for sure and a lot of research is going into these ideas

[@jagardina]

This is a lot to digest. I'm looking at the patent now. Patent no.: 4,153,757 for anyone wanting to find it on google patents. Curious if different salts makes a difference, different geometries, spacing, perhaps even different liquids. Would this work on a planet with liquid methane for example. Very intriguing.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

for sure mate - cheers

[@justinjanes3431]

How about a rod through the center of a tetrahedron shaped hollow receiving higher pressure salt water inside. Does it make sense to expand the surface area of the graphite clay into the hollow tetrahedron with a carbon rod at the center?

[@GerritEkkerd]

would be interesting experiment for someone to coat the underside of your boat with those graphite plates, like one thick strip and then a thin strip and then thick again and so on. Then hook it up to a charge controller and a battery and take your boat for a spin and see what you get. ( I don't have a boat)

[@Thrive-Off-Grid]

Thank you for these videos, I think Im finally starting to understand the cells Ive been working on.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

You are so welcome!

[@das250250]

My question gets answered here , very interesting and thanks Rob

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@xzendon]

I think I that making two arrays of parallel plates (maybe add multiple pairs of arrays in a row?) Would work pretty well. I'm guessing there's also some ideal gap distance between the edges of said plates. Fascinating stuff!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I would think so mate

[@justinjanes3431]

Regarding the copper rods - something id be curious to test is actually introducing a ferromagnetic pressure that coincides with the salt water. Let’s say for example we have a high and low pressure tube system delivering the salt water to the rods. In the high pressure side of the tubes can we use that pressure to rapidly propel a magnet towards the copper rod and create a larger difference between the two rod types? I’m a dad of three with no lab space to test my thoughts but perhaps someone can weigh in.

[@jamesross1003]

To create a larger difference potential, it would be interesting to use a short rod opposite a longer rod. For example anode carbon rod 25% longer than the cathode rod.

[@bertnma]

Would incorporating this into the bubler stage of an HHO generator be of any practical use if materials can be found to produce a usable voltage?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes

[@Ludifant]

For anyone wanting to look into charge seperation, the phenomenon is called en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_induction

[@Ludifant]

Oh, and this one is mentioned as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@MarkSeve]

Let me expand your mind a touch Robert. Think about this, where does an electron get the power to forever move around the nucleus of an atom? No really think about it. Science just brushes it off, but that little tiny electron is getting its power from somewhere, and its not from the nucleus. That power comes from somewhere. Have you heard of the 'etheric field'? Quantum mechanics describes it as an electric field evenly distributed throughout the universe, unaffected by radiation, or electromagnetic fields. It permeated everything and everywhere, with enough energy per square centimeter to power New York for a year. Wavegenerator: Water is good, but something referred to as quicksilver is much, much better. Geometry: square plates along the axis. Think Casimir Effect. Just a nudge from a friend.

[@justinw1765]

One time my spouse had a dream about how one could tap into the ether to run a light bulb. She doesn't think about stuff like that. Unfortunately, she didn't remember the details.

[@tank2543]

Okay I have some ideas. 1. Take a bunch of carbon wrap it in aluminium foil in a spiral (kind of like a Logarithmic spiral), Take a five gallon bucket and punch a reasonable hole in the bottom, put the aluminum in the bucket and let the water flood the system from the top (garden hose tap in the lid or some controllable way of putting it in water), profit? spiral motion would be best for imputing the water. My logic? What we need is a difference in resistance between the anode and cathode. The aluminum would be the cathode while the carbon would act as the anode. (I think I might have those backwards) This would allow the water to flow charge the system. 2. Buy a metal micron filter of your choice metal stuff it full of carbon and blast water at it from the side. Or you could get an aluminum micron filter and fill it with particularized brass. 3. Find better metals, Gold is expensive but would work great particularized, Graphene would be great, Whatever you feel is affordable to you and has a high resistance difference. I also have some ideas for your rubberband power machine. (Stirling engine? and paracord?)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice thinking mate - any chance you will do some videos on this?

[@tank2543]

@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm unemployed, under educated, and barely have enough money to put food on my table, else I would. I did fix some problems with this design by sleeping on it. Look up BioMaxx Series BioPellet Reactor, Fill this shaped design (glass jar should work) with bronze and aluminum beads. Input is the bottom and output is the top, Make sure the down spout is either rubber so no charge is collected or that its bronze as it acts as the collector. I would usually insert a lot of mathematical explanation but without the device in front of me and the tools to measure it I don't have the means to give you a better design based on math. (I am American but know the importance of using the metric system)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

@@tank2543 I get the unemployed and lacking funds mate - but the undereducated makes no sense to me - if you feel you are under educated - get educated - it costs nothing to read

[@tank2543]

@@ThinkingandTinkering I don't mean that I don't have the knowledge. I mean that I don't have the degree. I could talk about these concepts all day everyday. They are my life passion after all. But where I am from all they want to know is where you got your college degree from. I have a core understanding of the mechanics. I've read every book I could get my hands on for as long as I could. I have dedicated my free time to watching KZbinrs such as yourself, The Thought Emporium, The Modern Rogue, and so on. I love material sciences, quarky physics, and computer sciences. When I say under educated it's more... I lack the self esteem or the "proper" educational background.

[@tank2543]

@@ThinkingandTinkering I made a video and am uploading it now. I didn't get any amp measurements but I got between 1 to 3 volts showing. Maybe if I used the salt water transformer that you built previously I might be able to make usable power. I'm designing a better version that fits my budget and will try again when I get a chance. The url is going to be /gW5kzIuH3wQ and will take about 2hrs from time of this post.

[@chuckdank3869]

I just had the thought of hydro-dynamic graphite/clay (aka ceramic) fins under a hull or within an interior hull channel of confined water flow. In reverse, would applied current induce flow? Electro-hydrodynamic engine?. You do spark the imagination Rob! Be well.

[@Barskor1]

You could just plate the hull with tiles of differing resistivity horizontal to the hull so that you don't slow the boat.

[@chuckdank3869]

@@Barskor1 Yup. Possibly casting into the resin-based hull directly. If electrically propulsive then one would think that polarity reversal may apply braking force.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

like it mate and cheers

[@RICHARDLUKENBACH]

buy water buy sodas refill empty bottles with water take complete control of your water needs now. then your foods then transportation needs make your own on your own. recycle your plastics find new useful things never burn or put in garbage don't give others future problems. make your own electricity needs. make your own power packs, etc. don't retire just find a new direction to help yourself and others. make things for everyone simple use whatever makes it the best. create what you can see to do. magnets are cash money small or large use as money.

[@Allwestconstruction]

Nothing happens when you do nothing about it (LOVE) that statement mate

[@das250250]

Actually stuff can happen , others can get stuff done while i watch videos lol

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - indeed

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - cheers mate

[@matteoricci9129]

You could use pencil leads as different diameters carbon rod The composition should be similar clay and graphite, and quite easily accessible

[@klausfreis7202]

I wonder if using different kinds of screen mesh would work. The water can pass through easily and the surface area is quite large.

[@hyrtzhyro5497]

Hi! I just wished to clarify: which geometry (surface area, thick/thin plates, etc.) is recommended for both the upstream end and the downstream end of the device respectively? Should there be a difference in the amount of carbon in each material (again, between upstream and downstream ends), and if so, should I maximize the difference between the two? I’m very interested in building a somewhat optimized version of the rig featured in your “Wave Power: A Way Forward” video, but am unsure of what to get/make. Thanks so much for the constant stream of awesome content!

[@keithmcleod5662]

Metal ball on a pendulum, with two magnets at placed at 15/16ths of swing reach, neither magnet barely able to hold weight of metal ball for a fraction of second, but strong enough to complete the full 1/16th swing remainder, use the top arm of the pendulum attached to springs to create power or drive. Don't know if it would work but at least I am thinking! lol Can't afford to support you financially, but maybe I can supply a useful viewpoint!

[@q.e.d.9112]

keith mcleod What you describe is essentially a perpetual motion (over unity) device. Such a device breaks the absolute fundamentals of thermodynamics (The First Law) and unless pretty much the entirety of thermodynamics is downright wrong (in which case how did we ever develop heat engines?) then you’re simply chasing an alchemist-like dream. The first law says, basically, that you cannot get more energy (work) out of a system than you put in. Your magnets put some energy in when they attract the pendulum but they take it all out again when the pendulum swings back the other way.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

for sure Nate - I think the devil will be in the details here

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you don't think then that is something he can find out for himself? You are probably right here but if he looks into it he will undoubtedly discover something else - if he does nothing he will find nothing

[@keithmcleod5662]

@@q.e.d.9112 not chasing any so-called dream, just throwing out an idea, but with condescending reactions like this, I will make sure not to ask any more questions that might come to positive outcome!

[@q.e.d.9112]

keith mcleod Sorry if you thought I was being condescending. It was only my intention to give you an understanding of why physicists have rejected the notion of perpetual motion. Robert Keith might have discovered for himself that this idea won’t work, but he might equally spend a lifetime tinkering around with magnets in the belief that it was only a matter of “tuning” his system to get it to work. Plenty of others have. Fine, if that’s what they want to do, but they should at least be aware of why mainstream science is convinced it’s no more possible than making time go in reverse. It’s as fundamental as that.

[@daemonnice]

charge separation is a property of plasma, Gerald Pollack shows that charge separation also occurs in water against a hydrophilic surface, he calls this ez water, h3o2. This is also the water that fills your cells. Check out the Fourth Phase of Water.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

read the book mate but cheers

[@nordwarg]

hi there Murray cant you combine that generator with the wibrate generator when the water flow it shuld creat some nice vibration ??

[@AguaFluorida]

What you are saying kind of implies a similar device would work with air flow as well.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it does mate - flowing gasses will have this effect

[@ronneylyons4804]

@@ThinkingandTinkering stan meyer gas battery! Another part of his tech base that is science! I would love to whisper in your ear science of how what sector in physics for EPP and EEP. We should make that happen somehow..

[@scottc6270]

It absolutley works..i made a intake capacitor for my truck..it ups the mpg ...two opposite charged plates..sweeps negative charged ions and combines with the free ions in the fuel...helps it burn more complete...dont use copper it corrodes...try it.. cheers

[@ronneylyons4804]

@@scottc6270 mate can we speak quite. Lyons ronney at gmail com. Thanks this year seems to be the year

[@Thrive-Off-Grid]

Do you think heat plays a part in this. My plan is to build a ceramic engine using these concepts that could be fueled by any combustible source. I think you have revealed what is happening in my experiments. I still plan to use aluminum oxide for the cathode, my experimenting is primitive, but I think the aluminum has worked better on the devices Ive built so far. Ive also used copper on the back side of the graphite coated anode and that has seemed to improve flows. The Balancing factor is why I added the copper.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

heat will definitely play a part - here - of course - i have different things i must show - for example killing the idea that this is a galvanic effect - you would get a lot better performance if you used differnt materials for sure

[@Thrive-Off-Grid]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Right on; thanks Robert

[@Thrive-Off-Grid]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Ah ok Got ya, yeah there is something else on as I can tell you first hand that this will work indefinite as long as there is ( i know now) a flow. I did an experiment on my stove top lighting an LED I ran this for 12 hours.

[@kevinrubeniuk9726]

Thank you for your videos they are inspiring. I have a question? do you think you can generate power by playing a guitar?

[@stuffoflardohfortheloveof]

kevin rubeniuk You do.....that’s how the pickups work.....minute, which is why they need amplification 👍

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Yes you can but it is very very tiny - it's also the principle behind the wind belt

[@BobPegram]

Do you think that if these devices were scaled up, they could be a backed up ecological electric power source with very little maintenance?

[@christopheryoung6094]

I see it is creating milliamperes. I am wondering how may volts at the 11 milliamperes were you getting with the carbon system? Thank you!

[@jstrickl101]

Awesome stuff Robert as per usual. What comparisons do you draw between the chemistry going on here and the SWAG work of a few years ago?

[@stever197037]

Metals receive fields different. Some attracted to magnetic fields and some resist. Some better with heat. The difference potential is directly related to that difference. Same with resistance as you said. But that is only one of the potentials you can tweak. I would worry less about resistance though. Resistance is heat and loss.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

fair enough mate

[@ghostmandeak7305]

Always of interest mate

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

yup, and if we could see inside the liquid perhaps we would know the mechanism of charge storage & dissipation. Why does the capacitor store and the scariac merely resist ?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

they will do the same thing - it is a question of how you set up the system rather than the individual components

[@timsgaf]

will be interested in the generation from a tesla turbine. think i heard mention on one of Aaron Murakami's channel. thanks, very interesting.

[@brettmoore3194]

Hey , heard you talking about charge separation was wondering if you heard of a ELECTRET. I made one and put a solar charged battery with a 555timer for 60hz. I think it might be the first AC battery. It had to be step down quite a bit 12kv at 100ma. Neon sign transformer and hv diodes are cheap if you wanna have another project

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I know and like electrets mate - some nice motors made from them

[@brettmoore3194]

@@ThinkingandTinkering if I didnt loose everything to a mysterious house fire, I would post a vid but I only had a few things that made it through. ELECTRET lost its quasipermenant charge when the fire melted the dielectric material.

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

lord kelvin's water dropper does not work on triboelectricity. it works on charge separation when a continuous water stream breaks into droplets.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57851-9

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

@@ThinkingandTinkering yes, but those are not lord kelvin's water droppers

[@sofa-lofa4241]

Would be interesting to see what effect other sodium based solutions have, I've got a couple of carbon rods somewhere.... I'll have a play around and see, I think rods from different size batteries are a different diameter? Has anyone got any idea of the different sizes?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you might want to try higher charge ion carriers too

[@kennedy67951]

Hey Robert Smith, Thank you for your Great Work in the Production of these Mini Doc's. I have a Request if you don't mind. It Might be a Little Out of Your Field. But I think you can Handle It. If you Will. When I was a lot Younger, I did Research Into (NITINOL). Maybe you have heard of It. (METAL WITH MEMORY). About 50 years ago Research was done at the Lawrence Laboratory Berkeley Under Professor (EDWIN MCMILLAN) guidance Into this odd Metal and all It's Property's. Nickel titanium, also known as Nitinol, is a metal alloy of nickel and titanium, where the two elements are present in roughly equal atomic percentages. Different alloys are named according to the weight percentage of Nickel, e.g. Nitinol 55 and Nitinol 60. It exhibits the shape memory effect and superelasticity at different temperatures. Nitinol alloys exhibit two closely related and unique properties: the shape memory effect and superelasticity (also called pseudoelasticity). Shape memory is the ability of nitinol to undergo deformation at one temperature, stay in its deformed shape when the external force is removed, then recover its original, undeformed shape upon heating above its "transformation temperature". Superelasticity is the ability for the metal to undergo large deformations and immediately return to its undeformed shape upon removal of the external load. Nitinol can deform 10-30 times as much as ordinary metals and return to its original shape. Whether nitinol behaves with the shape memory effect or superelasticity depends on whether it is above the transformation temperature of the specific alloy. Below the transformation temperature it exhibits the shape memory effect, and above that temperature it behaves superelastically. Now under the Guidance of Professor McMillan there was an Engine Designed and Built. Using Hot Water on one side and Cold Water on the other side NITINOL Propelled this Engine. There has been other Designs made. Then Nothing. It's like the Entire Project Dropped off Into the Abyss. This Metal would be a great fit for some of your Projects. I believe it could benefit you in the Design and making of Batteries. My request is that you use it in some of your Designs and Possibly you could Build your Own Engine / Motor. This would in my Opinion be a Great Video Series. Question is. Will you do it Sir? Again. Thank you for your time Teaching all that want to Learn the knowledge you Freely Present.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I know Nitinol and the motor experiments you are talking about mate - it is a fascinating material - but I like to explore those things around us and what can be done with that - later it can lead onto exotic materials for sure

[@alicebingham9796]

i wonder if it would be possible to use the generator as a sort of solid state pump

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I dunno - nice idea

[@martinnash007]

How about using a metal gauze as the electrode as you will get a lot more exposed surface area than with rods or tubes.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

go for it

[@robdagenais3023]

can the two metal used in a airplane propeller or impeller and maybe a frequency pitch

[@2Langdon]

Very very good, thank you!

[@mikemcconnell2794]

You could try removing the wax from one row of rods.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

oh I thought about it mate - but I could more or less guarantee some folks would say it's just salt water creeping up the rod and reacting with the copper - sad I know - but I have to think about stuff like that

[@mikemcconnell2794]

@@ThinkingandTinkering yep. I know what you mean. Good work.

[@kyleb3754]

Use miniscule-power Bellows to make big waves (blowing upon water) and then do some wavy-things for fun and a new video LOL .

[@craigmccarthy9484]

Would this work better where the water is swirling .like when you take a plug out the sink.more contact on the surfaces

[@Barskor1]

The faster you rub so yes.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I don't really know mate - probably - worth a try for sure

[@das250250]

So this mechanism should increase current with velocity of water ? Can this be used to detect water flow

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I would think so mate

[@stevenbishop8625]

Very interesting, thanks for sharring !!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@DrDooDah]

Yup! Very interesting!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@PhiTonics]

I wish someone would give you a few million to make all these things a reality.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol

[@benthere8051]

Is the current flow a result of magnetohydrodynamics? If you put a strong magnet closeby does the current increase?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it may well do but that would make it a magnetohydrodynamic generator - it clearly isn't as there is no magnet - of course there is the field in the earth but it is going to be weak and make this direction dependant - but that isn't true

[@uivideo7637]

Great info, thank you.

[@jwioo]

Would it help if 1 of the carbon rods was copper cored, that would reduce the resistance and speed the path of the electrons?

[@Barskor1]

It couldn't hurt except maybe in costs.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

with a try mate

[@superktmduke]

Check out Viktor Schauberger, he spoke about there being an electric charge present in all streams and rivers.....very interesting fella, much like your good self Robert.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I will check it out - cheers mate

[@sarchlalaith8836]

Makes sense to me Question (unrelated but interesting) You know how none ferrous metals can be electromagnetically slowed (ie dropping copper through a powered coil) is there something that affects water this way? Causes it to flow unidirectionally, possibly being a (inefficient I know) sort of pump for fountains. My random thought and question

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I have no idea mate - interesting thought though

[@sarchlalaith8836]

@@ThinkingandTinkering fair enough, I thought I'd ask since you know some of the most esoteric knowledge.

[@Matriarchy_Feminism]

What is it's voltage?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

V=IR - you also need to think mate

[@pulesjet]

So just curious. What is the Current available from say one square meter ? What is the voltage of said current ? I realize the voltage would be a function of loading.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you have as much idea as me mate - this is early stuff for me

[@pkhockey9]

just curious as to how similar/different this is to your SWAG generator from years back?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it's pretty much the same thing

[@tinkmarshino]

More? carry on.. let's hear some more of your thoughts on this..

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

ok mate

[@danriddington]

Anyone else look at this and think about the great pyramids and the natural aquifers they where built on? Or even all the pillars of the old world, the air is a thin liquid after all!

[@gabrielibrahmbreivikrobich3956]

I find you have a great iq and very inter3sting video.. hope you stay a safe integrity.. bless you

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Thanks, you too!

[@fabrizioricciarelli]

Hey Rob, did your forget your salt water SWAG generator? Isn't this a very similar thing?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I didn't mate and it is

[@fabrizioricciarelli]

@@ThinkingandTinkering So, if it is, why you didn't mention it? You claimed that this patent (the wave generator) is awesome... but your SWAG is far better! I can, without any doubt, claim this because I built your SWAG...

[@Buzzhumma]

I wonder if Nikola Tesla used this concept as part of his Wardenclyffe tower project ?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I think he was more interested in frequency wasn't he?

[@Buzzhumma]

Robert Murray-Smith i am thinking along the lines of resistive difference to create the resonance he needed . .....as far as i know its not just about the voltage potential between ground and the atmospere but concepts like resistive difference may have contributed using the atmospheric moisture as the ion transfer ingredient !

[@justinjanes3431]

Electron Proton Neutron Mouron are there notable values of resistance? For example the scaling of frequencies have values that produce interesting results I think it was the university of Washington (states) that used a specific sound frequency introduced from the exterior of a tube to create sono-luminescence in a tube of ocean water.

[@Ludifant]

I think this is Robert´s favourite song (Sung by the amazing Kevin Kline): EXPERIMENT! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ28dquwaZmeZrM Seems to be much the same message in song. Off to infinite joy and merriment.. Lyrics: Before you leave these portals To meet less fortunate mortals, There's just one final message I would give to you. You all have learned reliance On the sacred teachings of science, So I hope, through life, you never will decline In spite of philistine defiance To do what all good scientists do: Experiment! Make it your motto day and night. Experiment! And it will lead you to the light. The apple on the top of the tree Is never too high to achieve, So take an example from Eve, Experiment! Be curious, Though interfering friends may frown. Get furious At each attempt to hold you down. If this advice you always employ The future can offer you infinite joy And merriment, Experiment and you'll see Be curious, Though interfering friends may frown. Get furious At each attempt to hold you down. If this advice you always employ The future can offer you infinite joy And merriment, Experiment and you'll see

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome mate lol

[@chuckdank3869]

That's brilliant! Thanks for posting.

[@AlTofanelli]

Thanks for another great set of videos. I just sent you a message from the web site regarding my last order. Please get back to me as soon as you can.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I'll check and will do mate

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Ok, so I've read the patent. He misses the point that he's also invented a flow meter - doh! Interesting in your idea about resistances and the current flow speeds. I wonder if the observed effects with the 'cold fusion' experiment could have been related to that too. For non corrosive fluids I think having one sheet of brass and one sheet of carbon might work well, perhaps just spaced like two capacitor plates with fluid flow between them. The idea of resistance tuning via geometry I'm not sure about - the logical conclusion to that is to stick a resistor in one side of the circuit - which makes no sense. I suspect then it's a property of the _resistance of the surface_ so you'll have to go for two different materials - but we'll see!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I like that attitude mate - we'll see is a goo view to have in my book

[@wiffleduster]

Now make a photon vortex in a magnet with a transformer

[@jasonwitt8619]

I wish i lived by the ocean, I would be wiring up free power from the ocean.

[@fryncyaryorvjink2140]

Put that on the underside of a boat, as it goes faster power increases

[@ronniepirtlejr2606]

What pulls a stick in the shape of a Y to water in the ground or water pipes? If you hold the stick apart with your hands at the top of the Y then place it level at your knees, with the point of the stick pointing in front of you. The stick will pull down with a strong force, when water or water pipes are in the ground below you! I made these sticks & played with them when I was a kid. Age 10- 13 yrs. Old. They have to be made out of a certain type of wood & fresh off the tree. (Evergreen types) I remember it being a very strong force! I doubt even a grown man could hold the stick level! Why hasn't mankind tapped into this power? It's not Magic! Even though people called it "water witching" witching has nothing to do with it. It's not some evil trick! There is a real scientific reason for this. I just don't know what it is? Someone told me it has something to do with hydrogen atoms but , who knows? I remember one day, I was in the backyard playing with this stick & a neighbor kid came over to me & said " you're faking that.... That's not real!" I couldn't believe He said that! I told him, No, it is real & it does it by itself......try it! He didn't want to, but I was persistent & placed it in his hands. I explained to Him, exactly how to do it. I stepped back about 10 feet & made a line on the ground with my shoe. I told Him, "this is exactly where the stick will point down". Then I stepped back. He slowly started walking towards the line that was between Him and I. When He got to the line, the stick pulled straight down. His eyes got big, He dropped the stick & then he took off running. The craziest thing out of it all was... He never spoke to me ever again after that! It's crazy how people look at this subject! Something unknown is considered Magic, until science understands it & I'm here to tell you, this is NOT Magic! Anyone can do it, if they know how!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

no idea mate and I suspect no one really knows

[@ricodegallo3060]

👍

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@me_josh]

You should redo this and actually wire it to a battery

[@gabrielibrahmbreivikrobich3956]

I had a dream about a battery that has an antena as is antena would blow the battery if not connecting to a ground and antena

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

odd dream lol

[@bridgendesar]

You couldn't use the earth's earth as one of the electrodes, could you?

[@fostroggalf]

Here's a link, patents.google.com/patent/US4153757A/en, to the patent (#4153757) on Google Patents if anyone is interested in reading it themselves.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice add mate thank you

[@DiyEcoProjects]

*Hi Rob,* just to let you know ive made you something. If it ok, can i send you an email and request your address so i can post it to you? all the best, kieron

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome - cheers mate - just replied to you

[@DiyEcoProjects]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thank you, got it :) will be in the post next week.