The POE2 Endgame Kinda Sucks

[@TrueVanguard]

What are your thoughts on the endgame in POE2? What's one thing you agree with me on and one thing you don't?

[@mosley3485]

I think the endgame content design in PoE2 centres far too heavily around "one shot or be one shot" as the sole medium of difficulty instead of creating interesting mechanics. We have all of these abilities but most builds rely entirely on 2 or 3 buttons which makes the game feel surprisingly shallow given how many options we have.

[@ArtIsLifeninty]

I can wholeheartedly say playing ARPG store manager simulator isn’t fun. I can see the value in trading when you are trying to get those last few stats on min-maxing your build. But good gear, gear that brings your build online. That should come from playing the game, not from farming currency to then trade with someone. It, for me, takes the fun out of playing a looting game.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

100%. They want loot to be random and not deterministic, and yet you have the exact opposite of that philosophy with a trade site existing. Let trading stay, but make crafting better. I think when you use any currency orb it should give you TWO choices for the affix it manipulates/gives you and you get to choose which one you want. Give us currency to make simple swaps to better suite our gear, like "swap elemental damage to one of your choice". I think that would go a LONG way at getting more people crafting and using their own gear that they found and made themselves. Even as someone who uses trade, I would LOVE to craft way more, its just too random, frustrating, and wasteful of my time and currency ATM. Its so much more satisfying to use your own gear that you found and built. I don't understand why they design it this way.

[@scrotumscratcher2474]

Ngl that’s a y’all problem. Many games that feature a trading market comes down to a certain item being traded for the gear. If you want non trades either ignore it and grind your way up or go play something else tbh

[@funnystranger3380]

@@ArtIsLifeninty i been getting more on the lucky side, I don't have that issue, I do focus alot of loot base builds in the start (probably why I don't struggle) every build i do will have at least 60% rare item drop rate increase. But I can easily see this problem with newer less knowing players. Also alot of people just walk over like 60% of maybe good loot I pick up everything and check the rolls..

[@marcc869]

So go farm some drops lmao. I don’t understand what the issue is. You don’t HAVE to trade if you don’t want to

[@ArtIsLifeninty]

@@marcc869 The ROI in farming an area for the hopes of good gear to drop also doesn’t feel good. Vendors only sock up on every lvl. with diminishing returns on XP gains for farming an area you'll hit a wall eventually. My comment is feedback on the current state. There needs to be a way to better craft your gear into gear that can work for you or meaningful drops from elite and boss enemies. Cause you're right, I don’t have to trade. But when the game is about min-maxing and feeling like a God. You're not playing it right if you're skipping out on trading for the 'answer' your build needs. When the obvious answer is trading that's a problem in my opinion. That is how the game feels at the moment, you feel like you need to trade or else you're just not playing your build. Because a lot of the power is in the items more than your skill tree.

[@Shiro_Okami5]

The level of death punishment is my biggest problem with the endgame. I'm fine with some death punishment to push you to be better. But the biggest annoyance is when I die to some BS, go back to the node and the map boss, expedition and all the fun node events are gone. Feels terrible I don't want to even retry that node.

[@funnystranger3380]

@@Shiro_Okami5 my only issue is losing xp I kinda like how the end game maps are punishing

[@vinnyx1342]

Bro I died a millisecond after killing a boss in ascension trial and I had to restart that horrid experience happened twice in a row I’m so over it

[@funnystranger3380]

@@vinnyx1342 you got this bro, learn from it. Once you get the hang of it. Starts being brain dead. Never lose focus intill you know the overtime attacks are done

[@TheyBenefit]

@@funnystranger3380 It's just not fun. The Trials need massive overhaul. Traps in ARPGs are inherently unfun and ruthless for no reason. Having to do 10 rounds of BS stacked on BS is excessive for a rehashed mechanic from POE 1 leagues, just to level your class.

[@JacobBalser]

i am so glad that people like you are actually being honest about this game. The fan girl dick riding from hard core POE cultists is stupid. They just wont admit that the endgame is bad. They just say "skill issue" anytime they dont have a real argument. The game overall is AWESOME. and i love that its difficult. But its way too punishing, to the point where it just completely discourages even trying again. Losing XP and access to a map after failing is a joke. Starting over is fine. Enemies being dangerous and hard to kill is fine. Wasting an hour of time and telling me to go fuck myself because i lost is NOT fine. The game has the potential to be an absolute masterpiece, but during the EA period we need to give real feedback, and not just yell "skill issue" at anyone who offers feedback.

[@doakesanddrax]

Almost every poe content creator has giving feedback and called ggg out on alot of things. They just aren't doom posting because they have played poe for years and trust the devs. And alot of the time it is a skill issue. It can be a very complicated game. It took me years off and on to get into it. Its just EA, give your feedback and let ggg cook.

[@charlesdci7120]

There shouldn't be a such thing as a wrong class. All classes should be developed to be viable.

[@collapsiblechair9112]

they're all good but many players only copy streamer builds

[@JacobBalser]

@@collapsiblechair9112 this is a stupid take. Some classes are objectively worse than others. Especially in trials. Some classes are just 10X harder to complete trials on.

[@AC30F5P4D3S]

@@JacobBalser Actually its a great take. What he is saying is 100% fact. People will always gravitate to what streamers do. Take POE1 for example, some streamer comes up with some build using some crappy unique(s) and then within a few hours that unique is now selling from 100 times more than it was before the streamer released the build. This has been happening for years in POE1 and will continue into POE2. And all classes are completely viable in the game. All classes will have their strengths and weaknesses. Some builds will better at certain content while weaker at others.

[@killakam_2297]

“Spent 3 hours to get no where”? No one told me this was a current state of Trials of Osiris video

[@TrueVanguard]

lol

[@LemonIced_T]

The end game is really awful, in my opinion. You have to trade to get good gear because crafting isn't viable without an absurd amount of materials, which never drop, and that feels bad. I hate that I have to rely on other people for good stuff because I can't reliably craft it on my own. Even with good gear + resistances + high hp and energy shield, you are still likely to die and lose everything, and for me it's just no fun. The rest of the game was fantastic, and I really enjoyed playing through the campaign and fighting the bosses and playing around with the passive skill tree. All of that content feels really good, but once you hit the end game the whole feeling changes and I'm just not a fan.

[@rabbyd542]

Just started Cruel. If the end game is completely insufferable to me I'll just try a new class while they refine it. I'm still going to be playing the game regardless.

[@doakesanddrax]

It is 100% more fun creating new characters and redoing the campaign lol. End game needs more time to cook. Early end game is a drag. Late end game is fun.

[@Unyuuxyz]

Finally someone not a fanboy telling the truth.

[@robbalito]

Endgame on PS5 is horrible cuz of the brutal fps drop...i hope they fix this so we can start play again...

[@TallgeeseIIII]

I agree completely, I die probably 1 out of 4 endgame runs (and around 3/4 if I stack modifiers) and it's just disheartening... I bought a bunch of good gear, got a great build, and I'm not bad with it, but you get nuked so damn easily and there's just nothing you can do about it.

[@Ryken_1]

Finally! Well articulated & spot on. It’s not the level of challenge that’s the problem in Endgame … ITS THE LEVEL OF PUNISHMENT!!!

[@celofficial101]

Major issue that I am seeing in endgame that not many are talking about. I am a deadeye ranger and I can solo T1 maps no problem. I join my friend (Titan Warrior) and the mobs are scaled up for two people. The scaling is so high that I will get 1 shot in T1 maps in co-op, the same map I can solo. The gear drops don't appear to scale so they raise the damage and health of mobs and drop the same crap gear so I am not scaling in strength by trying to push through the much harder co-op. After I am one shot, my friend lives and continues the map without me (because there is no rez in maps) and I sit in town thinking why even bother with the co-op? I am not rewarded for doing something that is harder, so I can do it solo which is easy and get the same drops. I literally can start a T1 solo while my friend finishes the one we started and be done before him. Then, the Atlas map is not shared, meaning the host has to choose the map and the other person can't see the Atlas, they are just along for the ride unable to give a suggestion on the next move cause they can't see the host Atlas. Not to mention the progress in Atlas map is only going to the host. So playing the endgame with friends really sucks and actively pushes you away from it. If your goal is to push maps it's far easier and rewarding to do it by yourself, making introducing a friend a liability to your experience.

[@Dezy623]

Agreed. Very boring. Feelsbad. RIP.

[@purdo84]

the xp loss on death, the map sustain, the one shots... these are all things from poe 1 that kind of have become part of the core identity of the game. i dont expect GGG to change them. the only thing ive found insufferable about the endgame so far after 100hrs in maps is that i lose all my portals on death... that definitely needs to change. map sustain is solvable if you know how to build your tree and roll your waystones. my sorc is tanky enough that i hardly die unless i seriously mess up so im not worried about losing xp. i wont say its a skill issue but it may just be a knowledge issue. PoE is not a game thats going to hold your hand and pander to you if you mess up. the game might simply just be not for you and theres nothing wrong with that. good luck and happy holidays

[@Uhaneole]

I realize it’s your job to hit endgame asap… but seriously if it doesn’t pay your bills, chill and enjoy the game… I’m actually digging figuring the stats out without going to a guide.

[@leon888111]

Reall

[@benjamindover4337]

IKR, I've played all the classes through act 1 while streamers are torturing themselves to farm maps for nothing

[@Hosenbund1]

Uh..the game already released over 2 weeks ago at this point.. if you actually play it and still didnt hit endgame, then you are simply really casual. you will encounter the same issues, just later. Some people also dont have fun replaying act 1 for no reason all the time like benjamindover. He is pretending that people are torturing themselves in endgame, while he keeps replaying a damn tutorial, lmao

[@turd0420]

​@Hosenbund1 act 1-3 + chaos are tutorial. "Endgame" is the real appeal to poe. But gameplay seems to revolve around tranding and min max slogging around. Imo going next is just more enjoyable than clearing a generic map for mediocre gains.

[@Matt-gf4gd]

Dude's got a backdrop of whiskey in a video about POE 2. I might have just found my soulmate.

[@Underachiever_Files]

Yeah, life is so much more than just grinding. That spirits collection must be so tasty btw, wish i was his friend 😂

[@Ms5000Watts]

You can watch his whiskey channel videos whilst grinding Poe 😂

[@joebenjamin7465]

Totally agree on the weird design of the trials and honour system. Forcing everyone into a particular gameplay style kind of defeats the point of build crafting. Neutering entire gameplay styles does feels very strange. My first thought on getting through trial of sekhemas as a witch was ‘damn this would suck as a tank’

[@funnystranger3380]

@@joebenjamin7465 that why It called trials. Naw it fine harder yes. All build are worthy if you make them good. Just meta builds makes good builds feel bad. That simple lol. Every class is good Everyclass has alot of builds. Just people follow brain dead meta

[@JacobBalser]

@@funnystranger3380 this is just objectively not true. at all

[@funnystranger3380]

@JacobBalser yes it is tru yes trials are harder for tanks. But all classes have up and down. I built a melee witch build doing t10 endgame. Built glass Cannons build heavy tank build that literally can't get 1 tap and put out good dps..

[@misc.2331]

You are 100% correct. In the campaign it felt like we were fighting boss after boss back to back and the endgame maps is just the worst part of the campaign played over and over again. Large maps with trash mobs. I don't mind having to do some of the that but at least make the maps smaller and quicker to do!

[@marlow21]

can ARPGs now just get rid "on death" explosions or effects or at least not outright kill you, maybe 5-10% life left if u get hit.

[@piotrskreczko7154]

Hating the XP loss per death and you die alot. I love the game and I'm level 71 but the end game is making me want to stop playing because the XP loss is taking away progress feeling. Hopefully they nerf it or take it out completely other than that the end game is mehh ok

[@AC30F5P4D3S]

If you are dieing a lot at level 71, then your build or gear needs some work.

[@SWAMPY_G]

I want chase items from set bosses. Thats 1 thing Diablo 4 got right. Does not feel good feeling behind because someone spent more money to gear up outside of the game.

[@Underachiever_Files]

An they all pretend they didnt rmt the shiz outta their characters 😂.

[@standylixgames7757]

Huh, in-game money bud, not real.

[@SWAMPY_G]

@@standylixgames7757 you've never seen a real money trade site and it shows

[@clarencegutsy7309]

This type of endgame may have been seen as great in 2012 when up until that point there were a small handful of games like Diablo 2 out there but in 2024 it feels outdated and boring. Mapping in its current state is a slog and even if you're progressing fine you'll inevitably hit this point where the sustain of maps runs out and you have to resort to going back to way lower tiers which don't really do much for you. The drops aren't as good, the xp doesn't even exist by this point, you run the risk of having to do maps with mechanics like breach on a much lower tier which feels awful and the entire thing is a big waste of time. Waystones shouldn't even exist anymore. Just let the player choose the tiers they've unlocked and use orbs to enhance them before they enter it. Beyond that though, POE2 completely abandons the whole slower pacing and methodical play it sets up with the campaign once you get to the endgame that it's jarring. Once you reach maps, it becomes a much worse version of POE1 in its gameplay and stresses repeating the same mistakes they wanted to avoid for the sequel to begin with. If your build can't one shot a screen full of mobs in a blink, it's trash because eventually the scaling makes it so the mobs one shot you. The fanboys don't want to hear it but the truth is POE2 in its current state is not in a good place at all. The excuse of early access can only carry you so far before you realize this game has been in development for at least five years and many of these decisions were greenlit to begin with.

[@Cassp0nk]

Honor is indeed rubbish even with the adjustment to damage from close damage. With ranged/prt classes you can simply take no damage all the way through

[@SpottedHares]

Honestly, the POE two endgame feels like it’s a residual leftover for when this was just a campaign expansion for path of exile one. But honestly, the biggest mark against the endgame is that the campaign drags on for so long and it’s so tedious it really kills how tedious and drag out the game is. They heard the complaint of the campaign is a glorified pat tutorial from the first game and made it even more padded tutorial.

[@MichaelM2K23]

I think that could easily be fixed by reducing the size of some of the maps. They’re absolutely insane, considering the pace of movement/gameplay.

[@robbieveness4397]

End game is bad but the levelling system is worst, the slow progression and terrible loot is bad real bad, pls this is not whinge it’s juts the facts

[@mikerobledo2750]

Yeah I been using the same boots and belt since lvl 20 and I'm lvl 53 now

[@x-Bsyde-x]

That sucks balls

[@collapsiblechair9112]

you don't need good gear for levelling

[@MDHDH-iy7nm]

the leveling is fine to me, at least through act 1-3, so i dont have much to say about the endgame yet, but upgrades should feel rare and leveling should be earned

[@frankmcclusky7870]

Too many unfun death punishments, one try on events and bosses is just awful. You also have boring nodes if you fail, just feels like a complete waste of time

[@IseltheOverseer]

Just quit over this. You also lose loot if you die to a stupid delayed after death explosion btw. When they fix their terrible design choices I will come back but for now they need to fix the terrible unfun BS in the game.

[@kenpachi2607]

This is good. I would link this on your Twitter and tag the devs. That way they can fix it. They want this kind of feedback

[@x-Bsyde-x]

Don’t understand why people pay money to be early access beta testers. But you do you ❤

[@HowdyHowdy_]

Im only at the end of ActII and my plan is literally to dip and make a new character by the time i get to mapping, it just sounds so unforgivingly punishing that it overthrows the fun factor.

[@kemical4chaos688]

In the poe 1 endgame you would lose xp, and most people enjoyed that aspect cause the whole point of poe is to make a build that can survive and do damage. i do think the endgame is a bit lackluster like you do but it will get better with time. wait for coming updates and the leagues when they get introduced. will make the game a lot more enjoyable with time

[@piotrskreczko7154]

So im guessing loosing XP is going to stay. Man I really hate thay feature. It's already very punishing to die.

[@clarencegutsy7309]

People "like" losing XP because they think it's some awesome hardcore feature when it has always been a shit mechanic that wastes your time. This doesn't matter if you're a NEET who collects disability every month or a streamer but to normal human beings I can't think of a faster way to make them quit than to take their map, take their xp, and take their time and toss them into the garbage. There's no way to recoup these losses like in a Souls game or even D2 which had the same xp loss mechanic but let you regain a big chunk of the loss back if you got to your corpse. It's trash.

[@kevinc8955]

My biggest gripe is the endgame builds are basically the same as Diablo 4. One or two buttons spammed on repeat.

[@Superkitty1800]

Low lv need press more buttons and more dodge… something is weird here 😂

[@SpottedHares]

Honestly act one is the Highpoint a path of exile too, and depending on your class it can actually be pretty fucking tedious. But honestly, it’s just all downhill from there.

[@gringoboy701]

D4? Bro its basically the same as POE1. Why even bother bringing up diablo?

[@yesnooo9029]

i absolutely love how anyone about to be honest about poe has to spend 5 minutes lying to themselves about how they're having so much fun and the game is only in early access and they really do love the game lmfao. looking at this game as a live service that will call upon the player base to come back, multiple times a year for different league starts, this game has MASSIVE issues. there is just no way that everybody suddenly loves how ggg doubled down on all of the complaints from poe1. tired of running the campaign again and again? heres a longer one. tired of archnem mobs? we got rid of map bosses and replaced them with archnem mobs. dont like running labs? we'll make you miss em. ggg simply doesn't understand the line between fun yet hard, and a punishing waste of my time that makes me wish i was still at work.

[@MarcusHalberstram69]

100%! I've never seen content creators so fearful of a community. It's beyond pathetic. And yep, this game is in serious trouble. No one is going to do this league after league. It's such an arduous slog. Way too boring.

[@AC30F5P4D3S]

I think when most people say the term skill issue for POE, they are mostly referring to a knowledge issue. POE is a very complicated game and there is no hand holding in this game like we are use to from todays games. I have 2500 hours in POE1 and I still do not know all there is to know about that game. Also this is early access and things will get changed and updated, buff and nerfed, etc. This is GGG, not Bungie, let them cook.

[@doakesanddrax]

Part of the problem is your thinking. Not everyone is meant to get to lvl 100. Ive never once got a character to 100. I have a feeling they will bring back 6 portal defense. Failing a map on 1 death just feels bad. Keep up the great feedback this is what ea is for

[@collapsiblechair9112]

The current endgame is a placeholder so i can't hate it too much. but it's boring. finding and killing annoying rares is meh. A map would be far better if we had to fight one of the great bosses from the campaign.

[@Furiates]

My favorite part about this game are the bosses, enemy variety, and ability to use more than just 5 or 6 skills. Way more build diversity if you want it but not forced. Still ofc the "meta" builds which there always will be. The loot, inventory, end game, crafting system, etc. all feel like tedious shit. Never played POE1 so hoping all the glazing over that game carries over to the actual release of POE2.

[@Kjarrigan1]

I think what they probably end up doing is to integrate the campaign bosses into the Atlas, otherwise it would be a shame to have them one and done as well as the boss fighting is really missing and it is down to just killing mobs. About the Waystones, I don’t know, you can also get lower tier ones dropped and upgrade those instead of buying. And I think from what I understand you are also not forced to go to the next tier if you don’t feel comfortable. Then maybe the Atlas progression is on hold, but you still get xp, gold and other drops … and hopefully have fun just striving through a Map and killing things. Good points made overall

[@loreneea4989]

I don't understand your point with the class pick rate, are you trying to say they're the two weakest? There's Poisonous Concoction on pathfinder that can get upwards of 1m DPS single target, and blood mage builds are currently one-shotting pinnacle bosses. I will say though endgame is way too punishing, not even because of the single portal or XP penalties, but it feels way too hard to get defenses to prevent those punishing deaths. Resistances are way too scarce/low rolls until you get very late into maps, and HP values are way way too low unless you just put everything into energy shield.

[@thomaspowers8140]

I am loving it so far, way different than the first one.. but i just started maps... good take though bro, glad to see you playing something else

[@EchoDoctrine]

I gave PoE a chance, maybe it fixes my issues. I hate the inventory screen with items different sizes taking more spots. I saw different ways to change what drops look/sound like BUT its an outside download… that’s annoying & dumb. “Loot filter” i guess but it made giant orange red green light streams show on loot and i thought that’s how the game should be or it should be in game option not a program I have to download and 3rd party then open folders to install. It’s just not for me I guess, I’ll play backlog and maybe even D4 instead tbh.

[@jonmichael7783]

Dude I ran maps an got tier 3 rares with worse rolls then regular. Trading is the best an easiest way to get capped an do ok. An that feels bad. I'll have some nice items but almost never get good rng rolls on it. I've gotten two characters to endgame..

[@Rocky_HS]

Im at Lvl 90, did all trials, clear T15 maps and i totally agree. The game feels incredable good in the campagne but when its come to the endgame, its rly boring. There are some Uber Bosses that needs an insane amount of time to even get there... The mapping system and also the amount of waystones should be fixed. Also the loot sucks in the end. I played a lot and i never get rly good gear. But hey, the shops offer me that decent gear rly cheap and now my charackter feels way more better. So i can farm hours of hours to progress or just use the shop... that also should be fixed. Its early Access and GGG is a company, which is listening to ther community. So lets wait. But i dont know how they will improve the endgame. I think the whole mapping system is kinda boring.

[@titanicjack6744]

I want to like end game, I’m trying to like end game. But I just don’t, and that’s alright because it’s EA and all the reasons I don’t are being pointed out by multiple people and are easily fixed.

[@1000byakuya]

You know what you summed up my issue with maps... i just hit maps did a few.. the feel i loved of act3 with the vaal is gone... im seeing every enemy thrown in random maps... Just boring.. what happened to that well cooked campaign.. all pf a sudden its just poe1 face paced combat again mixed WITH souls difficulty. NOT GOOD.

[@tips1pxl]

exactly my thoughts as well, hopefully GGG hears this type of feedback and does something. at this point I don't care to continue to grind endgame playing other games until they make some qol changes to it

[@DrewErickson-zz5uo]

Armor dr contributes to honour dr. Life and energy shield contribute to total honour. The honour system reflects your defenses stats. So building a tank still applies to your honour.

[@JacobBalser]

its still an incredibly shit system. There is no reason for it to exist. I have over 1500 honour, and got two shot by the two boss fight as the end of Trial of Wisdom. I was perfect the entire time, and then lost over an hour of progress because i got hit TWICE. its a fucking joke.

[@Revokd91]

I love it. Lots of variety and customization, problems to solve, can chase the content you want to run, can be challenging. Will be even better once all the systems are fully implemented.

[@Eustes]

The end game is too easy. T16 being easy at lvl75 and having all the gear you would want makes no reason to keep playing. Understand it’s early access

Noooo don't tell me that! I have not been to the end game yet. Hopefully, it gets better for all to enjoy with the full release.

[@funnystranger3380]

The game is fine, it in the alpha said by them 50% is not even out yet. It a free game but you pay to play half the game earlier lol. End game is fine can be little frustrating in maps but overall it decent definitely will get better. My biggest tip if you do decide to pay for alpha look for actual poe streamers. They will provide so much more information and more ideal how the game works. Element resistant is king in end game

@funnystranger3380 Thank you for the info.

[@harborwolf22]

Well, good thing they will be fleshing it our over the next year.

[@turd0420]

Why ive just been going next. Mapping is a boring crawl to make minimal gains. Would rather try out other new toys. Just finished with a bloodwitch using qauterstaves. I find more fun finding these goofy combos than just running meta and clearing maps.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

I actually love it and just think it needs a small few tweaks like map sustain, less punishing for deaths (it can still be punishing, just feel like its overtuned ATM), and some protection against 1 shots.

[@JacobBalser]

Bad take. The entire system is objectively bad. I like the difficulty, but losing XP, losing access to the map, and losing the way stone is all stupid.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

@@JacobBalser Dude, I agree with what you're saying. When I said "it" I mean the overall structure and setup of endgame, navigating the map, using any waystone for any area you've reached, the towers buffing areas, the atlas passive tree. I think its way better than what we got in D4 and Last Epoch's timeline system. It certainly needs the changes you mentioned, but those are just tweaks, they aren't massive problems IMO. Massive problems are what D4s endgame has, it needs an entire redesign and more content. What POE has now, the bones are there. Just needs tweaks.

[@circaen]

The start of Maps is a little rough. Way Stones are a bit too rare at the start. I think because they did the Cruel mode the balancing does not prepare you for Maps. You can get through the Acts without worrying too much about your defenses. I say this to say - the transition needs to be smoother so that it is not taking so much time to go through each map. I am a huge fan of the one way stone one death mechanic. Not because I'm elitist or because I have so much time on my hands. I've been working 60 hour weeks since the game came out. I like it because in POE 1 you got 6 portals & it was used as a layer of defense. This leads to balancing the game around it. I also just feel it cheapens the experience to some extent. I do believe they will change this as it is a huge sticking point with many. My hope is that they find a middle ground between 6 portals & 1 death. But I would like an Atlas Passive tree node that allows us to use the 1 death per way stone system for some loot buff or double way stone drops, something like that.

[@funnystranger3380]

@@circaen you can buy waystone... infinity

[@FMGInferno]

I'm still trucking through act 2. Pretty fun so far except for when the game freezes my whole PC.

[@Gl0wStickss]

POE has too many sweaty basement dwellers, so you get a lot of shit takes. But this video made sense.

[@Alice-yt9pj]

For me its the one portal per map thingy. Like if I wanted to play hardcore I would uhh you know play hardcore lol... I almost only die to on death or chaos stuff so when that happens I just stop playing for that day its just so off-putting. Like I need to rerun the map but just a far worse version so I just dont and quit playing for that day.

[@SIfaz]

I think trading is a bad system. I think just take it out. I'd rather find all the items myself. It's more rewarding.

[@Xo1ot1]

I don't have wife and kids + I consider myself a hardcore action combat enjoyer, and I agree with everything you said.

[@chuckironsight3914]

trading bots in full force auto buying and reselling , yesterday a ruby of regen was one regal, then this morning, one exalt, then as of now 5pm 1 divine. not even a good ruby of regen

[@jovanmcclay3297]

💯% I have limted time to play and instead of spending the past few days trading i decided to wait to get some uniques to test.... there was pages of them for 1ex.... now they are 1 divine 😂 in the span of 24 hours. Multiple items. Wtf

[@circaen]

This is how the start of every league is. As people get to the end game prices go up. Don't need conspiracies to explain what anyone who puts thought into it would know is going to happen.

[@jovanmcclay3297]

@@circaen dang everyone musta got to the end game at the same time and drove the prices up

[@circaen]

@@jovanmcclay3297 after reading you other comment I think you are just poor at searching. There are still pages of uniques for 1 ex.

[@Brian-ch6hg]

Thanks for the thoughts TV. Enjoying your content on this!

[@bentinbama1]

Unlike destiny poe actually has an endgame

[@CorpseD.Licioso72]

Nope! Those penalties are a HUGE Nu-Uh! Not gonna do it. The negatives being talked about would over shadow any enjoyment the rest of the experience may bring for me

[@goldenchannel4147]

Yeah, these trials are terrible for melee characters, with a combination of AOE spam and a flood of enemies rushing at you it's impossible to not get hit. You either have to be over-level or over-gear to pass these trials.

[@MarcusHalberstram69]

Kinda?! It's awful! This was the reason we had to play the first 3 acts twice, so the game could be released with a "robust endgame," according to Jonathan. When are people going to stop the cope and the glaze?! The game SUCKS! It's an absolute slog of ungainly combat. The crafting is gamba. Trading is necessary. The loot is terrible. Remember, "D4 bad" was started by the PoE community bc D4 launched with bad loot and a shallow/repetitive endgame. READ THAT AGAIN!!!!!

[@DarkPyroZero]

I'll say it, there shouldn't be a "wrong class", each class should be powerful in their own right, so the fact that there's classes that dont perform nearly as well as something like the Sorc is pretty disappointing, even in Diablo 4, each class felt powerful and did their job right (until Spiritborn, that one released OP)

[@Sylvine]

There are no "wrong classes". Every ascendancy has OP builds, some more obvious/expensive than others. Even bloodmage has an OP build with DD.

[@funnystranger3380]

@@DarkPyroZero if anyone tells you poe2 class are bad they are bad at poe2

[@espguitarist13]

@@DarkPyroZero every class has builds that are extremely strong at the moment. Just cuz some shitter told you it has low usage that doesn't mean its bad.

[@CringeConsultant]

I'm curious what classes you think are bad? Please tell me brother didn't see a "warrior bad" youtube title and run with it 😂 only thing that makes warrior bad is the person using him, those same people can make Monk look bad too because the can't dodge roll. Ranged is always going to be easier, but no class is the wrong class because you can and will always find things to make them gamebreakingly strong.

[@espguitarist13]

@@CringeConsultant this. Poe unlike other similar games let's the players build characters in so many ways. It's only the first bit of EA and people are finding crazy builds. Can only imagine how it will be in a few months.

[@mohamadn]

reached t10 maps and exit.endgame atlas is too blend and boring.extremly big maps with no boss or rewarding mechanics.also look of atlas is confusing and there is no way to find the best route to go. gearing is extremely hard with low crafting currency drops like essences, alchemy orbs, annulment orbs, or the lack of orbs like alterations and scouring makes it near impossible to craft the gear that you need. the only way to craft in mid-game is to find a base and exalt it with the hope to give it the mod you want and if it doesn't there is no way to fix it. vendor gears are mostly suck and their reset method is not good for end game.timer reset would work much better. the only way to gear up rn is to play blend maps and find exalt or divine orbs then buy extremely expensive gear. overall I enjoyed the game and will get back in a month or two after some updates.

[@HappyCetacean]

Glad to see you picking up POE2!

[@tonyfabiano3053]

I don't wanna have to be forced to do the trademark either, but i'm not getting good gear and have had no luck when I have crafted gear Not getting geeat stats. I have never played games online outside of a few games on Madden ultimate team. I don't even know how to invite people to my party. I know that there are step by step videos, but I don't care for online play and don't want to feel disadvantaged by just playing the game instead of trading.

[@insomniaddictesp]

GGG needs to hear this feedback

[@envoydroid4027]

I'm not there yet but hearing stuff like this makes me be in no hurry 😭

[@Buhry]

The performance when running maps on xbox series x is absolutely horrendous and it seems to get worse the higher you go. Screen tearing, extreme fps drops, feels very bad to play. makes doing the stuff like breaches feel borderline impossible. And with the performance issues its very hard to see what the elites are doing. Also the trials of sekhema part 2 is sooo shit. gotta do like 40 rooms? Suruival chalice there also has tons of frame drops. So when you have these perfromance issues and then you get to a cool map node and you fail it and then you can't try again it feels like shit. And also you can't revive in coop in maps which also sucks. End game has a lot of problems. Sucks cause the gameplay in the acts are awesome.

[@arthanor9631]

I've always been a campaign arpg player, all the way back to D1. I also enjoy cohesive design for narratives, spaces and enemies. I'll be leveling characters through the campaign. Random enemies on random maps is just boring and trying to hide that there's not much, when they clearly can design a good experience as they did it in the campaign. I'd rather replay campaign maps than random maps. PoE fanboys equating challenge with punishments are wrong. Punishment is what happens when you fail the challenge. Most challenging game are not particularly punishing, because they know you're gonna fail a lot, like in the campaign. Losing loot on the ground and map progress (ie all monsters respawn) is close to enough. You should keep the waystone, drop a positive _and_ a negative modifier and be allowed to go back. If you die enough, the node becomes an unmodified node, much like now, but it's progressive. Hell, they could even do an honor-like system, where you lose points for dying and maybe being near death, but that doesn't get all trained from one sudden death. It's good to challenge your players, make the game something you pay attention to instead of just a dopamine dispenser to poke at while watching youtube. It's not good to use negative reinforcement so much, especially for random occurances.

[@lucky3d341]

Pathfinder got huge buffs tho so the play rate might go up

[@murorder]

Kinda...... its dog shit. Main game is fun

[@standylixgames7757]

I want to see this guy's atlas, he had some valid criticism, like the sekhema trial, but crying about maps because you want to rush endgame as a casual player.

[@maharaja101]

No, he's absolutely right. If your build is not strong enough when going into the endgame you will have an absolutely miserable time. The drop rate for waystones before you get multiple Atlas buffs going is really low, so if you die too much or simply don't get enough stones from RNG then you're basically cooked. I died tons at first so I had to rework my build, which ate most of my gold (tbf, that was before they patched the respec cost). Reforging tier 1 waystones into higher tier ones gets exponentially more expensive as you go, something as low as Tier 4 costs already like 100k gold. So you're basically stuck farming Tier 1/2 hoping for a drop so that you can even attempt a higher tier. And the drops were low, like even with a +100% buff I had several maps without any drops. I'm having more fun now that I got over that waystone hurdle, but it definitely can be a hurdle for new players and I almost quit the game because of it myself.

[@JacobBalser]

People like you are going to ruin this game. Everything he said about the endgame is true. Its a HORRIBLE experience and system. I made it to tier 14 maps and its just a miserable experience the entire time. People like you need to stop with the "im better than you casuals" attitude and start being honest.

[@w4yne3d61]

Oh wow that won’t go down well hehe. But also agree on some points like losing progression so fast I recon it shouldn’t have to come to the point I grind that much that I can’t progress and have to go trade just to get better how is that a good thing

[@axeman787]

The game is hard enough to where guess what? I'm not playing it when it releases. Its not fun. Cool, but not fun.

[@Matt-uv7mc]

Yup, that's why I dropped the game til they add the other classes and acts. I got too many games to play.

[@Shady_600]

where's the white claw drinking challenge?

[@jadedbreadncircus9159]

I'm glad to be new & suck & not near the end game yet. 10/10

[@via_negativa6183]

Well... It is the most untested part of the game , and at least it has one 😂. I'm playing a, tank so I'm not experiencing the one shot stuff for the most part

[@havoc7154]

Remove after death explosions.

[@zenpool5918]

My problem qith endgame is i feel it would be more fun with people to play with and voip with. Joining up with randoms gets stressful since some people just dont coordinate

[@heronwhisky]

The one shots are being worked on but, working on your defenses are very important. Not sure if you are but a lot of people are forgetting that. Last point is maybe ARPG's like this just sent your thing. I have more nit picks but I don't want to write an essay. Comparing warbring to titan would be better. The warrior isn't about taking hits it's about specing strength.

[@funnystranger3380]

@@heronwhisky the tru poe 2 player! I with you brother alot of people just don't know how to build anymore, the IQ of gamers are dropping. Maybe they forgetting. I'm doing t15 rn if one taps didn't exist i probably will be alot more bored lol. And even then with a proper build what I have 1 taps are rare BIGGEST THING OF ALL WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN IT MY FALT

[@heronwhisky]

@@funnystranger3380 TV is a really smart guy. I won't sell him short. I just see this alot with ARPG releases. People bounce off of them pretty quick

[@JacobBalser]

@@funnystranger3380 people like you ruined the community of the first game, and you are already ruining the community of POE 2. The endgame is objectively shit. Pretending that anyone who has feedback is a casual who shouldn't play is toxic gate keeping. You are a moron.

[@eddienash2095]

The whole game sucks. Im pissed they postponed 3.26

[@multiGunner90]

I feel like only destiny and diablo 4 streamers keep complaining about game difficulty .. just go play diablo 4 , its the game for you.

[@piotrskreczko7154]

I don't play diablo or destiny and agree the game is way to punative.

[@DirtRacerX]

Hell I can't even get pass the act 1 boss. If the end game sucks, then I'm done with this game.

[@AC30F5P4D3S]

lol

[@mikec1554]

I'm starting Act 3. I plan on waiting until the next 3 before starting endgame. I'm not playing if I lose XP for dying. No shot.

[@espguitarist13]

@@mikec1554 you don't start loosing XP on death till LVL 70. You should be in maps by then.

[@Daniel-xv3nw]

end game is rushed for sure

[@FedDonovan]

100 percent agreed

[@NoxDeadly]

The gameplay itself is the problem, the endgame has great content, but endgame builds are BORING

[@funnystranger3380]

@@NoxDeadly that just how games like this is. The endgame is all about op builds, if builds not you ideal of fun games like this not going to be long term for you

[@kevinc8955]

@@funnystranger3380POE2 fanatics biggest gripe on D4 was the one or two button builds but it turns out POE2 is literally no different.

[@funnystranger3380]

@@kevinc8955 how literally all dungeon divers games are you can make more builds with muilple buttons but that up to you. End games are all about the 1 taps or the nukes so more buttons you have more chances you have to get killed

[@NoxDeadly]

@@funnystranger3380 but why? The whole game is fun til u have to one shot or be one shotted, why does it have be like that?

[@funnystranger3380]

@@NoxDeadly it fun rn because it new. If you are not forced into build crafting it going to push people from playing this game. Rn onlything endgame is t15. When you beat this game you going to have this mind set oh I want to see how far I can get with builds. More they nerf the 1 taps more the game will fall. Look at it this way if you have a op build and 1 tap don't exist what keeping you playing, farming easy. Living easy hard content easy. Idk what tier of the endgame you on. Look at this way if 1 tap get nerf to t30 then get nerf to t60 all it doing is making the end game less endgame feeling just running maps again again with 0 worry

[@espguitarist13]

It needs work but I wouldn't say it sucks

[@ACD-ti4ph]

I mean the devs had big talk so it should be delivering

[@Malentor]

sounds like a lot of cope to me

[@ioiioooio193]

@@ACD-ti4phsaying this about a game that’s still in early access is nuts 😂 calm tf down

[@GradietPanda12345]

It sucks.

[@espguitarist13]

@@GradietPanda12345 ahh just hop back on destiny 2 dude! Wayyyyyy better

[@dust921]

i played EQ back in the day & corps run & XP drain is a deal breaker never again... make is a optionl or a hard core theng but dont force it on me all just uninstall & go back to my PVP shooters they should go with a andles leveling system like DDO or planetside2 best player retention ever :) NOT lame 15% XP loss on death that steals your progression its toxic AF

[@thomasdawe1837]

Wouldnt expect such an attitude from an old school EQ player 😂 and poe doesnt have corpse runs

[@dust921]

@@thomasdawe1837 when it comes to XP loss on death i think u will find most EQ players hate it

[@shinka6670]

Heh I remember that, wiping in plane of fear and having Monks drag all our corpses back to the portal so you didn't lose all your gear. Or hope another guild on the server could kill stuff there. You would leave there losing levels. Haha hard to believe that was a thing

[@SlamDance87]

The game needs more of a competitive aspect a reason to do anything some kind of incentive other then just to be better for the sake of being better ..PvP a delve or tower to climb to the top idk I burnt out on mapping league after league doing the same shit over and over.. I think a lot of the isssues comes from every game having a 3 month cycle of the same shit.. and the game getn better or addding in one thing for next league.. this shit has been going on for 20 years since d2 ladder d2 then Poe then destiny then d3 then d4 on rotation to build a character play for week get to end game and wait for next season with no real competitive aspects to show off gear and ur build.. im sick of buying cosmetics off a shop rather then looking bad ass big dickkin it from slaying hard ass content or bosses or some kind of achievement.. shit is getn so stale and fuckn bland im getn more enjoyment out of a mobile game 2 actually summoner wars and Albion.. makes me fuckn sad.. destiny2 takes to long to add new shit for PvP and trials copy paste horshit for 10 years d4 is jsut trash poe1 was fun now it’s a bloated cluster fuck mess… and lastly the feeling I get playing poe2 is lonely no social aspect lobbies for doing shit or just hang out n chill no duel rooms jsut feels empty d2 u never felt alone u had lobbies made games for other ppl doing same shit or just chill n moo or whatever..social aspect is huge interaction with other players like league start im lvl 1 game name blastingx start game 3 4 5 ppl immediately join heyyyy whats up what u playing ? Oh cool let me fix my aura to help u survive or ill tank u blast lets goooooo make friends laugh talk shit progress.. have ur character in the game lobbie as an avatar. Shit is so lonely single player focused ide rather play Skyrim

[@JacobBalser]

I hope they ignore everything you said.

[@SlamDance87]

@ tf? Are u even a gamer?

[@BrentAltomare]

Endgame kinda sucks? Are you in the pocket of “Big Tassi”? 😂

[@jesushorses]

About as much story as a tv commercial. After playing Diablo 2, I mean Path of Exile 2, for a few acts I realized how the “endgame” would be impossible to do on a game like this just like it’s predecessors.

[@thisjustin77]

Mapping is 1 endgame mechanic. there are several

[@tomaszguzik9018]

Not really, since all the other mechanics require you to map. Breach, Ritual, Deli etc - in maps. Bosses - in maps The citadels - maps Ultimatum and Trial of Sekhemas - keys to run them from maps.

[@Dr_Sparks_]

i agree the campaign was fucking awesome. ,and i have to disagree with you on the level of fun in maps. its the actual endgame. its what the path peeps are seeking out. mapping is fun as hell cause it shakes up everything and humbles builds like no other:) also i gotta say your endymeion take was just... bad. lost a bit respect for ya man. been watching you (in regards to destiny) for a fucking long time and it hurts to see you not being supportive of what players actually want. you didn't "lose a sub". but you lost a smidge of respect. i hope you are warm and well fed brother, honestly. stick with path, its wuff.