The POST NERF JAS39C Is Still Bussin

[@Thiccron]

Keeping them energy trapped on the runway 😂

[@Epic_candle]

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[@RienRocks]

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[@dedneyder3586]

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[@Tom-nz5te]

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[@perhaps_not_]

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[@cheekibreeki4638]

Pro: Gripen Con: Britain

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

Typhoon coming next year tho

[@molstad182]

@@mrcaboosevg6089 imma grind germany or italy for that shit ngl

[@ofaoilleachain]

Technically South Africa

[@Bobspineable]

@@molstad182there’s also the Hornets and Super Hornet of Australian vehicles get added to UK

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

@@molstad182 The British Typhoon is the best one by quite a margin though

[@huntor3606]

The skill required to win a 3v1 above their airfield. Absolutely breathtaking

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

Oh I'm taking lessons from this for sure.

[@JC-oq5ex]

The skill required to just let missiles play the game for you.

[@janchovanec8624]

@@JC-oq5ex Show us how you do what Defyn does every third match!

[@JC-oq5ex]

@@janchovanec8624 still no plane with air-to-air missiles, but once I get them I'll be sure to upload it for you. Edit: I've got a jet with aims and I've uploaded the clips so far. See for your yourself I guess. More to come maybe?

[@JESUSsavesfrfr]

Repent 😘

[@emangaming5557]

1:29 first cut I've seen where the enemy dies, not him. I'm sure it was a beautiful reversal nonetheless!

[@łœs-l9c]

The f15s wings reversed him lol

[@DEFYN]

Wdym the enemy always dies

[@CatWithAOpinion]

@@DEFYNreal

[@molstad182]

defyn has never died in the game wdym

[@snottytoe6957]

@@DEFYN *knocked out. Nobody ever dies in warthunder. War is a family friendly place.

[@KaguyasBeat]

The comprehensive breakdown of the airfield 1v3 is probably the best advice I've ever gotten in this game. Thank You. Hopefully that's the only time it ever happens and no one actually has to put the advice into practice.

[@wesleygallant8117]

A lot of these clips highlight just how insanely chaotic top tier is and how they need to either drastically spread out teams or reduce high tier match sizes. Being able to auto dump flares is a huge advantage and allows you to focus your energy elsewhere

[@shulminsama3820]

hear me out. 6v6 or 8v8. but everyone gets one respawn and can bring in 2 planes

[@giovaniiniguez3783]

@@shulminsama3820 reduce players in a match won’t do anything. 16 vs 16 is fine. I’m not about to spend 10 min flying looking for one person.

[@Asghaad]

well when you make countermeasures to be about 10 times as effective than IRL makes everyone able to just run in and spam flares / chaff and play insanely agressive ... if missiles and countermeasures worked as they should flares would be about 50/50 chance of survival and chaff would be basically only there for emotional support of course that would make matches in these tiny maps and dozens of planes a total clustercluck ... 8v8 with proper modelling for radar missiles and countermeasures on maps at least 5 times the size would be how it whould have been since F-4E and MiG-21 were the top dogs ...

[@shulminsama3820]

make the spawns closer and have airspawns. easy. 16v16 is fun for props and early jets, but after 9.0 it gets too much because of missles, supersonic flights. if realistic battles want to be more realistic and more fun then have a reduced playercount with modern planes (like how it is irl) is better and alot of the community agrees@@giovaniiniguez3783

[@mauriciosanchez144]

@@shulminsama3820more than one spawn in arb has been a huge curiosity of mine for years, I bet it would make for actual smart matches.

[@bartman2519]

4:34 quick flashbang to keep people watching at night on their toes

[@ercanyesiltas]

the one thing that actually scared him was a stationary yak141 lol, and "that" 3v1 was amazing, mad skills

[@SeekerHead]

cant wait for the next installment of this series when the thrust gets reduced 20%

[@filipkatila5511]

Yeah people just need to get a grip 💀

[@mig_tf2323]

From discussions I read the gripen is getting more thrust at low speed and less at high speed, but since the gripen is supposedly currently performing correctly in acceleration, drag should be reduced as well.

[@garlic5065]

You predicted the future, though drag got reduced

[@AJ.Arciniega]

that f-15 reversal and 3 v1 and 2 were su-27's!!! great stuff

[@Diegomehhh]

Man i hate when someone kills me in a similar situation, but the three vs one with th su27??? Absolute comedy

[@luuk341]

su27 pilots are all idiots in my experience. Going in to rate fight F16s and gripen because hurr durr muh supermaneuverable superior vatnik missile sled

[@tamaruz7575]

SO HAPPY you did a vid about it cuz I'm grinding it rn so I know what to expect.

[@joshbosco4028]

That 3v1 was special

[@goddepersonno3782]

I would say they need more top tier games designed around modern air combat for example: 8 v 8 air superiority -> hold air superiority over X massive region of the battlefield for 10 minutes. And you'd be rewarded for forcing enemy players to leave the region, while enemy players are rewarded for time spent in the region (essentially like "capping" a point) RADAR tracking and coverage should could for a lot as activity points. all in all, it would make the gameplay way slower and "more boring" so it will never happen. But hey, you could add stuff like strike/interception missions as well to make it more interesting

[@Tungsten-Rod]

Yet again South Africa improves Britain big tungsten

[@CrimsonMantle]

The deadpan commentary during the 3v1 was funniest shit in a while.

[@Sir-Sticky]

*Gaijin accidentally giving Britain something that doesn't suck* - "We can't have that now can we!"

[@FXIIBeaver]

From the future. It is still uber busted.

[@reaper.f54u]

1:28 bro reversed the F-15 so perfectly that they saw their future and just killed themself early to avoid the shame

[@kRIEG_elf]

If you ever do more props, do you think you could do a video on the Mk 24 spit? How to fight jets with it? Feels like a BnZ dodge simulator where I never catch anyone.

[@mudhutonthemoon]

Average La-9 match.

[@SAK11RA]

he said if you are seeing a jet and they know what they are doing you are boned

[@gliderfs621]

You should try to come from above somewhere about 15k ft at high speed then dive in the furball and start to blast as many missiles as possible. Some kind of classic boom and zoom, but at supersonic speed.

[@Takemura76]

I effing LOVE those cuts lmao. I’m so sorry you lost that footage.

[@interpl6089]

How to fight top tier jets with MiG-23ML? 1) Equip R-24T. 2)Switch Radar to IRST. 3)Fly weird angles close to ground to keep out of sight. 3)Lock Unsuspecting Top Tier Jets. 4)Enjoy free kills. 5)Die from random missile spam. 6)Repeat.

[@thechampionawesome1574]

I feel like if you have less than 10 pops of countermeasures split you shouldn't face too many high g all aspect missiles, and if you have less than 30-40 pops of countermeasures split then you shouldn't face anything that's hard to flare (irccm missiles and some others).

[@claudemontezin911]

Darn! That was great flying Defyn. Very enjoyable. You've got an uncanny ability to switch to and from defensive to attack, faster than the enemy moves. You'll be the terror in the sky when the Rafale and the Eurofighter come out. Cheers!

[@darthbader6506]

That airfield commentary was priceless

[@kreassen6930]

little correction, the yak141 does have an hmd

[@joesmoe4778]

too bad it doesn't get R-73s. i'm grinding for it right now, but it seems rather useless considering it can only hold 4(?) missile and not even 4 27ERs at the same time

[@kreassen6930]

@@joesmoe4778 It is not useless at all, my go to loadout is 2x 27ER and 2x 27R. If you know what you are doing you can slap alot of people out of the sky because they dont know how to fight it properly.

[@joesmoe4778]

@@kreassen6930 I’ll give it a try once I get through the stock grind. I’m about to unlock it today.

[@-theislander-5888]

6:17 no way these three bozos dumped all their speed like that....

[@WOLFER.]

Yh, idk why most keep as much energy as possible if some aircraft, that only works at corner speeds and for specific aircraft, F-5E, F-16's, F-15's, F-14B, Gripen and m2k, you can use energy as an advantage, as for the mig23's, f4's, viggen's those aircraft's corner speeds suuuuuck. Meaning even tho they might have a decent sustained (20° or higher) the radius of that turn is also just as important, there is a reason the gripen can sometimes just sit inside your turns, it's because even tho the f16 (example) has 22° sustained, and the gripen has 21° sustained, both aircraft are at different speeds to do this effectively and also have a different radius, gripen, slightly worse, but a tighter radius, f16, better sustained, but slightly worse radius.

[@musti3853]

No wonder the swedish took the licencse from south africa and copied it. This thing is nuts!

[@SwedishTerminator]

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[@starliner2498]

What?

[@javaboii8118]

Tf u talking about

[@kkang2828]

Hope this is just some weird sort of sarcasm…

[@dennisv3435]

This shit be an SR-71 the way it flew over y’alls’ heads like that

[@wafflesheep2087]

your edits where it just cuts off a fraction of a second after shit hits the fan are gold

[@ryananderson9905]

Never stop the dutch mountain jokes

[@Sceptreshot]

The Gripen solves the UK's top tier vehicle problem, now we just need something to grind to it, in my opinion the good jets stop at 8.7 with the Swift F.7. The issue could easily be solved if Gaijin gave us the good shit that we built, such as the Gnat, Superswift, replacing the Hunter f.1 with the f.4 and many other things.

[@cookiecraze1310]

Giving us the Swiss hunter instead of Germany.

[@Sceptreshot]

@@cookiecraze1310 That or instead giving us the Omani/Singaporean Hunter FGA.74B which is a Hunter F.6 with 2-4 extra pylons for AIM-9P's and flares but no guided ordinance. I think Germany got the Swiss Hunter so that they can later get the Swiss F-18, which I haven't got an issue with but they should've added a British Hunter at the same time too.

[@Azzoz1]

Today i completed the research of the grippen using the phantom fgr2. And to get to the phantom i used the sea harrier frs.1

[@pogo1140]

Problem is the grind. IRL the RAF went from Phantom to Harriers and Tornado before Typhoon

[@Sceptreshot]

@@pogo1140 Yep definitely, but I don't just see it as a top tier problem, but a problem with the entire tree. The tree has had the worst options possible selected. For example the Swedish hunter is the same br as the Hunter F.1, but its an F.4 airframe with 2 extra aim-9B's. The UK needs the gnat, a better hunter, and some of the prototype aircraft we built. Whilst yes the RAF irl had huge jumps in capability, the UK still built a lot of aircraft and prototype aircraft that we do not see in-game. The gap from phantom to typhoon I don't even see as the biggest issue, that would be rank 6 with no decent fighter. The gap from phantom to typhoon would be okay if the phantoms got the AIM-9L's, also now the gripen is there but it could've just as easily been the BAE EAP to bridge that gap. The UK also does not have a SAAF tree so what was the point in adding the subtree. If we got an air-tree we could get things like the Atlas Cheetah at 11.0. The grind of the tree is just horrible and there's so few good aircraft when other options exist. I could make a huge list of aircraft i'd have replaced or added.

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

6:30 perfect commentary lmao..

[@TacticalOtter2]

The Gripen made top tier fun again for me lol

[@borslab]

Looks fun! Good I have UK rank 5 researched. Now I only need to grind through some hunters and phantoms... On the other hand perhaps I should start researching Sweden.

[@Oliepolie]

Instead of buying the ML i just quickly unlocked the MLD and put a talisman on it. I have not been disappointed

[@lurtzy_]

I think they were smoking crack at Gaijin when they decided to give Britain the C and Sweden the A.

[@justushett152]

honestly I like this update due to the mostly minnimal power creep (there is some but F16's mirage2k's and mig 29's are still competitive in most aspects) and it rotated the meta from missiles to flight performance... I assume the grippen is probably the meta plane RN just due to the combo of flight performance and countermeasure amount but I would love to hear your thoughts

[@RT42069]

Su-27 is the meta. It has 10 missiles, including the best IR and radar missiles in the game.

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

The power creep already existed Playing 11.0 or 11.3 is impossible You are in mid 3rd generation planes up against 4th gen aircraft that can dunk on you anytime they choose We need decompression

[@carlosadonayguardadogaleas6150]

Why would I play a fat and useless mig having the su 27 😂

[@justushett152]

bornonthebattlefront yes the power creep is already here but it has not been majorly increased by this update (personally I think it is worst in stuff like the F100D F104 and mig19 because they blow everything outta the water with their performance but fight crazy missiles) I think we should have more BR's (14-15.0) the SU27 is the low skill floor meta the grippen is probably the high skill floor meta as shown in this video also SU27 is the fattest and not quite the worst flight performance but even a mig 29 (non SMT) would rinse it in a dogfight

[@Denkmaldrubernacht]

​@@bornonthebattlefront4883I've been playing the FG1 11.3 phantom and I've actually been clapping everyone and anyone so hard atm for some reason

[@rowanyuh6326]

The flare count is the best thing about the gripen ngl

[@icespikegaming6786]

Absolutely ridiculous mig 23s and phantoms have to fight this

[@GaIiIeoMateo]

@:6:10 Defyn, stay you, funniest commentary in the history of WT

[@thejdmguru621]

These Gripens IRL are rotting away in warehouses

[@chicitaa]

the only issue is that it's.... in britain 😩

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

if your like me and played the Harrier Gr.7 the speed bleed is something you have had to deal with before

[@Nox_Desiree]

True, I literally fly the gripen the same as a Harrier GR7 but with way more aggression.

[@Sire.English]

The airfield bit, dude 😂 Once you mentioned energy trapped I understood the sarcasm 🍻

[@杨瑞宇]

6:00 great 1v3 indeed

[@Heinz4455]

Before Eurofighter Brits can still get CF-18 from Canada or Australian F-18

[@PineCone227_]

Damn, too bad recording issues stopped us from seeing the F-15 reversal.

[@Mysteres78979]

The worst part with this whole Gripen thing is that, in the current matchmaker if you play israel you're gonna suffer against the JAS39 Menace, you will be paired against Sweden every damn time *cries in Kurnass 2000*

[@Weasel65]

lol! "Keep them energy trapped" and they are just landed on the runway.

[@Nox_Desiree]

For those who are still surprised and confused by the Gripen in the brit tree I'll add some rationale. Beyond the fact that Britain REALLY needed a good top tier for ages now there is some logic behind this. It would be more accurate to call the British tree the Commonwealth tree at this point. For those who don't know the Commonwealth of Nations is an international Association of former British Empire territories. We already have Australian aircraft, an entire South African ground tree and also the Indian T-90. All of these nations are Commonwealth members. Thus do not be surprised if we see Australian or Canadian F-18s im the British tree in future and more vehicles used by Commonwealth Members. I also wouldn't be surprised if warthunder straight up just change the name of the British tree to the Commonwealth of Nations tree because that seems to be where they are going with it. It gives the the leeway to bolster a tech tree which kinda struggles towards the higher brs on both air and ground. Heck if they do go with this direction we could have a top tier Commonwealth grb lineup including Challengers, Canadian Leos, Australian Abrams and Indian T-90s...that is kinda terrifying...

[@HunterSteel29]

Don't forget that we could possibly get an entire Indian Ground lineup as well as an Indian Air lineup which gives England access to more USSR vehicles as well as the Arjun (which is better than the T-90 in every way) and access to the Rafaele and the HAL Tejas. And more additions from South Africa will include an early T-72 with Thermals (bog standard T-72 but we installed Thermals into it.), the Cheetah and Impala for the air tree as well. There's a bunch there that hasn't been added yet, there's also the Rooikat Prototype and we really need to get our big wheelie boi from the German tech tree, but fit it with a 120mm cannon since that was the intention. There's also the possibility to make a 10.7 TTD with a 120mm cannon too.

[@Xidif_Tim]

I mean considering irl its kindof an 4.5 generation fighter. this makes sense against only 4 gen aircraft

[@thegalbenduck5306]

Cant wait for the Mirage 2000 spam at top tier once the Winter Event is over! (I can farm kills)

[@AxYelloWxHamster]

"And the F-4ej immediately eats shit" God that is so true. I hated that plane.

[@razordude500]

Nice vid - would you not recommend taking the skyflashes then?

[@therealpoku]

Average F-15 gameplay at 1:27

[@daveshilling6610]

What jet would be best to get to grind out the German air tech tree. The mig21 or the tornado? Both 11.0

[@brunnocalg9745]

last guy roleplaying as an air ballon was goat 😁😁

[@briocheman21]

When is the motorbike channel coming?

[@boomcat1337]

how is jaktviggen nawadays ? last time i played it was the topdog? and it seems to have alot stronger engine then this new gripen ?

[@AvoidGN]

DEFYN do you think that they will change the su27s flight model and give it good maneuverability and slightly better energy retention or is it going to be a brick forever

[@icantsleepman]

Once Everyone get their ARH missiles, they might aswell buff it. Otherwise, we have to wait for later variants

[@AvoidGN]

@@icantsleepman I really hope we don’t have to wait for the thrust vectoring variants for them to have good agility but I also can understand why they don’t buff the fm because it would be so overpowering if it was more “realistic”

[@icantsleepman]

@AvoidGN Naah I doubt we have to wait that long and in the end the Su-27 does have pretty good maneuverability it just doesn't have the energy retention to back it up. And I think the Main reason Gaijin keeps nerfing russian FM's is because of the R-73. That missile alone can win you dogfights

[@pedromedeiros4955]

US mains would start bitching about Russian bias and review bomb gaijin if they even think about buffing the Su-27.

[@tunarulesatca]

Flanker flight model feels really good? If you learn to manage your speed it's insane against everything you merge with.

[@Jojooooooo]

Why not just give britain the eurofighter? A gripen equivalent?

[@_Joob]

Me when another nerf is right around the corner

[@treanttrooper6349]

And it is about damn time too!!!

[@Epic_candle]

Gripen still gripping

[@kaanburgaz6921]

Hello Which ammunition cartridge should we choose for Russian propeller-driven fighter planes? I would be very happy if it helps. Thank you.

[@devdream9277]

Hi, could you do a guide to properly paly at top tier ? i can do well until like 11.0 with the right plane but i'm completely getting my butt kicked trying to spade my Mirage F1, and i see you manage to alway to make work any plane even if you say it's not good. That'll be amazing, thanks

[@adamp1664]

ive been tryin to look up how you get the missles heat seeking circle to fallow where you free look can you help me with what setting that is?

[@jakerobson6623]

They don’t even call it the typhoon

[@GothicHellhound]

This has def been a play to get used to for me, I cam from playing a huge amount of fgr2 so it hurts me haha. Also doesn't rhe saaf have a internal start battery so like is slightly heavier or do they not model that?

[@jaxastro3072]

All gripens have internal starters. The whole point of the gripen was needing very little peripherals to get it up and running

[@GothicHellhound]

@@jaxastro3072 thought the A didn't, I may be remembering something wrong^^ always love learning about them:3

[@95Karlsson]

@@GothicHellhoundYou may be thinking of the APU that the C has? :)

[@a_catfish5180]

Good British plane? Ah never mind it’s not British

[@janusz4156]

35 years of Gripen in 2023

[@msrtaha6174]

I love ur vids man it's so funny when u insta switch to another match when something goes wrong XD

[@_1DARK1_]

bruh 1:24 😂

[@theperson5185]

Defyn, do you have any tips for the f15?? I got it got all the missiles in sim but I’m just constantly getting dunked on. It’s extremely frustrating and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.

[@Palpatine_e_sua_geminha]

Stay fast, see how you can avoid missiles (aim9-m really ez) and stay aware

[@theperson5185]

@@Palpatine_e_sua_geminha really only having issues with the 27er and 73 lol

[@DEFYN]

I made 2 videos on it Nothing id say there that i wont here

[@aleski6506]

Completely spade the flight performance and weapons

[@ofaoilleachain]

Only a W because it isn't a British aircraft, but Swedish, and in the South African airforce

[@Koqol]

Have a nice day Defyn

[@mr_rock4353]

Shhhh don’t let the snail know it’s still good

[@Marco-cg7fb]

that must've been the toughest 3v1 i've ever seen xD

[@kmanb]

i was suprised when i saw you take 20 mins of fuel + tank. i take min fuel + tank and i dont have problems. and its not because i die too quickly, i often last whole matches (although matches are quite short nowadays)

[@DEFYN]

I have most fun trying to carry so I dont mind comprimising early game if it means I can try to 1v4 later

[@justushett152]

6:45 aBsOlUtElY BoNkErS performance lol

[@pogo1140]

Why JAS-39C?? The only one in RAF service is with the RAF Test Pilot school. This should be a Typhoon

[@lasombra120680]

Flying Viking got skills!

[@artem8193]

God damn it! So many noob counts are getting prems and I can’t play war thunder because I am travelling😒 Did not stop me from getting one MiG23 myself do😊

[@OwenBeyer-nr3dv]

Yo the video finally came out I remember grinding in the f4s and being smacked by one of your 9m’s. Have a great day Defyn:)

[@diegowushu]

Damn, these video capture errors are unacceptable. Please tell me which one you use, I'm sending a strongly-worded letter to its creators on your behalf.

[@pastek6598]

Thanks for noticing the suffering of top tier brit

[@maxwellagrunewald]

Yak 141 does have HMD

[@2goober4u]

I saw the previous title.

[@xyz-hj6ul]

Gripen empty weight is ~12,500lbs. Six times AIM-9M (actually RB.74 is an AIM-9S variant, which is to say AIM-9L without IRCCM) is about 1,200lbs. The JAS-39 only carries about 5,500lbs of fuel. Not a lot, especially for those who think fighting in burner is the only way to die. There is no 'take less, you'll fight, light, better' nonsense. Add another 1,000lbs for consumables, expendables, FIG, and pilot. 20,200lbs. Engine thrust is 18,100lbf. Thrust to weight ratio should be .89:1 at takeoff. Add a 500lb centerline tank with 400 gallons of JP-5 fuel as ESSENTIAL if you are not CAP'ing the airfield beacon and that's another 3,220lbs. Now your T/Wr is (18,100/23,420) .77:1. This is roughly the difference between an F-16 with a centerline and six missiles plus FIG and an F-4E with cleaned wings and 8 missiles + FIG. Ps dictates turn rate and acceleration as a function of thrust, _more than any other factor_. Do not listen to morons who insist 'huh-huh but it's a low drag airframe, huh-huh...'. Co-bullshit-ugh. The Gripen is not an F-104. The in-game JAS-39 accelerates like a UFO and holds Ps like a handgrenade because it's *Fan Fiction*. Early JAS-39 have BOP-B in the rear of the outer wing pylons and BOP-C in the upper fuselage spine. The BOL is carried in a separate, underwing, rail (when a suitable RB.74/RB.98 missile is fitted) because the wingtips are occupied by the RWR system receivers. The BOP-B have X6 cartridge magazines and are long dispensers, intended for cylindrical, 'magnum' class, EXCM like kinematic flares and the BO-2D towed radar decoy. The BOP-C are X8 buckets and are intended for 'fat case', square, high intensity, flares. BOP-B face straight back and are useless against flanking missiles which 'squint' on the target IRCS to ignore flares which bloom behind it. The BOP-C dispensers are located in the vertical tail fairing, ejecting laterally, and so fire flares which ignite while still over the jet, with the individual buckets flipped, side to side, so that two dispensers cover the right and left sectors when activated by the missile approach warning system. The MAWS is located in the wingroot fairing at the back and in wing LE corners at the front, for complete spatial coverage. BOL dispensers have 160 chaff packets each but these are so small that they are always fired in pairs. i.e. You don't get 320 chaff blooms as both left and right rails fire together. Chaff is almost useless against modern radar missiles as a trackbreaker, it slows down so fast (low mass, large area) that it skips out of the radar tracking cell while the ECCM of the seeker also recognizes and rejects it very quickly in looking right through/ahead of the bloom. When used, enmasse, chaff is a little more capable in messing with initial lockon during the BVR closure phase (Jaff is particularly good at this), which is why the BOL carries so much of it. Early (Swedish) JAS-39A mounted the BOL on the outer side of the outboard pylon but sacrificed BOP-B in doing so because the BOP-B magazine flares out from the aft side of the pylon integrated launcher, like the ALE-50 on the F-16, and so blocks the rearward facing chaff ejector. Presently, BOL is fitted to the rail launcher, underwing and early JAS-39A also put the MAWS here as it was not internal, initially. So... TOTAL FLARE COUNT is 16+16+12 (if BO-2D is not carried), with the EWS-39 electronic warfare management system choosing which buckets are triggered, depending on whether it's an upper or lower hemisphere threat from an FQ/Flank/RQ shot. Each SIDE of the jet has only 16, high intensity, flares. The JAS-39 also talks to the pilot, instructing him on break direction and timing with the EXCM blooms as there often isn't time for him to crank his helmet over (under G this can be quite hard) and look to acquire the threat. Threat Missile Launch, Auto-Fire Off EXCM, Heckling Helga: 'Break Left!', Done. The point being to exit the airframe from the seeker tracking window before it's IRCCM can reject the countermeasure and reacquire based on lead prediction. All while conserving limited onboard EXCM, under automated control. The MAWS knows if a missile is coming at you. It uses multiple EO apertures to calculate angular variance and if there is no change in threat bearing and no RWR associated seeker noise, it pops the appropriate CM. The in-game JAS-39A/C is thus massively over EXCM'd and flitting about like a gerbil on crack. Stop It. If you want to make the Gripen special, improve the homing model of the AIM-7MH (IMU + Inverse Monopulse + HOJ = very good angular target track averaging, even in the beam). And then add the BO-2D to seduce both the R-27ER and the AIM-7MH with essentially forced target centroid migration. If you want to do the JAS-39C, you are talking about the Blue Sky/Arexis external jammer pod which, together with the internal jammer for low-bands, provides 'Digital Stealth'. Swedish ECM is _very good_, probably better than the French, whose Rafale 'Spectra' suite set the standard. You literally do not see the late model Gripen coming. In 2014, JAS-39Cs visiting Red Flag snuck up on a pair of F-22 and almost drilled a section pair of CAPing Raptors, 'there but for the power of Pratt & Whitney', high stepping them away from the AAM-bush dicking. PS-05A doesn't have the CW to support RB.71. Before the arrival of RB.99, the JAS-39A was entirely a WVR airframe. That is why the JA-37 got the D-mod and hung around. The JAS-39C/D had the RB.98 (IRIS-T) and the RB.99 (AMRAAM B) as standard from service entry in 2009 and 2002 respectively and integrated the RB.101 (Meteor) in April 2016. From 2015, the Mk.4 radar has improved a persistent radar detection range problem (+100% at low altitudes, +40% at high altitudes), allowing the full range of Meteor to be exploited and, from 2025, the Mk.5 may be fitted to a few Flygvapnet 'formation leaders' to give broad-band AESA performance, as the type exits service in favor of the A2A optimized Gripen E (IOC 2023). C/D Gripen is an entirely different class of Predator and JAS-39E will be a similar step up with GE F414, ES-05 Raven, Skywards G IRST and more carriage station options. Point Being: The JAS-39 has some very special capabilities related to the Swedes 'total system' approach to blended kinematic performance and weapons system (avionics) engineering within an affordability/reliability cost capping metric. But it is still a lightweight fighter, it is NOT The Swedish Raptor. Stop treating it like a rocket ship. Stop giving it so much EXCM that it can abuse the go-gate blower option in close combat. AB is used to accelerate before snap-up from clutter, under STRIL datalink (a Swedish specialty). And for missile pole extension by getting the missile through the Mach to put a tip-shock on the nose before launch. Which gives you 20-50% more reaches-first F-Pole flyout distance, depending on actual firing speed. Outside of a very few, specialist, jets (F-15C with three tanks and a careful Mach point drop schedule. MiG-31BM because Jeezus told them to cut down a super tanker install two Saturn Vs and fit wings at 35,550lbs internal and 8,600lbs in two externals), burner is never a constant use A2A tool. If you fly like a mad fool, beyond your gas, Gaijin should make it so that you do not get to fly again, that day. You bring that jet home, you make the number of landings match takeoffs, 1:1. Or you go work for Dominos as a pizza delivery driver. Modern Air Forces don't have hundreds of throwaway jets to hand out to idiots. In the aforementioned Red Flag 2014, JAS-39C were often flying with a pair of 400 gallon wing tanks and a LITENING pod to give them passive EOID and provide sufficient regens to fight as Red Air and were certainly not top fuel dragsters when they were configured this way. LINKS- JAS-39 Gripen EXCM Dispensers www.militaryperiscope.com/wt/media/original_images/weapons_images_new/1543933473_esm-ew_w0008189_.jpg Warload encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpJ9tDkteRWFFqt-6xy4091axOZgwr4xhAJVtBwSOL8w&s

[@zackgonters1669]

You were smirking LMFAO

[@shulminsama3820]

remember guys, its the pilot. not the plane.

[@mtxle1nad]

DEFYN the swedish one doesn't have hmd, right?

[@DEFYN]

Both do

[@sebas.tian.]

wait so they can use the nerf and use it like a better air brake

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

Why does UK get a Grippen? I mean I'm sure the reasoning is bullshit but I'm just curious what wacky story Gaijin came up with.

[@BertieParry]

South Africa use it

[@left_ventricle]

It’s not that UK got ‘British’ Gripen, SAAF uses Gripen and UK has South African tree within its tree. They could have added the actual British JAS 39 A or C, since Empire Test Pilot’s School (E.T.P.S.) either borrowed or licensed the use of JAS 39s from Swedish Air Force, but this would be going beyond reasonable. Albeit I’m unsure if that’s any less reasonable than F-16AJ.

[@Nox_Desiree]

It would be more accurate to call the British tree the Commonwealth tree because that's defo what Gaijin will do with it. Within the British tree with have Australian Aircraft, South African Ground tree and Aircraft and Indian tanks too. I can also see the Australian and Canadian F-18s being added to the tree in future. For anyone who doesn't know the Commonwealth of Nations is an International Association of former British Empire territories. I can defo see Gaijin adding more Commonwealth of Nations vehicles to the brit tree, maybe even changing the name of the tree to reflect this.

[@urmum3773]

@@Nox_Desiree It's the British tree

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

@@Nox_Desiree best explanation yet (doubtful they'd change the name tho).

[@sergeygultyayev4828]

How do some missiles ignore flares? Is it just because they didn't cover the engines?

[@DEFYN]

Aim9M, r73 and magic2 have built in flare resistence

[@CsStrez]

Why don't you use vertical targeting? What's the actual point of it?

[@Zagiera]

What do you have your periodic countermeasures set to?

[@DEFYN]

1 second

[@Zagiera]

@@DEFYN thank you!

[@basiaromanovski458]

Is there any reason you dont really shoot aim9ms in head ons?

[@snowthearcticfox1]

The number of people being salty over this is insane

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

i still hate the idea of instead of making all plane play feel great and good control they just nerf this nerf that and make all jet feel clunky

[@christophermalthe1818]

@@annguyenlehoang7779 play Arcade😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Flamincow67]

What's insane is the people saying the Gripen needs to be nerfed more are the same people who say the f-15 has a bad airframe (its quite literally the best plane in the game when flown correctly).