The Power of Meat: Vitality and Health at Any Age | Shawn Baker & Stan Efferding

A whole lot of meat on today's podcast. Shawn Baker is the one responsible for making the Carnivore Diet as popular as it is and Stan The Rhino Efferding is the one responsible for making rice and meat popular with his Monster Mash and Vertical Diet. Both are here to discuss World Carnivore Month and the benefits of eating meat.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Episode Preview
00:38 - Stan came prepared
01:49 - Reading mean tweets
02:56 - Shawn cleared the way for everyone to recommend red meat
04:00 - Do any comments actually hurt?
07:47 - There’s no such thing as a vegan diet
08:58 - Shawn’s testosterone level
13:05 - Shawn has 100’s of success stories
14:25 - Veganism kills a lot of animals
15:53 - Cow farts an actual issue?
21:07 - Dairy farming in the states is very efficient
23:11 - How well can people perform on a low carb diet?
28:44 - You could take the stairs or the elevator (carbs) to the top
34:00 - Carnivore diet as we age
39:42 - Kids need to eat this to gain muscle
41:22 - Shawn’s struggles before the Carnivore Diet
43:56 - Stan’s aches and pains
45:40 - Pain management research
50:07 - Stan is the ultimate student
52:40 - Pain is not a good predictor of injury
54:35 - How do Shawn and Stan stay resilient
1:05:15 - What should people avoid to perform better?
1:14:09 - If we eliminated all plants from our diet, we’d all be healthy
1:16:02 - Stan doesn’t want to demonize foods
1:20:32 - Long term carnivore diet results
1:22:26 - 15-20% of Americans have IBS
1:24:13 - Shawn should be dead
1:25:21 - Micronutrient deficiencies with Carnivore Diet
1:28:00 - Eating raw meat
1:29:57 - Sodium is extremely important
1:40:06 - MarekHealth.com is the best place order blood work
1:47:52 - Working with Jon “Bones” Jones
1:56:03 - Show wrap up
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1:59:40 - Where to find Stan and Shawn online
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2:02:05 - Sign off
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[@stephiegetsit]

Salt is so important, Animals in the wild will walk for miles to reach a salt lick. Farmers know that. And some hunter's know this very well also.

[@geverniveup]

This is my first time hearing Stan talk. What an articulate, well read, intelligent fellow…great talk guys

[@jessclark1522]

Stan is amazing. He always says he isn’t a genius he just surrounds himself with geniuses. His diet and the things he says to do along with it changed my life

[@chingonbass]

I suggest you binge on stans material. Cool guy

[@jonanbahnsen3935]

Addicted to his stuff. He has an ability to be so well spoken backing up his pointd and delivering them in a funny manner. On top of that he manages to sell stiff on his channel in a funny way. He is filthy rich btw. No wonder tbh

[@mforgetteable]

Mmm mmm mi

[@twags2172]

He has a seminar it's on KZbin its incredible

[@scotlynhatt]

As part of the 50+ club I can attest that strength and muscle-growth are totally possible and the gentleman here along with a few other non-bullshit channels have helped bring back my youth in the gym and in life. Knowledge is power.

[@incorectulpolitic]

What do you eat, take?

[@scotlynhatt]

@@incorectulpolitic for me consistency with diet and walking has been the key. I have always lifted so that has been a constant, so I just tweak that as I go. I did get blood work and had a 300 T score so I got the bio-identical pellets to get me in normal range of 800. Not enough to pack on muscle but enough to have an active life and do the work needed to be healthy.

[@Damudean]

I’m in the 50 plus and I can so my upper body is bigger than it’s been ever and I’m lighter than I’ve been since I was 16 years old. Ps I was very fit as a teenager

[@eliteviewer2457]

No one interrupts anyone. This is so great. You know how hard it is to get 4 people in a group talking and no one interrupts each other? Let alone for 2 hours! Such great flow and information.

[@shellderp]

these guys are top notch, incredibly smart, successful, jacked, respectful. Love hearing them talk

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

The irony is that when you increase the red meat you're so satisfied and satiated that it's hard to eat enough (protein or fat from animal sources) .. my shopping is so easy now.... Dr Baker is great, he knows that variation of carnivore is fine

[@joshgarner805]

I used both of these guys diets to lose 100lbs and I will still use their diets to aid me in reaching my goals. Right now I'm on the vertical diet to put on a little weight to increase my strength. I'm 12 weeks in and my deadlift is up 70lbs and I've put on 8-10lbs. Feeling great and stronger everyday. Love both of these guys.

[@joshgarner805]

I love Stan words on salt intake. I take in a high amount every day and I have people that are really worried about me. I tell them the facts from Stan and I tell them I get blood work done twice a year but they don't listen. I'm also a heavy salt sweater and I can tell when my salt intake is low during a said day because I cramp and feel weak. I grab some monster mash and throw some salt on it and grab a glass of water and in 30min I feel normal again. Salt is a very powerful thing.

[@Football__Junkie]

Exactly. Most people think salt is bad but the real problem is having an imbalance of too much sodium compared to your potassium, magnesium, etc

[@sayerslayer1854]

Same. Electrolytes, minerals. The industry purposefully put out disinformation to make people sick so they can sell them products that don't work. I love pink and sea salt and add it to almost everything, including watet and fruit :D people are paranoid because of lies. It was a commodity and currency in ages past. It is water's best friend, different from it as it is. No salt = heart problems, not the other way around. If it says "Salt" without the "Sea" it is mixed with sugar and other crap.

[@BrianDeCosta]

I hope it's not lost on people just how powerful it is to witness Shawn's first-take reaction to twitter hate and brush it off for the trash that it is. Shows he's a guy who's grounded in who he is and how he serves others to live better. It's mind-numbing to me the lack of self-awareness haters like this have. "Shawn is on a podcast and has helped many people. I have not, and nobody is DMing me to be on a podcast, and I am irrelevant to his life... actually my life sucks, so maybe I can find some pleasure in making him feel bad..." Shut the mouth, know your role, my god

[@JasonOwensYT]

Most woke vegans like that commenter are miserable fake enlightened people. Its why Shawn doesnt take them seriously. Hes know they are a joke.

[@amishtechwizard5540]

This is the greatest failure of social media. Everyone is now convinced what they have to say is important.

[@erickhoustonian]

Stan is amazing, glad the gang brought him back so hats off to them!

[@GericOrias]

Currently listening to the podcast on Google podcasts... Won't give any spoilers until it goes live on here but so far it's awesome! Helping me get thru my graveyard shift lol

[@GabrielleAmadeusMozart]

Shawn Baker just a beacon of knowledge. Kinda intimidating that he is just streamlining information down the lens of the camera and straight into my brain. So good to have Rhino Efferding to pave and follow up on the wealth of information. What a team, what a show! Thank you very much, MB'sPP

[@brooksjenkins7851]

We are so so lucky this is free content. Absolute gold from the goats 🙏🏼 thank you guys.

[@davidwalker8754]

I could not say it better! " Shawn..." While I'm known for a carnivore diet, whatever diet works best for you, is what I'm shooting for.....of course I believe Meat and eggs should be part of that".......perfect Rhino is a few years older than me but we are from the same N.W. region...I hope that some day I could be ripped like him and legit strong like him...Great cast thanks gents

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

As a individual that eats a plant based diet, I found this discussion very informative regardless of the diet you choose to follow.

[@dudekdudek9095]

Big fan of the Doctor and Rhino !! Love following these guys here on YT follow and learn !!

[@utgardkraft1412]

When Shawn and Stan speak I listen. Both are well spoken and entertaining while providing excellent information.

[@jw8927]

I love you have Shawn Baker on the show . He is are great carnivore advocate.

[@farina6479]

Dr Baker has class and doesn’t loose his cool…I’ve seen him in other videos we’re his getting Challenge…I’m not Carnivore only eater …. But I do respect his discussions his views and his knowledge in that area… he Doesn’t seem to try and shove it down anybody’s throat ..his open to discussion…..good going doc

[@devanbarger3630]

What we need is polyculture farms and more farmers. We need more farms that produce beef, dairy, pork, poultry, AND crops. #Permaculture

[@dr.ogremitsu-77]

Thanks for all the great content and guests over the years. By far my favorite channel, these guys are fountains of knowledge. All of you. Cheers 🥂

[@michaelcreger2127]

In at wk 2 of carnivore and down 5lbs and feeling great!

[@bigz5262]

Are you still doing it?

[@DiarioCarnivoro]

Dr Shawn Baker is the best! Period.

[@terrancephillips5798]

I just wanted to take a moment and thank Stan Efferding for what he said about not defining people as broken. I’m finding myself at 48 years old having to make a physical comeback after treating myself pretty badly the last couple of years. At times it really seems like it’s over for me. I’m going to take his advice to heart. “Nocebo” should be a new word that enters the fitness vernacular. Thanks again.

[@scammellman]

What a great podcast guys 👍 I'm of a similar age to Stan and Shawn and I find it fascinating to listen to these articulate and intelligent men with similar mind set to my own, keep up the good work.

[@bloodwolf2685]

On the collagen comment from Stan. I have recently come across a study that showed how amino acid segments can survive the digestive tract and enter the bloodstream either whole or in large chunks. I think it is an area that isn't researched well enough to make a definitive clam as of yet. But there is also something to be said that eating liver, could potentially provide all of the necessary components to help support liver healing and function in a much easier capacity by making sure you do get all that is needed.

[@CBarmore1]

Such a quality podcast. Information galore. Will definitely be relistening to this one.

[@Amanda.c91]

Female fan here, great show Mark! I have dr bakers book here on my nightstand! Haha

[@robf7829]

That's great! You've got a good book there.

[@dakotasonney2142]

God damn i love Dr. Baker, he literally states you can live a healthy life vegan, you dont have to do carnivore, you should do the diet that works for you, he isn't completely against carbs. You'll never hear a vegan say anything that contrasts their personal lifestyle

[@stx7389]

Veganism is not diet, start using your brain

[@dakotasonney2142]

@@stx7389 did you read my comment? I'm not a proponent of the vegan diet. I'm saying i like Dr. Baker cause he doesn't just scream carnivore is the only way. Relax pal

[@stx7389]

@@dakotasonney2142 veganism is not a diet, vegans scream because of the brutal animal torture, not because meat doesn't taste good

[@dakotasonney2142]

@@stx7389 okay? Are you a vegan? You sound like a vegan

[@stx7389]

@@dakotasonney2142 doesn't matter

[@eric_martindale1711]

I couldn’t agree more about the myth that performance drops at any particular age. At almost 45, I am still chasing PR‘s, and occasionally hitting them. My friends and peers are falling apart, but I do not believe its age. I firmly believe that it is abuse that causes people to break down in their 40s and 50s.

[@mr.hallman333]

All these fellas here have a wealth of knowledge. All or older gentlemen in extremely good shape..... They talk I listen

[@whytehunter5050]

ALL the body builders and powerlifters in the golden days of training are this way.

[@Damudean]

I tried to start sprinting, I didn’t do much but I was too stiff and to do it again for 4 days. Then when I tried again I strain my my groin where I had a hernia operation. But pissed but it’s not going to stop me. I just wish I never had the op. Or was on carnivore a good time before I did it

[@mxmatc]

Fantastic podcast. Definitely learned a lot about diet/nutrition and also first time hearing Stan. Good stuff guys and great guests!

[@GericOrias]

Awesome video/podcast! Got to finally get Stan Efferding's voice. Definitely not what I expected. So much more soft spoken (thought he'd have a Stone Cold Steve Austin voice lol). But him and Dr Baker joining up was so awesome to hear! Their info was priceless. Also, was very cool to hear Stan give a shout out to the Barbell Medicine guys! I follow em and their content is awesome too! If Mark Bell could book em for a podcast appearance that would be the best!

[@ammovette]

The men at this table redefine what it means to be in the prime of life!

[@Rick321010]

They are all on Stuff.

[@ammovette]

@@Rick321010 I think Doc Baker said if you pay for the test (steroids) he would take it.

[@brinnr.2111]

I’ve heard a general rule of thumb is 2:1 ratio potassium to sodium intake. The total Balance of all electrolytes is more important than just getting in sodium.

[@UncommonSense]

This gonna be a good one, Love Stan and Shawn

[@geekyboytop]

So much good knowledge here, I will need to listen to this again.

[@bryanboudreaux8661]

Stan, Mark, Shawn, Nsima, and Andrew all on the mic during World Carnivore Month...the Moo-Tang Clan! Spittin' Hot Fiyah.

[@josefernandez7780]

The carnivore diet works (if by "works" we are referring to the correction of auto-immune disorders.. and not necessarily maximizing muscle growth). Period. That said, I would caution anyone keeping or adding eggs in this diet as many people have a negative auto-immune response with eggs (mainly associated, though not always, to the egg whites whose role is to "protect" the yolk from external aggressions). If that is the case, then it'd be interesting to hear Shawn and Stan's views on what is an adequate substitute for eggs in the diet given that this is one of nature's "super-foods." Mike, can we get your views as well? The closest I've come up with (cognizant of all imperfections) is hemp seeds mixed with a collagen protein supplement. For me, as a long-time sufferer of egg, milk and wheat intolerances, it seems to work pretty well. Just my two cents, in case someone had jumped on the carnivore boat and wasn't seeing "results"... might be the eggs. A blood test on food allergies might be worth getting to confirm this.

[@dreaminginnoother]

Stan and Shawn are both awesome. Great interview.

[@KaayJaay]

Dr. Baker. The. Goat. Lol In carnivore we trust.

[@dakotasonney2142]

Dude... I'm FUCKING PUMPED for this! Whoooooooooooo!!!!

[@forcela000]

It would be cool to have the barbell medicine team on your podcast 💪

[@iDeist]

Killer podcast, filled with so much excellent information. If you care about your health and how you feel, you need to give it a listen.

[@METAL__MECHANIC]

Great episode guys. Stan is always a pleasure to listen to.

[@travismckinnon2494]

Mark you should have someone on who knows alot about water and the negative side effects of plastic and all the added chemicals etc. From the little research I have done it seems water can hold a ton of information and even frequency can affect its structure like music, radio waves and wifi etc. Kind of crazy considering we are mainly water. Keep up the great content thanks.

[@Dustin_Amberg]

Awesome, my favorite guests, thank you!!!

[@Dustin_Amberg]

My favorite guests, thank you!!!

[@drip369]

Red meats, their organs, eggs&mushrooms are the best foods, period. Season with real salt, turmeric and I even use sage&ginger on my salmon

[@CarnivoreTom]

Does anyone notice that this podcast is having podcast you dont want miss a min, where for me even Rogan im like its on but in the background.. keep it up guys!

[@METAL__MECHANIC]

Love Rogan, but I'm with you. 3 hours is too long for a podcast

[@korbandallas8931]

I got a 24oz grass fed ribeye im about to destroy as I watch this...Dr. Baker and Stan have to be 2 of the most intellegent people on the planet. Good job guys getting these 2 super heroes together. Saving the planet taking out 1 vegan at a time.

[@danielfermanian1882]

I am for the vertical diet, sadly I’m surrounded by people who say “ to much red meat is bad for you” “ dairy is bad for you you don’t need it” and these are family members who drink processed almond milk listen to Drberg😂. I agree it’s hard to find good meat in store that is not heavily processed and filled with a ton garbage that can harm you. Same for dairy. Raw dairy is the way too. People just automatically assume that red meat is bad because one post they read that’s probably half shitted with little to no research put in. RED MEAT and DAIRY will NOT harm you. but the right shit and do it and you’ll feel the difference, especially for me in mental clarity and that was only one strict week doing the vertical diet.

[@danielfermanian1882]

Carnivore diet is the most attacked diet and nobody can prove it’s bad for you ? Because it’s not bad for you. Feel like it’s a deep state cue for them to lead people into being against things like this that are good for you to replace it with gmo garbage and fake meat filler bullshit.

[@grahamkovacs5691]

Stan is a legend

[@ricksikora7270]

2 studs on one podcast, awesome.

[@ascendtoaesthetics]

*4

[@ricksikora7270]

@@ascendtoaesthetics Sorry, you are so right.

[@koreyhannan9071]

52:40 at .5 speed. Haha. Great information guys. Getting these four together was phenomenal

[@briangalloway3684]

Great sode. Took a few things with me 😃 keep up the great content

[@JolicoeurAbear]

hey Shawn I grew up in Portland too in the 60s, St. John's area

[@TDace25]

Almost lost it at “spackling the can” 1:07:08!at work 💀💀💀

[@landerval7882]

Does anybody have links for some research/info on meat production vs plant production CO2 emissions and impact on the environment? Dr Baker peaked my interest and I would love to learn more about this

[@stanefferding]

Eating less meat won’t save the planet, here’s why: “What I’ve Learned” kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXiqXnRuZbmfa8k

[@montage64]

Stan is looking cranked!!!!

[@jaytouvelle2359]

Shawn and I talked a lot at our gym in laguna. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY WORKOUT ON THE Airdyne BIKE.

[@kylenolan8976]

It’s growing more everyday!!🙌meat and fruit !

[@sunhairforest5293]

Ever since I been mainly eating protein and trying to only keep my carbs at 50g and sometimes a little more after lifting, I've lost fat and went from pre diabetic to no longer pre diabetic,,, and I'm a hippie kinda dude but I can't stand how vegans act towards people,,,, I'm like the native Americans and use as much of the animal I can,,I eat organs,,wear leather and continue to have better health from the consumption of meat based protein and some vegetables. 🍗🥩🥓and 🥦🥑🍎

[@chwillsie]

Loved hearing stan shout out the BBM docs

[@kevinjack5184]

Collagen supplements might be wasted $. That's what I learned

[@danj1939]

Have been really looking forward to this

[@thebigredfish]

Great interview. Thanks.

[@tonyscaccia743]

Redmond real salt is KING

[@manu85345]

Dude, do an episode with Jordan and Austin from barbell medicine

[@daitallon]

Stan's still lookin jacked

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

Who in their right mind would replace butter with canola oil?

[@twags2172]

Sean and Stan and mark best in the business

[@iG34RH34D]

Best thing I've watched in a long time.

[@kostaskr98]

Strong tablee I have to say!! Great talk! Thanks!

[@user-gp1zv5pn2o]

Steak, eggs, and milk! 🤴🐮😄👍

[@TheDanson000]

1:20:00 Keto for 3 years. Then the knifes came to me in my sleep and started tearing my legs apart i.e. horrible terrifying pain (think of the movie series Saw) leg cramps.

[@ascendtoaesthetics]

cut out plants and eat more salt or more fibre free carbohydrate.

[@Snapkrackpop]

For STAN - I am 44 and have hypo functioning hypothalamus/pituitary...and everything down stream from decades of oxycodone/oxycontin use for chronic pain secondary to Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Endocrinologists have been useless for me... how do you manage your hypogonadal issues? I supplement: t3, t4, sermorelin acetate, biest, progesterone, trt cypionate. can't supplement oxytocin due to a fused pelvis...

[@theoneandonly668]

I love how they are all juiced to the gills….

[@RenegadeRanga]

Stan is still an absolute unit and shaun is awesome too.

[@erikec67]

I remember people saying if he does Carnivore for more than a month he will be dead. Five years later. LOL!

[@krzysztofh6308]

Japan has one of the highest if not the highest salt intake (arround 11g/day) around the world and yet the lowest CVD mortality.

[@em34ev3r]

Oh but guess what they also have, highest rates of stomach cancer in Asia. Too much of something is not always good

[@krzysztofh6308]

@@em34ev3r I never said there is no upper limit for salt intake. Besides, Japan's stomach cancer death rate is arround 13 per 100000 population, so why would anyone care. Japan still has lower rates than Kazakhstan, Russia, Peru, Costa Rica, Columbia, so it doesn't seem like salt plays that crucial role, even simple observations doesn't support that.

[@RazmiWellness]

@@em34ev3r The rate of tobacco use is extremely high and that's certainly contributing to the rate of digestive cancers.

[@ZippyLikesZippers]

This needs to happen more often.

[@Jimbob-ow1mg]

Just ate two rib eyes cooked in butter watching this

[@unlimited-limitless]

But still for the Ultimate Nutrition knowledge you gotta invite Bart Kay.

[@krzysztofh6308]

Bart Kay is a joke😂😂😂

[@erickhoustonian]

Love you guys, great job always, stan daa man!!!

[@zarathustra007]

great discussion and content

[@jw8927]

I am almost 62 and my testosterone tested 475 . Is that good for my age ?

[@everythingbearausphreak7370]

panel of ledgens ! 🤙

[@doug2993]

Stan, still a monster at 50+ years old. Boom!

[@rogerh2694]

How is Mark Bell 6 feet when he's the shortest???

[@MsBigTime]

Great podcast!!

[@tariqo16]

My favourite part of the episode is at 57:40

[@legitiotic]

Just here to compliment Nsima's shoes✊

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Have Bart Kay debate Stan Efferding. That would be a fun podcast. Plus tell Bart Kay if he gets out of line with his language, they have to go to the gym to resolve the debate jejeje jejeje. Great podcast !!!

[@dbjmk8083]

Bart has interviewed Efferding but it wasn't a debate, just letting Efferding share his approach.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

@@dbjmk8083 Yes, saw it. Boring. It was all marketing for each to grow their KZbin views $$$. Made me sad. Spews for views.

[@Blackwindzero]

@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica I agree, thats why my favourite pass time is wrestling and reality tv shows.

[@dizzywillow451]

Great show

[@YoooPatrick]

Eating ground beef as Im watching this.

[@robertl2227]

Great episode

[@vincent4267]

Would these guys be up to doing the longevity test that Bryan Johnson guy is doing?

[@ThatMFShawnzy]

Been waiting for this one!