The Prince of Egypt (1998) - Rameses vs. Moses

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This is a scene from the 1998 DreamWorks film "The Prince of Egypt" in which Moses explains his mission to Rameses, who then turns against Moses and refuses to let his people go. I edited this scene to make it more intense.
No copyright infringement intended.

[@kaylasilverstein4137]

Ok, the way he opens his eyes again at 1:47 with that NOISE, is somehow one of the single scariest “jump scares” I have ever seen. I’ve seen this movie so many times and it NEVER fails to startle me because I can somehow never tell exactly when it’s gonna happen. Kudos to the amazing animators (and writers, and just about everyone) for that!

[@thomashaeyen6942]

Me too.

[@Somespideronline]

Wtf it was too loud

[@nnedinmaa]

Same I was so scared

[@gamefan6219]

@@nnedinmaa It was like his own father's spirit succeeded in taking over his body. It's downright bonechilling.

[@Wolf6119]

In that exact moment his big brother Rameses is lost for good, and hard-hearted Pharaoh is born.

[@lukebrumley2798]

I love how when Moses looks out, he sees the slaves, and when Rameses looks out, he only sees the sculptures they’ve built, genius

[@AncientSavant7572]

Notice how back when Seti was chastising Ramses and Moses, Nature was obvious, like perhaps Seti understood the need for balance between man and nature. Ramses goes all out, no hesitation in a clear attempt to not be the weak link

[@mrgiraffelover7388]

​@@AncientSavant7572To be fair, Seti chastised Rameses more obviously while allowing Moses to get away with everything .

[@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221]

Why Ramses is bald?

[@plainjanex9970]

@@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221in ancient egyptian culture the beauty standard was to be hairless so shaving was a constant requirement. he’s not actually bald lol he just shaved his head

[@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221]

Ah I see

[@Emilie13love]

I can understand Rameses' point of view. He grew up in his father's shadow, being constantly criticised and abused to get everything right to the T. Now he's the ruler of a successful empire and everything is going to plan, his brother who he loved dearly and thought was dead has only come back to tell him to throw it all away. What Rameses is doing isn't right by any means, but I can see why he's stubborn.

[@Rensune]

Slavery was common back then. Imagine something common now, that no one gives a second thought about (something you might even rely on) and then being told by someone you Love that it's wrong. How would you feel?

[@ns-fi1vv]

1:45 SCARY

[@Astrothunder_]

It’s really how most kings seemed to be. So much pressure as they were young to be better and achieve AT LEAST as much as their fathers. They often ran cities into the ground or had them flourish but at any cost (the cost of the people or thousands of slaves) just to achieve this.

[@tutzbelike6095]

Omg. Somebody actually has the same opinion. I said the same thing to my friends but all they say is that, "o my God. Slavery is not good. So he is a bad person!" I tried explaining how slavery was the norm but they kept insisting. Sigh. All I could say is that Ramses is hot in this animation😍

[@jalenedwards4935]

@@dianachin4849 you think

[@MacyPooh196]

The way Ramses’ face drops when he realizes Moses isn’t there to be his brother is so intensely sad.

[@destinythomas5537]

Very. You can tell he loved him very much

[@awags5547]

He said 👁👄👁

[@Surfing1709]

It‘s the moment when evil has been born and turns wicked by the fact Ramses feels betrayed. That was true love!

[@eb3674]

This is just an animated movie from Dreamworks, who normally make movies for children. This movie is based on biblical events but not the fully accurate. The real Remses was evil and had a lot of pride and arrogance and wanted to continue his fathers legacy. Actually when Moses was adopted by the Pharaoh’s daughter he was a cousin to the prince Ramses not a brother and a grandson to the Pharaoh before Ramses. Pharaoh showed favoritism toward Ramses and saw Moses as less because he knew he was Hebrew. As Moses became a prince, he himself was also arrogant and proud of being a prince, even though at a young age he was taught about God and Hebrew worship by his original mother who was permitted to be his nurse but without revilIng she was his mother for Moses’ protection. Eventually Moses had knowledge that he was a Hebrew/Israelite by the time he left Egypt after he killed the Egyptian beating one of the slaves trying to stop it. It was out of anger. But again, Moses was arrogant and had a rage. Ramses had let him run away spearing his life. But also wanted to kill Moses because of what he did. Moses eventually saw himself unworthy to lead the Israelites out of Egypt because he knew he murdered someone. Even then God chose him because his heart had changed. In this scene, when Moses asks Ramses to see what’s going on with the Israelites, it actually shows him ignoring what Moses sees as far as what the Egyptians were doing and answers it differently. So even if Moses had come back to be with Ramses, Ramses most likely would of kept enslaving them and killing the male children. They just had to make the movie more interesting based on them being brothers.

[@janderson947]

@@eb3674 true but even in the bible God said I will harden pharaohs heart so even when a part of him reached out toward Moses it wouldn't last because God's glory had to be shown because Pharoah changed his mind and decided to enslave them again then the red seas

[@bainbonic]

To be fair on Ramses, he could easily have ordered his guards to kill Moses then and there. As hard as his heart became, there was that part of him that still loved his brother.

[@SA-yl9rl]

In reality though, it was God's protection

[@alibabasaluja2000]

@@SA-yl9rl God cannot and WILL NOT control people. Free will was what he gave to humans to let us choose right and wrong. If he could control Rameses there would have been no need for Moses in the first place. He didnt kill Moses because of their shared past. Don't confuse Human Emotions for an act of God. There are MANY points in this movie he could've killed Moses and just chose not to

[@SA-yl9rl]

@@alibabasaluja2000 God has power over all things, however yes agreed that God doesn't micro manage in that sense. We have free will, agreed. However, there is also fate and destiny and God's plan. The problem is when we try to make sense of God's omniscience, fate and human free will we try to understand it within the context or framework of a straight space-time dimension, a rational chronology - the only thing we've experienced. However, there are dimensions we haven't experienced and cannot fathom or understand so any realities that occur wholly or in an overlapping way in other dimensions we won't be able to make sense of. Human emotion is absolutely real and we do choose to do things, God doesn't wrong anyone He judges us based on choices we ourselves made though this movie is an adaptation and I do think we'll never know 100% the complexities of the Ramses-Moses relationship. But yes, Moses peace be upon him was a messenger of God he was absolutely in God's protection and some of that was through the pharaoh and his wife's soft heartedness e.g. when they took him in as a baby. We can't explain absolutely everything because we've not experienced it all. We can't speak in more detail of what we don't know.

[@biskay6240]

@@SA-yl9rl also multiple times in this book it's stated from God that He is there to protect him due to moses being afraid of it all. not only moses, but many other icons in the Bible are reassured including the one reading. in about every book of the Bible it mentions along the lines of Him helping and protecting "the Lord declares." we have free will, but because of that judgement is made and events based on our actions are created by God for teachings, faith, care, etc. it makes sense, like the highest parent for us all based on our actions, and in the end of judgement it will truly be shown c:

[@merlinilrem]

@@SA-yl9rl >reality >god hmmmmmmm

[@KyProRen]

0:59 - 1:47 THIS is how you animate a perfectly sympathetic villain. He went from sad, to regretful, to frustrated, to vengeful in less than a minute. That's the sign of someone who's going through so much.

[@amaxwiththefacts]

Nostalgia Critic.

[@oldrabbit8290]

My fav is the 1:23 - 1:38.. at first he looked like a Disney villain, but a few expression later you know that he's completely broken.. and then "just.. i had hoped.." it broke me too..

[@KingdomHeartsFan3211]

It's like when he closed his eyes, an entirely different person opened them.

[@matthewdilday7918]

Also, he felt betrayed.

[@YrahSGLH]

I don't see Rameses as a villain.

[@mariekano9730]

I will not be the weak link......damn he really took that to heart. That's what happens when parents are too hard on their kids they get traumatized

[@erindowning9375]

I'll bet Seti the 1'st who is in Hell was screaming to Ramses Shouting. SOFFEN YOUR HEART NOW & FORGET ALL I SAID ABOUT YOU! SURRENDER TO GOD'S WILL! PUT YOUR PRIDE ASIDE! DO NOT COME HERE TO HELL!

[@andrewchung2940]

A tragic irony when his insistence on not being the weak link actually led to the destruction of Egypt...

[@silversmoke4159]

@@andrewchung2940 Which Moses accidently predicted when they were teenagers

[@NightOwl1515]

Ephesians 6:4

[@masterag4068]

Marina Syndulla it’s kinda funny that your profile pick is Ashi since she was abused by her mother her whole life.

[@norabellerose8560]

The animation in this movie is insanely beautiful and it still holds up today as a incredibly beautiful animated film

[@TheInsensitiveAsshole]

+dylan bellerose That it does, it truly does.

[@lol-rw7kq]

IKR I THOUGHT THIS WAS MADE IN LIKE 2009 OR SOMETHING ITS SO DETAILED AND NICE

[@tbn22]

Old animation is so much better than new. Movies like this and the hunchback of Notre Dame are timeless masterpieces.

[@TwelvetreeZ]

The part where Ramses receives the ring, and you see a swift succession of emotions - hurt, regret, sadness, anger - cross his face is incredible, even now. This film is about 20 years old too!

[@balduran.]

not only does it hold up, its still wasnt topped by anything disney or pixar produced

[@garchompelago]

"So....you have returned....only to free them." You can see the pain in his eyes and the sorrow in his voice. Massive respect to the voice actor and the animators. The emotions in this movie has been portrayed quite wonderfully. Not much animated movies nowadays can convey such level of emotions in their characters.

[@Powerranger-le4up]

Ralph Fiennes did a fantastic job.

[@arbitrarylib]

Yes, yes and yes

[@weluvb5]

Up until that point Rameses isn't taking Moses' reasoning for coming back to Egypt seriously; he thinks that he's pulling another one of their childhood pranks. It all becomes his worst nightmare when Moses gives his ring back.

[@beccarind4854]

Ralph Fiennes is a legend. He’s amazing. Check him out as Voldemort in Harry Potter. You can thank me later 😊

[@MrKingYuji]

Ramses thought Moses came back because he missed him and the family. But Moses came back ONLY to free the slaves then leave. That must have hurt

[@trymeonforsize9343]

What's interesting about this scene is that when Ramses brings Moses to talk, he takes off his head piece immediately. A real sign of trust and his view of Moses; a brother, family, and someone he felt at ease with. None of the "I am pharoh" bs. I'm sure he already knew about the blood relations (or lack of) but he felt his bond was with his brother was beyond that. I mean Moses sorta fucked up by saying yes when Ramses states he ONLY came to free the slaves. To Ramses, it was like "I mean, I wasn't even thinking about you, bro." What he saw was a betrayal. The symbolism of placing the headpiece on is a big indicator that Ramses no longer saw Moses in that brothership bond. Posture and everything changes for him. No more relaxed posture, leaning back. Just a rigid iron stance. That's some insane animation details that makes me love this film so much.

[@silentjackm.d4490]

Also his face, honestly people don't even realize that's one of the greatest animations ever drawn and for such a simple thing. In less than a minute Ramses goes through all the emotions a person would in this situation from sadness regret and remorse, to anger, back to sadness, contemplation and acceptance before finally determination and rage

[@Thoralmir]

And consider that the cobra god Wadjet, the protector of the Royal Family, is on the headpiece. The cobra, with it's hood flared, ready to strike at all who mean the wearer harm.

[@ischeele7203]

@@Thoralmir Maybe the cobra on the headdress is why God changed the staff into a snake, like 'I created even your protectors'.

[@graceclark3481]

Um can you really say Moses screwed up when for one thing this is a fictional relationship. 2: Rameses had the same attitude as his father of holding the Israelis as lesser human beings. Even if Moses had put it differently, do you really think rameses would have agreed to free the slaves? Especially when the Egyptians had the mentality that they had the right to slaves. So I don't really see any logic in the argument you have.

[@trymeonforsize9343]

Grace Clark The reason you don't see any logic is likely because my comment was 1. Its not a logistical concept, it was an emotional concept. 2. Its not an argument. Yes, I'm aware this is fiction, it's friggin animated, for pete's sake. I used to be Catholic, I'm aware Moses wasn't even doing most of the talking anyway, Aaron was. In this story, they had a closer bond, and theres nothing wrong with acknowledging that. I was appreciating the downfall of a brotherly bond, and how the animators were able to portray the emotion on the villain so well. I never claimed to defend Rameses, nor am I pitching Moses as the bad guy. When I said Moses fucked up it was more about relationship with his brother and how he decided to not even acknowledge his brother in his return.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

“So you have returned...only to free them.” Damn that’s heartbreaking.

[@khakachu7778]

How is it heartbreaking ? Tell me

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@khakachu7778 Because Moses didn't come back for him. He only came back to free his people. Rameses missed his brother and desperately hoped he would come back and they would be together again. Basically if God hadn't called on Moses to free his people, he would have never even considered going back to see Rameses.

[@stopit8022]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 yes while that may be so rameses was still responsible for the cruel enslavement of millions of hebrews.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@stopit8022 Oh I'm not defending him. He was 100% in the wrong. It's just sad that Rameses and Moses loved and cared about each other so much and yet were never able to regain the bond they had.

[@stopit8022]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 yep but that's in the between stuff it's not biblical just in the movie but yeah I understand but it's like moses said he brought this upon himself Moses loved him but loved God more.

[@CanterlotCrusader]

Him saying "I had hoped..." before committing to his role as pharaoh is just such a perfect moment of subtlety and character.

[@Gaelek13]

I always appreciated how they didn't make Ramses a two-dimensional villain, but a layered antagonist who feels like a real person to the point you do actually feel pangs for sympathy for the guy.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I love it when the story’s hero and villain are equally compelling

[@kikicallahan3662]

A three-dimensional villain!

[@MichaelCHorler]

I see why Ralph Fiennes is always cast to play villains, he's a very powerful and talented actor.

[@GreatWestern175]

And he voiced Jesus Christ in The Miracle Maker two years after Prince of Egypt. Thats really remarkable

[@jonesinator47]

Case in point Amon Göth

[@mirkomilazzo4251]

He also played Voldemort in the Harry Potter series. He is burn to be a villain

[@manuelorozco7760]

At least I saw him play a good guy for a change in Maid in Manhattan

[@elijahbaisa886]

He is also in one of the Bond movies whose name is M.

[@faustian892]

"I edited this scene to make it more intense" boosted the audio so loud blew my eardrums out shit

[@lord_ozymandias]

OW FUCK

[@harpseal9234]

Its part *#dankmeme* !!

[@emilyb7867]

-"So you have returned... only to free them..." My Lord! I can see his pain of being somehow replaced by his beloved brother

[@caitlinjane92]

Or rejected, more like. He had assumed that Moses had returned to be with him again like they were in the past.

[@superfrank2257]

Ramses' father is the real villain, even if he died.

[@jamescrockett88]

Or his grandpa, whoever started this chain.

[@beastlyboi1294]

The deadly family saying: I WILL NOT BE THE WEAK LINK

[@khakachu7778]

I 50000% agree with you And then Ramses’ the Secondth became the villain too.

[@angelosoariel]

They’re both villains lmao

[@xavierwoodley]

Facts, Moses deep down wanted Ramsese to come with him to the promise land, so it would be just like old times, brother & brother.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

It's great how believable he is as a person; he always feared being a disappointment to his father and never opened up properly to anyone but Moses about it, Moses disappears and he's left with this huge responsibility and no confidant. Then Moses returns as a different person and Rameses just realised he lost his only real friend. What really struck me is how his father called him the Weak Link, and how he doesn't seem to care when he's young, just a little bit upset about it, but then he snaps in this shouting *"I WILL NOT BE THE WEAK LINK!"* and it shows how much that actually affected him flawlessly, without going into any overdone exposition.

[@Nicholas_Chen_]

He was indeed his brother, and his closet friend :(

[@arbitrarylib]

Wow. Great analysis

[@xiayabennett6982]

And you can see the recognition in Moses’ face when Ramses says that to him too.

[@Aemilius46]

Shows exactly how damaging abuse, and even words, can be!!

[@SJMJ91]

In some way, I feel sorry for Rameses. Clearly psychologically abused by his father who belittled him and he wants to live up to that legacy and honour his father but at the expense of being burdened with leading slavery and destroying his relationship with Moses. I’d rather be a better man who did the right thing with no family than become a bad man to honour my family.

[@paoortiz357]

SJMJ91 At least your mind is in a right place. Doing what's right is much better than anything. Gmh

[@EvelynL.1112]

SJMJ91 Same.

[@lightheart5]

I can believe that without Moses, Ramses became no better than his father

[@rebekahfunches6876]

Far easier said than done. But yes.

[@Marguerite21]

sj11791 - I felt very bad for Rameses too since his father was always so abusive and overly critical towards him. Moses was the only person who always stood up for him and would always get him out of trouble because he loved him. Plus, Moses felt bad for Rameses being scolded by his father. As for Moses returning to Egypt and telling Rameses to let his people go, I'm sure that Moses had told him so much on why slavery is wrong. I wish there could have been a scene where Moses tells Rameses how he lived his life out in the desert with the Medians. A scene with Moses telling him how they live in tents, some inside small stone buildings, and how they manage their food stock without slavery being involved. Also, the most important thing for Moses was to tell Rameses that following his father's expectations is evil. A kingdom that maintains slavery is a very evil thing. I'm also sure that Rameses did get the clear message from Moses that the Hebrews are human beings. Hebrews are not to remain slaves nor be treated like one. Despite that Rameses started feeling sad before defying Moses, I think that his own conscious was telling him to listen to Moses. To do the right thing. But unfortunately, Rameses was consumed by his ego. And, it's like what you stated, he feared about dishonoring his father.

[@jaybuckODT]

Moses: puts ring down. Ramses: “And I took that personally.”

[@joshuagrover795]

Can see why Moses returned the ring through if he had kept the Ring and wore it then Moses' people might have been suspicious that he still has a weak heart for his brother. By returning the ring, he broken with the past and his brother.

[@tzvisrael]

​​​The people don't know where he got the ring from, it just wasn't fair that he would keep gifts from Ramses after everything that happened to Egypt ​@@joshuagrover795

[@thomash8408]

You can see Ramses’s genuine love and trust in his brother. He takes off his crown in front of him, breaks his powerful posture, and talks very causally with him.

1:58 "I will not be the weak link". This is the nucleus of Rameses' tragedy in this movie. He believes it's all about his 'quality' as Pharaoh, a variable that he has been taught to value the most since he was a child. He can't see the human problem in having the Hebrews as slaves because they are too much of a token and a tool for Egypt's development, which is now directly linked to his worth in life. He can only take the demand of his former brother as his greatest test as a ruler: Will he 'fall for' the humanity in Moses' request or will he stand as strong and heart-hardened as the stones that erect his and his predecessors' legacy? Expertly calculated dilemma. This movie was very well written.

[@JoeyGirardin]

I mean, it was written by God, so you’d expect it to be good wouldn’t you?

@@JoeyGirardin The movie?

@notsuchagirlygirl101 101 Lol, so what does that have to do?

[@BrainSeepsOut]

1:47 RIP headphone users.

[@kevinfelicianne4117]

BrainSeepsOut loooool exactly !!! Same for me i was like wth?!!

[@Dash120z]

that scared the hell out of me

[@MrDarksword123]

good thing I saw the comment first lol

[@thatgrumpychick4928]

MrDarksword123 me too

[@CobraScarlett95]

Same! It actually hurt, I thought my eardrums were going to bust!

[@HoshikoYui]

The moment that two men who were once brothers united by bond, have been divided by destiny

[@AliAsif303]

+YuiHarunaShinozaki Everything changes when it concerns God and protecting humanity. Ramses was stubborn to acknowledge the pain and suffering that he was bringing to the poor people he had enslaved to preserve his pathetic image and self-righteous glory. He deserved his fate in the end. Now he rots even as of today in the Museum of Cairo.

[@mareofmaers3590]

+Ali Asif He wasn't stubborn. He was a victim of his time and his education (and God as well, but... well, that's another topic). He didn't know better, because he had been told all the time "You are a god" and "These are slaves, not really human" and "You have to be just like your father". You can't really blame him for becoming what everybody expected him to become....

[@AliAsif303]

Sally Sheogorath A victim? Moses was brought up by the same kind of education, but the only difference was that he never allowed status to interfere with his humanity. He listened to the cries of the people being our through that torture that Seti and later Ramses were inflicting. Moses not only thought with his mind but also his heart. What Ramses became was a tyrant who not only carried the horrible acts of his father but was going to inflict the same kind of punishment that Seti carried out in the beginning of the movie, killing all infants. He had a choice to relent but he let his stubbornness get the best of him and that is why God took his son from him. God is the one who gives life just add He can take it away. You disobey Him and you pay.

[@AliAsif303]

Sally Sheogorath "that is God's fault" How? Indeed God had hardened his heart because he consciously made the decision to ignore Moses and God's warnings. As punishment, God took away everything that Ramses took as his pride over the horrible acts that he inflicted on the innocent Hebrews. Poetic justice if you ask me. If Ramses had no idea what God Moses was talking about, he could have at least been mindful of the plagues that were coming about. You want to talk about pressure, see the slaves that were being pushed and abused against their will. That is not only pressure, that is pure unadulterated torture and Ramses had to be stopped.

[@mareofmaers3590]

I said, it's God's fault, too. He wanted to punish Ramses, so he let the people of Egypt suffer some more. Probably Ramses would have come to his senses if God didn't harden his heart. He isn't dumb after all. Also, again: the bible does not condemn slavery. It allows slavery, because it was normal that time. Hell, I just think of Lot, who wanted to sell his virgin daughter(s?) to a raping mob to save some strangers. Where was the punishment for Lot?

[@BlueMorningStar]

0:26 is such a great little piece of visual storytelling. Just showing how at ease Ramses is with Moses in how he's not only willing to take off his crown around him, but just kinda tosses it on the head of the lion statue where it sits at a cheeky slant. Not only does Ramses show the human being behind the edifice of the god-king pharaoh, he's even willing to wink and poke a bit of fun at the whole idea by 'crowning' the lion as pharaoh. And of course, the scene ends with Ramses putting his crown back on and resuming his father's mantel when he realizes Moses is not his brother anymore, but his adversary and the adversary to the entire order embodied by that crown.

[@arbitrarylib]

Right?? 😊😊

[@CrewsTheWildDawg]

Just like Nostalgia Critic said, "This is one of the best bits of animation ever made."

[@tribot9688]

Oh screw HIM!

[@Dogcatwoofmeow]

@@tribot9688 why

[@tribot9688]

Too famous for tastes.

[@thebandit0256]

@@Dogcatwoofmeow hes an East German

[@bleak9157]

@@thebandit0256 whats wrong with being german

[@Romandy13]

"I have to maintain the ancient traditions. I bear the weight of my father's crown." It's sounds as if Rameses had it memorized.

[@lakatoskilimandzsaro]

Romandy Doe kinda scary.

[@lightheart5]

Romandy Doe I always believed that if Moses didn't run away from Egypt, Rameses would have turned out differently

[@jrlinsin]

It's probably not the first time he's had to justify his cruelty to, not only others, but himself, as well.

[@xavierwoodley]

If God doesn't harden Ramses heart, I think him and Moses could reunite again and truly be Brothers like old times. Deep down, I think Moses wanted Ramses to come with him once he freed the slaves

[@harpseal9234]

Definatley. Alotta people say in this movie he probably had daddy issues. And being groomed his hole life to maintain the throne this stuff was beaten into his head .

[@TheBlackDemon1996]

I like the subtly of him taking off his crown to talk to Moses personally and then putting it back on when he realises that they are no longer brothers.

[@theminecraftgirly1013]

My heart broke when Moses gave back the ring , and how hurt rameses looked

[@BishounenLuvr]

Divorce. Yeah...It really hurt though. =D

[@thebroham21]

He was telling Rameses that he could no longer watch him treat the Hebrews and make them suffer like this. Just like Moses said, “ No Kingdom shall be made on the backs of slaves”.

[@EmptyMan000]

@@thebroham21 All Kingdoms are however. For every King, there is a commoner and the commoners do all the heavy lifting. Kings just give orders.

[@Captainkebbles1392]

You can see how hurt he is that Moses isn't going to go back to how it was, he truly loved him. Tho evil, he still only wanted his brother back

[@Godzilla00X]

Is he evil though? Sure what he does is wrong but he is deeply complex like most people. It's easy to just say he's evil, things just arent that simple though

[@nevadaaguilar2062]

kevin texter Sad as it was, Rameses had been brainwashed by his idiot father his entire life. There was never any talking him out of this.

[@leandrorodriguesrocha1578]

Whats great about this movie is that Ramses is not potrayed as "evil", but as a complex person. With many good qualities and troubled as anyone else. Of course, he is the son of the Pharaoh, and was raised to become the next, so he acts as intended to be "the strong link" in the chain, and "not the weak" one. He is more a victim of the circumstances and not just evil. He can't see the slaves as people as the rest of the other citizens. Anyway, a great movie. Probably the best religious movie ever made and one of the best animations of all time.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

Ramses is not evil. Slavery was a common practice at the time and slavery would remain a common practice for the next 4,000 or so years. Saying Ramses was evil for promoting slavery in his time (especially as a ruler, with a duty to his empire and people) is like saying you're evil for promoting pet ownership in our time.

[@ellieseo9074]

@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Hm... I don't think it was ordinary slavery though. Rameses's father put the Israelites through slavery not because he needed people to work and build stuff. He did it to make their lives bitter---it was out of pure hatred. So it's very likely that it was far more cruel than ordinary slavery. The Bible says it got increasingly "harsh" and "ruthless", and I don't remember the Bible using those words to describe slavery in any other context. And his father pretty much murdered thousands of Hebrew male babies, yet Rameses STILL say he was a great leader. I find Rameses' story sad, but I don't understand how a non evil person can say that 😬

[@Nicholas_Chen_]

I WILL NOT BE THE WEAK LINK The way he says it is so heartbreaking. So much pain, pride and trauma in the voice acting. He is a product of his time, a victim of his upbringing. You can feel how he could never walk out of the shadows of his father and his harsh teachings has haunted him, and it has deluded him to go against the very person he views as a brother, leading to his and his people’s eventual downfall. Yes, Ramses is a tragic villain, but he is so damaged and deluded by his past, his culture and pride, there is unfortunately, no cure for him.

[@arbitrarylib]

Mhm

[@Emilyloveshershihtzu]

And that’s on mental/emotional abuse.

[@ouhhhbeach5812]

@@Emilyloveshershihtzu I'm sorry but plz 😭😭😭😭 this is sending me

[@Emilyloveshershihtzu]

@@ouhhhbeach5812 lol wasn’t expecting that but ok 😂

[@knightofarkronia8652]

Even after all these years, he still remains in his father’s shadow.

[@GrvndMvsterVssvssin]

"Yes. . . I had hoped. . ." Once Ramases held the ring to himself, Seti's words echoed his mind. "BUT ONE WEAK LINK CAN BREAK THE CHAIN OF A MIGHTY DYNASTY!!" 1:46

[@diegobareno5820]

I wonder what he was going to say?

[@Wolf10media]

@@diegobareno5820 I caught that slight stammer in his lips, wow!!

[@christopherburksjr.5012]

1:59 "I WILL NOT BE THE WEAK LINK!"

[@user-mz9on8nn5b]

True

[@JeNn0mic0n]

Notice that when Moses asks Ramses what he sees, he's looking down at the Hebrew slaves at their pain and suffering; a symbol is his "lower stature". But when Ramses looks, he's looking up at the pyramids, the Egyptian empire and its accomplishments; symbols of his higher position. Great cinematography and symbolic attention to detail.

[@PBJG5]

Put yourself in ramses shoes for a moment: Imagine being a brother who was abused by his father while the younger brother is treated better, while grieving the loss of a father, then the only person in the world who seemed to care about him, his own brother, the only person who truly loved him, and that same person leaves your life. That's already devastating, but that same sibling comes back, not to be with his brother, but to free the slaves, this isnt just a good person and a villain this is two sides to a story, and ramses is just as tradgic as moses's story...

[@tzvisrael]

That's really true, but I do not think they gave Moses preferential treatment, just that his father is more difficult with him because he wants him to build a strong personality.

[@khakachu7778]

I agree with y’all but 0:45 what Seti l did to these babies was Horrifying

[@khakachu7778]

But to be honest guys if you saw the fandango movie clips, you would have seen that ramesses was holding grudges and Then Getting revenge on Moses this movie is based on a true story even tho not a lot a people know it- Moses and the Ten commandments#

[@ischeele7203]

@@tzvisrael Ramses is not his only son, but is his only heir. He didn't just mean Moses would never bear the weight of the throne just because he's younger. So he had nothing to gain and only time to waste if he tried driving home the duties of Pharaoh to Moses

[@destinythomas5537]

Great analysis. I agree

[@painthegreat]

0:44 what I love about this scene was in the background we saw Rameses having a statue much larger than that of his father, he wanted to be greater than him and be free from his shadow, not being the “weak link” In the chain. But this scene with him saying his father was a great leader shows even in death Rameses is still that kid from years ago feeling the weight of his fathers words on that throne

[@Wolf10media]

Even shadowed by the statue of his father. Meaning no matter how big he made his empire. To him deeply. He would still pale in comparison to his father.

[@a.jthomas6132]

Through Ramese’s face, you can how hurt and betrayed he was feeling.

[@HidanMoon]

I love how the frames change into a wider view of Egypt which shows the glorious monuments, when Moses asks Ramses what he sees. This lets us the viewer really get a good insight on how different the views of the two brother are. While one brother sees the slaves the other sees Egypts glory. Dreamwork did a great job on this film.

[@memecliparchives2254]

HidanMoon The slaves worked to build the greater Egypt Rameses was talking about with their blood and sweat.

[@Powerranger-le4up]

Not surprising since Steven Spielberg worked on this film. He is a Jew himself. As a Catholic Christian, I am part of the Christian group that Jesus founded that is the continuation of Judaism under the new Covenant, making Spielberg a spiritual brother.

[@manuelorozco7760]

@@Powerranger-le4up I’m Catholic and I respect how traditions are different

[@guestradamus]

I love how Pharaoh just leaves Moses in the throne room like ‘Come on out whenever bro’

[@GnzotheGr8]

1:46 "Watch this Lis, you can actually pinpoint the second where his heart is hardened."

[@anirbasnoel649]

gonzo the great 👏

[@polyhymnia701]

I literally just thought this 😂

[@Kira1Lawliet]

Prince of Egypt was one of those unique animated films that actually tried to make their characters MORE complex than they were in the source material. Most animated films (*cough*Disney*cough*) have to dilute the complexity of the villains when adapting them from source material in order to fit their style and a child-friendly audience. But the Pharaoh in the Bible is a completely one-dimensional character, and this version of him stands out like a Michelangelo sculpture from a child's crayon drawing. This movie really doesn't get anywhere near enough credit for all the enormous strides it made. It's easily better than 90% of the movies Disney has produced, and Disney is rarely less than quality.

[@magicfantasyanimation2373]

This is a dream works film not Disney

[@benjaminwevera.k.azorexxtr389]

@@magicfantasyanimation2373 that is Why this Movie is Awesome by Dreamworks before Shrek came out

[@manuelorozco7760]

I prefer Pixar over DreamWorks

[@SamPasserdoodlesandhappenings]

In spite of everything, all Rameses ever wanted was for his brother to come back. I loved how they made pharoah more than just a one dimensional villain. It makes you wish the two of them would've reconciled, and brought their relationship to a peaceful end. It's what makes the conclusion of this film so bittersweet.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I used to think it was pitch perfect

[@r-urelentlessandunstoppable]

Yeah, and you can also tell that Moses, even if he didn’t say it directly, was hoping that Ramses would abandon his past like he did, come with him and the Hebrews to join the Exodus, and…would have been willing to allow it, if Ramses obeyed God.

[@dova3282]

It actually makes me sad knowing DreamWorks were doing masterpieces like this and still didn’t receive appreciation

[@manuelorozco7760]

Kung Fu Panda is better than How to Train Your Dragon

[@Jhowy-wu3mr]

It’s amazing how they can show a character’s emotions so genuinely. It’s easy to connect to the same emotions while watching. They even have his lip quiver as if he’s about to cry and I was able to feel some of the same pain when he closed his eyes trying to hold it in and control his emotions. Really amazing.

[@2yoked70]

Wearing headphones and 1:48 literally scared the shit out of me, I had to run to the toilet

[@meeraglaize4168]

Lol same

[@kendylbigelow3097]

Scared me alittle. Plus his expression was alittle terrifying. Good job Ralph Fiennes.

[@thedreadheadedwarrior4476]

Hey man don’t curse its a sin Jesus you it so yeah and repent

[@thedreadheadedwarrior4476]

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord and believe in your that God raised him from the dead you will be saved

[@2yoked70]

@@thedreadheadedwarrior4476 if you don't reply to my comment and cuss right now you hate Jesus and love Satan

[@geeksandcooks]

Moses was Ramses last thread of kindness, but it died when he gave the ring back. :(

[@earthbendingJediGIRL]

Always loved this scene, such a turning point in the film, the suspense of two brothers finally meeting again and it was handled so well. Though it's not the execution of this scene that makes it so great, It's also the WAY it was played out. Take for example when Moses is looking out at the balcony. we see his view of what Egypt really is. Which is made from torture, slavery and agony. Then when we see Ramses view, we see only the beautiful crafted stones of the city. a wonderful site. We see from just these two shots the narrow mindedness of Ramses. Another moment of brilliance is the slow moving moment when Ramses is holding the ring. The music dies down low and soft. But then the sudden burst of horns and the focused eyes indicates a change, both with the character and for the rest of the movie. Making Ramses the true antagonist of the story.

[@andrescarrillo5201]

earthbendingJediGIRL i get chills hearing "I will not be the weak link"

[@dongysakura418]

that's why it is so important to be careful what you say to kids. like Bernadette Peters once sang "Children will listen"

[@kingolo97]

why in god's name is this movie so underrated??

[@unrealdwarf1]

ehhh.... people clearly prefer crap nowadays, over masterpieces like this

[@calevolutionhd]

Lorenzo Escudero King Because it falsely depicts Moses and the Israelites, that's why.

[@lonelyscarygirl]

SynClair West Fuck you. If you wanna know why I said fuck you, I can elaborate, but I'm tired right now.

[@MissPumpkinJuice]

Is it? I thought it's quite popular.

[@Bax365]

Well, it DID win an Oscar...

[@lol-rw7kq]

i still cant believe this shit was made in 1998 it's so fucking well made im dying

[@Bax365]

1998 wasn't that long ago

[@DanielJesusObsessedFit]

Runtless why are you cursing? i see what you are doing

[@Bax365]

Are you new to the internet?

[@XGothicPonysX]

Okay okay okay- I know this story is completely biblically accurate, but its still a good story. I think the whole "brother thing" is what gets me the most. Like the tragedy of two men who WERE the best of brothers, to be torn apart by religion and power and 100 other reasons. Thats what is so powerful in this scene, is that Moses tried to loosen the ties between then, and Rameses completely breaks them. Years of growing up and playing with one another... Gone. Thats what makes this a good movie. And the music. And the animation....and the voice actor- screw it everything in this movie is perfect!!!!!

[@XGothicPonysX]

Sorry I meant to say it ISNT completely accurate to the bible story

[@Iruka1991]

+XGothicPonysX I don't remember the bible showing their relation as awesome as this movie does.

[@thatbelen]

+Marcos Bustos Probably because in the bible Moses does not grow up as a child of the pharaoh, so that relationship doesn't exist. It was an incredibly smart narrative choice to make it so that they grew up together as brothers, the whole film packs a much harder emotional punch because of it.

[@Elly3981]

+Maria Belen I believe Moses was adopted by either the younger sister or daughter of the Pharoah, not his wife.

[@gawabatnight]

In the actual bible rameses and Moses aren't brothers, they are grandfather and grandson, in the adopted sense. Pharaoh/Rameses daughter adopted Moses after pulling him out of the river, and Pharaoh just went along with it.

[@mariekano9730]

I actually really felt bad for Rameses

[@GODislove99999]

Why he was stubborn af

[@JaredThaBoi]

star Williams he probably wouldn’t have been so stubborn if his father treated him as a better son

[@EmptyMan000]

Ramses was the product of a horribly flawed and prejudiced system and terrible parenting. Honestly he could have been much worse. He was actually the best he could be all things considered. He could have just had Moses' head cut off for upsetting him.

[@TheBeastoftheNight]

Thank you for feeling bad of me

[@michaelwolf5430]

@Marie Kano Me too :(

[@anjali6050]

Ramses II is one of the best written antagonists in the cinematic history. Instead of just telling us that he is just evil, they actually show us why he became evil.

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

Moses shouldn't have given the ring back - it was an act that almost certainly had Rameses believe Moses was his enemy, not a brother anymore.

[@christopherjones5700]

I feel like moses sabotaged his chances, he should have been more brotherly and apologetic and given the fact that the Pharaoh is 300% aware moses isn't actually Egyptian but still loves him he might have been persuaded by softer means.

[@weluvb5]

Well if Moses was going carry out God's mission to free the Hebrews he was going to have to sever the last remaining line he had to his brother. Also, from the perspective of a Hebrew slave they would've questioned why he'd still have the ring.

[@user-sp2jg9rx8r]

Moses had to cut all ties to his brother. It's the only way.

[@dastemplar9681]

Because it was not a negotiation, it was about carrying out what God commands. Moses wasn’t trying to persuade or negotiate for his people’s freedom, he was ordering it from Ramses just as how God commanded Moses to go to Egypt and free his people. Notice how throughout the movie, he doesn’t suggest or nudge it in. He calls out Ramses as an equal and orders “Let My People Go!”.

[@Sam-nz3vj]

@@dastemplar9681 Don’t you think there is a reason God would have chosen Moses to be the one to free the Hebrews? Don’t you think there’s a reason God had the river lead Moses to the Egyptians as a baby? A Hebrew raised by Egyptians, and who had the heart and ear of the pharaoh would have a much better chance of freeing the slaves than a random person. It was on purpose. Moses was meant to persuade pharaoh, and if he had chosen a softer approach instead of coming in after years of being missing and making demands, it might have worked better. However, since people have free will it couldn’t have gone exactly as God had intended. Moses probably could have handled it better.

[@luizmarinho6138]

"I had hoped... (but...)" I like the fact that he only mouths the "but" part instead of saying it out loud and the animation shows it. So much attention to detail!

[@fruitlion8]

What symbolism! Even though Rameses had his monument built larger than his father's, we see a shot of him looking smaller and less imposing than BOTH monuments.

[@cicilys6944]

1:02 "So...it's treason, then." That line from Revenge of the Sith just popped into my head outta nowhere.

[@Crusader-Ramos45]

What, you think Darth Sidious's actor voiced Ramses?

[@cicilys6944]

No, it just popped into my head. :)

[@PrinceTrexus]

Fernando Ramos the guy who played Rameses was the same one who played Lord Voldemort in the Harry Potter movies

[@Crusader-Ramos45]

PrinceTrexus And Kubo's grandpa.

[@cicilys6944]

I knew about that former role but not about the last! So cool! This guy is talented!

[@snubnosedmonke]

that little sequence of rameses face shifting through ranging emotions always gets me. seeing his sadness from realizing his brotherly relationship with moses would be broken, and the anger in moses wanting his people to be freed all captured in animation was so good. this is one of the things that makes this movie such a timeless masterpiece

[@superfrank2257]

Ramses II: "Moses, I can't change what you see." Moses: "Don't you mean that _I_ can't change what _you_ see?" Ramses II: "Hmmm... good point."

[@TheMormonSorceress]

Am I the only one who likes this Rameses better then The Ten Commandments version?

[@isaiahlozano5301]

TheMormonSorceress nope

[@Gojirawars03]

Easily better.

[@solidusosiris38]

I like them both.

[@penny1545]

Yes, because this Ramses is more complex and sympathetic. His version from the Ten Commandments was a jerk and a villain for the sake of it.

[@kieranstark7213]

I'm sure a lot of people loves the The Prince of Egypt Rameses over the The Ten Commandments (1956) Rameses, even if it's not the majority in the world.

[@Boss_Isaac]

0:49 It really is disturbing how Rameses simply dismisses the infanticide of the Hebrews with the excuse that they were merely _"slaves"._ The very fact that the mass murder of *_infants_* does nothing to coerce some sort of intimate emotional reaction really seems *_fucked up_* to say the least. (Then again, this is the man who was raised with the belief that he is part of a living god, so it just goes to show how fucked up his sense of mortality is).

[@TheInsensitiveAsshole]

+Boss Isaac It truly is.

[@Boss_Isaac]

+phillipzchillz I suppose.

[@team10leader1]

When he first learned about it, he probably took it hard like Moses did. But unlike Moses, Ramses probably took comfort in that these were "only slaves". Coupled with the passage of time, he's grown desensitized to the full context of the infanticide.

[@Metrion77]

One thing that is never properly conveyed in these movies is the sense of normalcy. From a historical sense, the idea of "all life being equal" is a very new concept in society. These events supposedly happened in 3000 years ago, and the ending of slavery really only became common about 150-250 years ago. The lives of slave babies really weren't any more valuable then the foals of horses. When the stables get overfilled, you sell what you can as horses and then sell what you can as meat. Even Moses isn't going out and saying "stop mass killing the sudanese slave babies". Moses was never preaching freedom for the phoenicians that were taken as slaves. He came to free the Hebrews, the chosen people. In many cases, the slaves of Egypt came from tribes who refused to surrender, and were given the choice between slavery or death after being conquered. Otherwise, slaves were criminals or people so impoverished they would starve on the street otherwise.

[@keyboardcorrector2340]

Metrion77, took the words right from my mouth. YOU DAMNED WORD THIEF.

[@firemiracle]

Ramses' glare at 1:47 always gave me chills as a kid, at that moment i knew that the ramses that moses knew has completely changed, and i find that to be so sad, ramses believes that moses has betrayed him when in reality he just wanted to save the hebrews. And because of ramses' ignorance, that's when things become dark and tragic for ramses 😔

[@MrTrollolol98]

Besides Ramses father issues, his situation and his position towards Moses is understandable. Imagine that you're the king of one of the greatest empires in history that bases a good part of its workforce on slavery (and that's normal to you); that you consider yourself a god (guys, like hebrews believed in what God said, that's what his religion told him) and firmly believes in a polytheist pantheon. You also have the master-slaves concept stuck in your mind (because that's how it worked for centuries), and a random guy comes to you and tells you that a God you never heard of in defying your authority and wants you to free all of your slaves. Like, guys, you can't blame Ramses for not agreeing to that...

[@AliAsif303]

+Lady Amora He was torturing and killing innocent people. And for what? To preserve the image of his empire and his face? No! What he did was cruel, sadistic and evil. He got what he deserved in the end - death.

[@MrTrollolol98]

Ali Asif I'm not saying that he was a good guy, but he wasn't evil for the seek of being evil. What he was doing wasn't wrong or evil for him, it was just how things worked. And in his mind he was working for the glory of his empire

[@AliAsif303]

Lady Amora Yeah I agree. He was just stubborn and selfish. In the end, he reaped what he sowed.

[@Alita_N99]

I actually feel really bad for Ramses... A bit more than I do for Moses. Ramses knows everything he is doing to be the right way to build and rule his empire. His moral compass tells him that this is just and fair. This is what he's used to, this is what he knows. So he's not entirely a bad person. And of course that's not to say the Hebrews shouldn't be freed, it's just so painful that the brothers had to be torn apart by their new responsibilities and completely different roles. But again, I feel so bad for Ramses because this whole thing is normal to him and then one day after his brother has been gone for years, he suddenly shows back up out of nowhere, not to come back home to Ramses mind you, but to extract his entire workforce on behalf of some god he's never heard of. And he is cursed with many plagues one of which killed his son. By the end of the film Ramses literally has NOTHING left, no kingdom, no family, no army... He's left on a rock crying out his brother's name.

[@AliAsif303]

Al N That's why Ramses was selfish and stubborn to acknowledge the harm that he was inflicting on others. None of those plagues would've happened if he had just opened up and surrendered. As Moses said: "No kingdom should be made on the back of slaves". The old, the young and the sick were being slaughtered and Ramses had to pay for his transgressions. It was his pride that led to his demise in the end.

[@nateds7326]

I love how the movie visualizes Ramses and Moses's different perspectives. Ramses looks up at his acheivements and monuments, only concerned with the majesty of his kingdom without a care for the oppressed people who built it. Ramses was taught his whole life that Hebrews were not even people. Moses gained clarity when he learned the truth of his heritage, and so he is the only one willing to look down.

[@zenzero6181]

"headphones recommended" 1:45 OH MY G O D give a guy a heart attack

[@jlogan2228]

This 20 year old cartoon is more deep and hard hitting than all the pure crap that studios release now

[@viggokozak6468]

Cartoon? This is art

[@buckleoftruthministry2410]

@@viggokozak6468 Art? This is literal history taken from the records and into animation 4000 years later.

[@viggokozak6468]

@@buckleoftruthministry2410 yeah, you are right

[@aleksamrkela831]

*animated film

[@manuelorozco7760]

At least Trolls is good. But I prefer Kung Fu Panda

[@adamamador1001]

Ralph Fiennes and Val Kilmer as voice actors 👌 By the way, the way Ramses looks at the ring with the voice softly breaking then hardening,all of the emotion, rage and sense of betrayal & grief Ramses emits though his voice, is purely the mastery of Ralph Fiennes. “ I do not know this God. Neither will I let your people go.” Not to mention Val Kilmers voice portrayal of God. Fantastic! Big fan of both ✌️

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

I really wish Moses could've been more deft in convincing Ramses by using the ring to remind him that they were STILL brothers, instead of giving it back.

[@tylorwilcoxson1084]

That’s what I said, I don’t think he should’ve given back the ring

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

I mean, biblical moses is also kinda known for not having the best social skills, so it is a mistake Moses would make

[@MicahiLove]

The ring was not a "brotherly" gift. It was a symbol of Moses' new position as Chief Architect which furthered Hebrew enslavement and suffering.

[@jediskunk67]

1:47 that face used to scare me when I was little!

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

+jediskunk67 Cinephiles call it the Kubrick Stare. Stanley Kubrick had a character in about every movie of his do it--head tilted down, eyes ahead. It tends to be...pretty creepy.

+Hard Boiled Entertainment Yes, like Alex at the first scene in A clockwork Orange and Jack at the last scene in The Shining.

[@mkaplan1383]

He looked like a Cobra.

[@ladyemily4053]

+jediskunk67 I know! I've watched this movie a hundred times but I get a thump in my heart every time I see this scene.

[@AjSingh88]

+jediskunk67 It is the face of the establishment. The face of a thousand year old dynasty. The face of tradition that even a brother's love could not temper.

[@thecowboy9698]

One thing I regret about this film is that they never had Aaron appear with Moses before Ramesses. According to Exodus, Moses and his older brother Aaron both went before pharaoh, and Aaron spoke on behalf of Moses; who described himself as someone who was "not an eloquent speaker, being slow of mouth and slow of tounge", and thus Aaron served as a spokesman on Moses's behalf.

[@MetalZuko]

And how do you think it would have gone over with Jeff Goldblum providing the voice? All the "uh"s you can count.

[@albaisturiz6065]

1:45 to 1:47 When a teacher assigns homework.

[@dreamon1442]

Me every time

[@mariposa_1954]

lol

[@nathancruz9172]

Alba Isturiz 😆

[@adamamador1001]

Alba Isturiz I do not know this homework. Neither will I do it!

[@khakihades8876]

Like when the teacher assigns text book page 128 to 137 all questions you be like sitting in the chair all mad and shit slowing pulling out your scissors

[@jonbenetporsch3177]

I still feel bad for rameses he feel the weight of the world on him but he loves his brother dearly still

[@liamdysoco4832]

0:46 " "His hands bore the blood of thousands of children!" "Slay!"

[@user-mz9on8nn5b]

I’m sorry but it’s Slaves

[@danterik9781]

Years and years of loving each other and playing, being there for one another when nobody else was, gone, in a few minutes, because they see things differently, even after that, they still care for each other and want one to submit to the others views because of the love they have :( Honestly this story is a bigger tragedy than anything Shakespeare has ever written.

[@jinchuriki7022]

when he opened his eyes...

[@brendan1470]

It's like he turned into his evil side...

[@polyhymnia701]

You can see the exact moment when "Pharaoh's heart was hardened."

[@Moponen]

The animation and small nuances in this... 0:43 Ramses puffs up his chest in pride, almost seeming like he's as great as the statue his father had made, comparing himself to his father 0:49 when he says 'slaves' his cavalier attitude momentarily melts and at least I get he's ashamed 1:35 the saddness already breaking in to rage, as he feels he's lost his brother completely

[@JainaSoloB312]

I see no shame in his face on "Slaves", only callous indifference, just like his father. He even chuckles a bit as if he's amused that Moses considers slaves' life equal to humans'. Remember, what truly drove Moses away was: "Oh, my son... They were only slaves."

[@Moponen]

@@JainaSoloB312 i get that, but there is that small frown right before it cuts to Moses. Now I'm not sure if it's because he doesn't want to lose his brother and just hopes he'll go along with what he says or if he's ashamed.

[@davidmartinez3272]

One of the most beautifully animated movies of all time

[@ancapftw9113]

Moses: "His hands bore the blood of thousands." One week later: "And I shall go throughout this land, and the firstborn of all of Egypt shall die."

[@MissPumpkinJuice]

Politicians never change ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

[@mrROBOGUTS]

atleast the egyptains got a warning and a way out

[@MaxPotentialGreatness]

This is way better than that Exodus gods and Kings bullshit they put out

[@rivaraptor4277]

Rameses is a better villain than MCU Thanos. Change my mind

[@faketoddhoward7280]

Ehhh No sorry

[@playlistsam4596]

Tbh I agree. Thanos whiped out half of existence for "good" to balance things out, to make things equal with the survivors. Ramses tho, he killed and opressed thousands of people because he considered them s l a v e s and to give power to his possition in society. Ramses is more evil than Thanos, also change my mind.

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

Old comment, but still, Thanos is one of the more childish and shallow villains of the cinema, packaged as this nuanced character. Even twelve-year old can see how utterly foolish his plan is. Rameses on the other hand is easily understandable, product of his culture and family.

[@giornogiostar3214]

@@faketoddhoward7280 Yes, literally.

[@DM-Oz]

Yeah

[@GilliganKrueger0829]

If I'm to be honest, this scene is the reason I think Ramses is such a FANTASTIC character here. Aside from the fact that his expressions are incredibly well done, they really make you feel his anger and remorse that once again Moses is here to ruin everything for him. I could honestly go on forever about it

[@juliasmith2917]

GilliganKrueger0829 right?! I was thinking the same thing, obviously Moses has a greater purpose but how they display Ramses is so great

[@DioDiablo702]

That look Rameses had when he knew the brother he grew up with was not the same, and the moments they shared would never be happy again. His heart truly sank or someone he knew was adopted. That is true love.

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Man the subtext here is really powerful. I mean Rameses was excited to see his long-lost brother Moses again. Adoptive brother, but still his brother regardless. So for him to find out that the ONLY reason Moses returned to Egypt was to free his people (the Jewish slaves) and no other reasons whatsoever, obviously hurt him big time. Rameses also wants to continue the great traditions and build upon the foundations set by his father and many other Pharaoh's before him, which makes his line, "I will not be the weak link" all the more powerful, considering what his father said to him much earlier in the film. Man that internal struggle is so strong, and only makes the film that much more engaging in my book

[@kashmello]

“I can no longer hide in the desert while they suffer… at your hands.” God, that delivery is astounding. You can just see that Moses loved Rameses so deeply. It pained him so badly to come to grips with the fact that he had become what he had become, but for the sake of his people’s survival, he had to be sincere.

[@ButchBirdie]

I love how the shots are framed. You can see in the beginning that Moses looks at the slaves, while Rameses' point of view is presented at a wide angle, so all of the statues can be seen.

[@rhettgedies7467]

1:40 The shift here is so perfect. He has to bury all his love for his brother and instead envelope himself completely in his royal lineage/duty as he reopens his eyes with a cold closed-off anger. He then expresses his own personal fear of being the "weak link" which was bred into him by his father through insecurity. Such a power scene of emotion and you really understanding in tragedy why he is doing what he is doing.

[@nicholasdruce5346]

Losing a relationship: Stage 1

[@Jaachi_Aaron-CJ041]

“I will not be the weak link” is the best shocking moment that I’ve seen Ramses betrayed his brother Moses.

[@chunkachocolat4611]

Still waiting for a Blu-ray release of this movie

[@bicepius]

+Max Canon You're playing with the big boys now.

[@jamesemeny9677]

Me too

[@TheInsensitiveAsshole]

+Pickled Onion Nice one.

[@TooOldforAdventure]

I'm at

[@coolgirl7935]

Why did ramesess do such a thing

[@mivapusa]

01:47 You can see the instant Yahwe steps in and hardens his heart, because damn it Yahwe wants a show and Ramses being agreeable won't give him justification for the awesome pyrotec to come

[@francescameale4907]

How damn hot was Rameses when he said "I do not know this God" with that warm voice? ❤️🔥 Many kudos to Ralph Fiennes 🙌

[@bronysimpson3250]

That very moment when Rameses opens his eyes with anger, you know he's transformed into a completely different person.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep. Kinda frightening

[@coltong2596]

Brother Bear and The Prince of Egypt are way too underrated they need more attention

[@manuelorozco7760]

Even their soundtracks are overdue for covers

[@zachreed9836]

The fact that he was actually that stubborn until his son died where he finally subsided he has to be the most stubborn man who has ever lived.

[@andrews_lego_tanks_and_more]

"I will not be the weak link" really sets how much Rameses has been pushed by his father into this position and how much the weight and pressure of it all is really getting to him.

[@chaoflaka8132]

(When your character officially dies) 1:34-1:45 (When you don’t accept it enough to decide on making a fanfiction of them coming back to life) 1:46

[@Yams-Hams7734]

I feel like Moses should’ve done something to soften the blow of what he said. I feel like the reason Rameses was so stubborn about letting the Hebrew people go, was because of what Moses said or at least how he phrased it. A lot of people are so quick to judge Rameses because of how stubborn and prideful he is. I agree that Rameses is the bad guy, but I can’t help but sympathize with him a little bit. Now their are a few reasons why Rameses probably acted the way he did, 1. Rameses grew up in a environment that told him that slavery was normal, a lot of times our upbringing has a lot to do with how we act as adults. 2. Rameses has an obsession with being great, or at least better than his father. This is a big factor to Rameses behavior throughout the movie, and someone in the comments already mentioned this but I’m mentioning it again. Throughout the movie, you hear pharaoh bragging about how the Egyptian nation is big and grand. In fact when Rameses had just become pharaoh, he talks to Moses showing him the blueprints for a big ambitious building projects he made, which lines up with history considering he was famous due to his big building projects around Egypt and other lands, but anyways he also says “I will not be the weak link” I’m sure your already aware of this but Seti 1 was very harsh with Rameses when he was younger even calling him the weak link. This was probably traumatizing for Rameses and he truly took those words to heart, also you have to think about the connotation that Rameses said that line over. He said I will not be the weak link when Moses suggested freeing the Hebrews from slavery. So Rameses might actually think that freeing the slaves makes him the weak link, and that’s not what he wants to be. 3. Rameses felt hurt by the fact that Moses only came back to free the slaves. Now think about it this way, how would you feel if your sibling came back after 20 - 30 years later, and also Rameses thought that Moses was dead as when he came back, he says “I took you for dead.” This is literally just adding salt to the wound, he thought that he had lost his brother forever and then Moses is like “Hi nice to see you I know I left you for all these years and I never told you why but I just need you to free my people and then I’ll leave you again, bye.” That’s pretty messed up, I realize that the Hebrews were suffering but it also made me upset about how Moses was aloof about leaving his brother forever someone that he grew up with for people he didn’t even know that was his family. Maybe it was because the Hebrews were his true family, but family isn’t about blood it’s about love.

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

"I am Ozymandias (Ramses), king of kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."

[@xiao4732]

I think this hurt moses a lot as when he seen his 'brother' he was so happy hugging and missing him, I don't believe he wanted to be enemies with Ramses and Ramses wants to prove to his father he is a good leader but it took over way too much which is sad really

[@Fummy007]

His line "I do not know this god" is a reference to the actual wording in Exodus. "I know not the LORD"

[@Gilgamesh465]

what do you see.... (moses looking at slaves) “ a greater egypt than that if my fathers” ( pans out to the statues) love how perspective shapes things.

[@silentjackm.d4490]

I love that image at 0:41 I love the visual storytelling of showing how the overbearing presence of his father still weighs on Ramses even after his father's death. Ramses wasn't the villain he was just an unfortunate soul who followed the example of his overbearing father. Even his father wasn't exactly a bad person I mean he was but he still had very human emotions, you could tell that he felt like he had a duty an obligation that this is what he was supposed to do, it didn't portray him as some evil dictator who did it just to do it or something like that you get the sense that it's the same story with Ramses.

[@LeVu-ir2cn]

I don't really know about what happened in the Exodus, but particularly in this movie, I imagine if Moses said it differently, perhaps he could free his people without resort to use force (plagues) and caused countless deaths. Only if Moses could be less hostile in his approach. Only if he could sympathize with Rameses. Perhaps he should not give Rameses back the ring as a gesture of breaking their bond between them. Perhaps he could say: "Yes, I come to free my people, but you'r still my brother and I love you". Perhaps Moses should make it clear that he knew how lonely Rameses felt when he left and the pressure Rameses went through of becoming and being pharaoh. He could says: "I'm sorry not be there when you needed me". Furthermore, Rameses was a prideful pharaoh, perhaps he cares about being a great pharaoh more than his actual people (I can say this because he could let the Hebrews go after the first few plagues). Moses could use it to his advantage. He could reassure Rameses by saying: "You are not a weak link, Ramases". He could says: "Be better than your father, Rameses. By freeing us, our Hebrews can form our own society and we can trade, exchange good and technology, etc which make your empire become even greater". He could add: "You will not only come down to history as the greatest pharaoh but also a righteous, justice and compassion one". In short, he could boost Rameses ego, and link it with the action of releasing the Hebrews. Moses could also ask Rameses to release not all, but only a handful of Hebrews first and then God could reward him a little by giving Egyptian people food, silk or something like that (people tend to prefer making little investment over big one). Once he can see the benefit of releasing Hebrews, he would be more likely to release them. It might not change Rameses' mind right away, but I might in the long run if Rameses could see the benefit of letting the Hebrews go. He could develop a greater and more sustainable empire, he could inspire justice and compassion, and most importantly, he can maintain a good relationship Moses, the brother that he loves. There are many cases in history in which people achieved freedom without using violence. I know that God said Rameses mind could not be changed. But at least Moses could try it before sending the plagues, it costs him nothing. Moses is a good man at heart with good intention, just a bad negotiator. But then again, it's a movie.

[@sabumafu597]

omg I finally see someone who comes to the same conclusion as me. When I comment on it with other people they look at me badly, Moses never thought about the damage that his words caused, he simply regretted the situation of Ramses from afar and furthermore, if it weren't for God he would never have returned Egypt The worst brother xd Moses feels like "I'm not interested in what you went through in my absence, just do what I tell you"

[@oblong050]

i JUST had reneacted this.. but mostly it's not just a movie as it follows the biblical story and it has to follow what it's been told/settled in

[@oblong050]

@@sabumafu597 THAT IS WAY WORSE THAN ANYTHING

[@nicholasemjohnson47]

I understand thinking of alternatives, but this is the story of Exodus. It had to follow the Biblical story. Plus, all of these would've been about relying on Moses' own resources instead of God. If these alternatives would've worked, God would've told Moses to try them instead of unleashing the plagues. God knew the heart of Rameses.