The Problem With Disney Animation

As we end 2023, we see that disney has been having a terrible year for their films where it's affecting their trust in the fans that loved it, and I just wanted to compare a previous failing era to the present and see how we can get out of this.

[@wizardoferror9942]

It's safe to say we're in another one of those eras where Disney is struggling.

[@Attmay]

This is worse than any previous decline put together.

[@wizardoferror9942]

@@Attmay Oh, absolutely.

[@Samael6685]

​@@Attmayfrom my point of view, it's a "they started the Fire, now let them burn" situation

[@leebulger7112]

If Disney does not improve soon it's going to collapse and it's properties like Pixar are going be up in the air as far as whether it will be "set free" or bought by another company, I hope that doesn't happen, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be curious to see a Pixar/Dreamworks movie.

[@pastajade]

yeah, even the decline from when the black cauldron released though and its one of my fav disney films so needless to say itll bounce back with time and wish will eventually become a loved film(maybe)

[@Prototype-357]

2d should have never been left by the wayside, there's a space for both 2d and 3d in the industry, creativity is the name of the game, I want Disney to do innovative animation like Klaus, Wolfwalkers and Puss in Boots the Last Wish, then I'll start believing they can be great again.

[@joshualowe959]

Precisely. Thats why the Once Upon a Studio short worked so well. It brought both 3D & 2D characters

[@renatoramos8834]

Not to mention that 2d and 3d aren't art styles. You can have all kinds of different art styles in both 2d and 3d, yet disney keeps using the same generic style in their movies.

[@elvickRULES]

@@renatoramos8834 actually they're getting even more generic because that one movie looks like a Dreamworks movie. That troll or whatever movie. Or was that a Pixar movie. I don't know, Pixar isn't doing hot either and there's so many duds at this point

[@orangeslash1667]

@@renatoramos8834 The problem is that Princess and the Frog didn't do well at the box-office. For Disney that was the final straw.

[@MamaMOB]

They have to get rid of the idea logs first. You're never going to get anything like that as long as they're trying to brainwash children.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

The main reason behind their failure is corporatism.

[@Attmay]

The thing that made them exist at all is the problem?

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@Attmay Innovation made them exist, not corporatism. It was always a corporation, yes, but it was also a haven for artists. But that stopped being the case when Roy E. Disney left the company.

[@Attmay]

It is unlikely Walt Disney could’ve achieved what he achieved anywhere but America.

[@nohomo4774]

​@@Masi-sj2deI assure you, you want capitalism.

[@gryficowa]

@@nohomo4774 Nope

[@olleselin]

You know, Don Bluth (who used to be an animator at Disney) was an excellent employee at the studio until he left during the 70s after they rejected his idea of adapting a story based on Richard C O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" therefore he started his own indepentent studio, which actually turned out to be more profitable during the 80s when Disney themselves were failing

[@pablocasas5906]

Can't imagine something like that happening these days. I mean, in the anime industry many animation studios were formed by former employees from other studios, Sunrise (Gundam) was formed by ex Mushi Production (Astro Boy) and in turn Bones (Soul Eater) was founded by ex Sunrise workers. Even Miyazaki worked for Toei and Nippon Animation before founding Ghibli alongside other animators But in the West I don't think that's possible

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

​​@@pablocasas5906it's happening in its own way with indie animation. To get creative stories, we'll have to look to the "people" instead of companies now

[@Cyberkidd1000]

I haven't heard that name in a long time! Remember this message even brought nostalgia!

[@kootunesscrewy]

With the exception of indie/international animation and some others (like Fiona and Cake)... Animation as a whole is a shell from its former self.

[@JamieBar]

​@@kootunesscrewy Mainstream animation is largely for profit, not for love or art. However, I have seen good content from content creators and can only hope it gets more appreciation.

[@Nightman221k]

Disney is not prioritizing stories these days. I watched the making of bonus features for the Renaissance era films and pre-Renaissance era ones. The scripts for those films were fine tuned to be solid. The behind the scenes for Frozen 2 shows what a disaster it is behind the scenes. The old films had to be animated in a more unforgiving way. They couldn’t afford to write the script as they animated. It had to be done beforehand. Watching the Frozen 2 doc you see that the script barely had a solid drafting stage and they were still revising till the end. It’s a wonder that Encanto was as stellar as it was because it was the only Disney one since Princess and the Frog or maybe Wreck-It Ralph that felt solid and planned out from start to finish where it didn’t meander around. The old films had EVERY scene be something that contributed to the story and characterization with no wasted time or road trip plots where it’s just a Dora the Explorer paint by numbers plot. I don’t think they see this as a problem because they actually released that frozen 2 documentary thinking it was worth bragging about. The movie was substandard and the production looked heinous.

[@rosestar1324]

You hit the nail on the head with this comment. 👏🏾

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart you make Disney good again

[@kalzium8857]

Disney was the leader of animation. But now Disney is nothing special. I think these live action adaptions of their own animated movies have harmed Disney reputation. Instead of pushing forward they are now making a worse version of past successes.

[@solon7623]

the last sentence made me remember Walt Disney's motto of "Keep moving forward" and realize how low the company has stooped since the company is now going against the very thing Walt believed in

[@_the_little_mermaid_]

I can confirm I no longer have a good opinion of them. Take it from a former “Disnerd” or Disney fan.

[@canvas_125]

This comment perfectly sums up what’s going on with Disney. They trusted the nostalgia too much.

[@traviscunningham7062]

Old Disney>>>>>>>New Disney

[@neilhannan5112]

Reasons (1) Thinking they too big to Fail (2) Unable or refuse to Adapt with the current animation (3) Poor Management and leadership (4) No Vision for the future of their Animation (5) Budget getting high with Wish costing $200 Million to make instead of using that type of make it for small budget with a strong concept

[@Usrr11]

(6) Capitalism.

[@joaopereira817]

​@@Usrr11 (7) Entering in politics for no reason

[@jaypee116]

​@@joaopereira817(8) playing it too safe.

[@DrAngelKins]

​(7b) they always been into politics, but they are doing it too much

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Good 2nd point. The era of 3D CGI animation is dead. Spider-Verse changed the game the same way Toy Story did in 1995. Modern audiences now want hybrid animation like Spider-Verse, Puss in Boots, Klaus, Arcane and Blue Eye Samurai.

[@riotkitty]

It’s so sad Treasure Planet and Atlantis were box office failures, as they’re actually good well written films, but at least they have a cult classic status now.

[@Fusilier7]

The problem with Disney Animation, is the same problems that scourge the whole corporation - they are more concentrated on being good enough, but not great, they are trying to appeal to everyone, but please little of them. Disney is in over its head, it has too many properties to maintain - Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Disney Channel, Disney +, and Disney Animation, trying to make profits from all of these studios is a challenge, it leds to sacrifices in quality over quantity, which corrodes the public trust in the brand. Although Disney struggled in the 80s, it was still just a studio, it was not yet the leviathan that would consume property after property, moreover, what led to Disney's hardship in the 80s was the loss of its monopoly, Don Bluth was the first major contender to challenge Disney's monopoly - the Secret of NIMH, An American Tale, the Land Before Time, and All Dogs Go To Heaven, ushered in the idea that Disney is not bulletproof, any ambitious competitor had what it took to take on the Mouse. Same thing applies to this day, Disney like to think it has a monopoly on entertainment, they are not the only venue available, and it's the competition who's taking the audience, who are looking for something greater than the run-of-the-mill, doing your best is not the same as making your best.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Except All Dogs Go to Heaven was a bomb due to being released the same day as The Little Mermaid and Disney ended up beating Don and led to Don’s films struggling financially and critically in the first half of the 90s, so I don’t think that film is a good example as Disney not being bulletproof. Ironically, it’s more like that film proved Don wasn’t as bulletproof either.

[@Attmay]

There was also bad publicity over Judith Barsi, the voice of the little girl in that movie being murdered by her father during production. They even had to get a singer in to re-record a song she had sung for the movie because the animators kept breaking down in tears animating to her voice.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Attmay The other problem is critics complained about the songs of All Dogs not haveing a point. Such as A Big Lipped Alligator moment🐊🐊.

[@elvickRULES]

100th anniversary film should have been a 2D animated film with Mickey Mouse. Not a princess movie that fell back on memba berries to try to make up for it's bad story.

[@joshualowe959]

The Once Upon a Studio short was perfection. It combined both 2D & 3D characters together and it worked really well. That could make Disney revive the House of Mouse for the new era

[@darthhauler9947]

I wish they would. Loved the House of Mouse cartoon and would def watch when I was alone in the house. Loved that they mixed and matched all the characters together as real people and not just 'actors'

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart you bring back house of mouse then!

[@AnaandVerity1259]

I am so worried about the future of Disney Animation. Walt Disney would certainly be spinning in his grave.

[@DougsArtandAnimation]

That will never happen! Besides, Disney is a major movie studios in Hollywood.

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

@@DougsArtandAnimationI think they mean Disney’s animation movie

[@orangeslash1667]

@@bumblebeeproductions1673 Remember the Black Caldron was such as failure that Disney was thinking about shutting down animation in general😮😮. Thankfully the Great Mouse Detective is what changed their minds😌😌😌. I wonder if something like that will happen again???

[@rosestar1324]

Don't be. Disney basically sucks now but there are plenty of other animation studios still making great films. And those talented people who leave Disney will find spots with those other companies. I hope Disney continues to fail. I hate what they did to marvel and Star wars and I hate that they shat on classic films by turning them into horrible live action knock offs and I hate that they'll don't respect classic 2d animation anymore.

[@danshull1331]

Yeah, like I’ve heard that before

[@vincenthoule5643]

Wish should've been in a full 2d or like in spiderverse. Or disney should've made a crossover disney movie to celebrate the 100th annivesary.

[@vgmaster9]

Well they made shorts like Paperman and Feast, and it should've been like those.

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart YOU remake Wish that way then!

[@ukchanak]

I think they should have made a kingdom hearts movie, since the game was a crossover of all the Disney movies

[@nikitaaverin]

Disney are currently doing the same error like in the mid 90s. VHS was a "new" medium, so they pumped out random sequels. With streaming, they are going down the same path. Disney Animation, Marvel Films, Lucas Film, Pixar...with COVID-19 most people (me included) got used to watch things at home. They need to make sure that you have to go to see films and not just consume content.

[@nikitaaverin]

A quick buck has never longevity.

[@mariateresa7727]

why do people never mention The Great Mouse Detective? :(

[@pablocasas5906]

I know, it's a good movie on its own, but people forget that without it the Disney Renaissance might never happened

[@vetarlittorf1807]

​@@pablocasas5906I disagree. It may have been a moderate success and added some rep to Musker and Clements, but The Little Mermaid is the movie that saved Disney animation and led to the massive animation boom of the 90's.

[@history_loves_anime8927]

​@@vetarlittorf1807 Mouse gave Musker and Clements enough clout to let them take a bigger risk which is how the little mermaid happened.

[@ashbasher22nerd93]

Personally I blame Bob Iger for the toxic work culture and underwhelming box office performances. He's over-saturating the market and only cared about the money, which he blamed the creatives for why the stories were underwhelming instead of taking responsibility which I find very disrespectful. I hope Bob Iger gets fired asap, he's responsible for how stale the films have gotten, along with disrespecting writers, actors and animators. I hope he leaves before things get worse, especially with the AI situation going around.

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart why don't YOU try running the studio!

[@Alucard2091]

​@@aidanbarnes4290take your own advice and do it.

[@aidanbarnes4290]

I don't think you understand my point. It's wrong to be judging how people run things, if you were in their shoes you would understand why the studio is this way@@Alucard2091

[@reinaroja7326]

i blame bob iger for ruined disney's reputation

[@MamaMOB]

Personally I think Disney's problem has a proper name. Bob Iger. Get rid of him and all the rest of the problems will follow.

[@leandersearle5094]

Strange World was a strange case. At the time, I was following channels that were bagging on Disney constantly, and I didn't hear a peep about it. I think it took a number of years before I heard off-handedly that it was "woke" and nothing else. Nobody cared, not even a little bit, not even guys who make their paychecks on rage. That is just... strange.

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

As wise people say, whoever doesn’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[@randomusernameCallin]

It sounds like at all levels of Disney there are people who want to limit the creative process into one mindset.

[@msk-qp6fn]

I lowkey wonder if whoever is in charge is trying to run disney to the dogs and sell all of its assets.

[@pablocasas5906]

I find it kind of weird how Disney got themselves into this awkward situation. It seems that for the last 10 or so years their output has been very inconsistent, they actually diversified their animations, but some of their successes seems very accidental. The Frozen films were their most successful, but it seems that they aren't able to replicate their financial/cirtical success, particularly with Raya and Wish, though Moana and Encanto to a certain extent, were well done They had little faith with Zootopia, so much that it seems they didn't know what to do Big Hero 6 is their only Marvel comic adaptation, they could have adapted more comics like Power Pack Strange World isn't great, but it had potential. I just want Disney to make something more akin to Black Cauldron, Atlantis ot Treasure Planet Not to mention their canceled movies. Gigantic, The King of Elves. Who knows what interesting concepts they canceled due to executives interference

[@expensivepink7]

i love that you critique Disney in a way that actually wants to see it at its full potential - too many ppl basically have similar titles than just shitshitshit on it and explicitly say they’re happy they’re failing but i don’t really understand why when they also claim to love the renaissance films lol. i’m glad u want to see them do better. i hope they get it together soon. because so much of their work is SO special to me.

[@Attmay]

Nobody is happy to see this state of affairs. But Disney has nobody to blame for their current troubles but themselves.

[@fierygamer582]

I don't ever want to see Disney fail. Whenever I see comments of people being happy that Disney is losing money, it annoys me to pieces. It is their fault for pandering to an invisible audience, yes, but that are still hundreds of thousands of people who are still being inspired by Disney and their story telling and animation. They need a reality check. They can't expect people to see their projects just because they slapped their name on it and they NEED to lower their budget. Large budgets don't make a good movie, the same goes for small budgets.

[@elvickRULES]

People should be happy Disney is failing, because the Disney that exists today is a heartless corporation. Whose response over a controversy about filming near interment camps is "it's good marketing". The Disney anyone loved is dead and has been for a long time at this point. What exists now simply absorbs anything it possibly can to milk franchises they don't understand, while insulting the same franchises and the fans. Disney today hates the Disney that came before it. That's why all the remakes "fix" the originals.

[@lucusjadryev4942]

Disney made there bed now thay will sleep in it maybe Disney will perg the rot from with in does not look likely to happen for a long time for some good stories Watch gilich Productions

[@lucusjadryev4942]

Side the rong thing to look up gilich

[@insecuritron5099]

At this point, instead of hoping Disney gets better, we might be better off just starting our own Disney

[@msk-qp6fn]

Momentum wise, they rested on their laurels from the renaissance era and what little success they had in the early 2000s~2010s, and then got stagnant; won't properly PLAN and experiment anymore or let the planning and experimenting happen.

[@foxpokemonforever4775]

The lack of creativity and passion behind Disney's latest projects is disheartening. I usually try to be optimistic about the future of entertainment but the reality is that there are just too many people, especially within those big studios, who are only there to make money. They don't care about the art of storytelling and it's been showing for years now. It's possible that something great can come every once in a while, but that's starting to become few and far in between because there's very little passion and meaning behind these projects. I get that at the end of the day Disney is a business. But it becomes difficult to run a business when you continually put out a sub-par product and then blame the consumer for not liking it. Overall, I'm worried about the future of entertainment and the way storytelling is done. If it just becomes about making money, there's no hope for this sort of movie.

[@chonky9586]

Man have you seen the removed concepts of wish!? A STAR BOY! A STAR BOY!!!! 😭😭😭 WE WERE ROBBED

[@MrProg-ey3tl]

Unfortunately Disney hates love stories these days.

[@Pokeninja7]

Disneys too safe now. Dreamworks loves taking risks

[@Alucard2091]

DreamWorks is based the fact they almost went bankrupt for doing such practice even to this day.

[@nicksorenson940]

Yet they still love keeping their own backs turned on hand-drawn animation just as much.

[@m0istur]

I remember watching a video discussing the villain of Wish and hearing that his reason for not giving everybody their wishes is because he fears that the wish could bring harm to others or have consequences. In a way, it sounds like Disney who are afraid of trying to be truly be original and instead release movies that are original but they try to play it safe in a way

[@JoshJr98]

I don’t like the animation style, everything is rounded and soft

[@smoxthybweh]

Right, calarts really ruined the art styles of movies. I have refused to watch movies made in that ugly 3d calarts style 🤢

[@LilyApus]

of course it is the movies are for children, everything has to be "cute"

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart YOU make a better style!

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

There's one thing I do love about Wish. It proves what I've been saying about Disney for the past couple of years: that "woke" has nothing to do with Disney's failure. It's all in the terrible writing and lack of creativity.

[@AQuietNight]

Woke people are political billboards, not artists.

[@hideofreakingkojima5457]

You say that woke has nothing to do with Disney's failure despite the raceswaps in Live Action Disney movies, the "Slaves Built This Country" segment in Proud Family, or Disney stepping in Florida's Don't Say Gay Bill after losing their special Flordia tax district. Also you're talking about a movie where a girl rebels against the king who has *god-like* powers with her *talking goat*

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@@hideofreakingkojima5457 Oh, it didn't HELP to be sure, but you don't see any of that overtly on the surface. It's all subtext at best. This was them trying to strip back to the fairy tale formula and showing how they simply do not understand it, or anything about how stories work.

[@hideofreakingkojima5457]

@@cheezemonkeyeater I disagree, some of the stuff Disney has pushed has been overtly on the surface. They have been focusing so much on representation or the message than telling a compelling story.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@@hideofreakingkojima5457 But it was only subtext in this one. They marketed this one entirely on it being the 100 year anniversary and the return of a traditional villain. The movie focuses mostly on its story. But that brings into sharp focus how the people who are in charge of writing for Disney either don't know how, or there's too much meddling at the corporate level from people who don't know how. The problem was never diversity, or representation, or messaging. That was just the thing they made you focus on with their god awful marketing. At the core, the failure is because they don't know how to make good movies anymore.

[@victorlannister5606]

Instead of making new memories with their audiences they are begging us to “ remember this movie? Wasn’t it ssssoooo goooodddd?!?!? Remember it?!??” And it’s nauseating how much they rely on the name and nostalgia they have already under their belt. Disney was a businessman but he was also a creative, he respected art but honestly I don’t think these current leaders have no respect for their audience or workers and I think it shows in what they have released.

[@Hewylewis]

Hell, the ONLY movie Chapek greenlit during his short reign was Deadpool 3. That's it!

[@m0istur]

Treasure planet, Atlantis, and Brother bear are underrated. Dinosaur (2000) was underrated as hell

[@Mythicismic]

Look, I understand all you’re saying, and the fundamental issue of all this is that they’ve dried the idea generator to its singularity point. Creativity in and of itself is pretty much dead, and so is the formula Disney has for each of its respective genre of movies. Sure its formula has its diversity, but the diversity in the genre has been soaked completely dry. There’s an argument going about that Disney has to stop spending so much goddamn money on movies, as really good movies with low budgets can me made as exemplified with A24 studios, but I beg to disagree. Disney needs to break its formula, burn it. It needs to go all in on risk. Its cautionary steps are just a slow death. So, in that case and point, Disney has two options. Continue down-spiraling on a continuous, slow death till their inevitable fall from grace in a few decades; or, take some major major risks in complete alternating directions and deliver darker, more complex, and more differentiable, comparatively to their other animated films. The core contributors and people rooting for disney are not gen alpha, there gen z and millennials. So Disney’s gotta start appealing to them through focusing on the production of family-oriented films, NOT PURELY children’s films as seen with wish. Take a completely different route, go somewhere else, drop the live action remakes, and sequels and deliver something brand new. Now, I can see why Disney is holding on to sequels for money generation, and we could’ve really gone places with Frozen 2, ‘cause that was a goddamn badass teaser and filled with excitement only to drop rock bottom charts. But it worked, aim for the movies lacking sequels that are GEMS, as controversial as that sounds, and deliver a sort of Puss in Boots 2 180 in scale of lock in, or do that with an independent movie with a complete course of action. Darker, complex, longer, and dripping with eye-candy material. It can kill them, or it can revolutionize them, or they choose the route of a slow death as previously. A sort of attempt at a great animation awakening. It’s getting bad, really bad, and if they don’t go haywire, it’s not going to get any better. If it does, it’s because they managed to take a good-ass goddamn risk.

[@Tacom4ster]

Just say the words "Late stage capitalism" that's why movies are getting worse

[@RADARMYBRAT32]

the problem is they're not trying to make good stories

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart why don't YOU make a good story!

[@secretvoids5973]

@@aidanbarnes4290pretty sure this person doesn’t have a full team of people to make storylines, but disney does. there’s no excusing bad storytelling with a corporation as large as these animation studios who are PAID to make good movies, and yet they’re failing miserably and losing money in the process.

[@aidanbarnes4290]

that was a rhetorical question@@secretvoids5973

[@Luvs2spwge-xu6rd]

We need to defrost Walt, bring him back

[@Luvs2spwge-xu6rd]

(This is a joke btw i’m not a conspiracy nut)

[@msk-qp6fn]

Let the dude rest lol

[@KnottsBear-yTalesPreserved]

Nah, they're gonna revive him using AI and then the company will be ran by Walt Disney disguised as Skynet.

[@TheLegendaryMovieCritic]

Disney animation has been playing way too safe while all the other animation studios have made stylistic animated movies the future of animation!

[@AQuietNight]

Get rid of the race swapping and devote your energy to remember your life as a kid, and use your adultness to tell the story clearly. That was Walt Disney's secret.

[@lysander3459]

First and foremost problem with Walt Disney Animation Studios is Jennifer Lee

[@Usrr11]

Here before it blows up. And I totally agree.

[@jaypee116]

Yeah, the lady needs to go.

[@greenstarlover1]

Who?

[@imonlyndon]

⁠@@greenstarlover1she’s the co-creator of the frozen franchise and is the current cco of disney animation

[@vetarlittorf1807]

​@@imonlyndonWhat happened to John Lasseter?

[@kira-dk2mx]

I'm not gonna lie, Wish looks like Disney tried to jump on the cel-shaded bandwagon that put Spiderverse, Arcane and Puss in Boots on the map, but they didn't commit and stopped halfway because "2D BAD!"

[@nicksorenson940]

I'd argue that even those movies that people like to hype up so much don't fully commit as much as they could have either when their characters still look like CGI characters to me. You want to see examples that really pushed away from having the look of CG animation then you can look at stuff like Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero or Disney's own short film Paperman. Heck, while we're at it we should always be wanting to talk more about the movie Klaus and what it did for the look of hand-drawn animation, because while I am open to this recent trend of more experimental looking animated films in general I am also tired of things always having to be about CGI.

[@edwardsaldana2534]

2000s to 2010s Disney animation was the peak and yes I’ve seen most of the renaissance ones. I didn’t grow up in the 90s

[@karamixon5815]

The movie isn't NOT perfect. This movie needed someone to love ❤️ We got a villain 😊 but we needed a girl loved guy or another guy that work . The next animation movie be good, be little crazy for your movie.

[@mykelcohen]

Disney cares more about money than storytelling or the parks. It is doomed.

[@Disneyfan82]

They don't care about money. They care about a meaningless message at the cost of the studios reputation.

[@mykelcohen]

@@Disneyfan82 Um…🤣 you can say that but it does not make it true.

[@Disneyfan82]

@@mykelcohen If they cared about money, they would not still be forcing in woke garbage.

[@Alucard2091]

​@@Disneyfan82They go hand in hand

[@ito2789]

The Rot of Iger needs to be scraped off of Disney.

[@tvb5509]

Releasing a movie on a streaming services has the same vibes as releasing it on dvd. That makes the exclusives seem like straight to dvd movies.

[@jpickens189]

It is hard to tell what you are saying here aside from, "There are times when Disney is in tune with the cultural zeitgeist and times when they are not." Personally, most of my favorite films come from these "struggle periods" you talk about, because, well, they are realistically the majority of the company's output, and great art isn't something you can manufacture, it is something that just happens when it happens. However, the way they have been trying to tell stories since around the time of Treasure planet has been the perfect recipe to avoid making anything that even resembles great art.

[@ggt47]

0:59-1:01 Ugh. Wreck it Ralph 2. The film that ruined the princesses from character design proportation and characterisation and the WIR characters themselves.

[@Manofevil]

You’ve actually given me a reason to like this movie more. It really is a vision of Corporate Disney. Magnifico’s message is exactly that of the corporation. ‘Give me your wish and…maybe…I’ll make it come true. I’m more likely to butcher it,twist it,or bury it, but hey, it’s like the lottery-ya pays yer money and takes your chances. Ya gotta play to win.’ And suddenly you have me wondering if that wasn’t what the writers and filmmakers were going for. What better way to celebrate Disney’s 100th anniversary than to portray the corporatism that has devoured it. How much cooler would it be if they actually did it without meaning to.

[@Muna-Jlore0997]

Disney should’ve made a 2D animated film for WISH but nope. 👎

[@jorijoestar4998]

Disney wishes little mermaid broke even. It lost disney at least 100 Million

[@julianestebanarroyave9509]

I hope disney would go back to adapt fairy tales like they used to do

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart YOU adapt more fairy tales!

[@_chrshcmps]

I think the problem with Disney is that they won't take risk anymore. Abandoning 2D animation because apparently it was "hard" for them. And if they don't do soul less remakes, they make new ones but it's so bad in storytelling perspective like with Wish. It's boring. Encanto, Elementals, Luca and Turning Red are the only recent movies that I actually enjoy 😢

[@ImoTubeReal]

The problem with Disney animation is too Family-friendlyness. Where's the PG-13 and NC-17 animated movies, WE NEED THEM!

[@garrettcarter5622]

i feel like I'm the only person who finds Encanto deeply flawed and not worthy of quite so much praise.

[@blueflare3848]

No movie is perfect, but I enjoyed it.

[@charlesmoss2313]

No need to ever apologize for producing videos about your passion. Love your commentary and perspective. 👍🏻🫶🏻

[@Unsweetened8618]

It's outdated.... Coco was their peak moment....

[@jtszabo1691]

I haven’t watched Luca yet but Soul and Turning Red should’ve been released theatrically

[@kingdomheartsfangrl6]

Everydau i wonder why treasure planet flopped when it was so good in every aspect, truly drives me insane

[@SIMBA-tq2ch]

The fact that a Godzilla movie destroyed both DISNEY AND MARVEL this year is honestly sad and hilarious 😂😆

[@Hulahooping23]

They need to start a new experimental era. Like how the 2000s were their first experimental era and they got success with 3d movies like tangled. They did try a new animation style in wish but it didn’t look good. They need something unique, not completely inspired from other 3d and 2d movies like spiderverse.

[@lexramstudios1386]

Look 2D is making a comeback soon enough because Disney and the co-director of Wish said so themselves that they're planning on making 2D movies again in future projects

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Yes, but it probably won't be the 2D you're thinking of. It will likely be hybrid animation.

[@lexramstudios1386]

@@vetarlittorf1807 look 2D takes forever to be made than 3D so we'll still get one in far future projects

[@PriaMason-o8y]

I liked the black cauldron

[@msk-qp6fn]

Plenty do. Doesnt mean it was a well executed story. The tone and plot is somewhat all over the place

[@Attmay]

Katzenberg killed it as soon as he got to Disney. He was the one insisting on cutting the scariest parts and replacing them with hastily drawn replacements. You can tell the final cut of the film is holding back on us. If the PG-13 rating had been created five years earlier, maybe things would have been different. As it is, it didn’t exist until Ron Miller had already become the fall guy for what-would-Walt-do-ism even though it was his idea to move beyond nature movies, gimmick comedies, and yt girl cover versions of *Song of the South.* He was willing to consent to PG but not R, but by the time the MPAA created this middle ground, it was too late to save his career. Disney may have bounced back financially for a little while, but soon they were back in the same position they were in before, and now they are even worse because unlike then, the department that created all of Walt’s classic features and shorts is no more. All that is left is a glorified clone of Pixar, which has a sword of Damocles hanging over its head as people wonder how long they will both co-exist.

[@riotkitty]

Sadly most of Disney’s problems are self-inflicted. Can’t help the country shut down but they can help hiring actual skilled workers and pushing away their veteran talent, it’s starting to really show with the Little Mermaid remake and Wish. I predict a major drop in quality in all aspects that make a movie in the near future for the company.

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

Oof

[@Drak976]

Home on the range and Chicken little were so mehhh. It was like straight to vhs bad sequels. Even as a teenage guy I still was willing to watch a Mulan or Emperor's New Groove. They just got boring.

[@Disneyfan82]

Home on the Range is already a cult classic among others, more than Chicken Little will ever be.

[@pedroares6562]

Maybe I'm a bit negative, but I would be cautious with the expectations on inside out 2. So far we only know Riley is entering puberty and she develops new emotions. But that premise can crash if the story isn't good.

[@AXander1978]

Cauldron actually made more money and stayed in the theatre longer than Return to Oz

[@lanejoiner1511]

Raise your hand if you my friend want to support Wish by introducing Mr. Iger to legendary 90's country singer Kevin Sharp with his two songs If You Believe and Make a Wish, something new will happen and fix Wish and give the film and 100 years of wonder and magic a second chance. It could be a Ugly Sonic with human teeth change if you know what I mean, Vern.

[@avengefullgirl95]

the dark age of disney-shows a lot of clips of my favorite films. Hmmmmm..... interesting....

[@adrianmorrison4678]

I think you could use some videos to explain the rest of Sony animations. Maybe the Nickelodeon films could also you a talk. Lastly, can you please do a video to explain Disney sidekicks?

[@psychomagalor4902]

Yeah I’m definitely noticing a repetition in your videos, I do hope you’ll be able to focus on stuff you appreciate and are interested in more later on cuz the overabundance of “Why Disney __ Sucks” videos is getting pretty overdone, even if they come from a place of love.

[@blueflare3848]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’d say the biggest problem is that Disney is playing it too safe with their newer movies. These movies are bland and predictable. They’re not allowed to have twist and turns that genuinely shock the audience.

[@michaelmariuzza3594]

I may be a huge fan of Disney. But sometimes I wish they could've done better on going back to their ways on 2D animation instead of 3D and none live-action remakes. Also, make better stories.

[@edwardsaldana2534]

will you cover 2022 chip n dale

[@disneylover6408]

The true problem with Disney: Society

[@MJAYZ007]

I love the rescuers

[@Targetstrike]

speaking of something sinking deeply into status quo and refusing to innovate, that's what Lego Ninjago felt like back in the 11-minute era of the show, and no season was more emblematic of this growing problem than season 15, titled Crystallized and then the next Ninjago show, called Dragons Rising, rolled around, with a lot of status quo changes and new interesting stories that really restored people's faith in the franchise now Disney needs their Dragons Rising moment in order to restore people's faith

[@alephink]

Please review Adam Sandler's "LEO"!

[@beaufonville4454]

I feel bad for Disney, but remind me what "Aldone('s)" *Real Name* is supposed to be, anybody?

[@kwk111]

Honestly the animation of Wish looks insultingly bad. It's as if they slapped a cheap "2d" filter on their normal 3d animation, except the movement lacks the fidelity of their usual 3d films that embraced the sudo-realism. This was one of those movies that simply needed to be hand-drawn, not some half-assed middle ground

[@Simbala-bq5vy]

When I grow up I want to make my own Disney movie As dark as the Hunchback of Notre dame as scary and frightening villain like the horned king from the black cauldron with beautiful 2D animation like the lion king a romantic story like beauty and the beast and catchy songs like the little mermaid The film would be called A dreaming nightmare Its about Amaja a young beautiful and angelic girl living in the states of America shes meeting james in her first day of the new school a bully that actually wants to treat others good but doesn't knoe how because he never experienced kindness because his parents are always arguing they're meeting for an project and to know eachother. Amaja wants to learn the fun life of James like entering forbidden places or making some pranks and james want to know from Amaja how to be nice amd gentle but when Amaja is falling a sleep she wakes up but can't move and cant talk a black creature with big red eyes a smiling grin with horns on his head and with dead hand is crawling on her head is grabbing her arm and bites her. His name is Evil cause hes evil straight up in this universe hes the brother of god and is manipulating and traumatizing people so that they end up killing themselves so that he can torture them in hell this would also feature some Disney characters in hell and heaven maybe even some from other studios Yeah it sounds to dark but that's the point Disney isnt only for kids its for everyone

[@bryantduong959]

I wish Disney will bring back some firearms in the future films( for example: flintlock)

[@callmethecommentcountess9329]

I had to agree with you

[@sistersamich2075]

I always LOVE going to the theatre. I never understood why people would watch a movie at home when there is a literal THEATRE to watch them at!

[@zanir2387]

My biggest wish, to see a full cleansing of the directiva table, iger the first head to roll, mostly because Frozen and Tinkerbell's saga aré my favorite ones.

[@LilyApus]

Disney films flopping as soon as they stop making them musicals just makes me think people want songs and don't actually care about the movie.

[@ghost3337]

I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. They got out of the early 00's rut by buying Pixer and continue succeeding from there by continuing to buy other studios and their IP's. I don't know if Iger has the skillset or the team around him to fix this issue.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

I definitely hope we get a balance of fairy tale adaptations and original films in their future.

[@aidanbarnes4290]

well if your so smart YOU adapt more fairy tales!

[@fantastical-whimsical5937]

In response to the Black Cauldron's tragic failure, management let that project down, not the other way round. Those people brought into the company that you mentioned, actually knew very little about animation and one of them even went into the screening room to cut up the film in a strop to the film not being short enough for his liking, this also damaged the pacing of the film as animators were struggling to fix what had been damaged.

[@MJAYZ007]

Ok but like lets nip this in the bud. We all know why strange world failed and why things like Wish, and among other things. Its because they are also not listening. They are focusing on minorities and bringing them to life and insulting the people that were coming to see the films and then insulting the people who actually are bad. Disney animation is beautiful, but when it comes down it. Strange world wasnt a good film. It was awful and made me wanna go home and watch treasure planet. Thats why people are mad at Disney, we told them to stop focusing on politics for their stories. But they havent and insulted the very people that went to their films anf made up their box office revenue. When you focus on sexuality and "toxic masculinity" and "Girl Bossing" snd having one of your main actresses insulting romance and love and not firing her on the spot is the problem.

[@afrolens9532]

That doesn't nip anything in the bud other than excuse bigotry They used marginalized groups for tokens, sure. But that has always been a thing, hence why the Princess lineup is a thing. Something for the girls Fact of the matter is that the writing AND animation sucks. Not because they "focused more on diversity" because if anything they couldn't write decent stories in favor of diversity anyways A film about an Amazigh girl dealing with magic and stars could have been interesting and diverse. They don't dont do anything with that for Wish. I don't think most people even noticed Asha is Amazigh If you replaced all the characters from Strange World into straight cis white guys, you still end up with a boring movie Atlantis and Gargoyles gave us Black and Native American mixed characters. Gaston was created by a gay man. Pocahontas, as awful as the true story is and this movie is for discounting it, was very much "white man stop destroying everything you deem uncivilized" message. Mulan showing girls can do what men do if they also work hard etc etc Like it's never been a new thing, you guys are just growing up and becoming more aware that politics is kinda everywhere and always has been. But if it's politics you personally do not like, then we apparently need to make it everyone's problem for including people that just exist in life. And you don't have to is the thing We had a whole animation and writers and actors strike for a reason. Veterans of all those fields would join. Did they complain about "diversity"? No they didn't want their jobs taken away from AI, they wanted to be paid better, stop being overworked and maybe they would come out with better material You literally have the workers telling you what the problem is, and you want to waste everyone's time claiming "diversity" is the problem? OK sure we get rid of it and politics all together. Congrats you got a bunch of cis white het dudes overworked and underpaid and loose passion for this craft to the point where stories still decline in quality

[@MJAYZ007]

@@afrolens9532and I have no problems with diversity in fact I want more diverse stories. But what I am saying is that now it just seems that is all they are FOCUSING on for the sake of a film. I believe strange world could of been good, but no I left that theater feeling confused and down right lost. The film wasn't great just like Wish, I really thought Disney was going to do something with it but I just left thinking the sound track is amazing but that's it. You wanna be diverse, create more diverse characters and actually make them with good stories besides just forcing the ideas of characters and focusing on sexuality or gender being your main aspect, and stop doing live action remakes or just remakes in general for movies that actually worked.

[@afrolens9532]

@@MJAYZ007 Does it seem that way because they are “forcing” sexualities and diversity? Or does it seem that way because you don’t see it to begin with? Across the Spiderverse was diversed, even more so than Wish. And sure you still got bigots complaining the same way they complained “they turned Spiderman Black”, but it didn’t dilute the plot and people overall liked it. Including minorities doesn’t dilute the plot, bad writing does. Anytime in Wish did you actually feel her presence as a Black girl was the issue? No, Asha is just a boring character with no purpose. How many Disney movies even focused on a characters’ sexuality? Lost World? Ok that did poorly, what else? If it “seems” like that’s all they focus on these days, again, have you considered it’s because we haven’t seen this much diverse representation to begin with? “We told them to stop putting politics” when? Mulan shouldn’t be a thing. Cinderella shouldn’t be a thing. Snow White shouldn’t be a thing, so either Disney just never listened to the whole “stop putting politics in my media” or you just dislike a very “specific” set of politics

[@MJAYZ007]

@@afrolens9532 yes I agree Asha was a boring character I felt nothing for her and the whole cast was forgettable. But yes I do think they are forcing sexualities and characters of different and minorities in films and making it a bigger deal then it is and that's the problem. I have no problems with movies with diverse characters. Miles Morales is mixed race, he is very well liked because he is his own character with his own depth. But what's happening now is people are trying to force it onto characters that don't need to be forced. Miles is own character with his own strengths and someone I deeply relate to. As I to would do anything protect my own family anytime, any day. I love my family more just as much as Miles with his own. But there's a big difference with that movie and what Disney is doing now with their films.

[@afrolens9532]

@@MJAYZ007 That implies they forced Moana and Encanto and Turning Red, when they are their own stories. Although considering people also claimed those forced politics” that’s what this all tends to go down as Where is this “forcing” coming from? When did it start? If Stranger World and Wish are the only two, then again, we aren’t addressing a problem that needs addressing

[@jpickens189]

The success of the "second renaissance era" was not a function of the power of those films' storytelling, it was a function of meeting the new shape of media as a conduit for relatability and parasocial attachment in a way that was able to avoid rustling the vast majority of their audience's collective jimmies. We did not grow tired of this because they were unable to find new ways to do this formula, we got tired of this because we have grown aware of this formula, and have realized that it does not create good stories. When we yearn for the movies that started this era, it is not because they are good movies, it is because we did not recognize the rot at the center of their creation.

[@KL53986]

I agree, i also hate future and would like to embrace past. Getting old sure is bad.

[@DimmerBamboo]

Lol

[@SPAnComCat]

It's like a Boom and Bust Cycle for Disney.

[@shogue8746]

MY IDEAS FOR NEW DISNEY ANIMATED FILMS THAT COULD WORK: GAME-OPS REDEMPTION: 12 year old Sugar Rush Racer Cyprus Spearmont finds a powerful energy weapon known as a Digi-Blade from beneath the castle, and discovers that he is a Galadin Knight like his mother before him from an experienced Galadin Master named Juramu Tokomi. As Tokomi gets summoned by the High Galadin Neptalia Celagus, informing him about the reemergence of the super viruses, Cyprus gets offered to join the old man alongside his two friends Wreck-It Ralph and Fix-It Felix Jr, and go on an adventure through game worlds and defeat the evil chocolatier/scientist Marthur Magman, who was responsible for opening the door to the Virus Outbreak. Could lead to a show as well. Type of Animation: 2D Japanese Anime. Wreck-It Ralph's equivalent of DC's Earth-2. THE UNDERTALE MOVIE: If Disney wanted to create a new movie about love and friendship, then Undertale is perfect for that. The characters are there, the story is there. All Disney has to do is bring it to the big screen with a blend of 2D/3D hybrid (via Luca), and boom: Undertale. A MULAN II REMAKE: This sequel remake can take place outside China as Mulan can travel to Japan fighting off Lord Kandata (based off of the story The Spider's Thread.) NEW DISNEY VILLAINS IN THIS ORDER: - Marthur Magman - King Andreas - Lord Kandata

[@reinaroja7326]

you forgot to add bill the core and belos alongside doofenshmirtz and the collector with andrias

[@Hulahooping23]

They should try a Princess romance movie. Did you know romance is the highest selling book genre in the world? And the genre is dominated by books catered towards women. The most popular romance book writers are women. Teenage girls also love romantic shows , books and online fan fiction of their favourite characters.

[@blueflare3848]

I can’t imagine why. I would much rather have action or adventure or something. Romance is fine if done right, but not a priority for me personally. I’m fine without it.

[@Brainxjjuicey]

DO NOT bunch up Alice in the wonderland with the other ones. I honestly loved the live action one.

[@Hulahooping23]

I think they should atleast do an experimental movie to see if fans want it. When I say this I mean a movie in traditional animation, and maybe about a princess and a prince. Like classic Disney Princess movies. They should do a movie like that and see if it succeeds. Frozen was the last movie with Princess romance and it did extremely well.