The PROBLEM with Class:y (why i'm worried ...)

[@ericccky]

yooyeon literally dodged a missile i knew the group was gonna be a mess since i heard it’s gonna be managed by mbk. boeun and jimin are quite literally one of the best centers despite their age but their potential is ruined because of a stupid company. if you are not gonna promote them and pretend like they don’t exist, you should just terminate their contract so the girls can do whatever they want.

[@Eiyuu1108]

not making it into the lineup was actually a blessing for her.

[@xiaorina]

@@Eiyuu1108 right like she's doing so well in triples

[@Eiyuu1108]

@@xiaorina yea. she's literally at least 2nd if not the most famous member. her objekts are always in demand and it's hard to complete some of her grids due to the sheer amount of demand

[@brainnotfound337]

i love her, but you gotta admit she wasn't ready to debut at that time anyway, so by debuting later with tripleS, she gained enough time to improve to the level appropriate for debut. i mean just look at her now. she clearly benefited it, she is popular not just because of her visual anymore

[@vashthafellomen816]

So sad to see Boeun wasting her time in this group. Both Boeun and Jimin should have waited to debut later in a bigger and better company.

[@havensohn3821]

It makes me sad that in their recent activities their outfits got shorter and their choreo went from energetic to awkward not fitting them entirely. Mbk seems to forget most of the girls are still children and they should dress them accordingly.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly bruh that’s probably gonna wind up happening to Fantasy Boys since 3/11 members are minors

[@honiismean]

They don't forget, they know exactly what they're doing, that's the scariest part.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@honiismean exactly

[@lesiakaviak7493]

they don't forget,they simply do not care and/or do it on purpose

[@jiaverse]

@@gwenmloveskpopandmoreit’s not probably, it already kind of has lmao when they promoted gesture (predebut track from the survival show) on shows the minor members outfits weren’t rlly appropriate imo but tbh them doing that concept was wrong to begin with bc it’s a very sensual song

[@hongsamwine]

I really liked their minor-friendly concept when they first debuted. But then in their recent comeback they had choreographies of the girls body rolling on the ground and I just can’t bring myself to watch it as a well adjusted adult. The sexualisation of these literal teenagers in hopes to gain attention and new fans is just gross. I hope they go back to their age appropriate concept and stop sexualising boeun and jimin for god’s sake!!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that was kinda weird. They couldn't transitioned in many other ways. So idk why they chose that. But yea, this is also the most recent comeback they've had with Zealous so that's like lowkey the last "memory" that people can associate Class:y with which aint the best.

[@lychie__]

I honestly put all the blame on their company aka MBK. Knowing that company, it wasn’t surprising that Class:y would be experiencing a mismanagement from them one way or another.

[@Ms_HyeSeungyeon]

MBK is actually not around anymore, it’s just Pocketdol Studio now. And seeing what Pocketdol did to BAE173 I’m not surprised

[@bb4251]

mbk ruins all their groups, they keep making survival shows like the UNIT without properly promoting their debut groups. They don't even have the money to be doing all this in the first place lmao

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly bruh look at BAE173 now

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@bb4251exactly bruh they’re too broke

[@lollopolli2962]

​@@bb4251 so y'all are telling me the company doesn't have money but they are still trying to debut new group that is wild 😭

[@lemonade0627]

this is a comparatively small thing but I'm also looking at their styling/concepts and thinking that nothing really stands out. There are some individual outfits/moments that look cool but it doesn't seem very cohesive or memorable. I think they would benefit from having an era where they have a simple, matching, iconic look and a simple memorable mv. Something like oh my girl's liar liar, twice's heart shaker, red velvet's peekaboo, etc etc.

[@cloudchungxiao]

As a group though, do you think theirs's cohesion? I know styling can make the groups from out of sync so I understand what you mean.

[@haewonized]

i need them back 💔 shut down was my 4th most streamed song last year too it’s so sad how they just disappeared

[@tsya]

exactly bes

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

It’s all because of fantasy boys

[@bunwonie]

right? i literally heard nothing from them anymore since tick tick boom 😭

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@bunwonie yeah cuz they have fantasy boys they let them go

[@haewonized]

@@bunwonie yeah, but they did have a jp comeback “target” and a jp digital single “crack crack crackle” this year!

[@claireshi7384]

The outcome of my teenage girl turned away both international fans and Korean fans International fans: - International fans are first turned away with the 1st-4th grade system, where only 4th graders are legal adults. That means 3/4 of the show are minors - There was pretty huge visual bias in the show. First is with the Nonstop performance, where 2 girls performed nonstop terribly but passed because they had visuals, compared to another team that performed River and did much better but didn't pass. International fans only came back when Soyeon called the voters out, but it already left a bad impression on the show (imo, if Soyeon wasn't a judge then I doubt any international fans would watch it) - Kim Yooyeon was a major face on the show, but she was also the center of hate for international fans. It was believed that she consistently ranked high mostly due to her visuals. The show marketed her as a person who tries to improve, but she didn't show much improvement, which was apparent in her Leon performance. International fans believe she only has visuals and wasn't ready to debut. - First and Second grades all have great talents despite their age like the minor line in Class:y, Lee Youngchae, Yoo Seungjoo, Minami, Choi Soobin, Choi Sarang, etc.. This creates a dilemma for international fans to support them or not. As a result, International fans turned away from this show Korean fans: - Yooyeon not debuting made Korean fans lose interest in Class:y, since she has ranked consistently high but didn't make it. So by the end of my teenage girl, there wasn't anyone there to support Class:y, which already put them into a rough start.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly bruh. Whereas My Teenage Boy they had Korean fans all the way through

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, the show was a lot in that there was so much to actually think about beyond the whole aspect of it being a survival show. Idk why but I didn't even watch Fantasy boys which idk if it was because of the chaos within my teenage girl

[@deanab-se5op]

Their CEO is ex DIA-member. Is this revenge? She should've known how she was treated.

[@yohanedescends4683]

a lot of kfans hate her and think she’s narcissistic with the way she always forces herself into group stuff and think she’s trying to relive her idol life through the group

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I saw the whole Chuseok thing where she was the center. But she wasn't in DIA for long so idk. Thought there would be more empathy to kinda navigate the kpop idol life. Might just be jaded though.

[@aldm3232]

Yooyeon dodged a nuke honestly

[@cloudchungxiao]

The absolute contrast of how TripleS is doing compared with Class:y is just wow

[@heonybutter7695]

@@cloudchungxiao yeah, the management is obviously better

[@miadavis4837]

Just going to throw out there that I think another issue with the group is the lack of accessibility. Literally all of the biggest 4th gen groups have done English subtitles on their videos since day one and you have to go back to IOI from the original Produce 101 to find a group from a survival show that didn't do English subtitles on everything (though thankfully they had a passionate fanbase that subbed their shows for them). It's true that Western fans aren't the best when it comes to physical album sales but we do help push our favorite groups with streaming especially, not to mention the fact that international fans from other countries (i.e India, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc.) also use English subtitles to follow their favorite groups. Class:y is missing out on this by not including English subtitles in anything that they do.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I do wonder how much of a western fanbase / english speaking fanbase they have but also whether that gets taken into consideration. Sometimes I feel some groups focus more on solidifying themselves domestically. Almost like how Oh My Girl has done so well for themselves despite having majority of a domestic fanbase.

[@miadavis4837]

@@cloudchungxiao Yeah I don't think that they have the biggest international fanbase, especially with all of the literal children that are in the group. I think that might actually be why they prioritized a Japanese debut since Japan is a lot more accepting of younger idols (like Sakura from Le Sserafim who debuted in HKT48 at age 13 and Matsui Jurina who debuted in AKB48 at age 11) But, when you look at the videos from the survival show there are a lot of English language comments so I feel like it might have been worth it to pay the small amount of extra money to get the English subtitles just to see if it helps. There are even regular foreign youtubers and new groups from tiny companies that are doing English subtitles now so I'm guessing it's not super expensive.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea that's true. If they put in effort to bring attention to their survival show with english subtitles than they should kinda continue to maintain to continue accommodating the same audience they would want to translate to once the debut occurs

[@eternal_love7879]

mbk could have a lot of potential contents during this hiatus. like uploading self vlogs again, covers that showcasing their talents (group or solo). people should know that mbk is small one, like C9 and others. Two years of hiatus on cignature and came back great than before. I agree to the one comment here that hiatus is somehow a great thing since these girls esp maknae line can focus on diff things esp their studies. But this is one of the high potential rookies and the longer the wait, more people will forget them and loose hype.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that last line is where I think it could lead if they don't do clarify Class:y's situation. Idk the size of MBK considering they've had a roster of artists and groups within their company. They just seem to always have money to throw apparently.

[@eggsnhashbrowns]

man... i just want hyungseo to see some success :( she deserves sm better (and all the other girls too ofc)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea. Hyungseo and Yeseo though. Both defs saw more success now than with Busters but it's nothing life changing to the point that I would they have revitalised their career unfortunately

[@eggsnhashbrowns]

@@cloudchungxiao no i agree so much!!! kep1er and class:y are horribly mismanaged despite their potential. but yeah, at least it’s better than busters era

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, a lot of the buster members have done things to see new success. I mean there's one participating in Universe Ticket. Another in TripleS.

[@jessnalulila5552]

I remember some people talking about them on social media, but the hiatus ruined the attention. Classy isn't a popular group that can go long a period of time without a comeback like TWICE or BlackPink.

[@cloudchungxiao]

What do you mean by some people talking about them; like in a good or bad way?

[@jessnalulila5552]

@@cloudchungxiao just talking about how "x" members from Produce will finally debut or something on that line

[@cloudchungxiao]

Wait what? from produce? How does that relate to Class:y?

[@kvrizv]

Not sure if this was intentional, but this video coming out a year after their last Korean album, Day & Night, really emphasizes how long it's been. I remember realizing while watching the show that MBK (regardless of how they want to rebrand) was essentially the ones that would be managing CLASS:y, and any expectations I had immediately hit rock bottom. On top of mismanagement of DIA and BAE173, it's important to see how they managed other survival show groups UNB, UNI.T, and 1THE9. UNI.T disbanded after five months prematurely, UNB disbanded after eight months, 1THE9 probably had the "best" (I use that word loosely here) career having lasted the full 1.5 years of their contract, but also had an eight month hiatus between their second and third mini album (though this was largely b/c of the pandemic). DIA hadn't had a comeback in over two years before they released their final digital single and their contracts expired in 2022. BAE173 haven't had a comeback in over a year now despite finishing Top 5 on PEAK TIME, which I would think the smart thing would be to capitalize on that and try to use that bit of buzz to release something (like ATBO, DKB, or even the debut of rebranded SEVENUS). The other thing that bothers me with My Teenage Girl/CLASS:y is I feel like there hasn't been much known of the contestants after the show. Like, after a Produce series or Planet series, any competition show really, it feels like there's an influx of groups debuting with "X" member from "Name of Competition Show" for the next year and a half. Lee Jiwoo (Grade 3) and Kim Yooyeon (Grade 4) debuted with tripleS, Choi Yunju (later Seo Yunju; Grade 3) debuted with mimiirose, and Kim Suhye (Grade 3) debuted with LIMELIGHT. And that's been it. As much as the Grade 3 trainees were hyped up and showed their talents, where are they now? The rap line of Oh Jieun, Kim Yunseo, and Kim Hyunhee, a potential ace in Lee Taerim, even Grade 2 standouts Minami and Lee Youngchae, it'd be great to see them debut and given a chance to succeed. Ultimately, it'd be a nice surprise to see CLASS:y properly managed. This might be the one time I wish a competition show group's contract wasn't as long. It would be great to see the younger members find better companies to debut under and given a fair chance. I would hope the three members of CLASS:y that were in Grade 4 (Hong Hyeju, Myung Hyungseo, and Yoon Chaewon) could have a VIVIZ moment and continue as a trio. It's wishful thinking, but the group deserves better.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly cuz BAE173 only had 1 comeback due to my teenage girl in 2021 and now it seems like the comeback they were promised this year won’t be happening. I’d rather have them disband then keep going on hiatus ofc this would hurt poor Hangyul already more than before.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

BAE173 aren’t the only peak time group screwed that got in top 10 or top 6. Mont, 24K, and NTX are too

[@cloudchungxiao]

I didn't really get to hear much about the unit but holy moly; that's wilde to prematurely disband a survival show group. Like they couldn't even last that long with managing them while still managing the boy group equivalent. But yea, plus 1The9 too; damm, MBK really be grabbing all the survival show groups that aren't MNET. But yea, MBK really has no redeeming quality about them. That is kinda true what you're saying about post my teenage girls; like people are debuting from that show but very few of them were the notable contestants we imagined would quickly debut. As for the grade 4 of Class:y doing a subunit; like that seems so legit tbh. They got a little bit of everything where I could see Viviz/Misamo type of concept.

[@arsal_62]

It really sucks because theyre like one of my favourite groups I love their music and their lineup is incredibly talented and well rounded if promoted well they could have been huge. I really hope they really get better promotions and more comebacks in 2024

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, what's up with all these companies taking extended hiatuses. We saw this with Weeekly, Lightsum and Everglow. Add Class:y onto the list and it's like what the hell?

[@clara-rq9my]

their music is so good and the girls are SO talented. i hope they make it

[@cloudchungxiao]

We just need a comeback to get the ball rolling again

[@robin_silas]

I feel like every girl group that was formed by survival shows since Iz*one have been a constant miss, and they can only achieve moderate success at best. People are never satisfied with the final lineup or the management of the group after the debut.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I wanna say the fact My Teenage Girl was not a MNET program made it inevitable that they wouldn't live up to those expectations but yea, post-MNET vote manipulation. We haven't seen any strong survival groups. This might change with ZB1 though.

[@panoramaizone]

Planet ticket final group is gonna be the next flop group 😭

[@claireshi7384]

Illit is the only group surviving right now. But this is mostly due to them debuting long after R U Next ended + They're from hybe. Hybe managed to make us forget the hot mess of R U Next and market them as a fresh group.

[@jiaverse]

i’m worried they’re about to do the same thing over again with fantasy boys in terms of overworking them and then putting on hiatus, bc fantasy boys were promoting actively until like last week for their debut album and they just announced a comeback for late nov…. they’ve also been going back and forth between korea and Japan like crazy but they didn’t do any official Japanese debut, just released Japanese mv versions of their songs

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, they're making such a quick turnaround with a comeback plus japanese version of their released songs; that's all in the territory of what M25 did for Class:y I think the reception could potentially be different which might influence them to continue to push them. It really depends on whether Pocketdol will continue to take on more groups tbh; which hopefully they dont and can jsut focus on the few they have

[@light_bit]

They tend to favor boy group. Especially if the boy group end up hit. But, let's take a look how they treat unb and uni.t. while uni.t disband just like that. Unb has solo concert as their last stage. Especially they also sold around 90k for 2 album compare to uni.t who manage to sales around 25k for 2 album. Like fantasy boys manage to sold 100k album which is the highest number ever for MBK group for a while and surpass class:y who just manage to sold 70k for 3 album. I believe fantasy boys will get better treatment compare to class:y.

[@cloudchungxiao]

But surely they've kinda learnt through the amount of groups they've gone through. Like if it's only money they're after; don't pick up groups to manage and stop debuting girl groups as it seems like they get the best results with boy groups. But yea, I do see how album sales can influence company decisions but if it leads to them doing nothing with the other groups; then it'll be better to just disband them as oppose to wasting their time

[@alexandramonetlo]

they need more comebacks :(

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, it's been over a year since their last Korean comeback like how???

[@vashthafellomen816]

The issue with Jimin being number 1 is actually tied to the issue of Yooyeon not making the group. They did a 50k pt bonus in the finale. That allowed the producers to put in Riwon and kick Yooyeon. It also allowed Jimin to get 1st place when in reality she would have been 5th place. So her fan power is not as big as the number 1 ranking would indicate.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, what's interesting is that Yooyeon would have ranked 7th which is kinda inconsistent with how she's been ranking and Hyungseo would have ranked 1st without the benefit which they ain't really pushing her too

[@vashthafellomen816]

@@cloudchungxiao In the finale they change up the voting which favored the older girls. Younger voters prefer online voting. Older voters were apt to do the text voting. So the last episode included voting that was totally different from the voting method that occurred throughout the show. We also have to acknowledge that Yooyeon took a hit because of the poor Leon performance. But she should have debuted with CLASS:y over Riwon. I do like Riwon btw.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Really? Didn't focus to much on voting during the show to now how it was decided, but if that's true then the final rankings reflect older voters preference? That's kinda interesting because they should have had voters impact reflect how the demographic they were trying to target to optimize the interest of the group

[@rainesaeng6087]

Yooyeon has improved a lot

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh for sure. Lowkey thought My Teenage Girl was her only chance to become an idol but glad she got another chance with TripleS

[@pasteldreams_]

thanks for the video. definitely gave some clarity on the situation happening with these girls

[@cloudchungxiao]

Defs could have been a situation where they become forgotten considering how early in their career they are having their extended hiatus

[@TomsMusicCorner]

Well, the whole minor section is rather unnecessary, because the show was called MY *TEENAGE* GIRL. The problem lies more in how they were marketed. I'm thinking in particular of the end of Tick Tick Boom in the MV. There I was already thinking that I find that rather inappropriate. Regarding the promotion part I can only agree 100%. A few additional thoughts: - I actually liked their music very much, even better than Kep1er but now they are invisible. - I'm glad that Yooyeon didn't make it. We have her in tripleS and they are slaying. They are nominated @ MAMA for ROTY (together with Kiss of Life and others). CLASS:y is where again? Even if I contradict myself here* but maybe this hiatus is quite good to let the girls mature a bit. On the other hand, they fall into oblivion. *Everyone knows how important the first 2-3 years of a rookie are. Well, and to know, that MBK (their subs) is responsible didn't help in any way.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Even if the show is called my teenage girl, doesn't mean that it's right and there should still be concern. The ending of tick tick boom is a little side eye; I mean they could have transitioned to that tree like pose in other ways. Damm, now that you mention it, Classy didn't even get considered for ROTY last year but then in saying that; last year had a beast of a line up so I can kinda see why they didn't get selected. Kinda unfortunate timing tbh. As for the hiatus being good for them; what would the purpose of them maturing be for though? Like just to experience life or for concept purposes when they make a comeback? I feel like they could easily fall into the Bvndit type hiatus where they'll basically be starting all over again if they take too long of a hiatus.

[@TomsMusicCorner]

@@cloudchungxiao "As for the hiatus being good for them; what would the purpose of them maturing be for though?" Maybe they saw the reactions like "ugh that's inappropriate" or something. But honestly I'm more worried. I like the girls because of their talent and TTB was actually also my favorite of them but except of their anniversary song they released nothing this year. This is wasted potential. So I wonder what the point of a show called MTG was if people are discussing their age more than their music? (but I guess this is only a problem for international fans) The best part of the show was actually when Soyeon roasted the voters (the clip with the 2 untalented but cute girls) and Sones reactions when they tried to put Yuri in a bad light. Never has a show apologized so quickly.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think alot of people were already kinda iffy about MTG and so when the show ended; that was more outrage because they actually went through with it and the debut results were kinda shocking to some in that they portion of minors was crazy higher than how people would have imagined a group to have. But yea, there has been no clear reason or explanation for this hiatus which leaves fans to wonder and come to their own conclusions

[@alexia3552]

It's disgusting from the first to the last that a company of adults decided to put together a show about packaging and selling underage beauty to the public. Is their main source of revenue from pedophiles?

[@jenaries]

I literally want their potential not to go to waste

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, literally should be their period to pop off considering they're still rookies

[@Nexav_MLCY]

Their company is wild. Btw they're back, CLASS:y just uploaded the mv but I don't know if that counts as they're back because there's no promotion.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, not like an official comeback but a good step to hopefully prepare for something in 2024.

[@cloudchungxiao]

They are performing this on stages now. Still not a proper comeback but sounds like maybe good things for 2024

[@allinushiitzy]

I'm really desperate for class:y's comeback 😭 I NEED MY GIRLS BACK, I feel like if they do a comeback it's gonna be a banger

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, omg literally maybe last month was a small cohort of MTG alumnis who made their debut and it would have been so cool for them to do like tik tok challenge reunions.

[@0regretsinlife]

I remember being obsessed with their debut in 2022. It’s wild how it’s been almost two years since then

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, i wonder what's holding the company back from releasing a proper comeback?

[@ketekunphanith1344]

I love how detailed the video is. As you mentioned, which K-pop artists/groups do you think are promoted in the happy middle ground?

[@Ruby_Spacek]

I feel like aespa has regular nicely spaced out well promoted comebacks

[@anarecinos1590]

​@LilSubutex I agree. Aespa has enough momentum and rest going on for them.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks. When you say promoted in the happy middle ground; do you mean they're not too overworked with promotion but also they're not getting the bare minimum?

[@ketekunphanith1344]

@@cloudchungxiao You're welcome. Yes. I am just curious since you mentioned about it in the video.

[@cloudchungxiao]

StayC would be a good happy in the middle. Not doing the most, but also doing enough to try to continue to get their name out

[@aleahscottage]

Honestly I didn't watch the show because I was so uncomfortable with the amount of children on the show... and I'm not against minors, I just think its best if they're at least 16 when they debut. But like, 13 really??? Why are we debuting children that are still growing. I think it is so weird, like they may be 13 and 14, but still could easily pass as like 11. A more recent example of this is Soewon from Unis, because that girl still had her canine teeth growing in on the show, and then she turned 13 and graduated freaking elementary school soon after. It isn't even a worry about the internet at that point, but about their mental health and well being because that is far, far too young to be working long hours like that. It isn't good.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Nah, totally get it. It's lowkey the hypocrisy of me because I want to advocate for the protection of minors debuting in idol groups but I also watched the show? In saying that, I only supported mainly 4th graders (18 -21 yo) with the only exception of Minami but still just shows that it's kinda mostly all talk and no "game" for a lot of people which is why i think minors debuting in kpop idols will always continue to happen.

[@Cosmicles]

Yooyeon got a better deal 😂😂😂

[@cloudchungxiao]

Kinda but also not what you're talking about but with the whole legal battle with the 1st place winner of fantasy boys, it seems like Yooyeon could have gotten a better contract deal if what Yu Junwon said is correct

[@ivanavrncaa]

I am just so sad :( Hope my girls can have a comeback soon, they deserve better :((

[@cloudchungxiao]

Can't believe it's been more than a year

[@lizrosies_classy]

I KNOW FOR SURE IF BOEUN OR JIMIN DEBUTED IN A BIG 4 COMPANY, THEY'LL BE BRAND AMBASSADORS RN AS THEY SHOULD 😢 For YooYeon, i think she is so lucky, first on the show, then on TripleS who is now so successful 😢 + the best was to sign a 2 years and half contract like IZ*ONE

[@cloudchungxiao]

I got a question. If Class:y got the same treatment as Iz*one though? Would you still want a 2 1/2 year contract for them or is it mainly to do with the mismanagement happening atm?

[@MoMotaroDaisuke]

From being too good to being nugu 😢 what a drastic change of events.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, from making so much comebacks to absolutely nothing; it's really so weird.

[@everyone_junmin]

It's been a year since their last Korean release...

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, hopefully we hear something soon

[@light_bit]

Having minor in the group was understandable for class:y case because majority of their local fans was as old as them. While international one are usually vote for grade 3rd and 4th grade (which its something that i done). And for 3rd grade case was after their cooky action on first battle. Many of viewers turn the vote for 4th grade after they won the battle. As we can see. 4th grade rangking start to rising and 3rd grade was the opposite.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea the format of the show; it was relatively inevitable to have minors. Plus the combination of domestic fans favoring minors and having major voting powers, it was "expected." As for the 3rd graders, I wanna say that first battle shouldn't have impacted them that much to not have any of them debut. I mean we still had a lot of other performances after that where people were vibing with certain 3rd graders.

[@light_bit]

@@cloudchungxiao i agree with that. They still deliver their best. But i just notice they rank drop in every announcement. Especially hyunhee. And its also getting worse after that smoking rumor that happen to one of them.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh yea, some of there standings were consistent. Smoking rumors? I must have missed something

[@light_bit]

@@cloudchungxiao its yoonjung a.k.a stella actually

[@cloudchungxiao]

Really? damm, when was this?

[@InstinctiveLoveKoori]

Yooyeon wasn't the face of the show, she was just the most controversial. Knetz loved her because she was pretty, but a lot of international fans hated her because she was obviously not as prepared skill-wise compared to the other girls she was competing against. The Leon performance had the judges going 'we don't have anything to say' because it was so bad

[@ichigokururin540]

Yooyeon was the most popular trainee no matter if she was hated internationally she was still the most known and people knew the show because of her

[@nanarae2921]

@@ichigokururin540 but if she wion, she ain't gonna improve as much as she had in tripleS now anyways.

[@cloudchungxiao]

She may have been controversial because her skills were lacking but she was still consistently ranking in the top 5 which kinda says something about her popularity. Plus being the face of the show doesn't necessarily mean you have to be liked all the time. It's just kinda encompassing the idea of having most of the attention or being the first contestant in mind when thinking of the show which I would say she was for either her visuals or even her skills

[@aliyai4000]

i have to admit - i totally forgot about them for a brief moment. that hiatus didn't help them. ironically, i've heard a song of theirs as an anime opening for a show i genuinely adored (undead girl murder farce) literally like this summer. it hit like a whiplash to see them in the credits for the opening theme even if crack crack crackle absolutely slaps. so it's not like they were on full hiatus or haven't released absolutely anything notable in 2023 (if anything, this anime was among the most anticipated releases of the year, and yet... even with them in the credits AND with a bomb opening theme it wasn't capitalized enough). yeah, as many have also said, 100% full blame on the company on this behalf. i don't even know what the fuck mbk wants to be anymore, ignore everyone, try to be like a label but also kinda not, and it's a shame since these girls are talented, especially on the vocal department and in spite of their age. also for fuck's sake mbk, let them be kids.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, defs not on a hidden away hiatus because they're also active-ish on socials. It's just their bread and butter is being ignored

[@Yummyyumiix]

Honestly, they’re just using the Christmas song as an excuse that they don’t need to comeback and as well as target. I’m only going to count target as a comeback but it’s just really sad how we haven’t had new music in about a year and the company is just mistreating them. I don’t know why companies choose Japanese promotions over Korean promotions. You know it does way better than that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they become like Weki Meki, where they don’t have a comeback for about 3 years

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I mean Fantasy boys are approaching the same point where Classy would be for their as of now last Korean comeback so we'll just have to see where Pocketdol do more with them too. But it really is such a waste of time to have such members just not do anything.

[@Yummyyumiix]

@@cloudchungxiao when do you think they will have a comeback? also can you do one on lapillus

[@cloudchungxiao]

Not sure. They just gave Chaewon a special project single. There hasn't been a sign indicating much will change which is so confusing in what exactly is the issue. As for Lapillus, I don't really follow them that much but I can defs look into them to see if I feel like I can see what's happening.

[@Yummyyumiix]

@@cloudchungxiao definitely and make a video on it

[@2wo2n]

one thing abt them that is so slay is that they did a double album debut idk if u know that

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I mentioned that. What are your thoughts on the double album debut?

[@SweetforS]

I must correct you here that no they never debuted with a 13 year old. What did happen was she was selected for the group in the final live at 13 and eleven months (she's born near the end of march 08 and she was chosen at the end of February). Then they did one week of PRE-debut promotions with their song from the survival show much like vcha, who is also currently predebut with a 13 year old. Riwon was also just turned 15 at debut. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I did want to note that its actually 3 fourteen year olds, a fifteen year old, and three young adults. I just don't like incorrect information bc everyone always labels Seonyou as 13 when she's born in march but debuted in May aka after she turned 14.

[@quillettt]

Seonyu, Boeun and Jimin are 15. Riwon is 16. Chaewon & Hyeju are 20 with the oldest at 22.

[@Jenlisachaesoo]

@quillettt I was about to comment the same thing

[@SweetforS]

@@quillettt that’s irrelevant cause that’s their ages now. We are talking about as of May 5th, 2022 not today.

[@SweetforS]

@@Jenlisachaesoo I’m talking about debut day though obv read the comment and I’m correcting what they said about _debut_. That’s like me saying what ages bts or txt was at debut and then someone interjecting with current ages. Not what I’m talking about here bc clearly I know. I memorize birthdays of most idols

[@cloudchungxiao]

I did consider the Suprise performances as a part of their debut which technically would be wrong because that isn't their official debut date so I do see where the confusion might be. But yea, irrespective of what age they were of debut. the sentiment of debuting at such a young age of 13, 14 and 15 is the same.

[@Taeminforever140]

See, everyone gets mad when groups debut minors, but then majority of Kpop Stan’s now complain or say 25 year olds are too old to be idols. Like what? You except these people to be idols for only 3 years? If you make fun of older idols, you’re obviously going to end up with minors in groups since they are new and fresh.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh damm, never heard that before. Is there an example of kpop stans complaining about older idols? I've heard about this happening with domestic kpop fans but this has been a while ago considering they've kinda stopped doing that.

[@Taeminforever140]

@@cloudchungxiao look at what happened with Hui from pentagon? While he was in boys planet, he got so much hate because he was an older idol. SHINee, Super Junior, Exo, and older groups get called hags, old, “washed up” by new fans everyday. Kpop has debuted idols from 13-16 for decades, but whenever they debut a group who has older idols, they never get the same recognition. It didn’t mean much back then because most of the fandoms were young too, we grew up with these idols. There’s A.C.E, and tempest who debuted with no minor members and are so underrated and thrown under. But debut a group with a 14 year old, and they become super popular. I see it happen all the time, that fans will call any idol older than 20, old, hag. Even companies don’t debut idols older than 20 because they don’t get enough attention, and if there is a group with older members, there’s always a few minors thrown in.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Damm, okay. I kinda remember but don't remember the whole Hui situation. I thought it was more that he already has experience and opportunities that they wanted others to get the opportunity to debut. As for Exo and Shinee, never heard them be called hags or washed up. Super Junior though; I think that all comes from problematic things they've done but not sure what. But yea, especially in Korea, there is a fascination with age and that definitely can influence the way people perceive idols

[@Taeminforever140]

@@cloudchungxiao then you’re not seeing what I’m seeing, because I see SHINee, exo, any group with idols older than 26 get called hags and washed up, daily by fans. Super junior, has nothing to do with them being problematic, that’s a different issue, but calling them old. People call Taemin old and washed up, and he’s the same age as Suga, but because they are a 2nd gen group, they are considered old hags by newer generation fans. Look at the old jokes that happen with Bangchan and he’s only 25-26.

[@cloudchungxiao]

The whole Super Junior thing; is more like because they've done problematic things, they resort to calling them names which includes reference to them being old. But yea, defs not on that side of Kpop so have not seen most of what you're saying but considering the stories that I've heard and kinda seen on the news of the toxicity of kpop; I can see that for sure.

[@kathy230]

It's a shame that these girls are going through this. I remember following them on their debut because I was intrigued by them. I liked their debut album but then I lost track of them and wondered "where are they?" And I was surprised to see that they have not had a comeback and I am even more surprised that their agency does not even have compassion in putting subtitles on their channel {I am international fa} nor do they upload regular content like the groups do since this will help to know and connect with the members and there are none, I hope things change or else they will remain stagnant

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, what is happening and why are they not doing anything? This is so strange and with even more bigger groups continuing to grow, they will start to slowly fall even more behind if M25 don't do anything. Plus kinda on but off topic, but did you see that Hyunhee and Minami are both debuting in separate girl groups?

[@panoramaizone]

In their last KZbin video they had english subtitles

[@mariaakaannie6138]

I think it's really sad that they're not more successful because they're really insanely talented, and the minors thing seems hypocritical now when there's so many young idols debuting (one of the more recent cases being jyp debuting a 13 yearold). I agree that minors should not debut and it is very disturbing that they are forcing diets on young idols (but this also is a fault of the trainee system), but the fact that so many international fans stan groups like new jeans and yet complained about class:y is ironic. I think Shut Up was a brilliant debut song, but the promotions should be way better. They're insanely talented singers and with good promo, that could have made them blow up.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, idk if some justify stanning certain groups with minors in comparison to Class:y to the fact that Class:y has a significant amount of minors but a minor is a minor. I was gonna also bring up that new global JYP group but I wasn't sure how the debut line up was chosen. Like was it by JYP himself or fan voted. As for promotions, yea, I feel like they're the type that could relatively bounce back from hiatus. But it also depends how long this will be and if this a recurring too.

[@krisuler7734]

You dont think minors should debut? Mhmm so did you boycott Beiber?? Billie Eilish? They debuted at 12 and 13 respectively 😂😂😂😂 selena gonez…hilary duff…miley cyrus…mhmmm or is it just when other nations do it? The West can do wtva tf they want right? The hypocrisy is crazyyyy

[@cloudchungxiao]

I don't really vibe with any of the artists that you've mentioned but I do get what you're trying to say. I think there's a lot of ethical issues to debuting minors which we can't deny. Western and Korean music industry have such a different way they operate so they have both similarities and differences. But yea, ultimately they way people vocalise their opinion doesn't translate to their actions which the opinions for the most part are always intended to ensure the safety of the minors

[@W-I463]

​@@krisuler7734 all those people you named... EVERYONE agrees that being a child star messed them up. So what hypocrisy are you talking about?

[@YanelArez]

I had pretty mixed feelings through the whole show about how young some of the contestants were. A part of me didn't want to root against them just for being young because I don't want their dreams to be crushed and some of them were/are really skilled. But I can't help but worry about how healthy it is to have this kind of career at that age. Aside from what you mentioned I am also concerned about growing up in the public eye because there are a lot of former child actors in hollywood talking about how bad it was for them etc. A part of me hoped that it would somehow end up being only seniors and maybe juniors in the group just because of the ages. I'm not unhappy with the final lineup as all of the seniors who made it in were people I was rooting for but I was surprised at how many of the young contestants made it into the group. I sincerely wish them the best and I hope they will be able to live their dreams and not just be crushed by the endless rat-race of having a career at an age where you should be allowed to just be a kid too.

[@cloudchungxiao]

That's a consensus concern that many have had about this group. There have been some concerning things but nothing too major to warrant complete concern. Just hope idol life is all that they truly want and that they still have the passion for being an idol so it doesn't feel completely horrible being in such a cut throat industry. Have you seen Universe Ticket. If so thoughts? because they're facing a similar issue initially with the age of the contestants

[@YanelArez]

@@cloudchungxiao I haven't seen Universe Ticket, but if they have contestants of similar ages to my teenage girl I assume I would have similar concerns.

[@cloudchungxiao]

The age range is 12-24 with the youngest being born in 2011 so there are defs concerns. At this point in time, the youngest remaining contestant though is still 12 but she's turning 13 in two weeks which still not the best thing.

[@Galaxykep1er]

I miss them fr 😭

[@cloudchungxiao]

It's been too long

[@lisagarcia115]

It’s so sad bc the line up is sooo stacked, and they’ve gotten little to no good music, no promo like just SLEPT on

[@nanarae2921]

their songs are literally fire but to each their own

[@cloudchungxiao]

I mean they haven't been active for that long so we'll just have to wait and see but yea, we can't be having these long hiatuses though

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Ofc because of Fantasy Boys both BAE173 and Classy have been getting neglected

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I mean both got "dropped" around the same time which is wild. Plus with Nam Dohyun winning his injunction; which he was already being excluded, I wonder what will happen to Bae173 considering they're also rookies with potential.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@cloudchungxiaoYeah and They’ve already Fumbled the bag with FB considering they lost their lost popular member and then another member is on a long “hiatus”

[@alexa121889]

International fan here. The ages definitely threw me off, but truthfully the girls who made it are super talented. The shows strength and weaknesses was they had really talented kids. I support classy just they don't have lots of promos.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I wonder how international fans are feeling about UNIS (universe ticket's group) because if they were outraged about Classy, oof.

[@rome4210]

I like 3 of them a lot, I like some of their songs a lot, but they were mostly non trained and they didn’t have that idol X factor that probably only the older member with previous experience had. I wish they have a comeback to test the waters but it seems unlikely. 😢

[@cloudchungxiao]

Not sure about X factor but yea I don't think most of them was in my ideal line up. However, they still did their thing up until they were promoting properly. But yea, the next comeback will really kinda determine their fate even though the company has messed up their momentum.

[@purpledreamcatcher]

I miss my girlies :(

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, it's been a while. Whose your bias?

[@purpledreamcatcher]

@@cloudchungxiaochaewon

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh nice, crazy to see her get kinda overlooked despite how dominating she was in the show.

[@purpledreamcatcher]

@@cloudchungxiao fr, i barely see any chaewon stans

[@cloudchungxiao]

Really? I feel like within the group, she's pretty high up. On a larger scale, it's kinda still small but yea, it's all just unfortunate

[@gomezcried]

Could you make a video about the group woo!ah? It's because they simply disappeared and we haven't seen the group since 2022 with a 'roller coaster' and I would like to see your opinion on the current situation of the group. (P.s: your videos are amazing ❤)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Thanks, don't really know too much about Woo!ah. I think I was talking to someone in the comments about them but kinda found out about them because of Queendom Puzzle. Will have a look at them though to see whether I can do a video on them though

[@kookie9449]

Its like been 2 years where are they- 😭

[@cloudchungxiao]

What's crazy is that they know the members exist considering Chaewon made a kinda solo debut last month so I'm really confused in what they are doing.

[@Lalalalala98872]

i think pocketdol/mbk is focusing on Fantasy Boys rn bc they’re making more money through them. Fantasy Boys sold 200k copies of their first 2 albums while Class:Y sold 70k, so mbk is prob trying to save money by throwing class:y into the basement :((

[@cloudchungxiao]

That could definitely be on of the reasons but the surely early disbandment should be coming their way because what would be the purpose of keeping them in the basement. And also, they did give Chaewon a solo which wasn't even really promoted. They're like kinda but not really doing things while also actually not doing anything.

[@tracyalcero1196]

Class:y would have been big if they were at a different company

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, would be interesting to see how they would have been promoted if they were in diff companies.

[@Megan-bw5zh]

I actually think of classy as the only successful "boycott" by international fans due to the ages of the members. At debut classy held the record of having the youngest active kpop idol in the lineup and that should tell you something. I remember fans being upset about the line up (and the fact that the show itself had a category made up of 12 year olds) that turned away a lot of potential fans and the group never regained the international popularity the survival show itself had. Not to mention their weird concept that seems to be too childish and too mature at the same time... like the debut song was very child like but the concept pic in this thumbnail made them look like kids playing adults (and for some reason the youngest members are wearing the most reviling clothes with one concept pic on twt where the pink dressed girl was had the skirt so high up her underwear was almost showing)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Idk if it's that successful. I think they were doing relatively decent for themselves. With the comments mostly in favor of them; I would say the reception is not completely giving boycott vibes. In saying that; I don't think people who are opposed of Classy would actually watch this video so there is a bit of a skew in terms of commenting and equating that to the general reception of CLass:y. But yea, It's more the hiatus that's hurting them that the fact that they have minors. Kpop has very little autonomy when it comes to idols making their own decisions so the second para reinforces the whole ethical issues of debuting minors.

[@CJesss]

All I remember and liked from them was Shutdown

[@cloudchungxiao]

Nice, my fav is Zealous

[@NeonReactionsPierre]

The whole "minor" discussion is so stupid..... Back in the day nobody had a problem with "the Hanson brothers" who made their first music video being 16, 14 and 11 ... Miley Cyrus first album when she was 14 ...... Ashley Tisdale was 8 when she started touring with the ensemble of Les Miserables for two years...... People should really chill about all the minor issues they have. They watch a freaking survival show MY TEENAGE GIRL with 75% minors (all classes 1, 2 and 3 were minors not yet 17 - only class 4 had girls 18 and above) and then complain about minors being in the lineup at the end.... just chill and don't watch the show if you have a problem with it. They enjoyed the show and the eliminations and the back and forth of the minors.... so why cry out when they actually debut.... Such a effed up wrong world view...

[@Megan-bw5zh]

I think this discussion in kpop is a bit more nuanced ever since one produce series director literary described survival shows as a kind of soft porn for adult fans... so the goal of debuting minors by Korean comapnies is often much darker than "let's give this talented kid a chance people will lover her for her voice"

[@NeonReactionsPierre]

@@Megan-bw5zh ok you have a point there, but nevertheless it is extremely exaggerated because you could literally take at least 50% of the whole industry and just dump it. The thing I find so weird though is the same people who like watching those survival shows with all the minors competing complain about them debuting in the end... The only group that debuted without at least one minor was Kiss of Life. Haneul just turned 18 a month before debut. Its difficult but I do get your point. In the end it also depends on how the girls are showcased in the final group and their first few album themes and concepts... Le Sserafim's Eunchae is protected a lot concerning outfits and choreo movements and so... she is turning 17 in two weeks and is hosting shows and everything.... and she is part of one of the biggest 4th gen groups out there - nobody said much about her when she debuted a month before turning 16. So it also depends on the concepts they are put in ... and yes I agree some companies are not really good at that.

[@vashthafellomen816]

And no one still cares when it matters. The biggest selling girl groups have minors. The issue with Class:y isn’t the minors. People were giving them a chance when they debuted. They were just poorly marketed. Even now they perform at military bases. Who the hell is your market? And the long hiatus is a killer. I agree they would have been better off splitting their promotions into four comebacks so they can stay in the public eye.

[@NeonReactionsPierre]

@@vashthafellomen816 very true... the hiatus and the lack of planning of shows is terrible and I really feel sorry for the girls. In the end it seemed like they were there to make money with the show and the first releases and to be dropped after the first money grab....

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, the whole minor issues discussion sounds really loud because everyone is opinionated and understands the ethical issues of debuting them this young; however like I said in the video; the actual amount of people that back up there opinions with their actions is pretty minimal. It's really a lot of selective outrage.

[@eddaysnoida3808]

I honestly wouldn't necessarily include GOT The Beat because its made up of already popular idols who've already had some sort of success but that's just my opinion.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I included them just because Step back was so impactful as a debut song and the whole idea of a sub unit of SM artist; I mean that era did take a good chunk of the attention from listeners

[@Yummyyumiix]

I think their using Boeun’s solo for clout because they changed the name from Boeun to Classy which is very weird. And it’s not even a full song while Fantasy boys got a full one. It’s just really weird.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea that video was all kinds of confusing. It's a theme song for a cosmetic brand that she is repping but has Class:y as the title and then the video is just basically the BTS of the photoshoot?? Like literally throwing scraps together

[@bastetowl3258]

the crazy diets kpop companies enforce are def one of the biggest reasons for minors not to debut when they’re still growing and developing. we’ve heard so many stories of female idols rummaging through trash or sneaking in food into the dorms because they were so hungry. plus when you’re that young you can’t really enforce boundaries or stand up for yourself. their manager is probably like a parental figure to them but i doubt these companies have child psychologists that are working to support these kids. maybe their parents are present at different schedules or photoshoots but there are so many opportunities unfortunately of these kids to be exploited by company staff or other grown adults they work with. these kids are also missing out on sleep which is important for growing.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh for sure, the topic of minors in kpop have so much issues as to why they shouldn't debut. However, it's been a consistent practice for such a long time and with the newer groups debuting; it's not really valued enough for that much change to be happening in the industry. Class:y's survival show did have a psychologist on the show but that kinda stopped after their debut. Also their like in a slightly long hiatus which is kinda both good but also unfortunate for them

[@panoramaizone]

One of my picks was Jiwoo (the girl that looks like Sieun of Stayc in my mind HAHAHA) i wanna see her as an idol :(

[@cloudchungxiao]

Are you talking about Triple S's Jiwoo?

[@panoramaizone]

@@cloudchungxiao YESS I DIDN'T NOTICED THAT SHE WAS IN TRIPLE S I'M SO HAPPY NOW

[@cloudchungxiao]

Hahaha okay sweet. I was wondering why you didn't mention TripleS considering she was the only Jiwoo that I remembered. But yea, sounds like you gonna look more into TripleS now?

[@chrispycore]

im worried that their company is gonna keep these girls from getting a high school education, they need to go back to class:y

[@cloudchungxiao]

Wait what? The company is preventing them from getting an education?

[@emma-hx5wo]

@@cloudchungxiaoI believe the girls are going to school , riwon and jimin are in school and there’s rumours that seonyu and boeun will enter Hanlim next year

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh that's what I assumed. Like even if they get minimal activies as Class:y, surely they have obligations to continue education as a mandatory.

[@EVHYNA]

UPDATE!!! CLASS:Y JUST ANOUNCED THEIR COMEBACK TODAY !! (like 40 min ago) LETS LOOK FORWARD TO IT!!!

[@cloudchungxiao]

I'm so excited. It's really been a while. I really can't tell which route Classy might go (1. The hiatus impacted them heavily so there will be a decrease in attention and thus decreased impact of the era causing another hiatus / road to disbandment OR 2. The hiatus impacted them but small enough where they still do well and then the company learns and goes back to doing atleast the bare minimum of consistency in comebacks.)

[@eggegg8181]

I’m so glad my fav contestant from this show Kim Inhye didn’t end up debuting. Her talents would’ve been wasted being under such a shitty company

[@cloudchungxiao]

Omg, Inhye was so good. I was lowkey excited when I heard she was potentially debuting with Yoon Jia but they are just only friends. I wonder what she's up to though

[@jayrossxo]

The minor argument is redundant because they've been doing this since the 1st generation of k-pop... it's not a new issue. New Jeans already got backlash yet they're still popular... that says more about the consumers than it does about the company since the consumers are supporting these groups. Is it right? No, I understand how debuting children can be extremely harmful for them and I personally don't agree but, let's be real its been happening & its not going to stop until the consumers no longer support it as a whole. This group lacks promotions, a distinct identity and proper management imo that's their biggest issue. They are talented - but so are many other groups. They need a different concept and direction to stand out but, it seems like their company isn't putting much effort into them which sucks for the girls.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, that's why that last bit regarding actual amount of proper boycotts is not that high. It was just a point of consideration that is talked about regarding Class:y despite the hypocrisy of kpop fandom culture

[@anngleeson4736]

They just don't seem to have found a style yet Boeun is in this group shes a Star but not in the stupid concepts they are doing. Honestly they need a new songwritter and a new choreographer

[@minsurey]

No sean hipócritas, todos los que mencionan a yooyeon podrán tener razón pero si la chica hubiera debutado en Class:y el manejo hubiera sido el mismo y por el hate la habrían acusado a ella de aruinar el grupo al ser elegida por "bonita" y no por "talentosa" , asi como estan criticando a Wonhee por quedar en la alineación de I'LLIT que porque según fue elegida por "bonita" pero que le falta talento, de "flop" no las bajan y eso que no han debutado, asi que por favor dejen la hipocresía

[@cloudchungxiao]

No estoy seguro de la situación de Wonhee, pero no sabemos de Yooyeon si estaba en Class:y. La diferencia de 8 meses desde que terminó My Teenage Girl y su debut en TripleS fue exponencial. Además, no sabemos cuánta más atención y fanáticos podría haber atraído y retenido para que la compañía tal vez hiciera más. Lo siento si esto no suena bien. Estoy usando el traductor de google.

[@jiusomnia_]

Wtf I didn't know they're under the sub company MBK 💀 The irony was that Seunghee used to be in MBK, she should of have known MBK would do such a thing, as a CEO it's her responsibility to protect the members why isn't she doing anything to protect them? She saw how mistreated DIA (her ex-group) was & how her sister's group (T-ARA) got shaded out they suffered so much due to that Ryu Liar lol Then comes to the minor part I agree, in fact most of the reasoning is valid but there's one thing. But do note that we know that, Yooyeon's performance wasn't very good through out the whole survival show but her downfall only came after especially on her final battle with Jiwoo. I think that was the point that audiences decided to take a second though with it, also do note that debut team did not win the extra 50000 benefit votes. Even though she have a strong fanbase but if she's in, she'll be like the 2nd Chaeyeon in DIA I think they're all talent, this is a good pick up but I feel that there's too many minors. They should set it like Grade 3,4 with 2 members each while Grade 1,2 gets 1 member due to their age but ngl Grade 1 did have many talents as we can see through the show. So yeah this group is definitely wasting talent if they're under MBK I would certainly want them to debut Mihee, Youngchae over Riwon, Seonyul. I understand they have talent but like what u said, too many minors refrain from ppl except in the show to support/stan them making them very limited to target public audiences

[@cloudchungxiao]

My theory about Seunghee is that she may have gotten disillusioned from the industry and jealousy from Class:y getting more attention. The Yooyeon could be true tbh. Just kinda shocked considering visuals are a big thing in Korea so I thought they would bring her in the line up regardless but maybe it was a bit more disastrous than they anticipated. Usually the story goes they show some signs of improvement, no matter how little, to justify them being added

[@soshinae]

The company has ruined their talent. They are full of talented girls!

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I wanna know how separate M25 is from Pocketdol to see whose really messing them up.

[@Haneuloverr]

Are they a 7 year contract survival show gg?

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, one of the few survival show groups that have a standard contract length.

[@vashthafellomen816]

I think the biggest problem with Class:y aside from the one year hiatus is their style. They have four young members but their music, while good, seems dated. They need to be more creative and try to reach younger fans.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Do you have any suggestions? When you say younger fans, I instantly think of teen crush for some reason but I feel like their music is pretty decent. Not sure if it's distinguishable to feel like only Class:y could do this but it defs would attract the general public.

[@TomsMusicCorner]

@@cloudchungxiaoIf you ask me I would say they should try something like STAYC (ofc without copying them).

[@vashthafellomen816]

@@cloudchungxiao I like their music. Zealous and TTB was good but their styling seems off for a group with four younger members. I do think songs that fit a more youthful energy like that of NewJeans and StayC would be great. They also need to find their identity. When you hear their music you should know that’s CLASS:y. They don’t have a signature sound or style. The gap in age between the older and younger girls could be a hinderance to that. Idk.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh the minute you said StayC; that sounded like a vibe. I could see that for sure; but yea, defs need to find their sound and make it their own

[@May-95121]

they perform at military camps. interesting choice for children.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Did a quick search and I can't find anything about this.

[@May-95121]

The video CLASS:y "Tick Tick Boom" / 국방TV 위문열차-육군 군수사령부-2023년08월05일(토)방송분 is another time@@cloudchungxiao

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh thanks, that's really weird

[@hjyguyful]

Having unpopular members is a huge burden to the team. Its not that Classy being too young is the problem. It is having unappealing members. Each member has to contribute, either by looks or skillset or charisma.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ooohh, unpopular members? Considering they are a survival show group; idk if they would have unpopular members since the public were voting for them. Certain members might not be as known compared to others but idk if they're unpopular. Could you elaborate in what sense you mean by that.

[@dmitrykim3096]

MNET and JYP are the only companies with successful survival shows it seems and even MNET is experiencing problems without being able to rig the group. Kepler is fine but the group is boring and the songs are not that good

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea Class:y came from MBC which I would say has more of a domestic audience that follows programs like that. Their survival show could kinda be one that gets overlooked kinda like another MC survival show called Extreme Debut Wild Idol which formed Tan and had contestants like Gunwook from ZB1

[@kayliawilson8842]

Jyp survival shows i’d say is more structured and well planned out. I think that’s y they are successful aside from being a Big 3 company

[@minhtuannguyen3300]

2024 and they still haven't got a Korean comeback

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, what is happening? I recently got recommended to an "MV" for Classy only to be jebaited by it being a commercial mv that they did for Boeun.

[@tracybannerman5666]

People, let's be real, did you want to see Yooyeon debut, she improved but not enough to debut, she was just the pretty privilege. The age was the factor that made me drop off, i loved the freshmen though

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think Yooyeon had that Hyewon skill level if she were to debut. Like just wasn't there but based on her time in TripleS, Yooyeon would have had a Minju arc if that makes sense.

[@ber245]

mtg was great. but the group that debuted was like whew my faves dodged

[@cloudchungxiao]

Because of the hiatus or even the direction of Class:y's music too?

[@tzuxluvq]

So sad they flopped their comeback

[@alexia3552]

Okay so I wrote a novel but the problems: Child labor. Being vulnerable minors who are even more at risk of being sexually abused than even adults in this industry are, and already too many adults have been raped or serially exploited sexually in the entertainment industry. Their entire job is about selling their beauty and their sex appeal. They're CHILDREN. Every adult around them will treat them as a child, except for when they're put on stage, told to seduce the audience, and dressed in short, tight-fitting, belly-exposing, low-cut clothes that would get them put in detention if they wore it to school. The lyrics in kpop are always about dating or romance and often have lyrics with double entendre (the tick tick boom lyrics, for example). Minors are not romantically available, they don't need to be put out there with that image for every adult in the audience to fantasize about. The very name of the survival show was "My Teenage Girl." How much clearer can they get that this is a fetish about the appeal of undeveloped young teens/children/minors? Why does society need to have children held up as beauty icons? How much of this show is funded by 45-yerar-old men who fantasize about these 14-year-olds? Having this normalized to society as "of course 13, 14, 15 year olds are beauty (sex) icons, they're romantically available, they're beautiful, look at their exposed bodies, look at them giving sensual expressions to the camera" is so incredibly unhealthy. How many predators out there are emboldened to actually groom minors around them because of this being out there?

[@cloudchungxiao]

Defs all valid points for sure but just a few things. I think there are defs instances of sexualisation but sometimes the pessimism/disillusioned lenses that we see regarding kpop influences the nitpicking of every little matter within kpop. Some of it warrants outrage, whereas some of it feels like it's just been blown out of proportion. But yea, I think people do kinda equate minor idols and think it's bad but don't contexualise it well like this so glad to see someone actually doing that.

[@MIRAI-dt8rs]

I want to say that those minors are not like 17, which they are young but a little grown up. THEY WERE 13. THEY LOOK LIKE LITERL CHILD HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO STAN CHILD

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, one of the few reason why people couldn't get on board with Class:y but they were slowly growing an international fanbase with still majority of their listeners being domestic I think

[@anngleeson4736]

Its the same problem Meovv has all the talent no amazing concept or song at least their cheography is good.

[@vashthafellomen816]

The issue with minors has only been an issue recently. We have had minors in kpop since 2nd gen. And let’s be real. Minors are only an issue when talking about “other” groups. The top groups, Lesserafim, NewJeans and IVE all have minors. And soon Baemon and Illit. People just talk out the side of their necks.

[@cloudchungxiao]

All of them have had the minor discussion; not sure about Le Sserafim though. But yea just because it's always kinda existed; doesn't make it right. There is a difference between legality and ethicality, so it is subjective in how people perceive this and the extent of how they would go about "taking" in the information.

[@vashthafellomen816]

@@cloudchungxiao Then protest child actors musicians and athletes around the world. This is so common that it’s odd that people are actually acting like it’s uncommon.

[@cloudchungxiao]

I think we have to consider a wide variety of factors with child "careers." All kinda got their own issues, but there are still differences to them in different ways; like the amount of attention that might be drawn to them from a audience perspective, the level of respect the career gets given, even the laws and rules they might have in place. Yea, it might be uncommon in a sense, but it's also not the norm with mostly adults dominating the industries of most

[@mop4yy]

whos class:y

[@cloudchungxiao]

Start with their survival program My Teenage Girl

[@mavenism]

i hate mbk

[@cloudchungxiao]

I could fathom anyone being a company stan of MBK tbh

[@mavenism]

@cloudchungxiao true, i think people only know them for dia anyway

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, DIA stans are real separate fandom from MBK stans. And anyone who becomes a MBK stan from DIA transition to being only a DIA stan

[@mavenism]

@cloudchungxiao true, and mbk really didn't have anyone else anyway (shannon, coed school and tara all left)

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, they really suck at managing anything

[@Ahmed_is_the_revolution]

Tbh I only love classy for seyonyo

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ever since MTG or did you discover her from The Second World?

[@Ahmed_is_the_revolution]

@@cloudchungxiao tbh I saw her performance of lion and I instantly fell in love ❣️ she is so talented

[@itsmikhail4056]

For a rigged lineup this is probably one of the least cohesive ones I've seen, the two older members look very out of place and I feel bad for them. The real winners of MTG were the ones who got exposure from this show, but didn't get in the final lineup.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Rigged?? Don't think I heard about it being rigged?

[@Lyvisan]

​@@cloudchungxiao some people think it is rigged because Riwon is the only one who benefited from the benefit of final. And it would have done nothing for the other group to get it. So she is called Rigwon by stupid haters. Which is stupid since she was very popular anyway.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Ohh that's the rigging that is being referred to as "rigged lineup"? I mean there is a bit of inherent rigging in the form of how they present survival shows so if that's considered rigging then all survival shows are inherently rigged whether direct or not. I wouldn't say I'm a Riwon stan or even rooted for her during the survival but I do remember that she was in notable performances that could explain why she made the line up so I wasn't necessarily surprised by her.

[@x_tingting]

Idk why nobody is commenting on WHY they are always uploading those random shorts!!! It pisses me to no end cos idk what’s the point behind it. If they wanna make content they shld put good content… but srsly M25 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@cloudchungxiao]

It's less than the bare minimum but atleast their doing something. But yea, they really need to transition to more better content. Can't tell if they're trying to accomodate for the potential virality and popularity of short-form content considering the smaller attention span people are having.

[@light_bit]

Well, about the short. Seems like nobody support them or maybe approve any vlog that they made. Because, like they always talked about "we doing this challenge and we will upload it". They even can make like short fmv which this a sign that they record a lot about everything that they did. The latest fmv that they make was for Jimin birthday. They also pretty active on weverse like. The first day they end up on the app. My notif was full because they basiclly reply everybody on the day. They even also want to do the cover that c:likey ask. But, idk if it end up on KZbin. Because, once again. If the company not approve it. So, we don't get any content from them. Like they also talked alot about want to upload something like Vocal cover but end up never happened and they just doing it on weverse live. Especially now seunghee basiclly doing anything but manage them right. Like, she braging about she tired for managing group. But what ? We got nothing here.

[@sarah2604sm]

People complain about the minors in classy so much but this energy is nowhere to be found nowadays with new jeans, Lesserafim, ive, baby monsters. So why only classy?

[@mylovechoerry2233]

What??? Half of the discussion about Newjeans and babymonster on the internet are people complaining about their age. In what planet are you living in?

[@stanbtsforaclearskin]

Girl all of those groups, specially New Jeans and Baby Monsters were heavily critized by that what the hell do u mean? and in this case we are talking about 4 of 7 members being less than 16, while Le Sserafim, NMIXX and IVE had/have minors they were atleast 1 or two at best, and they were mostly +17. For example in NMIXX Bae and Sullyoon debuted with 17 but turned 18 months later and Jiwoo and Kyujin turned 17 and 16 too. Still problematic ofc but aftee a year of debut, both in Lessera and NMIXX right now there are only 1 minor and it's atleast +17. Even with IVE. Right now with Classy even after more than 1 year we have 4 minor members who are 15 and 16. Do u see the difference? both are bad, but clearly one is worse, same with New Jeans and Baby Monster.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Yea, I feel like the whole minor discussion gets brought up with those four groups. It's just a mixture of company privilege, decent music to offset the fact that their is a minor and some even give leeway if it's only one which I think most have one-ish

[@kimble90126]

Omg

[@cloudchungxiao]

You a fan?

[@KPOP-hf2qz]

Yeaahhh, what was crazy to me is that these girls that were chosen for popularity on the hopes there there plus perform miracles and get better in like a couple of weeks when they knew they didn't have either enough prep time or talent. But every week the judges would be disappointed, like why?? 😅😅 you chose them despite their under development and now you are sad that why are not doing well?? And why are people sad that they didn't make Final Cut?? I think people like to root for people who are doing well, passionate and are underdogs which is why I guess we have the final lineup like that. I think the show should have been 3 and 4th year and maybe 2ns at least. The 10yr age age in group members is crazy to me and I just would have left the babies to train a lil more, let them go to school 😅 what's the rush, they will only get better with time.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Are you talking about the right show? The age gap was seven years which is still a lot but the ten year gap sounds like you are talking about UNIS from universe ticket. Same with the popularity picks, I feel like most of class:y had that one distinct skill each so they weren't all solely based on popularity. Not sure about UNIS because I didn't watch it.

[@annajuly5967]

MBK ent. 🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡

[@cloudchungxiao]

I've started to see them start appearing on things slowly once again and with the winter release; hopefully we see them comeback early 2024.

[@HectorH-M]

At this point, disband the group. No one seems to be interested in them

[@eternal_love7879]

bruh. no one? when they got outside gigs esp japan debut not that long ago lol

[@HectorH-M]

@@eternal_love7879 But still under the radar

[@light_bit]

Well. They pretty impresive for having Japan concert tour, 70k+ album sales, 3 Japan album/single, 300k+ subscribers and one of artist for KPop concert in Brazil for a group that no one be interested to staning them.

[@cloudchungxiao]

Idk if it's to the point where we gotta disband them. I think the company is the major obstacle they gotta hurdle over and they could do pretty decently.

[@Cosmicles]

Classy flop 😢😢😢😢😢

[@cloudchungxiao]

As in Classy is flopping or you don't like them classy flop?