The Problem with Plastic Surgery Analysis Videos

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In this moment in time, my brain is split into 3 parts. One is for weird reality tv shows on TLC, the second is for strange Netflix dating shows, and the last part is reserved for plastic surgery analysis videos. A type of content where plastic surgeons, or people who have had experience getting cosmetic procedures examine and analyze popular celebrities' and influencers' faces. It’s been getting popular on youtube and TikTok and I can’t stop watching - especially when I fall down a tik tok rabbit hole. We live in a time where celebs are the beauty standard and it’s interesting to see what experts think since not everyone discloses the work they got done. I always thought Kpop idols were just born perfect! A few weeks ago a content creator named Lorry Hill made a video about Doja Cat who did not like her video. Here’s my commentary and reaction - The Problem with Plastic Surgery Analysis Videos #edvasian

[@ZER07994]

Saying K-Pop idols look natural is the biggest stan joke I’ve heard and I’m saying this as an Asian.

[@Yikkoofficial]

Omggg THIS. I’ve had kpop Stan’s getting pissed at me for saying Kpop artists gets plastic surgery

[@jungkooks_microwavephobia]

4th gen visuals when they get accused of having ps when their natural kpop face was the only reason they even passed the audition: 👁👄👁

[@jungkooks_microwavephobia]

@@Yikkoofficial Honestly I wouldn’t feel so emotional about it if they were like some middle aged white dudes like twitter people be calling them slurs just because they disrespected their favorite ice cream flavor

[@adk7439]

they get work done but sometimes people's analyses are way over the top. like you can't compare photos of a 16 year old and a 26 year old and be like "OMG THEY DID THEIR WHOLE FACE". my nose looks way smaller now than it did when i was a teen and that's just from natural aging 😂 so people need to chill a bit

[@user-cn3gd7gf7v]

🤔ᴴᴹᴹ agree though some are born with real genetic feature

[@lacenleather000]

Lorry Hill is always so respectful of the celebrities she talks about, and Doja totally came after her looks, which is super low. Those videos are completely necessary for girls growing up in today's climate, where unnatural beauty standards are making them feel like they need to alter their appearances with invasive surgery. If celebrities want to continue to pretend like they haven't got anything done and perpetuate those standards that are actively harming (mostly) girls, then people have every right to dissect their appearances (respectfully, I hope)

[@Music_Lover0612]

But Doja didn't have work done. I luv Lorry Hill's videos but that Doja video was out of line.

[@hellnah3982]

@@Music_Lover0612 Doja could have contacted her about the video. I understand why she was upset, but she called Lorry really mean and unnecessary things.

[@gabriellegay4097]

Yes exactly!!! The super subtle plastic surgery we’re seeing today is so dangerous for young girls because they believe these celebrities who say “it’s just puberty” and they think they’re supposed to look like that and think that they will after puberty!!

[@rnagrump6069]

@@Music_Lover0612 even so, it’s super low to then make rude clap back about her looks, and being hella disrespectful. Like she didn’t have to call her name out because of course her millions of adoring fans are gonna attack her. I understand doja for being frustrated at ppl analyzing about her body and spreading lies. And I also believe her when she says she didn’t get anything done on her body. But she there’s other ways she could’ve handled it a lot better. I’m a big fan of Doja cat but In my eyes, she’s more in the wrong than lorry for her response.

[@davidmiranda4745]

Doja thinks her fans are fu***g stupid

[@GlucoseFructoseSCW]

I totally agree. Knowing that most celebrities have had surgery lessens my body dysmorphia

[@shadowarmy2351]

Im happy you see the truth behind, and im glad your getting more comfortable with your body, even if its baby steps. there huge for you!

[@alolisa113]

honestly, same

[@hyacinthue]

but isnt that still reinforcing your insecurities? by seeking reassurance that these celebs aren't INHERENTLY better than you, you can feel better, but that's not the healthiest coping mechanism. there are people out there who are just naturally gorgeous; would this cause your dysmorphia to spiral out of control altogether?

[@Lily.ard35]

@@hyacinthue yes…💀

[@shadowarmy2351]

@@hyacinthue sadly thats how society works. they need validation from people and the internet.

[@InvisibleRen]

I saw Lorry Hill’s video before the whole drama and she was basically like “After analysis, Doja is a beautiful girl before and after surgery which I believe she got but that’s just my opinion. If I’m right, the surgeon did a great job and just enhanced her natural beauty.” I’m confused by Doja Cat throwing a fit. Uh, isn’t your brand being a talented rapper? You act like you sell fitness programs and a skincare line. 😂

[@kozykenma8004]

Doja mad for someone who sees nothing wrong with plastic surgery 😳

[@leafletanon]

doja convinced me she got surgery by throwing a fit about the whole thing

[@ChocolateMuffin308]

@@kozykenma8004 um, Lorry does the same toxic shit as everyone else, she just sprinkles a bit of 'no judgment tho' on it and y'all eating it up. She makes wild violating claims, presents them as facts and she's not even a fucking doctor. She's the worst in this business but everyone likes her because she feeds them this garbage with a smile.

[@olivia-ce5xr]

@@ChocolateMuffin308 tf... she literally has a 2 minute long disclaimer in every video stating that they are just speculations, not facts. the whole point is to lift the veil of secrecy on plastic surgery and show that most celebrities "natural beauty" (which tricks tons of young impressionable children) is not real. and if you genuinely believe that most celebrities are actually natural, you're living under a rock.

[@NinaNinoMi]

@@ChocolateMuffin308 I've seen a few of her videos and she's always saying that she's not a professional and she could be wrong, I don't see how she presents things as facts. I do think her fans/followers are annoying bc they take everything she says as the gospel truth, plus that woman clearly has had cosmetic surgery herself which is why she tries to be positive about it but people use her videos to bring others down, I think her fans ruin the whole purpose of her videos.

[@inbou4531]

i genuinely get second hand embarrassment from doja’s live. she’s the only celebrity that has reacted this way and it’s probably bc she’s seeking out those types of videos about herself. like girl if your brand is body confidence, then why did are u calling someone a jack skellington b!tch? i don’t even think doja fully watched the video

[@pickledapples]

She did say that she was uncomfortable with comparing photos of her at her lowest tho… being body confident doesn’t mean you can’t be insecure. I’m a lorry fan but I can see how doja doesn’t like her body to be talked about in that manner. Well intentioned or not. Doja was just very out of pocket in the way she handled it

[@inbou4531]

@@pickledapples i do agree she’s allowed to be insecure, everyone is insecure. but it’s not like everyone knows when doja was at her lowest and doja is kind of acting like lorry only picked out those photos because doja was in a bad place- which isn’t the case. she also has to remember that she is a public figure and people are going to speculate about plastic surgery, it’s just a natural thing that comes with being in the spotlight and she should know that. she’s not the only person going through it.

[@EDeeDeeS]

The way she reacted reminded me of a teenager who got caught lying

[@youllbemytourniquet]

Yes, it’s the fact that Lorry has covered so many celebrities yet none of them have attacked her like Doja. A hit dog will holler 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@flymetotheup9904]

But sometimes they lie like comparing Photoshop Magazine photoshoot to their lowest or worst picture.

[@InvisibleRen]

Yes! Lorry Hill is the only creator of this type of content I watch because she’s extremely authentic and yes! her goal is to lift the shame and stigma around surgery and she’s light on unrealistic beauty standards. Her videos aren’t problematic. The language she uses is never judgmental or disparaging. Her disclaimers are also A++++ on the legal scale.

[@gymchaIk]

Lorry was respectful and nice but Doja called her “Jack Skellington” and a “B*tch” like.. wow. Bodyshaming hypocrite.

[@troebeliewoep]

Yes Lorry Hill videos helped me so much figure out what is what and why one would choose to have it done.

[@tiram12]

Lorry is the best. I don't know why am I watching this video?

[@peterjohnstonfl]

Agreed! She is so classy and respectful.

[@arjuscarlet55555]

Exactly

[@devilisindadetails8960]

As a guy who got plastic surgery, I think it is important for People Like Lorry Hill to spark a conversation. If I knew That 90 % of men in Hollywood have had procedure when I was little, that would have for sure put my insecurities way at ease, & way earlier. Doja Cat is Managed by Scooter Braun...(.yes the same guy Taylor Swift is fighting for, for her entire music catalogue. ) Last time Ariana Grande showed up on the Voice looking drastically different, she denied denied denied having anything done...& blamed it on Makeup.. amid of releasing R.E.M. beauty.....so read between the lines people 😊✌🏻💙

[@applecrave1097]

Thank you u-u (virtual hug)

[@mauvemonster000]

plus, doja cat collaborating/working with dolce and gabbana threw me off as a fan of hers.

[@danijackie]

Doja is now managed by Sal. The same manager as The Weeknd. Its been like that for possibly a year or two.

[@devilisindadetails8960]

@@danijackie you are correct, Tony Sal is who manages Doja now. From what I understand...Scooter Braun is responsible for her hit "Say So" era...

[@THISandTHISandTHAT]

Preach! 👆

[@audreysbr]

Lorry is so kind, she doesn't deserve celebrities using their big plataform to send lots of hate, that is so low of doja but anyways...Lorry's video have helped me to realize I dont want all the plastic srugery I thought I needed, I grew up with a lot of insecurities and to see that all the celebrities I compare myself in the past had something done, made me realize I went to a self torture puberty for no reason :/

[@heyyou..]

Then she should stop speaking about celebs ?

[@larada7549]

same here! her videos help so much with insecurities

[@asmrsounds8345]

@@heyyou.. why though? 😂

[@applecrave1097]

@@heyyou.. your argument is tone deaf, celebrities are brought up because they cause a major influence to our population.

[@kathygriffith5164]

How would you like it if someone said you had work done on yourself that you did not have done on yourself.

[@modestferala1488]

The secrecy around plastic surgery in Hollywood is insane. It really does create unrealistic beauty standards, and although incorrect speculations could hurt celebrities but lying about plastic surgery does hurt at least thousands others soo…

[@tami3456]

It's literally nobody's business whether someone has plastic surgery or not sooo...

[@themomotocoryxkenshinsbonnet]

This might be controversial but you don’t think it’s messed up/weird that people with body issues are getting pleasure/comfort out of the fact that “people aren’t as attractive as they thought” from these body analysis videos? It’s just deriving pleasure from the insecurities of others. And it’s kind of sick. That also doesn’t give people the right to be weird and make assumptions about others bodies. It’s disrespectful and weird. It’s a psychological problem that should be addressed by professional help, not some random on the internet with assumptions that help feed the insecure. But I completely understand what you’re saying. And I hope you’re open enough to understand me too.

[@notcomfortable_here]

@@themomotocoryxkenshinsbonnet “getting pleasure” bro you are so dramatic. 😂

[@themomotocoryxkenshinsbonnet]

@@notcomfortable_here I’m really not, it’s the same thing as getting comfort. But ok, the girls that get it, get it. And the ones that don’t, don’t. You’re clearly the one that doesn’t

[@tdelioncourt1268]

​@@themomotocoryxkenshinsbonnet ? I think you're missing the point, this is not to say "ah! this person is ugly! nah!" it's just a reality check. Most of the celebrities prey on people's insecurities, they are brands' billboards. They have lippos and sell weghtloss programs, vitamines. Want a refreshed look? buy my cream that made my dark circles and wrinkles go after I got botox, my lipstick that made my lips pop, my shampoo that made my extentions fabulous, etc etc etc. I think these videos are needed, a reminder that if these looks are achievable, it is not by what is being sold to you. Also I watched some of Lorry Hill's video and she's also talking about the pressure amongst celebrities to achieve a certain look, to access some roles/contracts. Explaining the reason why people we see all the time may change drastically their looks.

[@krakenemoji]

I personally would never demand or expect from anyone (yes, celebs included), to talk about their plastic surgery. For me, it‘s only getting problematic if you actively lie about and tell people you’re natural (and financially profiting of the lie by promoting scams).

[@finnrogue9435]

The fact that a lot of them lie, knowing kids are looking up on them, sick and twisted

[@xixiesta7306]

the kardashians for example🙅🙅.

[@krakenemoji]

@@xixiesta7306 They‘ve literally build their whole empire on scams, it‘s insane.

[@tami3456]

What scams? Lol. If they lie about it then you should take a hint and move on from it cuz otherwise you're just living rent free in their heads. It's safe to assume they've all had something done so there's no point in getting butthurt if they're being dishonest. They're not obligated to be honest 🙄

[@krakenemoji]

@@tami3456 It‘s honestly embarrassing how you desperately want to defend people, who don‘t even know your existing. And they did tons of scams, especially in their beginnings.

[@bangel7014]

I respect doja as an artist. As a person? That was disgusting. It’s HILARIOUS to me how Doja TRIED to use procedures as an insult towards Lorry by pointing them out as if Lorry hadn’t already told us every detail about what she’s done. News flash, ur making urself look worse, and ur ego is crazy.

[@MichelleOfoegbu]

Yeahhh Watched a tiktok where Thais cleaner cleaned Dojas house and all the time she streamed all her songs; and there are times where she replies to videos made about her. So yeah it’s an ego issue 🙃

[@nanya5675]

You can't tell someone how to react to something that offended them. Getting accused of doing surgery can be hurtful and if I remember, she apologized at the end of the live.

[@majlordag1889]

I find Doja very talented but as a person she seems immature 👎

[@quackitytheasker9977]

@@majlordag1889 yeah and the selective kindness....i-

[@skrittle555]

@@nanya5675 bro in any other career field she would be fired. c'mon now... this is her JOB. it was tacky. it was rude. and it was unprofessional. you talk like that to your friends, not on social media for millions. bet 100% that hundreds if not thousands of young people went and sent hate to lorry as a result. not a good look. not a good example.

[@gandalfthegray6895]

I really don’t care if a celebrity has had surgery, and they don’t need to talk about it. I just hate it when they go out of their way to lie and call it “natural”

[@URMom_AnDreWtAte-WhAtColOUR]

100 percent agree

[@thisisme2681]

Yes!

[@bucketonfoot]

I love Doja’s music but she was obviously wrong in the live stream, she not only put down another woman for her looks, but also sent people to go attack her. She could have just said “I don’t have plastic surgery”, and moved on. Also she’s a rapper not a “body positivity” influencer so I have no clue why she would say that’s her brand (especially after body shaming) She’s known and people love her for her music. Yes some people might be inspired by her but it’s not her “brand”. Not to mention if she thinks plastic surgery is okay then why would she feel the need to get so upset??? Like it’s some horrible thing that has ruined peoples careers??? Plenty of people have admitted to having plastic surgery and it hasn’t ruined their careers. She was definitely extremely drunk and extremely emotional and it was EXTREMELY irresponsible to go on live like that. Like I said I loved her music but she can be very arrogant

[@xuanzhencat]

Besides, if her body is her brand product, shouldn’t we be able to comment on the product? If she makes money off of it, shouldn’t the payers leave reviews? Just saying.

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

Dojas body is part of her brand. She raps about her curvaceous figure.

[@cammyr12Productions]

Shes so problematic

[@Kalidreamine]

I actually liked Doja a lot before but after this class act, I can say that I’ll be less of a fan. I wish she could have handled it with more grace because I was a fan and I was disillusioned, I guess. I know how it feels to be insecure about your body and how it feels to be scrutinized for your looks but lashing out publicly and name-calling someone as well as insulting them for their own looks…. that’s just too far.

[@pse6775]

I will continue to like her music and I will continue to watch Lorry's videos too. But I would admit that it does shocked me a bit to see her putting down people so harshly.

[@Claire-td1ng]

I feel like it can be problematic if celebs lie about those kind of things because more often than not, they always end up doing ads for some random products, claiming they're gorgeous because of it. Diet products, makeup, skincare, teeth whitening, etc. We all know it's not true, and that they're not skinny because of this diet product. They had help from personal trainers, dieteticians, and maybe even surgery to remove the excess skin. But some people might not realize it, and can be easily influenced into spending money, and stressing over trying to look as perfect as their favorite celebrity, without realizing that they can never look this perfect without some extra help. Of course, they can keep their surgery to themselves, but lying about it really isn't that great.

[@glitteryfaery5002]

that's where the real problem is imo, otherwise i think speculating about someone's looks is weird if they have never tried selling people something to achieve said look, we're not entitled to know every detail about their life, even if them looking "perfect" might affect our self esteem we can't forget how cruel the industry they're in is, especially towards women, they're not allowed to age, they get every detail of their bodies hyper analyzed, any unflattering picture is plastered on the cover of a tabloid, there's a reason why so many of them get surgery and stay quiet about it

[@NoctLightCloud]

agree 10000%!!!

[@akaneakane1969]

You've totally just said my opinion for me, thank you

[@StrawberryJelly96]

I remember Bella Thorne did a skincare video where she used some bullshit homemade scrub like it made her skin flawless and then threw in the “oh and I get micro needling regularly” lol. I think it’s important for people to know that money buys beauty

[@kecym.4808]

true

[@theartofchristophermalherbe]

If Doja actually watched the video she'd notice that Lorry says multiple time that this is just her opinion. Lorry does it in a kind way and even talks about her surgeries. Doja was wrong here.

[@zoeymathis]

If someone were to share online to hundreds of thousands of people deconstructing and analyzing your body it might send you into a similar place of hurt and rage that I’m sure Doja was feeling.

[@rafaelagoncalves8825]

@@zoeymathis that doesn't justify doja being disrespectful, calling lorry a "bitch" and "stupid"over and over again when lorry was nothing but nice and polite in her video and it doesn't justify doja body shaming lorry more then once. Yall wanna validate her feelings? Sure, but dont normalize childish behaviour.

[@zoeymathis]

@@rafaelagoncalves8825 nice and polite… if someone is nice and polite while they hurt you, you should just take it with a smile and objective refutation. K.

[@rafaelagoncalves8825]

@@zoeymathis I think (somehow) u missed the point of my comment. Being hurt does not give u the right to be rude and disrespectful. If doja was uncomfortable with the video she could've politely asked lorry to take it down (she has stated multiple times that she has no problem removing a video), instead she went on a childish rant, encouraging her impressionable audience to hate on someone with a smaller audience. Looks like it worked bcs ppl like u are still defending her.

[@zoeymathis]

@@rafaelagoncalves8825 I’m speaking on the principle not really on Doja specifically. Also I’m not seeing people talking about how disrespectful Lorry is either to make the videos even if she “offers” to take them down, doesn’t mean she’s not wrong. Could Doja have handled it differently, probably. But her being villanized here? Yeah no.

[@Wendykrisd]

The biggest cap Ive ever heard of since I joined the kpop world is that YG has a policy of plastic surgery prohibition 💀💀💀💀 I can’t. And stans are so willingly ready to be fooled.

[@Miss_understood]

😂😂😂so ready to be blinded by the image they have crafted for their idols. This made me chuckle 🤭

[@rusher0015]

And it's the YG artists who have had the biggest "glow ups" 😬

[@K_idk]

@@rusher0015all the companies had plastic surgery done so don’t just attached YG

[@LyraReid]

​@@rusher0015 nope SM idols

[@srilakshmi3637]

it sucks that we live in a world that doesn't see through others' perspective. if doja simply cleared out why she looked different and gave lorri respect for the research she did and not come at her that aggressively while being drunk, I'm sure everyone would be happy? the selfishness of people to prefer a win-lose-disturbing situation rather than a nice win-win-peaceful situation is kinda scary lmao. i do get doja's side, she doesn't want people to comment on looks, which is a perfectly valid point, but not in this context. lorri gives a proper disclaimer before every single video, and her intentions are only to increase people's confidence andthis is her own attempt to show how fake the beauty standards are. lorri talks with complete maturity without hurting / meaning to hurt anyone, and those are her assumptions only. lorri gets enough hate and de@th threats already, and this is definitely not going to help. i always liked doja, but this situation has kinda disturbed my image of her.

[@muersy6919]

And doja insulted her looks so its pretty hypocritical of her

[@bulletangel]

Megan Thee seems to be the only unproblematic mature one of the lot

[@deezkacang4713]

fr doja cat has been problematic before and I decided to keep being her fan because it was just a one time thing but now she's on thin ice

[@mauvemonster000]

@@deezkacang4713 one thing that kinda threw off about her is the fact the she collaborated/works with dolce and gabbana.

[@noppiichi]

I liked her but i was so disgusted by doja’s live :( like she could simply say “please do not comment on my looks” and that would be a full sentence Yet she comments on lori’s looks… ugh

[@azialaidimitri5628]

One of the problems lies when celebrities claim their sometimes unrealistic beauty as "natural." They have fans, people who admire them and want to be like them. Setting such high standards, with looks that are only surgically attainable, it's incredibly toxic. Social media is filled with teenagers, and that's a period of time where your mental health is easily affected. Things like this can ingrain that lack of self-confidence, and it seems to be getting progressively worse by the generation. Beauty standards are at the point where you have to put plastic and other chemicals in your body. No matter how beautiful you are, you're always going to be ugly in someone's perspective. But it goes the other way around too, beauty's subjective. Everyone has their own unique set of features, and their own attractive quirks. I don't know how to feel about self-love though, I feel like it's okay for just self-acceptance. I don't love myself, but I'm okay with how I am. I just accept it. Does anyone feel the same way? Thanks for listening to my Ted talk~

I think if social media was the way it is right now when I was a teenager my body dysmorphia would have been awful 😔🤦‍♀️ So sad to see little girls be surrounded by all this insane beauty standard that is almost an obsession in all the medias.....

[@juuustnothing5663]

YES! Im exactly the same i found it difficult to love myself and i still say that love is a big word to use when explaining my relationship with myself. I accept myself now and i feel like I've come from a really long way, it wasnt easy at all. And what you've said before i couldn't have said it any better 👏👏👏

[@corroticks]

Finally! Someone who is ok with themselves, thought I was the only one

[@vedivedi]

Facts!

[@azialaidimitri5628]

@@juuustnothing5663 Thank you, I feel exactly that! A lot of people think it's unhealthy because I don't love myself, but I'm really just alright with how I am. I don't hate myself, I'm just neutral. It takes a lot to get to a state of acceptance, so it's great that you've gotten there! It's perfectly healthy :)

[@KassandraQuiseng]

I lost a lot of respect for Doja Cat after that livestream. Calling Lorry out by name, attacking her face and body, just insulting her in general was so nasty of her. She could have just said “oh people have been talking about how I might have had plastic surgery, but they’re wrong” instead of the rant she went on. It was just wrong. Lorry is also respectful and always adds disclaimers to make sure no one takes it as absolute fact.

[@KhayJayArt]

That's the price ppl like Lorey pay for talking about people's looks

[@oyabun9650]

Yeah doja went too wild.

[@corroticks]

@@KhayJayArt have you watched Lorry's vid??? Srsly

[@fangcandyx3]

same.

[@trina397]

Maybe Lorry is correct and thats why Doja reacted like this?

[@xprrj]

Dr. Youn and Lori Hill are my faves, they give informed opinions and also don't shame celebrities who would do it. Stephanie Lange is also really good for celebrities who use filters and editing on their photos. It's all about having perspective so we don't really sink into the rabbit hole of "they're perfect and I'm not". Also, it's almost impossible that many kpop idols didn't get surgeries, bless their genes if they didn't but also let them be if they did and don't get deffensive with people who say so like if they were cursing at your mom.

[@corilewis]

I love Stephanie Lange’s videos ❤️

[@priciliar.s.simarmata2373]

I don't get why plastic surgery is demonized especially in a world where you have to stand out to be able to shine aka entertainment.

[@raynatumbeva780]

I like Dr Youn. Lorry - not so much. The reason is that Dr Youn is very careful about choosing pictures, while Lorry - not so much. Plus that, somehow, I am more likely to believe a plastic surgeon.

[@mariapaz6379]

i like dr youn and lori too. But i feel like they bring different things to the table. I really like that lori never shames people for their procedures, and i absolutely adore that dr youn gives so much empathy to the patients and his viewers.

[@somoto9917]

I used to watch stephanie lange, but after a while, the way she puts things or “exaggerates” things sometimes and say it’s perfectly normal, I still sensed a judgment in her voice and it just didn’t felt sincere idk (just my opinion tho)

[@SteffOrSomething]

i like analysis vids of celebrities surgeries cuz it has made me realize even them have insecurities and are no different from us, they just have money

[@tami3456]

You do realize you don't need to watch those videos to have enough common sense to figure out that celebrities have just as much insecurities as regular people.

[@SteffOrSomething]

@@tami3456 its not about having common sense, its about comfort and also they're entertaining

[@tami3456]

@@SteffOrSomething well they're not aliens so it shouldn't be baffling that they're human like everyone else on this planet. It's not comforting, it's just a fact so yes it is common sense my dude.

[@krakenemoji]

@@tami3456 Why are you getting so extremely defensive over this topic? Let people have their own opinion.

[@tami3456]

@@krakenemoji I'm not getting defensive, I'm just pointing out that it shouldn't be news to anyone that celebs insecurities like everyone else. Unless you've been living under a rock.

[@HockeyHawk]

I think the worst thing I read in a while back was “this years latest body trend” like we can swap our looks out like buying a shirt that’s in style? Soooo bad. I’m all for surgery, it’s available to all and not just celebrities, you do you, but that headline really stuck with me.

[@NoctLightCloud]

wtf body...trend? I so agree with you!! dude I haven't read that one so far, you better not clicked on that😅

[@derkatzenmensch220]

Available to all? It's expensive as hell only people who earn a lot of money can afford it :/

[@HockeyHawk]

@@NoctLightCloud I didn’t I was like NOPE ✋🏻 lol

[@laurenw.3656]

@@derkatzenmensch220 that’s not necessarily true. It depends on the procedure, who you go to, and the location. Obviously the celebs are getting top notch surgeons and will be at a significantly higher price point. Most places offer some type of credit option, so it can be paid off in monthly installments, etc., often interest free if paid off within a set time period. I mean yeah overall it’s still quite a decent amount of money for people, but I think most average/middle class people could make it work fine if that was their priority as far as finances go.

[@nukacolaK]

Lorry Hills actually did mention about the curvy Kardashian trend.. I too think its a bit extreme to go under the knife to fit a 'trend' and never knew it was a thing until I watched that video. It does make sense tho, body trends do go in and out of fashion. Like the Marilyn Monroe body shifting towards Twiggy as an aesthetic. I guess with plastic surgery becoming more refined and affordable to the masses, some people do treat it as a trend. Wild.

[@ehnnepeacie2698]

I've had plastic surgery because I broke my nose in an accident. Let me tell you, plastic surgery is no picnic. It's stupid expensive and the recovery sucks. It took me about six weeks to recover and my nose was bleeding everyday and I was in a lot of pain. I see some celebrities getting lots of surgeries and I don't know how they can do it so many times. I know I wouldn't be able to go through that again.

[@erossore8500]

I was always so confused about the rhinoplasty thing. Turns out they tend to get closed rhinoplasties with specialists who actively reduce healing time. They can get back to living like normal in a week or two. Which is nuts!

[@ojyochan]

Healing from emergency or corrective surgery is always much more difficult than healing from a planned surgery

[@BubblyViolin11]

It’s stupid expensive for the regular person. When your job is literally reliant on how you look, it’s considered an investment because they spend maybe tens of thousands of dollars (or in extreme cases over 100k), and then make millions in the next movie they’re cast or the next fashion week show. They make that money back in literal weeks.

[@KpopLover1013]

@@BubblyViolin11 you're so right

[@frankifyed.]

@@BubblyViolin11 If it's an investment for their career, do you think they could claim it as a business expense on taxes? Genuine question but also how wild if they could

[@fireaj_]

I think nobody owes any info of themselves to someone else, but if someone with such power and fame starts saying they never had plastic surgery when they look like the epitome of unnatural beauty, thats an issue and a COMPLETELY different conversation to be had. I dont think its bad for these plastic surgeons to make analysis videos, just they need to make sure its respectful to the celebrities themselves; as they are human too. Just remember that there isnt such thing as truly being “honest” online, as there is always something hidden offline that nobody is aware of. And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We dont need to constantly air out our entire life and living thoughts out to the public, thats what PRIVATE business is-

[@Milovely]

I love lorry hill. She always says that „she thinks“ those surgeries might have been done. So it’s not 100% confirmed. Lorry is here to educate us about surgeries and that most celebrities aren’t natural anymore. Which is okay, because there is so much pressure. What Doja cat did is just childish, she just should Accept is because she is a public figure and lorry‘s videos are very respectful and if she is already so tilted that is just another prove.

[@nunyabeezneez7769]

I will never understand why people who get plastic surgery act like they are natural. If I spent money to look good you best believe I would flaunt that shit. I paid all that money for it, so why hide it. so egotistical. I already know celebrities of any kind get work done. It has been like that for decades. I don't need anyone on the internet to tell me who or what people have gotten done cuz I can see it for myself.

[@corroticks]

Which is why PS analysis vids are needed for the general public because not all knows signs of PS because they never had ps or are perceptive enough for it. Geez

[@ShutupandListen]

Right when I get my orthodontic lower jaw surgery and ethnic nose job(to define and narrow the tip of my nose), I’m going to want ppl to ask me what I got done. Same goes for when I lose weight😂

[@cameronschyuder9034]

The reasoning for the lie is that they want others to believe they won the genetic lottery; it's more unattainable that way instead of others pointing out, "oh, you only look that good because you paid for it, you wouldn't 'actually' look like that if you didn't have that kind of money." To be clear, I think that argument is dumb because it shouldn't really matter what looks someone was or was not born with and if they truly want to look a certain way and have the money for it and they aren't hurting someone else (eg getting work done to impersonate someone without consent), then they should feel free to do so. I just don't like it when the lies create an unattainable image standard and people degrade themselves because they don't look like that naturally so therefore they think they are inferior in attractiveness.

[@Lily.ard35]

Bc you guys are shaming them for it…💀

[@ShutupandListen]

@@Lily.ard35 you guys?

[@leafletanon]

wow doja cat really made a fool of herself and for what?

[@audreysbr]

just to give her fans an activity for the day I guess 🤷

[@PettyAndABitch]

Well I mean she was drunk so 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@sienh]

@@PettyAndABitch yeah but even drunk, you still have the autonomy not to insult people and call them names

[@audreysbr]

@@PettyAndABitch the things people do drunk are the same they would do or want to do on a daily basis, they are just too scared or shy to make them sober so they blame the alcohol. like as a life advice haha never believe someone that tries to blame their bad/horrible actions on alcohol, they are just as bad when sober, they just don't want to take the responsibility for the damage they can cause

[@PettyAndABitch]

@@sienh then what kind of drunk people do you hang around and how do I meet them????(this was meant as a joke)

[@kat-bc9id]

what ticked me off the most was Doja going off about being "body shamed" and then going on to insult Lorry‘s appearance? Like??????

[@badbeachishere]

Lorry Hill definitely made a lot of impact to me getting myself comfortable from all the insecurities I feel from all the perfect looking people I see on social media. She's a life saver. Doja disappointed me so much because her pride was hit because maybe she got offended by something true about her getting something done.

[@KiaRoane]

No they are needed. Bc too many people want the benefits of plastic surgery without “the shame” of actually getting it. They want to still be credited for their “natural beauty” and this is the problem. Thanks to social media and influencers, people half the time don’t even see real faces or bodies. They see people with work done using heavy filters or editing, and then look at themselves, thinking their bodies are wrong. So many people are now suffering with body dysmorphia and they don’t even realize their perception of themselves and other bodies has been distorted. So what plastic surgery analysis channels do is break that vail of false perfection projected by celebrities and influencers, to reveal how people are actually changing their bodies. How they are getting access to the beauty they weren’t born with either. If your career consists of you being famous and directly making money off of people’s collective interest in your appearance, you absolutely OWE those same people you make money from the truth. It’s not just your business. The only reason anyone would be against plastic surgery analysis channels, is bc they want to keep that vail of false perfection up between them and their audience. They want to be able to change their features, without baring the criticism attached to wanting to adhere to a more Eurocentric standard of beauty. People don’t want to be faced with the reality that they don’t like how they looked, and so they changed their appearance. Rather than learning to embrace their natural, often times ethnic signifying phenotype… gaining the personal growth that comes with it. They don’t want to look like they have taken “the short cut”. They also don’t want reconcile with having the privilege to spend large amounts of money on plastic surgery. Bc it’s absolutely a privilege. Overall, the argument here is: I want your compliments and not your questions or criticism.

[@b3rdlala]

This was perfect 👏🏿👏🏿

[@algo98algo]

This this this this and this a million times. 👆

[@Laura-ls5pf]

That’s true I’ve had plastic surgery in my face and body and even if the results are good, is not easy to get it. It is expensive, it is painful and many complications can go after it. Is not an easy thing and is so obvious, denying it is just dumb I’m proud I get my plastic surgery because it’s very hard 🤣 I’m like yes I have my body done and I love it ! Fine if you don’t want it you save money !

[@farron2551]

go off honestly !!!! this is why it always doesnt sit well w me when ppl will jump to defend these celebrities who will outright lie to them to preserve their "brand" :/ im so tired of our society trying to normalize invasive surgeries to make people look like ageless dolls, but i also understand why people do it because unfortunately beauty is a privilege... it's not a black and white situation but i loathe these celebrities for upholding these toxic beliefs and acting like its the publics fault for being critical

[@bela4285]

Whenever I find out that an idol had surgery, it never makes me like them less. Tbh knowing how they used to look like makes me feel more confident about my own body, since it's really unhealthy to be constantly comparing yourself to literal unrealistic beauty standards. I just wished that kpop industry could be more transparent about it just because it would create a healthier environment not only for the fans but also the idols.

[@cassmills4509]

it’s sad bc Lorry Hill is an ACTUAL fan of doja cat, so i know the insults hurt her personally

[@RachelSulfur]

While I dont care if a celebrity gets plastic surgery done, i do care when they claim that everything about them is all natural, because it sets unrealistic beauty standards for others.

[@latifafifilatifafifi]

Lorry's channel made me realize im not actually that ugly. Just super broke

[@kittyfries13]

Plastic surgery doesn’t make u pretty keep being delusional 💀

[@sadoand]

Honestly, saying "I had nothing done" when you are a celebrity and you DID, is a really nasty way of lying. The impact on girls and women to look like that is insane. So at the very least have the decency to be transparent about it. When I starved myself I still had a lot of cellulite, and the only reason I still had boobs when I was under weight and training hard was the fact that they are silicone.

[@NecrozmaJade]

Her videos make me feel better about my own face and body. They're a reminder that beauty is artificial and the only thing separating us and them is money. Celebs mad about it can cry out of their perfect faces from within in their beautiful mansions. Them being self-conscious about work they've had done, and trying to hide it, just contributes to the stigma around the thing they are doing. Classic wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

[@DsCompilations]

Preach!

[@mariachi3217]

Self conscious? Not entirely some would react as it’s kinda slander esp if it’s opinion, like would you speculate on a celebs body, even if it’s your friend or someone or something you hold dear, how would they feel? And your speculation is wrong, how do you feel?

[@jessy40]

This comment may seem okay to you, but darling something is definitely wrong, you getting validation from a you tube channel to feel good about your face and body is just wrong. What then happen when you see a person who got no plastic surgery done, looking so good, will you then wait for another video where someone assures you that the person has gotten something done. You're a 10 cause you say so, not cause other people say so, period.

[@lindavel43]

@@jessy40 True…because many people are naturally gorgeous. And nowadays natural gorgeous people are accused of PS…my niece is gorgeous. She looks like an instagram model. But she is natural. Her mom was just as gorgeous in her days. But ppl would think she got a BBL because she’s thin but has a booty. Or got lip fillers because she has plump lips. But she hasn’t…I’ve seen her grow up. We shouldn’t rely on these videos or other ppl to make us feel better.

[@egg_bun_]

💯💯💯💯

[@z_bennet4208]

What Lorry does is SO IMPORTANT. Im 20 years old and if i knew my idols had job done in my childhood/teenage years my insecurities and eds would be a lot MORE less. I never realized they even exist. Most of the celebrities dont get that glow up naturally and here we all spent our youth on hating on ourselves for not living up yo the false reality theyve created…

[@muas77]

This isn't celebrities fault, this is something your parents should've helped you with. You can not put people above yourself, you are the most important person in your life. Comparing and contrasting your body to others will not help you like you think it will because what happens when there are people that actually look like celebrities naturally then what. Plus you would not want people judging your body the way they do celebrities, it's wrong. Try putting yourself in their shoes having to deal with constant people judging them for their benefit. Just because they are a celebrity doesn't mean they don't have feelings and the right to be hurt and upset.

[@wisteriafleur3522]

Yes. But then again, not everyone has good parents. Sometimes a person's self loathing is rooted from their parent's upbringing. Though I do fully agree on your statement about how parents should help their children with these kind of things (because it's their job and responsibility), it's just that some parents don't deserve to be parents at all.

[@naimamorgan6209]

Doja was so cringey and immature and embarrassing. The lady protests too much. All she had to do was just vent to her "friends" in real life not her friends through the web.

[@chaeyoungsstrawberryfarm3327]

I’m very grateful for these videos. They’ve made me realize both how dangerous plastic surgery is, but also how many people get it so I shouldn’t feel bad about not looking like them after a “how to get a bigger butt in a week” workout tutorial:)

[@vedivedi]

Love Dr. Youn & Lorry Hill! Both are very respectful and never make it seem like celebrities who have undergone plastic surgery are horrible etc. They are just honest about the (potential) procedures they might have had. Dr. Youn also educates his audience and he doesn't push plastic surgery upon viewers, even though he is a surgeon.

[@annawinter1174]

I have a huge problem with this whole "surgery is empowering" thing. Is it though? Thats so laughable for me

[@brianna4657]

Same! It's not empowering at all, but I guess they say that because that wat they can be more accepted by society for being "beautiful" and fulfilling beauty standards. And then the young generations thinks that's natural so the cycle continues.

[@kyliessave8454]

It's not so empowering as it is "normalizing". For me, I feel better knowing that these celebs got work done to look the way they look, and yeah, they look great, but it reminds myself that I look completely normal that way I am now. And I have an option to get work done if I want to.

[@hobisupremacy9565]

Surgery is not empowering but for too many people's appearance make their lives harder to live, surgery means have a day to day easier to cope with . Not being in the beauty standard doesn't make u are ugly. There is too many people that don't "fit" the "beauty standard" but nobody call them ugly. In other way there is people that have been called like that in too many ways making insecurities or even disorders in them, in those situations plastic surgery a "salvation" a way to have a better and easy life. So I don't think is laughable (too many times is the only or the beat alternative for a better life)

[@alexyssaubrie1606]

I don’t think it’s empowering. My mom got her boobs done and in the beginning it was a really hard adjustment. It didn’t make her life easier at all. Any one who treats someone worse cause of how they look isn’t someone I’d want in my life. I don’t buy the whole “I’m doing it for myself” thing. If someone was alone in the woods with no internet and didn’t know the current body trends, they would have no reason to hate any of their features. No one’s gonna be like “omg I hope that bird doesn’t think I have a big nose”

[@Laura-ls5pf]

Plastic surgery is not empowering but it really helped me and I loved the work I have done :)💓

[@ivanaa19]

lmao it's the fact doja thought she ATE while literally bullying innocent woman who did nothing wrong😭😭

[@cotarddelusion876]

Problems arise when celebrities sell products as a kind of "anti aging fix all" when it's likely they are already on the 3rd facelift and have free access to expensive laser treatments and other things. Jlo is the worst for this, with her product line and "its because OLIVE OIL" nonsense that I think crosses the line on whether celebs should disclose or not. Kylie jenner did bring out her own lip-plumping-products but she did disclose that she has fillers so that's all good! I also think lorry Hills content is all good, super respectful and literally is the best approach to this subject that I've seen. It genuinely helps people with their body insecurities and that's super powerful. I get tweeks done here and there, and I just find it crazy the stigma around surgery still. Things ought to change.

[@Kalidreamine]

I’m glad I got to watch the video before it got taken down. Seriously, I do think Lorry Hill does it all tastefully. She’s used to this hate train…. I admire her persistence and perseverance in doing what she’s passionate about and educating people.

[@9786oof]

Lorry’s channel has made me change my mind about getting a nose job because it seems like it never goes right the first time. Everyone needs at least one revision afterwards even when they’re using expensive doctors. I wish it wasn’t crooked but I dont want to suffer or risk it getting fucked up.

[@chloewiill]

you could literally start a war if you say someone’s kpop bias got any type of surgery done 😭🤚🏻

[@cozying_up]

But some of them are quite obvious. Jessification of Solar was a very sad sight.

[@gurleen7041]

i think it’s problematic in a sense it targets people who may not have gotten anything done. especially with young stars being on the rise, many of these kids just grow into their features and features change. since i’ve been in middle school to now, my lips have gotten bigger and my eyes bigger - many would say i’d gotten plastic surgery but i never have. these videos are weird bc it’s not even like the celebrity can necessarily say anything to defend themselves either.

[@divine6867]

right?

[@MyraMabry]

I can’t believe Bella hadid really just said the only plastic surgery she has is a nose job. 😒 Does anyone believe that? I’d be so upset if Ariana grande says she doesn’t have plastic surgery next Especially because some people always believe celebrities and it’s harmful to so many peoples’ self esteem. Celebrities should just be honest about their extreme privilege and access to the best beauty enhancing products. This includes: plastic surgery, personal trainer, home gym, nutritionists, high end makeup, luxury fashion, skin care products, hairstylists, manicure/pedicure, weight-loss drugs, high-quality food, makeup artist, high end hair products and etc. Celebrities literally set beauty standards. They play a huge roll in making beauty feel so unattainable for the regular person. Being honest about how they’ve achieved they’re beauty, actually helps a lot of people, particularly feminine people, understand there’s nothing wrong with them. Sure it’s not the most important problem in the world, but overall this would help young girls, and feminine people alike, gain confidence in themselves. And lastly, it could possibly contribute towards less mental health issues, in society in the long run.

[@TheFaro2011]

Lorry Hill is doing a public service. She's had surgery herself and Doja doth protest too much. She's had obvious work done

[@MoomooMaria]

Doja hasn’t though. That’s the thing. She’s inly had one thing done and it’s something she’s been up front about. It’s her teeth. This is what happens with these types of videos. Whether a person did or didn’t have surgery, it’ll forever plant a seed in peoples head that there is room for doubt and lies. That’s not right. And for her to still say no and people like you still claim she’s lying. Come on

[@egg_bun_]

Wait, Lorry Hill has?

[@livelyfinnesse4477]

I actually don’t think it matters if they got work done or not… the real problem is ppl comparing themselves to ppl, celebs, and models so heavily. Whenever I catch myself being insecure I step away from social media and assess things abt myself. It’s called growth…

[@muas77]

Yeah this is the actual problem people putting other people on a pedestal because they wouldn't do this to a random person on the street, friend, or family and they know it. They are very insecure and it's troubling seeing the amount of people saying this judgment is okay. We all know they wouldn't like it if their body was the one being judged.

[@elvacio27]

The irony in the fact that she has a song called 'Woman'...

[@adams8830]

Lorry is AMAZING and I love her analysis. She points out work she thinks people had but keeps it respectful. No shaming language.

[@cille713]

I think the reason why kpop fans are busy trying to stop people from saying their favorite idol might have had plastic surgery is because a lot of people who are against the kpop industry use the stereotype of idols being fake and created by a company to look a certain way to attack idols. so the nuances of why an idol got something done kind of dissappear. kpop idols aren't discussed in the same way that western celebrities are sadly

[@justhere8292]

Idc about k-pop fans. But when people say BTS got a procedure done on their face it pissess me off cuz it's the same face, same nose, eyes and teeth that they got made fun of, been called names for yeaars!!! until recently. EVEN now you'd see k-pop fans and western artist fans who drag BTS for their looks.!! There's a good reason why BTS fans( armys) hate analysis videos of the boys.

[@MissRubiness]

We have this kind of analysis because people do wonder; especially those who deny they got anything done. No matter how cool you want to be about plastic surgery, people wonder.

[@corroticks]

They're celebs, so it's a free for all at this point

[@lm.1221]

Plastic surgery is not inherently bad, many people just assume it is and you can tell by their reaction. The beauty standard is becoming more and more impossible to reach. However, I don't agree with people who talk about others' possible plastic surgery in an attempt to bring the individual down.

[@bloss6277]

Almost all the ppl that react to these celebs know what theyre talking abt and do it respectfully and their motives usually arent to “bring them down” but to show ppl that noone’s perfect and that these celebs’ faces usually aren’t natural despite insisting that they r.

[@corroticks]

Lorry isn't "bringing anyone down", she's destigmatizing PS

[@ancalyme]

Plastic surgeries are just making beauty standards worse though

[@MiSSK2078]

@@ancalyme True. Saying plastic surgery isn't inherently bad doesn't really mean much when plastic surgery can still do harm to ppl lol. The beauty standards r so unrealistic that EVEN beautiful ppl who most would say fit the standard STILL get plastic surgery. What does this tell the average person when even "beautiful" ppl r not beautiful enough? WHY would anyone want to continuously raise the bar?? Plastic surgery can't create confidence but it can cost u an arm and a leg, botch u, make u sick, kill you or simply leave u unsatisfied w/ the results and even more insecure after. Plastic surgery is more normal today but insecurities and mental health issues r not getting better. I read a Norwegian study that found that participants who had cosmetic surgery were acc MORE likely to have poorer mental health after plastic surgery compared to controls (those that didn't have plastic surgery). Whilst there may be some studies supporting plastic surgery in better self-esteem there is just so many issues like bias and methodological problems in them. Additionally, some did not check the long-term effects which were found to change over time. Also, typically ppl may rate for e.g. their new breasts as being more attractive but this confidence did not transfer to other parts of their body. What this means is that they will likely do MORE plastic surgery because there are now new or existing insecurities that they become fixated on changing. But hey let's normalise something that is not acc helpful in the long run unless for medical conditions/accidents ofc. 😃

[@lili-oy1xf]

Lorry's vid wasn't an attempt to bring her down tho...

[@Blue-iv5fv]

i am always torn between the enjoying the information in the "plastic surgeon reacts" types of videos and disliking the fact that they are taking an actual person and discussing their possible insecurities one by one. i do understand that most of those videos are made to lift that stigma around plastic surgery and even the plastic surgeons themselves never really confirm anything but just express their opinions. however, i am not sure if i was put in place of those celebrities and it was my face that was being openly discussed and each of my "flaws" or "insecurities" pointed out... i might not like it. again i know they do it way nicely and never call anyone ugly or any feature a flaw but from the perspective of a person who clearly thought or were made to feel like they needed plastic surgery to look pretty (which a lot of people getting it feel like) this would not feel good.

[@corroticks]

Lorry never said what celebs has which flaws, in fact she points out what natural beauty traits each had

[@muersy6919]

You have a point but she almost only talks of celebs who claim they are natural or " only had a nose job" thats the problem here

[@muas77]

@cloudplum~~ no if their parents did a better job at teaching their children self love and monitoring what they watched, also teaching their kids not to put celebs on pedestals and they are the most important person in their life to take care of these problems wouldn't happen so often. Insecurities come from the people closest to you. I was insecure about my forehead and my pimples because of what people closest to me would say about it. Eventually I had to realize what they were saying was making me feel bad about myself so I stopped talking to and being around them. Yes these are super huge but if my mom wasn't insecure about her forehead too, I'd probably wouldn't have felt that way ever. Edit: I'd meant to say a lot of insecurities come from family. Also you can go to therapy and see where a lot of your problems came from and typically it's not the internet and if it is its because your family pushed you to the internet for guidance and many other things.

[@jinx526]

@cloudplum~~ I think it would make more since to start with criticism and not support the media industry rather than attempting to analyze and disect individual celebrities. The industry is the source of the pressure for both celebrities and regular people. I think both of you have valid points, especially about colonialism and putting celebrities on pedestals. I think for myself, it's pretty disturbing to subject an individual to plastic surgery speculation publicly. It feeds into the need people have to continue comparing themselves to celebrities and others, albeit more "realistically," but the obsession is still there; it's still somewhat dehumanizing. And I don't see how exposing the celebrities really challenges the beauty standards that depends on the messaging with each video. It's a bit jarring to me because I know fans develop a sense of entitlement towards celebrities and even other normal people's appearance. Overall, it is a rather unfortunate dynamic, but I get dishonest celebrities that need to be held accountable. Idk I think there's probably a more ethical and effective way to go about it. I'm glad it helps some people with their self image but I think collectively we need to move away from the value of beauty especially for women/girls

[@vickyoli]

I have had cosmetic procedures myself, but I’m in my 30s. I have a niece with body dysmorphia and she believes everything she sees on SM. I constantly send her this videos and photos comparing, because she thinks everybody is beautiful except her. I will never change the way she sees herself (she is actually gorgeous and pretty), but this helps her a little to feel better

[@marsarchive]

i love Dr. Youn and Lorry. they’ve always been really respectful and transparent with their videos and own experiences. what Doja did was DISGUSTING. i really love her as an artist, but her behavior really threw me off. calling Lorry all those extremely rude names was beyond childish. Lorry has been 100% honest with her own surgeries and her videos have really helped me with my self confidence. Doja said she built her career off of her body and inspiring others yet called Lorry “Jack Skellington”… that’s not very body positive on her end.

[@chedoodles]

i agree, i could not even listen to her songs anymore and find her rlly cringey

[@Levi-Asher15]

I mean can you really blame Doja for acting that way ever since she lost weight people and the media accused her of getting plastic surgery when she lost weight on her own maybe this was her final straw

[@Levi-Asher15]

I’m not excusing her behavior but what if that played a part in her rant and she was holding all of those emotions in

[@loisetrades]

Dr.Youn is the best 🤣🤣

[@kumarules118]

I thought she's popular cause her songs literally made for TikTok algorithm. What is it about her body? She's talking like she's Lizzo creating her own brand from being obese

[@tari.vm3008]

I've learn so much from Lorry's videos, all the information she provides really helps you be objective when you see a celebrity and, personally, it has helped me feel better about my body.

[@auds1975]

I'm not a fan of the whole "exposing people's cosmetic surgery" videos however with the whole Doja situation i realised, it's not so much the content that is the problem but the fans. The creators like Lorry that put disclaimers that it's their opinion are at least subtle about it, the fans that take it as gospel and bombard people with accusations are definitely a problem.

[@lc-do5eo]

I agree. Too many people acuse people of getting surgery when they are actually natural

[@nora4642]

For someone who wants to he body positives Doja sure went for lorrys looks REAL FAST

[@shawnapferd9510]

I love watching Gary Linkov talk about plastic surgery too, he’s super informative

[@yakobii5166]

your hair looks stunnin like this, best style you’ve had to date 🖤

[@rebekahnewman3876]

I lost respect for Doja Cat because of the way she came for Lorry… who is one of the sweetest most well intentioned KZbinrs out there. Shame.

[@batiaefrat3439]

"drama goblin" 😂👏💯 Lorry did NOT deserve the treatment she received from Doja. As many have already commented, her intentions are educational and to destigmatise cosmetic surgery and procedures. She always talks about her subjects with the utmost respect. She is so graceful, sadly I can't say the same for Doja. The fact that celebrities still see the need to try "protect" their brands by denying their plastic surgery to sustain this "godly" / "more than human" appeal of perfection to elevate themselves is both a symptom of societal beauty standards and a huge perpetuating force of those very standards, which ultimately they're participating in and profiting off of.

[@Jjangbunbun]

i doubt doja even watched lori’s vid, she’s literally so polite and gives so many disclaimers

[@cherrybean5796]

the thing is that why do people try to feel better about themselves by seeking reassurance that the celebs have had plastic surgeries? getting a month break from social media is better than going to a plastic surgery analysis every time you feel insecure because no matter what, there's always going be someone better looking than you in your own standards. just chill peeps.. these celebs get paid for looking good and you don't

[@mikimishisa]

All these comments where people put the pressure of body image on celebrities. I don't get it like seriously I'm not the most beautiful people in the world but I love myself enough to not have to look at celebrities for beauty. The reason because my family instilled that confidence in me so I grew up being confident in my body and my face. I just need to understand why everyone keeps putting this on celebs when it's people that need to change their thinking.

[@anaochoa]

Not everyone has the fortune to grow up in a family like yours. And as much as I get what you're saying, I think it's difficult to change your perspective on yourself when you're surrounded by a society that constantly tells you to change your body to be socially acceptable and nobody tells you otherwise. Celebrities are just adding to that pressure when they say they are all natural, because that leads to people thinking that something that's so "achievable" for some, it's so unthinkable for them.

[@anaochoa]

Also, I wanted to add my personal experience. I used to feel like you by myself and my own reflections until I was 14. I got my period so I was supposed to get this new woman body, and I did, but it wasn't what I expected. It feels even worse now that I am 17 because there's this culture of being pretty, especially as a female teenager. I feel forced to be sexy and attractive even if I didn't before. Now that "I am in my golden years", I feel like I am supposed to be peaking by now. This is so much more than a personal problem, it's a societal issue. And well, now society is really built around technology and social media, so it's undeniable the huge role of influencers nowadays.

[@mikimishisa]

@@anaochoa I get what your saying but that still doesn't validate people putting the pressure on celebs to come out about medical surgeries they've had.

[@tired1923]

if you’re an influencer in any way, sorry but people are allowed to question how realistic is the body you’re trying to sell them. Your job is telling millions of people they could look like you if they just buy your beauty products, this brand’s shape wear, your friend’s vitamins, and your sponsored meal replacement kit. You gotta be honest about what these products have or haven’t done for you. Yeah, most people aren’t held to these standards, but most people aren’t public figures woth millions of followers. You have power, you have influence, if using it wisely is too much for your mental health then do something else, you are hurting people. I’m Especially tired of influencers claiming it’s misogyny to question them, as if they’re not upholding unrealistic beauty standards that the average woman will never be able to afford. There’s no shame in surgery, if you are so confident and wanna spread body positivity the least you and do is being honest.

[@juhel5531]

I hate the lack of integrity. So many celebs peddle beauty products, food, exercise products etc. with the implication that they get their looks from said products. No they didn't. The lack of integrity and the complicit consent in being lied to by the majority irks me both. This kinda stuff is more apparent in fitness celebs but the subtle type of egregious disingenuousness by kpop stars and Hollywood stars is just as bad.

[@reigner8755]

Every celebrity who claims to be natural and profits from such claims should be sued. It’s ok to say you’ve never had work done, but if you’re saying that and selling a product, you need to get sued to hell. JLo is a perfect example, she’s obviously had more than just olive oil and sunscreen on her skin, homegirls had Botox and other expensive lasers and fillers, yet she says she hasn’t and sells skincare. Girl bye. She beautiful no doubt, but for her to self her products to people thinking it’ll give them JLo skin is a crime!

[@rindellegioucrosszeria9017]

True. Also, even the "professional" analyses aren't always right because a lot of the pictures they use are from magazine photoshoots or music videos etc. where the images are already photoshopped. Even fans edit fancams of their idols. These people also judge other people's looks without considering the cultural aspects behind it. One big example is K-pop and Korean beauty standard. I noticed that they would say a kpop artist did surgery when I know they didn't, because they go against Korea's beauty standard. I know how a lot of them had been considered ugly in Korea but beautiful by the rest of the world. They fought for their place in this competitive industry and they deserve the recognition and rewards. One more thing is makeup. I've seen different kinds of makeup from different cultures thanks to watching makeup tutorials. A person's natural features can really look like different depending on what you do. Some crazy ones are the Chinese makeup transformations. That's why I like Lorry Hill. She always puts a disclaimer at the beginning and is always polite in presenting her opinions. I really can't get mad at her.

[@arain764niara]

Doja has NEVER been about body positivity. How she gonna say she is and in the same breath start talking shit about this woman's body and face. The woman already admitted to PS and literally have videos about it. Doja looked like a clown and the sad thing was I used to like her but the way she responded was disgusting

[@lc-do5eo]

Ps?

[@princmp8550]

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[@lc-do5eo]

@@princmp8550 thank u:)

[@kittykat490]

Things that made me laugh: you toasting the screen with your water bottle when Doja said cheers, "ya win some ya lose some badaboom badabing" ... But ya I normally don't like stuff talking about online drama or trashy reality tv or celebrity/influencer culture gossip type stuff, even when the person discussing it is being reasonable and rational and not contributing to drama but just discussing it, but your vids are so chill and tasteful and funny that I'm able to enjoy hearing about these kinds of topics when you talk about them 😭

[@emilyonizuka4698]

I remember when I was like ten, my friend from Korea told me about her fave Kpop groups and how they've all had plastic surgeries and I was shocked because I didn't realize yet that all North American celebrities have also had plastic surgeries.

[@SonoNariFiorewithGrace]

I don't think anyone should be a beauty standard because we're all unique! Fearfully and wonderfully made so just because those celebs often look "polished" doesn't mean anyone should be the beauty standard.

[@Felinaz]

I do agree that nobody should be a beauty standard, however it's just not realistic especially in a time where social media is such a big thing for everybody.

[@pleasedontlookforme8036]

Perhaps there "shouldn't" be, but how something should be and how something really is are two different things.

[@jtaimeChopin]

Doja just proves the point about the stigma surrounding plastic surgery with her disproportionately angry response. Of course we understand why she would want to respond and acknowledge the video, but she could’ve said she takes offense and that it’s not true. We could’ve all lived with that. ALL THAT SAID, the moment Doja went that low and the fact that we have eyeballs, it’s insulting to all of our collective intelligence if she thinks doing a Live while losing her shit suddenly takes away from the fact that homegirl indeed has had work done.

[@oqeufh]

I always thought Lorry Hill's videos were really respectful and informative. It is obvious that even if she is not a professional she does have experience with plastic surgery as she's done many herself (she has a playlist on her channel of her explaining her face lifts and stuff) and she is also extremely well informed and does her research well. These type of things need to be addressed, especially in today's society were everyone just wants to look perfect and pose in social media, all this obsession with perfection can really affect the psyche of the younger ones.

[@Sonia-zu3fp]

I feel like something people neglect to think about is that often times it's the industry putting pressure on celebrities to maintain their young appearance that causes them to get plastic surgery. It shouldn't be normal for girls as young as 14 to be altering their faces but that's what adults in the industry make them feel they have to do. Even though these analysis videos often have disclaimers saying it's just their opinion. Many viewers take it as factual and despite the disclaimer do use it to send hate to people. I just worry about those celebs who have had surgery at such a young age because they most likely have their own insecurities and could suffer from body dismorpia too and now they have a hoard of people telling them they are only beautiful because of surgery or that they ruined their face.

[@axica5434]

I watched Lorry’s video and it was respectful and just speculations! She’s doing it for all the people looking up to DAMAGING unrealistic beauty standards. Such a disappointing and body shaming response from Doja Cat :(

[@zoeymathis]

The people in the comments are like all these content creators are so nice and respectful and blah blah. They are analyzing and deconstructing peoples actual bodies on the internet and you all are flabbergasted and upset at someone for obviously being hurt by it and responding to it because God forbid they are an actual human being with a range of emotions. People are saying Doja is in the wrong, she could’ve handle that more calmly and just gave an objective, succinct, refutation, etc. No. There are some of y’all out there who have had people discuss your bodies in ways negative to you and have suffered mentally and physically for it and for this woman you’re just like rein in your emotions and be respectful to someone who probably disrespected you. Screw a disclaimer.

[@SuperCandy52]

Thank you 😊

[@tara4637]

Beauty fades. Dumb is forever. -Judge Judy

[@thisisme2681]

I think they are good if done respectfully by professionals that actually know what they are talking about. People need to know they cannot compare themselves to celebrities that have had a ton of work done.

[@itsukishikatani2955]

Exactly. Especially since so many celebs lie about all the surgical procedures they have. Acting like it’s pure genetics or that they got it from using sponsored products.

[@uncletea5632]

Pro: insecure people are reassured Con: people once again assume they are entitled to every aspect of a public figure’s life

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

And famous or not, someones medical procedures are none of our business

[@brianna4657]

@@user-jb7tq7ko7e They aren't our bussiness if that didn't affect us at all. However, celebrities do have an influence on how we see us. If we know they have had plastic surgery people wouldn't have so many insecurities.

[@muas77]

@@brianna4657 no you have a influence on yourself and that is your responsibility if you are an adult. If you are a kid it's your parents responsibility, not some random celeb or random internet person.

[@brianna4657]

@@muas77 I'm mostly talking about kids or teenagers who are easily influenceable by media. Of course it's the parents responsability but what are they gonna do? Stop their kids from having social media at all? As I said before, celebs do have an influence on teenagers even if they didn't want to. If they knew that what is portrayed on the media is not real and therefore cannot be archieved naturally, their perception would change.

[@corilewis]

Totally agree with your commentary and I appreciate the content these creators make because I grew up comparing myself to celebrities and feeling bad about my looks. Knowing it’s so expensive to look “perfect” is a relief because I ain’t got money for that! Also petition for Jack Skellington cosplay

[@Artemisnr]

i love that the ad i got was for juvaderm lip filler

[@CarlyonProduction]

I think the problem with Doja is she wants it both ways. She built a brand on being ‘just like you’ Now she has a load of money and has had a load of work done, she still wants to cling to that brand WHILST having completely unattainable beauty. Celebrities profit off of that gap between us and them. We can never achieve that level of perfection, so we idolise them. Knowledge of surgery shatters that illusion. People were drawn to Doja because she was a break from all that. Now she wants it both ways. She wants to be seen as all natural, yet completely unattainable at the same time. There is something inherently dishonest and manipulative about that. Nobody should HAVE to talk about surgery. However, when you weigh in and DENY surgery, you are a problem. Another example is the recent Bella hadid article. She went so far out of her way to disclose her nose job (to rapturous applause for her bravery) But then went on to staunchly deny getting literally anything else done. There is something particularly dishonest about that. So what miley does - just don’t talk about it. No problem

[@Geoffrey.C]

The whole drama with Doja Cat reminds me of when Kylie Jenner tried so hard to deny lips fillers, launching a dangerous trend that way, before acknowledging it. In my opinion, if you are a celebrity, you have to expect people to have opinions about you and talk no? Isn't it the point to stay relevant? Yes, everyone deserves privacy, but the issue is when someone is followed by so many young people who admire her/him to the point of following her/his path; when his/her entire image is her/his brand and her/his make millions of dollars out of it... At least be honest about it, even if it's just parts of it? In the end, perfecting this image IS part of the job. Lorry never shames anyone in her video, never claims that her opinions are fact. It's also always very informative and like a big discussion about the topic of plastic surgery to normalize it a little more. It actually helps a lot of people to talk about it, at least that's how I see it. And to open the discussion a little more, I know in the video it was said that no one is obligated to state his medical record to strangers... But, well... That applies mostly to physically normal people? By that I mean: people with physical deformities, disabilities or who are limited after a particular surgery (ankles blocked for example), will have to disclose part of their medical history to strangers every day to answer questions...

[@insecuresession1638]

Idk I think how alot of celebs (mainly kardashians) lying about surgeries is more harmful than speculating about if they've had surgeries, like so many impressionable young people are effected by these "glow ups" that turn out to be plastic surgery. Esp when they're "beauty influencers" like if Kim can show off her contour that she wants to sell to u why cant she share her surgery which is basically also a cosmetic tool. Idk anyone who has a bad reaction to a celebrity potentially getting plastic surgery just shows their bias against plastic surgery imo. Also fair for Doja getting mad but body shaming Lorry Hill for looking like "jack skellington" was low.

[@Phantomopery5]

Lori Hill exposed plastic surgery in a clear way that I've never seen. Her videos are very informative.

[@corroticks]

You have said everything I think about PS analysis vids. Thanks Edvasian!

[@mdsims9229]

Doja Cat acted immature entitled needlessly aggressive and showed a shitty part of the personality no one needed to see.

[@CassandraL666]

Doja Cat calling her Jack Skellington? Referring to thin girls like that? NOT OKAY. You can be attacking someone’s eating disorder. Someone’s illness or diseases. It’s not right. She took it tooooooooo far.

[@Pax_Luca]

You’re so right and it’s a take i really needed. Been seeing too many plastic surgery/ beauty standard things lately and it’s really getting to me…

[@chasityboatman4928]

It's absolutely necessary in an age where young people cannot distort reality from the superficial. Young people in a digital age have such a high likelihood of depression, anxiety, and eating disorders. Those with a platform should use it responsibly. As a mother, I feel my own responsibility for my children. I've never edited my body or posted photos with filters or distortions. Young people need to know what people actually look like.

[@jessy40]

Then they should look around them, people are not far fetched, we see people everyday, but no, we want to be like a celebrity, that's the problem.

[@hhr7271]

We do need people like Lorry Hill tbh, or most celebs will continue to lie to our faces about being 'all- natural'. We need them to own up and not give their audience body dysmorphia

[@imogenx9145]

I'm from the very early kpop stan days and we always knew they were getting work done and dieting constantly. Yunho from TVXQ was pretty upfront about his veneers and how painful they are and I believe still are to eat with. Be aware of the problem, look at the industry with heavy criticism and remember your idols are just human beings.

[@lissettehernandez903]

I'm was not interested in this type of content before (plastic surgery), but you have introduced me to an interesting topic. It was so great your way of explaining, you have a point or an opinion, and no matter if others agree or not with what you said, there's no way to feel disrespect with your content. I love the content creators that are on this platform to put things on the table related to the actuality or take the trends to make the people question and create their own criteria but in a friendly and respectful way.

[@kciee6258]

Love Lorry hill’s videos, always so respectful.