The Problem With Shounen Anime

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Sock Sensei

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@littlenice-ve5pb Жыл бұрын

I hate how it so *true* 😂 I gave up on anime a long time ago and this video talks about every problem i had with it.

@socksensei Жыл бұрын

Try some seinen shows, they tend to be better paced and don’t follow patterns as much

@littlenice-ve5pb Жыл бұрын

@@socksensei thank

@Bunxana Жыл бұрын

Seinen is way better than shounen.

@Bunxana Жыл бұрын

And and if your into romance you should try watching shoujo anime too.

@littlenice-ve5pb Жыл бұрын

@@Bunxana thank I tried both, now at a dead end Hello my darkness my old friend You come to see me one again

@ChaskaDaGamer Жыл бұрын

Dude if I could give you a kiss you would be in my basement looking at my all might pc

@socksensei Жыл бұрын

You’ve got me hooked

@ChaskaDaGamer Жыл бұрын

@@socksensei I’ll reel you in

@trippin6210 8 ай бұрын

All shonen jump writers do they same thing, they end up writing themselves into a corner instead of just finishing the story

@mj-rx8qc 3 ай бұрын

Problem with too many manga of any genre.

@wdcain1 Жыл бұрын

This is why I couldn't get into Bleach. I only watched the first twenty episodes but everything I saw reminded me of either Naruto or YuYu Hakusho. It's where that pretty much all shounen anime can be mapped out by the protagonist's power levels. This is why I love Code Geass. Lelouch never gets more powerful over the show's course. Arguably he gets weaker since he loses all control over his power.

@completelyaccurate Жыл бұрын

Imo the first 22 episodes of bleach are it's worst I would recommend giving it another try as the soul society arc which is like the best arc in the anime starts right after

@thomasffrench3639 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, after that it becomes it’s own thing. It’s basically Saint Seiya but better written. Also all I see for Code Geass is just another mecha show. It’s good, but so is Naruto and JJK.

@texmex6083 Жыл бұрын

bleach is good especially the tybw arc you should give it other chance

@dhruvbharija172 Жыл бұрын

Mid geass sucked lol

@theking8347 3 ай бұрын

Death Note is a shonen, yet it doesn't follow this structure at all. Nor do Lucky Star or Rent-A-Girfriend, which are also shonen. Shonen simply means the target audience is boys aged 12-18. That's it. It says nothing about the content of the anime.

@Violent_crimes 9 ай бұрын

Before watching this video, i questioned myself for aot's end being to rushed and audience focused...... most of my friends and colleagues even quoted it was a masterpiece ....i felt a dilemma for not getting wuts good imean damn i got to the sereies before it exploding mainstream so y i am the one feeling shitty....now i realise most people are just avid shounen troup enjoyers and the sudden contraction of such a huge world building and development like this wont affect most who knew it only for its fight scenes

@Christian-eq7uh 6 ай бұрын

This is why FMA Brotherhood is the pinnacle of Shounen, it broke so many rules.

@demonreturns4336 Ай бұрын

What rules did it break?

@yourmother3217 7 ай бұрын

Steel Ball Run is an excellent take on the hero's journey for multiple reasons. Johnny isn't a perfect human being in any way from the start, and even by the end, he still has flaws. But his journey of becoming a better person also deviates in that not only does Johnny's character and morality fluctuate and regress at times instead of just being a straight path to greatness, he also spurs much of his personal change of his own volition, unlike most hero's journeys where the hero slots into some predestined role and is guided by circumstance. Gyro fills both the mentor and helper traits, and unlike the usual partner that is overshadowed by the main character, Gyro's character at times intentionally overshadows Johnny's, indicating to the reader that Johnny isn't some special prodigy and that Gyro is just as integral in the story as Johnny is. Gyro also has flaws, but unlike the usual side character flaws that often involve being too "serious" or not confident enough in themselves (i.e. Vegeta, Sasuke, Aki), Gyro's flaws are only in relativity; he is ultimately much more confident in himself than Johnny is in himself, and while Johnny is willing to do whatever it takes to get the corpse parts, Gyro's hesitancy toward extreme measures can be interpreted as a flaw or as a moral good. Usually, the hero finds themselves failing multiple times before succeeding, ramping up to a final major failure (an "abyss" or "ordeal") before overcoming it to success. However, Johnny instead fluctuates between success and failure at realistically random intervals, sometimes of his own doing and sometimes due to sheer circumstance. What complexifies Johnny's journey the most from the traditional hero's journey is that it's not made explicit what counts as failure or success. For example, in the final chapters of SBR against Diego, it could be argued that Johnny both wins and loses.

@kombucha_director 10 ай бұрын

For those who read manga as well, try checking out Dandadan. The story is told in arcs as per usual, but that shit is so random I bet you'll never be able to tell what's happening next

@e1ovesGames 9 ай бұрын

You can sense troupes about to happen, it's just so ridiculous you can't guess it accurately, but Dandadan is really good

@zfiles7119 9 күн бұрын

Great video!

@EnderBudoks 10 ай бұрын

Can't blame that one studio making PNG running animation wobbling from KineMaster pro lol

@kiraramax2066 9 ай бұрын

one more thing these Shounen animes are the most popular in America than other countries because idiots always trying to compare power levels and who can beat who fights. as for Japan and other countries shounen anime is pretty much trash that only middle schoolers will consume. as slice of life anime is more popular outside of america, and gundam too is more popular in other countries and not america. the only exception is One Piece

@stevenbrown4001 7 ай бұрын

I just watched Frieren and that has to be one of the most unique shounen I’ve watched so far. It just felt so different and I didn’t even realize it was based off a shounen manga, until I looked it up. I thought Forsure it was based off of a light novel. Hell’s paradise felt different as well, and of course spy x family is, too. There’s still unique ones out there.

@mashtonish 3 ай бұрын

I wish hxh and berserk were referenced. Hmm... actually, an explanation of the idea of "shounen" used in the video would've been helpful. Otherwise, you're basically saying, "As I'm using the idea of 'shounen' to be in this manner, where the structure of the story and characters are very similar, I want to point out (in a negative way) how similar they usually all are." But... if you're intention was to include all of what could be 'shounen', then you're kind of just scratching the surface of popularity (all though one piece was missing?)... Yeah, in summary, the video was basically "I see very similar things in these things I'm seeing and I don't care to see it so often."... Have you read the synopsis of "wind breaker" or whatever? Man... some manga or anime people just want work. Heck if it's the same story every time.

@SaradaUchiha-jv2jd 2 ай бұрын

Berserk is seinen not shonen

@Elge703 Жыл бұрын

Shounen isn't a genre dumb comparison

@nagasrinivas-fg5lh Жыл бұрын

It is a demographic.

@Elge703 Жыл бұрын

@@nagasrinivas-fg5lh yes 👍

@e1ovesGames 9 ай бұрын

@@nagasrinivas-fg5lhSo what you're saying is if you leave that demographic... It's probably not for you 🫢

@RhiKlowho 6 ай бұрын

Yes Shounen is a demographic but at least 90% of the anime release in the last 5+ years is shounen. The video is taking as about battle shounens which seem to be what people often refer to when talking about Shounen.

@bromax360 4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure he’s mostly talking about Battle Shonens

@Wapcvm 6 ай бұрын

Man, there's some shounen that look amazing artistically but I need to be satiated bro

@crimsonzone8984 3 ай бұрын

What're the studio trigger anime that you've watched? What're your thoughts about them?

@jonathanwade3882 2 ай бұрын

if i can compare Mha and jjk together and see which one i enjoy the most, Its definitely mha. Ik, very controversial opinion but tbh, this show is what i love about any shonen animes ive watched. It doesnt follow too many of the same trope over and over and unlike jjk, it has more slice of life episodes that can run up to 4 or 5 episodes before a new arc. Letting itself explore the world and the characters more. Jjk however barely does any of that. It doesnt even decide to take its time with their characters and most of their arcs are either 6-12 episodes long. And this is only 2 seasons. The show seems like its trying to hurry up and wrap up its story by just killing off their characters way too early and doing poorly at it. Its flashbacks takes like an entire episode long, It writes most of its characters off half the chapter, And its too focused on its villains more than the heros as if we should "sympathize" with them. None of this even remotely applies to MHA. I only watched 5 seasons of it so far so i hope im not wrong yet, but i do know is that its far more less boring and edgy than what jjk is.

@thomasffrench3639 Жыл бұрын

Eh, Code Geass is just as uncreative as most Shonen is. All I really see is a pretty standard mecha anime. It’s good, but so are a lot of Battle Shonen.

@Emerardo 11 ай бұрын

So true. Studio Sunrise has made so many better mecha

@thunderdog0185 9 ай бұрын

But the gundam isn’t the point of the show. I agree it may be uncreative but I also think it’s one of the best showmen there is

@wednes3day 9 ай бұрын

Not to knock your preferences, as someone who never watched it for the mecha ... Aren't you kinda missing the whole debate on how to affect systemic change (inside vs outside or neither or both and what those cost) as well as (to some extent (reaffirming?)) what to motivate the shape of society by?

@thomasffrench3639 9 ай бұрын

@@thunderdog0185 I forgot it also has high school shenanigans. Although that isn’t anything new with mecha, with shows like Evangelion and Full Metal Panic

@jagerzaku9160 9 ай бұрын

@@thomasffrench3639full metal panic is genuinely fucking hilarious though, especially fumo

@Gojoismygoat Жыл бұрын

Lets gooo another W video

@AmberPanda382 Жыл бұрын

Ok, first off i appreciate what your doing, but you kinda messed it up a bit. There are tons of anime that break this mold, not just the few you wrote. One piece is a great example, it’s crazy, strange, interesting and is not abt fighting, that’s an afterthought. I agree that many shows have recycled aspects, but that doesn’t mean they have no value. Mha is good at showing social issues, which more ppl need to see. Everything has value

@socksensei Жыл бұрын

My point wasn’t to trash on anime for sharing story points but just to point out that it can get repetitive and stories that break from that mold can be very refreshing. A lot of the example shows I used I like, they just fall into that category tho. Sorry if it came off as if these shows are “trash”

@AmberPanda382 Жыл бұрын

@@socksensei no ur good, i just posted this for the idiots who take this at surface level and use it to back up their "my anime is better bcuz" arguments

@socksensei Жыл бұрын

@@AmberPanda382 valid

@kayag8 Жыл бұрын

You said a whole lotta nothing.

@zfiles7119 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for letting us know you didn't watch the video! Nice one troll.

@kayag8 9 күн бұрын

@@zfiles7119 You still use the word troll in 2024 🤣🤣🤣

@zfiles7119 9 күн бұрын

@kayag8 yeah I'm in 2024 are you from 2050 where internet trolls don't exist anymore?

@kayag8 9 күн бұрын

@@zfiles7119 Keep simping for your boyfriend little man 😂😂😂

@zfiles7119 9 күн бұрын

@kayag8 What are you yapping about? That didn't even make sense, lol. This was just a good video, and the creator made a point that wasn't even a super hot take it's just true.

@mrdarmin Жыл бұрын

You'll be in for a surprise once the next seasons of JJK drop, trust me once we get to the Shibuya incident I'm sure your opinion on the series will change

@socksensei Жыл бұрын

I've read the manga, I know what goes down and it's refreshing from what's been seeded so far but it's not that unexpected

@kylefreeburg9353 Жыл бұрын

I have heard this said about every arc of every shounen. I just find it hard to believe these daya

@brorex246 9 ай бұрын

I came from the eva vids and ima stick around now but this needs to be the type of vid that blows up man this is so true. Shounen is like the marvel of the anime community and I have opted for reading instead of watching anime now purely because I don't feel like wasting time for the same wet and unchanging blanket again. but i do feel jjk, chainsawman, and mha deserve a bit more credit as they do stand out so much more.

@e1ovesGames 9 ай бұрын

My only problem with those shows going against the mold is that after everything goes crazy unexpected, they kinda just flounder about trying to figure out what the point was besides taking out the biggest bad.

@milestrombley1466 Жыл бұрын

Just like isekai and romance anime, shonen gets oversaturated for money.

@theking8347 3 ай бұрын

Isekai and romance are genres, shonen is not.

@ambatuBUHSURK 7 ай бұрын

One Piece and Code are both goated. Cope!

@dhruvbharija172 Жыл бұрын

Aot is very different Eren mikasa Armin are faar different from naruto sakura sasuke type trio

@Huckll 11 ай бұрын

The problem is my autistic ass would always be amazed by shounen anime

@DacLMK 5 ай бұрын

Not mine. Once I saw some Shounen anime, the rest just look like copy-paste to me. I'm all about watching weird Anime now.

@nagasrinivas-fg5lh Жыл бұрын

All shoenn anime are the same like all rocom, comedy and slice of life are same. If you watch one shoenn anime you can get into all of them without problem. That is the appeal. Ex: If you like Naruto you may like Bleach. Or vice versa.

@wednes3day 9 ай бұрын

Problem (at least later on?) being when they're so similar, they bleed together .... but hey, all Conan cases also start becoming same-y (minus what tricks happened to pull off the crime which tend to be rather interesting education 😌)

@DJSpinczar 7 ай бұрын

i dont necessarily know if AOT should be put into this bunch - feels more seinen than shonen, but hey, like genres in music, genres in anime/manga overlap

@theking8347 3 ай бұрын

Shonen/seinen aren't genres, they're age demographics. Shonen is boys aged 12-18. Seinen is men aged 18-40. That's all these terms mean.

@DJSpinczar 3 ай бұрын

@@theking8347 while true, they're also very clearly and very often used as genre descriptors, hence why everyone knows what a "shonen" anime is

@theking8347 3 ай бұрын

@@DJSpinczar Not really Death Note, Speed Racer, Rent-A-Girfriend, and Lucky Star are all shonen, but there's little similarity between them. JoJo used to be shonen but is now seinen K-On, Berserk, and Bocchi the Rock are all seinen. They don't work as genre descriptors because there's a lot of different genre within them. They're indicators of target audience, not content.

@dustincarter9334 4 ай бұрын

I agree with what you are TRYING to say, but what you're describing isn't the hero's journey it's a Journey to the West. It's the influence from that you are describing.

@2triedforthis830 4 ай бұрын

Fr like some of the stuff he was saying wasn’t rlly hero’s journey. Like death note?? Rlly?? Yeah he was called to the book, but it’s more of a psychological thriller than any kind of hero’s journey. And there’s so many other shonen he hasn’t mentioned. I’m not gonna lie, I don’t really care if a genre is repetitive if the story and the characters are good. Like troupes are meant to be used to make the series easy to enjoy and maybe if you want, subvert it.

@Daito-lel 2 ай бұрын

Thats why CSM is the best

@VHBEngines 6 ай бұрын

YES! MY GOD THE MAN SAIDIT!!! 6:05 i was first introduced to one piece in 2010 got into it during 2012 startred reading the manga in 2014 week to fucking week. after wano finished i was completely burned out and havent read or watched anything. i thought the rest of the series was going to be mini arcs because 5 years left ya know but here we are again in ANOTHER year long story arc...and this one boring as fuck like WCI all over again. oda has to be rich. why not let the fucking thing end already?!?!?!?!?!?! wrap it up and make a fuckin sequel series if you cant leave it be

@noahalcantar2431 3 ай бұрын

Alot of toxic fans complaining about shonen all over again

@JapanischErfahren 8 ай бұрын

Very true.

@standowner6979 11 ай бұрын

Go for Seinen and Josei

@mohammadshaikh3119 7 ай бұрын

I would exclude aot from this group,there are also other must watch series like vinland saga

@mr.s521 Жыл бұрын

Chainsawman.

@akielsteewart8577 8 ай бұрын

Yeah I get what you mean honestly

@jonnjones8263 6 ай бұрын

I'm sorry but you lost me. Following the Heroes Journey is not a storytelling flaw. You couldn't literally boil all stories down to a structure of some kind. The Heroes Journey is a feature not a bug. Trash analysis.

@2triedforthis830 4 ай бұрын

I was shocked when watch this vid because wdym hero’s journey is bad? I mean yeah you could get tried of it with characters reaching point A to point B and some adventures along the way, but that’s basic story structure? Especially if it’s something for young boys or kids. It works well and the story structure isn’t the problem with some of these shows, it’s how the author makes those individual traits not really work well, or the characters don’t get any kind of development at all sometimes, like tanjito.

@tele_epic Жыл бұрын

:( one piece good

@Wireseason3-4myfavficton 9 ай бұрын

too bad there are few shows like Monster, Oyasumi punpun, pluto, the Legend of Galactic Heroes, Texhnolyze, or movies like Perfect Blue, and Millennium Actress.