The Problem with Splatfests (Hint: It's Turf War)

[@CaptainAstronaut]

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[@AHylianWarrior]

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[@ezrafaulk3076]

I'm glad you addressed the Nintendo Switch Online subscription thing, but I honestly think you didn't go far *enough* there; why? Because it doesn't affect *just* Splatfest, it *also* affects the multiplayer as a *whole* , locking it, and by extension, all the rewards, gear and *other* stuff you have to unlock by upping your *multiplayer* level behind a *paywall* , limiting players who *already* paid the base *$60.00* to the single player story, and *nothing else* ! I *love* Splatoon because it's *much* more creative than any other team shooter game I've ever seen in the gameplay, world building *and* story departments, and to top it all off, the first game released on my *birthday* , and I got it as a *present* ; and I played Splatoon 2 on my Switch, and even bought the *Octo Expansion* (still one of the best *new* DLCs we"ve seen in at least a *decade* in my opinion), and I played the Hell outta both games until Nintendo Switch Online became *mandatory* to play the multiplayer matches, and after that, I only used the *free trial* to participate in the *last* Splatfest of Splatoon 2. But knowing that I *still* have to subscribe to Nintendo Switch Online to even access *anything* besides the singleplayer story mode, I've been *boycotting* Splatoon 3! I understand locking the online features behind the subscription when they're an *optional* thing that doesn't really add much that isn't *already* in the game (I don't *like* it, but I *understand* it), but if you *have* to play the multiplayer mode to access *80%* of the games content, it should be the *exception* to requiring a Nintendo Switch Online subscription to participate in it! *That's* why I'm boycotting Splatoon 3; we need to let Nintendo know we *won't* stand for that *greedy bullshit* !

[@tombkings6279]

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[@ezrafaulk3076]

@@tombkings6279 What the Hell does *that* have to do with Splatoon 3, the *topic* of this video?

[@tombkings6279]

@@ezrafaulk3076 i just wanted to make a whole essay like you did can't i do that

[@KR_Kosmik]

Everyone talks about the fact that turf war sucks as a competetive mode for several reasons but the one no one brings up is the fact that there is no knockout feature. In the ranked modes if it's one sided and one team is getting spawn camped it's over quickly because you just ko but if turf war is one sided and one team is getting spawn camped they are getting spawn camped for a whole 3 minutes

[@rowdyriolu1]

True. It’s even worse when someone on our team disconnects too late for the game to end early so we just have to suffer for the full 3 minutes. 😫

[@Sepiafluxx]

never even thought about this before but you are so so right. It should be played like splat zones except the zone is the whole map

[@tunablockbros]

Yes, it not having a knockout feature is one of the reasons why it's bad for competitive.

[@KR_Kosmik]

@@tunablockbros yes, but I never see it brought up. The only Ive seen talk about it is prochara

[@wyn9693]

I feel like the problem with turf war knockouts is they'd definitely need to have a separate mode since I honestly think being able to learn and oppose a team that's overall better than you is a great thing for the casual mode to have, since it's all just preparation for the real game.

[@cactoos9793]

I felt let down seeing how tri color turf wars don't have an exclusive or super size map designed for them. Just imagine how much better that would be.

[@Slogstin]

This and the fact that Tricolor isn't a balanced free-for-all. Maybe a 3v3v3. Just imagine 3, balanced teams on a big, special map where each team has their own base. Maybe give each base a cannon to turn this map into an absolute warzone.

[@user-sg5tr6jt3y]

When I saw ads with just three colours I thought that would be it. I was sooo disappointed it is NOT

[@NeverEverWatchThis]

Even more disappointing they only,have 2 tri color map versions

[@game_throweryt8452]

Whats even worse tricolor now has mirror matches

[@nepnep8444]

@@game_throweryt8452 most of my tri-color matches were mirror

[@VaskoGames]

Why the 1st 2 minutes of Turf War's aren't a waste: a short theory You use the first 2 minutes to learn how your opponents play and how your teammates play, and prepare the best you can to do the winning thing in the last minute. Thanks for coming to my ted talk - Pikachu

[@CaptainAstronaut]

Bold of you to assume people are Thinking while playing Turf War, Mr. Games

[@VaskoGames]

@@CaptainAstronaut That's a flaw of the game designers, not me ;)

[@EncryptedLiberty]

If your theory held true, that would mean that an effective counter would be... not to play until the last minute of the game, thereby denying your opponents a chance to conduct reconnaisance while you splash around on the map not doing anything. Even if this was the intended design, I think it's a deeply flawed one.

[@Xgil2Play]

It's not a theory, it's a strategy, but as it was said, people don't think. Instead of developing the ability to analyse and adapt, people are genuinely convinced "rUsH mId" is the only strategy.

[@aSquidMin]

Thank you pikachu

[@Cornin33]

As a player who came over from Splatty 2, I do think that the “paint as you go” style of play is probably the best form to go unless your playing support or turf-painter religiously

[@jjbarajas5341]

Have you played Tableturf? Inking base first is a great way to establish a losing steak :) It basically teaches you the intuitive mechanics of how turf war works without the pressure.

[@Cornin33]

@@jjbarajas5341 I’ve played a bit of table turf, and I do see where your coming from, but I wouldn’t call it a tutorial of sorts

[@Xgil2Play]

The "Paint-As-You-Go" point and somehow have the "Only the last 30 seconds matter" in the same argument is somewhat counterintuitive. If only the last 30 seconds matter, why do I have to bother with getting the mid first? "Because if mid is painted by the enemy then-" yeah, but that's not true at all is it? How many times have people turned a game around even though the enemy painted mid first? Ultimately, play however you want. There is no predefined strategy. I paint base, then slaughter mid and then *R U S H B A S E*

[@Ataraxia0]

@@Xgil2Play the main reason you wanna rush mid and not paint base is because painting charges special. if you're just sitting at spawn not using your special, you're eating up precious paint that your teammates can use for specials later in the last 30 seconds. and just because you can make last second comebacks doesn't mean you will 100% of the time, so why risk it?

[@Xgil2Play]

@@Ataraxia0 Meh... Never been in a situation where I had to paint base to get special in the last 30 seconds. There's no point in painting base in the last 30 seconds because that time is better spent diminishing your enemy territory

[@vulpineflare8252]

FINALLY someone mentions overextending! The amount of times we've lost because one teammate decided to rush the enemy base and leave the rest of us fighting a 3v4 in spawn is TOO. FREAKING. MANY.

[@justarandomfan2421]

True

[@comajuice]

this splatfest i lost half my matches bc of this shit. Additionally, i ended up with lower scores myself because if stay mid to keep watch, instead of trying to hoard ink. So id end up scoring lower, AND losing bc my team would overextend. Sure, you got 1300P but we still lost.

[@Eelanos]

I may have misunderstood it, but I think he meant not pushing for the enemy spawn when the match is happening close to the center. At least I think so because when we're the ones getting spawn camped, slipping past the enemy team and covering as much of the center and the enemy base as possible has been one of my most reliable ways to recover from a defeat. You pressure enemies out of your spawn and you can attack them from two opposite angles. Plus, if an ally notices you, they can superjump towards you and put even more pressure on the enemy base. Usually this ends up in a map reset or a full wipe regardless of whether you pull it off successfully or not. But then again this is only ever useful when you're pinned against your spawn and there's not much you can do.

[@noctysapra]

Exactly why I try and play with my friends as much as possible so we know our strat 😭

[@nin7744]

this might have been me, but the idea has been that if we're crowded at our base, if i have weapon setup that allows for faster movement i can rush ahead & hopefully distract the opposing team enough to create an opening to push back.

[@theonlybingledingle]

I just want better maps. Every map right now feels super cramped, they’re extremely narrow and offer little varieties in routes to take for a more exciting and unique match. I know it just came out and obviously we can expect new and better maps as we go, but that’s my biggest hope for now.

[@christophertaylor6807]

I don't know about this. The problem with big maps in turf war is that everyone gets so spread out that team fighting doesn't happen. A lot of the maps that are less cramped end up with people running about randomly not knowing where they should be and the chance that the randoms you are playing with don't know where they should be at any given time is really really high.

[@PickPig]

@@christophertaylor6807 thats a player issue not a map issue

[@christophertaylor6807]

@@PickPig only a little bit. You still have to ink map and since the map is the objective players naturally spread out more which is amplified by larger maps. On modes like rainmaker people are more likely to team fight no matter how big the map is because the objective is centralizing.

[@moshh8680]

i just want the reef back

[@LowPolyPigeon]

Idk about things getting better in the future. I think 'cramped' might be the devs' preferred map style, since many Splat2 maps had the same sort of problem with a lack of side routes because the devs forced a lot of small central chokepoints. (Especially in some of the Shifty Stations; I still have nightmares of the Trick v. Treat stage.) I think the intention was to encourage united team pushes to force through, but it mostly just lead to an obnoxious amount of camping.

[@sins9604]

Something that really ruined this month's splatfest for me is the amount of people that just kept disconnecting halfway into a match

[@Peeplii]

Yeah I was team fire and just...I think I started more disconnected games than I played actual games. And even then most games I did play we got spawn camped.

[@yorak13]

I don’t even think it was on purpose though, the Nintendo Online servers just suck. My friend and I tried to play together on the last day and we kept getting connection errors one after the other

[@Khyon521]

The Tri-Colors wouldn’t be as bad if they gave the Ultra Signal a 20-30 sec timer

[@MrGonve]

Or if you can destroy it as a defender

[@2011blueman]

I just want to be able to play the damn mode, I keep getting on the defending team so it's just random and I get so few tri-color matches.

[@sonic23233]

I got into a tricolor and I'm never doing it again

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

They should just get rid of it

[@Hyperfishsation]

I played 1 match of tri-color. Team grass had some random guy reef slide into the ultra signal twice during the first minute, and they never once lost 1st place.

[@EncryptedLiberty]

I think an easy way to fix turf war without changing the base mechanics very much would be to have scoring take place at every minute mark. At 1:00, 2:00, and at the end, both teams gain points for the amount of the map that is currently inked in their color cumulatively. You still get the fun reveal at the very end to see how much the final results changed the scores at the very end.

[@EncryptedLiberty]

The more I think about this, the more I really love the idea. I also thought that the final map state--what would normally be the only thing that is scored--could count twice as much as the states at minutes 1 and 2. I did some theoretical scores for the worst scenario: Team A is in the lead throughout the entire game, but at the last minute Team B takes the lead. Here are the results in percentages of the map inked. The last column correspond to the condition that the last minute counts for double. 𝟷 𝟸 𝟹 |𝚂𝚄𝙼| |𝟹𝚡𝟸| 𝟺0 𝟺𝟻 𝟺𝟸 = 𝟷𝟸𝟽 𝟷𝟼𝟿 𝟹𝟼 𝟺0 𝟻0 = 𝟷𝟸𝟼 𝟷𝟽𝟼 𝟹𝟾 𝟺𝟷 𝟹𝟿 = 𝟷𝟷𝟾 𝟷𝟻𝟽 𝟸𝟿 𝟹𝟺 𝟺𝟻 = 𝟷0𝟾 𝟷𝟻𝟹 𝟹𝟽 𝟺𝟺 𝟺𝟹 = 𝟷𝟸𝟺 𝟷𝟼𝟽 𝟹𝟸 𝟹𝟿 𝟺𝟽 = 𝟷𝟷𝟾 𝟷𝟼𝟻 Pretty interesting how close some of these games ended up being. The more I look at it, the more I like the idea of the final map state counting double. Helps to be a tie breaker in games that would have been close. If they did this, they could also implement a "knockout" condition: if round three counts the same as the others, it's a knockout if one team is ahead by 10 points at the end of the second minute. If round three counts double, you have to be 15 points ahead to get a knockout. In my examples, Games 2 and 3 would have been knockouts for Team A--who still won under both conditions despite the massive lead that Team B took at the very end.

[@adult11252]

Very interesting, or if rather simply. If the team conquers with high differences for 90 seconds or 2 minutes. Instantly knockout. Gotta defend that 3 minutes is too long since stages is very cramped.

[@squiddler7731]

It still baffles me that they just completely removed shifty station as a thing and didn't give us any sort of equivalent in this game. To me one of the biggest missed opportunities of splatoon 3 is the fact that still to this day you only have the 5 handcrafted rulesets for online battles, and "the city of chaos" pulling out a new version of turf war every splatfest would've been such a cool way to introduce the custom rulesets that nearly every other shooter has. Instead all we got is tricolor turf war, and as far as I'm concerned that mode might as well not even exist for how much I've gotten to play it.

[@MiniWhiteDragon]

The faucet analogy is an excellent one to explain this gamemode. Offense is key!

[@fab.912]

3 people on each team for tri color would even fit with their whole 3 thing they wanted to do. But, we already can get frame drops and lag when playing with 8 people, it is very dependent on what weapons everyone picks, all the particles from the weapons and specials would be nuts. Maybe if they somehow stabilize the game it'd work? I WISH it was 3 teams of 3 And having a new shifty station concept for 3 would have been extremely welcomed. Especially for tri colored. Story wise they could have just said that Deep Cut (bandits who I assume have been around the Splatlands), found cool new locations to fight. Desert fights? Abandoned towns? I don't know, something.

[@Random-oy7vk]

Yea...

[@000Dragon50000]

Some splatfest Shifty Stations actually massively improved this by making sections of the stage unavailable as the match goes on, which has definitely made the early parts of matches more impactful.

[@bracken8782]

The Chicken Vs. Egg and Hare Vs. Tortoise splatfests were especially great at this, and It really makes me wish that they did something better. Honestly, adding Ranked to splatfests would probably fix a lot of issues with the event, probably through the 'pro' matches.

[@shyguytimmy]

Finally, the first person to ever say "Its ok to kill in turf war and not paint every tiny little area in the God damn map"

[@brem-]

Killing also helps paint the map, seeing as how killed inklings explode with the enemy's ink. So if you kill them on their paint you get a sub-weapon type splotch on their turf, and if they're pushed forward to your area killing them helps in reclaiming your turf.

[@snl1353]

Yeah but god damn it you still need to paint the map in TURF WAR. I have had teammates who literally never did that, if you don't care about painting go play literally anything else 💀

[@mapleleaf2443]

Agreed but also I keep getting team mates who would nEver paint like all 3 of them just stayed at mid and constantly DIED when I was stuck painting by my self

[@xana3961]

@@snl1353 Hard to do that when you're locked into turf war via splatfest. Your choices are: play Salmon Run, Play Tableturf, or wait two days for the splatfest to end.

[@DarkHeroCC]

Turf War truly is one of the game modes of all time.

[@hovtchil873]

of all the game modes, it's definetly one of them.

[@RestlessDipstick]

Having skipped Splatoon 2 since by the time I got my Switch, I figured a Splatoon 3 was on the horizons, I had no idea Shifty Stations was a thing. It looks really fun, and now I'm kinda wondering why they aren't in Splat3. It solves the issue of the last minute of Turf War being all that matters, and I'm left wondering why they weren't brought into the normal turf war stages in 3. I wouldn't mind if that was made into a standard rule for Turf War, or if at the very least, it was just incorperated into some of the Turf Stages.

[@SoundToxin]

Tons of content from Splatoon 2 is missing from the game and probably going to be added back gradually over time (we're already seeing this with old clothes being split between different catalogs). Kind of scummy since it just gives the illusion of them giving us new content when we could've probably had it all from the start, but I'm sure they decided the game will continue to sell better this way or something.

[@miiverseisdead4942]

@@SoundToxin Haven’t they done this with both 2 and three? It should be expected by now.

[@samanthamass8614]

@@SoundToxin a similar thing happened with Animal Crossing New Horizons. I bring up another game because I notice nintendo likes to release sequels with less content and then rerelease old features later on

[@SoundToxin]

@@samanthamass8614 I've heard the same team that worked on ACNH is working on Splatoon 3.

[@whitedarkness11756]

Last splatfest I was so confused by the Open vs. Pro modes. Felt like a freaking idiot when I figured it out after the fact. Was getting absolutely stomped in Open, like I kind of wanted to cry. I chose team Fun because I wanted to just have Fun, yet I had very little fun losing so often.

[@iiraingirlii]

Me too

[@ondiiina]

I feel you rn, my stats are going to hell because of the fest.. and I felt crushed because I thought I was starting to do good and then this happened

[@TsuchinokoIsARealAnimal]

Great video - I'd also like to point out that the inaccessibility of ranked modes during a Splatfest means there's essentially no way to play anything other than Salmon Run with friends unless everyone picks the same team (or if you have enough friends to fill a full private match). I know the actual choices don't really matter that much, but it still feels kinda bad either desperately trying to convince your friends that your choice is the 'right one' or joining a team you don't really want to join just because your friends are there.

[@gabrieldeaguiar7345]

Tricolor battles would absolutely benefit from specifically-designed tricolor stages, 2-4-2 or not. I really hope that in the next splatfest with the collab with pikachu they can make a new stage

[@s12y6o24]

3:25 This...explains *so* much: when i saw "open" and "pro", i thought they meant something along the lines of "standard"(for casual play) and "experienced"(for the more serious players who knew what they were doing), and didn't go anywhere *near* "pro", and stayed in "open"(as you can probably guess, it...didn't go well) >

[@totalrandomness7200]

As an uncommon turf war enjoyer and strategist, I personally enjoy splatfests a lot. HOWEVER! Tricolor battles are terribly balanced. Please fix the clout system it literally gives more clout to the 2 attacking teams even when all 3 teams have an equal win rate. It's already hard enough to win as the defenders. It's even more unbalanced than smash 64 Pikachu.

[@derdiedasmims2203]

Especially if the secound two-player team doesn't get the mode.

[@kurei746]

What do you mean it's hard to win as a defender?In Hammerhead Bridge it felt impossible to even get to the center and in this reworked Sturgein Shipyard it feels even worse

[@helion_ut]

​@@kurei746 He means it generallly. Just because you lost two matches to defenders doesn't mean it is the truth, people seem to generally agree that it is MUCH harder to win as defenders, which only makes sense because they don't get access to the ultra signal + can't ink turf that easily because they constantly have to defend turf. This mode was made for the defenders to not be easy, but damn, it's actually dumb that even if you win as defenders the other teams still get around just as much Clout?

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

I see, another fellow turf war enjoyer. Honestly I really love that mode and strategizing on the fly. It's like "map control: the tutorial".

[@charlieriback]

started with 3 so i can only see the super special splatfest maps in old vods, but GOD DAMN do they look fun 😩😩 the sooner we get them the better

[@Slogstin]

Honestly, i don't think Turf War is a big problem. To me parts of the problem are: 1: People just suck at Turf war. We all know that player that pics Aerospray or Sploosh, runs to the enemy base to paint everything just to die right after, basically just feeding their brains out. 2: Splatfest Open has the worst matchmaking i've ever seen. nothing prevents you from playing with a new set of randoms as your team and getting put up against a 4-stack with a 7 win streak. This happens way too often.

[@cutejustice]

I’m gonna guess you’re probably right about the 3v3v3 part. Maybe they could only get 8 players in matches considering that normally it’s 4v4 which explains why they’re doing 2v4v2. Tbh if they can only manage to cap at 8 players then maybe they could do 2v2v2 instead 🤷. Would def introduce more challenges

[@Danny328DT]

The basic Switch can't even keep up with that much stuff going on the screen without sacrificing the framerate.

[@hola-gy8te]

@@Danny328DT nevermind performance a peer 2 peer network would barely be able to sustain it all

[@otakupower1048]

The only time I ever really play turf war is during splatfest. These Splatoon 3 maps are getting so stale I really miss 2's, they weren't the most optimal for competitive play, but they were so much fun.

[@happythekatt8419]

I feel like splatoon 3’s maps are the equivalent of making all Smash Brothers stages Final Destination. I really only play turf mode- so I’m really feeling the grind… the first year of 2 I was constantly playing for fun- now I log on to make sure I get my catalog level up once a day.

[@nintySW]

@@happythekatt8419 You should try ranked, its really fun!

[@happythekatt8419]

@@nintySW I definitely have- I just don’t find the same joy in the ranked battles.

[@merge9585]

Moray Towers, Camp Triggerfish, Arowana Mall? None of these were fun

[@bendow5518]

@@merge9585 I had a tonne of fun on all 3

[@JolieAyala99943]

the only stages that could that could work as tricolor with minimal adjustments are saltspray rig and skipper pavilion because theyre horseshoe shaped instead of rectangular/square like every other map. all nintendo needs to do is diversify the overall map shapes and now you have more maps that are viable in tricolor

[@sparklingsora]

wait, THAT'S the difference between open and pro????? by god ive been playing splatoon for almost 4 years now and i never knew. so THAT'S why i always get curbstomped when playing solo in splatfests. huh. also, god you're so right about the shifty stations. i miss them so much, they were a lot of fun. they made each splatfest fun and unique, and i really prefer splatoon 2 splatfests over splatoon 3 ones (the fact that i rly love off the hook's splatfest music probably factors into this, but). while i do enjoy tricolour, especially on defense, it doesnt feel as special as the shifty stations. i really wish it was 3v3v3 on bigger maps, would amp up the chaos i love so much even more

[@AussieAwesome]

3v3v3 sounds SICK! Maybe they could keep the ultra signal in that the two loosing teams could call it in and have a chance to place it somewhere on the map to keep that area mostly painted in. Or they could do what shifty stations do but the losers have to call in the domes to lock off the areas. OR maybe we could use maps that are designed for tri colour. Picachu

[@kohi6467]

I will not lie one problem i had during turf wars was that Nintendo really decided to give some teams the brightest colors. It can be hard to see whats going especially if you have sensitive eyes.

[@ab-qf1iv]

I think there's an option to lock ink to yellow/blue

[@siribubz]

there _is_ a mode in the settings somewhere that locks the team colors to the yellow and purple on the game icon iirc, idk if it works in splatfest but it helps a ton if the brighter colors strain ur eyes.

[@Zack-ds9rs]

Props to astro for increasing his water bill just for a 10 second bathtub joke

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

Finally someone acknowledges that kills matter in turf. They matter a LOT now with these small and cramped maps that constantly lead to head on confrontation. You literally need to get kills to maintain whatever turf you've already inked or YOU will be the one getting killed/splatted and then the enemy has an opportunity to paint more. Many times I have won turf games with less skilled teammates by splatting the enemy team often enough to create openings for my babysquid teammates to ink without frequent confrontation leading to them dying. Also turf war teaches map control as it is much harder to make a comeback if the enemy has inked a majority of the map. Not only does that mean they have a movement advantage and will have an easier time hunting you down as you cover up their ink, but it also means you have to fight an uphill battle to turn the tables and come out with the most inked. Your movement will be more limited than theirs as you try to cover up their ink making it a lot more important to pick your battles at that point. Inking grants you map control and movement which is crucial. That's just how I interpret turf war, I spend way too much time in that mode.

[@ProChara]

I see u using the Sword a bit nice. I like turf war because its a great beginner mode, an shooters need that but yeah its not great in competition. I love the faucet anology perfect explanation, its so important that the entire meta of turf war is survivability specials. In S2 it was quad baller l3, and rn its machines and splash. I think turf war could be made competitive by having sections of the map close off at certain periods like that one shifty station. Realistically tho Splatfests are also supposed to be accesible, I think having Pro mode with the actual rankings be accesible to teams is the main thing, good players who want to play with at least 1 friend just does open. Ranked modes would be a dream. Funny enough tricolor hammerhead is a better layout then actual hammerhead, but yeah even if tricolor is horribly unbalanced, just leave it accessible its new and its fun. They are willing to adjust stages as sturgon got a much better defending layout so thats cool.

[@Feeble_Weeble]

I've never seen previous splatfest stages since Splatoon 3 is my first Splatoon game, but the idea of locking off areas of the map seems so cool and I'm already disappointed that they didn't bring back anything like that Stages specifically for Splatfests seems so cool, hopefully they eventually start adding them. It really does seem like the development team was rushed, especially considering how we didn't get a Splatoween and they even skipped a splatfest

[@poycicle1953]

Thank you for mentioning how Areospray users and rollers ink every single spot that does absolutely nothing and those who literally just paint and not contribute to the team at all. Looking through replays of the enemy team, there's a lot of people who solely paint and do absolutely nothing to help their team out.

[@frootsluggs]

The 3v3v3 concept (with the way the map is split) is what I am still wishing for 😭😭😭 even with the ultra signal or whatever but everyone is able to get it, not just the attacking team.

[@pickle3346]

In my time during splatoon 2, I’ve learned at least 2 things. 1: securing the middle in turf war should be your first objective. A 3v4 is not gonna help you win. And 2. If someone uses tenta missiles, try not to run towards teammates as I’ve seen many die from this. Even more so if they were also targeted by the missiles.

[@beagleboy2.040]

I dont mind lossing the majority of the turf war matches I play because when I finally do win nothing can come close to the feeling of pure joy. But I also understand why others disagree

[@EerieNone]

Finally bro Ive seen so many sus feet drawings of inklings and it confuses me SO MUCH on why 1, people liked it and 2 why they thought to draw that to begin with.

[@ghd2966]

I actually really like Tricolor turf war, and that's coming from somebody who's been both a defender and an attacker, sometimes I wish that it was a part of the regular mode rotation as well, I know that might diminish how "Special" it is and all, but I feel like one of the reasons it feels frustrating for some people is because their winning team is at stake, and winning in tricolor isn't as straightforward as regular turf war. The reason that I like it is mostly because it's the first Asymmetrical game mode we've gotten for Splatoon at all, and playing a rampant esc tower defense to stop the enemy players from getting to mid is really thrilling.

[@Sepiafluxx]

Ahhh nooo I forgot how fun 2's splatfests were those clips really brought me back :( I am really banking on them adding unique splatfest maps again...

[@r.p.7174]

It always annoys me that people don't understand what should be their priorities in Turf War: 1. Take and hold centre, it's the only contested part of the map (your base is easier to retake since it's designed to be harder to get to for the enemy team, and the oponent's base is too hard to hold) 2. Take and hold flanks (to either get a vantage point, or a sneak-attack route to attack centre from) 3. Ink Base (you're likely respawning there multiple times during a match, and it's harder to get into than out of which deters the enemy team from taking it anyways)

[@ondiiina]

Trust me, once your base is taken, you're done for. Spawn killed immediately. You might push back towards the center but not for long. For example the stages today made it so it's easy to get to someone's base and end your team... Not a problem in Turf War because it's usually more chill but in a fest, it's terrible

[@ProjectLethargic]

the thing about learning weapons in terf war is the fact that now you can play ranked modes casually with the open anarchy battle, the mode just has no reason to be played

[@PixelCollie]

Honestly as someone heavily addicted to salmon run to the point that it's basically all i play, im desperate for the big run event. I feel like it could be similar to splatfests but with gameplay thats a completely different & nice change of pace. Or give us another map already im begging

[@acekirby678]

If anything, only make splatzones the available ranked mode, so if they really wanted you to be inking turf, that’s the closest thing to turf war. And yea, unique tri-color maps would rock (they could be called Splatland Stadiums or something), and 3 v 3 v 3 would be cooler!

[@SirLANsalot]

Turf war should be Splatzones, but with multiple zones on the map. This means you still need to paint the map, but there are important points of interest to control. Overall Splatzones is my fave of the ranked modes, along with Tower Control. Clam Bliz sucks because it uses an extra button to toss the clams, taking your hands off of otherwise important buttons. Raimmaker just sucks for the sheer fact it can be a 20sec match, and the weapon takes away your gun for a fairly bad weapon, strong to kill, horrible to shoot.

[@swagblu4727]

The new tricolor Sturgeon actually was reworked to be a lot better. There's grates that allow the defending team to go into the attacking team's base. There's a lot more cover in the center and the changed defending team bases were improved by a lot. I think one major problem with turf war is with judgement. A lot of times when my team was winning, there were times where only one person was holding mid because everyone else or majority of the team died. Upon respawning people would end up inking chunks of base that were untouched because I think they thought we were still winning, and then it results in the person defending mid dying and a loss for the team if they can't win skirmishes. You have to know when it's okay to ink base and when it isn't. I think overreaching isn't necessarily a bad thing especially if you are good at killing others, as if you can win your skirmishes with the enemy then it allows an early advantage for your team. Don't think early advantages are useless. Such as rushing to mid and or invading enemy spawn. Sometimes you end up winning the entire match from the first thirty seconds because if you rush to spawn and are able to kill off majority of the enemies your team will catch up fast and you can start holding them in. Or the same with mid because instead of sharing the same turf with team-mates at base you'll build your special faster at all the untouched turf at mid. Sometimes dying is okay too as it allows your team-mates to know that there are enemies there and that mid is priority now. There are times when having to hail Mary and run into enemy base is useful especially when you're being spawn camped. If you aren't immediately killed and manage to get away you can lure away others and make it easier for your team to kill them. Being at enemy base is also helpful when being spawn camped because your teammates can jump to you. A lot of people dislike turf war which is fair, but I enjoy it a lot. I hope that those who want to improve in turf war or have some tips for the next splatfest find my information useful.

[@Zed_Oud]

4:39 Fairly Odd Parents taught me that only the last 2 seconds of a basketball game count.

[@Zed_Oud]

Pikachu

[@posh8156]

I never got to experience splatfests in splat 2, and damn splatoon 3's splatfests really arent winning me over

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

They should just get rid of the ultra signal mechanic all together tbh

[@DraNchan]

Hawt take: turf and ranked are equally fun. That said, Shifty Stations needs to return, and Tricolor battles are perfect for introducing creative and unique stages.

[@seaangel1430]

I don't think turfwar is terrible, but when I heard what you told about splat 2 turfwars I was like "Omg this does sound way better, why is it not in the game? :d" Also we need the 3 vs 3 vs 3 mode for splatfest.

[@Lerealshadowflame]

Solo queue is pain. The chances are. I likely get stomped by players who know what they’re doing. That includes 4 stack parties!! Ranked is somewhat fair. But I just feel so bad when I feel like playing turf war with my friends. Especially bringing up meme teams. 🗿

[@snakegarden4289]

"Pikachu use Good will!" Pikachu used Good will by said: I enjoyed your great video, and I hope you are having a wonderful day.

[@Zafaruss]

I’m also really sad they removed splatfest unique stages. They weren’t huge but they were a fun detail. They also removed the special-splatfest special news updates and now they just sit casually in their normal colors and then magically teleport to their podiums. It was a really small detail it is noticeable in splatoon 3 and makes it feel less special.

[@Xenowolf8]

Thank you bringing up these issues with turf war, I have seen people say that Splatoon is not a very competitive game and can’t ever be as good as Halo because it’s just “shoot the floor to win.” Completely ignoring all the ranked modes, and the fact that Splatoon has become a haven for old Halo players because the new ones suck, Pikachu.

[@RiverWilliamson]

We need the Splatfest stages back, for sure. It's cool playing at night, but the dynamics of the changing stages really makes Splatfests fun. Pikachu

[@bunni2583]

At this point it's really just the elephant in the room. When are we getting that inevitable Great Ace Attorney video???

[@Mijou]

My dad bought me one of those plots for Christmas, be sure to call me M'lady!! 😂

[@theoverseer1775]

"sounds like a skill issue" As a binding of isaac player, you just earned all my respect.

[@Sickmmaner]

You love to see it

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Weirdly enough I've seen the phrase "skill issue" have a spike in mainstream popularity, so we're hitting it big Isaac Enjoyers

[@Мот-з9л]

Can't comprehend how people play ranked in splatoon and brush it off. I can't even play turf war without having thoughts to murder everything then myself.

[@merrynesther]

6:31 finally someone who understands

[@dytamic]

"The problem with splatfests" "do not post adult content in the kid's game" makes sense

[@garritron_v2]

It does feel uncontrollable having 2v2v4 in tricolor turf war because I have only been on the attacking team and every time I get in a match, (which I basically never) I feel like I have to rely on my teammate so I have a chance of winning! Cant wait for this pikachu splatfest though!

[@derdiedasmims2203]

Or you have a 2v6.

[@zsDUGGZ]

@@derdiedasmims2203 basically team grass if they get an ultra signal (from what I've seen as team water) they were gunned down immediately lol

[@tygrus3495]

I didn't get the part where you said painting enemies ink decreases their score... I believe the score does not decrease, however splatting an opponent causes to stain the ground with you own ink for additional points, making the opponent inactive during the re-spawning period of time, and there is a big advantage to continue painting. It has happen to me that even if the whole team is wiped in the last 12 seconds (not even the last minute), this turn the tables completely. I agree with your comments, probably Nintendo will improve the next Splatfest, adding Tower Control at least. Regards.

[@CMYKITSUNE]

i decided to do a funny little thing to make splatfest more fun to myself. i'll grab a weapon i don't get to use often or smth competely new to me and just...try to learn it. it was so fun being bad at that weapon but then getting used to it as i got clout for my team. also i want big run, that'll add some spice...and i just love salmon run

[@Jaycan]

Never been this early to a Spaceman video. Content is always good and you've inspired me to make my channel better thank you Mr. Spaceman. The vibes stay charged up like a Pikachu keep up the good work.

[@Salaaaad]

I'm tired of Splatfest. The only fun thing about it is the trash talking between the teams in the plaza and twitter. Big Run I need you now.

[@SingingDragons11]

I will never get the people complaining to complain about people playing to win and “try hands”. Getting into X ranked was hard and you don’t stop analyzing the game because it’s turf war

[@silverwing4153]

By all means play to win. But don't play with me. If I am a c or b rank scrub do not match me with Mr. XXX plays splatoon as a job hardcore ascension mode. Shove them in their own little pedestal with other ascended beings and let me enjoy playing with equally or closely skilled players. There is nothing fun about fighting against someone playing splatoon with only his mind as he plays 4d chess with god.

[@SingingDragons11]

@@silverwing4153 That is a very fair point. Good match making makes a huge difference, it’s never fun to be be completely stomped on and winning isn’t enjoyable when the other team can’t fight back.

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

@@SingingDragons11 The issue is Splatoon 3 right now does not have good matchmaking, at all. Which is why casual players are running into Splatoon 2 X rankers so dang often that there's been a spike in complaining about tryhards and sweats. The reason people get mad is because they get put in these clearly unbalanced matches repeatedly and lose over and over because of the garbage matchmaking. Personally when I am in turf against a less skilled team I'm not going to try as hard against them because a) the matchmaking is unfair to start with and b) I don't find joy in ruining other people's ability to enjoy their matches. These X rankers and Splatoon gods can exist just fine on their own if the matchmaking kept them away from noob players, but it literally pairs them up all the time and it's just infuriating.

[@codywasson5894]

Even though I’m a casual player for Splatoon I have to agree with you about splatfests no joke I got screwed out of two 10x clout battles because of disconnects and one guy was on my team during a 10x battle it sucks.

[@blanketray6050]

The funniest part of tricolor, to me, is that defense cant initiate a tricolor battle, but even when an offender selects a tricolor battle, they aren’t guaranteed to get a battle anyway. So what’s the point of having separate options for open battles and tricolor battles if you aren’t gonna get a tricolor battle anyway?

[@nin7744]

as a new player in splatoon 3, i spent most of my first splatfest screaming and dying in terf war, then my second one only playing salmon run

[@musical_disgrace]

"Just a weekend-long race war" 😂

[@robynmarthabridson]

Remember don't get mad your teamate uses the undercover brella be mad they got 1 kill and 0 specials

[@rottingteethh]

i had a tricolour turf war, and it was water defending, my teammate and i on fire were so close to winning and then we got hit with a communication error and my game crashed. didn't even bother rebooting

[@haoyu53]

I think they designed tri-color as a comeback mechanic for the losing teams in splatfest, as in the defending team has an inherent disadvantage. The asymmetry is intentional. I do agree there should be special stages tho

[@Slipper81]

I think that turf war could be fixed with one feature: TIME BASED CHECKPOINTS. Basically, every minute, paint coverage would be calculated and if one side got the checkpoint, the opposing team could have a chance to come back. If one side gets 2 checkpoints, they win instantly. This applies to any point in time during the match, meaning turf wars COULD last for only 2 minutes. This is better because: 1. If a team is winning, the other team isn’t forced to endure the suffering of people who have poured thousands of hours into the game for an extra minute 2. It keeps the bullshit of winning for the first 2 minutes and losing to the 3rd out, which has happened to me way too many times. also I never knew that pro is better for solo queue. Good vid!

[@jakcesleepingrn5739]

Disconnecting when losing is more a heroic sacrifice rather than rage quit in ranked modes... But not in splatfests ;)

[@jasonshan9028]

They should make a pichu vs pikachu vs raichu splatfest.... oh wait everyone would choose pikachu. Gear sweep 2.0

[@PotatoWizard_]

As a splatling main, way to many people just rush me for no reason completely oblivious to the fact that I can… ya know, charge quickly and kill them with my fast kill time. They are really stupid.

[@zsDUGGZ]

Defending this time around was a lot of fun with my splatana stamper. Anyone who got to center got chainsaw murdered cuz I was lurking around the corner

[@Xgil2Play]

I had written a long comment about the changes, but then I asked myself why bother? Nintendo won't change it and honestly they shouldn't. What they should do is bring the unique maps back with different mechanics. Not because I care about what new ideas they have, but because they have a backlog of stages they refuse to use. Other than that I genuinely don't have a problem with Splatfests. It's like they're telling us to stop getting serious and have fun for once. I don't mind that.

[@whitedarkness11756]

Last splatfest tri color battles didn't happen as often because team Grub had barely any players. I was team Fun and I had 6 tri color battles in a row the afternoon they became available. Gear had so many players I know they were getting just a ton of mirror matches. Hard to team up three different teams when one team had way less players I'd imagine. The latest splatfest feels more even among the three choices, I bet we get a lot more tricolor battles this go round.

[@cantrip7]

Oh man, I would LOVE to play a version of Turf War that locks out sections of the map over time. Kinda wish I got Splatoon 2...

[@noborge]

Another problem is that in order to play the event exclusive gamemode (tricolor turf war) you have to queue up for the open matchmaking, at least if playing defense, and then it still isnt even guaranteed.

[@goodvibes9785]

Agreed. Yes to ranked battles in splatfests. Not having shifty station feels lazy and it makes perfect senes for it to be for 3v3v3.

[@Opti-Miser]

Me with 300 hours in turf war because ranked is scary 😌

[@asterthehedgehog6861]

Shifty Station this…Shifty Station that… Did you guys forget those only were introduced during the END of Splatoon 2’s run?? We had Octo Expansion before that happened and the last Splatfest was on a map based off Octo Expansion’s ending. And what’s this about Turf War being “baby mode”? This is the mode I play mostly 24/7 because I HATE being in the Ranked modes. That is where you will most likely run into people who have played TF2, OverWatch, COD or other extremely competitive games. I’m more into Splatoon’s world and characters than I am at being “the best like no one ever was”. But everyone treats it like there is no other option but to be competitive around the clock.

[@asterthehedgehog6861]

To most Splatoon players, Splatfests are meant for them to win bragging rights. It’s not like we get any exclusive gear for our teams for playing them.

[@stardagirl]

pikachu! i really agree with all if not most points you've made here. especially shifty stations/custom maps for tricolor and 3v3v3. tricolor is a simple concept yet the way they handled it is so confusing.

[@PlasmaBald]

Bunker Games was the most fun turf war has ever been. A friend of mine suggested thunderdome turf war as its own gamemode, and frankly I think that’s brilliant

[@greenxclips1733]

Thanks for the psa about ragequitting it’s gotten really bad with splatoon 3 I never experienced this much rage quitting in splatoon 2

[@Autiscat]

liked instantly because of danganronpa reference

[@jackygemme863]

We can’t let shiver win pick water

[@alohaisland9999]

I think Splatfests are generally flawed, they're going through changes constantly and no one ever seems to be satisfied with how they work. I think they're the most fun in Splatoon 3, Tri Color is really fun and I felt I was winning and losing at a similar rate. I also think the current weapon meta is focused on slaying rather than turf inking.

[@Katie-hj5eb]

I just hope we get a big run sooner than later

[@goldiia]

The unacceptable Agnés part had me laughing. Did not see that coming. 🤣 Great video 👌

[@Notester82]

Ah, the "paint-as-you-go" plan, good point! Helps with zipping back into the action quicker, like Pikachu's Up-B in Smash. .u.

[@konojereda1993]

This is the most accurate summary of what me and my friends were going through in the Pokemon Splatfest. I hope they fix at least some of these issues, especially for Tricolor, being the defending team just sucks major balls. Also I would love some unique maps, that would at least make it feel more special

[@zsDUGGZ]

I pretty much had zero problems with tricolor this time around, but the flaws are there. Out of all the tricolor battles I got (enough where I could get the 10 tricolor wins badge) I only lost like 4 times. It was the mode I was looking forward to this splatfest cuz of how well I was doing.

[@rainecloud905]

Also, from what I’ve VERY recent experienced: The com errors. I’ve had about 7 games in the last hour just stop in the middle because of it. It typically doesn’t happen NEARLY as much to me at least, but right now, not going well

[@shannonhybridchu6852]

Pikachu I definitely agree that ranked modes should be added to splatfest for those who are more experienced in the splatoon community

[@jgn]

nah the way to win turf war is to initiate spawn camping like it's rainbow six vegas 2