The Problems with Regulating Hate Speech | Jordan Peterson

In this clip, Jordan Peterson follows through to the logical conclusion of hate speech regulation.
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[@tonyharris7953]

Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles. ❤️✌️

[@ZaneGreenSA]

As a kid we had a saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never harm me" - I'd love to hear Jordan unpack the psychology of people "being offended"

[@leonidfro8302]

You see, when it will come to "stick and stones", it's usually too late for debate. When angry mob coming for you, because you happened to be the "wrong" kind of people, it won't matter whether you're offended or not.

[@leonidfro8302]

You see, when it will come to "stick and stones", it's usually too late for debate. When angry mob coming for you, because you happened to be the "wrong" kind of people, it won't matter whether you're offended or not.

[@jaydabelliou3186]

They mostly act „as if offended“

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Being an azzhole is now confused with being a 'patriot'.

[@ZaneGreenSA]

@@leonidfro8302 I hear you. I meant it in the context of being easily offended, that said, I also get that words can be a precursor to intent and action, and so we need to pay attention.

[@boli4203]

"Pathologically naive"... I've never heard a more succinct and accurate description of Liberals. Jordan is a master communicator.

[@tonyrandall3146]

The same people can be hyper aggressive when you question their vision of utopia. That is not liberalism.

[@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294]

Nothing liberal about Liberals in Canada. Utopian ideals always lead to illiberal authoritarianism

[@banta-pd8zj]

A state premier in Australia recently updated the public holidays list by identifying the day, but not the label, eg Dec 25th is a public holiday but the amended bill did not call it Christmas Day. The outrage that it was not officially recognised as Xmas day was interpreted as an attack on all Christian values. No-one but no-one is easiest to offend and with so little justification than your self righteous conservative. The difference between progressives and conservatives is that the relationship between hate speech and violence is actually measurable. That is where the offence is generated. That is why conservatives get angry. The avenue to act out their hatred is denied them, and quite rightly. Jordan Peterson is a hack.

[@khchoi2012]

Pathological naive represents some kinda disease, does it?

[@Springheel01]

Jordan is a smart man, but saying he is a master communicator is a bit of a stretch. You have to work pretty hard to figure out what he is getting at sometimes, especially if you don't already agree with his position, which is why he is so frequently misunderstood.

[@williambyrne6855]

Exactly. No individual, institution, or government is in a position to define the definitively indefinite, private nature of "hate".

[@lkyuvsad]

We can't precisely define "reasonable doubt", either, or "s*xual assault", or "harrassment" or... Whatever- pick a law you agree with and you'll find a word in there somewhere that needs a human in a courtroom to interpret it. You can't have a legal system without human interpretation. It's not possible.

[@tonyrandall3146]

I may not be a smart man but I know what love is

[@m.chumakov1033]

@@lkyuvsad Well that's a corner stone of corruption when the laws are so vague that everything depends on interpretation by one person in power. That's how laws "work" in all post-Soviet countries where every judge and prosecutor is a multi-millionaire.

[@mchristr]

@@lkyuvsad How can one person know which ideas inspired the words of another? "Hate speech" criminalizes thought rather than action.

[@buffalobill2874]

​@@m.chumakov1033 I need this job for me ❤

[@andersdottir1111]

Exactly- what one person denounced as ‘hate’ another says it’s common sense.

[@deanmccrorie3461]

And vice versa

[@michaelphillips2079]

​@@deanmccrorie3461usually common sense is defined as hate if you're weak minded or have an infantile mentality.

[@mohamedali2858]

Why is Elon Musk facing all this injustice in order to embrace the disciplined freedom of expression under the law⁉️👇👇 1. The White House issued a depling statement 2. EU denounced Musk’s stance 3. Major international companies have boycotted platform X. And we don’t know, he could face trials and more harm.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@andersdottir1111]

@@Stafus being polite and ‘human’ is exactly what Peterson is - only someone seriously anti-social could possibly see wrong in his opinions. I suggest you read his work before you parrot opinions of NPCs like yourself.

[@ianmclaughlin8987]

Jordan Peterson is a brilliant man that speaks words of truth, I agree with him and worry not enough people will push back against those whom wish to cancel free speech.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@oldgoat142]

@@Stafus Aw, poor baby. Were you offended? Pitiful.

[@Stafus]

@@oldgoat142 I was an infantry soldier, boxer, marksman and i've got 8 inches. offended ? peterson is inferior to me and so are apes like you.

[@wstavis3135]

​@Kee485 really? Based on what actual evidence? I've never seen Dr Peterson be hateful or rude. Have you? Of course not. What you're relying on in your specious attack, is for the person reading it to have never watched enough of his talks to have a valid opinion of it, and to take your word and that of others. You have nothing to rely on but slander.

[@Stafus]

@@wstavis3135 he has said people on the left are worse than animals. he says we just pretend to care. trust me peterson is wrong. you are not smart enough to know how wrong he is and that's on you.

[@tonyharris7953]

Free speech is a million times more important than the content of speech. ❤️✌️

[@deeestuary]

The word hate has changed its meaning, and means different things to different people. It used to mean having a very strong dislike of somebody or something. Now if you make a mild negative comment it’s called hate, or if you say you like player A more than player B, then you are hating player B - apparently.

[@saltburner2]

Jordan thinks everything through to its conclusion - if only more people did we would not be in this mess.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@niccosalonga9009]

​@@StafusWell that's rather rude of you to dehumanize people. Should your speech perhaps be regulated? 😁

[@micheleparadis2808]

@@Stafus This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being polite. Get off your high donkey and TRY to understand what he's talking about, which you obviously don't or can't do

[@Spencerianism]

Beautifully spoken. 👏

[@mykelessien3373]

@Kee485 At this point I am wondering if you are a bot.

[@wanfu5634]

Just as you cannot tax your way to prosperity, you cannot legislate your way to morality.

[@j.curtis902]

Exactly. I say all the time…”You can’t legislate kindness.”

[@kat-75]

The language of other people is important, if people get super offended, they should stay away from those people and not intereact. Freedom of speech is important, freedom of expression.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@zachkoontz4864]

They ARE human, thats why its so difficult for the programmable neck bulb clones to understand such "complicated" assessments and conversations!!!!

[@bape890]

This is such a non-comment. Added nothing of value. @@Stafus

[@richards4986]

​​@@StafusHe wasn't talking about being polite which is a given in most situations. But being offended by somethings is personal to the person who takes offence. Other people hearing same thing may not be offended. What happens then? Who decides what is offensive and what isn't ? in order to prosecute for offending someone. Can you define what it is? And its not just about swear words. Its anything that goes against what you or i believe. Its opinions that we all have about something.

[@shanematt]

​@@StafusI find your words offensive

[@nnikiforou]

My standard response to anyone who says to me "What you just did/said offends me" is: "Why are you giving me so much power over you?"

[@anthonymorris5084]

I just tell them they have the right to be offended.

[@paulw5039]

@@anthonymorris5084 I tell them "so what?". They think that means they have power over you, but it's actually meaningless, just vapid emotional blather.

[@nnikiforou]

@@paulw5039 Another good response is "That's none of my business".

[@thesaneparty4079]

The problem with regulating hate speech is that some ideas and some people deserve to be hated, and the future of society depends upon people knowing why they deserve to be hated.

[@HamasTearEnjoyer]

Absolutely, I am so sick of the extreme left telling me I am not allowed to hate cultures that want to upend our humanist society and replace it with a barbaric dystopia.

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

The problem with this is that the internet allows for so much anonymity that people often are NOT held accountable for their speech.

[@nigelliam153]

@@MichaelJames-lz7ni so should there be different sets of rules for people standing up on a platform speaking and people who are using online platforms?

[@noblekitten336]

The future does depend on it. Now, criticizing an idea is twisted to say that you hate the actual people that fall for it.

[@peterpan1435]

Emotions cannot be legislated against.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@wstavis3135]

​​@@Stafuswhat would a bot, like you, know about being human?

[@shanematt]

​@@Stafusthat's offensive.

[@pamcornelius9122]

Spot on. Keep putting the truth out there!

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@pamcornelius9122]

@@Stafus Thanks for the polite response.

[@thel1355]

They don't think that nobody should be offended. They think that some people should never be offended and it's open season on other people.

[@OhBeNice]

This is happening in Ireland now. And this nonsense is becoming so very prevalent in so many western countries. Scary times.

[@robertoguidone7951]

I agree. The more people you reach, the more people you offend. It's a numbers game. So, what to do? Do you not say anything? Most people will not say or do something because they can't bear being judged by others.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@robertoguidone7951]

@Kee485 Yes, and you're very polite. There's nothing like a human calling another person human. Don't get too carried away... you may reach ten people one day. Bless you.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Every politician in the Western world needs to see this.

[@marcus3457]

I don't assume people will never be offended. In a healthy society however chronically offended people would be recognized for what they truly are ... immature.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@marcus3457]

@@Stafus That makes no sense. Go be miserable somewhere else please.

[@wstavis3135]

​@@Stafusas a bot, you're insanely childish and uninteresting.

[@rosc2022]

​@@StafusThere's a whole lot of background context missing from your statement. There was nothing rude in this video clip.

[@paulw5039]

@@Stafus And yet you're being the rude one here. Zero self-awareness.

[@robertkerr9624]

Only in liberty do we have the right to be offended...

[@thanksfernuthin]

It's a excellent encapsulation of the issue. When I heard he "got" Cathy Newman when she said "Why should your right to free speech outweigh someone's right not to be offended." I immediately thought he was going to say "Since when does ANYONE have a RIGHT not to be offended?!!". He did get her with his logic but I was really disappointed. If there are people that think they have a right not to be offended they need to be humiliated immediately for all the reasons he just excellently pointed out.

[@yt.damian]

He pretty much says it in the lead up.

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@yt.damian If I understand your reply, yes. As I mentioned he describes it perfectly here. I wish he had with Cathy Newman. Or I don't understand your point which is extremely possible.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@yt.damian]

Peterson is polite unless the message requires some uncomfortable truths. What *precisely* is it you object to? @@Stafus

[@yt.damian]

Its very interesting that you post this on a comment about the Peterson and Newman interview when it was Newman who spent the whole interview straw manning Peterson and attempting to trap him or trick him. Her behavior was very impolite at the very least. Peterson was a complete gentleman. @@Stafus

[@jeffball6108]

It astounds me that today in the public domain, that hate needs to be defined, which it clearly does. If you had asked that question 50 years ago it would have been nonsensical.

[@Oissst2012]

For short.. RICH PEOPLES NONSENSE KICKING POOR PEOPLES DAILY LIFE. 💯👌

[@neilreynolds3858]

What they really want is to be able to tell you what to feel and unfortunately it is possible to tell people how they should feel and make them feel that way. I went to a lecture one time where the first thing the speaker did was tell us how to feel about something in the news. I walked out immediately but not many people did. Being told how to feel does not bring up instant disgust like it should. The people who define hate speech can make you hate.

[@m.chumakov1033]

Same problem is with definition of discrimination. Canada now has gender identification in the Canadian Charter of Human Rights. So if I refuse to hire a human who identifies as a wolf I am in violation of law and can be jailed. If a well-hung hairy 7ft monster who identifies as a 11y.o. girl is refused access to a female only spa, locker room or swimming competition the authorities can be prosecuted. Isn't it a bit crazy?

[@SteveEdwardCooper]

Well said. Very well said.

[@alanwilson3661]

Yes, Mr Peterson you are right. Who defines hate is really the issue.

[@DaDoctorJ]

This guy in 3 minutes makes more sense than a thousand politicians in 30 years.

[@SanphireJaide7]

Truth is offensive to tyrants, the woke brigade, and liars. So do we stop sharing the truth? Or do we have the courage to call their bluff and refuse to bow to their emotional blackmail? I opt for the latter.

[@tommcfadden5232]

The next question is: Who defines or determines what’s offensive? How do we make something that is subjective, like being offended, objective? What’s the criteria that should be used? This seems like an exercise in futility.

[@microy]

in the 60-70's we all had "Pet" names for all the various ethnic group including my own. no one ever took it too seriously and freely mixed. Was the era of peace and love man...

[@josevaz5147]

That's the best speech i've ever listened about that matter.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

*We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us."* - Vladimir Lenin

[@justoldog]

"hate speech" is often that speech that those in charge hate to hear.

[@shannonmakhanian1365]

Hahaha I brought this up to my friend yesterday 😂😂

[@ARGAMING-oc1zv]

I was having lunch and when Jordan Peterson spoke I stopped just to listen to him. He makes a lot of sense. I don't know any other intellectual who can match his precision.

[@mattwilliams3427]

Ireland is demonstrating just how tyrannical this idea can become.

[@rowanaforrest9792]

What's happening about "hate speech" in Ireland? I'm genuinely curious.

[@mattwilliams3427]

@@rowanaforrest9792 interesting…my reply has been deleted. To sum up and not type everything over again. Ireland is proposing a law to be able to charge and convict people of “hate speech” based on even the possession of digital material on their phones such as memes. So one could be thrown in jail for possession, or distribution, of a meme that is considered offensive and “harmful” as deemed so by the government.

[@rowanaforrest9792]

@@mattwilliams3427 Yikes! Talk about thought police! That's something I'd expect China or North Korea to do -- not Ireland. They should know better than to even entertain such an idea.

[@mattwilliams3427]

@@rowanaforrest9792 agreed. These are troubling times.

[@micheleparadis2808]

Couldn't agree more

[@thelolguy007]

It’s happening in Ireland right now 🤦‍♂️

[@donsullivan1137]

Jordan is correctly pointing out the difference between hate and hateful……. Whether it’s speech or crime….it’s subjective and the last thing you want is for it to be somehow regulated by government.

[@bb001a]

Hear hear!

[@t9j6c6j51]

I’ve honestly been saying this for years. Thanks JP.

[@c.galindo9639]

He recognizes the true essence of humanity to its core. That is why he knows a subjective idea will face objectivity. A brilliant man

[@user-bx4vw4tq2i]

Expands my horizons👅

[@tanjasmit7535]

Ughhh....just love this man's intellect and wisdom 👌🏼🇿🇦

[@hansgjerstad8895]

Why, the Ministry of Truth, of course!

[@spektr540hemi]

Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin and the folks at The Daily Wire need to take this to heart...AGAIN !! "I abhor what you say, yet I will defend to the death your RIGHT to say it !"

[@DruuzilTechGames]

0:02 - No there is not. It's still just speech.

[@bentonrp]

As soon as you try to define hate speech, then immediately the manipulative liars who "behave" the most offended are always the ones allowed to set the terms.

[@perryedwards4746]

very very wise

[@DonTruman]

And to have leaders of society forcing such destructive brain mush on us all. Just Say No.

[@sketchartist1964]

All those who hate this video should recognize the truth in what he's saying.

[@chrisharris4047]

a great point

[@CCharles0519]

What some consider as "hate speech", is nothing but an inseparable part of free speech. But by no means does that suggest that one personally agrees with beliefs held by another. If "hate speech" is to be dealt with at all, it must first be confronted with dialogue, before anything else. Therefore, if we think of it as such, how many nations truly have free speech?

[@1258-Eckhart]

Hate is a form of love.

[@user-vq1xg9um2g]

Surely arguing that any particular category of people, eg unborn people, do not have a right to life and may be killed (usually in horrifying pain) is the ultimate in hate speech and should be banned.

[@niall4588]

All of the deputies in Dail Eireann (the Irish parliament) should be forced to watch this clip.

[@WRPUS471]

I've been waiting for someone to ask this question. Now explain why it is wrong.

[@kurtamesbury6679]

What a wonderful condemnation of the censors here on KZbin!

[@davidthibodeau5775]

We live in a world of miserable boring depressing jealous haters losers

[@gbone7581]

Now you have offended me!

[@davidthibodeau5775]

@@gbone7581 cheers

[@outbackgearforu]

That about sums it up,and it all stems from a neo Marxist view of the oppressed and the oppressor

[@user-kl3nl1iv4w]

Thank you dr Jordan…….

[@Morningstar-xz5bl]

Are you listening Irish politicians, Leo and Mehole Martin, Helen McKinty justice minister, Drew Harris Garda chief, RTE state media. NO? Didn't think so😢

[@sirbollocks609]

I could not agree more, in fact I would go as far to say that during a discussion involving firmly held and differing ideas I would expect to be offended as part of the discussion, how else can we learn from each other while debating topics on which we may very well be diametrically opposed, the point is to understand the offence is held by you, and see through this to the rationale for the point being made. Also hate speech as I believe has been mentioned before is already covered under the law covering incitement, may be wrong about that not a lawyer. Off to watch the full interview later.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Agreed. People want to control speech solely because they don't like what you're saying and wish to silence your opinion.

[@barbburns2122]

Exactly. .....

[@The_New_IKB]

Somepeople deserve to be offended!

[@sharoncoble6109]

Yes !

[@kirkyoung5266]

Yup 👍

[@douglashouston81]

Sheer brilliance

[@pmks4]

How do you measure it? With your digital turbo-charged spectrum analyzing environmentally safe hate meter. In other words it’s based on how the person judging feels or he just pulls it out of his arse.

[@iana6839]

totally agree with him on this point.

[@1111shee]

Offense is so subjective. Some just have thicker skin than others. But...verbal attacks can & often does result in greater lasting damage than physical attacks. What to do? 🤔

[@anthonymorris5084]

Walk away.

[@jennyobrien398]

Well said Jordan

[@jgestiot]

In my book Divine Projection: How and Why Humans Created God", the very first chapter "The RIght to offend" is devoted to this topic. One of the examples I use is the right for women to vote. Once upon a time, women's suffrage was a very offensive topic to many. Censortship of opinions because they may offend always leads to a society stagnating instead of progressing. You only need to take a look at the kind if freedom of expression they have in Muslim countries.

[@michaelphillips2079]

You may not have noticed that one side feels free to say all kinds of offensive things, but tries to prohibit the other side from countering. I think we know which side is which. If not, I'll be happy to educate you.

[@Stafus]

being polite is too complicated for peterson and his fans, we should feel sorry for them because being human is a little bit too difficult for them.

[@wstavis3135]

​@@Stafusso how is your bot set up? This inane spam comment is on almost every post, even one like this where it makes no sense whatsoever.

[@Meerkatx5]

You can take any example to that absolute extreme to prove your point, but that's absurd. You can reasonably limit hate speech without passing a ban on speaking all together. JP is an expert commutator and I agree with him on most things, then he says stuff like this... People need to be able to have hard conversations without being easily offended, and we need to stop thinking in absolutes.

[@lekanraposte6732]

When someone in authority define *_"HATE SPEECH,"_* they truly mean "speech that THEY hate."

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

I find the idea that "nobody should be allowed to offend you" offensive. FWIW: that's not just a logic bomb for people who want to outlaw offensive speech, but it's also the literal truth. OTOH I also think that being offended isn't something that should just be dismissed. Rather I think offensive words and actions should fall in the gap between where things become totally socially acceptable on one side and where they become legally unacceptable on the other. And there needs to be that gap.

[@InternetDarkLord]

Not only that, people keep saying far more physical things cannot be defined. If you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman, how can you tell the difference between hate/nonhate? Why is an emotion so much easier to define than gender? Woke people just say something can't be defined when they want not to define it.

[@mauricettescheyvaerts2349]

Des prieres massives musulmanes de rue au Canada par exemple n est ce pas une declaration de haine ou de guerre?

[@gecequshu]

Agree

[@mikedavis1069]

The best defense is a good offence. To become offended is for most just a defensive posture. The strategy is to become so indignant as to appear to be right. Being offended doesn't make you right. Just saying...

[@momochago2136]

I agree

[@squirelly6175]

Who thinks that? Canadian voters.

[@tompommerel2136]

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@flaviusjustinianus]

German established hate speech regulation since ww2 to prevent clear incitment of violence towards a race, group or religion is working pretty well, as it does in Austria. It is forbidden to wear/show swasticas, use nazi slogans etc. And now chanting from the river to the sea ... Is forbidden because of its antisemetic use.

[@runstrumshoot7869]

Frustrustratingly true.

[@shanedoyle8933]

who chooses to not define hate?

[@brosrcool]

Hate speech? Depending on who you ask there are 25 different emotions. Example adoration, calmness, interest. Is there "calmness speech" What about trust. That's an emotion. Is there "trust speech" What about sadness? Have you ever thought you were listening to "sadness speech" IMO there is only speech.

[@lorisnaith9650]

Hate = verb Hatred = noun

[@hmtqnikitashakur3399]

hate is a human emotion. how does anyone regulate "hate speech"? how can you police an emotion?

[@jaydabelliou3186]

It’s not pathological naive imo. It’s intentional by academics, whom know the evil consequences exactly and push in that direction with their grinding compassion- masks

[@Treker-yv7nz]

It would be easier to intentionally offend everyone

[@dianehghzn7670]

Empty mind equals peace no thoughts no conflict no wrong speech is kindness and wisdom meditate and you will be peacefull and eventually enlightenment??? !!! Love and compassion doesnt have room for hate speech have you ever heard HHDLLAMA speack one word of hate ???? No offcourse Not when your in the presence of pure love ❤️ you’ll know it and there is no desire for anything else but that amazing space that other worldly experiences of endless love ❤️ Om Ah Hum

[@pacarter7169]

Every word has a definition… but it seems as though those definitions are being overlooked as Neanderthal language.

[@haoli2382]

"This guy often comes across as angry, seemingly disliking it when things don't go his way. If someone who doesn't speak English were to hear him, might mistake his frustration for hateful speech against the world."

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

I say hateful and racists things including the n-wors all day long every day but my speech impediment makes my words come out only as indecipherable grunts and groans. I say these things and mean it but no one is hurt by it.

[@MatthewSmith-cp3hu]

threats yes but hate no, i don't think hate is illegal, you shouldn't hate because its bad for you and not good for others but people don't have to like you

[@noblekitten336]

I hate practices like the lobotomy, expressing a dislike for that. It's up to the censors whether to consider that hate speech. Imagine criticizing the lobotomy and getting muted for it.

[@krisandersen8695]

He's right. Someone will ALWAYS be "offended". As an example: "God Exists" would offend those that do not believe in God. "God Doesn't Exist" would offend those that do believe in God. Neither side has any concrete proof, and that statement would offend both groups.

[@unforseenconsequense]

People being offended is so annoying. How about we make rules for those who have new ideas instead?

[@Console-gamer]

No one has the right to not be offended.