The Prophecy of Fontaine and Rene's World Formula (Genshin Impact 4.0 Lore, Theory, and Speculation)

[@hparkes93]

I cannot stress how happy I am to see you covering this lore. I am obsessed with this stuff and how it ties with the adventure team quest.

[@sheevismycity4789]

Same

[@Zarozian]

Elynas was so cute.

[@EthHawke94]

Albedo sure has an army of Brothers Amiright? 😂

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​​​@@EthHawke94i swear the family reunion will be wild Gold: are you winning sons? Golden wolflord and the rifthound of inazuma:we were winning but we get our ass beaten by raiden because time travel bullshit Durin: well instead of einning i had thought to sing and dancing with a beatiful dragon before realizing that i was fighting to death and had my throat bited off but hey at least i died happy Elynas:saaame bro i was having so much fun before realizing that i was doing bad things but hey at least with my death i became the mother of the melusines! Every abyssal beast:wait now we are uncles? Albedo:i have already one little sister and is enough Susbedo:uh actually they would be our niece🤓 Albedo:wow jealousy is a bad beast uh? Susbedo:you would be jealous of me i was almost able to replace you🤬#@! Elynas: i believe that brother susbedo wanto to "play" with brother albedo Susbedo:wait playng? Ohh "playng" Albedo:yea about that mother why our nature is fucked up? Gold: the fault is of your father Everyone:WAIT WE HAVE A FATHER? gold:yes is the abyss obviously Everyone:😑 Din don* Alice: hello gold i am alice i want to partecipate in the reunion and i have bringed a surprise Gold:surely but first who is the surprise Alice:is klee Albedo:DONT LET HER NEAR TO ELYNAS elynas:you seem a fun person you would like to play with me? klee:yes at klee like very much play with jumpty dumpty Susbedo:SOMEONE CALL JEAN PLEASE Albedo:WE ARE DOOMED ITS ALL YOUR FAULT AUNT ALICE! alice:oopsie klee:boom boom bakudan! Everyone:FU- sound of big explosion

[@catz_ee]

I was thinking about Albedo's perception of the world, and from the way his paintings actually look like the things they portray/how he can interact with regular humans without terrifying them I don't think he's the same as Durin or Elynas. Maybe that was Gold's "success" with Albedo, creating a form of life without using a consciousness from the Abyss. From what Elynas describes, it's clear that he existed before Gold embodied him on Teyvat, as such, his perception of the world was limited by what he truly was. For Albedo, perhaps it was her first success in creating truly new life- instead of just creating a body for something that already existed.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

For what i think with albedo and susbedo she was able to put real humanity in them and this explain why albedo can control his abyssal part because he is not a creature of the abyss he is a mix

[@Pixieebub]

The Arlecchino connection might explain why her hands look that. If they were researching Abyssal creatures and she was somehow related to Rene she could also have been a part of the experiments?

[@dotthedot9080]

That could also explain her eyes and her serious lack of expressed emotion outside of particular instances, as well as how she could theoretically manipulate a delusion without being an allogene while suffering no side effects, or even a natural manipulation of the elements by herself, carrying a delusion to serve as a cover-up

[@GenshinLover283]

@@dotthedot9080 also, her hands.

[@dotthedot9080]

@@GenshinLover283 that was said in the original comment

[@hanumfm4278]

What do you mean by lack of expression?

[@tea.is.going.insane]

Narzissenkreuz is an incredible plot, and I hope it enters the archon quests somehow... it's genius and really interesting. I wonder if the experiments and all the things they are studying could awaken the Heavenly Principles in case they discover something too profound...

[@roozeveltfox]

Jakob's already been directly mentioned in Act 2 of the archon quest so I think there are plenty of ways they can integrate the core Narzissenkreuz plot/characters without relying on world quests!

[@Chuwa108]

i dont remember this. When was he mentioned

[@thelurker8169]

​@@Chuwa108When you're investigating Vacher / Marcel's base one of the evidences says that most of what he knows about Primordial Seawater came from Jakob's notes

[@TheRagnarose]

They really outdid themselves with the lore in this patch, it's so good. I hope it ends up tying into the main quest later on. Also I'm curious about how the Melusines perceive the world, if they see everything "inverted" like Elynas and Durin, they see Traveler as a monster that can destroy the world, which means he's the opposite and that makes sense, but they also see Paimon as a ball of rainbows...

[@justmyself5465]

The question is, who paimon really is...woah

[@paolapieretti6832]

A ball of rainbows with STRINGS that extends "upwards" to the sky. Now naturally you'd think Celestia, but if melusines see all things reversed, what does it actually mean??? Well at least it all kinda fits the whole demon names from Ars Goetia thing.

[@jirosaves_theworld]

i'm still a guy who believe, Genshin Last boss are Paimon herself

[@LordYoni]

Y'all forgot that the little girl saw things differently from the other melusines. That's not the standard for Melusines (not saying it's wrong though)

[@TheRagnarose]

@@LordYoni Dunno other melusines also seem to see things differently like the one that says that flowers are too bright to look at or another one that thinks the sun is black

[@hania264]

When that melusine said that aether looks like a beast who would swallow the world i 💀💀💀- What elynas said made me think of durin too, the point you brought up with albedo makes me curious of his perception as well

[@anacalcada773]

I am going INSANE with the Fontaine lore, it keeps getting darker and darker but also better and better :D, thank you so much for making this video because with all the things going on in Fontaine my brian stopped braining ;-;, i hope so much we also get more Abyss lore in Fontaine since the Abyss and Khaenri'ah are my favourite Genshin subjects :>

[@Phantom_Zone]

I mean really. Here I thought, Sumeru had the biggest lore drop.

[@MINERVA-X077]

Also Sonny the white glove from one of the side quests-his way of dealing with Virgil was just eerie af. I can’t find him anywhere after it ended

[@2jb837]

I mean Fontaine is the first region where Mass slavery and Genocide of different peoples was confirmed.

[@acherthecat8316]

@@MINERVA-X077 You can find Sonny and Luca chilling in the sewer part of fontaine city

[@maplebreeze_]

darker yet darker..

[@SirSailorStar]

If Arlecchino isn't actually concerned about Fontaine, I think Genshin will have missed an opportunity to showcase how the Fatui mean well but miss the mark.

[@elienasoleil]

didnt they lose it when they took dottore to their ranks?

[@SirSailorStar]

@elienasoleil the story constantly says some fatui are evil while others are not so no They just don't care to show much good for their supervillains

[@fatcat4642]

Mihoyo cant write villains.

[@batteriesnotincluded4734]

Isnt it mentioned at the end of lyney's trial that arleccino wants to use the hydro gnosis to save fontaine from the prophecy before giving it to the tsaritsa?

[@jsw973]

​@@batteriesnotincluded4734keyword "mentioned"

[@phatbeatz1311]

Rene doing the Human Instrumentality Project in Eva to Fontainians

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Yeah. Which is what Project Stigma was in Honkai as well.

[@HyruIia]

Glad to see Fontaine inherits from Khaneri'ah's legacy and builds upon it, humans ascension is the way for overcoming the shackles of the world but it's weird that Celestia is still sleeping like they're not even caring..

[@darkspinegaming8213]

Sleeping for now, you forget Celestia seems to be above a part of Fontaine we haven't got added to the game yet. They also have 2 more nails they can drop onto Teyvat, just like the ones in dragon spine and the chasm.

[@i.ncendium]

@@darkspinegaming8213they also dropped one in the desert. Honestly,, missed opportunity to actually show it in the map. Remember Apep said the desert used to be forest too, until celestia bombed it and everything turned to sand.

[@GenshinLover283]

@@i.ncendium isn't it implied that Amun(Deshrets' real name, I believe) used it to create the Eternal Oasis?

[@hermannfernandes9510]

​@@i.ncendiumwe Will probably get there one day. Remember: - Jeht's story is unfinished - We still can't get too close to the sandstorm center, at least walking on the surface - We may have Jakob and Reneé's expedition lore there - If everything I said don't take us there, there is also the Dainsleaf Factor

[@davidpooch6377]

​@@hermannfernandes9510and the door to Gurabad is still closed. Its the place where the Jinn left us.

[@Servalsno1fan]

Fontaine is an evolution to previous versions, Fontaine world quests are directly connected to the Archon quest and not just showing hints of world quest' deep lore. Since the Archon quest is incomplete means that there is a chance that world quest characters could finally show up in the Archon quest, Genshin has never done this before where world quest characters remained as side characters never mentioned in the Archon Quest. cmiiw

[@vanessachowjiaying4423]

Though the good thing is that all connected lore is confined within the game, though time consuming and lots of reading. Unlike their parent story Honkai, in which their stories are scattered within several media; game, manga, visual novel etc. It's likely developers learned from the mistake of scattered lore into several media, thus compiling all available lore within Genshin, which can work due to its open world nature.

[@spreadhappiness3250]

Rene is such an interesting character to me , great video as always!

[@tine1396]

I think it's interesting that Neuvillette seem to have "appeared" in Fontaine more or less 400 years ago too.. the hydro dragon HAVE to be connected to the primordial sea.. perhaps the sea is inside his body the same way that apep have her own forest/world inside her body

[@emberya9561]

It's interesting how Neuvillette is very busy yet he somehow managed to attend Lyney's magical show where that water was used. Maybe it's just a coincidence yet it was clearly stated it's rarity to see him attend things so maybe hoyo will do something with that.

[@crystaluwu1012]

@@emberya9561 No, because Neuvilette was on day off that time, and the performance was being done inside the court, the place where he works, Furina is a very busy person too, and i suppose they just had a days off, since they were also probably anticipating the Travellers arrival.

[@claudiamorgan39]

Something to add: If you look at the nymphs dream artifact carefully, Rene is probably the dragon and the hero is Alain, and those were the roles they played when they were kids at the orphanage.

[@roozeveltfox]

that's kinda what I was going for in my thumbnail ;) Rene/Narcissus/fell dragon vibes

[@satyajitbaidya1146]

You are my new favourite genshin lore channel

[@Dogbert24]

i have been hungering for this video the new world quests reveal some very crazy stuff.

[@Gidi66]

12:53 we do know of this, as he mentioned that their was already disappearing cases before he came to Fontaine, so from what I gathered it was while he and his lover where looking into it they came across the remains of the primordial sea (it's not stated if that's all their is or just the bit that's in that one location) she disolved and he started to look for ways of undoing it and somewhere he might have gotten mixed up with Jakob or potentially he was used as a pawn to look into the primordial sea while Jakob tried to reawaken elyas to gain more strength? I'm just spitballing however.

[@kiaradoesart9682]

I'm so happy you made a video on this, I was SO lost lmao Also, damn, talk about a self-fulfilling prophesy. The researcher who predicted the end of Fontaine, is the reason there will be no more Fontaine 😬 I have another crack theory for you- Alain founded the Heart of the Hearth as a parallel to the Narzissenkreuz Institute (hence the title convention "Father" as opposed to the "Mother"), and Arlecchino is who Mary-Ann became (maybe lol). She's now leading the Heart of the Hearth against the Ordo, working to undo what Rene and Jakob did (reversing the nature of the Primordial Sea, to consume life instead of birthing it) and to stop what current Abyssal Jakob is up to.

[@ajplayer221]

Good Theory! but I can't see how Arlecchino can be Mary-Ann since we have already met "Mary-Ann" in the WQ, or am I overseing something?

[@kiaradoesart9682]

@@ajplayer221 Honestly that bit is just crack lol, although there are so many "versions" of Mary-Ann (some theories link her to Lyris as well as Ann) that I wouldn't be surprised if that was a twist. I'm mainly just convinced she was at the Narzissenkreuz Institute and knew that group

[@ajplayer221]

@@kiaradoesart9682 I also believe Arlecchino had something to do with the institute and the children, I can't wait for the next update, definetely my favourite world quest so far.

[@acherthecat8316]

@@ajplayer221 If you're talking about the Mary-Ann we met in that dreamy little cottage, she could just be an oceanid thingy, like the NPCs in Idyia's domain. So it's highly possible that her consciousness was divided into separate forms

[@corinnetheanime]

i've been waiting a long time for someone to make this! Thank you for laying it out! Especially since it's heavily implied that the world-formula is something they saw AFTER the Khaenri'ah cataclysm happened. The Prayers of Illumination set also explicitly mentions the "cycles" that Rene likely saw in the world-formula. Also, another interesting note during the Elynas section: there seems to be a progression of Rhine's creations in their interactions with humanity. From Rifthounds, who are actively hostile and seem to want to conquer (or be playful puppies?), the dragons Durin and Elynas who want to make friends and show off their wonder (but in actuality are toxic to the creatures and environment of Teyvat), to the Susbedo who was jealous of his brother's integration into human society and tried to replace him... To Albedo. The greatest of Rhine's creations who had successfully become "human" and accepted by humanity. With the same power his master has (the Art of Khemia). And now he's an uncle to a race of mermaids too. Overall, great video! The only thing I'm unsure though is the timeline about the Hydro Archon knowing the prophecy after Jakob and Rene's experiments, since the previous Hydro Archon would have died to become the Amrita Pool during the Cataclysm, whereas it's implied they discovered the world-formula after said Cataclysm happened. So perhaps the Hydro Archon still has her consciousness afterwards in another form aside from the Amrita Pool that caught wind of their plot, she foresaw their actions in the future, or the prophecy is much, much older than either of them. (Or maybe there is another option, I dunno.)

[@roozeveltfox]

thank you! and good point about rhine's creations! I'm still thinking about the friendly rifthound. There's so much that got left on the cutting floor for this vid unfortunately. and you're also right about the timeline - I was debating going over that and how it may/may not work, but tbh it just got way too convoluted with all the unknowns. Like the timeline issue DOES bother me, but i think the whole "how many apocalyptic prophecies can we juggle!?" drives me even more insane haha.

[@corinnetheanime]

@@roozeveltfox yep, it drives me insane too. XDD That's why i think what they saw was the apocalypse that would happen after the fontaine prophecy that we are going through, meaning it could be something we will face in endgame. Meaning the prophecy itself is just the prelude for whatever is to come that will create the world where flowers won't grow (and apparently the end of all civilizations where no new ones will form). That's my theory for the timeline.

[@TheCheeseman1983]

Crack theory: we don’t actually manage to prevent the coming apocalypse, but it turns out the cause of the end is whatever the Fatui are doing. I see them launching an assault on the Heavenly Principles, but after defeating them, it turns out Celestia was the only thing preventing an all-out incursion by the Abyss. Then we end up having to do some time-loop shenanigans, courtesy of Istaroth, which sends us back in time to Khaenri’ah, right before the cataclysm, to take over the role of our sibling in the original timeline. In fact, it would be cool if this loop had already played out several times, which is why our sibling seems to assume we’ll side with them once we have “reached the end of our journey”.

[@MrFlip2247]

its interesting that most thought that we would learn more of celestia in the fontaine arc considering its close proximity but so far we’ve learned more about the abyss in probably the least vague information we’ve gotten on it yet.

[@DavidJohnson-ib1dh]

So when you enter the book.... and look behind you there's a screen stopping you jumping into a deep hollow. That hollow is on inspection the upside down fountain from the Dainself Chasm quest. Now does this suggest that the fountain's water is real something special like primordial sea water? That might account for it's weird magical power to somewhat combat the Curse. And if that is true then can primordial water undo the Curse in large enough amounts and is it in some sense opposed to the Curse?

[@roozeveltfox]

one odd thing i noticed is that the pedestal with the purple stone seems to be missing from the "window" to the chasm/enka-style window. At the same time, that seems very minor as the fountain's presence seems very intentional given the prominence of primordial water. I'm still trying to connect some dots though.

[@hota__6502]

​@@roozeveltfoxthey seem very connected also considering that both waters gravity tends to flow up?

[@ari_official3404]

Little bit of a Crack theory with evidence(?) ig, Arlecchino is actually Mary-Ann. Now Mary-Ann died during the conflict between her Jakob and several other members when she was tasked with capturing them,. But what if like Jakob she came into contact with the dark blood of Elynas, which would explain Arlecchino’s black hands, deep red nails and strange eyes. It could’ve had a major side affects on her causing her a major shift in personality(Like Childe) and appearance her (ghastly white hair with blacks and reds). Arlecchino takes advantage of people and does what benefits her(Mary-Ann came into conflict with her former “family” members bc they were deemed a threat, this portion of herself could’ve been amplified and turned into something twisted by the power of the abyss in Elynas’ blood. Technically “Mary-Ann” is dead while “Arlecchino” is her new facade, “Very fun. But it's not enough. Let me make something clear. You think of yourselves as "magicians", But when you're on the stage, you're first and foremost actors. Good actors hone their craft to mesmerize the whole crowd” She would be a Neohuman like Jakob and Possibly Childe too considering he’s capable of Foul Legacy.

[@charlesnguyen9852]

We have Ann the Oceanid, so Mary could be Arlecchino. And to lend some credence to this, she could empathize with Signora/Rosalynd because they are both from nations that got wrecked by abyssal monster and have to face it with no help from their archons.

[@jsw973]

​@@charlesnguyen9852true, but pretty sure Barbatos helped when Durin attacked. Just not at the battle where Rosalyne's lover died.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​@@jsw973yes if wasn't for venti dvalin would be dead

[@xingqiu1809]

​​@@charlesnguyen9852I don't think Arlecchino has a bad blood with the Archons as much as Signora. Former hydro archon literally sacrificed herself to prevent the abyss from taking over teyvat. I think Arlecchino will directly or indirectly help furina (an inexperienced archon) overcome the prophecy. Arlecchino's goal as said in the archon quest is to first use the hydro gnosis to save Fontaine and then give it to Tsaritsa.

[@hermannfernandes9510]

That theory eventually came to me as I compiled all the information as well. Makes sense

[@jotakori8266]

Yay, another Rooze video! :D I'm always so relieved when I iron out a breakdown and timeline of the new lore for myself and it aligns with your thoughts LOL. This stuff can be so confusing and vague to sort through, so it's nice to know I'm on the right path of understanding! I've been thinking a lot about the Mesuline being abyssal in nature, and particularly about how they view the world and what it means. The one describing the sun as black, Mamere's paintings, and Canotila seeing a beautiful garden where we saw a desolate ruin all strikes me as very similar to how Durin and Elynas thought they were being nice when in reality they were terrorizing people. When Canotila describes Traveler as a monster that could swallow the whole world, I believe this truly means Traveler will _save_ the world from humanity's perspective, but will dash to pieces the world/future abyssal entities view as beautiful. As such, I also assume Traveler is gonna end up being the outside variable that will prevent the world-formula's cataclysmic predictions.

[@roozeveltfox]

aw ty! It's also a relief to have people come in and agree, and I'm also relieved I didn't mess it up hahaha. Traveller being the hero to humanity and a monster to the abyss also echoes the sentiments in Nymph's Dream and also the NK Adventure team quest - "so in Narcissus's story, I'm the villain?" - so I think the way you put it about the melusine/abyssal view is spot on!

[@ajplayer221]

Also, I think it is interesting to point out that the Traveller IS, ad far a we know, the only one that can actually understand Mamere's paintings, this could maybe point out that the traveller has more conections to the abyss than previously thoght, or, if we go full crazy, that the abyss sibling somehow ended up making the abyss conected to their own power, and in turn, to us?

[@justmyself5465]

How about paimon, your opinion qtbout her?..

[@Doro-bashi]

Just in time, this is what I was wishing, nice video! ❤

[@charlesnguyen9852]

I just got a thought brought about by this video. Mary-Ann Guillotin died during that fight in Elynas. But part of her survive, being Ann the Oceanid. What if other part of her also got separated during that violent episode, the Marry part so to speak. This part would also suffer from memory losses (like Ann), but maybe the drive to protect Fontaine would still be there. She would go on to become a Fatui Harbinger out of necessity to find a way to protect her homeland. Arlecchino is stated to have very little loyalty to the Tsaritsa and she empathize with Rosalynd because both of their homeland face devastation by abyssal monster with a lack of involvement (intentional or otherwise) from their own archons.

[@EmergencyCringe]

thank you for making this video so early after Fontaine came out and providing info and explanations to the lore, i’ve never been obsessed with genshin story as much as this one with Narzissen Team and Melusea. After i read the enigmatic pages i’ve been rewatching the world quests that i did before in attempts (mostly successful) to understand more

[@spieds9994]

9:40, so i had a pleasure of deciphering the text on the beastly rift with some other people on lore reddit like 2 month ago when it got leaked, and after checking in game after 4.0, it seems to have stayed the same. So, in case somebody interested in trying to interpret it in the lore, here are the things from the post: Outer layer top clockwise Mentorum Luxseeff Undatinm Entesdei ExcuLmin ELucisin Magnoele Translating via google each word seprately in the same order gives Mentors, Luxseeff?, Unwavering, I was angry, Exalted, Elucidate, Magnoele? Inner layer top-right clockwise Messor Phaos Pater Corax Lympha MiLes Leaena (thanks u/Spieds) Reaper, Chaos, Father, Courage, Lymph, Miles, Lioness Other definintions for each word include: Messor)Harvester Pater)head/ chief Corax)raven/ battering-ram Lympha)Water/Aqua/water-nymph Miles)Soldier/Knight/Soldiery/combatant Leaena)Leo The inner circle is connected to Mitharaism, this seems to be the Degrees of Initiation, considering they are even in the correct order: 1st - Corax; 2nd - Nymphus (Lympha in this case, which is it's doublet); 3rd - Miles; 4th - Leo (Leaena in this case); 5th - Perses (The rank's symbols are Hooked sword, Phrygian cap, sickle, crescent moon, stars, sling, pouch, which could be connected to translation of Messor: reaper, mower, harvester); 6th -Heliodormus (Here Phaos, which is probably the Greek φάος, which has simialar symbolism, like torch, daylight etc.); 7th - Pater. Inner most top-right clockwise Opera Rotas Sator Arepo Tenet Work, The Wheels, The tailor, Arepo, Holds This seems to be a refrence to Sator Square and the wiki includes ROTAS OPERA TENET AREPO SATOR which includes a box which includes sator arepo tenet opera rotas from top to bottom which then translates to 'The father holds the wheels of the AREP' via google. A more likely translation is 'The sower, with his plough, holds the wheels with care' or 'The sower Arepo leads the plough with his hand' In case somebody wants to check out all the comments/discussion on the post, even though we had no context of quests back then: www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/14dqw28/this_post_contains_leaked_concept_art_and_needs_a/?sort=confidence

[@spieds9994]

Also, i wonder how much Remuria/golden troupe plays a role in the events of Narzissenkreuz and Fontaine, bc the gang was investigating (presumed by Rene) Golden Troupe's ruins, which is probably Remuria, bc both have references to God King, who in the book "The history of the decline and fall of Remuria" said to be Remus, who can be a reference to IRL Remus, brother of Romulus, both of whom established Rome, which i think fits for the inspiration of Fontaine region (That part of europe i think, might be wrong, my geography knowledge is shit). The institute also said to have been build over the ruins of old civilization from which it got it's name (written in rather aged records in close to the end of ann quest i think. The same books also mentions Fortuna and other interesting things, which suggest that Remuria was established after the fall of Gurabad, after Remus descended upon Meropis in his golden fortuna. Bc of that Fortress of Meropide could also be an interesting place, since Meropide is just French translation of Meropis. But yeah, i like how almost everything is actually connected to one story in fontaine, instead of having different stories for themselves.

[@menkadem1601]

i think fontaine is gonna be my favorite nation. the way all the world quests actually tie into the archon quest is incredible. also, i just want to point out that fontaines story reminds me a LOT of neo genesis evangelion. people dissolving into a liquid that has the conciousness of all the people dissolved reminds me of human instrumentality.

[@DEM0NKAEYA]

I've been waiting for any videos about all these important lore discoveries since I finished doing the quests and I'm so glad you were the first to post about them! thank you very much!

[@tymoshkondrasko9138]

Nooo! I have completed almost all Fonaine world quests to be prepared for the upcoming theories, but not these two :( Will have to do them tomorrow to watch the video

[@TSP9999]

In enigmatic page (I) they wrote "there will be no more new civilizations born... Unless we consider introducing "variables" from outside the system" this can be interpreted as using abyssal powers, but what if it meant descenders like Aether/Lumine?

[@ajplayer221]

Hey! maybe you could make a mini theory video on the golden troup artifact set? Since it has been talked about in Rene's notes and seems like the civilization described within it might have a rol to play in fontaine.

[@tori6943]

i've been waiting for this!!!!!!! your videos help me understand the lore soooo much more

[@-romanpl01-27]

The reveals about Abyss from the Fontaine world quests made me thinking: Since Abyss creatures seem to have a different world veiw where they see themselves as being good amd wanting peace, couldn't the same be saod about creatures and powers related to Celestial(Light) origin? The Abyss will see itself as good and fight Celestia, Celestia will see themselves as good and fight the Abyss, both claiming to be true power but in actuality being splits of a greater, original primodrial power. What if just like all creatures previously being united in the Primordial Sea before splitting into different creatures, Abyss and Celestial/Light power comes from something like the Omni element. That would potentially explain why Abyss is currently seen as evil and destroying the world, because Celestia enforces it's view upon the world itself via it's rules, but perhaps if those were to disappear, we could see the world from neither the Abyss' or Celestial point of view, but the original state of the world. This could also explain why the Traveller's power is so feared, because of he has the Omni element, he might be able to act against both Abyss and Celestia alike, while on top of that possibly being the "outside factor" that is required to change the outcome of the destruction of the world as predicted by the world formula and Rene. One thing I also find interesting is the new book about the fall of Remuria, the golden kingdom that existed on the land of Fontaine long ago, was founded by the God King Remus who arrived there on his golden ship which just so happens to be called Fortuna

[@jakubbarczyk4310]

Lovely video, I have been obsessing over lore in fontaine so this will fuel it more

[@Whenpigfly666]

Since I understood precisely none of those questlines, I must thank you for the summary and theories. But I wonder if the Ingold siblings really have ties to the Archon Quest... After all, it would be the first time a world quest provides useful information for the main storyline, and it's hard to imagine how Hoyo would handle that

[@MaximilianH]

Just wanted to say Thanks!

[@raiboodie]

THANKYOU for covering this. I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video on this

[@angee1011]

I had the same thought about Arlecchino and the Narzissenkreuz Institute, like that maybe she was the Oceanid Director Lyris who disappeared during the Cataclysm and when she came back, she was corrupted by the abyss and the learned of what happened the fallout of the Institute and the Ordo and their machinations. It would fit in the sense that she still runs an orphanage, seemingly wants to save Fontaine (through her own means) and joined up with Harbingers. Will be very interesting to see how this plays out, one thing’s for sure.. it’s all connected.

[@prakhar6852]

Or she could be mary ann Herself

[@ari_official3404]

I meant to add this at the end of my other comment, Paimon being seen with a string connecting her to something “above the sky itself”(If she were from celestia they would’ve said “to the heavens itself”) SCREAMS imaginary construct to me and to add she was unaffected by the power of the abyss and was unaffected by the celestial nail too. Speaking of the Wanderer’s Troupe has connections to music which makes sense for they hail from Fontaine, and Remuria, the ancient city that existed before Fontaine, had music as its prime focus and used the power of song, the same way the Wanderers Troupe used it as theirs. Which reminded me of the Shell trio from HI3 Shell-Dolente, Shell-Furioso, Shell-Placido. And The Imaginary Weaver from HSR.

[@EQU1N0OX]

One thing I find weird was Elynas mentioned before it was born it "floated in cosmic darkness" and it later "left the world beneath the earth". I cannot make sense of this

[@megamcee]

Imagine if Arlecchino is Mary-Ann... She didn't die in the fight within Elynas and instead got sent to the Abyss. She went insane there and when she came back she got picked up by the Harbingers. She still remembered her orphanage as a nice way to lead children to better futures, so she started her own (she was also "the big sister" to other boys in her childhood, so she obviously has motherly instincts). This would also tie back to her strong belief in the prophecy, because she would've experienced all the research Rene/Jakob/Alain did, so she would know the world-formula stuff as well. I also think there's a chance that she was half-khaenriahn and has the hands of a hilichurl. Both Childe and Scara also say that she's completely crazy, and that's what hilichurls become if they see their own face. Her eyes might hint at a different/limited vision, which is why she's not completely insane. Does seem like a completely crazy theory, but who knows.

[@arthurviana1947]

The ordo looks like another type of abyss order, the abyss order uses the Power of the abyss to seek revenge for kahrya, It does not represent the abyss itself

[@arthurviana1947]

The real Power of the abyss looks like its given by a complet different entity

[@MINERVA-X077]

Yes and Jakob tells us he wants nothing to do with the abyss order. The way he says it is like he believes he’s above them actually. Anyway I love Jakob and Enjou and I hope they dominate the world

[@GenshinLover283]

@@MINERVA-X077 imagine if Enjou is actually working with Jakob

[@MINERVA-X077]

@@GenshinLover283 That would be cool af. Their personalities are quite similar too haha! Very prideful

[@ExiaAvalancheMkII]

Seems Abyss Order is just a faction being lead by the Traveler's sibling and this Ordo is on a different level

[@frenchie2580]

Another awesome video. Thank you!

[@pqpqupid]

I'm so glad to know about your channel

[@azuwardymi]

I’m so happy I found ur KZbin channel 😭 I’ve been meaning to catch up on genshin lore since I’ve not played in months and I wanna keep up with the lore too but idk where to start so stumbling upon this video really helped 😭

[@NLZ3]

just finished your 3.7 narzissenkreuz video and was super happy to see you made a follow up with the 4.0 lore! huge props for getting this video out so quickly, it really helped me understand the new lore and the theories were really cool

[@yasminothman842]

thank you sm for this video srsly, I've tried to go through every record/archive I could find throughout the quests and just needed a lore video to summarize the jumbled up info lmao, thank you!! ❤

[@dreamday988]

Thank you so much for covering these world quests! I was honestly confused af about Jakob and others (not so much about the dragon).. Also I am looking forward to the timeline 😭❤️🙏🏻

[@mayamoon9207]

The Narzissenkreuz lore is so fascinating to me and I'm so excited to see you cover it! I can't wait to learn more about it all

[@n7talula777]

Awooo! Let’s go 😊

[@Schnubi]

Oh man I totally missed out so many things, even tho I tried to read every letter and every sentence carefully. Your recap of the story so far, especially with the whole Gold and Durin comparision was easy to follow and really interesting. I totally missed out those details

[@LadyCorax]

Turn around and look behind you when you enter that strange space.

[@aRYaN-jl2qp]

It helped me make sense of that chaotic information, thanks 👍

[@feralsgoose]

Fontaine is a horror story prove me wrong this shi got creepy af

[@jeremiahsmith916]

My personal half-crack theory is that the devs took their chance to make the whole Hydro land a lovecraftian horror theme park and ran with it

[@asaierii]

If you stand and wait at the Fountain Of Lucine, lower the music and sfx (keep dialouge and volume up), you can hear what sounds like Furina crying. Though, I cannot say if it is actually her but many others think that it has something to do with the prophecy. If I recall correctly, the sobbing voice says something along the lines of "So lonely" and "How much longer?"

[@ShadowHunter646]

I just tried this and holy crap it's true! It kinda makes you feel bad for her

[@ShadowHunter646]

Even if it isn't furina it IS pretty sad to hear that

[@asaierii]

@@ShadowHunter646 Ikr! Gives ya the chills.

[@rippy4260]

Arlechinno's intent is a flare , a truth between lies , she needs the gnosis to save fontaine but she also needs to get the gnosis for the cryo archon, so probably we will see her using the gnosis somehow to solve fontaine's issues but then maybe as a separate update we see her taking the gnosis as a reward for solving the issue as a sort of contract

[@Shado6588]

Amizing video if was my first and Consider me a fan of your work

[@bluestrider2562]

I had this video on in the bg. One connection i made offhand was when you talked about InGold. I had to tab back in and replay that part. For some reason, I was confused because I thought you were saying the opposite of what you were stating. "In"Gold, in my head, was being used as a prefix. Like "in"visible, is not visible, I first thought you were meaning Ingold as in "not"Gold. Then after i saw your meaning, i did a double take at my mishearing the term and thought maybe it's meant to be "not" Gold. Maybe they were competitors or something?

[@Roihclem871]

Rene sounds very much like the loom of fate or something like it

[@Icelynsinging]

Was so excited to see your video pop up! Can’t wait for more of your Fontaine content as the summary in chronological order really helped me process everything better from just rushing the questlines.

[@banjoowo4001]

Finally a lore channel, the amount of lore contents in the EN community is so unsettling

[@thienphucn1]

Does other community like CN or JP doesn't have that many lore content or something?

[@deadfrogsong1723]

Thanks so much for this! This world quest series really went over my head.

[@snifiwgolzie4405]

I find it odd that nobody talks about Princess Lyris, all the hydro mimics that resemble people mentioned in the enigmatic pages have their names either shortened or somehow changed, like Al - Alain or SeyMORI, all except of princess lyris whom we know nothing off except that she probably is alive and that she was put on a team with Jakob so she must have had some sort of power. If presumably say, Arlecchino was that person it could potentially bring new light to Ashikais all harbringers are dead theory too and seeing what genshin did with dottore its just a very juicy speculation indeed

[@sheekshow]

I was just looking to see if you covered this! Thanks!

[@xigesta9098]

Nice work👍

[@jeremiahsmith916]

Amazing recap and analysis as always! Thank you so much for your work! Definitely looking forward to a video on the "Adventure team" quest, because it had waaay too many allegory layers for my tired brain to fully decipher ^^"

[@ikikcas]

I am thinking abt this while doing the world quest, I totally agree what Rene and Jakob do will create catastrophe. But what if the Fontaine people disolved into water is kind of a curse or bad side effect from it. Like eleazar suddenly infected the king deshret civilization due to forbidden knowledge and khaenriah people turn to hillicurl due to whatever khaenriah wanted to do 500 years ago. Both cases only affected people from the respected region and both event already happen before the Traveler arrived. Only Fontainian people that can be disolved to water as we seen in archon quest I am suspecting in Fontaine the traveler finally have the chance to directly face the catastrophe in the first place, I think whatever the outcome from this will drive the traveler story in teyvat. If it can turn bad as the prophecy said they maybe will understand what the twin do or if it has happy ending the traveler will built different opinion and probably in opposing side of the twin

[@sylvarogre5469]

More fun theory/lore! 🥳

[@whotfdidthis]

i don’t know if anybody has mentioned it but when rene’s formula showed that there will be no more civilizations born after this one UNLESS there’s another variable involved, it could be the traveler. and it will explain venti’s pleas to the sky and his summoning of the stars (travelers) to safe the world from suffering. i’m so into this lore

[@Kronman590]

I really really hope the overlap between world and archon quests continue - world quests have always been infinitely more interesting than archon quests.

[@CurseOxuin]

I'm really curious about Mary-Ann character since 3 fountain world quest revolve around her and the Ordo.

[@luvinyl]

amazing video !! u deserve so much subs 💗

[@KumoLiliArchived]

so glad videos on lore exist because I do not pay attention anymore

[@O-pm8bb]

I love this new fontaine lore it's pretty dark and interesting

[@maiv9434]

The idea that Arlecchino might be related to them makes me so excited! I know this is not very likely seeing as we know how the female characters of the orphan group ended, but I would really want her to somehow end up one of the original ones. The idea that Jakob and Rene have been carrying this dissolving mission for YEARS and she has become this dark and twisted version of her former self as she was looking for a way to stop them.... Maybe she could have been the one that died fighting Elynas. Absorbing the abysal blood somehow could have affected her and bring her back to life :D That would be a very cool twist! Especially considering that we have some info about these kids in their younger age so if we had the chance to look at her uncorrupted version... 🤯

[@ExiaAvalancheMkII]

Based on recent leaks its heavily hinted Arlecchino is Raven/Natasha's Teyvat counterpart and coincidentally her being a former scientist/researcher and orphanage owner would make sense

[@Ravenna.E.Blackbird]

8:58 caught me completely off guard LMAO 🍓 How tf am I supposed to finish my PB&J now

[@mattarificwolflink9280]

This seems likely considering the new archon quests

[@yehoraaa9449]

Very awesome. After WC complete, I finally can manage all of thoughts in right way, thank You so much! However, there is one question still opened... !!! Spoilers BELOW!!! If Oratris device was correct, why Childe was guilty. He told us he awoke some power from Abyss and saw a sea with large whale. Is he really have a connection to the Primordial Sea case or not? I suppose we will find out, because I dont want to believe in Oratris hack by Arlecchino as part of show.

[@darkspinegaming8213]

What if the whale he saw was Elynas in his giant beast form. Cause there is a giant skeletal corpse in fontaine which

[@yehoraaa9449]

@@darkspinegaming8213 Elynas was like dragon Durin, made by witch Gold, maybe he looks like dragon-whale mix but who knows.

[@WhiteKoneko]

Fontaine quests in a nutshell: We going need a damn bigger ark. My Lore brain: Ragnarök! Ragnarök! Ragnarök! Ragnarök! Aaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!😱🐺⏳

[@reveriesend4668]

Hmm you forget to count the Looking Glass and also the Scattered Note at the top of the Enka-like library.

[@tomfrego6678]

I have a question , do you have any ideas what was the Siege of Poisson from Lyney weapon , its also related to Rene and Jakob but I can't understand it

[@BlueSpiritFire1]

Literally spent all night shoving my face into lore trying to plot out the timeline out the Fontaine civilisations because I was getting very confused about when Remuria and the Navy took place. I fell DEEP down the rabbit hole of these four. Something interesting I found is that I *believe* Karl, Basil, Emanuel and someone called Dwight (possibly Carter? He repeatedly says how hes older than Rene/Jakob/Alain/Mary-Ann and in his notes he says "After the disaster I lost contact with pretty much all my friends. I'm so happy that they were able to find each other again.". Dwight is mentioned in one of the Marechaussee Hunter pieces) were the previous 'generation' from the Narzissenkreuz Institute. Also an important thing to note is that Coppelius was also likely a graduate of the Institute since the 'Ancient Notes' in the locked office in the I.N.P. says "Ever since he was a child, he's always been incredibly talented...". I can only imagine that this scrap of paper was written by the Director, since Basil was the Vice and her death is recorded in this note. I'm still scratching my head over why there's is NO mention of the first Hydro Archon in these notes, since the older generation would have lived through her death at Tunigi Hollow and there ought to have been a pretty big upheaval with all the grieving and Focalors' new management style, especially since it was big enough to drive all the Oceanids away. Unless we have an Ei/Makoto situation and they looked the same, so people just assumed she had changed a bit upon return? They're all so vague just calling it 'the disaster'.

[@larkaiio3376]

This whole transcending and evolving part of surviving calamity in Rene's plan is VERY remenicent of project STIGMA from honkai impact 3rd

[@arthurviana1947]

We can see the inverted pool of chasm inside the book

[@nicholas4113]

Literally just the plot of Eva, dissolving humans to water while retaining consciousness as a means to further humanity.

[@Nuna_heart]

When I saw the tree of life in kabbalah 6:47 evangelion theme starts playing in my head

[@baldaiacharles]

Please make one about the book with profecies we are collecting pages to in Fontaine. I don't undestand what is happening but it seems important

[@Raurraurraur]

Imma be real mad if Rene ends up being Mobius for Genshin because the parallels are very close, but Rene might just be a parallel for Rhinedottir herself… It overall just makes sense for the Mobius character for Genshin to be Rhinedottir

[@vampiranya9939]

Question: will there be analysis more about Alain, the "cross and lily" society, etc.?

[@roozeveltfox]

yes, as long as I can get some details sorted! Hopefully next week (or even this weekend if I have the time and energy and some big brain moments??)

[@nicholasavarius9197]

if you mean the lilycruces forum virgil mentioned then i think it's fiction. Aeval the melusine on clementine line mentioned that place was in the book great detective hurlock that she accidentally spoiled

[@hparkes93]

Also, crack theory that Arlecchino is Mary-Anne

[@weebstuff7974]

Love this video

[@panpan3454]

Did anyone realized that when we enter this abyss rift or something 6:12 when we look back into the rift... We see that it connected to the upsidedown fountain that we encountered in the chasm🤔 i was like wait a minute hold on😵‍💫 are they using this rift to teleport here and there to get the dark mud and bring it back to fontaine or something... Fontaine update not only brings new answer/lore but more unanswered question... I always hope that each version goes by very quick so the quicker new updates drop, the more lore/answer we can get😅😂

[@DavidJohnson-ib1dh]

René appears to confirm a theory based on Enkanomiyan books that says Teyvat used to have cyclic time and now has progressive "historic" time. You can find the theory if you Google, ""Are not dragons and snakes kin?" -- revisited. Aberaku the heretic." That's about a year old. About 6 months ago I wrote a follow up: "Setekh Wenut description lends evidence to cyclic nature of Teyvat pre-history" Of course both observations provide a solution to the dichotomy of the cyclic nature of the Prayer Artifact Sets vs the clearly non-repeating nature of all the history we actually get told since the game began. This places the ancient civilization René references to just prior to the arrival of the second throne which is hypothesized (in the articles above) to be the cause of the shift from cyclic to non-cyclic time. aka as GoF would put it, breaking the shackles to the land. If this is correct then we can say that each descender appears to act as an "external" to René's World Formula. Each arrival kicks the Formula into another predicted future. Starting with the Primordial One, who creates the cyclic time, next the 2nd throne, who breaks that loop, and finally the Traveler who is supposed to fix stuff I guess. That leaves the third descender with nothing to do. But if René is correct and each descender ("external") changes the results like a butterfly effect, then they must have done something to make the Fatui think of them as a descender. Of course the Fatui might be wrong and in fact the Sibling is in fact the 3rd descender, but at least there's someone else the Fatui think are the 3rd descender, who presumably triggered the Cataclysm, which is the 4th outstanding weird event in Teyvat (and is tied in with the prophecies of both the GoF and Sal Vindagnyr's princess who both live after the 2nd throne event and get flash forwards of the Cataclysm). Who might the Fatui blame for the Cataclysm if not the Sibling? Rhinedottir? King Irmin? but they'd need to be an alien being.

[@joshuadelafuent3]

Bluh really trying to start human instrumentality in Fontaine

[@InsaneInquis]

My personal speculation, based on things from Esoteric Revelation and the things we have seen in the Archon quests… (1) I suspect Fontanians are not actually humans…given that only Fontanians are affected by Priomordial waters, and what with Rene/Jakob somehow saying they are different from other humans, it is feasible that modern Fontanians are actually Eidolons/Oceanids who abandoned aquatic form to take on a permanent human form. Recall how, the first time the Traveler talks to the “revenge” Oceanid, she says it feels like returning home… (1.5) Incidentally, this puts the Oratriz in a new light. Water in Fontaine is implied to be able to carry consciousness, and then you factor in the above speculation. It is possible every time a judgement is passed, there is some sort of gestalt psychic connection between Fontainians and the water flowing through the Oratriz. This psychic like connection is what allows the Oratriz to function. So…what would happen…if the Oratriz is sabotaged, by introducing Primordial Waters into the Oratriz instead… (2) Notice how in the ??? Abyss/void location, aside from linking to the Chasm, also has a “library” room similar to the one you encounter in Enkanomiya (that you go through via a mirror, no less!). Granted, it could just be a reused asset, but the layout feels a bit too similar to be a coincidence. Maybe Rene and co have actually been to Enkanomiya…somehow, if you interpret the “???” Location As Rene’s memories. (2.5) Whilst there doesn’t seem to be anything new added for now, both the Chasm chamber and Enkanomiya are possibly worth revisiting in the future if (somehow) new clues are planted there. (3) It is strongly suggested that in spite of Gold’s connection to the Rift Hounds, the Kh’aenriahns actually do not know about the Rift Hounds in depth, in their own writings… (4) The jam “joke” gets slightly darker when, in “Rene’s notes” you pick up at Sumeru keeps mentioning jam… (5) I need to find more notes in Sumeru…presumably, there should be one piece of work somewhere that includes the study of the specimen Rene sent off to Sumeru for studying…

[@marcusbullock2753]

When Natlan comes out I’m doing every world and story character quest even for characters I won’t pull.

[@gracelessheart1051]

Neohumans - Vision Holders? Jakob was probably Ousia alligned and that's why the blood worked for him. And since Pneuma and Ousia are ever present, maybe that will be the new mechanic instead of presumed Light/Abyss element. Since the Traveler is Pneuma alligned, our sibiling is Ousia, Dain too.

[@Hroovy]

Someone tell me... Elynas is a dragon right? It's the skull which is in underwater🤔

[@aoihitori]

I dunnu why but looking at Melusines reminds me of Made in Abyss and when I saw their village... Well yeah. Nothing could go wrong right? I should take my crazy pills.