Psychopathy can be treated-but here’s why it rarely is | Prof. Abigail Marsh

[@rickwrites2612]

Sadism is separate from psychopathy. A psychopath can be a sadist but doesnt have to be, they may just be indifferentto others suffering. A person with average empathy can also be sadistic.

[@oneoflokis]

So. How about that Australian crocodile expert who abused the dogs? Where do you think he falls?

[@smoly37]

You mean: a psychopath will not nessecarily ENJOY being sadistic. I'd say they both fit into "psychopath/sociopath". A sadist that murders, is a psychopath by definition. (We are NOT talking about people that engage in sexual SM games. Let this be VERY clear. This is a completely different level.) A psychopath that just doesn't care when people are hurt is also a...psychopath.

[@ugotdestroyed4227]

No thats Not the Definition of a Psychopath u morin​@@smoly37

[@davileite780]

​@@oneoflokis I don't know who this Australian is, but he seems to be sadistic by what you said. That says nothing about being a psychopath.

[@sonzai-]

Give to you knowlegh sadist is acutually high empaty. you may think "really?". write proof above. empaty is there is two type that heart empaty and brain empaty. heart empaty is you feel sad that look other people's sad, brain empaty is you realize other people's feeling. brain empaty don't acompany feeling. other hand sadism, sadist have high brain empaty therefor excite to hurt other. these are sadism that can realize other pain.

[@bla_ank]

I dated a textbook psychopathic narcissist. She wasn't evil. It felt more like interacting with someone who had special needs. She wanted to be a good person, but her emotional development was permanently frozen in adolescence. She couldn't understand how her decision making affected other people, and how she was the architect of the biggest problems in her life

[@Kaa864]

That’s a interesting viewpoint just shows they aren’t all killers and criminals.

[@bla_ank]

@@Kaa864 To clarify; she was definitely a criminal, and openly fantasized about acts of violence in a way that made you feel like it wasn't just talk. Some stereotypes aren't completely off-base. But despite her capacity for harm, she was still very child-like and vulnerable. The more you learned about her family history and childhood, the more you understood why she was who she was. Actual humans are so much more complicated than a one-note label

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

@blank-joe... yup, I resonate. Over the past 3-4 decades, I've encountered WAAAYYY too many psychopathic, megalomaniacal, toxic narcissists. It was almost unavoidable within the dating pool. Reflecting, I'd say that 90% of the gals I dated were absolutely without empathy and solely functioned for their own personal gain. When and if others suffered was both inconsequential and opportunistic for them. They remind me of people like Chump, Theranos chick, Bankman-Fraud, Winesteen, Wil Smythe, Aleggz Jonez, Ambur Huerd, Madeoff, etc., etc. All of them fit the definition of psychopathic creeps perfectly. And no, there is no "cure". Especially not once they become wealthy, famous, popular, and influential. Those offer them eternal invincibility (obviously).

[@loveislove4879]

You left out Trump

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@loveislove4879 One can argue about Trump. He is giving up most of the good things in his life to try to become president again. I don't know why he would bother. I'm sure his wife doesn't want this. Why should he try to "fix up" the Country. I have myself given up on the US. There's nothing I can do to fix it. Maybe he can. Maybe not. It's a crap shoot. I don't think a psychopathic narcissist would go through all of this ****. Would you? Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@Remhad]

Most people I’ve been around are extremely altruistic and it in turn has made me slightly altruistic myself. People being so insensitive has caused me to shut down a lot of times and just become numb. The rare times that I do meet someone who does care and feels things on deep levels that I do, that helps me take off my emotional armor, it blows me away and touches me incredibly.

[@pasthuman]

I can't help but wonder if most artists see Life through emotion.

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

How to become a pyschopaths, are those people are around you that make you numb is a psychopath?

[@Podzhagitel]

people being so insensitive makes YOU SO NUMB, YOU CAN’T FEEL THEM THERE. You BECOME SO TIRED, SO MUCH MORE AWARE.

[@poppyfrancis7338]

I feel I'm largely the opposite. I want to believe in people and I think that anyone is capable of doing great things, but so many people choose to be ugly. I won't ever give it up though. Even when we've done everything to make ourselves into a monster, we can still be better. And I want to be there for the people who are tired of hurting and being hurt, who need someone who can see they're still human after everything. We can't fix the past, but the future is still waiting to be built.

[@pearletheartist]

​@@poppyfrancis7338This is so well said

[@nrnoble]

Very insightful video. Many years ago, I watched a HBO documentary on an imprisoned Mafia hitman who had killed over 100 people. He was interviewed\evaluated by a well-known psychologist that diagnosed the hit man as psychopathic. The hit man was very interested in understanding why he was so different than everyone else because he had no reservation to do things that horrified even the most harden criminals. The psychologist explained to him that his brain was wired in such a way that allowed him to face extreme situations without fear, therefore he could do thing that terrified nearly everyone else. The psychologist explained further, if he had been raised in healthy environment and directed into a productive life, he could have become an amazing fireman or other high risk professions that require individual to do things that cause extreme fear in normal people.

[@Kaa864]

Ice man.

[@phillypb4165]

Do you recall the psychologist? Dr. Hare perhaps?

[@nrnoble]

@@phillypb4165 It was Dr. Park Dietz. There are a three of HBO documentaries about mafia hitman Richard Kuklinski. "The Iceman and the Psychiatrist", "The Ice Man Tapes", "The Iceman Confesses". Kuklinski has since died in prison. All three are streaming on HBO MAX. Well with watching.

[@Deedz1924]

Ice man. One time he killed a man on Christmas morning and still went home to celebrate with his kids. That blew my mind when I was child.

[@RonLong-d5s]

He also told a story about eating at a diner and a man was being rude to the waitress so he dropped arsenic in the guys coffee ...could've been a lie based on some sort of ideation he had either way...psychopathic

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

Diagnosed ASPD/BPD, here. I don't speak for everyone diagnosed but personally, I fear betrayal, abandonment and getting caught by law enforcement. I do have bouts of anxiety, if that counts. I don't really have a startle response. Like, jump scares or anything like that doesn't really affect me. Since I have a reckless disregard for myself and others, say for example there was auto accident I witnessed, I wouldn't be affected by it the same way a normal person would. My first response isn't to help. I'd be shocked/surprised and just taking in the experience. We all don't have an outright total lack of empathy. I disregard affective empathy and understand cognitive empathy, to which I can turn on when it benefits a goal or outcome. Lastly, I do not condone any toxic behavior from anyone. Not even from myself. Such behavior is abusive and wrong. It's taken some time to understand that people aren't appliances to exploit and manipulate. It just comes naturally/unconscious and have to stop myself from being toxic.

[@kupcakez]

When you say toxic behaviour is wrong, what do you mean by that?

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

​@@kupcakez Anything abusive, manipulative, exploitative etc.

[@guestofearth]

Negative net global EV ​(Nash equilibrium) or sufficiently asymmetric EV between two parties@@kupcakez

[@DebKC-bj9jo]

@@BasedGodEmperorTrump So apart from recognizing that YOU were responsible for running your life into a ditch, have you been able to identify any factors that could have helped to shape your personality, (with respect to your diagnosis) or does it seem to have been innate? I have a family member who completely baffles me. His parents seem to have done EVERYTHING right, but he continues to bully and torment anyone who crosses his path. And with respect, you seem to have, or have developed, a healthy sense of self-awareness. At any rate, I wish you peace.

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

@@DebKC-bj9jo accepting reality and taking responsibility for myself and actions were the hardest hill to climb. It's easy to blame everyone else and take no accountability. We gaslight ourselves into thinking we're omnipotent/omnipresent etc, but deep down we know we're not. We project our shame on others and this leads to bullying and abuse. "Hurt people hurt people". I want you to feel my pain by taking the abuse. This can manifest into sadism and schadenfreude. Most people on the spectrum can never be helped nor will truly change. They can only feign a facade of change but they know they're still the same person. They always revert back in due time.

[@indigentphd]

There is an huge oversimplification of possible treatment here. Changes in adults are very rare with psychopathy. If you have a child with callous unemotional traits, early treatment with a knowledgeable therapist can help them with decision making that reduces harm-it does not create empathy. Rather, it teaches a child how not doing harm benefits them directly. Great video, but it risks giving people false hope about loved ones who are causing great harm.

[@crystalcole888]

Excellent comment. I agree.

[@Moodboard39]

She's not a doctor lol but a book author .

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Empathy cannot be "learned". A soul either possesses it upon its terrestrial birth, or it does not. No exceptions. That's a scientific fact, and there is no possibility of refuting it.

[@lous3772]

@@Moodboard39 She is not just a book author. She is Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience at Georgetown University. She earned a Ph.D. from Harvard University and did post-doctoral research at the National Institute of Mental Health. She is an expert in the field in which she speaks.

[@Portia620]

AGREED!!!!

[@WoodlandT]

What she’s referring to is really behavior modification, not treatment for psychopathy. There is no treatment for psychopathy. But if a psychopath has enough insight to realize their behavior is the problem, they may choose to modify the way they interact with others because it is to their benefit. Nothing has changed except the methods being used to achieve the desired outcome

[@HarryDirtay]

Behavior midification is a form of treatment. You people try to be so goddamn pedantic that you end up just being fucking wrong. There's no cure to a lot of things but there are treatments. Insufferable.

[@graceg3250]

Exactly. Behavior modification also makes them better able to manipulate others.

[@techie_ania]

There is a SBSK interview with a psychopath that talks about this. Can recommend

[@Olivia-bl8ez]

My ex husband was a psychopath and the more therapy he received for it, the better he got at manipulating people. Therapy gave him even more ways to fake emotion to get people to open up on an even deeper level. To then have more information to use against them.

[@ratz648]

Consider that, for most if not all personality disorders, there is no cure. As far as I know BPD is the only personality disorder that has the potential to reach complete remission with DBT but many argue otherwise. For many of the personality disorders, treatment is becoming self-aware, modifying behavior if it is harmful to yourself or others, and reducing negative symptoms to the self like emotional dysregulation or suicidality. Consider also that many other mental disorders and conditions cannot truly be cured. Some of these we recognize as neurodivergence for this reason (ASD).

[@danbanbam]

Sending this to my extended family

[@n0426]

LOLOL

[@charlenegarcia5144]

😂👏

[@ValidatingUsername]

If everyone around you is x,y,z then it’s likely a reflection of your behaviour 😊

[@maren2379]

🤣

[@talkingtochapri]

🤭💀

[@fen4554]

My father suffers from psychopathy, as best my therapist can tell. He hated me, and the love my mother had for me. In the 80s he had some kind of episode where he lost control, and imprisoned my entire family in our house. I spent months locked in a room. I could drink water once in the morning, and I'd be given scraps at night. When that wasn't enough he started to take me into the basement and torture me. Hanging me from the basement rafters in the dark for hours. Beating me with an iron rod wrapped in a towel, or sitting on my chest while he waterboarded me with a facecloth and pitcher of water. He wasn't just unaware of my suffering, he wanted it. Pain was fascinating to him. Seeing someone with the fear of death in their eyes was like a drug. The memories were so much that I repressed it for almost 30 years. I repressed it while I was still living with him, and for decades afterwards. He resumed his role as father and as I got older, he left me alone. When I finally started to remember, I didn't think it was real, until my mother quietly told me one day that I really needed to forgive him. I haven't spoken to my parents in years now.

[@zimpetrichor4919]

OMG that's a terrible experience to go through. Hope you are doing much better now and please continue to seek help for this terrible traumatic experience. Thoughts are with you!❤

[@troybarnes6798]

@@zimpetrichor4919I second this

[@dillanikobe495]

Definitely look into psychedelic psychotherapy if you are able to. They've been found to help with trauma through research.

[@fen4554]

@@dillanikobe495 That was what unlocked the memories. 5 grams of golden teacher in a dark cold room while laying in bed. I was trying to understand why I was so broken. My body never forgot.

[@KunalKadu]

​@@fen4554Your body keeps the score.

[@eh1702]

One thing I find disturbing is that the photo representations of these emotions that are supposed to be identified are all very clearly acted. I don’t just mean that the way the photo is framed makes that clear - but it's clear in the expressions themselves that they are artificial. If I were asked to identify the expression of “fear” there, I would identify it as dismay, disappointment…or someone acting “fright” or “startled”. (And this is not quite the same thing as fear.) Yet I have no difficulty at all identifying fear, including when the person is trying to disguise it. The photo actually has NONE of the blank/flat-eyed look of actual fear - especially with fear of other people, which naturally people instinctively try to mask. This kind of fear (which may last long minutes during a bad situation) looks like a blank face, really. The eyes are very different to the “oh, no!” look of the photo subject. It makes me wonder if the people selecting these pictures are themselves even familiar with genuine expressions like this, or if years of being raised on TV drama and Hollywood movies has confused them. If you’re gonna use things like this as diagnostics, then they have to be at least genuine. These days, unfortunately, there are plenty of real-world examples to pick from.

[@langustajableczna]

right? this is almost child-like silly. But you must play normie play pretends anyway

[@purroductive_yabby]

I have severe deficits in emotional capacity and empathy due to adverse childhood experiences that made having an emotional spectrum too painful. I was so afraid all the time that I think my amygdala fried itself or something as evidenced by my total lack of emotion outside of the constant fight or flight response. I’m starting to recover from my stunted emotional development by reading children’s books on emotions to try and understand better. Idk if I fit into this condition or not but I relate to a lot of their struggles - just my own case study as someone who has both anxiety and empathy problems

[@bluepsiongamer4909]

I don't know you but you might look into PTSD or CPTSD. If you're stuck in survival mode then you don't have the resources to think about other people... Except and how they may threaten you. Unfortunately that's how I am a lot of my empathy is just trying to figure out how to keep people from hurting me.

[@josephmarzullo]

I’m probably either a sociopath or a narcissist but I suffer from some social issues because I grew up in a sort of bubble where I was abandoned by my parents and shown no love. I have been learning as I go 😊

[@SamSolasdonSaol]

I grew up in circumstances much like you and I care WAYYY too much. We're all so different. Please stay harmless and helpful.

[@Hunter-2689]

Some people dissasociate because its easier than feeling pain, rejection, guilt and loss of love. They cant handle these negative feelings so they dissasociate to cope.

[@lunamig1006]

The first step is to know that you're not normal, this is incredible and something that many do not recognize.

[@thefridge7335]

Same

[@Littlevampiregirl100]

just a reminder, that lack of care and love can cause whats called emotional detachment. not the same as psychopathy, but it makes you emotionless to cope with hurt. i cant really imagine that a psychopath can have social anxiety since thats a form of fear

[@j.h.6081]

I truly believe that the more someone is around caring people, the more caring he or she will be to others. The more we are around people who are unkind, the less we trust others and the less caring we become because of that. The most tragic situation is when a child starts off as a kind and trusting person but has been born into a selfish/unkind family.

[@Olivia-bl8ez]

I used to feel that way to and learned I was very naive. I was married to a psychopath. He saw caring people as the perfect people to exploit. It never rubbed off on him.

[@derreckwalls7508]

I have experienced both sides of the "continuum". It seems that our level of trust in others is a significant factor in determining our behavior. Some people are more trusting than others either by nature or nurture, and some people's personalities tend to enjoy engaging with others without any discernable survival need gratification. Due to moderate autism and religious abuse I grew up very antisocial, but with therapy _and_ medication I can now engage with anyone without fear, and even enjoy talking to strangers and helping them. I think of it in simple terms: some people are selfish and others are generous. There are many contributing factors - from personality to experiences to brain chemistry -that influence our behaviors, and I know from my personal experience that those _can_ be changed. Also, some people don't seem to understand that what benifits the _whole_ of society will eventually benefit _them_ too. Cooperation not only helps us satisfy our survival needs, but in creating a better society it also helps satisfy our desire for happiness. Selfishness and "tribalism" leads to partisan politics, poverty, social upheaval, and war... among other things. Only a psychopath would want to contribute to that.

[@pasthuman]

All that tribalism you spoke of is vehemently pushed on us (media/entertainment), to the degree hard to tell if it's innate within us to be so tribal or not. It's like even religion is politics.

[@derreckwalls7508]

@@pasthuman When I was studying the history of religion in college it was interesting how interelated, almost inseperable, religion, government, and entertainment were. The gods ordained kings, and the kings held festivals for the gods. Since kings so often came and went, it was usually the priests - the preservers of knowledge - who managed the government in everything from recording births to regulating trade and finances. The kings basically collected taxes to finance wars and city walls, and, like the priests, took a little off the top to support a life of luxury. It's really not too much different today. Our entertainment is no longer religious, but our holidays are the same, honoring patriotic and religious occasions. One of the reasons for the Seperation of Church and State was to keep the people in charge of the government instead of being overtaken by religion as the Catholic Church had done for centuries. I wish I could remember which social philosopher said, "Religion is the greatest oppressor of liberties known to humanity."

[@Prince_Luci]

All humans are inherently selfish. As are all animals. What makes life and society interesting is that we are all capable of putting the selfishness aside to better our community which is still a selfish act because bettering our community will better our lives.

[@boomerbutler7569]

As a therapist with a master's in science in clinical mental health, I learned more from this video about the brain than from two years of master's level courses 😅. I could listen to Dr. Marsh all day because she speaks clearly and is easy to understand. Can we get more from Dr. Marsh, please 😊

[@zimpetrichor4919]

I second this!

[@Kwd123]

I third this!

[@CalvinR90]

Does psychopathy apply to the animals we eat? In my opinion the animals we eat are nothing to us as a society no sympathy no empathy no remorse.

[@rongike]

@@CalvinR90 that's usually compartmentalizing mixed with delusions of supremacy.

[@CalvinR90]

@@rongike sorry if this a ignorant question, could someone say that a psychopath does the same thing by compartmentalizing other humans? Would that be way off or close?

[@l.5832]

Although a person needs to be personally interviewed by a therapist to be diagnosed as a psychopath, when I was at a woman's shelter, I was in therapy and explaining what behaviours were occurring in my marriage. The therapist said the incidents indicated psychopathy. Now my husband had told me he was abused by his father who was very sadistic and liked to cause pain. I only knew this after we were married. I know as a little boy, my husband must have experienced a great deal of fear and it impacted him as an adult. But oddly, he terrorized me much the same way. My point being, the speaker indicated a deficit of fear response and yet from what my husband told me, he spent much of his preschool years in considerable terror.

[@caralho5237]

Its often the case that the abused grow up to mimic the behaviors of the abuser. Point is: As youve come to notice, you're not really safe around your husband.

[@Name..........]

​@@caralho5237 this is common knowledge its how children learn its why they want to dress like adults and wear mommies slippers. Children learn whats right and wrong through imitation

[@Maunti]

Have you considered the fact that he could lie?

[@ratz648]

He may have been a Sociopath. The most common distinction made between psychopaths and sociopaths is that psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made. Sociopaths may have a genetic or biological predisposition for such behavior but it only reaches the level if the child experiences significant trauma. "Hurt people hurt people" as they say. He may have been telling the truth.

[@isahenschen8827]

Damn. I work on preventing s3xual & domestic vi0I3nce - this is such a fundamental shift and holds tremendous potential for our field

[@_jin4323]

I always find it interesting when there is a video on psychopathy that presents new information and or something that could shift perspective. Then i will go to the comments and read a bunch of people disagreeing with the video or adding their own perspective of a "psychopath" which is just a mean person in their life or a narcissistic parent or former partner. I feel people often conflate psychopath and sociopath. And, while I do recognize that psychology does have varying views on whether they are different or just variations of the ASPD spectrum I personally view them as different. In my experience psychopaths typically are more "functional" both in their professional and social lives because they tend to rationalize every decision. They choose the one that is most economical and rarely choose something out of malice unless they have underlying sadistic traits(something not unique to just psychopaths). Pure logic rarely dictates a path that is going to sever social ties because it will hurt they psychopaths optionality and position. Psychopathy is weirdly kind of autistic in nature. Except you have a keen understanding of what someone should do in a social situation but are then confused when that outcome doesn't happen due to the other party's non-rational response. As opposed to what my autistic friends have told me they experience which is being confused by what you should do in social situation. Paychopaths typically have a keen understanding of social norms but they lack the intuitive understanding of why they are practiced and treat them more like rituals in order to "fit in." I often find it puzzling that the side who claims that they care more for other people is also the side that demonizes and wants to ostracize 1% of the population for having different brain chemistry. Granted there are most certainly bad people with psychopathy just like there are bad people without psychopathy. And of course there is also probably a higher amount per-capita of bad individuals in this subset of the population. But, I would also say that they are a misunderstood population. And example I will give is of a friend of mine who is on the opposite end of the spectrum, someone who is hyper empathetic. We were both playing a game where the text box described a surgery and he had to avert his attention so as to not be overwhelmed by a moderately descriptive text depiction of surgery. Meanwhile in real life I work as a Paramedic and can stomach far more gruesome visual stimuli without batting an eye. I read/heard something awhile back that stuck with me. Generics loads the gun, upbringing aims it, and the individual pulls the trigger. I am not making an argument that I am a good person or that I should be a token example of a moral psychopath. There are many good/decent people with psychopathy, but peoples biases won't allow them to see that. As well as the clinical criteria is written for only people with violent/maladjusted tendencies while leaving out the vast majority of the demographic.

[@zimpetrichor4919]

This neuroscientist and psychologist described things beautifully, I've been studying psychology for the last 8 years and this is definitely one of the most valuable videos I've ever come across. Thank you!

[@paulshortall6734]

Altruism is known to be quid pro quo ; I help you and you help me - it’s well documented and understood across populations. Psychopaths are know to be anxious just not about the same things as normal are and actually “enjoy” fear. Psychopathy may in fact be a defense against anxiety. It’s a dreadfully simplistic analysis given that many psychopaths run large important institutions. Also only a tiny fraction of psychopaths are narcissistic

[@1powelrainbow2]

I have worked with many of them throughout my work life, investors, bosses (not leaders) etc and it seems like the only way to avoid them is to be my own boss 😵‍💫

[@shakeyj4523]

There was a push during the 80's for businesses to select FOR psychopathy in the interview process, under the mistaken idea that they were good for business. You are seeing the results of that. They tend to self select for those jobs anyway, but it got WAY out of hand due to that.

[@1powelrainbow2]

@@shakeyj4523 new knowledge for the day

[@anaberthagomez9256]

...until you get to the psychopathic customers.

[@Manticorn]

Just don't fall into a pyramid scheme

[@JimSkipper09]

Very enlightening video. About 5 years ago, I began to become more introspective, although I’ve always been introverted (I’m in my 50s) so I don’t what took me so long. I began to read books about psychopathy (I prefer ASPD), and when I came across James Fallon’s book, The Psychopath Inside, I realized that he was describing me. I told a friend once, about 15 years ago when I was very drunk, that I’ve left a trail of destruction in my life, in my jobs and relationships. I’ve never been violent, but I have engaged in opportunistic illegal things here and there for extra money, even though I don’t care about money. I’ve never understood why I did certain things while I was doing it, because it seemed the rational thing to do, but afterwards I would think, Why did I do such a nasty thing? I thought I was doing the right thing (for me at least), but thinking back a few years later, I would realize how bad I acted toward others. I don’t think what I’m feeling now is regret exactly; more like disappointment in myself, although I can’t really express it in words. I have a very high recorded IQ, and three college degrees, but nonetheless for all my life I’ve lurched from job to job, relationship to relationship, place to place. I’ve lived in six states and another country, and when I move, I take no possessions (I have little attachment to anything) and I leave “friends” behind and start over, something I’ve always found an exciting adventure, at least until recently. I make "friends" easily and almost everyone likes me, but I never feel like I belong.

[@HadiUmarBhatti]

I liked the line that "to recognize emotion only means to it is to simulate that emotion"

[@rongike]

not if you're a true empath who senses emotional energy.

[@HadiUmarBhatti]

@@rongike EMOTION are innate and we are simulated from all emotions once in life at least. That's why, we can recognize emotion.

[@rongike]

@@HadiUmarBhatti well yes, but that seemed to imply like copying it actively, I used to mirror people automatically as well until I learned to stop bc I didn't need to keep causing myself wrinkles to understand what someone was feeling 🤣but I don't think everyone experiences all the emotions, like I struggle understanding hatred bc I don't remember experiencing it myself, also I'm not entirely sure what greed feels like 😳

[@HadiUmarBhatti]

@@rongike EMOTION is innate and we have experienced it once in life unaware of it sometime . So, it is only process of recognition not development becauseemotion isnot acquired character. Also you might dont know ow greed feelslike because complex emotions can be learnt and it is good that you dont know greed feeling as you didnot learnt it intentionally.

[@rongike]

@@HadiUmarBhatti hmm is it because at an early age I felt jealousy and decided that was not a feeling I wanted to feel again that I never learned greed? I think the 2 are closely related 🤔

[@sanjosemike3137]

Many of us were bullied very severely when we were young. This includes having had beatings. Some of us were followed around and beaten up by bullies. Both girls and boys. Bullying by females is usually in a different "format." Most of that is verbal. Sometimes online. Elon Musk was bullied so severely that he almost died from one of them. I too was bullied, but not as severely as Musk. I learned an important lesson by being bullied. I learned HOW to prevent myself from being one. I pride myself on NOT being a bully during my adulthood. I have been married for almost 57 years. I had a very successful professional life as a surgeon. I have a very happy relationship with my daughter. I think I learned from being bullied. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@eldritchhorrorwithwifi]

Iirc, that's probably more in line with sociopathy which forms as a response to intense trauma, psychopaths are neurodivergant meaning their brains are literally hardwired that way from birth

[@General-jk2qz]

Psychopath 1- It varies like other psychological phenomena across the population 2- Identification A- Anti social B- Lack empathy C- Can't recognize emotions D- No fear experience, no sweating, E- Amygdala don't grow to normal size in psychopaths, amygdala responses to fear and coordinates a lot fear related brain processing F- Psychopaths make a lot of decision based on reason and hurting other persons. Their decisions are usually not emotional and emphatic enough to relate and motivate other persons 3- There are some cures available for psychopathic persons and they can live a normal happy life

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

Psychopaths can lives a normal, harmonies and fruitful live

[@TorgerVedeler]

I wonder if anyone has ever studied the neurological changes in people who have been harmed by psychopaths and narcissists. Have they become harsher? Have their brains changed in order to survive?

[@zimpetrichor4919]

There is a famous Professor from Hungary who also has a KZbin channel (Prof Varkin?) and he stated that narcissism is contagious. I definitely noticed this in My Dysfunctional Family growing up.

[@noemidemelo8959]

I can't speak for others, but my experience as a victim of narcissists is that I'm chronically depressed and borderline suicidal, I'm doing much better than I did years ago when I cried and suffered a lot more and tried to end my life several times, much better indeed but I still have really dark thoughts sometimes. Also I have issues trusting people, and it's even really uncomfortable to deal with people in a regular basis, regardless of the kind and depth of the relationship, and the need or lack of need for trust with each person, I guess I've become quite antisocial. And yes I admit I've become a bit narcissistic, I still put other people's needs before mine but I'm a bit more self centered and grandiose, if that makes sense, it helps me to cope and carry on.

[@gezenews]

The hierarchy of needs or consciousness or whatever theory suggests people revert in empathy and thoughtfulness after experiencing enough of the same behavior from the people around them. There's also evidence your frontal lobe atrophies in isolation.

[@michelletshane9128]

My experience with a narcissist definitely changed me. I became a bit more antisocial, almost 100% a recluse. I really only interact with people at work and even that I find exhausting/boring/irritating. I don’t feel as much guilt for certain things anymore. Experiencing a death just made it worse. But I have hope and faith that I will be healed one day. I am broken in some ways, in others not. Taking it a day at a time

[@noemidemelo8959]

@@michelletshane9128 I hope things will get better for you soon 🙏😘

[@lunamig1006]

I once knew a sociopath, honestly he was far from the stereotypes, but he didn't want help and in the end I had no choice but to leave that ""friendship"", His mental health was highly deteriorated and got worse every year, it seemed like he had no sense of reality, and at that point I couldn't do anything, any criticism I made would make him In a state of self-defense or something like that, He really didn't like it... I didn't know what he said was real or not and I don't even know if he believed his own lies, He was always trying to pretend to be someone different and hated my friendship, not because he hated me but because he didn't want anyone to like him.

[@PerryScanlon]

I'm more concerned about the people who do understand all this yet do bad things. These people probably rarely let psychologists study them. A talented lawyer or corporate executive, for example.

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

I mean you are described majority of the people that diagnosed as a psychopath...

[@gothicgirlfriend7375]

My sister is a psychopath and she refuses to at least sit down and have a normal back and forth dialog. She's also seeing a therapist and unfortunately the therapist is enabling her but doesn't know because my sister has lied and kept things from her like how she's six years older and bullied me. And now that my sister is married to a wealthy person she doesn't even try to call me anymore. I'm useless to her. I wasn't even invited to her wedding because she's so jealous of me

[@orangestoneface]

jealous...but you dont say why of what that you have

[@seto_kaiba_]

Doesn't help that a lot of people seem to confuse "I think you are morally abhorrent" with psychopathy.

[@kouseitakeda9611]

interesting how psychopathic people blame their problems on others but while also simultaneously not caring about the welfare of others

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Correct. It's a paradox that they can neither explain nor justify, but it permits them to continue for decades without shouldering the least amount of responsibility. That's the key. And for any PAWGs, it's the *PERFECT* formula to always get what they want. Some even literally (yes, LITERALLY) get away with merr-durr. Happens more often than you might believe. Victims get nothing and remain invisible (or d34d), btw.

[@oneoflokis]

​@@Novastar.SaberCombatWhat's a pawg?

[@fj81191]

​@oneoflokis Unfortunately, I think Mr. SaberCombat may be here venting some unresolved racism and misogyny, because as far as I know, pawg stands for "Phat-a$$ white girl."

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

I mean... Everyone does this too mates.

[@siddhartacrowley8759]

​@@oneoflokisPhat A*s White Girl

[@williamdavidthompson6306]

Good video...nonetheless, anything that talks about curing psychopathy or "empathy training" is something of a red flag for me, in part because of the Elliot Barker experiments at the Oak Ridge centre. As well as being totally bizarre (lots of nudity and LSD), an important long term outcome of the experiments was that the reoffending rate of psychopathic criminals sent to Oak Ridge was significantly higher than those who went to regular prison. The reason for this, by all accounts, was that the inmates actually learnt to fake empathy, which allowed them to get closer to their victims! Read The Psychopath Test, by Jon Ronson, for more details.

[@devilinthebelfry7292]

Minds are wild. I definitely think rationally and try to put mine and other peoples feeling aside when making a decision. But, I also have a very strong fight response especially when I see someone else being attacked. Attacked by anything, it could be an animal or a person. I have and will fight for a stranger. For what its worth I took the mbti test a few times over a couple years and test as an INTJ.

[@rongike]

how do you make a decision without considering how that decision is going to impact people? that makes no sense to me 🤨

[@blackoi]

@@rongike There's a lot of decisions you can make that don't impact other people. Like what you have for breakfast when you live by yourself. Like having 5 identical black dresses you wear each day to work. Some people may be nominally impacted by the latter, but wearing the same thing everyday to work in a non customer-facing job frees me up from having my mental state interrupted by anyone who just happens to dislike my choice of clothing that day.

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

Have you strong fight response to fight other for no reason and bullying them too?

[@VladCodY]

Misleading title: but it CAN be MANAGED* (iin a particular group of patients) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="428">7:08</a> OK with the insight part, but they wouldn't change themselves because they suddenly acquire emotional thinking, but because their mistakes ultimately affect (through repeated trial and error) their success in their goal-oriented actions, right? So it's a temporary coping mechanism centered again only on their needs, which depends on their IQ and severity of psychopathic traits (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="24">0:24</a>), among other factors.

[@yootoob1001001]

Being opportunistic = no different from a lot of other people without psychopathy in that regard. Many people without PDs won't follow rules or change their behavior unless they can see that there are consequences or that they benefit from it somehow, and actually maybe it's worse because unlike a psychopath (who doesn't care), they will also lie to hide their actions out of shame, guilt, or fear. If people high in antisocial traits can't be "cured," I'd say getting them to change their behavior is at least some sort of trade-off.

[@ratz648]

Most severe mental disorders are unlikely to be ever fully treated. Management and reduction of symptoms IS the treatment.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

I'm worried that I am functionally a sociopath or psychopath. I was an incredibly empathetic kid, to the point that I felt empathy so strongly it was almost traumatizing. Now I don't really feel fear or empathy even for myself (no pity parties here) and can't say I "feel" empathy for others so much as rationally care about their wellbeing, as if my prefrontal cortex cares about them not my amygdala. However, when I was having severe mental (and physical) health problems during a bad winter, the empathy came flooding back and it was almost overwhelming. I must say, not really feeling fear has been incredibly helpful. I'm the first to act in stressful situations, immediately taking the proper action regardless of the threat.

[@krishadyn5211]

Might be severe stress reaction. You might never be as sensitive but you can be kinder to yourself, avoiding deliberate stress like outrage news social media, etc.

[@j.s.ospina9861]

After researching a bit on psychopathy I found many traits I shared with it. Lack of empathy, callousness, quick assimilation of shocking events, and resistance to trauma. I've always had some difficulty interacting with others and guessing what was I supposed to say in certain situations. I scarcely feel fear, or maybe I do not recognize it as such; I just recognize stress or adrenaline rushes, and the latter ones I usually enjoy. I wanted to tell other people "hey, I'm kind of psychopathic" because I found it very interesting (and funny, because I'm a pretty normal person with a strong sense of justice; not antisocial or "psychopathic" at all). But, apart from the very negative connotations of the term, mentioning it also felt very edgy 😂 I had been thinking about the psychopathy spectrum for a while, because there HAD to be degrees to it. Glad to see someone thought of it too and researched into it

[@jellyjams7217]

Interesting maybe how they just think logically about interaction making them be manipulative without actually trying to be. It’s just how they learned to behave

[@bigpurplepops]

The idea of "They victimized another person but it's not their fault; let's see if a different fix helps this time" always felt disingenuous to me... If someone's history shows an inherent risk to the safety of others; why should give away everyone else's wellbeing for a chance at changing them?

[@TheVeganVicar]

I tend to agree!

[@sevdeceezgiler7067]

Very thought-provoking

[@pulkitgrover6633]

Because if one changes, the possibility of passing the generational trauma is way less. If parents dont show love then child never develops a need to receive or give love to others. If a psychopath changes, so does the generation if not then chances of next generation to be normal is low. Its a bit generic but alot behavioural.

[@TheVeganVicar]

@@pulkitgrover6633 generic or GENETIC? ☝🏼🤔☝🏼

[@rdizzy1]

Because it is of no fault to them whatsoever. It really isn't any different than someone born missing their legs. They were born this way, and it can take quite a lot of mental health treatment for them to be "socially viable".

[@mariahanczewska8109]

I think that medical comparision of autistic people and psychopats would be interesting. I don't say that those are the same- of course not!- but problems with recognizing facial expression, something with amygdala and painfully logical decision...

[@athenapromachos3027]

I am autistic, and relatively face blind. I do experience fear, in fact I suffer anxiety and PTSD, but it's sometimes difficult for me to notice it in others. For me, I do want to help, and do care, and I'm good at doing things that logically help, like getting rid of a problem or fixing someone food, etc. The issue is it's difficult for me to help with the emotions stuff a lot of the time. It feels very clumsy when I try, and I have to reason out how someone is feeling instead of just "getting it." I also sometimes deal with hyperempathy, where even just someone upset near me freaks me out and I get upset too. Probably partly autism, partly sensitivity to emotion in others as a result of abuse and ingrained fear response to it. I think the difference is that we autistic folks do care, do want to help, but it's more difficult and clumsy since our brains often have trouble recognizing it. Psychopaths don't recognize it, dont understand, and dont care.

[@alexdenman9469]

Why does everyone here think they know more about psychology than the clinical psychologist

[@ThexReaper100]

Because it is a constantly evolving field. I got my degree in psychology, went back to school for business and all of the names and terms of disorders had changed in just 2 years. Conduct disorders don’t exist anymore, yet we’re extremely prevalent in my education. Hope this helps explain why some people are adamant about “knowing their stuff” yet don’t realize they’re outdated. This video itself will be outdated as soon as they update the DSM, which is now DSM-VI, it was DSM-V when I was in university.

[@Gabriellakittywitch]

Because each person is the smartest according to each person.

[@aaliyahbeeby]

Tbh it’s absurd to think there’s not a decent amount of people outside the psychology field that understands it without a degree. Meaning, psychology is just the study of the human mind so after a certain amount of interactions it would just be naive to ignore toxic behavior because “i don’t have a degree in psychology therefore i don’t know what i’m talking about”. At the end of the day, when we read textbooks we’re just reading someone else’s theories and hypotheses proven evident so applying that same logic how do you *know* it’s objectively right? This is leading to people rejecting self agency and seeking answers externally to others who in turn become arrogant and create a class system that separates them from the have and the have nots. For the most part everyone knows what best for themselves, the problem is we try to use the same band aid for everyone leading to problems in guise of solution.

[@joeseabreeze]

Because it’s the Internet, where the Dunning-Kruger effect is in full force

[@crystalcole888]

Because being a clinical psychologist, or any kind of professional, does not automatically mean that you are 100% right 100% of the time. Because some of the things she is implying in the video don't hold up to scrutiny. Because our knowledge base is constantly evolving, and so are the theories about psychopathy. And finally, if everyone with a degree was right all of the time, then they would all agree with each other. But they don't. So I'm afraid the debates will go on.

[@mollyringwerm9224]

The word "treated" in this context is extremely nebulous. Behavioral modification isn't treatment in the sense that somebody is being healed (made whole) from a condition characterized by an internal void. Psychopathy is a total dissociation from one's very being/awareness/soul with a foundation hatred and mistrust of other (relationship with the mother in infancy projected onto society). Behavioral modification is nothing more than a way for the psychopath's experiences with others to be easier for them and to avoid legal liability. Learning how to not get in trouble will feed into grandiosity, in a different flavor.

[@laurenj6771]

I really appreciate this! I think there are a lot of misconceptions about psychopathy when it really comes down to caring about others. I recently saw a thread on Reddit that was about ‘getting your feelings hurt’ by unkind words of others, and someone said that the only people who don’t get their feelings hurt are psychopaths. Which I don’t think is true at all😂 I can’t really think of a time in my life where someone has said something that seriously hurt in a way that made me question my value. It’s just not how my brain works even though I’m a caring person! In my head, my thought process is always to either remove myself from a threatening or unkind person, or clear up any misunderstanding and help them to understand better, or just say something rude back just for fun :). My brain just doesn’t ever interpret other people’s opinions or thoughts to be more important than my own. However their feelings are very important to me. I feel deep empathy for others and never want them to be in pain, and am very apologetic anytime I hurt or offend someone❤

[@rongike]

yeah, people love to generalize, as true empaths we can sense the emotions behind other people's statements, so we know most insults come from insecurities and that it really has nothing to do with us.

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Cheap, cheesy insults and non-sequitur nonsense are easy to brush away if one is confident, competent, and grounded about who and what they are. However, when dozens upon dozens (or HUNDREDS!) of people collectively work to troll, cajole, harass, sass, blast, mock, and block a person... there's almost no way to evade ALL of those venomous strikes. 💪😎✌️ And that's the point of social media: to destroy person X, whilst simultaneously deifying individual Y. That's just how society rolls. "One must stand, one must fall".

[@RyanPatrick-ib2uv]

[@RyanPatrick-ib2uv]

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[@LouisSmith-wt9vh]

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[@LouisSmith-wt9vh]

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[@LouisRichard-ri4mu]

Interesting! But I'm new here. How can I get to this person's guidelines??

[@RyanPatrick-ib2uv]

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[@a777.7]

Some people just need someone to understand them , because they always one to understand others , I don't know why but I feel a listener wants a listener too!!

[@theotormon]

I'm a listener, but after a while I start to pick up on who will listen to me when I need it and who is only interested in being heard.

[@Dannydawson1984]

I’m totally fine it’s everyone else, I can tell you personally I’ve been a psychopath since the age of about 6 when the next door neighbours my mum and dad left me with absolutely tortured me physically and mentally

[@shawandrew]

Psychopathy and sociopathy are really pop culture terms. It is not in the DSM and not a real diagnosis. There is antisocial personality disorder, which comes close.

[@ratz648]

Yes and no, they are not just pop culture terms. They are legitimate constructs in psychology with years of evidence backing them up. Just because they are not in them DSM doesn't mean they aren't real concepts. Psychopathy in particular, is a label that is sometimes given to prisoners after they completed testing and forensic psychiatric evaluation. The PCL-R is an official assessment for psychopathy and many other tests such as the MMPI can provide evidence of such traits.

[@shawandrew]

@@ratz648 are these diagnosis though?

[@ratz648]

@@shawandrew sociopathy more or less correlates with ASPD. It's psychopathy that isn't a medical diagnosis. But it is given by forensic psychiatrists and is included in certain diagnostic tests like the MMPI.

[@shawandrew]

@@ratz648 okay, I will give you some ground in that these are recognized by psychologists. As I understand, these conditions don't apply for an insanity plea, as they acknowledge that the criminal is lucid and understands the consequences of their actions. Seems like a category created that basically means "likely to be a career criminal, or executive of fortune 500 company."

[@M3l_0N666]

I envy those who can feel less, being too senstive and nice is horrible.

[@zimpetrichor4919]

I definitely agree with you but I think it only applies to this period in time in the world we are living in right now.

[@dillanikobe495]

Spot on, Zim 🤙

[@zen5419-so8kp]

Same here. I envy those who feel less and looks at life as simple. :)

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

It's extremely painful to possess empathy, because humanity--as a whole (and especially the wealthy elite)--does not value it in any way. Humans are cattle; numbers; worker bees. If your arms get torn off during any kind of situation, the 99% would essentially ask "when does he get replaced? I'm sick of the screaming and whining".

[@seanwebb605]

Yeah, it sounds horrible.

[@KittySnicker]

I’m definitely not a Psychopath but I can’t say I care MORE than the average person. In fact, I might be perfectly average. Yes I’ll give to a homeless person or ask someone if they’re okay if I see them crying but I don’t volunteer much etc.

[@jazz_head]

How about those who have, one way or another, acquired cognitive empathy? This thing is real, but it's never talked about.

[@coraliecapital2825]

So I was one of these people then I got therapy and I now want to undo the therapy - considering other peoples feelings so much is genuinely exhausting

[@nataliaalfonso2662]

That’s cuz you’re still one of those people obviously hahaha. Those with normal intrinsic human empathy don’t have to consider it much. They just feel empathy.

[@rob.parsnips]

Well, thanks for changing in the first place anyway 👍

[@Robert-yc9ql]

It is said that doing the right thing is harder than doing wrong. Don't try to carry the feeling of others, just accept that they exist. With practice, you will become adept. 😊

[@coraliecapital2825]

@@nataliaalfonso2662 how this is funny to you is perplexing you have no idea why or what I’ve been through to even be like this and how much personal change and self work it’s taken for me to become self aware. 🖕🏽

[@nataliaalfonso2662]

@@coraliecapital2825 it’s funny bc it’s ironic. You think you’re not “one of those people” anymore. But you ARE. That’s why what comes naturally to others is so exhausting to you. It’s also why social cues, such as why someone might write hahaha when noticing an interesting irony, are, in your own words, perplexing to you.

[@natrod8073]

My experience with psychopaths was that they aren't empathic and can't benefit from introspection. I concluded they didn't benefit from psychotherapy, nor of pharmacological agents. It's a personality disorder, so, the ego doesn't identify or admits any problem. Of course, it depends on the age, and other comorbidities like if narcissism is present.

[@crawdad6354]

They certaintly can benefit from introspection as any other person does as it helps us reflect on our actions and assess situations in a more logical way. People with aspd tend to have a hard time recognising why they have a disorder in the first place but tend to reflect to a degree as they get older and mellow out on the more extreme symptoms.

[@natrod8073]

@@crawdad6354 What I meant is that as they lack introspection they can't benefit from using it to understand his behevior. Psychopaths don't have introspection and empathy, they Project on others their own conflicts. Introspection is an individual ability to view himself and how he affect others, to view how he contributes to problems and situations and psychopaths don't develop it.

[@religiohominilupus5259]

​@@natrod8073Um, did you read crawdad's comment? It clearly states that they're capable of introspection.

[@natrod8073]

@@religiohominilupus5259 i I'm worked with hospitalized individuals accused of crimes in a Correctional facility here in PR and my experience as a Psychiatrist was that they don't have the capacity for inner introspection, which goes beyond to accept a crime.

[@EstanislaoSantino-xk8uz]

How to becoming one of them?

[@boethius1812]

Good to hear this. I know narcissism can, because I did it, but goad to see psychopathy can, too.

[@smoly37]

She starts far too little back, when people were already settling down in small groups. Before that, humans were nomads. Her statement about the "group" needed for parenting holds therefore no ground. Empathy is build-in the brain, simply because we are a social species. We need each other to accomplish bigger things. Because we were cursed with this prefrontal cortex, that enabled us to think creative, but fysically we can't, for instance, build a house, alone. Or a set of new houses. Or a bigger building. Or a set of laws. Thát's why we have empathy by nature. It's far much complicated, of course. That bit about caring for each others offspring is something else; even bats do that. The other bats will look after the offspring that goes out at night to gather food, in the shape of blood. When she comes back, she feeds all the offspring of all the bats with her blood. But! If, one night, the female that goes hunting for food, fails, she has a mechanism that blows up a sack under the throat, where the blood is gathered. So now she LOOKS like she's carrying blood. And that reciprocity is established. Not, because she's that altruistic, but because she's "afraid" that next time, HER offspring will not be fed. That's the level of how complex this is. Listening to Robert Sapolsky, evolutionary biologist, is also very enlightning. But this is, of course, about psychogy. Another way of looking at the human brain. Amazing.

[@chillinJohnny]

Are we sure it's physical pathways and not just different life experiences that made them not as trusty

[@Bobbbybags]

Different life may experiences may very wall have caused those physical pathways to develop.

[@TaskForce812]

Wait… how is thinking rationally vs emotionally a thing that needs to be changed?

[@orenrob1914]

I think using the mind to overrule an emotional response with is different from using the mind in lieu of an emotional response, and Abagail would be talking about the latter as being unhealthy

[@RolandKoller90]

Exactly, she’s talking about a situation when you should be reacting emotionally. Like showing sympathy when something happens to family or friends, rather than a rational approach which may upset them in times of need.

[@Adzes]

My DIL was given a copy of the The Scream ..she never realized her friends knew she is a psychopath, hence them given her that print, it went right over her head.

[@axewieldingmilena]

Abigail Marsh is the best. The person in the world who knows the best what psychopathy is. I only listen to her when I wanna learn about psychopathy. I'm a psychipath and she is so spot on with everything

[@haricodeverse]

Useful and quality content as always

[@klowen7778]

Yep, and also thx for pointing out that Narcissism, which is a term often thrown about these days, also exists on a 'spectrum', ranging from low-level narcissistic 'tendencies' & self-interest - which we all need a bit of just to survive in the world... to full-blown narcissistic Psychopathy & the so-called 'Dark Triad' - usually associated with manipulation, lack of emotion, and even deriving enjoyment from inflicting pain & discomfort in _others._

[@luckyluca4720]

I don't know if I could be or not But inside something tells me that I could. So actually I'm going to be evaluated since I had behavior disorder when I was younger I don't feel emotional empathy, I observed that when I was passin' through a car accident.. that person was screamin' too much and I knew he was feelin' pain, that he was in danger and needed help.. and I noted that a people crowd were surroundin' him feelin' for him and I just passed by walkin', thinkin' how curious their reactions and his reaction was I understand emotions. Is not that I fully understand them. Before, I had so poor social skills cause' of that. I have to learn from other people to maintain these cognitive skills. If it weren't cause' my family forced to go to therapy I wouldn't learn nothing I had to work into my analizin' habilities, I had to become intelligent enough to get to adapt myself even just a lil' Luckly I have a strong survival instict. Let's say this was my motivation for all I did til' now. But is becomin' a problem when it comes to my fears I have fears. I don't fear cars, spiders, dirt, any accident or gettin' kidnapped. The only things I fear are things that I think or feel will be a threat to my survival and sometimes is irrational.. I don't feel pain, I don't get scared. I feel pain, and I become an animal. It has to be a certain type of pain or I don't panic, I can get hurt by doin' excercise and I don't care, I can get an infection in some part of my body and I don't care unless I can see something weird, I can cut myself accidentaly and I don't care, but when I go to the doctor or to the dentist is another world to me like someone else is inflictin' pain into me I feel like a prey without freedum to defend myself (I can recognize this been a problem recently) I tried to have guts and get out of the zone cause' I know is not good for me to fear that. I think it could be a trauma

[@noahsanchez5329]

i must say you did a good job putting the ad in the end. It was pretty funny

[@Blankult]

The one thing i learned after becoming an adult is that nothing in life is clearcut, it's always a spectrum. I had never thought about how psychopathy could be a spectrum and not a simple yes or no.

[@kouseitakeda9611]

maybe i am making an overgeneralization but i want to see the studies on the activity of the amygdala say in the brain of a ultra-successful CEO of a major conglomerate vs. a super world benefactor philanthropist

[@spartan36915]

Psychopaths are born, sociopathy is learned. The system we live in rewards both because it's designed by psychopaths. Psychopathy does tend to run in families. Psychopath families have been ruling the roost since the so-called beginning of civilization.

[@mjz16]

Narcissists tend to be cowardly. I imagine that’s cause of some kind of fear. But they are not caring. I think they are psychopathic to some extent. So why are they cowardly?

[@MielaMaze]

I think (because) narcissists do care about how people view them while psychopaths don't care about that. The coward fears his mask will fall off

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

Is there a way to prevent psychopathy in children?

[@triumph.over.shipwreck]

Abortion.

[@rongike]

don't traumatize them.

[@seanwebb605]

Condoms.

[@ineshvaladolenc6559]

Do's: 1. Use positive over negative reinforcement 2. Use reasoning not corporal punishment 3. Emphasize the importance of hard work and discipline 4. Show them the value of focus, strategic planning, and organization 5. Award good, pro-social and moral behavior 6. Teach them delayed gratification 7. Teach them respect for other people's boundaries 8. Enforce negative consequences and be strict if you have to Don't's: 1. Don't use fear, guilt, or shame to put them off behavior. Use negative consequences instead (especially taking away of privileges) 2. Do not be permissive and lenient to their demands. It does them no favor in the long term and will condition them to get used to getting what they want 3. Do. Not. Mistreat. Or. Abuse. Them. Period. They're blank slates, so while they can't be traumatized, they will learn and emulate behavioral patterns from you Psychopathy can't exactly be cured or prevented. But it can be managed and the child/person taught to deal with it productively and pro-socially.

[@ma8462]

I have a question though. Marsh didn't say anything about learning through experience, which how we usually learn. Psychopaths or people at risk of psychopathy can definitely learn to recognize other people's emotions and copy them. Kind of like Callum Nova in The Atlas Six. He recognizes and understands emotions, doesn't necessarily feel them, but he recognizes and uses it. For his advantage, mostly. Marsh sheds a lot of light on a part of what psychopathy is, but just a part of it nonetheless. What bothers me is that she gives this tidbit of information, which is great, a breakthrough to help thousands of humans, but she gives it as though "this is what psychopathy is all about, and everything before that was wrong". What do you think? I'm open to discussion. Just so everyone knows, I know a person diagnosed. And I would never have thought that save for a few instances. I love them and trust them and I'm absolutely certain they feel the same. I feel strongly about the situation, so please acknowledge that.

[@ma8462]

A point I forgot. Making a decision based on logic rather than empathy. Is this really bad? Come on. Isn't this what we're trying to do all our lives and the lack thereof is the cause of all our problems? I definitely think that's better in comparison to, say, being stuck in the mind of an adolescent or even a child.

[@DavidTonner]

Thanks!

[@ginag.1239]

Best explanation of a psychopath!

[@teletubbyfan8209]

ive always wondered if i had psychopathy. i exhibit so many traits i have to think about how things affect other people very manually. step by step, always logical, cause -> possible effects. writing compelling characters is very simple for me because of this i think. im well intelligent enough to recognize patterns so i generally know how people react to things. slowly ive been learning to exhibit empathetic behavior and how to upkeep a relationship, but im far from being ready to have a real friend. however , i have autism and schizophrenia. i wonder how much these things intersect to create similar traits to psychopathy without being it?

[@rocketknoxler6516]

My ex called me a psychopath because I told her “just because you think something is bad, doesn’t mean I have to also think that”.

[@momentswithyahya4239]

This was very interesting!!

[@starShadowe]

I feel like people can have a high level of psychopathy while also being able to read body language and facial expressions

[@SefyaneAlaoui]

is there the full video?

[@francoisstrength]

Woah within 35 seconds my entire life makes more sense. I am an anti-psychopath and I find 'normal' people somewhat psychopathic, and I'm particularly vulnerable towards actual psychopaths because the idea of caring that little doesn't compute.

[@burnyizland]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="381">6:21</a> I don't agree that rational decision making is not as motivating as emotional decision making. "This is the right thing, it needs to be done," has been my unemotional motivator throughout my life and I have experienced it keep me on task while the more emotional around me crumble and back down my entire life(I'm almost 50). For me there is no more potent motivator. This difference has been most stark in emergency situations. I am always the first to act and almost always the most competent - mentally and otherwise, while others are losing their minds I'm already helping those who need it. Do you think first responders are emotional when responding? They wouldn't be able to get the job done. When things go south I get c a l m. Afterwards is when I break down and all of a sudden I can feel everything - I have strong physical as well as an emotional responses to pain and injury and fear.

[@kornkorn4202]

I'm disheartened by how much of the comments are "well, yeah, but we all know a REAL psychopath is pure evil and would never change, right?" Ask who in your society would want you to believe certain people are predestined for criminality.

[@orangestoneface]

no , many real will not break law .

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

If meditation shrinks the amygdala by reallocating cells, could meditation contribute to the development of psychopathy?

[@rongike]

maybe, but I think you need a complete shutdown of core emotions like shame, guilt and fear to get there, I shut off shame for 5 years of my life and that alone didn't make me one 🙃

[@247werewolf]

@@rongikehow’d you stop the shame?

[@rongike]

@@247werewolf I was sleep deprived (awake over 24h) and feeling immense shame about an interaction a few hours before that just seemed beyond absurd to feel such shame about and I couldn't fall asleep and I wanted it to stop, so I think in my mind I managed to put the shame into a box and then I started smashing it until I felt a strange sharp pain in my brain and suddenly the shame was gone. I assume I broke some neural pathways or something. but eventually when I learned healthier ways to deal with emotions it came back and now I've learned to not panic about it and just allow myself to feel it, which gives me a sense of humility and then I can move on, so I would suggest looking up healthy ways to process emotions instead, bc the thing I did before didn't last and aside from the relief I got from not feeling shame I was still quite depressed and miserable then..

[@247werewolf]

@@rongikethanks for the detailed response! I can see how that worked for you, I’ll give it a shot. What did you use to do to cope with it before you developed healthy ones?

[@rongike]

@@247werewolf I don't think I had any good coping skills before, the best I remember doing is just going for a walk to "walk it off". but there's a bunch of YT channels that focus on toxic shame, where it comes from and what to do about it. I think Heidi Priebe has some good videos.

[@ronn0246]

I think what you are saying here is that psychopathic people can imitate empathy to improve their social life. But can they become genuine empaths?

[@AnnaLitvinuk]

But do they care if they have any relationships at all?

[@ClearSkyLab]

I watched the entire imprint ad knowing i wasn’t going to buy it. Like a psychopath.

[@pivanv23]

well I don't feel fear, because I lost motivation of feeling and living due to multiple trauma and surrounded by stupid people. does that make me psychopath? the recover makes you numb because of the severe level of pain you've experienced

[@teejay5432]

That sounds like ptsd or cptsd

[@ttunedaudio]

I'm definitely very anti-psychopathic and it comes with its own up and downs

[@godstomper]

Psychos are born, not made. It's practically a divine calling. But the problem is these people use their gifts for selfish reasons; power, money, sex.

[@mariettestabel275]

💯

[@BloomByCC]

That little nugget (amygdala) impacts so much!

[@andreasplosky8516]

Yes psychopathy can sometimes be treated, to a certain degree, but very often it is too risky, especially when the psychopath has serious violent criminal tendencies, and understands how to manipulate those who treat him. The risk is simply to great.

[@SteelyTheVan]

How does one differentiate selfishness from psychopathy or is it part of the same process?

[@triumph.over.shipwreck]

Psychopathy, or better yet Antisocial Personality Disorder, is a pathological and pervasive mental illness that often inflicts intense suffering on both the person with it and those around him. It's not a characteristic and it's not a flippant mood or bad habit.

[@goldendiamon]

Not every psychopath is a selfish person,and not every selfish person is a psychopath

[@JinKee]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a> george r price worked out a mathematical formula that determined that altruism and warfare were both related to enhancing the proportion of one’s own genes in the gene pool. This knowledge drove him mad.

[@WunderChancellor]

As much as scientists have tried, they can't read brain scans like books, and even if they could, the words would contain ambiguity and the observer would have biases. Psychopathy, depression, ADHD and Narcissism are ultimately labels based on a combination of research data and what our culture considers normal. Someone may act without empathy towards strangers, but be fiercely loyal to friends and family. Is that a psychopath? I guess a lot of psychopaths who never came within 10 miles of therapy got "cured" by channeling their violent desires into watching television and getting a job at a place where they can yell at someone.

[@justasmalltimebean]

We don't "decide" if we use fight, flight or freeze or help people?! It's completely involuntary

[@Stop-and-listen]

There are many examples of cases in Congress, and the White House.

[@drunkenstein_]

How is that and who that might be?

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

From 2016 to 2020, from what I recall, for sure! Possibly again in 2025.

[@anticom6099]

@@skiphoffenflaven8004now

[@dillanikobe495]

@drunkenstein Instigator alert 🚨

[@---Dana----]

Says MAGA. 😂😂😂

[@dill6827]

Psychopathic and at the other end of the spectrum is Empathic, right?

[@triumph.over.shipwreck]

Not according to the DSM.

[@eIicit]

The world requires all types of people. Everyone has their place and purpose and has their unique nature for a reason.

[@joey_maldonado]

Now I could understand some of my conservative brothers more

[@jamesleblanc4066]

Spoken like a true psychopath

[@jamesleblanc4066]

Spoken like a true psychopath

[@graceg3250]

She didn’t talk about a brain cure; just behavior modification. And it’s been shown that psychopaths become more manipulative when they’ve been taught about what is expected of them to socially behave. I wish there were a brain cure, as there is a chance a child of mine could develop this condition because my father had it.

[@douwemusic]

"The caring continuum" sounded like "the Karen continuum" and that is incredibly apt

[@LenaFerrari]

First things first, psychopath is an outdated term and not really a real thing. It's an outdated (mis)understanding of some presentations of antisocial personality disorder and a way people justify other people doing evil things, who are not necessarily mentally ill (not everyone who does evil things is mentally ill and not everyone with a personality disorder is evil, shocker). Also, caring and having empathy are two different things. You may not be able to feel bad for the person, but you may still care THEY feel bad

[@mainakduttamajumder2473]

So they cannot appreciate other people's fear. So why do they deliberately intimidate. They are just criminals that have not been dealt with.

[@philpphilp2731]

Empathy is a spectrum. Psychopaths have no emotions tied to memory ie memory is shit. So can debrief Psychos but it needs being done every few days

[@orangestoneface]

psychopathic traits. Evidence exists that these individuals have impaired emotional memory.

[@elettner]

How can neuro-structures change?

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

Good description of tRump in partial. Why do the majority of people LOVE to follow triadic personalities?

[@triumph.over.shipwreck]

You could answer that since he's so much on your mind

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

I can and have answered that long ago. 8 billion Great Apes are familiar with evil. My interest is in the brain and neuroscience which explains damaged brains such as tRump and Biden and all of Congress, neoliberals, populists an neo-Nazis.

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

​@@triumph.over.shipwreckNo, what my interest is lies in the curiosity of the triadic personality and why these robots are so clueless about life.

[@triumph.over.shipwreck]

@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 Restating what you previously said while omitting your previous focal point of Trump does nothing for this conversation. Why did you reply in such a dull fashion?

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

​​Because this video is about psychopathy NOT tRump! My focal path is about triadic personalities. tRump is merely a very dull example.

[@jeroensoenen4054]

Not convinced. I feel that this way of defining/identifying psychopaths does not work well for female psychopaths. Recent studies show that there are in order of magnitude as much female psychopaths as there are male psychopaths. Furthermore how does this theory account for the fact that women more often than men commit psychopathic atrocities to out-group individuals while at the same time showing unearned compassion to in-group individuals (cfr “empathy gap” or David Eagleman, “The Brain”).

[@arresthillary9502]

men more often act out in physical violence for all to see than women do. female spycopaths/sociopaths cant fight you so they drug their victim or poison their victim or try to defame and destroy their target. see the abuse Trump has taken for years? you can subscribe that abuse to Hillary and her sick minions