The Quantum Mechanical Harmonic Oscillator: An Algebraic Derivation

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@avananana
@avananana 6 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what this is, but since it's math and cool formulas, I'm gonna watch it anyways because why not.
@jeremydarcangeli7093
@jeremydarcangeli7093 4 жыл бұрын
It is a quantum harmonic oscillator. It is used to discribe vibration of chemical bonds in a way similar to that of a spring. We chemists use it in IR vib spectroscopy. Ofc this models has limitations
@Therock151214
@Therock151214 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremydarcangeli7093 the most correct model is the one described using Dirac Equation.
@46pi26
@46pi26 6 жыл бұрын
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@curiousminds301
@curiousminds301 6 жыл бұрын
Videos on tensors please
@vinitchauhan973
@vinitchauhan973 6 жыл бұрын
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@TheNachoesuncapo
@TheNachoesuncapo 6 жыл бұрын
this video should be in youtube trends
@arsenzatikyan
@arsenzatikyan 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Quantum mechanics!!! We wait quantum field theory math explanation!!!
@zoltankurti
@zoltankurti 6 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is, nobody knows it properly to this date. :D Only quantum sytems with finite degrees of freedom are rigorous mathematically. Renormalisation in field theories makes mathematicians cry.
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium 6 жыл бұрын
"pls tunnel me daddy"
@daniwinckler5354
@daniwinckler5354 4 жыл бұрын
This helped me understand Ladder operators and the Algebraic Method so quickly! My own professor couldn't even explain it as well as you did! I definitely know where I am going first when I'm stuck in mathematics!
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dani! :)
@Rebel8MAC
@Rebel8MAC 5 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best and clearest derivation of the QHO. Your explanations are perfect. Thank you very much.
@willsonbasyal7883
@willsonbasyal7883 6 жыл бұрын
Germany lost today. Consoling myself watching you, papa Flammy!
@cristhianalanrojosauceda3042
@cristhianalanrojosauceda3042 6 жыл бұрын
I am a Mexican boi and i watch this videos lol my country is crazy about this victory haha (nobody expected that) I'm in love with this channel, greetings from Sonora, Mexico.
@joseruelas3089
@joseruelas3089 3 жыл бұрын
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@ゾカリクゾ
@ゾカリクゾ 6 жыл бұрын
i love the physics videos a lot! Papa Flammy's random week has been awesome, seriously.
@atharvas4399
@atharvas4399 6 жыл бұрын
omg this is my favourite channel. its like u r in my classroom. what a coincidence? for the last 3 quarters i have been able to watch videos on ur channel about something i learned in school. I hope we keep up!
@bassedandguitarpilled
@bassedandguitarpilled 6 жыл бұрын
How you did this off the top of your head is beyond me, this is the best approach I've seen to using the ladder operators for the QHO so far, bloody brilliant video mate keep up the good work :)
@MadSideburns
@MadSideburns 6 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be tough. Thank you for fulfilling our otherwise empty and miserable days.
@meleneleneme4545
@meleneleneme4545 6 жыл бұрын
Finished my quantum physics exam last week, nailed that shyt!
@tobyhardcastle6830
@tobyhardcastle6830 6 жыл бұрын
This earns a sub, the book I have at home gives a table of harmonic oscillator solutions but does nothing in deriving them like this (pretty much just calls it maths magic and moves on). It really bugged me not being able to derive these.
@hydraslair4723
@hydraslair4723 6 жыл бұрын
The first time I was shown this at university I was left in awe. We also started using Dirac notation from then on, which added to the effect.
@l.m3081
@l.m3081 2 жыл бұрын
FYI for those confused on the momemtum operator, the momentum operator is positive i*h dx so when it is squared the square of an i value makes it negative. whereas in this video a -i value that is squared leaves us with a positive value and thus the wrong p^2 value of h^2
@WLY2718
@WLY2718 6 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on operators and Schrodingers equation?
@omega_sine
@omega_sine 6 жыл бұрын
I’m no quantum physics boi (have only taken high school physics) but I still was able to understand what you are doing. Great video Pappa Flammy! Also I couldn’t find the Euler meteorites :(.
@derDavid1996
@derDavid1996 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you make a video explaining the base of what you are doing? I was baffled, because I never had a quantum physics lecture and I guess, I'm not the only one
@TheLastDacian
@TheLastDacian 6 жыл бұрын
I think the hbar in the thumbnail might need a square, although my eyes are not that good.
@davidalexander4505
@davidalexander4505 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great videos! As a side note to anyone interested: The reason the ground state energy is non-zero is because IF it were zero, THEN we would have complete certainty of the momentum. Since E = 0 => p = 0 => ∆p = 0 (since 0 ≤ p²/2m ≤ E). But since the particle is stationary, that also implies that the uncertainty in position x is zero ∆x= 0. Just as in the video, [p,x] = -i hbar. There is a theorem which states that the product of the uncertainties ∆s∆q (standard deviations derived from the wavefunction) of two observables q and s (things which have an associated operator, ie measurable quantities) are related to the expectation (mean) of the commutator [q,s] acting on the wavefunction such that: ∆q∆s ≥ ½ ||. For p and x, we get that ∆x∆p ≥ hbar/2. So, it can't be the case that the energy is zero quantum mechanically as that would imply that ∆p∆x = 0 (as argued above) which is simply false.
@deeptochatterjee532
@deeptochatterjee532 6 жыл бұрын
David Alexander Somehow you managed not to directly mention Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle once. Nice.
@davidalexander4505
@davidalexander4505 6 жыл бұрын
Deepto Chatterjee yeah, I didn't want to be generic ;)
@StefanKoran
@StefanKoran 6 жыл бұрын
You coulde argue if the non-zero groundstat is caused by the uncertainty. but i prefert to thing the other way. every combination of two operators which have a non-zero commutator are uncertain to each other. simply becaus to exchange them means that they influence each other. therefor knowing one (beeing able to certainly interfere with it) means the total collaps of the wavedistribution and as the two wavesdistribution of the operators are influence means the other is at is maximum distribution and therefore absolutly not kown. which you perfectly discribet with the forumular ∆q∆s ≥ ½ || :-)
@Honk987
@Honk987 4 жыл бұрын
There is one problem with your explanation, in general = 0 does not imply ∆p = 0. For example look at the ground state (or every other eigenstate of the Hamiltonian) and calculate the expectation value of p, it will turn out to be zero. But if you calculate ∆p^2 = - ^2 it is non zero. I would argue a bit different. Since ∆p is non zero for every physical state E = = /2m + = (∆p^2 + ^2) / 2m + is always greater than zero, if is always positive, which is the case for a harmonic oscillator.
@Zzznmop
@Zzznmop 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the videos papa flammy. They save me from the voices in my head, especially this wavy boi
@makro80
@makro80 6 жыл бұрын
A joy to watch, even on a flaming saturday evening. Cheers from nårwøy
@lanaalabbasi5315
@lanaalabbasi5315 3 жыл бұрын
I was literally lost. Your video saved me and your way of explaining made understanding these equations much easier! Thank you very much!!
@yvesdesille78
@yvesdesille78 6 жыл бұрын
Aha, I understand anything but I found this beautiful ! And, that's why I watch all your videos !
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 6 жыл бұрын
Daddy Griffiths is a lifesaver.
@jackcarr45
@jackcarr45 6 жыл бұрын
Oh my god I love the way you say Schrödinger 😍 thanks for another great video papa 😊
@HilbertXVI
@HilbertXVI 6 жыл бұрын
The Planck's constant in the thumbnail isn't squared tho .-.
@bianchiviolin
@bianchiviolin 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this brought back memories. Many hours of swotting to understand the maths. Tragically a lot of it has gone but watching this is magic.
@theflaggeddragon9472
@theflaggeddragon9472 6 жыл бұрын
YES! I've been waiting for you to upload this for a while. Please do more videos on quantum mechanics and operators maybe? I would kill for a proof of the uncertainty principle using abstract non-commuting operators.
@carlosvargas2907
@carlosvargas2907 6 жыл бұрын
Papa Schrödy's proud
@nabeelakhter5799
@nabeelakhter5799 4 жыл бұрын
You are the best Papa Flammy....I am binge watching all your previous videos while being in self isolation.Your videos made isolation quite fun.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
:)
@douglasstrother6584
@douglasstrother6584 4 жыл бұрын
The Harmonic Oscillator, there is no escape: Classically, Statistically or Quantum Mechanically!
@danieleferretti9117
@danieleferretti9117 6 жыл бұрын
Good job! Go on this way (It was intended to skip the Hermite Polynomials? I would understand: so long and not so easy) Just to point out: the solutions to the quantum harmonic oscillator are all the functions f of the Schwartz space expressed in terms of the Fourier expansion f(x) = Sum_{k \in N_0} c_k u_k(x) c_k arbitrary coefficients in \ell_2 (complex values) u_k(x) sonc of the Real set made up with the Hermite polynomials of order k To be clear with your notaion: (a_+)^k \Psi_0(x) is proportional to u_k(x)
@phyarth8082
@phyarth8082 4 жыл бұрын
N =1/2 (1 +2 +3+4 +5...+ infinity)=1/24 (Cat in Schrodingers hat) Numberphile v. Math: the truth about 1+2+3+...=-1/12 Ignore complex numbers Planck constant is very small :))) (I am joking)
@DavidPumpernickel
@DavidPumpernickel 4 жыл бұрын
i want a version of one of your videos where every time you tap the blackboard with your knuckles the screen goes red, it zooms in to your finger, and it's bass boosted.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
o.o
@antitono479
@antitono479 4 жыл бұрын
Big papah Flemmy flems , this is exactly what i needed for my Molecular Q.M class. Greetings from Mexico, papa bless little daddy
@xCorvus7x
@xCorvus7x 6 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, i. e. my browser and my cell phone, or do the links for the videos bout Schrödinger and the derivation of A_n not work?
@acwern1703
@acwern1703 6 жыл бұрын
Happy Father's Day, Papa Flammy
@Whisperfall
@Whisperfall 3 жыл бұрын
There's a typo on the thumbnail, the momentum operator is p-hat = i h-bar and kinetic energy is p squared over 2m. Which means it should be -h-bar squared upon 2m ...
@yolanankaine6063
@yolanankaine6063 3 жыл бұрын
That was excellent. Just found your channel and loving it
@lionelinx7
@lionelinx7 6 жыл бұрын
great one today Papa Flammy!
@joshuabonet
@joshuabonet 3 жыл бұрын
Papa Flamming this was a fucking amazing video, I'm currently watching as much of your content as I can. Can't get enough of it. Mathematicians will rule the world >_
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 3 жыл бұрын
@curiosityzero2151
@curiosityzero2151 6 жыл бұрын
Good Morning Flamamble math OMG! that into is catchy specially during 00:23 -00:25 And I know nothing about quantum mechanic. I am not there yet
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 6 жыл бұрын
Think I might have to make it my ringtone......
@ZweiZombies
@ZweiZombies 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice! Slowly catching up on my Papa videos Does anyone know why, when multiplying px by f(x), we get p(xf(x)) instead of (px)f(x)? Because that makes us use the chain-rule here
@sjoerdo6988
@sjoerdo6988 3 жыл бұрын
I realize this was posted 2 years ago, but let me try to answer anyway. Operators are always calculated right to left in the absence of brackets, since it is really a composition of functions. Notice that composing functions f and g we get (f o g) (x) = f(g(x)), so g is applied first.
@gerritbosch5269
@gerritbosch5269 2 күн бұрын
Also fun to use power series but this method is so elegant
@atrimandal4324
@atrimandal4324 6 жыл бұрын
Papa Flammy just became Daddy
@rhosymedra6628
@rhosymedra6628 4 жыл бұрын
us comp chemists call it second quantization, sweet book on it by Jack Simons and Poul Jorgensen
@physicsmathsworld2033
@physicsmathsworld2033 3 жыл бұрын
This concept is nicely given in Griffth Quantum mechanics book 😍🥳😀
@lordofutub
@lordofutub 4 жыл бұрын
Papa Flami breathing down the neck of QFT with these ladder operators
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
:D
@dgrandlapinblanc
@dgrandlapinblanc 5 жыл бұрын
Sympathetic excursion. Thanks.
@liamlau4558
@liamlau4558 6 жыл бұрын
That was spicy Keep up with the great content!
@Dhukino
@Dhukino 6 жыл бұрын
"Calculating A_n will be your homework"
@Silencer0151
@Silencer0151 6 жыл бұрын
We actually covered this in my Mathematical Modeling class, it was great!
@sonattyp6171
@sonattyp6171 6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna major in mathematics and mechanical engineering thanks to you and the spicyyyy integrals you do :)
@Alessar30
@Alessar30 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing better than some good quantum mechanics in the morning
@deeptochatterjee532
@deeptochatterjee532 6 жыл бұрын
Can you explain why squaring the momentum operator correpsonds to a second order derivative ( I thought second order derivatives are different from derivative squared)
@tiscojack
@tiscojack 6 жыл бұрын
Deepto Chatterjee What you're actually doing is applying the operator to itself, hence obtaining a second order derivative
@danieleferretti9117
@danieleferretti9117 6 жыл бұрын
The square of an operator corresponds exactly to that operator applied twice, as definition. Of course it is well defined iff the range of the operator is at least contained in the domain of such operator, like in this case
@deeptochatterjee532
@deeptochatterjee532 6 жыл бұрын
Ah, thanks everyone. I just started learning quantum and everything feels so weird about it.
6 жыл бұрын
Ah, but you didn't show where Hermite polynomials come from! You have to do that, too :D
@steamtorch
@steamtorch 4 жыл бұрын
a+ and a- , fond memories of QM I took as a freshman 48 years ago.
@bbblaesing
@bbblaesing 5 жыл бұрын
Where does that momentum operator come from? I've never seen it before but it's intriguing
@flyingbirds6794
@flyingbirds6794 Жыл бұрын
24:40 Sir, why you equated the a_(psi_0) to the 0? What is the idea behind that? thank you
@oscarobioha595
@oscarobioha595 5 жыл бұрын
Dont u just love this guy.. Lol ...do a fourier series for psi...thats madd, and use it for the function for defiinite momentum space..... I really love this guyyy
@nachrubi
@nachrubi 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation of ladder operators
@Absilicon
@Absilicon 6 жыл бұрын
What's your favourite topic in maths(besides calculus)?
@theflaggeddragon9472
@theflaggeddragon9472 6 жыл бұрын
Videos in abstract algebra would be a real treat Flammy ;)
@ARBB1
@ARBB1 6 жыл бұрын
Where do you make your thumbnails?
@talha279
@talha279 6 жыл бұрын
Will pretend I understood a single thing other than basic level calculus
@sebastiandierks7919
@sebastiandierks7919 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know an argument why the set of solutions you found is exhaustive, i.e. why there are not more solutions? You showed that there is a "ladder" of solutions, starting with psi_0 (Gaussian) and energy hbar*omega/2 and that is not bounded from above. But there might be a second (or infinitely many) ladders. I think I was presented a mathematical argument in a lecture on Lie algebras but that was quite mathematical and I cannot remember.
@mipmip4575
@mipmip4575 6 жыл бұрын
Didnt understand anything in this vid but still enjoyed it xD
@oldfire3107
@oldfire3107 6 жыл бұрын
You are awesome!
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 6 жыл бұрын
How about some functional analysis for quantum theory video?
@georgiivanov2029
@georgiivanov2029 4 жыл бұрын
29:12 i thought that the wave function cannot be real, is this because it is for some fixed state Psi 0?
@parkinfurkmaz2877
@parkinfurkmaz2877 6 жыл бұрын
18:07 He says Schroedinger with that sexy accent Also he keeps saying 'psi' with a hard 'p' ahaha
@alwinpriven2400
@alwinpriven2400 6 жыл бұрын
4:08 now that's a trick I'll have to remember.
@hoomanplays5496
@hoomanplays5496 2 жыл бұрын
i'm late to the party but this was absurdly amazing!
@andresxj1
@andresxj1 6 жыл бұрын
Why does it work just the first one of the three links in the description?
@sansamman4619
@sansamman4619 6 жыл бұрын
a challenge! can you remember the intro at the end of the video :D???
@GermanSnipe14
@GermanSnipe14 6 жыл бұрын
YASSS QUEEEEEN THE INTRO
@anilsharma-ev2my
@anilsharma-ev2my 4 жыл бұрын
How i know about plank constant about any building its strength is known by us with instruments without any big torsion
@robertleeshinkle8446
@robertleeshinkle8446 6 жыл бұрын
ℏ is pronounced "h-bar", and I don't know if that is a language barrier that you didn't know, but figured it would be respectful to bring it up :^)
@radiotv624
@radiotv624 6 жыл бұрын
Yes I love these videos
@LydellAaron
@LydellAaron 4 жыл бұрын
Can you help me apply this equation. Suppose that my wave equation (Psi) is composed of oscillators tuned at F1, F2, F3...FN orthogonal frequencies.
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 6 жыл бұрын
Noob Question: there's obviously a reason why you can't cancel the wavefunctions. Why? Is it something to do with their complex branches? EDIT: I see now the things. The purpose of the shrodinger equation is not to find the energies, but the wavefunctions.
@majhnicudovitisvet
@majhnicudovitisvet 6 жыл бұрын
i did, thank you. Would love to see solution for many particles :)
@jan861
@jan861 4 жыл бұрын
Did you mention Papa Griffiths? ;-)
@alyhassan6526
@alyhassan6526 6 жыл бұрын
derive schrodinger eqn please
@filipecoelho5754
@filipecoelho5754 5 жыл бұрын
Schrodinger equation can't be derived. Just like F=ma, the schrodinger equation is a fundamental law of mechanics
@bryantwiltrout5492
@bryantwiltrout5492 4 жыл бұрын
Just when you thought you could just straight up FOIL the shit out of that, turns out you can’t.
@alwinpriven2400
@alwinpriven2400 6 жыл бұрын
Hamiltonian is the boi with the NP complete path?
@samonellasgayclone1054
@samonellasgayclone1054 6 жыл бұрын
congrats on 16k!
@FuhrerShattercore
@FuhrerShattercore 6 жыл бұрын
That was juicy af fam
@swagat14gameplays
@swagat14gameplays 3 жыл бұрын
PAPA FLAMMMMYYYY
@mortadhaalaa5907
@mortadhaalaa5907 6 жыл бұрын
Another derivation: (Quite a bit shorter at the cost of being a tiny bit too profane) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGmkiWqHg5trmNk
@TheNachoesuncapo
@TheNachoesuncapo 6 жыл бұрын
en argentina hoy es el dia del papá(padre(pappa))
@snejpu2508
@snejpu2508 6 жыл бұрын
How about Schrodinger equation derivation? But without this crazy operators...
@willyou2199
@willyou2199 6 жыл бұрын
The Schrodinger's equation is an operator, its the Energy operator?
@Sporkabyte
@Sporkabyte 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the SE is derived as much as it’s declared
@rizkyagungshahputra215
@rizkyagungshahputra215 6 жыл бұрын
29:47 so the integral is=1?
@TheNachoesuncapo
@TheNachoesuncapo 6 жыл бұрын
Could you recommend a(or some) good book on mathematical physics/physics for mathematicians?
@bishbash111gb
@bishbash111gb 6 жыл бұрын
Nacho What level of detail would you want?
@gammaknife167
@gammaknife167 6 жыл бұрын
EXCUSE ME, did you just say the naturals, including 0, as if 0 wasn't included in the naturals already?? Shameful, I would have thought papa Peano would have taught you better. Otherwise, that was an awesome video, haven't looked at quantum mechanics before and until now I thought it was totally inaccessible. You made it make so much sense though!
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 6 жыл бұрын
Gamma Knife There are two separate conventions that are widely used, and one of them does not have 0 included as a natural number. In particular, including 0 in the natural numbers is very exclusive to some specific fields in mathematics.
@cyberwalkerkaan
@cyberwalkerkaan 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant !
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