The Qur’an Evolved?!? - Creating the Qur’an with Dr. Jay - Episode 45

Today Al Fadi and Dr. Jay discuss the two layers of the Sana’a Manuscript. The Sana’a Manuscript is believed to be the oldest Quranic manuscript in existence and therefore, taken very seriously. The script however has two layers of writing. This means that there was a first version of the Qur’an that was later erased with a new version placed on top. This is a complete taboo in the world of Islam as the Qur’an is said to have never been edited or changed. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay discuss the evidence proving that the Qur’an has, indeed, evolved.
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[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

The Quran was changed more times than a phone book.😳

[@mrcombustiblelemon2902]

The Quran was changed as often as a diaper, and for the same reason 😂

[@kinggamer_15]

@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣

[@sultanahamed2484]

Allah or holy prophet did not change but europea monkeys the nude edited quoran with the help fake European muslim schalors by creating fake prophets fake Islamic sects now China is attempting to change other few politicians altered the verses but firm believers and illumanted followers which verses r fake but like Bible that is being read under intoxication

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 ....................... The only book that had never changed and still the same as the original is the Qur'an. The Bible is being revised every year because it is being used as source of lucrative gains for being the Bestseller in town. -03-16- 24

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

And what do you base that on. Even the non-Muslims testify that the Qur'an has remained exactly the same. Except for those who don't know about it, say out of hatred that the Qur'an has changed. The Qur'an has been memorized by tens of thousands of people at the same time, and if any of them recited it incorrectly, it was immediately corrected. To this day, there are millions of people who know the Qur'an by heart.

[@alexandernorman5337]

Quran (noun) - a work of fiction ascribed to the god "allah" but created by man.

[@pakkarim]

😂😂😂you will regret ur words😊😊😊

[@kinggamer_15]

@@pakkarim we don’t regret to the so called “peaceful community”

[@bngr_bngr]

@@pakkarimwhat kind of threat is that? Please be civil in the comments.

[@pakkarim]

@@garybowings1538 Truth be told I'm not worried because as Muslims we know Allah.

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

​@@pakkarimIf Muhammad ever existed, he was using Allah as a front to get whatever he wanted. He had a sock puppet.👻

[@Repent4JesusChrist]

One of the best collaborations ever for the glory of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...🙏✝️🕊

[@temesgentesfay4764]

without lie Islam will die

[@kinggamer_15]

Islam absent, peace present

[@hebrews1112]

​@@kinggamer_15nice variation😊!

[@AlonzoHarris235]

With lies Christianity still dies.

[@kinggamer_15]

@@AlonzoHarris235 keep dreaming pal

[@hebrews1112]

@@AlonzoHarris235 Hi Alonzo, still alive I see. You've been uit for a while. Why don't you take thus ramadan time to learn from the teachings of Jesus? Read the gospels and compare that with the teachings of Mohammed. I'm curious what your conclusions are. May God bless you.

[@Enjoyinformation-hi9uo]

Nice video, but I think you should always have slides like your older videos. It would be helpful for your viewers. Great work as always. ❤

[@ethercruiser1537]

WOW! 2 different Qurans now recoverable on the same pages. A lower text that they tried to erase and then write over. This lower text written around 700 CE and then a more recent “standardized” Uthmanic text in the upper layer written around 750 CE! The Quran is not perfect or fixed, as it claims to be. 😮

[@vicmath1005]

The upper text may have been written around 750 CE. This is when the Abbasids start to rule. Abbasids did not have the Nazarenes in the administration. The qur-an is the text of the Nazarenes. The lower text may be older than 500 CE. The carbon-dating (of the skins) suggests even older than that time. We can't dismiss the carbon dating, because we need to ask, why were the skins there in the first place? The skins were there not in anticipation of an Arabian prophet's arrival, but because they were actively used by the Nazarenes for their scrolls.

[@ftk-forthekingdomministrie7439]

Great work guys

[@RandomMoves923]

When the Jews refused to be with them they left and " built their own Jerusalem"

[@adrine5193]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM ☪️ DIES 😂

[@AlonzoHarris235]

With lies Christianity still dies.

[@truthhearit1471]

​@AlonzoHarris235 Jesus is the way the TRUTH, and the Life..

[@annemurphy9339]

@@garybowings1538. Issa = Esau, not Yeshua.

[@adisadewa1337]

​@@garybowings1538 "Alonzo Harris" need to cosplay Arab to be righteous

[@ashb3276]

@@AlonzoHarris235 lol sounds like shaitan pissed in your mouth instead of your ears this morning ... you drunk now 🤣🤣🤣

[@Meks-]

*Jesus❤✞ is the way the truth and the life*

[@kinggamer_15]

❤

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@kinggamer_15 .................. How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Even though it is against his will and contrary to his teachings, he was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! To get further information on how Christianity and “Jesus” are invented in Rome, see the video with the title: THE CAESAR’S MESSIAH. -03-16-24

[@rockzalt]

So did Uthman allow some Qurans to be erased and edited while most others were burned?

[@winxclubstellamusa]

The Q was only standardized in 1924, so there were always MANY different versions being simultaneously made before that point!

[@123dsj123]

There is a Quran verse that has brought a sense of relief and comfort to countless Muslims around the world. The Quran verse is Quran 4:82. It reads, “If the Quran is a false book, you will find in it much discrepancies (contradictions).” This verse has brought a sense of joy and comfort to countless Muslims around the world; because nobody knows the actual “number of contradictions” that is required in the Quran to constitute (or to declare) the Quran a false book.

[@Leo-yx7rk]

One

[@Leo-yx7rk]

One error is enough to prove it false. The actual number of errors merely increases the index. Who remembers indices from school?

[@Leo-yx7rk]

Rule 1: Any number, except 0, whose index is 0 is always equal to 1, regardless of the value of the base.

[@Leo-yx7rk]

Is there an Index in the Quran? What about Bibliography?

[@Leo-yx7rk]

A list of References?

[@user-fd6tw2rw8z]

I am clearly clear after studying the history of origin of Islam, that Islam began not suddenly by single man. Some business men came to India from Iran and Iraq who later became successful businessmen and they needed religion and leadership then they gradually developed through 900 years collecting some ideology from different cultures and religions. It took long years. I have huge informations about Islam.

[@hebrews1112]

If so, start a KZbin channel and share this knowledge! What books have you read?

[@mummoniq7950]

And it spread by the Sword, convert or d..

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@mummoniq7950 ....................... Are you referring on how the Romans spread Christianity? -03-16-24

[@mummoniq7950]

​@@defenderoftruth3212 No, I am talking how the Arabs spread Islam through out Africa, the effect can still be felt...People still pray to a foreign God in a foreign language they do not understand and still hated and sold in Arabs countries....etc..

[@thedude9024]

Funny you mention businessmen.... because a lot of the Arabic in the Quran uses terms of commerce according to Al Murad

[@saloanyousif3308]

The distortion of the Qur’an is very clear in the upper and lower layers of the manuscripts.

[@nahdsaeed2068]

The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology As I’m again working on some of these early catholic unitarians, I thought I’d re-post this talk I gave in May of 2013, at the Theological Conference in Atlanta. (Here are the slides if you want to click through them as you listen.) This was just before I started the podcast. The paper moves quickly through some big names of pre-Nicene catholic Christianity. I show that they were to a man unitarians, and not trinitarians, as many would prefer to believe. This has been pointed out in some detail before, in the 17th century, in the 18th century, and again in the 19th century. On the whole, the trinitarian tradition prefers not to hear the detailed case for this. It raises too many uncomfortable questions. This is why they keep forgetting or covering up these facts. Since this talk I have continued to work in more depth on Tertullian, resulting in this podcast and this published paper. God willing, a revised version of this talk will be a chapter in a future book. Many thanks to Sharon and Dan Gill for recording and editing this. See their 21st Century Reformation website for many helpful unitarian Christian resources. You can download the video or audio of this talk there. 👇 Go to website trinities.org kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnnRnapqnrKbe5osi=3ArU1eTf_qJ-pdEC

[@vicmath1005]

Mid-8th century is when the Abbasids start to reign. It was then that there was a 'need' for the written text. Because the Nazarenes were no more around.

[@John14.6]

Good work again chaps.

[@danieladedosugbadero7373]

There is no doubting the fact, for all deserning minds, that the Quran was made to evolve gradually from Christian instructional materials to a new religious material for Mislems.

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Absolutely! And the real “Angel Jibreel” the is man who introduced the Bible to the Arabs, only for them to twist and perverse it and use it to create their own cult and then force it on others.

[@peterjackson2625]

That is very interesting!

[@RandomMoves923]

I believe so

[@arthurp-er1yz]

Mr Fadi. I just wanted to say Hello, and Thank You. I saw your appearance on wings of eagles(Christian youtube) Your Speach/a Testimony, is great. I especially love in how, your educating westernization on difference between for the ethnic dress, and Muslim. But, most importantly, i loved your lesson of our Faith. Thank You.

[@xavierbesnard9201]

Super !

[@user-ex9pc9ps8x]

I believe: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@mysotiras21]

Of course, the Qur'an evolved. We have evidence from Islam's own sources, as well as the many differences between early Qur'anic manuscripts. the Sanna palimpsest alone put several nails in the coffin of the claim that the Qur'an has been perfectly preserved. Great video.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@mysotiras21 ............................... Trinity is a product of theological evolution. In the early Christianity, there was no Trinity. The Ebionites who followed Thomas practiced UNITARIANISM. To them, Jesus was only a mere prophet, and there was only one God. Then later on, Christianity developed the belief that Jesus was the “secondary person” to God by adapting the Arian principle espoused by Arias. So, the christians practiced BINITARIANISM or DUALISM. But as time went on, after centuries later, another idea came to float. This is the Alexandrean principle, whereby Alexander believed that Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is not only the secondary person to God, but also “equal” to God. This theory was galvanized by the Council of Nicea of Rome in 325 AD in the convention spearheaded by Emperor Constantine where the different bishops adopted a proclamation in order to put the Alexandrean principle into reality and practice. This proclamation is called the Nicene Creed. But in the 325 convention, the Holy Spirit was not included in the proclamation. It took the bishops of Rome 56 years to conceive the idea that the Holy Spirit should be included as another being equal to God. Thus, another convention had to be called for to make amendment to the first proclamation. And so, the 2nd Nicene Creed was promulgated in 381 AD proclaiming the Trinity with 3 godheads. Hence, TRINITARIANISM was introduced to the christian world where the Council of Nicea decreed that the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit are one and the same. Trinity did not exist during the time of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). It is a product of theological evolution. But, you will be surprised to know that recently the christian church promoted the personality of Mary to a god herself since she is the mother of God (according to the christian church). Inasmuch as there are now four personalities involved in the divinity of Prophet jESUs (pbuh), what do we call it now, QUADRINITY? Or QUADRIANISM? -03-16-24

[@dreamcatcher449]

Thank you Jesus for all kindness you gave to us.. ✝️❤️

[@morghe321]

3:36

[@MichaelPetek]

I've just asked Chat GPT which surahs of the Qur'an are explicitly cited in the Muwatta of Malik ibn Anas. The answer it gave me is a list of all 114. So it seems that the Muwatta may have served as the standard for determining which surahs are canonical and which aren't, rather than the Qur'an serving as the standard (with cited ahadith) for determining Islamic law.

[@vicmath1005]

Wasn't this 'repo' of knowledge from Wiki-pedia? Remember, the computer has no 'knowledge'. The source has to come from somewhere. So, garbage in --> garbage out. Learn always from the researchers.

[@monajohnson3321]

Anyone watched the mini series called El Fatih...the conquerer ? And how they are bragging about how good is it to let muslim youth know their real history .

[@albertvandyke2354]

Isaiah 27:9-14, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line; here a little, and there a little. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing : yet they wourld not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem."

[@freedomwarrior-gt1pw]

Dear guys, If you have read Quran comletly to the end , you will find that what is called Quran ال قران or Forgan is not the book in your hand . The book that had named Quran is gathering of stories , myths, insaine claims , and arguments about Quran . The book that must be read in prayer ceremonies and daily prayers At that time it talks about Quran, there were no written Quran as we have it today . Accoring to SIN nor the vague man named MHMD neither khalifs have tried to gather all preachings as a book.

[@vicmath1005]

'Forqan' is 10 Commandments. The references are next to the story of Moses. That is what 'God gave to Moses'.

[@freedomwarrior-gt1pw]

@@vicmath1005 what is God ??. Do you accept abramic lies of archaic desert nomads as truth???

[@woodyharrelson2624]

Alonzo Harris believes in 3 Christian Princes

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Who is Alonzo? Neither of these are Alonzo! Stop commenting this under every single one of their videos and focus on what they are SAYING!!

[@ic.xc.]

Alonzo is a troll 🧌😡 that can only post bad anti Christian rhetoric

[@sarahlindkvist391]

I grew up with muslims, my closest friends are mulims til this day. I hope Jesus one day wakes them up. Feels like there is a pride in Muslims. They are hard to reach. Not open to the truth. To hear your story, from someone that also comes from Saudi. Wow! Feels like Jesus is coming to more and more Muslims these days. ✝️ God bless you and your work. / Blessings from Sweden.

[@comment8767]

Where can i get one of those Arab hats?

[@insectslayer1374]

home depot probably sells both black headbands and picnic rugs

[@davidabramovichkosciuszko4216]

❤

[@muskyoxes]

I still find it hilarious that when Allah was revealing his sacred word, he couldn't say "maybe i should wait just one more century for them to finish their writing system, and _then_ I'll do it."

[@WilliamRennick]

The important question is: Do the earlier verses of the Sanaa manuscript appear in any of the dozens of different Arabic Qurans in use today?

[@mysotiras21]

Great question!

[@vicmath1005]

Disclaimer: I have gone through only three 'versions' so far. All the currently available qur-ans use _pretty much_ the same 'rasm'. The standardised rasm. This rasm is not far from the upper text of the Sanaa palimpsest. We need to pay much more attention to the lower text - as today's standard rasm appears to differ much from it. This lower text appears to have been copied word for word from a very long scroll (mu-ṣḥaf). Note that 'mu' here is the Aramaic equivalent of the Arabic 'al' (definite article 'the'). A significant point to note is that, in this lower text, the surah delineation was done much, much after the rasm was written. Possibly it was done decades if not centuries after the text was written. The surah delineation in the lower text is just an arbitrary line. So there was no 'basmala' (as in the current qur-ans). Worse, the delineation created orphaned letters (one part of the same word above the delineation, and its second part below the line). These orphaned letters eventually took the form of 'mysterious letters'!

[@vicmath1005]

Don't also forget that today's book, regardless of the version, has 114 chapters. Only about 29 of these would have come from the San-aa Nazarene mu-ṣḥaf. Chapter 2, a Nazarene 'Moses Law' text, is not in the chant form. The lines lack a rhyme. It was/is certainly in the prose form. It appears to have been prepended to the rest of the text around the 9th century. Chapter 85 would have been a 'martyrs' hymn of the Najran Christians. BTW, these Najran Christians are considered saints in many Christian denominations. This chapter is also the subject of much theological debate in Sa-oodi country, because the book calls the Christians as beloved of Al-lah. Chapter 1 was undoubtedly a 9th/10th century work.

[@mysotiras21]

@@vicmath1005, excellent info. Thanks for sharing.

[@vicmath1005]

@@mysotiras21 Not at all. The Chapter 85 is causing a lot of headache to some scholars in Sa-oodi country. There is full evidence on the ground in Sa-oodi, and from many external sources, that the victims ("faithful/mu'min-een" acc to C. 85) were taw-hidi (= Trinitarian) Christians. But who was the murderer of these "poor victims who were martyred for nothing other than their faith in Al-lah"? He was Dhu Nu-was, who everyone has claimed since millennia that he was a Juw. But was a 'normal' Juw (non-Messianic), or a Nazarene (i.e. Messianic)? The inscription 'Ja 1028' in Sa-oodi country clearly points to the latter, because, after his attacks on the Christians, the murderer writes about his great faith in *_m-ḥ_md_* *_the lord/king of the Juws._* The palimpsest is the work of the community that Nu-was led at one time. Do you see the contradiction?

[@racecar15]

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@John14.6]

Strange but YT pulled my comment. All i said was you can get Shoemaker's book from a certain academic place for free. Let see what happens this time?

[@winxclubstellamusa]

It’s on Amazon!! It’s not an expensive book. And YESSSS a lot of us have been censored by YT for commenting the truth, and it’s the most frustrating thing ever, and is a violation of our right to free speech.

[@John14.6]

@@winxclubstellamusa True, it isn't too expensive but you can also download the Kindle version for free but I would rather support Academia than Amazon. I don't understand what goes on with YT and its algorithm. I have had many post disappear that are totally innocent of any offence - like the one I posted - crazy.

[@mozi4305]

Why in the Quran many many time Kaaanaaa ( Was & Were ) ???

[@Leo-yx7rk]

No answer yet? What of the future? Did Mohammad make any successful, verified, or verifiable prediction of future events? Did he relay any methods or processes unknown to any person at the time, but that would prove to correctly predict some future event that could not be instigated or controlled by people?

[@mozi4305]

@@Leo-yx7rk Why Maa Kaaanaa Mohammad"UUN " [ kaaanaa Meaning Was ]

[@Leo-yx7rk]

@@mozi4305 I don't understand. Cambridge Dictionary translator converts your latest post to: "Although Mohammad was un" Is your message truncated?

[@mozi4305]

Maaa Kaaanaaa Muhammad "uuun " ! In This point -- maaa Meaning - No or Not , Kaaanaa - Meaning -- Was or Were or Had , Muhammad " UUN " Meaning -- A Muhammad [ Mh-maaad or MHMD ] , [ Indefinite Noun ,]

[@Leo-yx7rk]

@@mozi4305 The Quran did state his aorta would be severed if it was false, didn't it?

[@aaronmusa234]

pastor Bosworth smith after learning arabic and researching for 11 yrs concluded ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language always in the hands of the people as each verse revealed the Bible was illegal for the laity to own from 325ad to 16th century ' William Tyndall was the last man burnt at the stake by the church for owning a bible. this speaks volumes. muslim 2002

[@ic.xc.]

Doesn't prove Muhammed to be a real prophet. 🫤😆

[@aaronmusa234]

@@ic.xc. signs given to prophets prove prophethood. for moses it was the exodus and his staff that were signs yet many of his followers turned back to worship of the golden calf after crossing the Red Sea. Jesus raising lazaras from the dead. healing the sick were signs given to him by god but most at that time turned away in disbelief for Muhammad the signs are in the quran. Big Bang of creation. universe expanding. man created in stages from the earth. noah floods regional. earth spherical moves in orbit etc. despite these signs in quran having been proven by science in 20th century. still some turn away in disbelief ....as for wolf in sheep clothing Paul ? he was given no signs. was beheaded in Rome at age 47 n t incomplete. clearly not under protection of god muslim 2002

[@solomonayofemisolayof4842]

Where is hatun Tash?

[@shahadathkadir]

The Roman Catholic Version of the Bible has 73 books . Seven more than the King James Version KJV . These Boos were said to be doubtful & not deserving to be in the book of god ,by the Protestants , so they threw them out as a fabrication , an . interpolation . Now they say the KJV is the word of God first published in 1611 by the order of his Majesty King James ( not God ), it goes back to the most ancient manuscripts , 300 yrs after Christ .. So the closer the source , the more authentic any document would be .The Church of England Newspaper - The finest version that has been produced in the present century . The Times - The most accurate & close rendering of the original . But 32 Christian Scholars of the Highest eminence backed by 50 leading Denominations , they said , " Yet the King James Version has grave defects , so many & so serious , as to call for a revision of the English Translation . The " Trinity" verse John, 5 :7 " For there are 3 in heaven " was throw out . The 2 Ascension verses in Luke & others were thrown out , in 1611 Martin Luther suggested removing 33 Books ,

[@shahadathkadir]

@@S98H04ELW I also failed to note that you guys say " scholarly bible study " but fail to say which bible . Is it the KV , NIV , NLT , ESV, NASB , TB , NRSV , GB , RSV , Catholic bible with 73 books , Christian bible with 66 boos , Orthodox bible with 77 books . Ethiopian bible with 81 books . Bishop's bible , Great bible , Geneva bible, Coverdale bible , leningrad Codex , aleppo codex .Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus < Codex Alexandrius , codex Sanaitics , codex vaticanus , to name a few .

[@BushDoctor-dw8el]

Sorry guys but you don't seem to understand the way God reveals his book to man, for this matter the Qur'an. Qur'an was revealed verbum "dhikr" in Arabic and not in written. The writing was done by some of the companions of the prophet under his supervision. So whatever writing you may find that is different from another is a matter of human error or probably some disinformation. The Qur'an is transmitted verbum from its revelation to date and to the last day. So you may argue or say whatever you want but you can't touch the Qur'an even with the slightest doubt in the minds of a believer. See you've messed with the Gospel and the Torah maybe but not the Qur'an. And that's the promise from THE SOURCE. Sura at-tawba:32 They (the non believers/ the deniers) want to tarnish and/or extinguish the book/message of Allah with their mouths and Allah wills that HIS message will reach all corners of the earth against their will. Now my friend say/do whatever you want but the message of Allah will reach every human being on earth. Good luck

[@vicmath1005]

dhikr is not an Arabic word. It is Aramaic.

[@hollyaldahir5116]

EVERYTHING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD EVOLVES OR CHANGES. THE QURAN WAS REVEALED OVER A 23 YEAR PERIOD. THE REVELATION PROGRESSED AS THE YEARS PROGRESSED. THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CHANGING HISTORY, CULTURE AND BELIEF SYSTEM OVER A 700 YEAR PERIOD.

[@suatyesil6529]

If you put lie machine nex to Dr. Jay the poor machine will fail😅😅

[@user-hu3vx9mx9x]

After the death of Jesus Christ only one man came in human history who honoured Jesus and that man is the muslim prophet Muhammad.But the Jews and their allies who killed (actually planned to kill but failed) Jesus christ is the deepest enemy of Muhammad who is the only person through whom the human have learned about Jesus for the second and last prophetic verses in the Quran. Do they really believe anything at all? The Jews and their allies killed many prophets including Jesus Christ. In the holy bible Jesus foretells of a messenger or comforter who will come and tell the truth about Jesus. If Muhammad is not that comforter then when that mentioned comforter will come? According to the Holy bible the Jews killed many of their own prophets. So it is reasonable that they would have killed prophet Muhammad. According to the foretell of Jesus Christ another prophet or comforter will come and acknowledge Jesus. Who is that prophet or comforter and when and where will he come? Many christian scholars predict that Jesus will come for the second time for mellinium reign in around 2031 but before Jesus that comforter is sure to come as foretold by Jesus The Christians and the Jews claim that Jesus , the son of God was killed by crucification. This means that they have been the deepest cruel against Jesus. It is a very despicable incident in human history. Apart from son of God they did not give Jesus the mere human right. But after killing Jesus heartlessly surprisingly they love and revere Jesus so deeply that Jesus is considered the son of God. It is very hard to believe a nation and their allies who have long biblical history of killing the prophets as written in the holy bible.

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

Validate the Trinity / delusions !!!!!!Exodus 20, New International Version The Ten Commandments 20 And God spoke all these words: 2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

I am not God and I was not sent for you. Jesus peace be upon him denies that he is a God. The proof is in: Luke 18:18-20 English Standard Version The Rich Ruler (18 And a ruler asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'") (No one is good except God alone.) Jesus peace be upon him clearly says that only God is good, which means that he himself is not God. In the Qur'an, Jesus peace be upon him says: (Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a Prophet. Chapter 19:30) As he himself says, he is a prophet and not a God. Another important point is that Jesus peace be upon him, was only sent to the Jewish people and to no one else. In the bible we read: ( But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Matthew 15:24) And the Qur'an confirms this with: (and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.chapter 3:49) You are a Christian, which makes you not believe in the Qur'an, but Check out what the greatest embreyologist says about the one and only Book. There are hundreds of other scientists who do that too, look it up on the net. kzbin.infoLlwpUuZreIM?si=5v0IIyFem2ier1fl

[@casta9172]

the quran was created by the umayaads caliphate , so you're incorrect,, there was never any civilization in Mecca because there was no water there and no trade routes went there, it's all in Petra much North

[@aln2790]

JESUS IS NOT GOD. IT'S NOT JESUS WHO CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, BUT THE LORD GOD. READ: GENESIS 1:1 BECAUSE THE LORD GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, THEN JESUS COMMANDED WORSHIP THE LORD GOD. READ: MATTHEW 4:10 LUKE 4:8.

[@petermack8398]

Karen talks as much BS as BBC

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ مَا هُوَ شِفَاءٌ وَرَحْمَةٌ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۙ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الظَّالِمِينَ إِلَّا خَسَارًا

[@casta9172]

Jesus is God

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

@@casta9172 I am not God and I was not sent for you. Jesus peace be upon him denies that he is a God. The proof is in: Luke 18:18-20 English Standard Version The Rich Ruler (18 And a ruler asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'") (No one is good except God alone.) Jesus peace be upon him clearly says that only God is good, which means that he himself is not God. In the Qur'an, Jesus peace be upon him says: (Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a Prophet. Chapter 19:30) As he himself says, he is a prophet and not a God. Another important point is that Jesus peace be upon him, was only sent to the Jewish people and to no one else. In the bible we read: ( But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Matthew 15:24) And the Qur'an confirms this with: (and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.chapter 3:49) You are a Christian, which makes you not believe in the Qur'an, but Check out what the greatest embreyologist says about the one and only Book. There are hundreds of other scientists who do that too, look it up on the net. kzbin.infoLlwpUuZreIM?si=5v0IIyFem2ier1fl

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

@@casta9172 Jesus had died on the cross،right , doesn't it sound strange that a God dies, or do you want to say that Jesus was dead for a while but the father was not, that means that Jesus and the father are two different gods , right. Doesn't it sound strange that God (Jesus) was an embryo in his mother's womb, he had to develop, then he came out as a baby, that baby was weak and knew nothing, he grew and became wiser and wiser. Something's not right here, right. If Jesus is God, who entertained the universe in its entirety when Jesus was still weak. If you say the father then jesus and the father are not the same God and here you worship several gods of which one is weak and has also died.

[@RECOLONIZE_RIGHT]

Common fight for handicapped Allah just don't say the truth 😂😂

[@gumilarbayuprakasa9427]

Well, bro. Please write a book as best as quran.

[@insectslayer1374]

The story in the lord of the rings would make more sense than the quran

[@collybever]

That's not a good defence though, it would be fairly easy to produce similar. But one would only want to write a few surahs, as one would need to have the outlook of the Quran author to do the whole lot, and that mentality is not entirely pleasing if one feels its badly wrong in places. It would not be enjoyable to produce a surah 9-like surah for instance, rather the more eloquent ones using Bible material would be easier, as a christian one not want to warp the Bible stories though.

[@mysotiras21]

That's been done. Check out the "True Furqan". Also, checkout passages in the Bible like Psalm 23 and 1 Corinthians 13. Both writings are vastly superior to anything you find in the Qur'an. Moreover, they are deeply meaningful and eloquent no matter in what language you read them.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@mysotiras21 ................. 1 Corinthians 13? What is Corinthians? It's one of the letters of Paul. It is addressed to the church of the Corinthians. Why this letter or letters of Paul find its way to the pages of the Bible? It's only a mere letter of Paul containing his mere ideas, mere opinions, mere concoctions, mere conjectures. Hence, this has no bearing at all to your faith. Believing in the words of Paul is tantamount to equating him to a prophet, or even God. -03-16-24

[@thelinkofperfectioncharity9469]

​@@defenderoftruth3212Jesus is Glorified from Genesis to Apocalypse, take out Paul if you want😂

[@Stupidityindex]

Religious belief is great, especially when you control what children are taught. Matthew 19:14 KJV: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel? God & Faith have a perfect record of doing nothing, so we have the sayings, God helps those helping themselves & nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. It is by God & Faith, The only sign given is that of Jonah.

[@Stupidityindex]

Jonah 1:15-17 KJV So they took up Jonah (he offered to help) and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice (perhaps his family & friends, or a goat, who's to know?) unto the LORD, and made vows. It Is by faith Jonah was picked up and tossed overboard, being mindless, he asked for it. What audacity, what gall, to suppose a deity, so unworthy, theologians & sacred text exist? Are we all to give a pass to this suggestion? It is by faith in God we have Jonah. It is by faith in God we forget Moses was the world's worst navigator, leading as if travel were done with one foot in The Garden of Eden? We are now mocked:

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@Stupidityindex Worst navigator according to what metric?

[@sw8741]

@@alexandernorman5337 Never mind him, his mother dropped him on his head when he was young.

[@thejohnwhiteproject5202]

Like Jonah was 3 days in the fish, Christ was 3 days in the grave.

[@DG-sn2js]

God did not make the Mormons or the Jehovah Witnesses. Satan did!

[@syedosyedo6626]

What's the point of these Christians sacrifice themselves about the Quran and knows nothing about it. They don't even understand their faith

[@kinggamer_15]

You Muslims will defend your false teachings and lies of Islam and Quran

[@AlonzoHarris235]

They believe in three gods. It’s a symptom of believing in the doctrine of three gods.

[@martinjackman2943]

@@AlonzoHarris235 His voice ..His voice.... ringing in your head .. All Night.. every night! ... "The Book The Man The Place"

[@mysotiras21]

LOL!!! is this the best you can do??? Thes men have OBLITERATED Islam over and over again, showing MOUNTAINS of evidence against it. Al Fadi is a native speaker of Arabic who studied Islam extensively before coming to Christ. he knows far more about Islam than 99% of all Muslims. Instead of lobbing childish insults, peanut, try DEFENDING your wonky religion.

[@necmettinmutlu306]

All holy books are in Arabic. Arabs had holy books before Muhammad. Muhammad was chosen as a prophet because he wrote this book correctly. It is quite normal for there to be pages of the Quran before the Prophet.

[@mhamedkhattabi5863]

arabs were known to be ileterate they had books before islam . get informed plz

[@mysotiras21]

NO holy books were EVER written i Arabic. The REAL scriptures were penned in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Muhammad NEVER EXISTED, so he could not have been a prophet. Moreover, the original portion of the Qur'an was a CHRISTIAN lectionary, written in ARAMAIC.

[@thelinkofperfectioncharity9469]

Respect yourself😂

[@mysotiras21]

There are NO holy books in Arabic. The Qur'an is Satanic, not holy. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Jay Smith believes in three gods.

[@martinjackman2943]

That's what you believe he believes it's not what he believes He lives rent free in your 7th century head

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Alonzo 👇 1) Allah 2) Muhammad 3) Al-lat 4) Al-Uzza 5) Manat 6) Black Stone Muslims believe in 6 gods. The first five mentioned above are in the Quran, and Allah asked Muhammad to consider worshipping 3, 4, and 5. #6 is an added bonus.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Christianity is polytheism. It teaches three gods.🥴🤣

[@albertraj7398]

​@@AlonzoHarris235you yourself are not one but you are 1 living being. You are consists of trillions of chemical compounds. you are not the same 5 minutes ago. A lot chemical changes happen in your body.

[@albertraj7398]

Body soul and spirit in your are not the same. All three have mind of its own yet they work together to fulfill a task.

[@aln2790]

THE NEW TESTAMENT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN HOLY BOOK, BECAUSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THERE IS NO STORIES ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. THE NEW TESTAMENT ONLY CONTAINS CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN JESUS AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OR JEWS, THERE IS NO CONVERSATION AT ALL BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS. THE NEW TESTAMENT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE CALLED THE HOLY BOOK OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

[@primeminister66]

So what is the koran then?..

[@Masowe.]

Are the writers of the new testament Christians writing for Jews and gentiles? Have you not read any book in the new testament?

[@alexandernorman5337]

With a statement like that you only show the world that you have never actually read the New Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John do not have mention of "Christians" because they document Christ's ministry up to the ascension. And his followers did not call themselves Christians until after that. But Acts chapter 11 fully documents that Christ's followers first began calling themselves Christians when they congregated in Antioch to escape persecution in Jerusalem in the years after the Lord's ascension. And Acts, Romans, 1&2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Thessalonians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1&2 Peter, 1&2&3 John, Jude, and Revelation all cover this era.

[@astrogoodvibes6164]

Yet your own stupid qur'an refers to Christians and their scripture and calls them ''people of the book''. Are you calling your prophet a liar? If you'd done a small amount of reading of the NEW TESTAMENT, you'd see that Jesus also had conversations with Romans, Greeks, Sumaritans, Syrians and Canaanites. So be careful, your taquyya is showing. ''Christ tian'' was the Greek term given to anyone of any race or culture who followed Jesus and literally means ''little anointed ones'' after the Messiah Jesus who is ''the anointed one''

[@gamerg0]

You: "I've got this powerful argument about the New Testament being about Jews. I'm going to end Christianity!" Everyone else: Lots of words. Proved nothing.

[@ChanPower-bl2is]

This letter was actually addressed to a Christian who listed me a number of points to confirm that Christianity is the true religion. I thought it would be good to share this letter with several. Perhaps someone can articulate the letter better than me. Thanks in advance. First; the Quran praises the Bible that Allah has sent down and not the one that is available everywhere today. The real Bible was sent down in Aramaic. It has been translated many times and many passages and chapters have been added to it. The Christians themselves once put in a newspaper article that there are 50 000 errors and contradictions in their Bible. We cannot attribute errors to God and certainly not 50 000. Second, whether Jesus came to fulfill or change the law is equally unimportant. What is important is that Jesus was sent to the Jewish people, the people who followed Moses and to no one else. He himself says: ( But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Matthew 15:24 And the Quran also confirms this fact: (and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.chapter 3:49) These are clear words. Jesus did not come for mankind in the whole. He was sent only to the Jews, So anyone who is not Jewish is wasting his time with Christian teachings. Third: The Quran contains hundreds of scientific facts that began to be discovered by modern science only in the late eighteenth century. So without modern equipment and tools, these would never have been understood by man. Because of this, you must either believe that the last prophet had all the modern equipment and with which he studied the secrets of the universe in his time or you must believe that he got his information from the true God. There is no third choice. None of this scientific evidence can be found in the Bible or in the other books. So the person who claims that the Quran was copied from the Bible that person knows nothing about this subject and will certainly not be taken seriously by science. Take for example the following. In the Bible we read the story of Pharaoh until he drowns and no more. In 1881 his body was found. The Christians thought that is proof of their religion, but it is not. In fact, the Quran says: (So, today, We shall save your body, so that you may become a sign for those after you. And many of the people are heedless of Our signs.”Chapter 10:92) In the 6th century, the Quran told us that Pharaoh's body would be preserved and in the 18th century, his body is found while he was drowned in the sea. This is clearly a rock-solid fact that the Quran is from the true God. A reasonable person needs only 1 proof to distinguish truth from falsity. The Quran literally gives hundreds of scientific proofs, and thousands of language miracles etc. Let's come back to Jesus Peace be upon him. You believe he died for man's sin. The following is what Christians agree on: But Jesus's death by crucifixion is one of the things that all four canonical Gospels agree on. First-how can a God die. A God who dies must have a creator who made him. Second- If we say that Jesus was dead but the Father was not, then we are acknowledging that the Father and the Son are not the same God. This means that Christians worship multiple gods and the whole construction of Three in One falls apart. Third, If the Father and son is the same God, and was dead with the crucifixion, who made him live again, and who maintained the Universe at that time. Fourth,If Jesus died for man's sin, what about the hundreds of millions who lived before him. Are they all in Hell? What about the people who are Christian and do very bad deeds, are they forgiven immediately while they continue with their bad deeds? And why should someone else take over my sins, Surely that is not of logic. If God would like to forgive the sins of mankind then He does and for that the death of another is not necessary and is not of logic either. Fifth, Jesus nowhere said that he is a God. On the contrary, he said: (18 And a ruler asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'") And the Quran confirms this fact with: (Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a Prophet. Chapter 19:30) Christians think that God in the Quran is a very different God from that of the Bible or the Torah. Allah is the same God who sent 124 000 prophets to mankind. Of these, Jesus is 1 of them. Muslims believe in the same God that Jesus believed in and they worship God as Jesus and all the other prophets did. All ex-Christians who entered Islam were surprised at first, since becoming Muslims they loved Jesus and his mother much more. That's why I say to you, don't fight Islam before you have studied it. If you want ten rock-solid proofs that the Quran is a Holy Book then you will get them, and if ten is not enough and you want 100 then you will get them. Perhaps you want 1,000. A reasonable person needs 1 proof to belief ,but even 1000 you can get because Allah has said: (We will show them Our signs in the universe and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that this ˹Quran˺ is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is a Witness over all things? Chapter 41:53) This promise was made 14 centuries ago and in our time we see it coming true. Allah promises to give mankind many proofs in the Universe, so many until it is clear to them that the Quran is from God. So Allah has also promised to give signs in the body of man. Let us add one. Allah says and this is addressed to mankind is the whole and not just the Arabs: (Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will ˹constantly˺ taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.Chapter 4:56) Every person who disavows the Quran, and I hope every person who reads this verse does not declare it a lie because if you understand the verse properly then you know that you are locked in that verse. You cannot avoid it. Every person who denies the quran shall burned and every time his skins burn he gets other skins in its place. Don't you wonder why Allah speaks only about the skins in that vers. Let us consult modern science: (Whit a third-degree burn, the wound is white or black, dry and leathery. You will hardly feel any pain with this burn because the nerves in the skin are Affected) That is why Allah speaks of the skin and also mentions the skin in plural. No one could have known this fact until the 19th century. Humans have three layers of skin and heat sensors are placed in them. I could list literally hundreds of proofs but that is not necessary these days with the Internet. Type into Google or KZbin "Miracles of the Quran" and you will be amazed wan what you can find. Again, don't fight Islam before you have studied it, you may be representing a false religion when you don't even know it. Good luck

[@frankcontreras8886]

At least 30 different ones

[@lahceno2168]

Learn. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijazah