The Raptor R is Jason's Favorite Car - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Hyphen - Ep 103

There's something wonderful about driving a vehicle that's the opposite of all the things you love. And for Jason, that's the Ford F-150 Raptor R.
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Jason, lover of simple, lightweight, nimble sports cars, is enamored of the Raptor R - even more so than the Bronco Raptor. Why? Because it's unabashedly what a Raptor should be. And everything that Jason ostensibly hates in cars:
It's heavy, it's inefficient, it's loud, it's an automatic, it has forced induction, it doesn't go around corners or stop, and it's huge. But it's also perfect.
Jason's highway encounter with a Rolls-Royce Cullinan made for some of the biggest laughter he's ever experienced in a car, and this leads the boys to discuss cars they love that are out of sync with what they typically appreciate.

[@ezb77]

The funny thing about the i3 is, that it feels better on a twisty road than most of the modern BMWs...

[@Moli571]

Does it have power steering?

[@ezb77]

@@Moli571 of course. Electric

[@catonehere]

All small cars do

[@ezb77]

@@catonehere Yes. Lightness and RWD help too

[@catonehere]

@@ezb77 old school lean

[@AutoJourney]

Patiently waiting for the Piëch episode, but this episode was suffice 😂

[@pablomoscoso6465]

Thank you for reinforcing everything I love about the i3. It was meant to be a city car, but they actually built a quirky carbon fiber hot hatch. It stands out with cool design, drives like a tarmac rally car and you can find one super cheap these days. It’s the car auto enthusiasts don’t know they love yet. I’m currently shopping for a low miles i3s to compliment my e46 cabrio with mild mods. Love your show!

[@iamsuperflush]

I used to live in Brooklyn and near my apartment lived a guy in a wheelchair with an i3. One night coming back from my studio, I saw him getting into his car. He would lever himself from the wheelchair into the car, and then the suicide doors and lack of b-pillar allowed him to fold up his chair and toss it into the back seat with no issue. That alone makes the i3 an amazing car in my eyes.

[@Moli571]

If you are interested in the quirks of the origin of the or there's a cool video made by Bsport, an ex f1 engineer

[@jhawkins05]

No clap?!? And Jason's guilty pleasure is a truck! What is the world coming to!?!

[@DogZy9]

I know, the end is near!

[@Moli571]

And different helmet!

[@S8ER]

As a Durango Hellcat owner who previously only enjoyed pony cars (like my 3300lb LS6 powered Z28 T56) I will say that modern full size house vehicles are an absolute blast and are the equivalent to riding a jet ski. Try to have a bad time on a jet ski... it's not possible. (also of note...I have a durango hellcat all stock, if I can get it to you I would love to see it in a video).

[@californiacanyonsandbackro2109]

My folks were just visiting from out of state, and the vehicle they chose for the trip turns out to be my guilty pleasure. It's a GMT 800 Z71 Suburban, mostly stock, just dual exhaust with Flowmasters and 3.73 gears in the rear end. I think the Z71 suspension is a fair bit stiffer than the typical family hauler versions, too. But the main reason I love it so much is that it ameliorates my less admirable driving tendencies instead of encouraging them. As much as I enjoy small, lightweight, sporty cars, commuting in them has become exhausting with the way other people drive. I no longer want to deal with that much anxiety just for a trip to the grocery store. But in the Suburban, I'm not so worried about being run over by other drivers who "didn't see me." I don't feel such a constant need to have no other cars anywhere near me. And being a 20-something-year-old truck, it's not like I'd worry too much about bird droppings or errant shopping carts, or really any of the other things that give me ulcers in my Miata. It's incredibly liberating. Just drive it places and park it. It'll still be there when you get back, and probably in about the same condition you left it in. It also happens to be pretty great at all the things my Miata sucks at. Hauling people, or my full-stack guitar amplifier, having cold AC, handling terrible road surfaces, you get the idea. As for the cars as avatars thing, I've always felt like an anomaly there. I tend to drive cars I like to look at, and that usually means other people like looking at them too. But I don't want to be noticed on the roads. Well, I want to be noticed in the context of, "hey, there's a car there -- don't hit it." But I don't want attention. By far my most frequently used words behind the wheel are, "get the fuck away from me." I get that for many people cars are the most visible material signifier of the social status and persona they wish to project. But sometimes I wish my car looked like a 10-year-old Camry to everyone who isn't me.

[@liammaupin9492]

My first vehicle is a 2006 suburban and I agree with everything you said and the specific chassis code for the suburban is GMT830!

[@Trendyflute]

I love the BMW i3. Never bother with the REX, just get the BEV preferably with the update. The range isn't amazing but usable, they're efficient, they have excellent visibilty, great interior space without being big outside, they're not that heavy, the carbon fiber chassis feels special. They drive properly nice! They have AMAZING seats! An i3 is all I want to zip around in. My friend had one for several years, he and his parents and me all loved the damn thing.

[@joeleonard9965]

I am 25 and so are most of my friends. Nobody talks about new cars when talking cars. Newest we go is generally 2015 or so but that person wants to swap for an older GTI, only furthering your point.

[@nirfz]

I sometimes have a different kind of guilty pleasure: I have driven my E63 (W212 with the 6.2L Na V8) under 10L /100km. (google tells me that's more than 23.7 US mpg). The first time, i was on my way to a birthday party, in 36°C so the AC was doing much needed work. It was a bit more than a 2 hour drive and on our highways i was going 10 kph over the limit on the display which means i am close enough to the limit on our highways to not be fined. (So for this journey it the limits were mostly 130 kph and 100 kph) Covered around 1000m height difference (only counted upwards difference), so wasn't just going on flat terrain. But when i was 50km from the endpoint, i realized that i was way too early, reduced speed and just "floated" on the first lane with 80 or so, without being in the way (which is important to me. Also, anything weighing more than 7.5 tons is only allowed to drive 80 here too, so choosing a spot behind a big truck and staying there like EV drivers often have to, to even reach their destination 😁). It's not something i do often but it's not hard to reach over 21 mpg (if google coverted it correct) in normal circumstances. (and that despite being around mountains)

[@KapuraIII]

The conversation around the 50 minute mark reminded me of the all-time banger Ben Franklin quote: "So convenient a thing to be a reasonable creature, since it enables one to find or make a reason for every thing one has a mind to do." that but cars.

[@Petrospect]

"do you not have automotive guilty pleasures?" derek not skipping a beat "-yes but i'm more of a wh*re than you so i have fewer things outside my realm of acceptability" this and derek suggesting a jet powered motorhome and jason going "that'd be cool actually" is what MAKES this show :) Also: the Cosworth Vega sounded like the BRZ of the 70s in terms of journalist clout, really strange car that's indeed *very* 'mudgeon in the same way the SD1 is

[@spacepxl]

35:08 That moment was just too perfect

[@jatinshukla9064]

Nah that submarine gag 💀 too soon indeed (it's not)

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

People tend to fall for vehicles completely opposite their usual tastes. The local rednecks all made fun of my dad's TR5 until they rode in it.

[@AG9229]

My dad has one. Pick your oversteer angle when it’s wet. Very, or extremely?

[@cabeallen1277]

Didn't Hoonigan build a Rolls Silver Shadow drift car with Hellcat running gear, rear subframe?

[@ahmadjavedaj]

Can we get Anthony on and get his automotive perspectives

[@evanrummel4717]

The 3.0 inline 4 was half of a 389 v8 like literally half it was a slant 4.

[@robbieschertz3726]

17:00 I am distinctly reminded of Matt Farah owning a Hummer H1 when he lived in Manhattan. Same vibes

[@cristiancovaci9821]

It’s time for a boycott, until the Piech episode !!!

[@Subboxstoker]

Then what pathetic comment will you make for acceptance from other KZbin commenters.

[@M67v]

I’d be tempted to agree but Carmudgeon is just too good not to listen to

[@davidr1368]

As a former owner and someone with their own love/hate relationship of the i3, let's also not forget that the entire back hatch is glass, adding to the insurance premiums and body headaches...!

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

Despite strongly disagreeing with your take on the BMW i3, great episode!

[@thetumanshow]

All the complaints about The i3 are dumb

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

@@thetumanshow not necessarily, but it's the uniqueness combined with its flaws that make it so special.

[@cgmoog]

For American cars how did you miss second generation Corvair turbo charged or possibly setup with weber carbs.

[@ZackNakazora1]

I gotta admit.. My guilty pleasure car is the focus st. Turbo fwd does the shift sneeze Choo Choo. Cheap enough I really couldn't care. Involks alotta 90s fwd shit box fun I had growing up. And it's actually like fast.. Bright yellow please

[@nickscapellato8248]

Guilty Pleasure - anything with a straight six. My friend had a 1996 F150 with the 302 straight six. Thing was a torque monster. I'd love to drive an old 60s Pontiac with the OHC six to see how it performed. I used to have a 1998 328i but had to get rid of it due to space, one day I'll own another BMW or something with a straight six.

[@fpieracc]

The opposite of a guilty pleasure is a proud pain

[@norgtube]

AFAIC it's *on sight* for all raptors. I carry a valve tool specifically for the occasion.

[@travismaulden7170]

Really interested to see if Jason likes the Ranger Raptor as much as he liked the Bronco Raptor.

[@assininecomment1630]

Jason, even as (especially as?) a Strayan, I greatly appreciated the 'World Police' reference, with "Murrrca - Furk Yeah!!" 😄🙌

[@JakeDrives1]

“Gurney Nutting” Jason: 😳. I’ve died. I’ve officially died 🤣🤣🤣

[@keith6360]

It’s blasphemous that Jason has not yet driven an Elan! Hyphen, make it happen.

[@questionablekumquats4437]

On the topic of American Cars from the 60's, you should look into John DeLorean's OHC straight six, and the Pontiac Firebird Sprint

[@Suprahampton]

I wonder whether Jason will still extol the Lucid Air if the NEVS Emily GT does go into production

[@redlion145]

Never heard of it, but I'll check it out. There's a lot of shakedown that has to happen from first production car to viable consumer product though.

[@michaelking6596]

Smashing that like button ...beacuse I like the episode is out

[@hilmibezeraj775]

I wonder what are Jasons thoughts on the new vr6 turbo crate engine from HPA. Any car he would like to swap into?

[@Trendyflute]

I have long had a weird thing where I want to put a VR6 into an AW11 MR2.

[@nickallain]

I am so excited for that miata episode

[@wheelspinmanager]

Well I would've loved to know Piëch's but I have to hear yours

[@tiredoworking9350]

Hyphen doing donuts in a longbed! Excellent! Raptor R 🤤 Beautiful BMW i3 😵‍💫 Deusy SJ!!! I grew up in the back seat of a gold over gold '63 Galixie 500! Datsun Z! I know a guy with 2, BTW! You two hit several dozen cars today !!! Great period.

[@diaperriflez9391]

One of my favorite recent episodes for sure

[@rsr789]

Mercedes 380, 500, and 540K's were also straight 8's. The 540K's came standard with a 4-speed and the last few years of production had a 5-speed option (this is in the late 30's)!

[@shannonkillingsworth1941]

As someone who sold an f80 M3 to buy a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with the 392, I agree with the guilty pleasure of a large off road vehicle with a big V8. Curious how the RaptorRRR compares with the TRX.

[@shr00m7]

My first car was 1965 Ford Galaxie 500 that my Dad bought after seeing it on the side of the road. That thing was roomier than a modern Suburban.

[@Will-cs3yb]

The F-350 story reminds me of the time I drove a rental 6.7 Powerstroke F-250. Surprisingly quick, worst turning radius ever.

[@jeddesemone8117]

Please add the Throttle House guys for that truck episode

[@williamfischer3990]

I think Hyphen should buy a new Ducati V4R and race Jason in the Saphire. That be a good drag race video.

[@Talynen]

Im sure hyphen is a good rider for a regular guy. Still, unless that V4R is much, much faster than the Ducati that Josh Herron (sp?) raced, you'd just see how much difference rider skill makes on a bike as the Sapphire walks away from it. After all, Jason specifically mentions in the first video the bike showed up that all the numbers they could find on it were way slower than what Josh pulled.

[@babyfknblu]

​@@Talynenthe v4r is indeed actually famously much faster than the v4s with any package, it's a super limited run carbon clad insane machine with a WSBK racing engine in it. dunno how it'd be to launch tho...

[@Talynen]

@@babyfknblu ok, that sounds like a really cool bike

[@OaksCU1]

42:40 how about the 60's Pontiacs Sprint models; 230 cui inline 6 cylinder SOHC that made decent power and revved high.

[@coldfusionftw]

The Ford straight six was available until the mid 90's in the F-Series and the Bronco. With a long rear gear, they were a comfortable highway cruiser, especially when matched with a 5 speed. Even with fuel injection, they retained that older character which is why they still appeal to some people. Not a powerhouse by any means.

[@devonschwan7294]

I was hoping a 2nd generation Corvair would make the "interesting" list of non-v8 American cars. I find them to be unique and interesting enough to warrant a few minutes of carmudgeon time.

[@BenjiTshi]

Day 1339 without a Piechisode !

[@jimiverson3085]

We've seen what a Raptor R would do in Tokyo - in all the Japanese Godzilla movies.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

My dad had a bmw 2002 when I was 6 and now I have a 1966 galaxie 500

[@AG9229]

27:23 crumpets are classless, mate. Everyone in England eats them.

[@tonyclewes8]

We do. Every meal.

[@joeleonard9965]

I thought the i3 actually drove decently for what it was.

[@thetumanshow]

It does. Someday he will admit that they are great…

[@leotam3372]

Would you still want a GR86 knowing that you can encounter oiling issues on corners?

[@aaronli6401]

i3 had substantially more range and was more useful than and e-Golf with the ReX. But yes the efficiency definitely could be better

[@moneyblade5]

Raptor R is great but at $160k market value the TRX at $70-$80k is a way better value for ridiculous truck fun.

[@benmoore2684]

Ungodly loud obnoxious vehicles that indirectly murder nearby citizens are some of the best. Especially when they sound like they're going to fall apart.

[@badrk9116]

1000% with you on Subarus

[@thetumanshow]

How’s that charging on the e-golf?

[@SvendP]

Did Jason sell his E-Golf? That weighs the same as the Rover

[@mythreepants]

Being 15 minutes from Ash-kash, WI, I aprreciate you Hyphen. And these days you are no longer a whore, merely confident in your automotive needs.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

40:58 you could have done the piechisode last month lol

[@zacht9447]

Jason did you ever drive the TRX? it's just silly kinda like the Wrangler 392 the pontiac Trophy 4 was just half of a 389 V8

[@AndreThompson925]

DUDE! Isn't Tom Matano amazing?!?!?

[@papa_pt]

I think since nearly all new cars have shit steering feedback, just going full ridiculous is the way to have fun now.

[@chainringcalf]

What is Jason's main complaint about Subarus? Is it mostly the weight? I live in Wisconsin; our state bird is the Outback, so I've driven/been in a lot of them, and I couldn't agree more with his assessment of the drivers, but it's for good reason. The things are all comfortable and slow (except for the FA24DIT, that's only moderately slow). They're a fantastic car if you don't care about driving at all. But if there's a better second car than my WRX to compliment an NA Miata up north, I'm all ears (needs to get me to work in the salty months, fit 2 50lb dogs, and have solid aftermarket support).

[@thetumanshow]

SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE I3

[@air-headedaviator1805]

21:17 A5? DTS you didn’t happen to work for Icon did you 👀

[@Dtamscott]

I did, for 6 years

[@arthurs7882]

Two fast houses, both alike in dignity...

[@rainsilent]

In terms of modern cars I'm struggling to think of 5 modern cars that I would actually want. The 86/BRZ absolutely makes the list but I would rather a 1st year without modifications. Something called the Lightyear One makes the list because it is Citroen of old modernized. Beautiful to look at, slow as all and a number of odd quirks about the design. Beyond that I'm really struggling to come up with ideas of cars that I would really pay money for if I had the money. A heavily, heavily modified Rivian R1S would be ok. It just has to lose over a ton of weight, get significantly better ride/handling and a completely redone interior. That or a cargo van would be my only non cars and I'd only get one or the other with the purpose being a long term travel vehicle for me to stay in isolated places. If I really wanted an electric car I would go Taycan Sport Turismo or Cross Turismo. I want an estate, not a sedan. Problem is that I hate glass roofs of any kind. I just want a solid roof. Beyond that there isn't anything that interests me that I can think of at the moment.

[@jameswhitehead6758]

The Ford 300 (@44:55) died in IIRC 1996 for the Econoline. OBD-II victim.

[@travistoole]

I thought this was titled "Guilty Pleasures"? Why do yall change it?

[@Anwar74]

I hear something about Romania, I smile…

[@popinjayjunior7698]

Even a 150hp hilux can do burnouts. Although it does have 400nm of torque

[@stevemartegani]

Jason is one confused individual... Loves the GR86/BRZ but hates Subarus LOL

[@siyamchunu]

that Lucid add at the end is real cringe, was that by design. Otherwise, great show gents

[@assininecomment1630]

Camry? That 3rd series of Camry also came in a wagon, and it spoils _all_ of the cred the sedan managed to garner. 😬

[@Santoshlv426]

Jason, Dererk great video and banter as always. @ Jason. I watch all your videos and enjoy them thoroughly, profanity and all but mate, please please please dispense with the "sound effects". Can't stand it !! It's the equivalent of chalk on a blackboard

[@Trendyflute]

I'm over the concept of guilty pleasures. You either should like it shamelessly because there's nothing wrong with it, or on the other hand if there's a reason that your conscience is nagging you about something, maybe you should listen to your own mind, and not take pleasure in those things that make you feel guilty? There's plenty of cars out there that give experiences I'd like to try for 15 minutes, but there are very few that give experiences I want to invest in enough to buy, own, and maintain for years on end. I hope someday to be able to afford a clean, unmolested 986 Boxster S perhaps. I don't need to cut the cats out of it, supercharge it, or swap a V8 into it. If I could afford to I'd put the Vonnen hybrid system in it.

[@michaelgordon2609]

OK so you guys mentioned a motorhome with a jet engine, and it reminded me of this LS-swapped Winnebago kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHbHeqileNqmabM

[@jonathanolsgaard5697]

1928 they were all28s

[@leotam3372]

Rolls Royce's and their "adequate" horsepower ratings...

[@ramdynebix]

American non-V8 that’s cool? Chrysler Turbine car?

[@rsr789]

Sorry Jason, but the submarine was NOT tragic. It was billionaires or multimillionaires paying $250,000 to go see the watery graves of almost 1500 poor people. What's tragic is that people get entertainment and joy from seeing where people (including children and babies) met a horrible end.

[@Aurora_v_cali]

Am i the only one that thinks Derek is hot af?

[@p0intdk]

The number of people who like the I3 in the comments here is disturbing

[@lvhdmya4807]

First

[@babyfknblu]

i can't believe jason hates the lesbians (subaru drivers)

[@ohmycar5304]

69th like 👍🏽

[@tormave]

B Sport just released a video about why the i3 is as shit as it is. A must see!

[@indiebekonn]

I would rather say that it’s a video on why it’s not as good as it could’ve been.