Does the V8 Jeep Wrangler 392 Kick the Ford Bronco Raptor's Butt Off-Road? Let's Settle This!

[@danconway660]

Wait, so you’ve got two of the most capable off-road rigs you can get and… drive them up a dirt road that a Honda Ridgeline could easily handle? Say it ain’t so, TFL…

[@dantheman9395]

Have to agree with this

[@texanerection]

Screw the Ridgeline, a slammed truck could do what they did…

[@50ccAdventure]

Tommy is slowly morphing into his Dad

[@RyanRKJ]

Better than standing around an unpaved parking lot and talking about them (like in some TFL comparisons between off road vehicles), but barely.

[@babaffos]

At 5mph

[@dirtycommtroop]

Just realizing that this offroad test is exactly the amount of offroading that 392 and raptor owners will actually be doing lmao

[@anthonyc1883]

Good one!

[@mattbrew11]

200 392 owners are going to Moab 1st weekend of october

[@JeepUSMC]

@@mattbrew11 190 of them won't make it 🤣🤣🤣

[@backwoodstherapy]

Meanwhile, a stock JL Sport on 31" All Seasons wouldn't even need to go into 4wd to get to the top of this road.

[@dirtycommtroop]

@@mattbrew11 200 wawaweewaa

[@davep2945]

Haven't watched a TFL video in a while and I decided to watch this because of the two vehicles involved. Not that I am in the market I just wanted to see what they could do. Having watched the video I still have no idea what either vehicle is truly capable of and I now remember why I don't watch TFL videos much anymore.

[@keepingdistance4404]

I agree. Like watching paid infomercials.

[@valiant7357]

Soooo boring. Fukn snooze fest

[@2_Bike_is_Life]

They didn't want to break almost $180k in vehicles doing rocks and rivers.

[@lunamaria1048]

Usually a TFL vs video is them standing beside the vehicles, just talking about them. This time they decided to drive them REAL slow on a dirt road, so they can hold radios and talk about their feelings. 😂😂 I think I prefer the former lol

[@mattlangdale7969]

I wanted a head up race

[@Eli-pf5og]

Hardly a realistic test of off-road ability. I’ve driven up country driveways that were more challenging than that. This was about as helpful as 4wd truck drag race videos.

[@CommieHunter7]

Interesting the jeep owner is there talking about "I bought it for all this crawling capability" and literally didn't go up the OTHER trail to the same point, where he could've experimented a bit more. Seems like bench racing to me.

[@fishfoolishness4222]

Did not see anything my 04 Impress couldn't have handled. Total waist of time, as usual.

[@somecarnet]

Those truck drag racing videos are the worst.

[@lunamaria1048]

I love TFL, but agree here lol.... I don't need to see 4wd drag races, and don't see this is some "versus" video.. I came here because the title set expectations lol

[@tri3pleagent]

This was a complete waste of time.

[@anthonyc1883]

I must politely say I was expecting much more challenging conditions, based on the vehicles and the title of the video. I did enjoy the in-seat, real-time perspectives from the two drivers, though.

[@TaftCastle]

Before watching this video: “I want to watch a good comparison video to learn about both vehicles.” After watching this video: “ I want to watch a good comparison video to learn about both vehicles.”

[@ojdajuiceman6139]

We know the specs and features at this point Give me more outside footage and less talking. Thanks

[@willhusting5007]

Love the channel. Was super excited to see this video. You basically trail rode and talked the whole way through? Was expecting a legit off road comparison video.

[@tivowillieb]

Same

[@lunamaria1048]

They talked about their feelings the whole time 😂

[@OP941nine]

That 392 sound 😍

[@kenyongillespie8652]

I think we would all be happy if we had either a 392 Wrangler or the Bronco Raptor.

[@thereisnopandemic]

I would sell the Ford, my family is not a Ford family. Chevy family

[@johnpeters9793]

@@thereisnopandemic That's a great story.....thanks for sharing!! I bet you like shiny things also.

[@lunamaria1048]

@@thereisnopandemic Yeah bro I'd like totally sell the Ford because my family is a Rolls Royce family. 😂

[@wRAAh]

At 14:24 I cracked up when the dramatic, heroic, epic music starts... while they drive these monsters down a nicely prepped road. I imagined a guy in a Honda Accord behind them honking because they are holding him up. 🤪

[@4WDisLife]

I miss the cliffhanger days.

[@mattlitton776]

Love this collaboration of you two working together. Thank you guys for doing it.

[@anthonywarren3656]

I was really hopeful for real off-roading in this video. Neat to see the vehicles together but overall a let down.

[@grisa12345]

Good explanations and they are what I’d expect. Still, it would be awesome to actually see these two vehicles tackle tough obstacles to see how they do. Maybe that’s pointless since they can both go anywhere and you don’t want to damage them. I guess if you run Holy Cross someone is going to have damage lol 😂

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

We’re taking Broncos and Jeeps on Holy Cross, but I need a 392 extreme recon or it’s going to be Blanca all over again lol. You interested or is yours still too new? 😉🤣

[@grisa12345]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Hey Dewie! I actually turned down the Sarge green 392 (didn’t love the color in person) and I put in an order for a high velocity 392 with the extreme recon package. It should be a couple of months before it arrives, so I may not be able to hit it with you before the snow starts flying. I definitely have no trouble getting a new 392 out in the rocks!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

@@grisa12345 I’d like to see that! Stay in touch, our schedules are nuts, but I think we’re having fun filming stock Bronco & stock Jeep trail guides that’ll we’ll keep doing it.

[@limpunsing2229]

As an oldtimer, I'd prefer a n/a V8 for long-time use

[@2pi628]

It's not just because you're an old timer. It's because a N/A V8 is superior. Especially where durability is a concern. Those high horse powered low displacement engines that they are putting in the Broncos are just one heat soak away from a blown head gasket, cracked heads, or worse. Everyone knows that heat kills, and with these engines Ford should have made the Raptor heat extraction hoods standard on all of them. Sadly the new Broncos will not be legacy vehicles like the old broncos. They are disposable. It won't be too long before we see the engines, trannies, and transfer cases ripped out and replaced with proven equipment. NP205's, Turbo 400's, and pushrod 5.0's with Holly EFI running the show.

[@scottyellis3442]

I couldn't agree more, I prefer the Bronco over the jeep but the N/A V8 is a far more superior engine. "Ford just put the Coyote in the Bronco & be done with it"

[@rashid138888]

Can we see v8 on gladiator??

[@LPM84.]

Id like to see more small displacement V8's in offroad vehicles under 5.3 C.I. They're light, small, reliable, torque for days, and have a great sound. I remember when the 1st gen Colorado and the Hummer H3 alpha came with an optional 5.3 V8, I wanted on so bad. They both sold pretty well too.

[@khakiswag]

Did they even need 4WD for this trail?

[@CA11100]

Don’t think so lmao

[@CommieHunter7]

No.

[@tivowillieb]

Ummm, no, I was behind them filming in my Camry.

[@yissibiiyte]

Kind of a pointless question. They're both ridiculously capable and can do 105% of anything you need them to

[@heytherebato]

You can def find which is better through extensive testing. Your comment is lazy. The bronco has an independent front suspension, and much wider base. That alone makes it much different, and frankly only suitable for one type of off road environment.

[@mechmat12345]

@@heytherebato lol, if by one type, you mean every type, except low speed crawling. The 392 is pointless for anything but sounding cool and bragging that you have a v8. A Willys Sport model with the Xtreme Recon is a better rock crawler than the 392.

[@heytherebato]

@@mechmat12345 and yet we are comparing it to the bronco, are you saying the bronco would do better rock crawling with the IFS? I think not. The jeep has a flat out better platform. Many offroad videos would do you well, the jeep's extra power more than suffices at lower gears without revving it, thats the bonus of a v8 vs the turbocharged engine under the ford's hood.

[@ajsturtz]

What’s crazy is when you realize the V8 Jeep only exists because Ford brought back the Bronco. This entire video exists because of Ford.

[@1984rx7302]

Great video! Good to see yall working with Ben! I hope yall do more videos together.

[@HarryKuloh]

Is ben the guy that does the dealershipBorrow reviews?

[@Winterfell1066]

I think the color of that jeep goes perfect with Bud Light,

[@michaelhendrix75]

Now, take the 392 and RAPTOR TO Utah or Cali and do some desert running and compare. Put them both in their prime element.

[@adamriner213]

Well we already knew Tommy’s option on the jeep he says it in every video

[@bltodd578]

The fact y’all can get invited one of my other favorite car reviewer (Ben Hardy) this gets a mega like. Good job TFL for a great review as always!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Ah man Tommy, love your videos usually, but this was disappointing. I thought you guys were going to go up Radical Hill (altho I wouldn’t recommend that with the width of the raptor). Webster is too easy for those vehicles and most of us know the breakdown of the differences of those two. You know we all want to see the bronco raptor vs recon 392 actually wheeling and that’s what the thumbnail makes us think we’re getting. Still, your videos are great so this is just constructive feedback because I’m disappointed, but secreting hoping you’ll reply that you were heading to red cone for video and it’s coming!

[@hzeat]

sorry to bug... this is Webster Pass? i've done Red Cone... didn't come down Webster. came back through Keystone. for some reason i've heard Webster is somewhat hard... but now i'm guessing some say that due to how narrow the road gets at points and the shelf road. we saw a shit ton of side by sides heading down that road. i am a subscriber to your account as well. info is much appreciated!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

@@hzeat This is Webster Pass, north side. I’ve been hearing people say that too and when I ran it recently, expected it to be severely rutted out. It wasn’t. My guess is people are accidentally getting on radical hill which is difficult. Handcart gulch, the south side of Webster Pass has more of a pucker factor due to a spot on the shelf road that is eroded tho. Both sides of Webster are easy trails though… I didn’t use 4WD low anywhere on this. It’s very pretty tho.

[@hzeat]

@@coloradomallcrawlers thank you much for the response. def sounds like a nice, chill, drive for fall colors.

[@r65-h4g]

Can't wait for the part two of the video where they take them 4 wheeling!

[@pablomoreno1999]

as always cool, smooth video, but that trail was reaaaaaally easy for those beasts and you know that. I feel like having those 2 and doing just that is kind of disappointing and a missed opportunity...

[@bosse641]

A two-door Wrangler with the V8 and manual transmission, that would be a dream car.

[@LGoody9273]

A death trap but a dream rig for sure.

[@zoomzoom3839]

You must be a maniac if you want a 500HP Wrangler with a manual. There’s a reason why it only comes with an automatic. It would be like the original Dodge Viper all over again, and it’s crazy how that car was even deemed street legal.

[@2pi628]

As a loyal follower TFL I officially christen y'all as the "Dynamic Duo"! Y'all are like two rappers that never skip a beat. . Come rain, sleet or hail. Rocky roads, boulders, and trails Give it up for Ben Hardy And Tommy from T-F-L!! . Edit: ^That's what happens when your viewers have had too much coffee!🔥😲🔥😂

[@FieldWorxoverlandadventures]

My experience owning a 392 and now owning a bronco raptor, for me the decision was absolute comfort, both are extremely fun to drive, in regards to the size of the bronco I’m used to driving big vehicles 1 ton trucks modified jeeps with 40 inch tires and wider axles etc., Once you get a little bit of saddle time in the bronco raptor it does not feel big, for me the big difference is when I’m backing up on a tight trail the visibility is not as good as the jeep, other than that it comes down to your personal preference but if you want comfort I definitely recommend bronco raptor, you cannot beat the sound of the hemi and the fun factor but then again bronco raptor every time I see railroad tracks driving down the road I jump on it it’s so much fun to go fast over bumps and off roading is amazing, If your rock crawling definitely I feel the jeep is better but the bronco raptor is more than capable, for someone like myself who does more overland and towing a modified teardrop trailer bronco has been great but also the 392 was great.

[@cbeserra]

Awesome! I love Ben’s channel! He helped me find my truck 😊

[@Deatomizer]

Ben on TFL? Wow... the channel is better for it :) Would love to see Ford bring the Bronco and the Bronco Raptor to Australia. It's made for our potholes.

[@m_m_m_beer8917]

Good to see Ben with you testing out the vehicles.

[@lunamaria1048]

"Let's take the most extreme off road machines to the easiest trail we can find, then drive really slow so we can hold our radios and discuss our feelings" 😂

[@stevebaumgaertner3991]

This video could have been SO much better had there been a minivan silently trailing behind the two of these rigs. Don't acknowledge it. Just pan back with the camera every once in awhile. Peak at it every few minutes through the rearview mirror. Catch just like half of it every once in awhile with the drone. 👍

[@dalejones4322]

To me, neither of these vehicles is truly off road capable because I'd never off road an $80,000 to $90,000 vehicle. Awesome but way too expensive. Great comparison though

[@carguyeyedoc]

depends how much money youve got I guess. To some people with a "fleet" of expensive vehicles in their garage, an 80k jeep isnt anything

[@dalejones4322]

@@carguyeyedoc I agree, that's why I prefaced my statement with "to me". While I could technically buy one of these vehicles, with financing, I would never spend that on one. Let alone take it and do serious off roading.

[@mechmat12345]

@@dalejones4322 Pointless comment. If I asked you what an acceptable price for an off-road vehicle would be, any amount you could say is too expensive to someone and/or a ridiculously low number for someone else. Plenty of people off road in $100k+ rigs, rendering your comment unnecessary self aggrandizing.

[@dalejones4322]

@@mechmat12345 I started my comment by saying "To me" to make sure people knew it was my opinion. It's funny you took the time to respond to what you call a pointless comment. The point of my comment was these vehicles would be too expensive for ME to off-road. No need to insult me and tell me that I think I am some sort of authority. They ask us to tell them what we think in the comments. Right?

[@yeahman1975]

Need more to this series, great start, now let's see some terrain diversity. High speed in Limon, Hard core altitude testing, and end in Moab

[@Carlosmanmanman]

This is like an Alien vs predator moment for me as I watch both TFL Offroad and Ben Hardy. For some reason this made the video even better.

[@Dorisan_81]

Love how the GX is chillin in the background at @16:04

[@jagers4xford471]

I would much rather own a green Bronco than a pink Jeep. Oh BTW, Barbie called, she wants her Jeep back.

[@FlatoutFord300]

Honestly the bronco and the 392 are rlly good vehicles. If I was looking for decent off-road ability and a fun daily with a lot of power I’d go with the 392. But if I knew I was going to rip it around a dessert and drive it aggressively I’ll go with the braptor

[@Colonel1Bravo]

Wow, great to see Ben in the video… and as a Ford guy, my vote is for…the Jeep all day every day. Now when are you guys going to take these for an off road test? That’s a long driveway btw

[@beepeesoup]

Drive them both 100 over Baja roads and see who survives.

[@trentkenworthy1091]

Great collaboration! You and Ben compliment each other very well. Great Vid.

[@jacobyshade8570]

Love seeing @benhardy on the channel! Great video. Have to go with the 392 though because of the 6.4 hemi sound.

[@Tethmes]

I miss the days of cliffhanger 2.0. I didnt think it was possible to make a boring video with both of these vehicles in it, but here we are.

[@matthewschiebout7384]

what a test! Truly a challenge, not even for my Subaru Outback:( thanks TFL and Ben Hardley!

[@TheNewenglandboys]

Now let's see an actual off road challenge between these two vehicles! Let's GO!!

[@ILOVEBACONBOY2018]

My mazda 3 could make it on that stuff, need a rougher trail! Love the videos tho guys, dont get it wrong, you guys rock!

[@NB-yn7dv]

I am just so happy that both of these exist. I am happy that Ford is making vehicles that are this capable for high speed stuff and I am happy that Jeep has kept the wrangler solid front axle (if not consumers wouldn't have the choice of having a live axle if that is their preference).

[@calebnation6155]

I’m so glad I went with a frontier pro 4x vs a gladiator for the IFS. Both are very attractive off pavement focused trucks, and yes I’ll readily admit that the gladiator would be better off-road, however, most of my driving is commuting on 2 lane curvy highways to work where the IFS is way nicer. Not to mention my version of off road is exploring forestry service roads & similar trails. 4 high is usually all I need, though the ability in the frontier to go 4 low with a locking rear diff means anything in the trails I go to is zero problems even with non aggressive all terrains.

[@rosswallace2969]

Jeep if your watching, we want v8 gladiator or tti6 gladiator, NEED 400 hp!

[@JonBecker81]

Good to see TFL giving a fellow KZbinr a hand up. I just checked out Ben’s KZbin, it looks like he could use a little boost.

[@Isha048]

This is not a real challenge. Let's wait for a true challenge. I'm not satisfied about this video, but I would take it as first impressions. Thank you.

[@Smyth1122]

My two favorite Jeepers! Tommy and Ben! Great video guys!

[@TJY2K]

Locker engagement is the same for both. Jeep just happens to flash the locker light until it's fully engaged while the bronco either turns the light on or off, not exactly showing if it's in the process of engaging. They both have Dana axles.

[@namurarslan5737]

Just talking and no real off road driving, pointless video, we all know statistics and personal view off point its not interesting for us viewers ???

[@cargopilotguy305]

These trucks cost so much that even review channels don’t want to challenge them off-road lol

[@danbrauner9247]

Awesome!! Would love to see more of Ben on the channel. Been watching him for a while. Nice colab!!!

[@markpina2555]

Was that an off-roading video?

[@ImTaintedSaint]

Unless you're talking about a different drag race at 6:05 My Jeep, (TROGDOR) you ran down the air strip was stock but it had the XR pkg so it's on 35s.

[@outdoorfugitive2613]

Good channel, wrong title for the video

[@AnabolicRick915]

Why. Why pick this trail? Seriously!? Two of the most capable from factory vehicles on the planet and we take them on a dirt road... Jesus lmao. I have three vehicles and off road every single one of them. A 2012 Ford Focus with a 5-Speed Manual, 2016 Ford Fusion, and a 2023 Bronco Sport Badlands. All three of my cars would have made it up that. Before I got my Bronco I would take the Focus on dirt and went to places I can guarantee a stock Focus has never seen. Yet here we are, basically mall crawling lmao...

[@paulmadkow9143]

Why didn't you just take these off roaders to the mall if you weren't going to be on a real off road trail.

[@FloridaDeere]

Cool video, from the two top dogs. Being a V-8, I can say even as a Bronco fan, it's hard to compete, the 392 sounds sweet. I imagine that as elevation grows, the Raptor would start to close the performance gap.

[@scottythebody0811]

A 7.3 Bronco would be great.

[@findingxeno3285]

@@scottythebody0811 lol never going to happy. We’d be lucky if they shoe horn the 5.0 in it ever

[@scottythebody0811]

@@findingxeno3285 I agree. That Coyote is a huge engine dimensionally. The 6.2 or 7.3 power curve would be better suited.

[@cyclesingsleep]

Ya'll are wonderful...but the majority of the trail could happily be handled by my old, Volvo wagon...and it has that sweet, 5-cylinder sound! : P

[@seanridder5612]

I do love tfl information but i would have liked to see the two shine on a much rougher trail

[@CA11100]

The owners of the vehicles probably don’t want to risk damaging anything

[@pokerplayawill]

Y’all should definitely talk Ben into running that 392 through the tumbleweed off-road course.

[@jmpersic]

Colorado is flippin beautiful!

[@SWPvegas]

Ultimate extreme offroaders??? You gotta ad the Ford Raptor and TRX, whch BOTH will smoke the 2 trucks in your video.

[@richrigney4610]

For listeners ears, please try not to include the voices coming through the walkie radios but rather the actual person speaking instead. The radios give a very harsh and ear piercing sound when coming through the recording.

[@redbarradio]

woah, new cameras??? What did you guys get? Looks so much better! Please share camera and lens!!!

[@ztwntyn8]

My friend ran his 392 jeep against a 392 challenger on the highway. He took the hit but he said he pulled some but it took 2 or 3 gears to catch back up with him. Sounded impressive to me because I’ve seen the 392 challenger run and they are beastly.

[@lunamaria1048]

No 392 Jeep is going to catch up to a Challenger 392, unless the Challenger is waiting lol. The engine is retuned for the Jeep lol.

[@VideosOffRoad]

You guys have the two most off-road capable production vehicles available today, doing a comparison of them, and all you do is drive them on a dirt road?!?!? No challenging obstacle comparisons? No actual articulation comparisons? No actual approach and departure angle comparisons? WTF guys?

[@RustyTreeMan]

I didn't know crawling ability is dictated by suspension, I would have thought gear ratios? In my experience independent front suspension is better than solid axles crawling as it's softer, less choppy or jarring and doesn't bounce as much so steering is easier.

[@Turdle4R]

Correct me if Im wrong here, is he saying the 2.0t gets the same mpg as the 392...?

[@mechmat12345]

Yeah that's BS, people have done mpg tests in the 392 xtreme recon and it gets about 16mpg highway. Unless he's saying the mpg in the 2.0 also sucks, he's wrong.

[@Malc664]

I'm always blown away at the beauty of Colorado. It really is the Garden of Eden. Probably not a bad idea to take some oxygen with you.

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

Guys! I love the Cow Boy Movie music you used in this video. If I ever get to Colorado to enjoy that to a four-wheel drive territory out there, I believe I should like to play that cowboy music when we get above the treeline, or when hit the summit....

[@Luke48980]

My stock 1996 Toyota Camry could go on this “off road trail” I was expecting a lot more from you TFL

[@KeepOnTesting]

Hey guys, an '84 Lada could do that trail come on now...

[@jamesb8467]

I like the fact that there’s a plain Jane Lexus GX in the background

[@drewelliott9062]

Nice to see Ben on TFL

[@TJY2K]

That's my dream 392. Only thing I would add is half doors

[@ToddTaylorTexas]

My two sub's come together for a chill video on the trail. I think Ben Hardy would be a great addition to the TFL Team.

[@chrislangstaff]

Did TFL upgrade the camera fleet? Looks crisp and sharp.

[@flipmarc69]

Woohoo! Ben Hardy and TFL!

[@DarkStarX]

I know this is a little selfish, but all the judging of Jeep vs Bronco aside. I love that the Jeep color, (which I don’t care for. Ok a little judging.) is named Tuscadero. As in ‘Pinky Tuscadero’ from ‘Happy Days’, (under 40? It was a TV show.), my Uncle Gary’s show.

[@gbornhardtful]

Lots of wheeling and not alot of talk . Great job . Keep up the good work.

[@rickydefuzz8637]

Tommy asking: what do you like better, the Wrangler 392 or the bronco raptor? Me answering: yes!

[@Stuka87]

A good overview comparison of the two, but was hoping you guys would be running a real trail, because nobody has actually done a real comparison of the two on a trail.

[@omarkhatab1020]

I love you guys collaborated with Ben ❤️❤️❤️

[@guarnibl]

As an owner of both the 2.0 XR and 392 XR, the 392 XR does *********NOT********** get better gas mileage. It's not even close!!!! Just tossing this out there so people aren't misled. Avg mpg on 392 XR (mix of highway/city): 9.5 mpg Avg mpg on 2.0 XR (mix of highway/city): 17.5 mpg I will say I tend to be more in the pedal on the 392 -- but even so, city to city, highway to highway -- grandma driving, it's still not close. Love my 392, though, and next will be getting full suspension, 37's, skids etc. Did great stock in Moab with just a spacer lift and some temporary tires. The 4.56's really help. But if I'm going camping or something like that, i'll take the 2.0 for the range.

[@btl4220]

nice to see Ben & TFL video together 👍

[@kenset813]

Where is the off roading??? Super disappointed with all the cross talking and no obstacle comparing. Come on TFL!

[@Dr._Swash_Buckler]

Awesome partnership!

[@CommieHunter7]

Would be cool if, in this off-road head to head, you went anywhere a stock Honda Pilot couldn't.

[@CommieHunter7]

You were at Webster Pass! You could've gone up Red Cone, got to the same place, and showed the vehicles doing something challenging.

[@lachlanmiller28]

Doesn't Jeep offer Fox shocks standard? I just bought a Bronco, but I guess the shocks for Jeep might not have been Fox for that model year? I did drive a Gladiator which I loved, but I still am very happy about the Bronco, which is good because I won't get it for many months.

[@S8ER]

TFLs location is interesting because naturally aspirated vehicles perform completely different where you are than were the rest of us live. :/ I can’t say the jeep would be appealing at high elevation without some hair dryers bolted on.

[@DanielHerasG]

Nice podcast!!

[@kennethwomack8678]

The Jeep had a rattle in the rear. Was it the camera? The width of the Bronco Raptor would be a deal breaker for me. The prices of both knock me out. Good video!!

[@scotteramsey]

sounded like an exhaust rattle to me.

[@MZ-bl6wg]

Was hoping we’d see some sort of 4x4 comparison, driving up a flat graded dirt road tested nothingn at all, I’ll have to look around for an actual off-road comparison I guess.