The REAL Lesson From Beauty & the Beast

[@zaynes5094]

Love Jordan's take on this. It is a great example of many classic Gothic romances and Gothic horror novels of the 19th century where one guy is the "tall dark and handsome" and the other is the shrinking violet who needs saving but who by the end of it, either succumbs to that overly aggressive male, or breaks away from that narcissistic personality and falls for the "tall gentle and kind". The Beast really is a prince who was punished by a hag because of his own overly sensitive egotistic nature. Not too dissimilar to Gaston. Yet the Beast becomes someone loathing of all things female and human, and yet he knows that is his own way out of the hell he's found himself in.

[@andynixon2820]

It's very brave of them to continue their conversation while the studio's on fire .

[@lewismwaihinga7681]

😂😂

[@zb7293]

😂

[@dc1anderson]

Getting cigar smoke blown in your face while you're not smoking seems like it could be irritating.

[@coolerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

@@dc1andersonpeterson used to smoke so he cool w it

[@zaynes5094]

@@coolerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Didn't know that. Makes me feel better that I don't smoke. What he says about Gaston is always what I thought of it without putting it into the words that Jordan just did there. It's like they say, "tale as old as time." The Gothic horror story is probably what started it in a more modern novel storytelling. The women love the "tall dark and handsome" but then realize that "tall dark and handsome" is not the greatest for their mental health.

[@robertmitchel2194]

Peterson is so articulate he makes everyone around him up their word game and improves the men around him by osmosis. Respect.

[@unclematt3134]

I love how Jordan's dressed up like Two-Face from the Batman comics.

[@SlightLeeBased]

I didn't even see this until I saw your comment and went back to the video lmao

[@joshuagibson2520]

Some famous suit maker made him 7 suits. This one is fire and nice he said. You can look it up I'm sure.

[@kennybachman35]

Fitting for a narcissistic borderline schizophrenic.

[@joshuagibson2520]

@@kennybachman35 ahhhah. They auto removed your comment. I read it in notifications though. About being a schiz narsicest.

[@kennybachman35]

@@joshuagibson2520 nope, it’s still there. You gotta click on the replies.

[@ALEX-eh6qk]

Damn, that right there was straight bars. The way he explained all of those concepts and proceeded to sew them together was great.

[@pIacebo]

juss popped 2 bars wish me luck

[@anas-432]

Yh that shit ended fantastically it all made sense by the end

[@kennybachman35]

Impossible to follow, he’s all over the place and never comes to a point. Nonsensical word salad every time he spews his pseudoscientific bullshit.

[@zokesthetriptozanzibardrunk]

@@pIacebo taking a trip to Zanzibar?

[@SippenSomeTea]

Mimicking confidence, that's a good thought, passing that on

[@josephgriffin2388]

I think the other message taken from that movie, is the absence of mothers in many Disney movies. I think Frued would have much to say about that.

[@wilder11]

I've met many of the kinds of people JBP's talking about. I've met the narcissistic psychopaths who can snare naive women with their faux competence. I've also met those women who've never had a good relationship with a man, and so every forthright and even somewhat assertive act by a man puts off alarm bells in their head. It's so frustrating, and very sad.

[@adamwaller1528]

There is a full lecture by Peterson on the "Beauty and the Beast" topic, highly recommend!

[@kennybachman35]

Look up “Jordan Peterson grandmother dream” in the search bar. It’s by far his best contribution to humanity.

[@tylerjames7015]

That suit just helps the entire conversation in some way I can’t put my finger on

[@yoboychris9424]

Bro I love this guy thank you Joe I know for a fact I would never hear about him by myself. He’s so opened minded and a good person you can tell

[@RochelleRosenbledt]

This is so accurate ❤

[@nighttime.canoe.installer]

So many psychopaths, predators hide in church. Easily accepted regardless of past etc... crazy when you think about it.

[@dakotaslim]

Psychopath judo, they use or own systems against us.

[@AnathemaMysticalcel]

Church is a community. He says in the video that when the community gets large enough it becomes a place where psychopaths can hide. They can look like productive members but in reality are not. These people tend to be the pastors. God even points this out in several scriptures. No longer shall the shepherds feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths, that they may not be food for them. They are supposed to feed the flock. Not themselves. Now, not saying that people are specifically becoming pastors because they are psychopaths but being raised that you are God's chosen, anointed, then elected or appointed over others, and whether you asked for it or not, but simply being in the position will have ignorant people just hang on your every word I think the position creates them.

[@sweetlou2597]

Not only in churches.., there are other many worship places and religions

[@Bingor809]

Like mosques

[@coreydeluna5258]

most in politics

[@Coooooops]

The man is the definition of talking specifically, I don't know anyone who can voice opinions so accurately, makes normal people look like they're just running off implications

[@kennybachman35]

Are we doing opposites again? Is this opposite day?🤣

[@Istruekin]

I've learned alot from this build

[@aaronccheatham]

A narcissist exploits the taming fantasy, yet its simply grooming

[@youtubedrifter5594]

Stop talking about grooming like it’s always a negative thing😂

[@aaronccheatham]

@@youtubedrifter5594 somebody likes the abuse 😅😅

[@youtubedrifter5594]

@@aaronccheatham 😂😂 right!! Dude thank god someone in here has a good sense of humor!!! Thank you

[@zaynes5094]

@@youtubedrifter5594If it's grooming for a sexual reason (which is majority of the time why) then that's always bad.

[@Toto-95]

Can confirm psychopaths make themselves look like upstanding citizens sometimes for decades. "Pretty quickly" depends, the one i knew stole 500$ a week for 10 years before beeing found out (with no consequences whatsoever)

[@kennybachman35]

Psychopaths wear uniforms and badges, and share the same psychological profile as serial killers.

[@LiterallyCensoredDaily]

@@kennybachman35 statistically, you are probably correct. I heard once that cops, judges, doctors, politicians, teachers, and other "pillars of society" actually contain among them more psychopaths and sociopaths than most other walks of life. It's because they are drawn to the power and praise.

[@Fnelrbnef]

So good to see him back to his full ability!

[@kennybachman35]

Minus his license to practice and teaching accreditation*. 🤣

[@dustylefou]

Do you have a source? News says he's challenging threats to his accreditation for unpopular views, not that his accreditation was taken away.

[@kennybachman35]

@@dustylefou his accreditation was revoked by the Canadian government an his license to practice was revoked by the CPO. (past tense)

[@Yasmine91646]

This explains my attraction to "monster men". These “monster men", like Michael Myers, Nemesis from Resident Evil, Dracula, The Joker, The Phatom of The Opera, represent an ultra masculine archetype that triggers a primal desire deep inside of me which is incredibly intoxicating. Soft men are a major turn off. I don't like a man who is a lapdog and has no confidence and assertion.

[@HM-pn8iu]

thank you

[@caleuxx9108]

the male hero archetypes: vampire, warewolf, pirate, billionare, surgeon..... ;;; psycho***people - 4% of population....... non-psychopathic males who are fairly aggressive keep the psychopaths under control.....;; competent confident men VS narcissistic false mimics competence -- young women more often fall for narcissistic mimics....

[@cvetanvelinov4404]

And that's where we are

[@brusselsprout5851]

The non psychopathic males aren’t holding up their end of “the deal,” because the psychopathic males are running “the show.”

[@rustsolo1272]

that is because all forms of male aggression is bad so only bad man are aggresief. we need to learn boys to fight and be strong. but we learn them to be timed and to be asshamed of what they are

[@samitanveer50]

bro do you have a translation channel???

[@RestoreTheBody]

😂

[@milana2020]

I lowkey don’t understand a thing that was said 😂

[@BigRokko5196]

You can heard that Canadian slip thru can't ya eh

[@Supreme-gu1jz]

Jordan Peterson. Wow. One of the greatest intellects of our time. Thank you, sir.

[@flapjackson6077]

The wisdom!

[@kidnamedgrass]

Joe : My daughter's lucky they have me

[@tommypiffington3374]

Brilliant

[@avivastudios2311]

2:00 I love how certain he was about that. 😂

[@willard39]

Geez, I can't tell which of the five I am. I know I'm not the billionaire or the surgeon. I hope I'm the pirate and not either the vampire or the werewolf.

[@joebush1663]

Maybe you are a JAL airrine pirate.

[@JeffCaplan313]

If you're still hoping for some lucky streak, you're definitely a pirate.

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

I'm sasquatch so I didn't even make it on the list 😢😅

[@TylerEubank]

So how do you go from being the psychopath or narcissist to the beast?

[@JeffCaplan313]

Get a dog for a pet. Move to Montana.

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

I believe people just don't get rid of those traits 🤔

[@TylerEubank]

@@JeffCaplan313 lmaoooo 🤣

[@TylerEubank]

@@Rctdcttecededtef there has to be a way. Most goals are possible if you put your mind to it

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

@@TylerEubank but this isn't really a case of mind over matter. Maybe for narcissism but I doubt a psycho can just get better

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

I had the impression that this was gonna be a key to get chicks but it quickly turned into masterclass of how the sexes become afraid and resentful of each other leading to societal collapse.

[@glasswolves3332]

Best.

[@kevinostberg1729]

I'm diggin' the Two-Face suit Jordan. I'd be interested in discovering what your intent is in wearing it... (0;]

[@thomasgreen4009]

The man from “ Fairview “ in the Peace country

[@OtiBetri]

He is saying it like every psychopath is bad. But this is not true at all.

[@oliethemagicbum]

kermit is so deep

[@saltanataskerova8757]

İ TAKE THİS VİDEO

[@badstar9670]

Great points, unfortunately

[@crazyrr144]

is that the tobacco

[@erasamus1057]

I say nitch and have to deal with people who insist I should say neesh, but now I hear this man says nish 🤔

[@sorkeror]

Gaston is the good guy, Belle is a narcissist, and the beast is a incel furry.

[@Ethkaeve21]

Gaston is a narcissist, he wants belle because “shes the most beautiful girl and I deserve the best.” That’s literally the monologue of a narcissist.

[@timothymorvant4055]

I’m first was up joe 0:58

[@moruera6125]

💯

[@naviifra2374]

So moral of the story men should treat women well?

[@gantz0949]

Thoughts immediately go to Charles Manson who fit this profile perfectly

[@ceevee7825]

So the beast is not a simp?

[@qlfnj1845]

man the stuff that comes out peterson’s mouth

[@jackriversbaby]

I don't want to alarm anyboy, but I think something is on fire

[@antoinettelopes]

I still like Gaston. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@benjaminfrankliniii9857]

I want to see JP as the president

[@kennybachman35]

Of Canada?

[@dark_antihero]

I cant tell if this is one of those AI conversations

[@thebubster0312]

This sounds like the experience of the Dutch settlers in South Africa in the 16 hundreds. The Dutch did deals with the immediate population and traded peacefully untill the Zulus arrived and effed everyone up. I do believe that the elite government of Africa is run by Zulu.

[@luckyyou774]

Lets go Jordan

[@redmed10]

Vampire werewolf pirate surgeon billionaires womens fantasy Mens fantasy - nympomaniac attracted to pizza delivery guys.

[@shellyzepeda]

❤

[@sarahpersonalexcellenceguide]

Beauty and the Beast is about taming your own ego. Dr. Peterson doesn’t understand fairy tales.

[@Jab-vl3bw]

All I see here is Jordan getting a face full opf smoke!! Rude!

[@brusselsprout5851]

Oh and Jordan is incorrect about the old ladies. They fall for the psycho, will protect one til the end, and will do his bidding. This isn’t only the foolish derelict broads but many in the mid to high echelons as well. The more $ the old women have the more inclined they are to be misogynistic and willing to blend other unsuspecting women for the psychopaths infidelities. This is what I was shown while living among wealthier old money women. You’re welcome.

[@paulkramer3968]

What's Joe smokin'?

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

DMT ofc

[@Redbird1504]

.....and now I know why my girlfriend likes me.

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

She could like you for your personality too tho

[@nataliaperez9954]

I mean kinda, but as a woman I would say I'd like more of a blue collar worker really getting down and dirty on cleaning those pipes....lol just saying...

[@grantmccoy6739]

This is one of the worst takes I've every heard in my entire life. All the women in town love Gaston. Belle finds him unappealing. She sees through what is considered ideal masculinity. It has nothing to do with reciprocity in economics. Jordan could not be more wrong about the meaning of the story. The story challenges the status quo of what it means to be a man and a woman. Belle is an intellectual, the beast is actually a gentleman. There's a reason why all of the servants became objectified and lost their humanity, just like the beast. It shows how love is what makes human beings human. Without love, men are beasts, and people are little more than tools or objects. BTW, who does the beast transform into when he breaks his curse? It's a huge clue as to how different this story really is. Underneath the facade of the beast, is a real gentleman, something Gaston "could never be". Gaston represents toxic male masculinity. The beast represents man without love.

[@enriquecano61]

Lol it’s also just a movie .. I think he was just using that to help his point lol again just a movie

[@johndalton4559]

I think your are right in your theme aswell, both themes are running in coherence it doesnt necessarily mutually exclude the other theme

[@yephobochi4384]

everything you said supports what Jordan was saying. Goddamn man, think before you post lmao

[@NG2K15]

@@yephobochi4384 ikr??!! Did this guy even listen to what JP was saying? I swear the listening skills of some people is dogshit. JP literally says a lot of young girls especially like psychopaths because they mimic confidence->competence. And yet this dumbass explains the same but thinks he is contradicting JP. Poor listening, reading skills just piss me off.

[@antoinettelopes]

Belle was hooking for books.

[@darbyheavey406]

Explains the transgender phenomenon and the toxic workplace at the same time. Too many girls grew up without fathers.

[@imabeardsley9280]

😮

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

Leave it to Joe Rogan to want an Anti-Trans persons take on fucking B&B 😂

[@sandyhook1]

Yes I'm quite tired of this cat and mouse

[@Istruekin]

Catastrophic arranged neighborhoods

[@anwyn9846]

I have no idea what he means. 😂

[@Istruekin]

@@anwyn9846 would you like too???

[@unknowninfinium4353]

Did he get his licence back?

[@willard39]

He never lost it.

[@Icyhotboo]

Jordan Peterson meet Donald Trump.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

Gaston was not a psycho he was a good man though yeah narcissistic but with the best intentions at heart thinking he was doing something good for his village. He was still wrong in the end but not a villain.

[@noone-kk2zs]

He was a villain through and through. He blackmailed Belle into marrying him, kept forcing himself upon her and manipulated the village to help him get rid of his competition. He couldn't bear the fact that there could ever be someone other than him being loved by Belle.

[@MsAngelique]

Tell me you didn't watch the movie without telling me you didn't watch the movie.

[@SlightLeeBased]

Rogan is just hotboxing the crap out of JP lmao

[@adrianortiz2388]

I'm 2nd 😁🎊

[@Manpower-s]

This man should literally be running countries

[@kennybachman35]

🤣😂🤣 He can’t even drink apple cider without his whole system shutting down!!! Lol

[@alterego157]

He can't even run his own life. He's so f-ed up he's barley holding it together.

[@kennybachman35]

“Most psychopaths get found out pretty quickly”…but not by your fans, huh JP?😏

[@judylee1860]

Years ago my young son saw Beauty & the Beast. He really liked it and did a recap for me. I replied that sounds screwy. Listening to this it sounds even screwier, makes me glad I’m not a deep intellectual thinker. I hope I haven’t emasculated anyone. 😂

[@boli2016]

lol what's 'screwy' about it -- do you have fantasies that you've pushed away lol

[@obi-wankenobi8462]

He’s NOT focusing on the part of the man’s character women want, that is WEAK and controllable. They want them to be both prone to violence and weak and manipulatable. That is an emotionally unstable individual!

[@kilsgb]

They want a man capable of violence (for protection) and capable of being able to control said violence (otherwise, he'll hurt her and/or their offspring). That isn't weak and controllable. That is a competent man.

[@judylee1860]

And this guy gets paid for his thinking? Really? 😂 by whom? People without a real life? 😂

[@conformityfarm]

This dude puts too much meaning on these cartoons imo

[@chatochavez4782]

You must not know any women he’s dead right

[@samuelf5985]

If you understand the mimetic function of our psychology, and what myth means to a psychoanalytic thinker like him, then these cartoons are retelling patterns of behavior that have repeated across enough time to be as meaningful as he is expressing, or more... It's probably more. But this interpretation is pretty great. And he also brings in a kind of factor analysis to back up his claims....

[@conformityfarm]

@@samuelf5985 sure but at the end of the day these are stories for theatrical release, the writers are trying to entertain. I’m sure you can get wordy about intellectualizing this fundamental fact but they are sketches that ultimately get animated.

[@samuelf5985]

@@conformityfarm Well I think thats where the mimetic function comes in - it is something that our psychology is more than just entertained by, but something we enjoy as we are (consciously or unconsciously) placing ourselves within the story etc. to embody wisdom that we already contain in some sense.. but yeah, I believe I get your point. However, its hard to say what the end of the day thing is... including Peterson's take.

[@tobe1207]

When these stories were written. It wasn't a time where Disney is making hits constantly . They're old ass books

[@maximus-go1um]

May be the psychopath destability is good function. Society is not flawless

[@samuelf5985]

Yea but why would a psychopath's behavior, that has as a consequence this destabilizing effect, be better than just none of the evil along with competent good people focusing on fixing and working through the flaws?

[@maximus-go1um]

@@samuelf5985 Listen. Fuck psychopaths I dont care if they get eaten alive All I say is that society is cursed as well. Society is weak and has allowed oppressions and double standards and unjustice for thousands of years. Dot idiolize society. That what I meant And you make a huge assumption that you think society focus on their flaws and fix it

[@samuelf5985]

Since you said the F'word your comment isn't showing up for me here, but on my email.... so hopefully im responding to you in full: If thats what you meant then you should have wrote something that indicated that more. I assumed nothing, I responded to what you wrote. I did not say you like or respect psychopaths, nor that I idealize society, but I certainly don't beleive your criticisms of society are the dominant view we should be taking when looking at the western world today. Also whose to say that it isn't the psychopaths, narcissists etc sharing a large part in causing all of those ills of society in some sense.

[@maximus-go1um]

@@samuelf5985 if there is no small tyranny inside the people then they would nt be easy to be lied to. Anyway wr mostly agree. I hope the gaurdian angles protect you

[@johni1622]

It's important to remember that they are talking about western models for relationships. Indigenous dynamics don't have those issues, which is why western males try to stamp it out and commit genocide historically against me indigenous peoples.

[@judgejhf7848]

JP just named all my favorite genres in romance/smut 🫠😂😂😂 I mean it really is biological isn’t it lol