The REAL REASON Jedi Starfighters didn't have Hyperdrives -- Theory

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[@maximillianx1395]

This is honestly a very good theory, if Palpatine wanted to "trap" a jedi on a planet full of clones during Order 66 the first thing would be took away the Hyperdrive from their starfighters.

[@bradhedgehog12]

That’s so mean. This is why I’m using a fighter that has one. Jedi or not

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@bradhedgehog12 hindsight makes everything easy.

[@Gigasius]

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Order 66 included a move to destroy the hyperdrive rings in the orbit. Thus stranding the Jedi on a planet full of clones.

[@maximillianx1395]

@@Gigasius I think that's actually a part of the plan for Order 66.

[@Liquidglitch]

Hmm, wouldn't interstellar communications be the first priority? Hide & seek is easy enough- Obi Wan did it for decades on Tatooine... Yoda on Dagobah, Jacosta Nu, Ahsoka Tano... to name a few.

[@talonkarrde2733]

We can even see the Slave 1 perusing a Jedi Starfighter and destroying its Hypeddrive - Ring in the second season of the Clone Wars. This scene shows perfectly how vulnerable Jedi Starfighters really are when they have to retreat very quick without an own hyperdrive.

[@CantingWall3286]

R2D2 only got away because there happened to be 2 hyperdrive rings

[@mrsundaymovies]

Solid theory, even the best Jedi pilots would have their clock run down during Order 66 without a hyperdrive

[@evisceon4860]

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[@bigmistakesnoreward4157]

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[@bobpope3656]

this is assumes that Jedi's are stupid as fuck lol

[@unownintendo]

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[@Robotic_Rampage]

Palpatine: "Execute Order 66." Hyperdrive Ring: "It will be done, my lord."

[@kommandantgalileo]

*Jumps into a star

[@Hobbit_libertaire]

@@kommandantgalileo You're joking, but this would have been even better than the clone treason : you can escape from clones, but you can't avoid crashing into a star once you are in hyperspace. The Jedi astromechs could have executed order 66 better than the clones. Then there is the problem of getting every single Jedi in their fighters at the same time, but Sidious would have found something, he was a plot genius (maybe let the Republic believe that the CIS have raised a secret black Jedi army (easier to believe for the Jedi as they know that the Dark Lord tried to kidnap children during the clone wars (season 2 ou 3 I believe)) and so the Jedi would have had to attack all together, coming by starfighters because a Venator would have been detected too easily by the dark Jedi army... maybe I go too far, but I kinda like this alternative story of order 66)

[@ominous_stranger]

@@Hobbit_libertaire But then the clones wouldn't like that, they would attack the senate.

[@Hobbit_libertaire]

@@ominous_stranger Of course they will need to have an inhibitor chip too, I just think that including the Jedi's astromechs into the plot would be a great idea, this would have got the Empire rid of some more Jedi (just none of the most well-known)

[@edwinvillalobos7159]

I mean palpatines plan was good enough it got rid of like 98 percent of Jedi and it backfired on him in actuality because it set luke on the path to create the new Jedi order and bring it back into what it actually really was a balance between the dark and light and lukes jedis had a lot that used both so it was overall better because that produced stronger Jedi and in eu it ended up with the sith being wiped out

[@treybray5014]

This does sound like something Palpatine would do. He did after all have the entire team behind Darth Maul's Sith Infiltrator murdered

[@LedosKell]

The Infiltrator is still one of the most handsome ships in the franchise. Up there with Slave I, the Outrider, the TIE Interceptor, and those Black Sun fighters Xizor had at his Skyhook.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

As far as I know, Raith Sienar worked on that ship, and he wasn’t killed, so there were some exceptions.

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Or when the builders of the Rogue Shadow were "killed in an industrial accident".

[@DanteYewToob]

Personally, my assumption was that Jedi craft were like a stripped down racecar, or high performance police pursuit vehicle. Something without all of the aids and technology other ships have to assist the non-force sensitive. My assumption was that their ships were made nimble and fast enough to make proper use of a Jedis reflexes and perception abilities because any other ship would slow them down... kinda like how professional drivers buy a new car and immediately start removing fuses and turning off things like traction control and ABS.. I just assumed that the hyperspace ring was a cool way of giving hyperspace capabilities to these tiny agile ships. I still think it's a cool and unique idea. I could see it being implemented in some interesting ways, like the ring being autonomous and being able to break off and act as a secondary attack drone, or come to your rescue and attach and quickly jump you out of danger.. or even potentially jump away on it's own as an emergency beacon if your main ship is damaged. Stuff like that... there's a lot of cool stuff you could do with that idea, in my opinion.

[@SephirothRyu]

I would buy that argument for the shields. They take power continuously while up as well as some space, meaning that there is less power from your fighter's reactor for engines and weapons. However, for a hyperdrive it seems quite possible to shrink them down immensely (see: the fact you can put retrofit them into even basic Ties and N-1s without having to seemingly remove anything important), and you don't need to divert power to them except when you actually want to use it. So yeah, lack of shields is probably to maximize the nimbleness. But the lack of hyperdrive may well be good old palpa.

[@drewjohnson-85]

I think we can make a good argument that fits both the Palpatine and the stripped down high speed theory, note I'm working from true Star Wars as until Disney fixes it's problems the great ideas are lost in the sea of confusion over direction and the bad ideas, so we know that the Sith were working on the political dicay of the Republic, mostly by promoting moral dicay in the Core and isolating the core from the mid and outer rim, we also know that they where isolating the Jedi from the rest of the galaxy, we also know that the Jedi had a gunboat that was much more along the lines of the old Defender-class on steroids from Old Republic during the Stark Hyperspace Wars about 10 to 20 years before Naboo, and that it was decommissioned because it was to much like a war ship for keepers of the peace, so what if Plagus and Sidius manipulated events so that the Jedi were nerfed and the Jedi working within the limits of the constraints placed on them came up with the idea to strip the fighter to basics inorder maximize they're remaining potential

[@robertdrexel2043]

Wasn't that a thing in one of the background books, either the Attack of the Clones Cross Section/Revenge of the Sith Cross Section or the New Esstential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels? I seem to remember something like that in one of those books about the Delta-7 or the Eta-2 being stripped down to the bar essentials because the Jedi pilots needed the ship to be as nimble it can be or something to that effect.

[@drewjohnson-85]

@@robertdrexel2043 yes the official story was the Jedi were going for maximum maneuverability as a force sensitive properly trained can handle a craft like a Droid, able to take more G forces, faster reflexes, and with force senses and intuition they have far greater awareness and innovation to call on, and if all Jedi where Jedi Aces, the Order's air & space combat specialists that would make since, but the order has other specialist, who have other needs, so why don't they have more small craft in their fleet? And we know the Chosen One at least was able to fit a limited Hyperdrive in a Delta 7 with no significant loss of maneuverability, and Luke was able to use force hibernation to allow him to use his use his ship to it's maximum potential, so why no hyperdrive?

[@djolds1]

And that is PRECISELY how a Sith Lord would sell hyperdrive rings to an order of religious zealots too arrogant for their own good. They wouldn't suspect the inherent weakness built into the beautiful blades they'd been offered.

[@MLPGamer44]

George Lucas: “The Hyper space rings just looked cool...”

[@PotatoHopback]

It’s like poetry.

[@nathanielgransell506]

@@PotatoHopback It rhymes.

[@Earthstar_Review]

Maybe he saw that one Star Trek movie with a weird long-range shuttle in it.

[@cleanixx5343]

@@nathanielgransell506 It just works

[@GardeniaCreations]

George Lucas: "And the rule of cool, is cool. It's like poetry, it rhymes."

[@nanoplasm]

The real reason is that you can sell the parents two toys instead of just one.

[@doglover334]

That was kuat’s reason, not the republic’s

[@defensivekobra3873]

I highly doubt any toy company would sell these sepperately

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

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[@battlefieldcustoms873]

actually this from an in universe point of view makes sense right? Who made the Jedi Star fighter. were the republic being Cheep asses or maybe they designed it knowing the republic would be forced to buy like 50000 extra ones cuz they blow up so much

[@bentuovila5296]

Oof, it hurts because it is true.

[@kyleobryant6150]

I think it’s just a happy coincidence. Jedi could fly whatever they wanted, they were at the top of the military food chain. Extremely light, fast, nimble craft would not have the space for long range hyper drives. These kinds of ships are very advantageous for Jedi to use with the added benefit of the force. The drive ring is huge in comparison to the ship, so presumably its range and speed is high as well. The drawbacks are a very good point.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

Trying to find hyperspace ring in space would be like looking for a needle in a haystack (and haystack is just huge)

[@lordmorbin6593]

I think they would have some sort of a tracker for such a crucial thing lol

[@theofficialbarackh.obamayo5806]

If the haystack was like 10.000 km^2 yeah

[@lazyc0mmander277]

@@lordmorbin6593 Probably not if you're the one trying to stop the ship from making the jump.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@lazyc0mmander277 the tracking signal could be encrypted.

[@lazyc0mmander277]

@@Slender_Man_186 That's kinda my point. If they have some way to track a ring then there's no way the Jedi would let the CIS use it.

[@ranger3576]

I don’t know if the hyperspace rings were developed and implemented before Palpatine became chancellor, but if they were, then the theory goes beyond palpatine. We know the Sith were secretly manipulating the republic for centuries, poisoning it from within, so maybe the plan to hinder a Jedi’s response and escape time was made by an earlier Sith Lord.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Likely banker Hego Damasc, better known as Darth Plaguis, would have been pulling strings within the Republic to weaken the Jedi before he took Palpatine as his apprentice. Edit: as it turns out Darth Tenebrous, Plaguis’ Master, was a shipwright, so it goes back even further.

[@Enigma75614]

@@Slender_Man_186 That means that we technically don’t know how far back this conspiracy goes. They need to explore this in a movie or a show.

[@tjpprojects7192]

@@Enigma75614 We know that it started somewhere between Bane and Tenebrous. It doesn't help narrow it down at all, but every little bit helps, right?

[@doctorsidious]

Question: If the hyperdrive was reverse engineered from Rakatan tech that used the force in the pre-republic era, why didn't the Jedi and other force sensitives develop "force" hyperdrives like the Rakatans?

[@nickolaswilcox425]

the rakatan stuff was all tainted with the dark side so the reverse engineering would have had to knock out enough to get rid of that and make it more generally usable by which point there would be no reason to go back to the original design which was already known to be corruptible or at least that my fast theory

[@Slender_Man_186]

The same reason Rakatan Force Sabers weren’t used over Force imbued swords and Proto-Sabers, Rakatan tech was powered solely by the dark side.

[@doctorsidious]

Thanks! I guess my question was more why didn’t the Jedi make one they could use. We see in the high republic novel that they had Ships that could be navigated using the force (Jedi Vectors). It just seems strange that they didn’t incorporate it into the hyperdrive. Now that I come to think about it it’s weird they had the vector tech 1000 years before the movies but not at the time of the phantom menace…

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@doctorsidious the Vector tech is actually a bit of a plot hole in new canon, considering Jedi Starfighters in the movies completely lack sensors for navigation. That’s what made the Delta and Actis II classes impossible for nonjedi to Pilot, no speed gauges, no altimeter, no level marker to tell you which way is up, the Jedi simply sensed all of that through the force.

[@djolds1]

"Rebels" retcons that into reverse engineering hyperdrives from the Purrgil space whales. No Dark Side taint to work out, so it's an easier tale.

[@micheljavert5923]

When the Galactic Republic transitioned to the Galactic Empire, there was no mass switch to hyperspace-capable star fighters (even after the Rebellion began deploying hyperspace-capable star fighters to great effect). In the old X-Wing novels, Wedge Antilles noted that the same impetus behind the lack of hyperspace motivators on TIEs accounted for their lack of shields: They (and their pilots) are supposed to be mass deployable but disposable, which was an idea Palpatine stole from the old Sith Empire (dialed up to 11). Anyway, while it had the dual convenience of hampering the Jedi, likely the non-use of star fighter hyperdrives was just a wider part of changing the Republic’s military doctrine.

[@m1k3droid]

The principle of the actis is to have it as late as nimble as possible and so that it could only be flown by Jedi who were prescient enough to predict when shots are coming at them so they don’t need Shields and they don’t need hyper drives because they’re able to hide if they’re stuck in a system and the added weight would detract from their maneuverability of the craft

[@darwinskeeper421]

That may be true, and that's probably how the Republic's procurement officers explained the lack of shields and an internal hyperdrive. I think its a lot more likely that Palpatine wanted to leave the Jedi vulnerable. I'm pretty sure that the lack of shields on Jedi starfighters led to quite a few Jedi deaths during the Clone Wars, and tying the Jedi to hyperspace rings would have made escaping Order 66 all the more difficult. I sadly feel the Jedi were somewhat complicit in their own extinction. The Jedi Council should have insisted that all of their craft have shields and integral hyperdrives. They were way too agreeable for their own good.

[@4mobius280]

But as they’re operating at long range independently of support craft, a hyperdrive is VITAL.

[@darwinskeeper421]

@@4mobius280 I agree. I understand why one could argue that giving Jedi ships that needed hyperdrive rings during the clone wars could be justified. Many Jedi would operating from a cruiser, and many of the clone starfighters don't have hyperdrives so I understand how the Republic could have argued that Jedi ships without hyperdrives were a good idea. That said, its hard to argue that the Delta 7s shouldn't have an integral hyperdrive. They were used by Jedi traveling alone on various business. Given the dangerous situations a Jedi might be flying into, I would argue that a built in hyperdrive and a shield generator should have been standard equipment on any craft the Jedi would have used.

[@Cap-Archer]

You could make a video of why Star Destroyers have exposed reactors and shields.

[@randallb84]

He did do one about the shields I thought

[@theencolony5595]

The reactors are too big to sit inside the ship (But do have a considerable amount of plating to compensate) and the Shields need to be outside to actually project around the ship

[@NekoApril]

I think SD reactors are inside the ship, just that the thrusters (which might simply be modified exhaust valve, tbf) are exposed. We have seen the reactor rooms of Venetor class ships (and having them exposed to people that have already boarded the ship is I think reasonable), and I doubt that this part of the design would change much for other styles of SDs.

[@theencolony5595]

@@NekoApril the reactor in the imperial star destroyers are the giant bubbles on the bottom of the ships. The cones on the back are thrusters, which definitely need to be exposed lol

[@alexbordenkecher9335]

Obi Wan took Grievous's fighter because he sent his away,he wanted the Sepertists to think he had left

[@HighmageDerin]

I always thought that that ring would double as like a communication satellite. So that while on the planet you had a way to get transmissions off world Securely without using the planet's own infrastructure and risk eavesdropping. And that's probably how it was sold to the jedi,

[@singletona082]

This being palpstine's doing !ales a scary amount of sense. And other non Jedi ships having rigs could be used to point to as 'see? Proven technology. I'm totally not intending on crippling you'

[@JGuraan]

My bet would be that the hyperdrive ring tech was already popular and proven, and might have offered better hyperspace performance than a smaller, integrated drive, and that Palps pushed the procurement of the Sprite and Actis fighters for the Jedi with Eckharts observations in mind.

[@TJackson736]

@@JGuraan Given the grade of a hyperdrive determines how fast it can move across the galaxy, having a better hyperdrive could be seen as worth the hassle of hiding a ring for mobile troops/diplomats.

[@SR_Pleiades]

very cool Eck, thank you.

[@brettmclean1867]

I always assumed it was a practical thing personally. The rings will be used for hyperspace jumps only so can store more fuel than a typical ship of that size, so assuming a Jedi needs to make multiple jumps, they will have a specifically designed piece of tech to do that. Smaller ships may need to refuel with an onboard hyperdrive so this allows the Jedi to operate in smaller, more manoeuvrable ships in planet and have the ring located at a safe distance if needed. This will give them the freedom of a fighter sized ship and the fuel capacity of a larger vessel all in one. We see when the ships are being transported on Venators, that these rings are not there, as the Venator completes the Hyperspace jumps. Also when the ring is not in use it is powered down so having it thousands of kilometres from a planet in the middle of nowhere would make is basically invisible to anyone looking for it which adds to its security. I don’t think Palpatine went into the minute detail of star fighters. Even though he guided most of the war some things he couldn’t control or manipulate - from a time and energy perspective. Plus having the ring isn’t as big an issue for me given the above.

[@4mobius280]

An in built hyperdrive is VITAL to someone operating independently in a hostile environment. Say a Jedi perhaps. Wildly impractical

[@samspeed6271]

Actually, this theory makes a lot of sense. Even if your fleeing Jedi escapes his wingmen turned attackers, where can he go? He's trapped in that system, much easier to hunt down and turn into Jedi toast. I think Palpatine manipulated the Jedi into getting a starfighter that couldn't (or it would be very difficult) have a hyperdrive fitted, namely the Actis. I mean, the thing has thin wings, a short fuselage barely big enough for the cockpit and the sublight engines. Where can you put any extras on her? I mean, even fitting an R2 on the Actis is hard with the Lego models (at least to make it look good). On the Delta, I reckon there's more than enough space for a hyperdrive between the two cannons on the forward fuselage. Similarly, on the N-1 there's space between the guns and also behind the R2 socket that's potentially free. The A Wing is quite a blocky fighter and there's a good amount of volume both behind and in front of the cockpit for a hyperdrive. But the Actis is bare bones, there's just nowhere to put it.

[@lukestephenson8855]

What if it started two Sith generations earlier, Tenebrous, was a noted shipwright and could’ve been playing the long game.

[@lemonworm]

i really like this idea lmao it feels like something luceno mightve written in

[@lynngreen7978]

Z-95 Headhunter (conspicuously absent from the movies, despite being an important fighter of the era) also did not have Hyperdrives.

[@tyyyyyy-w4w]

I always fount that odd that ship isnt even that small

[@DanBray1991]

Depends on the version. In legends later models had hyperdrives, while in canon it seems to be something people retrofit to the Headhunter. Not entirely sure for the different explanations, although they needed an excuse why Empire era Z-95's had hyperdrives but not those in the clone wars series.

[@arthurbrandonnielsen]

I wouldn't be surprised if Plagueis had a hand in it as well. After all, the Clone Wars and Order 66 were just one of many parts/outcomes to the "Sith Grand Plan".

[@FlamingNinja]

Side note: 3:45, in the movie Obi-Wan actually has his starfighter piloted back to the fleet by the Astromech, to trick the CIS into thinking he left.

[@MultiDryder]

Dont forget in episode 4 obiwan said about tie fighter at alderaan is it's a short range fighter and also explained a fighter that size couldn't get into space on it's own So what I think is traditionally smaller fighters dont have hyper drives to begin with but can still have them with right modifications but would also probably be slower also kinda like how as I'm to understand smaller class faster hyperdrive so escape pods have the class 5 or 6 due to size making then slower compared to like millennium falcon with .5 hyperdrive Overall I would say both technological and on palpatine's end strategic

[@oldhatAN]

Well, no. He says that a fighter that small couldn't get *this deep* into space on its own.

[@protiod]

Jedi starfighters seem to be designed for maneuverability. Maybe shields and a hyperdrive would weigh it down too much.

[@MultiDryder]

@@protiod I agree especially with short range use I think maneuverability is more important than having a hyperdrive

[@protiod]

@@MultiDryder Also, the ring can have a much larger hyperdrive with more fuel on board fuel. Both halves work better independently.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Well an A-Wing is about the size or Jedi-Starfighter, so that theory doesn't hold much water - especially since the Rebellion didn't do major tech-development, which would explain how they got smaller hyperdrives for their fighters...so yeah, the Jedi could have had (and some even did put hyperdrives into their fighters after all) hyperdrives, they just didn't go for it (they could have easily made it a requirement for any contracts that the ships and fighters are hyperspace capable without external boosters etc.)

[@videocrowsnest5251]

I can just imagine how stressful (I mean - I am fairly sure even Obi-wan feels stress despite being a Jedi trained to keep calm during even the most intense situations) escaping in the Souless One was for Obi-wan when he had no idea what was going on besides that the Republic forces suddenly were gunning for him after Grievous was dealt with. Jumping up into space, then making a quick jump, and basically doing random jumps in various directions to finally end up in the interstellar void, and then from there he had to jump elsewhere (Basically, even if that's the main gist of hyperspace travel - a series of jumps down routes clear of mass shadows) - I can imagine just playing what amounts to random hyperspace jump hide-and-seek probably isn't the most fun especially when you run the risk of having hostiles wherever you pop into real space at/the risk of colliding with mass shadows is there. I am fairly sure he has to call upon the Force for help here to get anywhere fast due to how the main hyperspace routes probably were too dangerous to use willynilly.

[@kingssman2]

I always thought it was a design issue. Not every ship can scale down a hyperdrive and it would need to run on hyperdrive fuel. The X wing being the most well known hyperdrive craft, we don't have a lot of canon fighters having hyperdrives from either side.

[@forthencholordofadmirals2763]

The only hole that I see is that since it's a Jedi Starfighter it should have been up to them to choose the design and be in control of the design and someone would have had to ask "but what if the hyperspace ring were to be destroyed ?" If that's not what happened then Palpatine was correct about Jedi arrogance and blindness and if Palpatine did do this it's the Jedis own fault.

[@bobbyhempel1513]

So because the Jews didn't think that Adolf Hitler would try to massacre all of them it's okay that he did?

[@forthencholordofadmirals2763]

@@bobbyhempel1513 well last time I checked jews weren't space wizards with a track record of helping billions of people over tens of thousands of years doing great acts of justice and kindness and becoming arrogant and self absorbed. So no it's not okay with what happened to the jews and Hitler and his cronies all deserve to rot in hell

[@forthencholordofadmirals2763]

@@bobbyhempel1513 also idk why you'd bring real serious shit up while talking about sci-fi universes and compare real life events to fictional ones

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

@@bobbyhempel1513 There's a bit of a difference between innocent civilians and a counsel of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, isn't there?

[@matthewleto1180]

Honestly, the v-wing was a great fighter, and could have been used to great effect by the rebellion. The only thing that didn’t allow that to happen was it’s lack of an onboard hyperdrive. It’s a criminally underrated ship with a few misconceptions (thanks to the toys). A similar reason for TIE Fighters and Jedi starfighters probably applied to the v-wing, too.

[@insomniezombie4210]

I wonder what an imperial hyperdrive ring or booster for a tie fighter could look like

[@linkspokemon4114]

It looks the same, but grey and black :P

[@durkhurker6268]

Really, if it tookup the same ring design of the jedi fighters it'd be really bulky. Maybe a "U" or a claw shape that links with either the hull or the wing struts?

[@thevegastan]

@@durkhurker6268 I reckon it would have 4 "claws"-like ring, whereby 2 above and 2 below to secure the TIEs' wings.

[@richiemcnabb5991]

It didn't just trap the Jedi during 66, but it prevented them from retreating and rallying for a counterattack.

[@centurymemes1208]

crazy right

[@SeanMacadelic]

Good job on having your theory referenced by Mr. Sunday movies in their Revenge of the Sith Caravan of Garbage.

[@rethinker167]

I always thought it was because older days of the star wars era and less technical and wasnt available to put in those ships. And also the jedi fighter was meant to be fast, nimble and small. Putting a hyperdrive would make it too chunky. Interesting theory you have.

[@wyoboy01]

The thing about the hyperspace ring is that it significantly increases the starfighter's range to 150,000 light years compared to 1-40,000 light years for a normal ship. It also carries extra fuel and breathable air for the pilot since the Delta 7 was only supposed to be able to operate for about 5 hours before it needed to refuel and resupply.

[@kidoliva]

Space is big. Good luck trying to find a small ring in the space!

[@AWriterWandering]

I would imagine the thing has a locator beacon on it

[@nathanhough8156]

As usual you find something to make me feel less sure about my major problems with the whole Palpatine's order 66 plan I still think it's stupid that a large enough percent of the republic would believe the whole jedi rebellion. But you keep putting out videos that make me re think that. Great job man

[@schlafer8785]

The most ancient and powerfull Sith secret is their time management. Having multiple parallel lives, teaching half a dozen apprentices individually, manipulating galactic politics from the background and still finding time to think about minute details!

[@TheTendermen]

I think cost could also tie into cost, having a separate ring could be simply cheaper than having an integrated engine, both production wise, and maintenance wise

[@MonkeyJedi99]

I ran a space game a few year ago where one of the enemy's factions of elite warriors used detachable FTL sections to increase the real-space speed and maneuverability of this group's strike craft. The players figured out by the second encounter to send their first missiles at the undocked FTL section so that if they had to bail on the fight in their bigger/slower/less maneuverable ship, they would be able to go to FTL while the enemy forces would have to wait for a carrier to show up to give them a ride.

[@hamcillus6678]

I always assumed the Hyper drive ring system allowed them to tie a much more powerful Hyperdrive than what could normally fit in the ship

[@nickvinsable3798]

🤔 . . . I honestly believe that its #1: the tech level of hyperdrives. Sure, its possible that the Jedi Starfighters themselves had pretty small & slow hyperdrives, commonly classified as backup hyperdrives (primary reason for this is “TIE Fighter” (PC): Conflict at Mylok IV). However, #2: I honestly believe that the hyperdrive rings served two purposes which is the obvious hyperspace travel method & that it is its own dedicated starfighter carrier that carries only one starfighter; it acts as a mobile refueling ship & a communications relay; a backup to what Jedi already have in their starfighters & such.

[@thecelestialpoet6169]

Great theory eck! I agree! Keep these theory episodes coming! There great!

[@christophercarroll]

I remember reading somewhere that they wanted a fighter with a lot of agility for dog fights, especially while within a planet’s atmosphere. So they went with fighters that had the least weight-a hyperdrive that can be attached or detached giving the Jedi star-fighters that complimented the Jedi’s abilities.

[@vibecheck255]

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[@nathanielgransell506]

Oh dang, that’s a new perspective. I thought that the reason they didn’t have a hyperdrive was so that the Jedi piloting the ship was able to sense what was around them and allow the ship to be more nimble.

[@yeet-qi7ys]

You should do more straight up theory videos. You do mostly fact vids but I’d love to see more like this

[@jrfenkart]

Good theory, and it makes you wonder why Thrawn was studying hyper drive ring technology in one of the new Thrawn trilogy books.

[@waterchain8thehonestgamer511]

I agree with ur points and tbh I'm just enjoying ur vid but noticed ur bit about Obi's fighter and him taking Grievous's fighter, his starfighter had actually already left, his astromech flew it back to the Republic Fleet so the CIS did not know that he was still on the planet. Anyways keep up the good work love the vid

[@seths8203]

I agree with this theory. Palpatine would definitely go the extra mile to make sure that Order 66 went perfectly. Since the Delta 7 was older, it could’ve been Plagueis that did it. As a prominent banker, he could’ve been able to bribe Kuat or any manufacturer to not include a hyperdrive. Not only were the Jedi ideologically corrupt by the time of Order 66, but their attachment to the Republic meant that they could be reliant on dark money. And a tracker or some damaging feature would be better hidden on a hyperspace ring than the actual fighter, which the Jedi pay more attention to

[@sashabraus9422]

You know what'll be cool? A force user so powerful they're able to pull a small fighter into hyperspace without a hyperdrive.

[@tyyyyyy-w4w]

That's a thing in legends I believe

[@Zeknif1]

ARC-170 pilot when he sees a Jedi Starfighter: Are your fighters... Jedi Issue... sir?

[@juangonzalez9848]

It makes sense for the Jedi to need nimble and quick starfighters. If you don’t have a hyperdrive, and minimal everything else, you can outrun/outmaneuver everything in existence. Just need to keep the ring hidden after you drop out of hyperspace, which a Jedi should be able to do, being all tactical and whatnot.

[@4mobius280]

Actually it’s wildly impractical. The Jedi operate with very little support in potentially hostile environments. They need the ability to travel interstellar differences and a hyperdrive ring is incredibly stupid in this scenario. Too vulnerable and limiting.

[@juangonzalez9848]

@@4mobius280 Well, the A-Wing did pretty bloody good for being all engine and little else. While yes, it did have a hyperdrive, imagine what it could do by removing that weight. Even if it was only ten percent of the total weight, that’s ten percent less the engine has to move around, which also adds that new excess to the total available power to weight ratio. Now yes, hyperdrive is very useful, however, if you are trying to break through a screening force, being able to outrun anything they can put in your way is far more useful then being able to jump out of the system. You can get past the screening forces, and do your damn job on the ground rather then running home at the first sign of resistance.

[@4mobius280]

@@juangonzalez9848 which works if you have a carrier to bring you close enough to use that extra speed. But the Jedi operate on their own. A lot. At really long range. That extra sub light speed is useless if you can’t get there in the first place.

[@TeraQuad]

Makes sense why the New Jedi Order used the Stealth X-Wing.

[@markvicferrer]

Makes sense - giving them a limiting factor & tracking each hyperspace ring. Fits in with Palpatine planning stuff out.

[@JoheTehn]

i remember in jedi starfighter game, The reason why the don't have it is, it was made with the least amount of technology possible to let them feel more of the force withtout being to much disturb or like, kept in cage. but now, that little bit of information is legend

[@NoobNoobNews]

I think that hyper rings are the faster option of hyper drive. If you can put a hyper drive on a star fighter, it is heavy and slows the fighter down. Also, it is a small drive with low hyperspace speed. A hyper ring, being huge, give huge speeds in hyperspace. Palatine probably gave hyper rings because of all of the drawbacks in the video, but also to give the Jedi a reason to accept the drawbacks. An overwhelming speed advantage for the small number of Jedi to be able to have almost unnatural ability to respond to every crisis quickly. In the end, the Jedi would be spread out further apart from one another, in more isolated spaces of the galaxy, and in the end... with such speed, they are able to get into trouble faster than they could ever hope to get out. Just as planned.

[@garkon8242]

I like the idea of Palpatine planing this all out. Without Hyperdrive the Jedi are screwed during Order 66, a simple lockdown command could have shut all available rings down. I fits well with my head canon that Palpatine in secret had his hands behind a lot of design processes for the Republic Army/Navy and the transition into the Galactic Empire. Out of universe the Old Republic/Sith Empire Era was flashed out later, which lead to the Sith Empire being very simmilar to the Galactic Empire in terms of structur and ranking system. In my head i turned that around to Palpatine modeling his Empire after the old Sith Empire and even having some influence over the Ship design, as i.e. Venators and Star Destroyers design wise are somewhat close to the Harrower Dreadnoughts used by the old Sith Empire.

[@mr.flames360]

You're theory makes alot of sense. So much sense that it will never be canon. Here at Disney we need it to be much, much more convoluted. So convoluted that we need an entire comic series to explain it.

[@TheMugHoarder]

That theory is pretty solid. In the Clone Wars show when Cad Bane stole a V-19 Torrent and its hyper drive ring the command staff of the Venator tried to disable it. It's almost like those rings were an "added" security feature to prevent easy escapes.

[@TerLoki]

Honestly this feels like a situation where both theories are correct and complimentary to each other. You've said yourself in other episodes that Jedi liked their fighters to be stripped down and rely on minimal systems, preferring to use the Force to help them fly the ship. Palpatine would have known about this and could then leverage it to persuade the suppliers to the Jedi Council and designers for other systems relating to their starfighters, and even the Jedi themselves, that an integrated hyperdrive was not necessary. Also, even outside of the GAR and before the Clone Wars, a Jedi's stafighter might in some way be like their lightsaber: A personal piece of equipment tied to the individual Jedi. In that case it would be helpful for them to have a separate hyperdirve ring that they could remotely activate or deactivate, as an integrated hyperdrive means that all a potential thief would have to do is hop in the fighter and fly off. A separate hyperdrive ring could be shut down more easily or simply hidden to prevent someone from running off with a Jedi's ship. Just my own theory, but it would certainly make some sense for Jedi off on individual missions in far-flung hostile regions in that sense.

[@johne.4884]

Great theory. Especially given that the clone pilots were some of the least skilled clone units in the GAR. They needed every edge they had to shoot down a jedi starfighter.

[@lightspeedvictory]

The Needle fighter, developed in the post-Endor era had probably the smallest fighter sized hyperdrive seeing as the whole fighter was only a couple meters in length. Yes this was maybe 40 or so years after the Clone Wars but it does show that a dedicated research and development program could’ve developed it 4 the Jedi. Plus, relying on hyperspace rings, in addition to the facts u mentioned in the video, increases the overall per unit cost possibly way more than one with an integrated hyperdrive, thus making it unattractive to “bean counters.” Of course, one of the reasons y the Empire was incredibly reluctant to outfit Ties with hyper drives was the supposed costs associated with adding the various systems to the fighter… More importantly, I think I read somewhere that the reason 4 the lack of hyper drives (and shields as well iirc) on Jedi fighters was the same main reason that the Empire didn’t mount them on Ties: to make the fighter as light and therefore as fast and agile as possible. The high speed and agility of Jedi fighters were the reason y so few were used outside of the order, as few had the reflexes necessary to control such a craft

[@type_s_tyler7547]

My question would be how much influence did Palpatine have over the development of the Delta 7? Cause if the ship was developed in peacetime, id imagine it would look pretty suspicious if the office of the supreme chancellor was meddling with internal jedi affairs presuming the jedi had little to no affiliation with the republic navy. Also, as you pointed out the starfighters lacked shields, which goes to show how dedicated the designers were to being light and nimble. But still a great theory!

[@Zeknif1]

It is also worth noting that with Anakin under his thumb, it would have been easy to convince the premier starfighter pilots among the Jedi that this was the correct course by going through Anakin. Additionally, literally all the Separatist lightsaber wielding commanders used hyperdrive equipped small craft to escape capture several times since the Jedi couldn’t directly pursue them in their own starfighters. This prevented Separatist defeats from snowballing into a short war.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

Yes, some Delta-7’s (and two-seater Delta-12’s) were fitted with onboard hyperdrives, and the V-wing starfighter also required a hyperdrive ring if I recall correctly.

[@robertdrexel2043]

I remember a theory someone had way back when before Disney came in and started to make new canon that compact hyperdrives that could be used on a starfighter were not around during the days before the Clone Wars and into the war itself. This came about after the background for the old version of the Cloakshape Fighter and that it needed a special sled to allow it to go to hyperspace. Similar to the Hyperspace Rings we see in Episode Two. Of course, like Eck there is a couple holes in the theory mainly with the mentioned N1 Fighter sporting a hyperdrive. However as far as I know it was only said to have a hyperdrive in secondary material basically the Starfighter series of video games and some of the background material including its entry in the The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels. It was never send to have a Hyperdrive in Episode One itself and even in Episode Two the escorting N1s of Padma's starship could have been locked down on the starship's starfighter refueling docks while at hyperspace. Or it could be simply a new recent thing introduced and the N1 Hyperdrive was only short range as a result of it being a newfangled piece of tech. Hence, the need for those refueling docks on the J-Type Barge Padme used at the beginning of Episode Two. Shrug. It was only when the ARC-170 heavy starfighter was first being developed during the middle of the Clone Wars that saw the needed research and development into viable compact hyperdrives being a major thing. Again. There is of course the Y-Wing but we are only shown it sporting a hyperdrive in the Clone Wars cartoon. That is the only thing I cannot explain outside of it using similar hyperdrive tech to that of the N-1 and it being a short-range hyperspace capable bomber. Shrug. Anyways. It was just an interesting theory someone had back in the days before Disney came along. It was an interesting idea all around in my opinion and one that I liked for it would be an interesting bit of lore to add to the Star Wars Galaxy. Since outside of some things there wasn't really any progression of tech over the years. It would also show the accleration of research and development of new tech during wartime was a thing with Star Wars. That said. I do happen to like Eck's theory here for it does make sense and I can totally see the Future Emperor actually doing something like this to the Jedi.

[@DarthSears]

What was the video at the end? I'm curious.

[@Meravokas]

One big thing though, we know that while the N-1 Starfighter can house and run a hyperdrive, the very slim form factor which both classes of Jedi Starfighter were (The later in particular) meant that even with a hyperdrive was strapped on/in. The amount of fuel for distance would still be a heavily limiting factor. For example, I can't remember the exact source, but N-1's that had hyperdrives could only jump several systems before a point of no return or requiring refueling at any point past that. A Jedi Starfighter with a hyperdrive would give a jedi a better chance at getting away, but without the range that a hyperdrive ring allows they wouldn't get far enough away to hide very effectively.

[@cheddaman]

What was that last clip in the video it looked very intriguing

[@I_am_Diogenes]

Good points . IMO this would be for several reasons . 1) Dont need hyperdrive in combat and this is a fighter . 2) It was specifically built for the Jedi which "could" mean the controls/maneuvering wiring was such as it made hyperdrive incompatible . As you pointed out , this would greatly limit the distance capability limiting their effectiveness .... but if Palpatine went through the planning of order 66 part of the process would have been the clean-up and what better way to limit the Jedi ability to flee Order 66 than to issue them a fighter with NO legs ? It makes sense to me .... Does that make me a Sith ? lol

[@battlesheep2552]

Given how absolutely tiny Actis-4's are, it makes sense that you couldn't fit a hyperdrive in them. Question is, if the Jedi had their own hyperdrive-capable Starfighters before the clone wars, why couldn't they use those? How did Palpatine convince them to trade those in for tiny Actis-4s

[@macwelch8599]

Also, would it not be cheaper to build multipurpose starfighters rather than building three different types?

[@angrycotchnillollin4758]

While it may be cheaper to produce a multipurpose fighter, I think the idea (in universe anyway) is something similar to having different tanks with different configurations in WW2. Example; you could have a single squad of multipurpose fighters to use in a battle, but giving a squad orders for all kinds of different roles can be tiring--and too much to think about, whereas multiple squads of ships, each with a defined purpose can be tasked with several objectives separately, and have less worry of overworking the squadron commanders. TL;DR: Multiple specialized ships put less strain on their crews, while a true multipurpose ship can accomplish more, at the cost of crew fatigue.

[@macwelch8599]

@@angrycotchnillollin4758 thanks

[@Neptune-or4vm]

That’s why multipurpose was so easy for the CIS. You don’t have to train anyone, just developed one specialized Programm and you could, for example, use commander droids as senate guards. Although they aren’t fighters or vehicles, it’s still pretty similar. It always comes down to us humans, or aliens :/

[@angrycotchnillollin4758]

@@macwelch8599 Cheers, just my 2 cents but I figured I'd give some food for thought.

[@johnlavery3433]

That’s complicated. A Jack of all trades is a master of none. Look at real life naval warfare. US Naval doctrine means a ship should be multipurpose with regards to anti air and anti sub warfare, while European doctrine means that ships should be optimised with one role and capable of nothing more than self defence. It means two Arleigh Burke class destroyers have inferior capabilities to say, a British type 45 destroyer or a Franco-Italian Horizon class frigate in the air defence role, and say, a British 23 frigate or a Franco Italian Bergemini class frigate, at at slightly higher cost

[@thatcherridings8388]

I love when the best theories just fit

[@Boy10Dio]

interesting theory. my headcannon is simply that the jedi wanted their fighters to be more nimble and have smaller packaging for dog fights and general evasive maneuvers. but this theory involving the Palp...it's solid. what more can really be said.

[@InveterateMendaciousness]

Where’s that clip in the last minute of the video from?

[@RJBryan0311]

Looking for this too

[@tyyyyyy-w4w]

I believe squadrons

[@jurgenandrag3181]

Squadrons cinematic trailer, I believe.

[@mr_e_mc2]

My thoughts on the detachable hyperdrives was an option to have best of both worlds craft, having Faster hyperdrives for smaller vessel so that the vessel detached could be made smaller and more maneuverable and harder to target and hit while detached, but then still have a faster hyperdrive to also be able to traverse long distances at increased rates. I.e. adding a faster class 0.9 fitted on the ring, but only a class 1.X+ would fit in the craft directly at the same size, that would also eat into maneuverability and energy consumption, taking away from shields and weapons payload etc...., but adding a class 0.9 in the vehicle directly increased the size and power requirements making them slower and less maneuverable in combat. basically adding more to the ship directly takes away from attack capabilities but adds in long range capabilities, So the ring was a method to have a fast close quarters combat vehicle like a tie fighter while detached, but also have the ability to connect to a faster hyperdrive as needed when not engaged in close quarters fleet battles, as the Jedi used the force while flying across the battle to out maneuver opponents, so the lighter more nimble craft would be superior in engagements, then have an option to reconnect to a ring drive for long distance travel and rapid relocation to outrun fleets with known trajectories.

[@hendrikgreiner8449]

Another point in my eyes is, to find that freaking ring in - you know, space - you need to have some kind of beacon or tracker. Which makes it very esay to find by just catching on to the signal and to either destroy or to capture it back, or even to lay another trap for the Jedi if he wants to get out of system and is especially good at hiding.

[@adamjohnson4821]

This makes a disturbing amount of sense. Which begs the question how hard would it be to add a HYPERDRIVE to the Eta-2? And how much would it change the overall performance? My guess is not much.

[@jeambeam3173]

Any added weight is added weight

[@Bucketroo]

Oh wow, I had no idea that V-19 Torrents had their own hyperdrive rings! Great, I'm gonna have to build one in LEGO now... THANKS ECK!

[@lordMartiya]

Well, this makes a compelling argument. Especially after Anakin built the Azure Angel and some of the improvements were included in both the Delta-7B and the Eta-2... But not the hyperdrive.

[@obsidiansands]

I find it interesting how "modern day" Jedi closest to the Clone War era sort of got rid of having their own starships. They literally became cogs in the wheel of the slowly corrupted Republic. Jedis prior to the that era had their own starships, they were simply intentionally handicapped by the Republic and Palpy himself.

[@coolo73]

So basically Palpatine pulled an Apple and tied Jedi travel to a proprietary dongle.

[@jakethornton4856]

I always just assumed that the reason for the rings was that it had a faster hyperdrive than cud be put in most fighters. I always assumed jedi had the fastest hyperdrive cuz obi wan went to kamino really fast and it was outside the galaxy. I dont know what class of hyperdrive was in the x wing but i assume it wasnt a class 1.

[@goodmind4940]

X-wing has Class 1 lol

[@jakethornton4856]

@@goodmind4940 i cudnt remember which one the x wing had

[@davidalan6701]

I always assumed that it was a combination of hubris and status. The feeling that nobody would have the audacity to “sucker-punch” a Jedi by taking out their hyperspace ring, and the fact that someone as esteemed as a Jedi would usually travel in style, to some extent, on larger ships.

[@Sean-y1m]

Wish there was more order 66 content. There were thousands of Jedis and thousands of stories. I’m sure they could come up with an interesting order 66 Star Wars story.

[@DanBray1991]

TLDR Version: It's because the Jedi or any major military weren't the target purchasers, individual planetary armed forces were. The main reason for this is the Delta 7's (and their later models) were suppose to be brought by an individual planet's armed forces for space superiority around the planet. A hyperdrive was surplus to this requirement, thus the hyperdrive ring being an 'optional' extra. Kind of how car manufacturers and real life military vehicle manufacturers do exactly the same thing. The Abrams tanks sold to Egypt for example had 'optional extras' and Vickers in their heyday did the same too. A closer real life example would be Propeller based Military Aircraft being sold with drop tanks or a variety of different fuel tank sizes. The Jedi required fighters in similar numbers to an individual planetary force. Remember by the clone wars period, there wasn't that many Jedi and they simply brought these craft for their performance (Plus there is a two seater training model which is perfect for training Padwans). Because of the relatively low amount needed they were seen as being semi-bespoke purchases and they didn't mind getting the hyperdrive rings as an extra. The Jedi orders procurement process was totally in control of this decision and it was very little to do with outside influences.

[@maaderllin]

I'm not sure if I remember right, but it seems to me that TIE fighters not haveing hyperdrive also helps prevent desertion from pilots. Even if this is not a canon reason for not having them per say, one episode of Rebels shows this pretty clearly. This brings credence to your theory when applied to Jedi starfighters.

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

Personally while I admit that the hyperspace ring is cool as heck the only reason a one starfighter carrier like that would work is if there is a mismatch between the rings and the fighters. Especially if the hyperspace communication and propulsion are so expensive (what is the jedi budget anyway) that a few deltas have to share. I've also been interested in the hyperspace ballast mentioned on the things it would be pretty neat if the technology could be modified to move a squad especially if they don't have to be connected to the drive

[@TheCdigs01]

Werent the ships made with jedi watching the process and even inputting desired traits? I thought i had read that somewhere when dealing with the delta 7 and or the jedi starfighters in episode 3.

[@Mr-Tibbster]

I figured that maybe it was meant to be some sort of technological development thing on part of Lucas, that fighters didn't have hyperdrives installed until the OT era, only larger ships.

[@justinschultheisz4673]

6:10 never took the time to see what this says, but if I’m reading it right, it says, “Anakin, turn the ship around and go back home right .....” I can’t make out that last word. Someone please check my work and see if I’m right.

[@AgentExeider]

@EckhartsLadder I think there is a more mundane reason beyond Palpatine's grand design or technical limitation. Hubris, or Pride. Not in the Jedi but the ship designers. I remember reading in I think the Phantom Menace art book that they explain the reason why Clone Wars era ships look the way they do rather than the Imperial era, is alot of ships are hand crafted, personally designed and allowed for "artistic expression" by the designer, not the carbon copy, factory produced, stamped out from a mold type construction of later ships. I think the use of hyperspace rings is an artistic expression designed by ship designers who did so in an era of long standing peace in the republic. These starfighters were not designed with War in mind, they were designed with Peace in mind. Much like how the Enterprise D is designed to host families, and is designed more around comfort and hosting dinner parties for visiting dignataries than the original enterprise which was a much more "militaristic" vessel, few comforts, cruising around for x number of years before refit and supply, and built with conflict in mind. Why? The Klingons, the Federation was in active conflict with the Klingons, and thus designed their ships with a more combat focus. Fast forward to the TNG era and the ships were designed as KEEPERS of the peace not creators of the peace that their predecessors were, which is why they were essentially caught with their pants down when the Dominion showed up, and the Defiant type vessels, which was a purely combat focused vessel was considered unheard of. The same with The Republic and the Clone Wars. The CW era ships were designed by people coming off of an era of peace, that's why the star fighters are at least somewhat capable of defending themselves but looking at how they are designed, the pew-pew lasers are probably good for small engagements where the pilot just needs to defend themselves, these ships were not designed with WAR in mind. This is why the Clone troopers ships had guns six ways from Sunday, and were starkly different in design, simple, boxy, mass producible and guns all over. This design mandate continued as the Empire expanded, fighting the indigenous people's of various star systems to subjugate them, and as freer people moved into places like Hutt space to get away from the empire, why those ships retain the boxy mass produced feel, combined with the kit bash, jury rig feel. because those people not having access to Imperial controlled ship yards but still needing to defend themselves in what is otherwise lawless space. So the Jedi Starfighters using hyperdrive rings was most likely an aesthetic choice on part of the designer. Because you are right, it is WHOLLY impracticable from a tactical standpoint. Which means the designs are hand-me-downs from an era of more "Artistic Pursuits."

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

A well considered argument, but I can't believe that no-one's mentioned "It can be very difficult to keep your ring secure." Mr Ladder, would you like to reconsider your choice of words? 😜

[@katieell4084]

I don't know what the joke here is but I assume it's obscene. Deep EU reference there, hard to believe anyone anywhere would get it.

[@DoctorX17]

I thought that Jedi starfighters lacked shields and hyperdrive specially for weight reasons -- in Star Wars: Resistance, they feature racing craft which (normally) don't include a hyperdrive because they're heavy and slow you down. Jedi starfighters are also meant to be hyper nimble in order to enable maneuvers that can't be achieved in a regular fighter by a regular pilot. Your theory makes sense tho -- maybe super light hyperdrives were a thing, and just kept a secret

[@redjaypictures4528]

We literally see an example of this in one episode of the clone wars where anakin had to use a replacement astromech after R2 went missing and the new droid detached anakin’s hyperdrive ring during an encounter with grievous

[@dans2ndxbox360]

Good theory and entirely possible. Ol' Palp did have an eye for the details. He could have planned it. I still think that Jedi, reflexes, hyperdrive pod weight, maneuverability, and the cool Factor were why. Plus who doesn't like one thing that is two things!?🤔

[@feathers1093]

what was that game or animation in the end?

[@granatmof]

I like the theory. I don't know if Palpatine necessarily planned it, or just took advantage as a senator and later chancellor to influence the design choices to impose additional limitations to the Jedi. It makes strategic sense. It's worth noting Jedi before the Clone Wars were mostly police and diplomatic negotiators. The using of the rings could indicate an intention to stay until the situation resolves or a willingness to open oneself to a vulnerability during a negotiation as a sign of trust. That said however, Epsiode 1 the ship the Jedi take to Naboo is a Senate transport iirc instead of the single seat craft. I don't know if what was SOP or even when the jedi single seat craft were introduced. It's likewise worth pointing out the orbiting ring could also act as a private satellite to transmit any transmissions across the galaxy, but honestly, I have no idea how FTL communication occurs in Star Wars. A private satellite could prove useful in certain tactical situations. Likewise if a system was going to be hostile they'd attack the ring first to deny escape and a Jedi would have more time to react to survive. To me the rings launchers are 2 things, a rule of cool, and maybe a reference to less refined or equipped starcraft in the era before the OT. For the Rule of cool, I'm reminded in Epsiode 2, Dooku uses a craft that also has a 2 stage function. I'm just brainstorming though. I like your theory, it adds to the complexity of Sidious' plan or his ability to turn every small thi g to his advantage.