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Жыл бұрын

Dr. Suzannah Lipscomb unfolds the extraordinary story of the tumultuous love affair between Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, and asks: was it really love that brought them together - and was it love that tore them apart?
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@DebdenJohnny
@DebdenJohnny Жыл бұрын
The ultimate irony is that, despite everything Henry did to perpetuate the his Dynasty by having a son, the daughter of Anne, whom he executed eventually became one of our greatest monarchs and, because of her not having marrying or having children, the Tudor Dynasty ended with her!
@nyahanan
@nyahanan Жыл бұрын
King Henry VIII get a curse from the Almighty Lord for adultery! Germany get the curse for not following the Gospel!
@IndigoBellyDance
@IndigoBellyDance Жыл бұрын
Ultimate irony is how he blamed his wives for not having a son When he determined the sex of the child 😂😂😂😂😂
@DebdenJohnny
@DebdenJohnny Жыл бұрын
@@IndigoBellyDance Henry was quite capable of fathering a son. He had a son Edward by his wife Jane Seymour who became Edward V1. He also had another son by his mistress Elizabeth Blount named Henry Fitzroy who Henry acknowledge as his son.
@IndigoBellyDance
@IndigoBellyDance Жыл бұрын
@@DebdenJohnny sperm determines the sex of the child (X or Y chromosome). Sperm comes from father, all mothers give their child the X chrosome. So, Henry very much determined the sex of all of his children. But he blamed his first two wives for only giving him healthy girls.
@thanhhuongnguyen4648
@thanhhuongnguyen4648 Жыл бұрын
​@@IndigoBellyDance con trai của Anne và Catherine of Aragon đều chết non . Edward 6 chết bệnh ở tuổi 15. Con trai riêng của Henry 8 cũng rất khó sống qua tuổi trưởng thành. Chứng tỏ , Henry 8 có thể đã khiến các con trai không được khoẻ mạnh .
@hughdncy
@hughdncy 7 ай бұрын
I believe in Anne's innocence. Henry just didn't want to stand there like a weak King. Although we all know he knew she was innocent. He just didn't want to admit that he was wrong.
@sheilabloom6735
@sheilabloom6735 5 ай бұрын
He need a new body to produce an heir.
@jacquelinebell6201
@jacquelinebell6201 4 ай бұрын
He was easily convinced by others of a person's guilt. It was easier to believe his advisors and council when it was convenient. He had a weak personality really. But could charm anyone he wanted to. Then power went to his head. Even as a boy he wanted all the perks that went with a king.
@seasons1650
@seasons1650 3 ай бұрын
He had a job he believed God required of him. I'm sure his wives were heartbroken but I'm sure they also wanted him to obey God, and in death they were also obeying.
@NatzTalk
@NatzTalk 8 күн бұрын
I'm certain she didn't cheat.
@waitwhat1029
@waitwhat1029 4 күн бұрын
I always thought the motivation was a bit more spiteful. The idea of her living a life that he wasn't the center of... the idea that she might be happy without him...he'd rather see her dead.
@angelwingstn3392
@angelwingstn3392 Жыл бұрын
I think Elizabeth never got married and had children due to her father. With the affairs, killing or casting away of his wives, I'm pretty sure that left a bad imprint on her.
@-KMA-
@-KMA- 7 ай бұрын
And she most likely didn’t want a king out of spite imo. Had she married, she could say goodbye to being a powerful queen, as the king would’ve taken over. She did good but sadly no heirs. She pulled a feminist move lol.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
Actually, she stayed "single" for political reasons. Its how she drove foreign policy. Smart lady...
@dianalynnelizabeth780
@dianalynnelizabeth780 6 ай бұрын
she was also inappropriately abused/harassed by Thomas Seymour when she was an early teen while living with Henry’s last wife, Catherine Parr. After Henry died in 1547, Catherine Parr married Thomas Seymour. Thomas Seymour began to show affection toward Elizabeth, tickling her by slapping her on her behind as she lay in her bed, or coming into her room in his nightclothes. Her governess, Kat Ashley, thought this scandalous, and reported it to Catherine It was a horrible scandal that was said to have also seriously traumatized Elizabeth, especially when Catherine found out and basically kicked Elizabeth out of her house. Elizabeth looked up to Catherine and had found a mother like figure in Catherine Parr, which made it all worse. Catherine Parr was a Protestant and the first woman in England to write & publish a book under her own name. Elizabeth looked up to and was very close with Catherine Parr. Years later, after Elizabeth had been kicked out of the household, Catherine Parr sadly died during childbirth and Seymour was executed by his own nephew, king Edward VI when he tried to kidnap king Edward VI at gunpoint in 1549 at Hampton Court because he was looking to gain more Influence and power at the royal court.
@angelwingstn3392
@angelwingstn3392 6 ай бұрын
@@dianalynnelizabeth780 Thank you. I didn't know about some of this. It would have most definitely left a scar on Elizabeth.
@ardenalexa94
@ardenalexa94 6 ай бұрын
@@dianalynnelizabeth780 yeah, at least today when traumas happen, there’s mental health care available. Back then they didn’t have child services and mental health care. Feel so bad for Elizabeth 1st. Thomas Seymour was disgusting.
@womerine
@womerine Жыл бұрын
If Henry, at any point, believed Anne had been unfaithful, he would have done more than made Elizabeth a bastard. He would have disowned her altogether. It goes to show that he never denied that Elizabeth was his daughter that he KNEW Anne was a faithful wife to him. He simply had another woman in mind already who could give him another chance to have children.
@frugalitystartsathome4889
@frugalitystartsathome4889 Жыл бұрын
Don’t think it proves anything. Elizabeth was undoubtedly his child but that didn’t mean Anne wouldn’t subsequently be unfaithful out of desperation for a male heir. I don’t personally think she was, but to say he KNEW she wasn’t isn’t actually statement of fact - he was doubtless able to twist reality in his mind to suit his own purposes…
@elmin82
@elmin82 Жыл бұрын
he just want an excuse to get rid of her
@princetonburchill6130
@princetonburchill6130 Жыл бұрын
Henry had been presented with too much evidence against Anne to have ignored it. Add to her alleged infidelity was the alleged plot she engineered with her brother George to poison the king, and together rule England, in her daughter Elizabeth's name. Henry's physicians had convinced him that Anne was very unlikely to produce a healthy child after her last miscarriage. Therefore, she had to go, regardless of his own feelings. The succession was of paramount importance. I'm sure, he had planned to have his marriage to Anne annulled, leaving him free to marry a healthy virgin - Jane Seymour. Henry was to eventually discover the truth of Anne's innocence, and Cromwell's plot to bring her down. Cromwell was beheaded on trumped-up charges of High Treason shortly afterwards.
@marciatargato8093
@marciatargato8093 Жыл бұрын
He knew Anne was not unfaithful he just wanted a son he had every one at court spreading rumours mainly Cromwell so he could get rid of her fast and not have another divorce take years to achieve like his first wife because she refused to let him go. Anne would have done the same
@bellabubb1384
@bellabubb1384 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. He ordered the swordsman before the guilty verdict. He wanted her gone
@giuliamassimino2840
@giuliamassimino2840 Жыл бұрын
He was a horrible person, a mass murderer, a cruel man. He did not love Anne, nor any other of his wives or lovers. What he did to them and to "traitors" was disgusting, even for people from that historical period... and I feel so sorry for Catherine, she didn't deserve all that cruelty.
@laurad324
@laurad324 11 ай бұрын
That’s what you get with inbreeding.
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 9 ай бұрын
No, she absolutely did not. She was a good wife and queen. It certainly was not her fault that little Prince Henry died, nor that she could not give him a living male heir. And he completely messed up Mary and, to some extent, Elizabeth. I'm sure, had I been the latter, after seeing my father's marital history, I would opt never to marry.
@nata3467
@nata3467 9 ай бұрын
He wanted to believe the accusations. Horrible person who consistently blamed others for his shortcomings.
@KiaMariaMarkkanen
@KiaMariaMarkkanen 9 ай бұрын
Remember that when the frontal lobe of the brain is damaged, ppls characteristics change from a little grumpy to VERY CRUMPY. And also existing pain all the time and the methods of healing make anybody mad. He Aldo was easily manipulated and bipolar& a bit OCD. AND he had a God Complex. Coz of the book of Obidiebce of a Christian Man he got the impression that he is the One and Only and only God's above him (but this he never showed to anyone- he kept catholic traditions when he was alone).
@KiaMariaMarkkanen
@KiaMariaMarkkanen 9 ай бұрын
God being above him' that fact didn't exist when G HENRY WAS WEITH PPL. HE WAS G KING,CHURCH AND GOD. in his own mind. Thus mocking him without really thinking about him and his life, it is just a word game without any thinking given into it.
@frankfielder
@frankfielder 8 ай бұрын
We all speak of love when in many cases we mean lust.
@elizabethmcleod246
@elizabethmcleod246 2 ай бұрын
Does lust last 7 years?
@halllloooooooooo356
@halllloooooooooo356 2 ай бұрын
@@elizabethmcleod246 does love last entile you can't birth a son?
@user-dz1rc4wk2t
@user-dz1rc4wk2t 2 ай бұрын
Inaccurate, we all know the difference
@SiberianSwiftieAlexanderS
@SiberianSwiftieAlexanderS 2 ай бұрын
@@user-dz1rc4wk2t Oh la la. Maybe not all, maybe not always😊
@okayand4871
@okayand4871 2 ай бұрын
​@elizabethmcleod246 yep, especially since she promised a son but couldn't provide one. He was motivated by the pleasure of a beautiful young woman and to have an heir. He loved his first wife until she got old and gained weight and didn't bare a son.
@bellabubb1384
@bellabubb1384 Жыл бұрын
He truly turned into a savage. Not even so much as a goodbye for the woman he supposedly loved so much and chased for years. Then, he’s married within 11 days. What he did to Catherine was horrible too. He would just become infatuated with women and want to possess them. Once he got the women and took their virginities….which he also seemed obsessed with despite not being “pure” himself, he lost interest bc the women lost their novelty and no longer were the picture of innocence and purity that he was obsessed with
@tianna1116
@tianna1116 Жыл бұрын
I agree, he was an absolute pig by the latter half of his life. Then a complete paycho
@glen7318
@glen7318 11 ай бұрын
what are you on about
@nata3467
@nata3467 9 ай бұрын
He definitely wanted to get rid of her. Henry was an egotistical king....and had already moved on.
@danirichey8313
@danirichey8313 9 ай бұрын
Yet he himself had many mistresses, some of whom were also married, and fathered children from these woman….. But heaven forbid if one of his wives has one secret love affair
@tatyanamelnikoff9578
@tatyanamelnikoff9578 8 ай бұрын
mary boleyn, ann's older sister, was married, and henry viii decided he wanted her as a mistress. being close friends with the husband, he felt somewhat guilty, and would lavish him with all sorts of money and property. whhy? mary had to do all the gruesome heavy lifting.
@hazelpearson7807
@hazelpearson7807 7 ай бұрын
After 500 years the fact that there’s any letters that survived at all is astonishing. To have Annes book of prayers to hold, look at and read is amazing, as Henry ordered every reminder of Anne to be destroyed after her death.
@abbietabby
@abbietabby 7 ай бұрын
You know what is so upsetting? The book of prayers with her signature was re-bound and the binder CUT OFF half her signature.....unreal!
@jacqueline8559
@jacqueline8559 5 ай бұрын
I've visited Knaresborough Castle several times. Inside is a Clothes chest, a book, necklace and one of Anne Boleyns crucifixes. Beautiful to see....
@GaisSacredCreations
@GaisSacredCreations 4 ай бұрын
500 years is pretty recent for surviving letters throughout the world's civilisations. Papyri found and excavated in 2013, named the Diary of Merer (also known as Papyrus Jarf) is the name for papyrus logbooks written over 4,500 years ago by Merer, a middle-ranking official with the title inspector. Buried in front of man-made caves that served to store boats at Wadi al-Jarf on the Red Sea coast. The Dead Sea scrolls are over 2000 years old, discovered in 1947-1956, written in Hebrew with some Aramaic written on parchment and some papyrus.
@manuellubian5709
@manuellubian5709 4 ай бұрын
@@jacqueline8559 Knaresborough Castle?? Never heard of it. Do you know the correct name / or do you know for sure you are referencing the right location?
@naomigrilla1083
@naomigrilla1083 4 ай бұрын
Yes how can that be possible! You’d think she’d have to at least wear gloves to handle any of those documents and books
@cdfdesantis699
@cdfdesantis699 Жыл бұрын
Anne succeeded in the end. Her daughter, Queen Elizabeth I, is remembered as one of the world's greatest monarchs. Anne is laughing still.
@teresabarbieri3894
@teresabarbieri3894 Жыл бұрын
She's probably crying now seeing how England has turned into a 3rd world, enjoy your islamic state😂😂😂
@farooqishaq644
@farooqishaq644 2 ай бұрын
Henry VIII got humiliated and Thomas Cromwell got executed due to another Queen named Anne Cleves. He had friction with Anne Boleyn and instigated her down fall. Henry male heir never survived. Anne Boley did the original Brexit 😂
@cdfdesantis699
@cdfdesantis699 2 ай бұрын
@@farooqishaq644 Well, things gotta start somewhere.
@mrsx7944
@mrsx7944 2 ай бұрын
​@cdfdesantis699 such a generic comment. EVERYONE says this. Yes. We know!!
@cdfdesantis699
@cdfdesantis699 2 ай бұрын
@@mrsx7944 Truth is USUALLY simply generic.
@dion789
@dion789 9 ай бұрын
Dr. Suzannah Lipscomb is such a brilliant history presenter.
@annamarielorenzo2730
@annamarielorenzo2730 Жыл бұрын
little did they know the gender of a baby is determined by the male. this was a wonderfully done documentary. 💞
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 9 ай бұрын
That's another delicious irony--it was his fault that Elizabeth was born female, not that of Anne.
@suziemartin3587
@suziemartin3587 8 ай бұрын
If only it was known men determin the sex of the child. He could only blame himself........
@redrum6316
@redrum6316 8 ай бұрын
Too bad the trannies didn't exist back then. Then a girl could have identified as a male lol
@alynsak
@alynsak 8 ай бұрын
It was pretty unfortunate to be a woman back then.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
@@alynsak Even more unfortunate now. Men are checking out of education, the workforce, and marriage at an alarming rate. This means more women will need to be able to financially support themselves until retirement. That's 40 years of putting in the corporate daily grind. Is it any wonder why the rates of alcoholism, depression, and suicide are sky rocketing for single women over age 30?
@sinceslicedbread7422
@sinceslicedbread7422 6 ай бұрын
Anne got the last laugh though; her child ended Henry's Tudor line.
@mrsx7944
@mrsx7944 2 ай бұрын
We know
@Dominick-72
@Dominick-72 2 ай бұрын
The royal line.
@kingtabernacle8255
@kingtabernacle8255 Ай бұрын
Her head was chopped off
@bigreputxtion5500
@bigreputxtion5500 Ай бұрын
​@@kingtabernacle8255so was the Tudors
@direfranchement
@direfranchement Ай бұрын
No she didn’t get any “last laugh”. To laugh, you need a head, and hers was removed by a sword in 1536.
@missapeeps3771
@missapeeps3771 Жыл бұрын
Henry knew she was innocent. Just look at the difference in how he acted with Anne with Anne's execution and treatment vs. Catherine Howard. Anne was put into the queens chambers in the tower of London before her execution and treated like a queen up until she died, and was executed by a master swordsman who wouldn't botch the execution, While Catherine was immediately striped of her title and thrown into a commenors cell, with no trial, executed by commenors axe, and once buried covered in lye to destroy her body. Dr.Kats' video on all things Tudor is very enlightening and puts different perspectives on things. Her channel is called Reading the Past.
@Jo-pr7bg
@Jo-pr7bg 9 ай бұрын
You make some good points, however, she was given ladies to her attend her who spied on her for Cromwell, and even though Sir William Kingston treated her well, she was accused of incest and her marriage to the King was annulled before her death, which didn't quite fit with being found guilty of adultery. Conversely, Catherine's marriage to the Henry was never formally annulled despite the removal of regal right. Henry then quite coldly went immediately to Jane Seymour when the canon fire confirmed Anne's death and proposed, marrying her only 11 days later. Anne's remains were also chucked into an old arrow box without ceremony. Anne's trial was a sham and the verdict had more or less been decided before it even went ahead. She had no chance. Not exactly brilliant treatment.
@tatyanamelnikoff9578
@tatyanamelnikoff9578 8 ай бұрын
@@Jo-pr7bg if i were jane seymour, i wouldn't be so quick to accept the proposal of a two-faced schmuck that just cut his wife's head off.
@486loulou
@486loulou 7 ай бұрын
Sounds familiar, nothing new under the sun.
@24get24give
@24get24give 3 ай бұрын
thanks, I'll look that up
@davidgray1699
@davidgray1699 26 күн бұрын
N)
@margo3367
@margo3367 Жыл бұрын
They made promises they couldn’t keep. She, promising to give him a son and heir; and he, promising to love her forever.
@oceanelf2512
@oceanelf2512 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. And if he supposedly paid a high price to marry her, she paid a much higher price by marrying him.
@sandychilds3253
@sandychilds3253 Жыл бұрын
All this drama could have been avoided if Henry understood that the woman who bears a child has nothing to do with the sex of that child. Every egg has an X chromosome, but every sperm has an X or a Y. If the egg is fertilized by sperm with an X chromosome, the baby will be (XX) female. If fertilized with a Y, the offspring will be (XY) male. Obviously I'm not implying that Henry SHOULD have known, because no one knew at the time. Nevertheless, thousands of lives were tragically lost or ruined due to that lack of knowledge.
@hesterwright3674
@hesterwright3674 Жыл бұрын
If he'd just given her a minute there probably would have been a boy born
@idiotsandwich4912
@idiotsandwich4912 Жыл бұрын
@@sandychilds3253 if only I could go back in time and tell him that to his face
@sandychilds3253
@sandychilds3253 Жыл бұрын
@@idiotsandwich4912 Noooooo! He'd chop your head off, too!
@alynsak
@alynsak 8 ай бұрын
Either way, Henry and Anne were pretty selfish. Anne didn’t deserve her fate, but she didn’t exactly care when she watched Henry harass, divorce and treats Katherine like garbage. She also knew he got rid of his daughter. So she should have known he wasn’t going to be better to her no matter how much love bombing he did. Yet back then, you either accepted s favorable position of even for a time or you had to attempt survive in your own. So no matter what, she was groomed to be at the mercy of court life and men who would always hold the power. All of the skill and learning that her family gave her couldn’t have saved her from a jealous and hateful Henry.
@merricat3025
@merricat3025 7 ай бұрын
I am not afan of Anne. She treated Catherine and Mary terribly. Like you stated, selfish..
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
Its politics babe. Also, men holding power didn't mean women couldn't exert power. History has plenty of examples of women exerting influence and gaining power behind the scenes. When you think about it, Anne Boleyn was the reason why England broke away from the Papacy. This caused a major political shift at the time. A woman caused this...
@Annelie_perhonen5
@Annelie_perhonen5 5 ай бұрын
​​@@Chad_MaxWhy do you call a complete stranger babe like that? Isn't that quite presumptious of you...? It's like you're assuming they want you to be overly familiar with them, when you use pet names like that without any reason at all.
@Annelie_perhonen5
@Annelie_perhonen5 5 ай бұрын
​@@Chad_MaxExerting influence when someone else actually has the last say in everything is not the same as actually having or gaining any power, that is what using influence behind the scenes actually means... Just that someone else has the last say and power, and if you're lucky you can try to slightly influence them... How stupid you must think women are to say that "It's politics babe"😒
@sheilabloom6735
@sheilabloom6735 5 ай бұрын
No one is saying Anne was a saint but to commit adultery would cause doubt about any child she had with the king. No dummy she. She get get Cardinal Wolsey off to die except he died first.
@ashleystroebel1018
@ashleystroebel1018 5 ай бұрын
The lady who played the part of Anne Boleyn did a brilliant job. Her likeness to what are thought to be Anne's portraits is uncanny. She embodies what I thought Anne would look like. Dr Suzy is an excellent narrator and historian. This is definitely the best "rendition" of this tragic tale. Henry the VIII was definitely a horrible man before the head trauma, due to the savagery shown to those poor monks and his wife of 20 years, Catherine of Aragon. Anne should have known that she could not trust Henry after what became of his loyal wife.
@martincollins2920
@martincollins2920 5 ай бұрын
i agree, a wonderfully attractive portrayal
@robbiet8583
@robbiet8583 4 ай бұрын
I’m sure Anne felt the danger, but she was used by her family, as was the way of the times, I guess. They were looking for all the status and the bonus was they were Protestants.
@tracyhodgkins7516
@tracyhodgkins7516 3 ай бұрын
@@robbiet8583Anne wasn’t used by anyone. She knew exactly what she was doing in involving herself with Henry and she knew how to deal with him. Anne was an intelligent woman, not a mouse who needed to be told what to do. Her mistakes were thinking she could behave the same as a wife as she did as a mistress, which Henry wouldn’t tolerate, meddling in affairs that Henry thought were not hers to meddle in, and not giving him a son. If Anne had provided Henry with a son she might have been safe, but she didn’t and that and the other issues is why it all went wrong.
@karimahbouaichaoui7769
@karimahbouaichaoui7769 2 ай бұрын
Anne wasn't used by the King she was used by her father and her family and besides that still doesn't give another human being the right to murder another especially his wife as if she was a cow in an abattoir yes she was intelligent enough to handle the King but in those days you didn't say no to your family and the worst of it it was her own uncle who was inquisitor at the trial and after he was so keen on Ann on the throne how bad is that.
@abbyrock5684
@abbyrock5684 Жыл бұрын
The most amazing bit of history I read about a year ago is that Anne lived only about 4 1/2 months longer than Queen Katherine of Aragon. Ironic that Anne was so happy to hear of Katherine's death and then she's beheaded just a few months later.
@katzolitamason6729
@katzolitamason6729 Жыл бұрын
Katharine of Aragon it is spelt at burial place- spelt with two a’s. 57.44 minutes onwards…
@abbyrock5684
@abbyrock5684 Жыл бұрын
@@katzolitamason6729 Was just going by what I had seen after reading biographies over the years. Guess authors should pay closer attention.
@suzannesinclair2165
@suzannesinclair2165 Жыл бұрын
Spelling was much more flexible in the 16th Century with people spelling their own names in different ways at different times.
@juanitarichards1074
@juanitarichards1074 Жыл бұрын
Before Anne was taken to the Tower she was called to come before some of the kings council where certain accusations were put to her - not all of them but some. She was not yet told she was accused of incest with her brother, nor the treason charges, but she was accused of adultery with Smeaton and Norris. She denied the charges. She was then taken to the Tower where more evidence against her was manufactured, some from Anne's own words about Weston.....innocent words which were misconstrued.....
@oceanelf2512
@oceanelf2512 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Henry was evil, and so was the monarchy system at that time.
@madamlt5758
@madamlt5758 8 ай бұрын
That’s why you never talk to the cops without your lawyer present. Words can easily be misconstrued.
@juanitarichards1074
@juanitarichards1074 8 ай бұрын
In the medieval days the accused were not allowed lawyers to advise and represent them........one famous prisoner in Henry Vllls time said "I am brought to fight without a weapon". @@madamlt5758
@sharynkoren2054
@sharynkoren2054 7 ай бұрын
Too bad you cant send Megan Markle to the tower.
@katelilyx6323
@katelilyx6323 11 ай бұрын
It seems to me he was a classic narcissist, love bombing in the beginning, then smear campaign and discard phase
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
Henry was the archetypical "bad boy." He had power, money, and in his younger years was athletic and handsome. Women were all over him. The women who call these guys "narcissists" are the ones who couldn't get the guy to commit to them....
@illuminatedbestchoice1042
@illuminatedbestchoice1042 7 ай бұрын
Like all narcissists, the king was in it just for himself. Those people are emotionless.
@ardenalexa94
@ardenalexa94 6 ай бұрын
I see your point of view. He could’ve been a narcissist. He also could’ve had a different mental illness that made him have the issues he did. I’m sure his brain injury didn’t help things.
@mandymckeown8625
@mandymckeown8625 4 ай бұрын
Most definitely a narcissist didn’t seem to have any empathy treats women like objects and playthings bored easily went through the love bombing devalue and discard . Horrible vile man
@illenejoseph7958
@illenejoseph7958 2 ай бұрын
​@@Chad_Maxno the narcissist we refer to are those who put their desires first over others without the consideration nor empathy for others,blames others, potential for murder, etc. Just a person with lot of red flags....
@andyroo9381
@andyroo9381 Жыл бұрын
In this day and age, everyone was "God-fearing". Yet, they carried out such brutal and violent executions without any hard evidence.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
You can rationalize anything you want based on verses from the Bible. Its really not that hard to do....
@illuminatedbestchoice1042
@illuminatedbestchoice1042 7 ай бұрын
Can you imagine? Heartless criminals God-fearing people.
@jernmegmom
@jernmegmom 7 ай бұрын
I think because so many people were already desensitized to death. Death was a fact of life for most people, early and often. It probably softened the brutality of it. Death itself was not enough to be a punishment big enough to deter major crime, IMO
@_acb
@_acb Жыл бұрын
She didn’t even have a real chance to give him a son 🤷🏼‍♀️ Sounds like he got a head injury, then someone took advantage of his vulnerability. He was so patient with Catherine, it doesn’t make sense for him to discard Anne so quickly. 2 pregnancy’s in 3? Years? Catherine had 20 yrs with multiple pregnancies. 😒
@magical_universe793
@magical_universe793 Жыл бұрын
ur crazy if u think had he spared her she would give him anymore children considering she was 36 and had 2 or 3 misscarriages before. henry took practically his last chance to have a son with jane
@sarahholland2600
@sarahholland2600 11 ай бұрын
Anne was already 'old', in child bearing terms , for the time. And he'd already been seeing Jane Seymour for a while when Anne was accused of adultery.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
This was before IVF and life expectancy was 40 years. So the window for women to have kids was very narrow. Plus, the rates at which women died during childbirth were astronomical b/c of the hygiene issues and lack of modern medicine at the time....
@maya8627
@maya8627 5 ай бұрын
Late to the discussion. Henry was kinder to Katherine(didn't kill her directly) because her nephew was the most powerful ruler in Europe at the time.Karl V
@terryhuffaker3615
@terryhuffaker3615 3 ай бұрын
Exactly..Catherine was of a royal family. To have her killed rather than put away would cause an internationally incident.
@joannewright4572
@joannewright4572 Жыл бұрын
I believe the king was part of the crew who helped to plan her demise and come up with the false charges. Seems when he tires of a woman he tosses them like salad. He paid himself in the end for every evil deed he had done to those women.
@andrewcard6664
@andrewcard6664 9 ай бұрын
I can't quite comprehend having even my exes murdered, let alone my own girlfriend who I'm currently with. Imagine murdering your own wife for no reason other than suspected cheating. It seems so far removed from real love.
@chibuzorokonkwo7039
@chibuzorokonkwo7039 7 ай бұрын
If men had leave to do it, they would murder their wives. Henry did it cos he could. I’m not saying men are bad, I’m only saying that humans show savagery when given the opportunity.
@ardenalexa94
@ardenalexa94 6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately at that time, it wouldn’t have been unheard of. And sadly in some countries even today I believe, there are places you can be stoned to death for cheating.
@sheilabloom6735
@sheilabloom6735 5 ай бұрын
It wasn't the cheating but she failed to give him a son. She didn't cheat. No son doomed her.
@arabellamileham9978
@arabellamileham9978 2 ай бұрын
I imagine that will come as a relief to them!!!
@zanzah_
@zanzah_ 10 күн бұрын
What till you find out what the Ottomans did 😂😂😂😂
@bellabubb1384
@bellabubb1384 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how this man who had a bunch of mistresses and even acknowledged the child he had by one is all up in arms over his wives supposed adultery
@toddjohnson271
@toddjohnson271 11 ай бұрын
I would guess it was very much like today. Powerful men and beautiful women are many times promiscuous and adulterous.
@lorraine.bernardettehoole7743
@lorraine.bernardettehoole7743 7 ай бұрын
Double standards not unusual
@jernmegmom
@jernmegmom 7 ай бұрын
It was treason b/c if the wife became pregnant, it could possibly make another man’s child the heir to the throne. This is a completely rational concern for a monarch intent on creating a dynasty.
@astroterf.
@astroterf. 7 ай бұрын
​@@toddjohnson271it's nothing to do with double standard; there were sound biological reasons why wives were not permitted to sleep around, can you guess what it is yet? As my Dad always used to say "it's alright for you women: you ALWAYS know your child is yours" Why would a powerful man (any man, for that matter) want to risk another man's child into his family?
@toddjohnson271
@toddjohnson271 7 ай бұрын
@@astroterf. Ok?
@nekeshahall7744
@nekeshahall7744 11 ай бұрын
Over 500 years later and we’re still talking about king Henry and Anne. Their story is no different than many of our stories today. It was lust that died out and ended horribly.
@SMRT79
@SMRT79 9 ай бұрын
Henry created an entire new religion and Bible to marry Anne and then he had her executed a few years after marrying her…NOT like any of our stories today, lol!
@KiaMariaMarkkanen
@KiaMariaMarkkanen 7 ай бұрын
King Henry VIII and Queen Anne Boleyn. They changed history. Their love changed history. They still teach us how a thing, so pure and beautiful, love, can be so poisonous and sharp. How a Thorn of a rose can sting, so viciously?How long shall the horns play their wedding Walz?
@jernmegmom
@jernmegmom 7 ай бұрын
Are you kidding? They changed the entire trajectory of the country’s religion and delivered Q Elizabeth I, who was one of the greatest monarchs of English history. She restored the country’s economy, was a patron of the arts and sciences, and was a leader in the burgeoning colonization of the new world. This is not just a love story, it’s a watershed moment of the entire world’s history.
@sheilabloom6735
@sheilabloom6735 5 ай бұрын
But Henry is reviled today while Anne is being thought of as a victim of Henry's cruelty.
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 9 ай бұрын
I love that Henry wanted a male heir, yet the heir given him by Jane Seymour died at 15 and that Elizabeth was the heir which fulfilled all the promise that Edward was unable to.
@petaandrews6424
@petaandrews6424 7 ай бұрын
He had a son with Elisabeth Blount who he acknowledged and was setting up to be king but he died.
@adolfknievel
@adolfknievel 6 ай бұрын
Not really, Elizabeth died without an heir, so she was a complete failure, from the most important perspective.
@majatadic549
@majatadic549 5 ай бұрын
​@@adolfknievelAre you really saying that Elizabeth I was a failure? The woman who ruled England like no male king did and made it the most powerful country in the world. Are you serious?
@sheilabloom6735
@sheilabloom6735 5 ай бұрын
That good old karma.
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 5 ай бұрын
@@sheilabloom6735 Yep!
@brendagayden802
@brendagayden802 Жыл бұрын
These people were barbaric! They killed an innocent woman and several men that she supposedly slept with, without an ounce of evidence. This is tragic!
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 10 ай бұрын
Sadly, that was commonplace
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
That's how it works. This wasn't a democracy, what do you think is going on in north korea right now? Same thing that happened in the Tudor court...
@-PrettyPrincess-
@-PrettyPrincess- 5 ай бұрын
King wanting something to happen is evidence enough 🤷🏼‍♀️
@Janellabelle
@Janellabelle 3 ай бұрын
I'm still caught up on the description of the murder of those 10 catholic priests or monks! 10 men of god. Ripping their limbs off and their organs out and crushing their hearts and entrails onto their faces while they were still alive?! Watching eachother get torn apart alive?! Good lord. He lost his whole mind. That is not crazy or mean or a dictator... that's sheer EVIL. That's something Saddam Hussein would do or Pol Pot...a psychopath.
@juliancain3872
@juliancain3872 6 күн бұрын
​@@Chad_Max Still, Henry annulled their marriage and then executed her on charges of treason by way of adultery. Annulled means they were never married, so how then could she have committed adultery? I understand this isn't precisely a democracy, but that is an undeniable truth.
@Pureimagination200
@Pureimagination200 5 ай бұрын
I went to Hampton Court a few weeks ago when I was in London. I got chills walking around.
@izm8991
@izm8991 Жыл бұрын
How nice to have letters written like that nowadays. Too bad we’ve moved past those things.
@idiotsandwich4912
@idiotsandwich4912 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad we also moved past cutting heads off over things no one can control
@izm8991
@izm8991 Жыл бұрын
@@idiotsandwich4912 😂
@k_j_n1242
@k_j_n1242 10 ай бұрын
The world does not stand still. Progress is a natural part of evolution (thank gooofness). What an awful time to be alive, I'm glad we've moved past many things.
@astroterf.
@astroterf. 7 ай бұрын
Isn't it just? What will they have in a hundred years? If they survive, phones with messages that say 'I LUV U' 😂
@jelliforever8580
@jelliforever8580 6 ай бұрын
he wrote her all those love letters and still murdered her 💀
@Angie-GoneSoon
@Angie-GoneSoon 9 ай бұрын
How similar are Diana and Charles to Anne and Henry. With either man, there is/was no love in their hearts for anyone other than themselves.
@petaandrews6424
@petaandrews6424 7 ай бұрын
And when the mother of your children annoys you, just get someone to kill them for you. All smoke and mirrors for the truth to it all.
@user-ym3xf6xp4c
@user-ym3xf6xp4c 2 ай бұрын
If you see Charles being interviewed with diana when Harry was a toddler you see there was love between them. Love doesn't always survive stressful events.
@TaharkahX
@TaharkahX Жыл бұрын
Your passion for this subject makes what is already a solid and interesting documentary particularly thrilling! Thanks for your hard work.
@elzbieta_k
@elzbieta_k 4 ай бұрын
As a narcissist/sociopath, Henry VIII was not capable of feeling empathy and love for anyone, not even his children.
@lemonade_liz
@lemonade_liz 10 ай бұрын
I don't get the sense that Henry VIII truly loved Anne Boleyn. It seems more likely that he was infatuated with the promise of a male heir that she represented, and the bubble of that fantasy burst the moment she gave birth to a daughter. Interestingly, Anne only seemed safe as long as she either had a son or as long as Katherine of Aragon was alive. When she lost both of these "protectors" within weeks of each other in early 1536, her fall came quickly.
@amyp937
@amyp937 4 ай бұрын
I don’t get why Katherine of the Aagon was her protector?
@amatulfulani6390
@amatulfulani6390 4 ай бұрын
@@amyp937 Someone commented that, as long as Katherine was there/alive and it didn’t work out between Anne and Henry, he would feel pressured to go back to her. He didn’t want to. Once Katherine was dead and Anne didn’t give him what he wanted, it was easier for him to get rid of her and go after Jane Seymour.
@p5rsona
@p5rsona 11 ай бұрын
absolutely love the production, acting here, so top notch. life can be such a crazy ride! also, I randomly watched this on may 19, day of her execution
@dianneatfeld687
@dianneatfeld687 7 ай бұрын
The fact he allowed Anne a sword for her execution shows to m that he thought her innocent. I don’t think he’d ever have shown that act of mercy if he thought she’d been repeatedly unfaithful
@petaandrews6424
@petaandrews6424 7 ай бұрын
She requested it
@kathleenem9207
@kathleenem9207 5 ай бұрын
He knew she was innocent . The sword was a privilege due her because she was a queen. It would have reflected badly on Henry if he had not agreed. Strange etiquette. You can behead your queen but only with a sword.
@amatulfulani6390
@amatulfulani6390 4 ай бұрын
@@kathleenem9207 But Catherine Howard was killed with an axe.
@jacquelinebell6201
@jacquelinebell6201 4 ай бұрын
​@@kathleenem9207Yet he didn't give Catherine Howard the same dignity. She was a young naive girl while Anne was an experienced woman of the world. His ego got in the way.
@Extraextraextra
@Extraextraextra Жыл бұрын
Very well done documentary! I really love it when Dr. Lipscomb is the presenter, and it would great if she had her own playlist!!!
@ivillasenor2829
@ivillasenor2829 9 ай бұрын
Same! Her voice is intriguing and yet not over dramatic. Perfect balance
@michaeljohndennis2231
@michaeljohndennis2231 7 ай бұрын
The historians must have realised that when Henry was much younger, even before he met Anne, that he was a very handsome young man and a total hottie - from what I’ve seen, the present day Prince Harry is so much like him and he too is a total hottie that I’d happily date in a heartbeat 😍😍😍
@amandablack7400
@amandablack7400 7 ай бұрын
Harry a hottie??? 😮 You must take a closer look...
@denisecraig3548
@denisecraig3548 3 ай бұрын
What is so so sad is the fact that she was condemned from the beginning and unable to clear herself no matter what she did. If she couldn’t speak to the King, there was no hope of touching his heart with the truth, because I don’t believe she was stupid enough to commit adultery against the king while living in the castle.
@farooqishaq644
@farooqishaq644 2 ай бұрын
She called Henry impotent and unable to satisfy a woman. She didn't wanted advances from Henry and put out impossible conditions which surprisingly Henry full filled..
@valkyriesardo278
@valkyriesardo278 2 ай бұрын
Stupid had nothing to do with it. Adultery would be her last hope of giving Henry a son. It would be high risk but the only thing that could save her if she could keep it secret. Henry would not have divorced Catherine if she had given him a son. She was a good queen, trained for it since birth as Princess of Spain. That divorce was not about sex because Henry had mistresses throughout his reign. I think the only real reason Henry convinced himself he was crazy in love with Boleyn was to soothe his conscience about dumping his good wife. I think people of today put too much importance on Henry's love life and dismiss how crucial it was to him and to his kingdom that he secure the line of succession. It was his primary responsibility as king.
@sophielunde4948
@sophielunde4948 Жыл бұрын
Anne played with the fire. I feel sorry for Catherine of Aragon for being mocked by king Henry VIII and Anne. Anne seems like a bully the way she’s portrayed in some documentaries. The way Anne died was awful. No doubt the Tudor era was a very terrifying time to live.
@moi8998
@moi8998 9 ай бұрын
Anne didn’t want to marry Henry in the first place she literally left court to avoid him.
@antionebellegarde5803
@antionebellegarde5803 7 ай бұрын
Exactly@@moi8998
@stephjones7104
@stephjones7104 7 ай бұрын
And so goes that old saying if he will cheat with you he will always cheat on you ...
@Lara_1703
@Lara_1703 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very informative! I feel very bad for Catherina from Aragon! 🙏 I really liked the host! She spoke so passionately 🙏🙌🏼
@katzolitamason6729
@katzolitamason6729 Жыл бұрын
Katharine of Aragon- 57.44 onwards
@maidinulster
@maidinulster Жыл бұрын
Brilliant documentary. Every bit of it was translated with empathy and passion making is enthralling to the end
@FayazAhmad-yl6sp
@FayazAhmad-yl6sp Жыл бұрын
It is surprising that this book has been preserved for 500 years. In such a long time even iron decays. It is paper it may have been made by hand because the industries were not so developed at that time.
@sophielunde4948
@sophielunde4948 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the book is full of toxic ink🤔
@myworms
@myworms 7 ай бұрын
It’s probably made from vellum, a paper created from animal skins.
@marymcsherry1965
@marymcsherry1965 3 ай бұрын
I've seen books from the 9th Century, written and illustrated by monks, in a Francuscan.monastery. They were in great condition and beautiful
@annetteolson2428
@annetteolson2428 5 ай бұрын
The man that plays Henry VIII looks very like the early portraits of him. Very handsome! It makes the whole story more believable.
@marciatargato8093
@marciatargato8093 Жыл бұрын
I don't think King Henry the 8th loved any of his wife's he just wanted to use them
@hughdncy
@hughdncy 7 ай бұрын
He saw options, not women.
@Sonic-dogmagic
@Sonic-dogmagic Жыл бұрын
Henry VIII, a disgusting murderer that got away with it because he was king. Sad.
@mandymckeown8625
@mandymckeown8625 4 ай бұрын
Yes give a narcissist enough power and that is what you get . Henry sounds likes a monster
@arianah8842
@arianah8842 5 ай бұрын
When i was younger i used to pity Anne and was angry at Catherine of Aragon for not just moving aside. However now, after lots of books and research, i find Catherine of Aragon that most pitiable. She and her daughter were never allowed to see each other again, she was humiliated and despite having powerful allies in terms of family and supporters, no one came to her aid. She did so much for people and yet when help was needed she was abandoned. I cant help to think there was some karma with Anne's journey at court.
@user-ym3xf6xp4c
@user-ym3xf6xp4c 2 ай бұрын
Do you think the Spanish.. with Catherine's help somehow undermined Henry's authority. With courtiers from Spain.
@MrsPatPape
@MrsPatPape 10 ай бұрын
Can't believe they pick up that 500 yr old book with their bare hands!!!!
@darlajones1326
@darlajones1326 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! They should be wearing gloves. Can't believe they were allowed to do this.
@SapphireAthena1
@SapphireAthena1 2 ай бұрын
​@@darlajones1326it's actually better for book preservation! During my master's in manuscript studies I handled even older books, and the best way is with bare hands. It seems counterintuitive, but silicon in gloves or even fibers in cloth gloves leave residues on old manuscripts. Most of these precious books were still made with vellum or parchment from animal skins, which actually responds better to the warmth and oil in our fingers!
@darlajones1326
@darlajones1326 2 ай бұрын
Wow. Interesting. Thank you for telling me. @@SapphireAthena1
@4631622876
@4631622876 Ай бұрын
Why pages look so white? Like new?
@gitimakouee5937
@gitimakouee5937 Ай бұрын
Check the pictures closeup, I find very iranienn😂 it’s stolen Old poery😢it’s belong to Iran They want to alway😢😂 makes us savage
@meighenhelmick3697
@meighenhelmick3697 Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Anne. Poor lady.
@benedictcowell6547
@benedictcowell6547 Жыл бұрын
I detest the Tudors, and Anne was the only redeeming feature of Henry's despicable life. I have never understood why this contemptible man is an 'iconic king' I wonder why Webster chose to write a play about Thomas Wyatt
@thanhhuongnguyen4648
@thanhhuongnguyen4648 Жыл бұрын
Anne Boleyn đã cướp chồng của Catherine of Aragon . Cái chết của Anne buồn như cái chết của Catherine vậy . Catherine of Aragon và Anne Boleyn đều là những nữ hoàng xuất sắc của nước Anh , trên cương vị của họ . Cả hai người đều làm việc chăm chỉ và đem lại thịnh vượng cho nước Anh , sinh con gái làm nữ hoàng , nỗ lực mang thai con trai trong tuyệt vọng , bị vu oan tại tòa án , bị mất đi ngôi hoàng hậu .
@paytongraves9245
@paytongraves9245 Жыл бұрын
Would love a playlist of this presenter and her videos. Really great video
@tianna1116
@tianna1116 Жыл бұрын
She has a podcast I listen to, called Not Just the Tudors. It’s good, audio only though. They cover other medieval stuff but a ton of Tudor topics as well
@wmsmith7346
@wmsmith7346 Жыл бұрын
If anyone hasn't seen "The Tudors", it's about all this and it's amazing. Must watch!
@glen7318
@glen7318 11 ай бұрын
its amazing rubbsh
@Out_on_a_Limb_Life
@Out_on_a_Limb_Life 6 ай бұрын
It's very entertaining but historically very inaccurate
@hughdncy
@hughdncy 7 ай бұрын
I feel a lot of hatred and fear towards this man. And I feel so sorry for Katherine and Anne. He felt humiliated just by rumours...but it was him who committed real crimes to humiliate his wives. They rest in power, he rests in embarrasment.
@24get24give
@24get24give 3 ай бұрын
I don't feel hatred towards him, just what he did, and I don't feel fear, just disgust
@kimberlypatton205
@kimberlypatton205 5 ай бұрын
Such a well done and excellently presented documentary! One of my favorites I have watched many times! Dr. Lipscomb is wonderful !
@thissweetlife7250
@thissweetlife7250 5 ай бұрын
No matter how many times I watch this master- peice, it never could get old. History inadvertently makes me sad. It's quite bittersweet that what once was so majestic shall never again be.
@daylehudson6810
@daylehudson6810 2 ай бұрын
I think this was a terrible time😢
@dominaevillae28
@dominaevillae28 5 ай бұрын
Henry didn’t marry his brother’s wife, but his widow. In the Hebrew Bible, a form of levirate marriage, called yibbum, is mentioned in Deuteronomy 25:5-10, under which the brother of a man who dies without children is permitted and encouraged to marry the widow.
@szim5551
@szim5551 4 ай бұрын
Exactly, you’re the only person it seems who’s mentioned this.
@SarahlabyrinthLHC
@SarahlabyrinthLHC 3 ай бұрын
Probably not many people know of it.@@szim5551
@jennifersandahl4603
@jennifersandahl4603 5 ай бұрын
This was a fantastic documentary and presentation! That book-wow. Beautiful.
@ritialydia
@ritialydia 7 ай бұрын
Tudor life was vicious. I would have been done for in a day. Poor Anne, a victim of her time. I admire her.
@evato8746
@evato8746 Жыл бұрын
Sad stories.May God have mercy on their poor souls.🙏
@anitameza3960
@anitameza3960 Жыл бұрын
This makes it seem as though Henry was a good man. Not for killing so many wives and all his affairs.
@hannahl.7202
@hannahl.7202 2 ай бұрын
One of the most well done documentary . Thank you !
@IndigoBellyDance
@IndigoBellyDance Жыл бұрын
Always been fascinated w/Anne. Such a rise and such a fall.
@Amanda3280h
@Amanda3280h Жыл бұрын
I sometimes wonder if the stories about her being entitled and sometimes mean are true?
@glen7318
@glen7318 11 ай бұрын
@@Amanda3280h yes they are
@IndigoBellyDance
@IndigoBellyDance 2 ай бұрын
@@Amanda3280h good question. History is written by the victors And she was hated by many English who wrote many stories about her.
@IndigoBellyDance
@IndigoBellyDance Ай бұрын
@@glen7318 how do we know? History is written by the victors And she was not liked by many.
@peachygal4153
@peachygal4153 9 ай бұрын
That scripture in Levits is talking about adultery with the brother's wife. Later on, the Hebrew law discusses brother-in-law marriage for the brother who died childless. The next son ( or nearest male relative, example Ruth and Boaz in the book of Ruth) was to marry his brother's widow. See the key words wife and widow. Once a husband dies his wife is no longer his wife but his widow. Big difference. Henry VIII was very smart. He knew better. He was looking for a way to annul his marriage to 40 year old Katharine who had stopped getting pregnant to marry a younger woman to give him sons.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
And this, the Bible scripture, reflects paternity in the animal kingdom. Its biological. The first thing that a male lion does when he takes over a pride is seek out and kill all the cubs. This forces the adult females into heat and ensures that any descendants are his...
@wednesdayschild3627
@wednesdayschild3627 Жыл бұрын
I think the Holbien portrait of Anne is still somewhere.
@glorialange6446
@glorialange6446 5 ай бұрын
What a fine documentary. Iit has emotion, provided with evidence and well researched conclusions, and leaves aside the speculation. This is the finest telling of what is known of Henry and Anne. Thank you. To include the problems and violence that their relationship caused throughout the kingdom is quite well done of you.
@ninaedison3008
@ninaedison3008 4 ай бұрын
Excellent documentary. My wish is to one day visit those very castles.
@catherineangeles5544
@catherineangeles5544 Жыл бұрын
Although Queen Anne Boleyn died because of those scandalous gossips & hearsays made by her enemies, she still managed to fulfill her promise of giving England a successful monarch. Her daughter Elizabeth 1 became England's Greatest Queen of all time....Anne still got the last laugh🤣🤣🤣
@heyitssarah7545
@heyitssarah7545 Жыл бұрын
She never promised to give a successful monarch. She promised a male heir. She did not fulfill that.
@tatyanamelnikoff9578
@tatyanamelnikoff9578 8 ай бұрын
@@heyitssarah7545 yeah. but! producing a successful monarch is far more important than just squeezing out a male heir.
@heyitssarah7545
@heyitssarah7545 8 ай бұрын
@@tatyanamelnikoff9578 Well yeah, that’s obvious now. And I never argued otherwise. But they didn’t believe so back then. They believed the monarch had to be male unless all other options were exhausted. I am a trained historian, and we are taught to study history through the lens of those who lived it. We can’t hold people of the very distant past to modern standards of ethics, beliefs, etc. In modern Western society, yes, capability is far more important than gender. Gender is irrelevant in most societies today (note: most). But Anne Boleyn knew nobody cared about capability over gender in her society (it honestly wasn’t even a factor), so she did not promise that. All they cared about was whether or not she would birth a boy, so she promised a boy. A promise she never should have made, really, but she wanted to be Queen 🤷🏻‍♀️
@juliannajc9310
@juliannajc9310 5 ай бұрын
But when did she promise that? Are we basing that promise from the book of hours?
@AnneBoleynRome
@AnneBoleynRome Жыл бұрын
The woman presenting this is really great .
@marysepradet6162
@marysepradet6162 4 ай бұрын
BEAUTIFULL DOC THANKS !
@jasonfairbanks4714
@jasonfairbanks4714 3 ай бұрын
To the women hosting the show: I’m sure that if the King had seen you and your beautiful blue eyes, Anne Boleyn would have been lost to history! You are breathtakingly beautiful!
@sallyreno6296
@sallyreno6296 4 ай бұрын
If Henry actually believed Anne had betrayed him, we can add stupid to his list of repugnant traits.
@valkyriesardo278
@valkyriesardo278 2 ай бұрын
It could make no difference to him whether or not he believed it. The adultery conviction meant he could have her executed for treason. The sooner he could rid himself of Anne, the sooner he could wed Seymour who could maybe produce a male heir. He could not have executed Catherine of Aragon without bringing down the wrath of Spain and the Pope. Nobody cared about Anne so he need not waste time on divorce. She had made enemies at court. The people hated her as the "other woman home-wrecker". The Boleyn family cared more about remaining in Henry's good graces then they did about Anne.
@lisadunn882
@lisadunn882 7 ай бұрын
Anne’s family used her as a pawn and she wanted better for herself.
@_tardigrade
@_tardigrade 6 ай бұрын
One of my favourite documentaries ever.
@lc8963
@lc8963 Жыл бұрын
I think what we should keep in mind is that the Tudor people had a completely other mind set than in our time. Living at court and being ambitious means that it was normal to be ruthless and that you are always in danger to get in great trouble sometimes loosing all your possession and worst your life. Anne played a great gamble but in the end she lost. If it was love between them I'm not sure. Who waits so many years to come together when real passionate love is in the play. In the end they were allies against the rest of the world. But we will never know.
@sarahholland2600
@sarahholland2600 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. And it was common for aristocratic families at Court to pimp their daughters to the King as Mistresses, knowing that when it ended & after all the money & gifts & titles that went with it, there would still be a good marriage, often semi arranged by the King, to another wealthy aristocratic dynasty .
@user-yd9xf1wj1e
@user-yd9xf1wj1e 5 ай бұрын
They might have waited so long to come together because of Anne’s faith/ piety. Please don’t forget that factor
@AnaBowlova
@AnaBowlova Жыл бұрын
Ou-la-la! Quite a doc. Love it! Thanks for sharing.🇬🇧💋🙏💞
@celissewillis9399
@celissewillis9399 Жыл бұрын
I did not know that Anne had the sweating sickness, but I know Katherine of Aragon got it in her early years when she & Arthur were married & only Katherine survived. I'm wondering now if that affected pregnancy, or the ability to carry healthy babies, much less deliver them, because both Anne & Katherine were only able to have a girl & others were stillborn or miscarried. So considering the fact that the sweating sickness was also known to kill, it seems like the ones who survived, specifically the women, must have had their pregnancy abilities severely jeopardized.
@CatGUnit
@CatGUnit Жыл бұрын
it's not abnormal to have female children and isn't some post-illness punishment...this sentiment needed to have died in the 1500's where it belongs
@celissewillis9399
@celissewillis9399 Жыл бұрын
@@CatGUnit I have no idea what you're talking about with this comment, LOL!!
@ZVG814
@ZVG814 Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. Could be possible that it had an effect on pregnancy or fetus development. I studied Anne Boleyn from my childhood and I believe Henry and Anne had different Rhesus Factors, so the first baby is possible but the rest are self abortions of the body or stillborn baby's.
@msatxgault560
@msatxgault560 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who was somebody had it, lol. The riches 😅
@celissewillis9399
@celissewillis9399 Жыл бұрын
@@ZVG814 ah, that makes sense, yes! I noticed with both women & considering health care was what it was back then, there wasn't medical help, from the standpoint of recovery... if you got it as a woman, you were basically screwed when it came to more children & that ended up being the case for BOTH Katherine & Anne. I believe Anne would've carried the boy full term, if it wasn't for the stressors going on between her & Henry at the time. Pregnancies were even more sensitive then, than they are today; bed rest was almost a default, if you got one little cold.
@robbiet8583
@robbiet8583 8 ай бұрын
This was a wonderful video.
@robertmorici8605
@robertmorici8605 9 ай бұрын
Henry could not have loved Anne, because if he truly loved her he wouldn't have beheaded her especially without confirming with her whether or not the rumors were true.
@tatyanamelnikoff9578
@tatyanamelnikoff9578 8 ай бұрын
he couldn't face her. he couldn't face her brother either. twit.
@kellykane7586
@kellykane7586 Жыл бұрын
I don't like that lots of history shows call it Divorce, when it's an Annulment that he was seeking. It's 2 very different things with 2 different implications.
@spamtownhamilton6200
@spamtownhamilton6200 Жыл бұрын
For any curious that happen to be reading: "a marriage that never was" vs "a marriage that is no more" - the former describes annulment and the latter divorce. In the Catholic church, an annulment must be obtained in order to marry again with the blessing of The Church. So if Henry only got a divorce from Katharine, his marriage to Anne would never have been recognized by The Church. There wouldn't have been any point to a Catholic Henry seeking only a divorce so that is why the distinction is of any significance.
@susanarojo3906
@susanarojo3906 11 ай бұрын
Yes, but an annulment would make her daughter Mary a bastard.
@hollyh314
@hollyh314 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely an amazing documentary!! ❤❤ I looove anything about Henry the 8th and Anne Boleyn!!
@Dpurple28
@Dpurple28 5 ай бұрын
Same
@baffled8624
@baffled8624 2 ай бұрын
I love this, thank you!
@annasokol3209
@annasokol3209 3 ай бұрын
Great movie! Thank you.❤
@KarenLDay
@KarenLDay 3 ай бұрын
At her home, while looking through an old book, Where Are You Gloves! You can do damage to the book!
@LouLikestowatch
@LouLikestowatch Жыл бұрын
what really gets me with Henry is that he did have a couple of sons (maybe more?) It's just they weren't through marriage. It's insane he couldn't just take one of those when they were babies and just pass them off somehow as legitimate. Or even marry one of those women. Henry instigated the accusations against Anne. He needed a new wife and she was going to be in the way. He coudn't divorce another woman so it was an easy way out for him. I think Anne was a very devout women, and probably also very charismatic herself.
@glen7318
@glen7318 11 ай бұрын
what are you on about
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын
You need to look at this in the context of politics at the time. The lines of succession were paramount and it was significantly more beneficial to have a male heir b/c they would become King of their home country and have greater authority over any country they married into b/c they would be King of that country too. Its a big reason why Elizabeth was such a tease. She was driving foreign policy by dangling the carrot of marriage to her, and as a result "claiming" the country of England...
@louisegiles4285
@louisegiles4285 5 ай бұрын
I have photos of his bed from a manor they both stayed in at old Sodbury Wiltshire.. amazing house and history
@eringemini7091
@eringemini7091 Жыл бұрын
At least Catherine Of Aragon did not have false stories told about her & then beheaded. She may have been one of the "luckiest" wives of King Henry the 8th.
@claireconover
@claireconover Жыл бұрын
no, the lucky one was the one who outlived him. I believe, jane seymour.
@h0rriphic
@h0rriphic Жыл бұрын
@@claireconoverlol no Jane Seymour died from childbirth. Catherine Park was the queen that managed to outlive him. Anne of Cleves also got out alive. Apparently Henry found her unattractive so he divorced her. She took it well so he made things a lot easier for her than the other more “argumentative” wives.
@claireconover
@claireconover Жыл бұрын
@@h0rriphic not park, parr… and maybe. I forget who this guy married. he married so many.
@BTScriviner
@BTScriviner Жыл бұрын
Catherine of Aragon was called a liar by her husband -- that she had slept with Arthur, her first husband and Henry's brother.
@scz1770
@scz1770 Жыл бұрын
It goes: Katherine of Aragon - marriage annulled. Anne Boleyn - beheaded. Jane Seymour - died within two weeks of giving birth. Anna of Cleves - marriage annulled. Kathryn Howard - beheaded. Catherine Parr - outlived Henry VIII.
@thaleskroth
@thaleskroth Жыл бұрын
Henry and Anne: The Lovers Who Changed History (Suzannah Lipscomb, 2014) is a documentary and drama film. In a two-part presentation, the narration about the romance between Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. While England's King Henry VIII is in dire need of an heir to his throne, a second wife, Anne Boleyn, is seen as an opportunity as the transition of faith at the time shakes and alters modern history. Hugs.
@joannemadden7449
@joannemadden7449 Жыл бұрын
I'm very surprised that while looking through the 500 year old book that the Ladies are not wearing white gloves, protecting the book from hand oils
@gill8779
@gill8779 11 ай бұрын
Gloves are not as smooth or gentle as you might think. Cotton gloves are made of tangled fibres that can easily catch on small tears or rough areas in weak and degraded paper and leather. They also hold onto dust & grit making them abrasive & all these things mean gloves can damage the delicate & precious pages. I think the recommendation now is to wash hands & dry thoroughly & not use any hand cream.
@saltlifegull4091
@saltlifegull4091 4 ай бұрын
I love watching that remarkable intelligent beauty present. Awesome job Dr s. 3:55 and thanks so much!
@smithamy1982
@smithamy1982 3 ай бұрын
Everyone forgets that once Henry set his sights on you, your finished as a female. You can't turn him down, that's not an option. So Ann had only two options either become his mistress like her sister and be known as a great prostitute or run, as Ann did, from court. Everyone says she played hard to get but she wasn't playing, she was as hard to get as you could possibly be but he chased her down. So she said she couldn't give herself to him unless she was his queen, not expecting him to actually attempt to get rid of Katherine. By that point she must've fallen for him, who wouldn't? He was quite attractive at that point and had spent years chasing her, of course she fell for him. However, it was never her plan. She wanted to marry Henry Percy, that was her first love.
@ElectricSoul828
@ElectricSoul828 6 ай бұрын
I think its easy for people to label these historical figures as one dimensional, especially Henry VIII because of his heinous acts but its clear to me that things were much more nuance than that. I find this time in history very interesting.
@andrewcard6664
@andrewcard6664 9 ай бұрын
Why was it okay for kings to commit adultery but not for queen's to do the same? Did no one question this back then? If no, why?.
@user-uo6rw1oc1i
@user-uo6rw1oc1i 7 ай бұрын
Not fair of course..but expect the overriding reason is the King has to be certain that no-one doubts the legitimacy of his heirs
@annemariebanks-kn6tp
@annemariebanks-kn6tp Ай бұрын
It was a man’s world and the king had all the power.
@anngreen3495
@anngreen3495 Жыл бұрын
This is the second time I've watched this excellent documentary, a retelling of recorded facts. There is only one thing that irks me. Anne is always described by reliable sources (eg. Chapuys) as having very dark hair and dark eyes. The actress, in many scenes, does not.
@thee8797
@thee8797 5 ай бұрын
Well… she is an actress after all and not the real life Anne Boleyn herself
@stephaniecarlson6689
@stephaniecarlson6689 2 ай бұрын
Ohhhh wow, amazing, thank you. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ New South Wales Australia
@hauntinggoingonwithangelamylif
@hauntinggoingonwithangelamylif 4 ай бұрын
Interesting I had head injury it changes your personality and anger comes out. You loose everything. David Tennant did a drama of living with a head injury ❤❤❤ all the best thanks for the video Merry Christmas
@Nika-ug7zs
@Nika-ug7zs Жыл бұрын
Он казнил жену за то, что не мог дать сам. Пол ребёнка зависит исключительно от мужчины, а не от женщины. Страшно то, что даже в наш 21 век некоторые особи мужского пола не знают этого.
@ravenkamalioneplus
@ravenkamalioneplus 5 ай бұрын
I watched the series the Tudors and I found the court of Henry VIII one of the most dangerous places in the European world. Had I been living at that time in England, I would stay as far away as possible from Henry's court - lol. I would keep my head down and keep away from politics and religion at all costs. Lol.
@NorthernLights2375
@NorthernLights2375 6 ай бұрын
The greatest legacy that Anne ever gave to King Henry VIII was their daughter Elizabeth 1st Queen of England. She rose above all to become one of the greatest British Monarchs. A mere woman, whom Henry had little faith in, being able to rule. The irony !!!
@macdef
@macdef 4 ай бұрын
Mary Tudor was the first queen of England. Elizabeth succeeded her sister, who had to fight for the right to the throne. Without the strength of Mary Tudor, who destroyed the coup mounted by her brother Edward's regents, Elizabeth would not have come to reign.
@tianna1116
@tianna1116 Жыл бұрын
I just realized Dr. Lipscomb is the voice I’ve been hearing on the podcast I listen to! It’s called Not just the Tudors. Funny it took me so long to notice it’s the same woman! She’s very bright I like her
@PaisleySzuSzu
@PaisleySzuSzu Жыл бұрын
This documentary was amazing!
@sallymiracle4833
@sallymiracle4833 9 ай бұрын
Love pride an Prejudice. Love your channel.
@deryaphillips2755
@deryaphillips2755 Жыл бұрын
I'm so in love with Dr Suzannah !!!!
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