The Reason Why Chani is Different in Dune: Part Two

Why is Chani so different in the films compared to the books?
here is the reason why Chani is different in Dune: part two.
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[@issa4767]

I love how they gave her a love for her people and culture so deep that she rejects it being twisted and swept away for someone else's gain

[@BozmundOs]

In the book the bene gesserit have been implanting said culture for thousands of years. I hope they still drive home the horrors of idolizing leaders but the point was to show how horrifying religion can be in twisting a group of people. Chani's parent is the one who questions most their beliefs and is a more straightforward leader. Until they meet Paul and begin to believe.

[@MartialArtsTechniquesideas]

@@BozmundOsyes Kynes is supposed to be the doubter but it would be logical that his daughter think like him. Her being so passive in the books was a mistake imo, her screen counterpart fits better but there, she is not bonded to kynes.

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

I didn't like it. Book Chani was all of that, plus she was total BG material, able to understand politicking, subtlety, and maneuvering. Film Chani looks great at face value, but upon deeper thinking, reduces her character traits. She was also a mother and a wife in the book. Paul was a father and husband, a family man. Removing their child from the film makes things easier to digest, but ultimately changes them to be more simple people.

[@saschaflo4287]

i dont think they rich the timeline when paul and chani married and having child yet

[@boufns8]

I think it is silly, her people’s entire culture REVOLVES around Paul.

[@MirrorNothingFunny]

In the movie, Chani was pissed and left after Paul's fight with Feyd not because Paul announced that he was gonna marry Princess Irulan, but because she knows that Paul himself still does not fully trust the prophecy, yet intentionally uses it to enslave her people because to him and Jessica it was a way to go against the Bene Gesserit and avenge house Atreides. Him announcing that he will marry Princess Irulan was the confirmation Chani needed that Paul will never stop using her people, because it means that he will become the emperor and stand above them all.

[@Jonipoon]

Paul's character is not so black and white. Even though Paul does not fully trust the prophecy, he himself has been brainwashed and used by the Bene Gesserit to the point where his character blends into multiple personalities - he is an incredibly complex character, which makes it extremely difficult to know what's really going on inside his mind. Chani's character on the other hand is terrible in Part Two. She still very much wants her people to be liberated, just not by.. Paul? Sorry but she just comes off as a bratty rebellious teenager who doesn't know what the h*ll she wants. You might not agree but yes, in the end it really does make her look like she's refusing to bow to Paul simply because of jealousy. If not, you're seriously telling me that out of all the MILLIONS of Fremen who decide to follow Paul she is the ONLY one who sees it as problematic? No way.

[@annarepets]

​@@Jonipoonagree

[@Lily.Fern.1107]

​@@Jonipoon I don't agree. We needed opposition, not another doormat sychophant.

[@juletaurus]

​@@JonipoonSpoken from a male perspective and NOT ok. Do better.

[@soullucy4198]

@@Lily.Fern.1107so let's say a lot of people opposed Paul, just looking at dune 2, what would it have accomplished in the long run?.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

As a MASSIVE fan of the books, I actually really like what they did with her for the films.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

🫡

[@tgiacin435]

Idk I’m waiting to see how this affects messiah, and the birth of the twins. Also Chani was Muad’Dib’s rock, the person that helped him keep his head, and not become consumed by the religion he started. I have my ideas how they’re gonna do this, but I want to see Alia, Feyd’s daughter, Scytale, and Edric

[@inkpencil5409]

Same I was worried as chanis character actually aged pretty badly

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@ojneverdidit22 nobody reading all that

[@SARugby1]

I haven't read the books, but it definitely had the effect Villeneuve was going for. Having a character, particularly the protagonists love interest, be skeptical of the prophecy and the imperium makes the viewer doubt at the end of the movie whether Paul is actually the good guy. If that change wasn't made people would have definitely watched the movie and got the wrong idea about the message of the movie

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Agreed

[@gerardotejada2531]

The problem is that Chani/Zendaya trowed subtlety out the window. While the book was too subtle, the movie was too much in your face. Vileneuve was more interesting in transmiting the idea of the book, but at what cost? Well Herbert failed in that amd thats why we have Dune Messiah

[@tenebrousjones4897]

You think Paul’s the villain? Wait until his son makes humanity walk his Golden Path. A lesson they will feel in their bones.

[@angelicsailor1st]

⁠@@tenebrousjones4897I think the point is Paul failed in his original outlook he didn’t want to be what he became and yet he “fulfilled his destiny” at least in some respects in some interpretations he became a villain to be over thrown to teach the people not to believe in an absolute savior and to save themselves but then his Son came and well for anyone who has read the books ….😅

[@SARugby1]

@tenebrousjones4897 maybe I phased it a bit awkwardly. What I mean is that Paul isn't "the hero" in the traditional sense. It's more complicated than that. His actions are morally ambiguous, and changing Chani's character to be sceptical of the prophesy helped show that ambiguity. Paul is neither hero nor villain because that isn't the story that is being told

[@gedludek8245]

A talented artist who even does his background research. One of the best directors ever.

[@DropBear_42]

He loves the Dune series and stated over a decade ago that he hopes he can get the rights to Dune

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@rominahernandez5330]

Como guionista podrá apostar todo mi dinero a qué fue idea del guionista y el crédito se lo llevará el director 😂

[@CertifiedHamasMember]

​@@ojneverdidit22 translation: "OMG they slightly changed a female character to HAVE a brain and not be a submissive object DUNE's director Is WOKE!!!"

[@ojneverdidit22]

@@CertifiedHamasMember enjoy having 2 brain cells and getting your face rode on, lenny

[@loloverlord1664]

Making Chani a realistic atheist in a culture of religious brainwashed people was extremely interesting, more than having her being a tertiary character like in the books.

[@gokcenakdag8189]

I love that too. But also unlike real life and real religious people her people actually worship something real, the worms. Which are very much real and are used by them to go around, not just be feared . Also so many fantastical elements are real in this series. Paul does have powers, he has sight , he can do mind control with his voice etc. So I cant really look down on dune people like real religious people that believe in a god in the sky heaven and hell etc. They're actually believing in very material factual beings. Not only that but also their religion was planted by the bene gesserit, not even born out of their imagination. Very interesting. The whole series to me is a huge contradiction in every way

[@pumpkin91ful]

She's isn't atheist she just knows that the Bene Jesserit are manipulatives and controls religions, true Messiah doesn't arrives because genetic technology

[@user-lu9bg4ll6v]

@@gokcenakdag8189she’s not Athiest she just doesn’t believe in a white saviour , she said she believes fremen should be freed by fremen ❤

[@dakotaneumann1259]

I don’t think she’s an atheist, but she is a skeptic

[@Snazzy12341]

Not just her but her friends as well. It seems there is a disconnect between the younger and the older generations for some reason

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

This what happens when a film maker respects the source material and has the talent and wisdom to adapt it. Never work for Disney Denis.

[@juletaurus]

PLUS. Paul really does love her endlessly and completely, plus without spoilers, he sees her future. He is a very troubled man with the water of life changing him, as he knew it would.

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@Nolimitsbestfriend]

​@ojneverdidit22 facts

[@vphan3802]

​@@ojneverdidit22Let's switch the genders. New girl comes into your family and charms your parents and everyone else to the point where they like her more than you. She does help you guys by fighting for your freedom, but instead of stopping there she literally leads them into a genocidal war against the rest of the universe. And she snubs you and marries the rich dude. It's not "stronk wimin" propaganda dude. If Chani was a boy, and just Paul's best friend instead of his lover, he'd be literally the only smart one and not like these sheeple. Of all the thousands of Fremen warriors following Paul at the end of Dune 2, not a single one of them will live to see the Green Paradise. Paul saw this future and he's choosing to spend their lives anyway.

[@ojneverdidit22]

@@vphan3802 Ok, good point on gender. It’s ACTUALLY a partially reasonable answer. Now look - if such a girl appears in my life, and she tells my father how he broke his arm on his 8th birthday, then tells my little brother that he will have arthritis in his left shoulder at the age of 37 if he keeps wankin in that uncomfortable position every night - I will not question her legitimacy, because that girls obviously sees future. Does it really matter, if Paul is there to lead or not? The fremen have two options - they will die fighting for their freedom (which they always wanted and had every tool to do so), or keep hiding in sand holes destroying harvesting machines. There is literally no other option. Why not accept the strong leader, who actually united all of them, giving them a chance to get their freedom? What did Paul Atreidis really bring to the table, except for his combat abilities and 3 missile rockets? Nothing! So why didn’t they attack the capital without him??? Because he united them! He has a plan and courage, and he sees the damn future, god damn it. All of the above are crucial to answer, you can’t just ignore that. Every question matters. And for marrying an emperor’s daughter - do I really have to say this? As Joker said: “ THATS LIFE”. That’s life baby, yes, it had to happen for the better. Yes, you don’t always get what you want. Yes, your background matters. Yes, it’s not fair for YOU, but it’s fair in a bigger way. In life, you do something about it, and if you can’t, you go on with your life. Chani doesn’t have a single reason, yet she publicly questions him in the most challenging way. And it’s so ridiculous, that noone even recognizes it, I mean people in the last scene. How is that not propaganda? Why should anyone even care about her opinion?? She is nobody, literally zero. She doesn’t have any right to act like that.

[@ojneverdidit22]

@@vphan3802 Ok, good point on gender. It’s ACTUALLY a partially reasonable answer. Now look - if such a girl appears in my life, and she tells my father how he broke his arm on his 8th birthday, then tells my little brother that he will have arthritis in his left shoulder at the age of 37 if he keeps beating his meat in that uncomfortable position every night - I will not question her legitimacy, because that girls obviously sees future. Does it really matter, if Paul is there to lead or not? The fremen have two options - they will die fighting for their freedom (which they always wanted and had every tool to do so), or keep hiding in sand holes destroying harvesting machines. There is literally no other option. Why not accept the strong leader, who actually united all of them, giving them a chance to get their freedom? What did Paul Atreidis really bring to the table, except for his combat abilities and 3 missile rockets? Nothing! So why didn’t they attack the capital without him??? Because he united them! He has a plan and courage, and he sees the damn future, god damn it. With him or without him, none of them will see the Green Paradise ANYWAY. If she’s so smart and strong young lady, why didn’t she DID HIS JOB earlier? She could never. All of the above are crucial to answer, you can’t just ignore that. Every question matters. And for marrying an emperor’s daughter - do I really have to say this? As Joker said: “ THATS LIFE”. That’s life baby, yes, it had to happen for the better. Yes, you don’t always get what you want. Yes, your background matters. Yes, it’s not fair for YOU, but it’s fair in a bigger way. In life, you do something about it, and if you can’t, you go on with your life. Chani doesn’t have a single reason, yet she publicly questions him in the most challenging way. And it’s so ridiculous, that noone even recognizes it, I mean people in the last scene. How is that not propaganda? Why should anyone even care about her opinion?? She is nobody, literally zero. She doesn’t have any right to act like that. Her point of view is narrow, she doesn’t see the whole picture, yet she ACTS AS IF SHE IS THE MAN. What does it teach? What’s the idea? “It doesn’t matter, what the facts are, no matter how low you are in the hierarchy, if you FEEL like it - you ACT like it”. It tells you, not in face, on the deep level, between the lines - that being delusional is GOOD. As if we don’t have enough delusional people around the world, and in US. Don’t make me upset, be reasonable when you answer. Address everything I said.

[@LaceR.Griffin]

I absolutely love Chani's intellectual glow up.

[@The_Schizoid_Man]

I think that was a reasonable change

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Yeah same. I felt it gave more character development to both Paul and Chani.

[@thatwildginger5423]

​@@Swappin.Thoughts I think it condensed the bene gesserit as a plot point being condensed with chani questioning all of it was a healthy choice, and helped the audience understand the ugly web of power more clearly, which I always thought was a strong message of the books

[@wizardlover1324]

Agreed! It gave Chani amazing depth and character

[@Bleideris0]

@@wizardlover1324 character yes, depth not even the slightest

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@Robodude_0528]

I have mixed feelings. It was surprising for me to see some of the changes Denis made, but he does have good reasons for it. The movies are 10/10, so it all worked out

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Exactly!

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@99tillinfinity]

@@ojneverdidit22That’s exactly what I was thinking they can’t have Zendaya the beautiful A-list icon be a concubine. That’s antifeminist and it’s 2024.

[@kenziemilligan7799]

@@ojneverdidit22 i'm christian as well. YOU are spitting in the face of God by rambling on and on about how it's bad to show examples of women advocating for themselves against men that are selfish, evil, and manipulative. Furthermore, if you read the books, watched the movies, or even simply listened to the video, you’d understand that Paul is an ANTIhero. His actions are not noble. He is a FALSE prophet. Chani, as well as the audience, SHOULD be angry at him. Clearly you lack the intelligence to understand simple plot lines. Your comment directly goes against the word of God and you should truly be ashamed of yourself for your sinful view of the world. You clearly hate women and need to do some serious atonement and praying.

[@kenziemilligan7799]

@@ojneverdidit22 m christian as well. YOU are spitting in the face of God by rambling on and on about how it's bad to show examples of women advocating for themselves against men that are selfish, evil, and manipulative. Furthermore, if you read the books, watched the movies, or even simply listened to the video, you’d understand that Paul is an ANTIhero. His actions are not noble. He is a FALSE prophet. Chani, as well as the audience, SHOULD be angry at him. Clearly you lack the intelligence to understand simple plot lines. Your comment directly goes against the word of God and you should truly be ashamed of yourself for your sinful view of the world. You clearly hate women and need to do some serious atonement and praying.

[@NathTMcC]

I think because we don’t have the insight to characters explicit thoughts like in the books, having Chani clearly not believe in the Messiah mythologies planted by the Missionaria Protectiva (Lisan al Gaib) opens up all those dialogues to show the audience that he is in fact not “The chosen one” but is just stirring up the fanaticism. Otherwise it would have just appeared to the audience he was intact the chosen one.

[@jonahlawson95]

They didn’t want Chani to be a concubine lol

[@seekeroftruth45]

Well she wasn't a queen or a noble so that's what she was anyway.

[@Elchinodiabolero]

They made her a nuanced character and that's great

[@Raymoiful]

As if she was not a nuanced character in the book. Well, I bet Chani walking away from Paul is more significant to Chani in the books who saw glimpses of future thanks to spice consumption, lost a newborn child to Harkonnen attack, made her own decision about helping Paul fight the war that was coming as she knew her people will suffer either way, was herself trained as Bene Gesserit and understood politics well to accept a political marriage in the span of first book is a weak character story.

[@ojneverdidit22]

It’s nothing more than a forced thing for the director from the elites, producers, sponsors. Movie art is one of the strongest propaganda machines. They don’t just show you something beautiful just because, just for the sake of art and making money, no. They always show the behaviour for young minds to attain, the pattern the youth will recognize and use in real life, all coded inside the beautiful, powerful story. Chani’s change of motivation, and whole character - is clear propaganda of equality, women rights, women can be fighters, women can be wise, women can be this and that. It’s a pattern for young girls to recognize and bring to real life. When a young girl with pretty face has attitude towards the most powerful, dangerous man in the whole castle, who just killed a psycho killer in a knife fight, made the Emperor kiss his hand, successfully took revenge for his family, successfully wiped an army with his people who adore him as a leader and a warrior as they should, cause he earned all of that - and that ugly attitude on her face, and she demonstratively leaves. Like, what’s so special that young pretty face knows and sees, that nobody, nobody else doesn’t? It’s a pattern to devalue and manipulate. She must be happy for how it all turned out. That’s what they’ve been fighting for, for years and years. But she is too special for all that. She will spit in face of God, if she has a chance, if she has a “reason”. That is so unrealistic and makes no sense to me. But it does for the elites. A movie has to have that generic modern idea between the lines, so subtle, that nodody even recognizes it.

[@seekeroftruth45]

How?

[@UniqueGeekFreak]

I have not read the books. But "it doesn't take a Prophet to understand" that her character was changed to fit this woke generation Would she have been given a better role or more of a character, more to say or do or be, maybe I wouldn't have disliked her "kicking and screaming spiel" They did her dirty making her just a skeptic and an "anti-everything" SO BORING!! And not to mention the rebellious independent woman screaming and shouting to get her own way That is not what a strong woman is...just being a prick lol I hated her character & they miscast BIG TIME on Chani. Maybe it was the role & Denis direction which was bad on this part at least. I write this as a "feminist" Even I hated how dirty they did Chani to be a dislikable character. Their love story was bland because of how unaffectionate she was, only a grim warrior's bad attitude Sad that they have to make "strong women characters" to be exactly like a man.....YAWN ....NEXT!!!

[@jackduncan5311]

Because Hollywood wouldn't accept a main character having a concubine and a wife

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

😆

[@jackduncan5311]

@@Swappin.Thoughts Well it's true, also Zendaya would never have taken the part if that was the case 🤣

[@ezrafriesner8370]

I mean, she will be though, that will probably just be her role in the next film

[@jackduncan5311]

@@ezrafriesner8370 We'll see

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@jackduncan5311 I mean it will be, the power struggle between chani and irulan is the key to like half of it

[@frankpulmanns6685]

Been a while since I read the book, but IIRC, Chani never bought into the messianic crap there either. She loved Paul and bore him a son, but she never bought into the prophecy. Definitely a character that could've used more spotlight though.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

It seems she got more spotlight in villeneuves film than the book.

[@jedilynx1770]

@@Swappin.ThoughtsI bet they are going to make a spin off of chani’s story. Capitalism baby

[@moonlit_sky127]

@@jedilynx1770doubt it, this isn't disney. these people actually care about the content they produce.

[@thehdtv7552]

​@@Swappin.ThoughtsI disagree with the chani and paul rhetoric. Paul was a hero at least in the first book. Muadib/lisan al gaib is not a hero. Paul must take up the reigns (hero's journey) to prevent this character from taking over. To do this he must work against his mother and be careful of his rhetoric constantly. Movie Chani leaves because she is not as smart as book chani. If Paul stopped at any point everything would get out of control and the jihad would take over - specifically even if Paul died. Paul needed to become emperor. Movie Chani doesn't seem to get it because she just ignorantly opposes all change to 'her people' (I hated that modern rhetoric) too stupid to see it had already happened and now they had to guide it otherwise it would get out of control.

[@TheRealLaking]

@@thehdtv7552 Book chani definitely doesn’t understand the jihad and goes along with what paul does out of love and doesn’t do much else in the book. The movie improves chani as a character because it actually gives her a character with stuff she wants to protect (her tribes way of life)

[@gerardotejada2531]

I understood the changes but I think Zendaya performance sucked all subtlelty off the movie. And no one stoped her, not Villeneuve not even herself trying to sugest more subtle actions.

[@nean3075]

Yeah she was glaring and frowning in 90% of her frames throughout the movie.

[@merder1414]

Nah y’all are just racist.

[@ilikeknives1000]

@@nean3075 she smelled a fart and was trying to figure out who it was ...

[@cartethhhh]

I wouldn't have a problem with it if Villeneuve wasn't creating an adaptation of Messiah considering a large portion of that book's plot is catalyzed by Paul refusing to give Irulan a son because of his loyalty to Chani. It would make no sense for Chani to align away from Paul for the events of the upcoming third movie to be cohesive.

[@mahjeevas]

Be patient. Maybe it'll unfold having the essence of Dune Messiah rather than have all the events play out LIKE dune messiah. Maybe we'll see how she comes back, maybe we'll see her get destroyed when she sees what he does to her people. I do think it was a masterpiece to change Chani like that. Never have a love interest of the main character had wen against them like that, so it was quite refreshing too. Let's see how Dune Messiah will come out and then draw conclusions on what he does to Chani, their children and all of that. After all, we see years later in that book, after the Jihad began. Maybe we'll see the jihad going on. I found it very interesting and wished to see how it went. I love a story about an outcome, but I love it even more when I get to see what happens and THEN the outcome folding out.

[@henrylopez7721]

Literally my thought.

[@lyamainu]

I don’t believe he refused to give Irulan a child out of love for Chani. All three were to pragmatic for that. He refused because being the mother of the heir would give her, her family, and the bene gesserit more power which is exactly why they were pressuring Irulan to drug Chani in the first place. Chani was just the excuse.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

@@lyamainu No, that's literally how it was. In the book you had first person narrations, so we literally had insight into what characters were thinking and what their motivations were...

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

@@mahjeevas "How do you know it is shit, it's not even fully out yet"

[@redclayscholar620]

Having read the books up to God Emperor the change bothered me a little about Chani not understanding the intergalactic politics involved with going from the rebels to the rulers but hopefully the next movie will see her gain a firmer grasp of what Paul must do.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

That’s understandable

[@britt5650]

Because movie Chani doesn’t care about politics she wanted her people to be free. She also knew of Paul’s vision of holy war and how she didn’t want that either

[@redclayscholar620]

@@britt5650 but alas they cannot just fight half the battle and live happily ever after. It will be interesting to see how she comes to grips with the knowledge of their previous struggle becoming that of the rest of the known universe.

[@kingpingheedorah]

@@britt5650 beeing free involves politics

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Don't hold your breath for that.

[@anthonylima4452]

I love this director, THAT is how you change/adapt something to a movie.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Yes indeed!

[@architpatnaik6188]

😂😂😂

[@briarblack7437]

I don't know if it was necessary or unnecessary or what but it's clear he made the change with the authors vision in mind and wanted to do his best to bring that vision to the screen, which even if he's the worst film maker in history (he's not) he would still get some leeway in my books for that.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Same!

[@tokyodove]

Agreed. He's clearly read the whole series, which is not the same as if he just read the first book.

[@okleon]

When the director understands the source material and tweaks it perfectly for the film adaptation 👏🙌

[@cainabel6356]

When the director does not care or wants something different, chanes it to adapt to his own vision. He does not care about Frank Herbert's Dune, only his own version.

[@shawn70715]

I don't think he should have changed her character. He has said he wanted to make dune messiah as the 3rd movie, this would have completed the arc nicely, without altering the original material. That being said I do think he respected the source material very much. In a world of the rings of power, netflix witcher and star wars... it's refreshing

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

You make some good points!

[@daniel-son428]

Considering people are already worshipping Paul like they did Rick Sanchez or Walter White I think it’s a needed change. Ideally audiences wouldn’t need that but what ya gonna do.

[@jameslough6329]

Nobody who watched Dune 2 is “worshipping” Paul lmao. Everybody who I’ve talked to who has seen the movie knows that Paul becoming the messiah is not a good thing. The movie makes that very clear outside of Chani’s character. Only people with zero media literacy think Paul is a hero

[@unanimousarts]

@@jameslough6329You’ll be surprised how many people have not read the books or know anything about Dune. They are also posting videos, sharing how terrible the story is after seeing the new films.

[@bt96805]

Because they hired a feminist of course

[@ld3354]

Incel 🫵🫵🫵

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

This is a perfect demonstration of what good adaptation is. Denis goes against 100% adaptation here in a way so significant that it's completely changing a character, and yet it's done in a way that makes the movie better by more strongly conveying the themes of the source material than it otherwise would! 1 to 1 adaptation is a dogma, not a way to make good adaptations.

[@squeezycakes]

the final shot of the movie was moving AF

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Fr. You know the old adage that watching someone try not to cry is way more likely to make you cry, as opposed to actually seeing someone else cry? Seeing chani clearly trying to hold back all that confused love and rage at Paul made us feel that for her.

[@watermelonsalesman]

That was the worst shot of the film. The man literally took over the galactic empire and she was standing there in the corner glaring at him. Dumb.

[@Poo-np3zf]

I was literally yelling at the tv😂😂

[@codelong1592]

I felt that it killed their chemistry. I never bought them as really in love, and feel that it lessened the impact of her leaving at the end

[@abdulshukoor]

She will come around. Paul has seen it. 😂

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

It is as written

[@mainantagonist]

The question now is, how does she come around? If there is a next film, it cannot start the way the book does with respect to Paul and Chani.

[@Poo-np3zf]

Bye😂😂😂😂

[@samantharivera4471]

Not a fan of the change. But more importantly I think in movie 1, she seemed mature, calculated, and like a quiet storm. In movie 2, she seemed emotional and immature, lacking the ability to control her emotions and outburst. I respected the initial young character that was No child in the first movie.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

I see… 🤔

[@nean3075]

I agree so much! I liked Chani in the first, but in the second she seems to be always glaring and scowling. I immediately noticed it. It seems weird that Chani is the only one who is very loud of being highly sceptical of the lisan al gaib while everyone else seems to gradually lose their mistrust (even though she knows Paul more intimately since Chani and him have a relationship)

[@cainabel6356]

Yeah, this is why I do not like it when someone changes the source material or decides to change a character from the first movie they did. She was mature, but lets make her immature. Yeah, that does not seem like the same character. It is like Luke Skywalker. In 4-6, he was a beacon of hope and would fight for good. Then in 7-9, he became a scared and unhopeful beacon of nothing. Great job Disney.

[@nightraven2975]

Both versions of Chani are good. We have both the books and movies to enjoy separately. There are always some core changes that need to be made when making an adaptation. This change was smart and respectful.

[@Tmathh]

Chani is the audience surrogat

[@wesomek]

I actually like the change because the movie needed someone in Paul's corner to push him not to go south and not to change. There needed to be a dramatic counterweight to the narrative. No one else could try would try to prevent Paul from going south other than her and it also shows that fremen have different views based on where and what they believe which is also explored in the next book.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

I did think it developed her character a bit more

[@soullucy4198]

I'm sorry, didn't movie Chani push him to go to the south?

[@Theo-bk6qj]

@@soullucy4198not entirely. Stilgar and the attack by the Harkanonen as well. And also his fragments of vision with ‘Jamie’.

[@seekeroftruth45]

Why? There would be no point in the added tension. What purpose does a more rebellious Channi serve?

[@andresbaltimore9791]

I'm glad they the director took the time to understand the broader vision Herbert had. I was taken aback a little when I first saw it, but I've gained a greater appreciation for his approach.

[@adamm2091]

Its more than this. Part 2 does not include Paul losing his Son or the birth of Alia, so Paul loses those critical moments where he confronts his own humanity. Movie Chani is the vessel for humanity.

[@balladofroses5282]

I wonder if they intend to include those moments in a third movie?

[@user-sd2wc5uj3f]

Wait so Alya supposed to be born in part 2?

[@axxelion1353]

Considering how little media literacy people have these days, I think the change was warranted

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

I agree

[@Feluzius]

The message the director wanted to bring across with this change of character is generally speaking a good intentioned one, but I think they should have either changed a different character or cast another actress to play chani. As is, it just came across as chani being a petulent child.

[@dillonmartin7411]

I liked the change from the books. I’m glad chani didn’t kiss his ass like she did in the books. I literally always thought it was so weird that she was ok with Paul using her people to start a war against everyone lmao

[@lukanelson3146]

“Slightly different” bruh no her entire character is butchered. I enjoyed the movie but I’m more convinced the character was changed because Zendaya isn’t capable of playing anyone but a cynical punk character

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

🤔😂 perhaps

[@theflashfan3234]

Considering the number of grifters that unironically think the film is about "traditional family values" and as a positive coming of age story for Paul, I would say Denis tried his best at least 😂

[@abrahamissac5938]

Chani should not be some Pillow for Paul but rather an equal challenge to his morality of character.

[@mrslasher1064]

I find it funny that Chauni she says that he "enslaves her people" even though the Fremen are willingly following Muadib,if they're slaves why are they willingly following Paul? Slavery implies they are being forced to obey Paul,but Paul instead gains their respect,promises to bring back the green paradise that Dune once was and even gets rid of house Harkonen who have been subjugating and actually enslaving the Fremen for nearly a century at that point,tell me how Paul is evil?

[@darrellgainer6966]

Because they’re religion was literally made by the Bene geserett. They believe they are following a prophecy when in reality it was a twisted calculated plan to gain their loyalty to Paul.

[@mrslasher1064]

@@darrellgainer6966 Even in that case,Paul is not some evil slave master,he is also a pawn.

[@MW-fz3zg]

It was a warning about "cult of personality" movements. Look within yourself to see if there is a person you worship. Whether it be in sports, entertainment or politics. Being part of these cults of personalities, demonstrates intellectual laziness and weakness.

[@xtinafusco]

Its a necessary change! Book Chani goes from bold warrior to quiet wife, which is unbelievable. I much appreciate a logical Chani that sees through Paul's desire for revenge/power in the guise of "helping" her people. Really, he's just bringing them deeper into a war with more of the houses.

[@og8263]

Book Chani is barely even a character, just a plot device to introduce Paul to the freman

[@NovusIgnis]

Book Chani is 100% still a bold warrior and a force to be reckoned with. Did you people even read the fucking book or did you just read some notes from Tumblr? She literally kills someone that comes to challenge Paul because she didn't think them worthy to fight him.

[@seekeroftruth45]

​@@NovusIgnisI've come to realize that people have a hard time with literature nuance.

[@elisabetesuzana]

Even before knowing the author’s intentions, or even if his intentions were to hail Paul as a hero, the whole thing looked like a dangerous trope of among other things, the white saviour. It is an obvious corrupted character and dynamic.

[@ShirleyTimple]

Chani isn't slightly different, lol. The only thing you kept about her was the name, Dennis

[@RachelT.773]

All the better for it 😊.

[@Hematoph]

The instant I learned Zendaya had been cast as her, I knew her character had been changed.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Why is that?

[@Hematoph]

@@Swappin.Thoughts Zendaya just isn't that type of actor. She was chosen partly because of who and how she is in real life. Zendaya usually plays "stronger" women, that don't fit with Chani. I like Zendaya's version a lot more. Much more interesting.

[@DuBstep115]

@@Swappin.Thoughts Why would you pay A-list actor to say nothing and appear only for 2 minutes in film :D Thats basically how much Chani has lines in the book

[@seekeroftruth45]

​@@Hematophwhat's more interesting about her? We've seen her character archetype time and time again.

[@bissa6889]

Villeneuve is absolutely right. Any adaptation in another medium must not be puritanical about adhering to the source material. People only really talk about changes when they fail, but this is an instance where I think most people discussing it agree with the change or at least understand it, and that's where I fall. Any changes to such a detailed and complex world can feel awkward to those who recognize them, but to me, this one stays faithful to the meaning & spirit of the source material without being fanatical. Some of the changes are undeniably related to gender, but none of them were done without careful consideration. We understand the perspectives and position or characters more fully in the books because Herbert can take us inside their head and give us an omniscient explanation. But Villeneuve privileges the visual, which is one of his strengths as a filmmaker. There is a reason Dune has been called unadaptable. The intricacies of each character can't all come across the same way on screen, and many, including Chani, risk falling flat in the narrative. Their roles had to be shifted and they had to be played against one another in a way that let the themes come through to the audience. Jessica's character has changed and she becomes almost undeniably an antagonist in Dune II, because they needed a character to stand in for the prophecy pushing Paul towards his great and terrible destiny. Similarly, Chani is deployed as a stand-in for Paul's inner fear and reservations about this. To me the essential element of her character is that intimacy and friction, and it's present in both iterations. I find it reductive and simplistic to see the changes to characters and attribute it entirely to gender politics.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Dang… it seems like you know all the answers or something. 😂

[@darkengine5931]

The choice made little sense to me especially in the context of Villeneuve's stated intentions. First, did anyone get the sense from Chani's distrust and antagonism towards Paul that it made him look any more like an antihero? My wife and I both didn't get this impression and my wife has no knowledge of the books to bias her impression. Instead, it just makes Chani look xenophobic. Later in the subsequent film, we will see that Chani was right all along, but the film gave us no reasons to take her side over Paul's besides her suspicion towards outsiders and the Lisan al Gaib. Also in the subsequent film, we won't need Chani to see that Paul will become a genocidal divine ruler. The reason some people failed to catch the anti-prophet theme of Herbert's first book is not because the Fremen all came to support him so much, but because they missed subtle foreshadowing of the genocidal ruler he was to become. There are passages in the book like this which, if included in the film, would have had the effect far better than making Chani oddly suspicious (there's no compelling reason for her to have greater foresight and wisdom above other characters beyond just plain old distrust) long after Paul rallies the Fremen: >> Jessica tried to swallow in a dry throat. Presently, she said: ‘Once you denied to me that you were the Kwisatz Haderach.’ >> Paul shook his head. ‘I can deny nothing any more.’ He looked up into her eyes. ‘The Emperor and his people come now. They will be announced any moment. Stand beside me. I wish a clear view of them. My future bride will be among them.’ >> ‘Paul!’Jessica snapped. ‘Don’t make the mistake your father made!’ >> ‘She’s a princess,’ Paul said. ‘She’s my key to the throne, and that’s all she’ll ever be. Mistake? You think because I’m what you made me that I cannot feel the need for revenge?’ >> ‘Even on the innocent?’ she asked, and she thought: He must not make the mistakes I made. >> ‘There are no innocent any more,’ Paul said. These types of exchanges give far more insight into the tragically genocidal leader Paul will become as he gains further prescience. I'd even argue that making Chani antagonistic (and rather inexplicably) towards Paul's leadership as his lover detracts from Herbert's central anti-prophet theme. At the very least, all the screen time spent on displaying Chani's displeasure and distrust detracts from time that could have otherwise been more wisely spent exploring this central theme. Second, Paul wasn't an antihero in my estimate in the events spanning the first book; I don't even agree with DV's assertion. Paul is a conventional hero in every sense (not perfect, but hardly antiheroic) over the events spanned in these two films, and it arguably reinforces the anti-prophet theme that he is heroic. The theme is not that Paul was an antihero all along, but how even the most heroic can end up doing horrible things when they're raised up as prophets by their worshippers and given so much power. It's only when he starts gaining so much prescience that he arguably begins transforming and very consciously making choices that causes so much suffering and death, at which point he becomes arguably more a villain (albeit one with redeeming qualities) if we judge him by his actions. It's not so much charismatic leaders that Herbert was directly warning about as he clarifies in his interviews. It's more the way they get propped up by their followers.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Dang, bro wrote an abstract for their Masters Thesis 😭

[@darkengine5931]

​@@Swappin.Thoughts My bad. I'm a bit on the long-winded side! 😅 Yet I'm really disgruntled with this decision. I think Chani's scenes were some of the weakest part of the second film and it seems to be a shared sentiment. I've seen many people blame Zendaya's acting, but I'm not very good at judging what is or isn't good acting. If I give her acting ability the benefit of the doubt, maybe the reason so many people didn't like her portrayal is because I really don't think these radical changes to Chani's character fit in so well in the context of the parts of the story and themes that DV kept.

[@darkengine5931]

​@@Swappin.Thoughts Trying my best to forget my knowledge of the books, isn't it also kind of an odd character choice? Say I tried to pitch it to you: "In this story, our protag is actually someone we aren't supposed to be rooting for to succeed; he's actually going to become a genocidal ruler. And the way we'll foreshadow this is that his ultimate lover, who sleeps with him, comforts him, resurrects him from the dead, and ultimately has his children, will be someone who doesn't support him at all as a leader even though everyone else around him does. She's going to be our vehicle to show and tell the audience why we shouldn't be rooting for him." That's just strange from a character motivation perspective, no, to make our protag's ultimate naysayer also his ultimate lover?

[@deviandrianto]

i agree with with Villenueve, i love the movie

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

The film is fantastic!

[@J3RCULES]

It’s Zendaya, she plays the same character in every film.

[@LSB44446]

I think it's a good dramatic change as long as it doesn't effect the plot of Messiah, which hinges on his undying love for her.

[@filianoreboreal2595]

You can follow the recipe of you grandmother pasta to the exact replicate but what you family will say is just that is nostalgic and only remember or compare the taste but if you change the recipe a little bit and create a better or not equal good but different taste and recipe, you can show that you can still have the nostalgic aspect but you can have a new perspective about the pasta and new memories that you can pass to you own children's .

[@titoburrito777]

What a load. Those complaints of Paul being a hero were from second hand skeptics who didn’t read the book. Frank had most of the books figured out before he finished the first book of the Dune Chronicles. He didn’t write Dune Messiah to patch things up.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Plus - movie added supernatural element to the prohpercy with addition of Chani magical tears (because God forbid Paul do too many things in the movie on his own) therefore making him MORE of a Messiah.

[@watermelonsalesman]

​@@AdamMichalMarkowski well said, I forgot about that detail

[@Zieg_Games]

In the film, Chani is Chani in name only. She is a straw atheist/naytheist with significantly less depth than her book counterpart. Though less egregious than other examples, she girlbosses her way through the film and hurts the presentation. They also include a “mansplaining” scene just so you get the fucking hint. They wanted her to be the foil to the hilariously fanatical Stilgar, and she makes him look like the sane one. Still a great adaptation, but the change to Chani sticks in my craw.

[@Zieg_Games]

Corollary. The omission of Leto II and all his death instigates is a massive problem. Alia not being the one to kill the Baron is a huge problem for subsequent films.

[@Zieg_Games]

Nitpicks. All of a sudden, the Baron is straight?! Not a huge deal, but it informed his relationship with his nephews. Gender swapping Dr. Kynes. Jason Mamoa as Duncan Idaho. Christopher Walken as Shaddam IV, wtf?!

[@Sectorcomics]

Is it me or is it every role that Zendaya is in? She’s always dragging the protagonist down instead of letting them get to their full potential.

[@len2122]

No way home

[@ZuckerbergsAi]

just you, and if think Paul fulfilling his potential is a good thing (his religious jihad causing the deayhs of billions), i suggest you take a media literacy class or something. Paul must do what he does in order to survive and complete his revenge, but it is not a net good for the universe.

[@Angelica-gm6bj]

For me the change makes sense because you don’t have the inner monologues of Paul’s character in the books. Without Chani the audience would see Paul as a character that we should be rooting for…without thinking his actions are wrong and villainous.

[@S0ulinth3machin3]

IMO, Frank Herbert would approve. He wasn't an egomaniac, he was against egomania, and the worship of such. Therefore, it would be more important to him that the message get through than any exact duplication of his plot. An egomaniac would demand such a thing. Pretty damn sure that Herbert was not a massive hypocrite.

[@wistfulgraph]

I agree, but Frank Herbert’s message would’ve properly been conveyed if Villeneuve made no changes. The problem with Herbert is that he was too ahead of his time. People seem to forget that this book was written when MLK was still alive leading marches for equality. General audiences are much more skeptical towards white savior motifs now.

[@cainabel6356]

Disagree. Frank Herbert would not approve of the change, several if not all authors do not approve of changes to their characters. They find it is akin to a slap to the face.

[@barnabasnemeth3552]

“Frank Herbert’s Paul was misunderstood by the readers… so I rewrote Chani 180 degrees to make it more understandable.” Great solution.

[@lilibethramirez2756]

Totally missed what he said......

[@watermelonsalesman]

And it's totally cope. He changed the character because 2024 Hollywood is incapable of portraying the Chani from the books.

[@mregskwach6037]

This version of Chani took power away from the FREMEN, not the B.G. Missing from this movie is the Fremen spice orgies, where they all take the changed water of life and share consciousness. When paul joined the spice orgy the first time, Chani had a deep experience of his visions, and chose to be a part of it all.

[@NovusIgnis]

It changed a lot of things, not just that. I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees all of this instead of being blind to it.

[@mregskwach6037]

@@NovusIgnis I find these films deeply disappointing, especially the second.

[@NovusIgnis]

@@mregskwach6037 Tell me about it. I wasn't exceedingly pleased with the first one, but I forgave some of the changes and poor storytelling assuming that we'd get to the rest of it in the second movie. But once I saw how atrocious the second one was, I cannot forgive the first one anymore. My consolation from these is that due to my disappointment, I was driven to watch the Sy-Fy channel miniseries when I wasn't planning on watching it otherwise, and I'm thoroughly pleased with it. It's my definitive version now.

[@mregskwach6037]

@@NovusIgnis I think that one's much better than people give it credit for. I didn't really care for Children, but I'm betting it'll end being better than whatever Villeneuve does. Really I was hoping netflix or someone would make a good 3-season, 12 episode per season series of it.

[@NovusIgnis]

@@mregskwach6037 Yuuuck, don't curse Dune like that. I wouldn't wish Netflix upon my most hated franchise, that's how much they ruin things.

[@SARugby1]

I haven't read the books, but it definitely had the intended effect Villvi

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Having read the books, I can tell you it really is a good choice, don’t believe all the other morons in this comment section

[@alessandrozigliani2615]

I think the changes to Chani's character was great, borderline genius. So now you have Chani voicing up the personal tragedy of Paul while Stilgar represents the tragedy of the people as a believer in a story that almost will lead to the destruction of his world - definetely of his culture. If you really want to pick minor plot holes that were opened with the this version of Chani, they are 1) the unlikelyhood that in Fremen society women could be equal to men in every aspect; this ain't happening. However, Chani is very young here, like Paul. So you can still accept they might be a little more 'progressive' and rebellious. I feel like it was not explained enough. 2) Chani is not presented as the daughter of dr. Keynes and all that plot is disregarded; it would also explain why Chani, despite being a very traditional Fremen, might be a little more open to understand Paul and love an outsider.

[@pasqualecardillo2429]

I honestly thought that the Chani change was regressive. In the movie her entire world is shattered because of Paul changing. She's a lovestruck moody teenager who's entire identity is tied to Paul before he leads the Freman. In the book Chani understands the politics outside of Dune and supports Paul's decision of marrying Irulan because she understands that it's necessary to increase the power of the Freman off of Dune. She and Paul are also loyal to each other and both understand that Paul must marry Irulan to support his ascension to Emperor. Overall the movie version of Chani comes off as a lovestruck teenager who doesn't understand how the rest of the known universe works, whilst the book Chani is very intelligent and uses her position to the advantage of both Paul and the Freman.

[@soullucy4198]

Chef's Kiss. You said it all

[@FwAthena]

I disagree because Chani world doesn’t revolve around Paul. In fact in the first movie and beginning of the second one, she really doesn’t like paul until they build their bond. I also disagree with your point of her not understanding politics. She’s one in the fremen who realized that the benne gesserite use tails of the lisan al gahib to brainwash the fremen. She was was upset that Paul chose Irulan but she was more upset that paul became the lisan al gahib after they both talked about the consequences of Paul becoming the lisan al gahib. In conclusion, Chani, by the end of the movie, is the only person who knows the politics and isn’t brainwashed and is only angry because of paul betraying her by becoming a false prophet

[@FwAthena]

@@soullucy4198 the real love struck one is chain in the books because she's still in love with paul even though he's killed over 61billion people. she still loves paule even though paul hates himself because he knows he's a bad person

[@pasqualecardillo2429]

@@FwAthena She doesn't realize that it's part of some BG plot in the movie though, she just thinks that the prophecy is an outdated and backwards way of thinking. Paul also isn't a false prophet, he is fulfilling the prophecy completely which is why the Freman launch a massive Jihad in his name. Chani chooses to run away from both Paul and her people in the movie because she an angsty teenager who is upset that things didn't work out how she wanted them to.

[@soullucy4198]

@@FwAthena I get what you are saying. You are right in your observation. However, nobody said the book chani wasn't lovestruck as well, but the fremen were fighting something bigger than just the Harkonnens and she understood that. From what she had seen Paul do since they first met, she believed he could accomplish more and since he was deemed the lisan Al gahib, that right there is gold. Book Chani was loyal to him not just because she was in love, not just because she was blinded by the prophecy but because she wanted to see that green paradise come into effect. Something her people have always wanted. Every planet needed that spice (even the space guide), so even if the fremen fought off their immediate aggressors, more are coming. What permanent solution could they have? Book Chani was calm and articulate that even when Paul proposed marriage to Irulan to achieve that somewhat permanent solution, she went to him and asked him if he wanted her to leave. If he told her to, she would have gone, but with the consolation that her people would be safe. That's how her character came off. Movie Chani may not be viewed as lovestruck but you can't tell me that she was looking at the long game. She was too busy battling faith/religion not politics, let's not get it twisted. She hated that her people could be used just with them seeing a few signs and exclaiming: as is written ( I see you Stilgar). Her fighting to fall in line with the prophet isnt bad, but please, didn't she just see Feyd-Rautha scorch the earth where her people used to live. I think her permanent solution was for the fremen to keep doing physical battles till they drop dead one day.

[@maggyfrog]

i feel like villenueve totally made the right call here. narratively, i find it to be a balancing voice that someone in paul's inner circle isn't totally drinking the kool-aid. the juxtaposition of her character and javier bardem is done quite well. sadly, most of the viewers would have made the same mistake of viewing paul as a hero. with this change in her character, the real epicness of the story itself is what becomes apparent to most of the viewers, now understanding that paul has actually gone to the dark side.

[@Sayrn.]

I just like the actor who played her feels like she didn't fit the role at all

[@randomstufffromachristian2287]

Denis is a genius for this

[@agetrobadass]

Not slightly different. And with respect to the author, there is something to say wether or not the author has any say in how his writings are interpreted. Or that his hindsight after the fact doesnt reflect what he actually wrote at the time pen to paper.

[@averageadventurers7451]

She seemed like an immature teenage brat in the movie, very 1D. Pretty sure they just added this element into the movie to combat the "white savior" narrative that people would surely start on. A "call it before they can" scenario. In the book she was more nuanced than the move.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

🤔

[@MrMandelsohn]

I agree she was terrible as a character and as an actress - a full time brat. But we know she had to be made a girl boss for ‘modern audiences’

[@johnjackson9767]

An updated take for a modern audience's sensibilities. How truly brave.

[@wistfulgraph]

following the original novel would’ve resulted in the same thing. There is a lot of evidence supporting Paul as an antihero in the book

[@cainabel6356]

@@wistfulgraph Wrong. This is just modern audience crap all over again.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

@@wistfulgraph Yes, so in order to avoid that let's... add supernatural element to the prophercy that wasn't there: Chani magical tears! Now no one will think Paul is ACTUAL messiah, right? Because we wasted bunch of time in the movie to show over and over how upset Zendaya is. BRILLIANT

[@UniqueGeekFreak]

I was appalled Why didn't anyone tell Denis that what he's doing is madness with this "Grim reaper Xeena warrior princess shouting and screaming version of Chani....it's as if Denis Villenwuve became the Anti-Hero of his vision of this movie himself!! How could he be proud or happy with this. It infuriated me that they ruined a GREAT MASTERPIECE of a movie, with Chani....and MIS-CASTED BIG TIME on Zendaya. They had NO CHEMISTRY at all....nor did I see any affectionate or intimate love story between them except from Paul's side did I feel emotions and love. It's as if they made a "gender swap" or reversals of roles, and this just made me like Paul even more, his emotional side, made him just a greater character & leader lol All backfired Thanks general Chani LISAN AL GAIB!!✊️

[@bananaduck14]

This change gave chani soooo much more character than she had in the book

[@ChiefKene]

I actually like this change, they set it up well. Chani is not blindly loyal to Paul and that makes it much more interesting. Denis did a great job because he actually love and studies the source material. He’s look at the point that Mr.Herbert was pointing out to use and crafts the story based on the main idea with no wasted or energy with pointless subplots

[@based-ys9um]

They should of hired a good actress for her imo.

[@laraluna9365]

Zendaya looks like Branch from Trolls. There I said it. I don’t think he should’ve changed Chani in the movie. Felt out of place and I’m sick of seeing women being portrayed like that. The “strong” woman is played out and not realistic.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

I still think he did it in a much better way than Disney.

[@laraluna9365]

@@Swappin.Thoughts he really did. I love both movies but part ll was amazing.

[@NicholasKramas]

It's called "Woke cinema" lil bro

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

It didn’t feel that woke to me.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Fellas is it woke to want your lead characters to be interesting

[@brybalaton-chrimes7550]

Thank you for finding that.

[@ragingtomato04]

"Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah as a response to people who didn't get his intentions". There is no proof Frank even said that, There are however multiple instances said something that contradicts to that. Frank said multiple times that the Frameworks of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are already written even before the first book is finished. He sees the first three books as one giant book, but the publisher forced him to split it to three. I hate when Denis V. spread his misinformation. And it doesn't help when his fanatics uses it blindingly.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

Interesting… 🤔

[@arturorodriguez487]

It’s stupid she’s constantly defying or annoyed at him while also sleeping with him. It made zero sense

[@prooggroo7597]

The way Chani was used in the book is a device that allow Paul to reasonably fail.

[@tarnum113]

I just watched the for the first time in my local theatre. It was last screening 😊 What a great movie!

[@sloanlance]

Throughout my viewing of "Dune: Part Two" I felt very annoyed that Chani was not as she was written in Herbert's book. I suspected the change may have been to make Chani stronger to appeal to today's preference of treatment of women. I didn't know Herbert was dissatisfied with how she was portrayed in his story. That's enlightening, but at the same time, I think the character shouldn't have been changed for this movie. If Herbert was dissatisfied, his only recourse was to change her character in the next book. Villeneuve should have done the same. Keep Chani as written by Herbert, because he ended up working it out in later books.

[@franko161]

I didn’t know about this. I just watched the film because my bf forced me to watch it with him. I didn’t like the first because I was tired after a long day at work and the cinema was cosy. On the other hand, the second one was really good. I even had to hold my pee for more than 2 hours ☺️

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

😂😂 I appreciate the honesty

[@Greeko_Poloz]

I think I love both versions. My biggest issue wasnt Chani. I don't understand why the entire second movie only happened a few months after part 1. Alia killing the Baron was one of my favorite parts of the book.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

I think it’s because it would look a bit weird on screen to have a murdering toddler. It works in the book, but I can see why they chose to adapt it differently

[@Greeko_Poloz]

@@ezrafriesner8370 I enjoyed the adpation. I thought they would montage the 4 years in between the fall of house Atreides and the throne room scene, but Denis made a great film. Im not sure if you have read Messiah, but it will be interesting to see how he adapts it. Way more dialogue and way less action in that book.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@Greeko_Poloz I have read messiah, and I’m also very interested to see how they handle the birth and growth of Alia. I’m thinking they’ll do a time skip between 2 and then, because I doubt they’re going to show all the intricacies of galactic conquest, although no doubt some snippets and flashbacks. I agree that he made a great film, obviously nothing is perfect but I’m also wondering what he’s going to do next

[@meerkats9317]

Well people still think Paul is a hero after part 2 so it didn't work

[@Kageofyoutube]

I didn’t mind the change from the beginning and the middle however torwards the end it got very stale 4 me. Paul had no other choice in this matter than 2 drink the water of life, Chani knows this but is still scornful of Paul not even understanding y things happened the way they did, I can accept her not liking the prophecy of the Lisan al geib I thought it added a great conflict 2 the story between the 2 but her just not even having a thought that Paul isn’t 2 blame this just took me out at the end.

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

🤔

[@danielcatalinstoica4404]

He changed Chani Stilgar the harkonnen the emperor and ruined the fremen, part 2 is a Hollywood perversion of Frank Herberts book

[@Swappin.Thoughts]

🤔

[@cainabel6356]

I agree with this. They changed the character from the 1st movie, which would lead to a different outcome of the future. She was silent, but a great fighter. She would have followed Paul anywhere, to be with him. Now, they decided to delete her character for the modern women. We don't want a modern version. We want Frank Herbert's Dune.

[@TheLolwut2]

As long as we get Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, and God Emperor of Dune idgaf.

[@analis_s]

This is more realistic she is loyal to hef culture and planet

[@CT-1975]

In other words. Chani is an actual character in the movies

[@masterwayne9827]

Yea bro it’s fine to change stuff when you actually care about the source material this was a phenomenal adaptation

[@Santi-792]

She later understand soo ,,,

[@Taco-in-a-Tahoe]

Definitely a smart change

[@targaryenbatman5728]

You can’t control how people interpret a story. Some people still see paul as a hero

[@wistfulgraph]

besides, people viewing Paul as a hero just proves how right he was. Herbert was truly ahead of his time.

[@3_am___]

Irulan will have the name, yet she'll live less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound.

[@Poo-np3zf]

I think it was nesessary because if Chani was the same in the movies as in the books the movie wouldn’t have the suspense and the meaning that it has

[@ErikHammel109]

That's a fair change for the film.

[@marspl]

Took a lot away from story and a unnecessary change. Part 3 will show all of this. Without chani being completely devoted to paul the ending of part 3 or dune messiah will be taken less intense. Their perfect relationship is what makes it a tragedy.

[@6Kubik]

I think this was a good move to make it more clear to the viewers that pauls visions of a terrible war is real and not just some fever dreams

[@namehere5675]

This helps me understand why the director made these changes. That said, the second part felt so drastically different from the first part. It also felt drastically different from the book. It was jarring. I think they could have done things differently. Made it more subtle and believable. Jessica was far too keen on converting the Freman. She was also made to be a monster that was pushing Paul towards drinking the water of life. Chani and Paul’s relationship felt forced. From her being so opposed to him, to falling in love, to her opposing him again. Can I also mention how off the Freman felt in the movie. Having their masks off, out in the open. They are a society all about water preservation. Those scenes just didn’t fit them. The first movie was great. The second has its ups and downs. I can’t say I like it. It just feels so off. I get what the director was going for, I respect the attempt.It just doesn’t land for me.

[@lukewhatidid1735]

You know yes they made character changes to there characters but I like that they also made the scenarios change with it. But still kept the message there

[@sl600rt]

It's because the studio wanted zendaya to have more lines and gurl boss.