The Recent U.S. Policy Towards China Is Productive

Are recent U.S. policies tough and focused enough to achieve key economic and strategic objectives? Or will U.S. policy escalate tensions too much, ultimately reducing the chances that the world’s two major powers can achieve a sensible accommodation?
FOR THE MOTION:
- Michael Pillsbury - Senior Fellow & Director for Chinese Strategy, Hudson Institute
- Kori Schake - Deputy Director-General, International Institute for Strategic Studies
AGAINST THE MOTION:
- Graham Allison - Douglas Dillon Professor of Government, Harvard Kennedy School
- Jake Sullivan - Former National Security Adviser to Vice President Joe Biden

[@mohanchandra8987]

they should have a debate on this topic： Who is more predatory China or USA?because all i am hearing is China is predatory when US is he worst in this matter.

[@youngz13o]

Well this seems authentic, Not a single Chinese representative. Seems like an entrenchment discussion of western views of US policies towards China

[@markfinch2016]

You mean no Communist were their to debate how great Totalitarian is....

[@HFrevive]

@@markfinch2016 then what's the point, just another echo chamber, might as well just do something else instead.

[@markfinch2016]

No, it's not an echo chamber. The Lefties in the West have all been fed a steady diet of the virtues of Communism/Socialism since birth. Sometimes someone with two brain cells to rub together, and a knowledge of the evils of Communism need to speak up. The Millennials who were brainwashed by their Communist college Professors, and I use the term (Professor) loosely, have no real experience in dealing with Communist. Just as the Christian's in Russia circa, 1916, had no knowledge of the Jewish Bolsheviks who were about to overthrow their culture and society...

[@rickyeng56]

In term of GDP, please be reminded China has 1.4 billion people to feed and still has 400 million people to be out from poverty. To suppress your neighbor fro richer than ourselves is really a wicked mindset.

[@ajaxstone]

what were you expecting from wall street?

[@JackVo]

Everyone wants to be number 1, everything you said about the Chinese can be applied to the American. The international rules? Is that your rules? I hope China and US can arrange something both parties can live with happily. The world needs renewable energy not WWIII.

[@Zissan]

@collapsing distance emm The problem is not playing by the rules. The problem is why is your rules not my rules ?

[@Zissan]

@collapsing distance Can I dear to say WTO rules, mostly, is west or even American rules?

[@Lululemon2023]

“The world doesn’t need WW3” is not the view of the arms dealers who has a stranglehold on nation, no one in Congress wants to speak against them. they have been waiting for a windfall since the end of WWII.

[@Lululemon2023]

collapsing distance please look up how many WTO violations have been filed against China and the US, the result will surprise you.

[@chantelle1691]

collapsing distance US is the most sued nation in WTO

[@HTeo-og1lg]

This is not a normal debate. It is a brainstorming session on how to thwart China's development. Don't be so self-deceiving as to belief that the Chinese are not wise enough to see through the deception what America's agenda is where China is concerned. All the " dance" and "spin" of it being about different values, (blah blah blah) is sincerely unnecessary because the Chinese were told by the Europeans that they too believe it is about containing China and nothing else. ( by the way, the Chinese didn't need the Europeans telling them, merely serves as a affirming reinforcement). Lastly, it would be my singular greatest failing not to shout at the TOP of my voice that the Taiwan issue would be the one that could lead to WW3 if ever there is one. Read what Lee Kuan Yew said on this matter. I am not Chinese, but I completely agree with the very respected statesman Lee.

[@amrahmed7856]

I totally agree. What's more concerning is what the US thinks of Taiwan. “Taiwan’s ‘silicon shield’ makes it the 51st [US] state,” said Mr Hutcheson, referring to the theory that the country’s leadership in chip technology is its best defence against aggression from China. “The US needs to protect Taiwan - it can’t afford to lose it to China.”

[@sheavelte2917]

On : 1.24:40 Kori Put words in Philippine President's month. She probably never paying attention to the news lately.

[@wareagleA5]

I am glad they at least admitted that we cleaned our air, even though they lied about why, natural gas. We didn't have to sign up to some climate accord or other agreement to do it. We cleaned up more than anyone who signed the climate accord, while some of the Europeans went backwards.

[@pardeeptandon6730]

Eddie A : The world leader in fighting climate change today is China and not USA.

[@cheeho9698]

LOL you clean your air by moving your industries out. Yes, clean your air this way and you will land up with unemployment and inflation of 8.5%

[@stephenchan7398]

What was the purpose of “freedom of navigation” conducted by the US fleet on SCS if not for intimation. Militarization of the artificial islands are to be expected. America would do the same for Guam if Chinese fleets were cruising around.

[@jh85075]

Only thing stopping America doing what they did with the Opium Wars is because China is no longer the pushover it was when the American Government supported their drug dealers by invading and raping China. This is the reason why China is strengthening its arm forces as they will never let their country be conquered, humiliated and raped again.

[@albertwee216]

So the administration is the driving force behind the current chaos in HK.

[@leoyu5892]

Yeah I think that's a very clear guilty plead from the female debater.

[@EddieCheong168]

This is just one of their little operation out of hundreds of subvertions.

[@frankschattner7640]

I don't thing there is any evidence of that. It's of Xi's own making. Right now I don't see a good end to the situation.

[@afgaggheh]

@andersonnick038 Not officially, but all the US officials have informally supported HK protesters on Twitter. In fact, the US administration didn't deny that they have funded the riots in HK. And yes, we were watching the same debate, but you just have lack of the background info about the HK situation.

[@frankschattner7640]

@@afgaggheh That they didn't deny involvement is irrelevant. I doubt this administration has any interest in funding the riots. They're aren't neocons. Judging fromTrump's actions and policy statements he has bigger fish to fry.

[@shadowsockss2702]

Of course productive, everything didn't kill it only make it stronger

[@hakunamatata887]

Well, since when did America stopped bombed another country for fake imagery reason. Just look at Iraq, fake reason to bomb other country. Keep wasting trillions and keep making fake reason for wars, keep creating enemies, so people won’t find out more and more homeless people sleep on street, more and more old people has to work at their seventies and eighties.

[@faithvirtue6524]

The #1 priority of the US Government is to make American citizens have negative associations with China before they have a chance to assess it on its own merits. China is the most serious challenge to the United States today. But the challenge is not from its military, but rather from its economic and political systems. The U.S. is a playground for the super-rich, while China retains a government capable of putting the wealthy and powerful in prison when they violate laws and go against the common good. China has long-term economic and ecological plans focused on the needs of its citizens and considers the elimination of poverty to be a national priority. It does not allow its economy to be dominated by multinational investment banks and it does not create foreign wars to make money for military contractors. China’s massive investments in renewable energy are unmatched by any other country and it refuses to engage in or to support foreign wars.... That is to say, China offers a concrete, viable, alternative to a Western system whose traditional opposition parties have decayed into corrupt power-brokers and whose mainstream parties support a grotesque combination of ruthless capitalism and unfettered militarism. And this is why China is a “threat” to the CORRUPT NEOLIBERAL “INTERNATIONAL ORDER.”...

[@kizitkiang5022]

Well said, strong point there. Good facts and reasoning, unlike most Americans, build their whole argument on shadow assumptions.

[@nicktrice4921]

Exactly.

[@nicktrice4921]

America has long secretly imagined itself to be the New Rome. And in a way they still are- Rome in its declining age, that is. Everything's of course relative. Thus, in our current historical iteration of the eternal political cycle, the U.S. is less like Rome than they are like Greece, before it was overtaken by China- er, I mean "Rome". Mark Twain was right. History may never precisely repeat itself, but it loves to rhyme.

[@meganh9460]

''Government capable of putting the wealthy and powerful in prison when they violate laws and go against the..... common good.'' No wonder China has a capital flight problem.

[@metrolights3609]

@@meganh9460 While US can put antitrust on Trillion dollar companies with a tweet. No wonder US pension funds wants to invest in China.

[@elizabethjohnson6848]

Thank you... This was a very respectful and interesting debate on both sides..

[@toycreator]

Kori Schake... please stop speaking on topic(s) you know little about (the truth) at least in future and you seems to be on the wrong side of the debate!

[@walentystankiewicz8486]

Kori Schake excellent oratory , but shallow in thoughts , you should not participate in debate if you don't understand subject , what I see you don't study China and Chinese system , must be some reason why ?people are so fascinated with Chinese model culture and people.

[@frankfernandes2906]

Mr Topcreator, I don't think you know what you say. China is acting with strong arm, threatening others, so China is a danger to all. So the recent policy is producing a change, & brings out the truth of China is not keeping to its agreement.

[@1809steph]

The title of the debate is already an anomaly and ironic

[@BallyBoy95]

Great debate, just leaving a bookmark for myself as I had revision left to do, 1:02:10.

[@chfgbp6098]

One has to ignore a Lot of facts to agree with the motion. But then, that s easy as it is why we r where we r in the first place. E.g. the follwiong, Country PrisonPoP. per 100,000 US 2,193,798. 737 CHINA 1,548,498. 118 RUSSIA 874,161. 615 BRAZIL 371,482. 193 INDIA 332,112. 30 1949: US population=150mil, Life Exp=mid 60s. China population=450 mil, Life Exp=mid 30s Now: China pop=1400 mil, Life Exp=mid 70s, with longer healthy life span than US (WHO report). Infant mortatliy dropped from 240/1000 to 8/1000 in the Same period. Literacy rate also now almost 100% from 20% in 1949.

[@brettWwjd]

Sullivan shows off how much more effective rhetoric is than honest debate.

[@josephtahdel4864]

Was that Madeline Albright and Condoleeza Rice in the audience?

[@veralto3411]

I listen to the entire debate "and I could not determine who was For the administrattions policies. These are very poor debaters On the pro side .

[@creator7583]

Remnants of TDS preparing for 2020 .Compared to women in red Gordon Chang should be a no brainer , she argued mostly against , orginasiors knew ( video confirms) before participants was decided. Michael Pillsbury could compliment , alone he falls short. Panel was picked with "intention" .

[@kailinyang8106]

Veralto 100%，it is an Taiwan Level talk，its more an entertainment show than a pro debate

[@romlyn99]

Several factors made the US a world super power - Not being physically decimated by the WWII - investment in military technology - investment in good infrastructure - quickly adapting military technology to a commercial product - a very strong manufacturing base. The things that have weakened the US economy over the past 30 years are - moving the manufacturing base out of the US to low cost manufacturing countries - a lack of good infrastructure investment - the theft of technology and intellectual property (by China) - innovation stiffeled by the fossil fuel industry. Note: mobile phones, fiber optics, the internet, network computing, super computers, micro chips, are all US inventions for military use that were commercialized. High speed electric trains, solar energy, battery technology - are all things that have been stopped by the fossil fuel industry in the US. China has sent all of it's best minds to study in US universities to study and get knowldge on all US based innovations. China is buying German companies that specialise in rootics. China is closing down low end low wage manufacturing. China is investing in high end manufacturing. China is investing in Solar energy, battery technology, advanced electric grids, high speed rail. So the US sits around and complains that the China economy is not open enough and advancing too quickly. But it was the US that moved their manufacturing base to China. You helped them grow... and you weakened yourself... just so you could pay your workers less... just so you could look after your fossil fuel industry. China plans to be the worlds largest electric car manufacturer in the world, surpassing Tesla. And in the US you invest money in what now? Bigger cars and trucks that consume more oil? The US is like an old man sitting on the front porch of his home - too old to get out of his own way - complaining about his neighbor doing well... remembering how good he was in his youth... and too old to do anything about it. 50 years ago all the best TV's, fridges, stereo's, cars, were manufactured in the US. Now you will struggle to find any of those manufactured in the US. And are you saying that the US is incapable of doing that now? That Japan, China, etc can do that better and cheaper than the US? So China can make a pair of shoes for $2 and the US cannot... so the US stops making shoes? Well you might as well get off the front porch, go around the back of your house and just put yourself out of your own misery. Or you can kick yourself in your own butt and do what you know is needed. Give the fossil fuel industry the middle finger and start making things in the US again, invest in high speed rail, high speed internet and high tech R&D. Start manufacturing thin film solar panels cheaper than the shitty solar panels coming out of China... be the standard of things again.

[@ramraichandani3425]

Ask the Philippines would they like to carry the American Flag again,and also their Peso was 2 to 1 against the US$ back in 1945✌✌👍👍

[@weizhang5424]

I thought a debate was supposed to be 2 vs 2, this one, however, is 3.5 vs 0.5 ( Mike being the half).

[@whaikuratuhaka7029]

Elvis and Jesus have just left the building

[@rickyeng56]

The brave young men of HK and the brave young men of Americans should continue protest for justice and freedom and equality? My view is no foreign intervention please

[@PurchaseRationale]

The question is Leadership. US leadership is a real BIG Question.

[@user-yj4ex3rv7h]

中国的经济竟然还成长了，因为几年前就开始做了贸易战准备，减少进出口，增大内需市场。

[@jianyang6281]

almost one year passed, and I, as a chinese, I dont see many difference between Biden and Trump. one thing is different, Joe kneel a lot, I mean really a lot for a 74-75 years old guy.

[@josedelacuadra660]

I believe that Jin, the economist professor would make a convincing argument of helping China’s cause in this debate.

[@annanymous3165]

When a person sounds like a politician, think 10 times.

[@eyewitness8145]

For a country who has millitary bases millions of miles away in other countries to want China not millitarise its own front yard the south China sea, it is as cheeky as a woman in red can possibly get.

[@esp4yu]

Defensive or Offensive ... ? We know that more than 57% of budget has been allocated to Military Defense. Productive Focus should be about whether America has achieved Improvements and Developments for the American People and USA. Putting another country or a person Down (is about Power) has nothing to do with Productivity, instead it's about how far or what Progress has the country made to improve it's Economy; Transformation for America (from Income inequality, racial issues, infrastructure deprivation, Addressing of Issues and Shifts in Globalization ... etc).

[@nistelse3859]

more like 'containment/suppression' policy, lol. about time the u.s. itself should be the one put in its place, no? we dutch and europeans as a whole always thought that the hegemon u.s is the only country/superpower that has gone too far too many times in modern history.

[@azizanm2]

Round 1, Sulivan, solid point

[@planckmass373]

they have been conned by china and still coping to get along

[@sungjohnny3640]

Productive? This is self comforting message to fool own under educated citizens. I like the young man, he has the IQ !

[@day2148]

Let's face it: China will never "play by the rules" because those rules were created without China's consent. So either those rules must be updated -- which the US has not shown any willingness -- or China will make its own rules. Thus, the more US policymakers stress China must play by the rules, the more they push China towards a direct confrontation.

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

It's China who begged the US to join the WTO not the other way around.

[@day2148]

@@TheMrgoodmanners which is why China breaks WTO rules a lot less than the US does. www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_maps_e.htm

[@day2148]

@collapsing distance Who isn't violating that rule, lol? There is no such thing as "trade fair", because all trade, all negotiations, is based on leverage.

[@day2148]

@collapsing distance manipulate currency : what do you think the Fed's 'monetary policy' is? Every major country does it, then pretend not to. trade surplus : the US used to have the biggest trade surplus. It declined because US consumption has grown out of control while its manufacturing lost the edge. steal intellectual property : this pretend amnesia is very convenient. US seems to have forgotten what Snowden revealed that NSA used its espionage network to spy on foreign trade secrets and conduct industrial espionage for commercial interests.

[@tclf90]

​ collapsing distance China manipulated (proped up) it's currency to please the past US administrations.. This is/was no the only single case. US did the same thing to Japan and other 3 countries back in the 80s through Plaza accord... The history is just repeating itself. After 40 years, the US still couldn't find a way out but have to blame others using the same excuse. What's your response to this?

[@phoenix11994466]

*_It's too late, China has already won by default... How? Because Democracy is flawed, party politics creates arguments from all sides which can continue Infinitum, and by the time everyone compromises the ideal solution is lost leaving EVERYBODY unhappy... One rule Communism, on the other hand, can make a plan one day and implement it the next. Whereas democracies can sometimes take years to come up with a highly compromised solution, and can often take many more years to put it into action. In a fast-moving technological world, that can be a death sentence... The Democratic system is not dying, it's already dead, except the West doesn't know it yet, the E.U do though, but not America, and they can't possibly move fast enough to dodge the oncoming bullet._* 👀🧧

[@cjoe6908]

Very useful discussion. I am for Allison

[@beezibee]

USA should mind it own business.

[@mikewonghongkee4480]

The chosen one☝️, the right way 👍☝️💪

[@serenachen9385]

The chosen one don't make me laugh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@guyspanky7007]

While it is true that a single weapon could destroy an aircraft carrier, the carrier could destroy much of the enemies warfare.

[@juliegray9359]

True

[@arlieferguson3990]

The moderator hijacked the debate.

[@gangshan]

The Chinese ships she said violated the sanctions against Northern Korean were actually from Taiwanese leaser, leased fro a Hong Kong company. They took advantage of their autonomy state not having to follow American sanctions.

[@kbyte9126]

Praise what benefits you, blame what harm enemy. That’s the logic of US government.

[@annanymous3165]

That is the Art of the Deal.

[@sunwm2003]

The young guy on the right has no idea about China. He gives too much credit to China.

[@randyross5630]

It's a Paper Dragon, their Economy could Collapse so easy...

[@grumpyrabbit1934]

哈哈哈哈哈哈你是故意的吧😂

[@romlyn99]

The US is so focussed on selling things to China... but what is the US making and selling to China and the rest of the world? Nike a great American brand. You have Nike shoes manufactured in China... the Chinese know just how bad those shoes are... they make them for $2 for a pair. They don't want to buy your Nike shoes. But I bet you, if the Nike Shoes were made in the US for $30 a pair - the Chinese would buy them for $200. What are we doing here? You want to open up the China market for what, to sell GMO soy and GMO corn, coal? Seriously - what is manufactured in the US that you can sell to China, that China doesn't aleady manufacture for itself? Certainly not Trump ties...

[@dzakiassuhud1825]

Love the way miss Kori Schake talk and present herself.

[@daysmanoftheages1411]

This wpmahnin red. Two tongue talker.

[@PurchaseRationale]

How come you are contradicting yourself in Anchorage?

[@mim8312]

The TPP would give special rights to multinational corporations to sue nations who passed laws that reduced their profits. It provided for arbitrations run by their lawyers. Trying to revive that proposal, which some nations did sign, (giving away the farm to multinational corporations) to meet Chinese moves is ludicrous. Some of the carriers are excessive. However, they are small-war weapons: for the US to invade and steal the oil of Venezuela for the multinational oil corporations, etc. If a nuclear carrier were blown up by China, we would probably retaliate by blowing up a military base in mainland China. Both sides may be able some time in the future to do that. Thus, some of the carriers are not irrational. As to North Korea, China supports it, so it is responsible for its actions. We should tell the Chinese government that any nuclear attack by North Korea that destroys one of our cities may result in our attacking their patron, China, and destroying a comparable city, such as Shanghai. Chinese communists only understand the stick. The carrot was failed. Hitler would have been stopped if a firm stance had been taken against him by Britain and France at the beginning.

[@chfgbp6098]

U r right on the TPP. Then u took off and left reality. Thanks for visiting though. ;)

[@mim8312]

​@@chfgbp6098 Apparently, you do not know much about military weapons. It is understandable, since even generals seem to expect to always fight the prior war and prepare to fight the prior war. Missile technology will slowly make fat targets like carriers less and less safe: countries like China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, etc., will slowly acquire the ability to destroy our carriers with greater and greater ease via missiles or quasi-drones traveling at high speeds. Observe the new, privately developed space rockets. They can maneuver to land (without parachutes) on a relatively small area after they boosted a payload. Technology has advanced. Missiles can be designed so that they are upgradable and very maneuverable. The main hardware, which would be the main rockets and smaller, control rockets, usually based on hydrazine, would remain the same. It is the detection-radar and control systems that get better and better. Even if you had to thriftily take apart existing rockets to upgrade their computer controller, the maneuvering performance of missiles and rockets can and will increase with time due to CPU improvements. Even if Moore's law is allegedly dead, computer chips will still get faster and faster at a slower rate with time. Memory will get cheaper. Thus, the performance of missiles will increase with time, with maneuvering rockets making them very hard to stop. If China (e.g.) fires enough maneuverable missiles at a carrier battle group, it will destroy it. Even sufficiently powerful laser based weapons (or rail guns) will have a tough time shooting down missiles that maneuver across the sky to throw off any destroying beam. Remember that the laser/slug beams will be firing at the predicted position of a target that may be randomly changing its position. Moreover, these beams have a fixed length, as they fly toward their targets, because the beams cannot keep firing for very long: they fire in bursts of a fixed length which must intersect the target sufficiently to materially damage it. Consequently, sooner or later, carriers will become easier and easier to destroy, because they are big, non-stealthed, missile targets that can only be effective relatively close to the bases, etc., that their planes would bomb. Thus, only if we threaten retaliation can we be sure to intimidate the crazy generals of North Korea and China to not launch their missiles and destroy our carriers, e.g., if China decided to invade Taiwan or North Korea invaded South Korea. If the supporters of the North Korean or Chinese communist government see that Shanghai or a similar city of theirs would be destroyed if they blow up Los Angeles, Los Angeles would be safe. North Korea would collapse without Chinese support, so the communist party of China is responsible for all of their crimes, as well as its own. Ignoring China's ABSOLUTE power over North Korea is foolish. I suspect that current, rapid technology advances will enable missiles to cheaply destroy US carriers within ten years. We may have AI within ten years, which could control such missiles. Quantum computers will enable better detection and decryption. Thus, like the F35 (which is being bought in unnecessarily large numbers) the newest US carriers may not be effective or safe to operate for long. The US should diversify its investments in military technology. Too much was spent on the F35 and on the new US carriers. Submarines might have been more effective even against conventional targets, if they carried powerful, maneuverable, stealthed, cruise missiles or fired drones. Large, stealthed airplanes carrying drones would be very effective, absent an electromagnetic pulse weapon severing the links to their controllers. Such a pulse might also effectively destroy all missiles, etc. Current US carriers will be most effective in the future against weak nations like Venezuela, which do not have the weapons to oppose us, if the oil companies direct our current, corrupt leaders to steal their oil: i.e., stage a coup and force Guaido to sign a contract giving all oil rights to oil companies aligned with current, corrupt, Republican leaders. That is not a fantasy, either. Read about the history of oil. Chile, Columbia, and other countries are safe, so long as they do not have oil or other assets that the corrupt oil majors desire. Iraq was about to drop the petro-dollar from its transactions and sell its oil to other oil majors: the Iraq war secured Iraq's oil contracts for US aligned oil majors, which included many with UK connections, which explains why the UK went along with the imaginary weapons of mass destruction lies.

[@chfgbp6098]

@@mim8312 and apparently you think you do. Good for you! ;)

[@bingxia7351]

Graham and jake are the right people for America

[@buzhidao8824]

No. For China.

[@frankschattner7640]

This debate probably was a little too early. These experts are risking their credibility during a time when negotiations are still in mid stream. In my view, if Trump is successful i.e. comes up with a deal that adequately addresses all the key issues, then unfortunately 3 of these 4 debaters should step down and re-educate themselves on the changing global situation.

[@LyndaMackrous-wi6fv]

America died not have to cooperate with veina. It’s the other way around’ China has to cooperate Not dteal. Not dump. Not send their drugs to a,Erica . They can sell their fentanyl to their own people depending on their objective is it money or destroying and weakening America

[@wk9378]

It will be nice to see a debate between the Americans and actual Chinese not a foreigner who thinks they know the Chinese.

[@kimcarrier9834]

I seldom see an Asian in Asian debates.

[@GypzyJack]

Jake has already told a basket of 'pork pies'

[@juliegray9359]

He works for Biden. That should say a lot.

[@steve5nash]

great debate

[@michaelknight1501]

Democracy has not been good for emerging economies and very few countries survive if they transition to democratic system early. Russia when they transitioned to a democracy and adopted the Washington consensus on what is "good" for their economy; their economy collapsed. Certain preconditions are required for democratic system to succeed. China in its current state requires a strong state actor to maintain its prosperity, does that mean certain liberties are affected well yes. Until America gets its own balance of liberty vs security right it's not a model for anyone. Imagine if China had democratic system and elected a leader like current US president, it would be disastrous. What is fair and unfair needs to be judged based on stage of development in that country's economy. And GDP and growth is what you should care about most; whether trade is good or bad is viewed through that lens. Talking about trade in a vacuum is meaningless, it's as if you're telling a surgeon he didn't make the perfect incision even if that was the right incision to save the patient.

[@metrolights891]

Futhermore if we look at complaints by WTO statistics: there are only 43 cases brought against China, 23 are from US. Whereas US has 166 cases brought against them (35 from EU alone, 20 from Canada, 15 from China, 11 from Brazil, and 10 from Mexico, and more other countries) By that standard from comments I've seen in this chat US must be biggest cheater and worst trading partner of any nation.

[@jianyang6281]

when she started to talk about HK, I already see the answer to this mess, that is NO.

[@revolution475]

Prof. Zhang Weiwei, Dr. Eric Li or Dr. Martin Jacques would have been more suitable candidates for the opposition.

[@eyewitness8145]

1:32:00 Why the old man on the left is so sympathetic to wrongdoers (squandering other people's money and not paying back) who are barred from luxuries (a commercial ticket on a plane, for example).

[@pistolen87]

Is mercantilism 2.0 the solution?

[@tsbm9]

the counter team thinks in terms of a couple of years, the chinese whom they defend think in terms of 100 years from now. the chinese think of the future of their grandkids' nation, the counter team does not.

[@pahatpahat9566]

Does this debate prove your points 2 years? Or you all need another assessment debate?

[@terryg4795]

strategic promises are necessary. politicians rarely keep them, either the US or Chinese government. in fact, men rarely keep them.

[@jackholmes6877]

No

[@LyndaMackrous-wi6fv]

Everyone forgets to mention Illegal I,,igrants

[@tsbm9]

the strenght of america lies not in importing math students from abroad, but in forming our own math students and reforming our education.

[@marcusdavenport1590]

The childish attacks are really lowering the bar on this show... Saying the president can't do math... That's ignorant.... You're only making your debate seem less credible. This was a terrible episode and I've watched many

[@calm_compost]

Moderator is really good at his job.

[@larryhongkham694]

Kori Schafer is more extreme hawk than Michael Pillsbury.

[@voranartsirisubsoontorn9010]

………is necessary.

[@GypzyJack]

I don't understand why Kori keeps sabotaging her own argument. The point of any debate is to extol the virtues of your established position, in this case: That current US policy if productive.

[@juliegray9359]

She is playing bipartisan.

[@GypzyJack]

@@juliegray9359 The bottom line, a month on from when I watched that video, Julie, is that the Chinese economy is in real trouble, and Trump's methodologies, damaging or not in the short term to China's target group , the famers, can easily be ameliorated by some sort of support infrastructure, e.g. forming a quasi-government 'Grain Board' which buys and warehouses grains to provide some cash flows to farmers at current prices, but allows them to share in futures market pricing, much like a free market system. In an event, China needs to both feed itself and obtain other primary resources and it cannot do that domestically alone. Furthermore the solar minimum, maybe even an approached Grand Solar Minimum, has since impacted US farmers with as much as 45% reductions on some grain yields and 35-40% across the board compared to last year, so not only are prices going to sky-rocket but some foods such as meat will become hellishly expensive or impossible to get. China will react in one of two ways, or maybe both. It will come to the trade table to obtain some permanency/reliability of access to US products, and/or it will get aggressive/expansionist, my country, Australia, being as potential primary target, but which houses Pine Gap, the US's 'eyes' on the other side of the world. Scary times, Julie.

[@Robgti180]

I notice the former State Secretary Miss Condoleezza Rice is in the audience.

[@zeuds2676]

"...prolonging the trade deficit cause trade war... regardless whomever is trying to take advantages of the situations... at some point of time, it would be unsustainable condition..." The main issue with China is the incomparable of the economical and political governmental systems... under the command height ordered economy systems most if not all benefits has gone to the state's capitalism and communist party members also the PLA... so what's happening to the forgotten balanced of the 1.3+ of its population and citizens scattering though out its occupied territories....!? We can debate all we want... about these meaningless figures out of China... however they're all faked... we can not believe nor trust these economical reports indicators... case and point how can we find out the legers for those newly built ghost cities though out its occupied territories...? China has been taking advantages of the WTO and world credits for so long already... it's time for China to change and reform itself towards the free enterprise world economy systems... otherwise we shall never see any peace and prosperity though out its occupied territories and this region of the free world.... Just a friendly reminder.... EUDS

[@juliegray9359]

China manipulates their books. If they don't like the outcome they change their books to deceive their people and the world. If they go by their books they lie.

[@philipfan]

Clean energy?, UN? You have little knowledge about this topic

[@thousandaireradio3199]

The counter debaters have a myopic outlook on policies for productivity.

[@marcduchamp5512]

Both systems needs to go am tired of this Hegelian setup

[@firetree2007]

1. does other country have right to choose its own political and economical system?? if no, then so called democracy or freedom is only for a certain countries?other countries should not have freedom as a country to choose its own system?? 2. who decides if the people in other countries have human right or not?? by the people of these countries or by a superpower or a world police?? 3. Xi Jinpin said China is not trying to dominant the world, China does not want to transport its political and economical system to other countries. If other countries are trying to learn from Chinese model, should China be blamed for this?? or all other countries are less intelligent and are making mistakes for their own countries?? 4. USA government officially recognize Taiwan is a part of China, and PRC government represents whole China. 5. China's history and culture showed that China never tried to dominant the world, even though China wanted to be the center of the world, in Min Dynasty, around 1430s AD, China sent out, 7 times, the most powerful fleets at time to travel to south China sea, to Indian ocean and as far as to the east cost of Africa. they never tried to occupy by force anywhere along the way, but instead, the fleet carries goods for trade or gifts for local leaders. the idea that if the world dominant power change hands it must accompanied with large scale conflicts and blood shed is a concept in the west, not in China's culture or its ideology.

[@myasians]

Are we that naive & stupid to believe a communist Xi. Look, talk, walk like warmonger, is a warmonger. China is suppose to be taken over by Taiwan; Liberate china.

[@philliu5008]

myasians Why you so hate communist? Have you ever lived in that old times? China is not the old communist country any more. China have been learning from the west, such as market competition.

[@EddieCheong168]

Forget about all the talks, let China get stronger each day, get realistic, Law come out from the gun barrel! The West will forever want to rape China!

[@mim8312]

@@philliu5008Are you an abuser? The Chinese communists have learned to deceive and conceal their abuse of others, including Han Chinese. Judge people by how they treat those who are within their power: the Tiennamen square massacre, concentration camps for Uighurs, organ harvesting of opponents or of persons of the wrong ethnic/religious group, etc., establish that the Chinese communists are not people that I would want to see rule the world. This argument about "relativity" or different moral values in China is a joke. It is only the rapists that would argue that in their country rape is good or conforms to their historical values, not the victims. You would argue that lynching in the American South should continue, because it matches the historical values of people there? Only the evil doers/criminals make these arguments, not their innocent victims. Similarly, it is the abusers that argue that China's historical values mean that the Chinese people want the Chinese communists to torture them, grab all of their nation's wealth, kick farmers off the land that they farmed for centuries without compensation, murder or imprison all opponents, create a surveillance state worse than Orwell dreamed of in his novel 1984, etc. Thus, it is not a question of hating communists but of hating evil, which is occurring as I write this. (Of course, the current, Republican leaders of the US are imprisoning innocent children, etc., and hopefully they may also face ultimate justice when they lose power and are tried. It is amusing that evil people on both sides are fighting each other.)

[@steamknife1]

1. Other countries have the right to choose their trading partner. If their political and economic system is extremely one sided, we have the right to hit them with tariffs. 2. If you are in the UN, you basically have the moral duty to ensure your citizens to enjoy fundamental human rights. At least ensure the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. 3. What Xi said is all lies. China has been predatorily expanding militarily, economically and even soft power. In addition, China has been stealing technology aggressively. All these would lead to CCP world domination if nobody stops them. 4. Whatever, the CCP have no power over Republic of China (AKA Taiwan). Chinese citizens require visa and their passport when going into the country. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and even eats like a duck, it's a duck. 5. China's history and culture does show that China never tried to dominate the world. But NOT the communist history and culture. China has changed ever since the cultural revolution. Even the Chinese called the China today the "NEW CHINA". What you said there were just sweet talks for gullible white people who has no idea about the situation.

[@arminius6506]

The last in read said in the whole debate is "I don't like fucking China"

[@danlacina7562]

They should make it against the rules to clap.

[@NangongReng1973]

That red lady should not have taken part in this debate. What a let down!

[@Sammychy]

漢仔 why you want vp beiden secretary lol chines

[@YUON168]

we have short memory if we have another 2008 which country will come to help (coffee bet) none because the world blame the US exporting our debt to them

[@rainnyjiang4208]

I think those comments are far more interesting than the video itself which by the way is BS!! I hope one day we will no longer argue about who is better instead we can work together to make the world better.

[@henrym5043]

About 90 years age, the US policy towards China also was very productive to support Janpan invading China.

[@alanOHALAN]

I support Japan invading the US.

[@joebuckcoker7966]

the path does not lead directly to the solution....these issues call for a more indirect intermediate solution..... Realize China has had to deal with US.....When it was called Formosa in the US media.....about 1950-53....when we were at war with N Korea as I have mentioned elsewhere.....China was being investigated by Congress for improper champaign donations for Clinton......maybe 35 years ago....some remember... it is clear that many of our current US congressmen are on China's payroll.... and CLIMATE CHANGE.....QUITE AMBIGUOUS .......could you pin it down a little closer........50 years from now it will be labeled a hoax.....

[@guyspanky7007]

We are not, or should not be against immigration. We should be against illegal immigration. Trump is trying to eliminate illegal immigration, not legal immigration.

[@everseraphim192]

No hard evidence!

[@guyspanky7007]

I have said that many times. However that does not solve the problem since the previous (leaders)? Did very little to stop the illegals and now we cannot simply send them back. The Democrats do not want the Republicans to accomplish anything but we must stop further illegals and get rid those who commit crimes. If they don't want to be a good citizen get rid of them. I would like to lower the government officials pay simply because they don't earn it. Cost of living government pay raises, (on a percentage basis) is what caused their high wages. While the lower pay scales were getting very little. You cannot eat percentages. Government pay scales should be lowered (on a percentage basis) until their pay is equal to what they do.

[@laopang91362]

The productivity can be measured by inflation and thr amount of hot air generated from the talking heads.

[@LyndaMackrous-wi6fv]

The president s erratic behaviour on Twitter he’s seeking reactions from citizens along with the professionals’ his erratic way is his way of of getting his people’ China does nor even care about its own people do you think China is going to care about America . And western world citizens

[@10244325]

One question for Kori, why must everyone play by the rules set by US?

[@jesmeet123]

China agreed to play by the rule, but they just never did.

[@10244325]

@@jesmeet123 US set their rule ask other to play or they will be in trouble. That's a bully.

[@kimhoang6170]

A set of international rules not US rule

[@10244325]

@@kimhoang6170 So US send their army and build military base everywhere in middle east and Asia is an international rule?

[@kimhoang6170]

Those countries have agreed and allow US building these military bases.

[@arthighland4293]

More tariffs will help Trump's policies. Go for more tariffs.

[@alphabeta4028]

you mean more tax on our American family

[@marcusdavenport1590]

The tariffs have been working great. Everyone knows they are temporary and that china can't win this trade war. So regardless of what they think we should continue with maximum pressure until they stop screwing over our country.

[@tuolu2030]

Big fan of Jake, to win the competition with China, need to make our stronger inside but not focusing too much to slow down the opponents.

[@buzhidao8824]

This topic and the discussions can only be as productive as a discussion for the following topic: my hen laid 3 eggs this week, is she productive?

[@Papabuonair]

Very good debate which China should learn

[@beveragescollections6529]

Educators could move to China 9 Months There 3 Months to Their home land ,if China made cost of living cheaper than The U.S.

[@ashoks5317]

Americans really are short sighted . There is a English saying ' Don't put all the eggs in one Basket '. Now Americans should have this type of work shop/ seminars.

[@robertholland8283]

Good debate.

[@ukhansol803]

China begins militarised South China Sea since since in the last two years of the Obama administration. Just the same way he treats the Crimier and Syria issue. Which makes president Trumps policy's more difficult.

[@user-yj4ex3rv7h]

我们在自己的领海里不行么？当年南海九段线是你们西方定的，现在怎么中国崛起又不承认了？还有，中国可不会到处去发起战争，也不会每天让媒体给民众洗脑中国很坏中国威胁论之类的。如果你们美国要双重标准，那真的很恶心

[@meganh9460]

@@user-yj4ex3rv7h The islands are not the problem. Its militarizing them along with claiming that they have their own economic zone. The international community already ruled that no man made islands can claim more economic zone. Also, Chinese government admits that their media speaks the CCP point of view, what do you think that is if not brainwashing. At least here in the west we get multiple news sources. Some in fact very pro China, how many pro American ones do you have there that criticize the CCP?? And you will launch wars, you will have too. Its what hegemonies are forced too do. Why do you think there are Chinese troops in BRI countries. They will need to protect their interests.

[@guangyang547]

You got what happened, it’s a good. But you might want to dig more why. If you do some research, you will definitely know why. Just like this trader war, what China did was just a response to tell US to stop and not do more.

[@sevenho6330]

The evil man will not win. The good man will not lose. The evil man will suffer evil Consequences. The good Man enjoy good consequences. This is the Eternal law.

[@susancarter6503]

The evil man is definitely China. Let me watch in joy the slow destruction of China .

[@brianzen1414]

On hind sight, these people have no clue what they are talking about most of the time.

[@LyndaMackrous-wi6fv]

China is not on good term with Canada