The Reign of Fred Figglehorn | Fallen Titans

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Today, in a special episode of Fallen Titans, we revisit a topic I once considered to boring for a full exploration: Fred Figglehorn, also known as just “Fred.” This KZbin star, in reality a character created by Lucas Cruikshank, was one of the biggest hits in the early days of KZbin, causing Lucas to become a recognized star in children’s television. So what happened? Why did Fred’s reign end so suddenly, and was there a bigger story to his content?
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0:00 - Intro
7:12 - The Beginning
26:47 - 2009 Fred
45:45 - Fred Merchandise
50:49 - Fred: The Movie
1:13:51 - Lucas’s Concerns & Claudio
1:19:56 - Fred 2: Night of the Living Fred
1:33:25 - MAD Footnote & Nick-Era Fred Channel
1:40:41 - Fred 3: Camp Fred
1:43:12 - Fred: The Show
2:51:38 - Marvin Marvin
3:00:56 - Post-Nick Fred, the Final Fred Arc
3:16:18 - Fred Channel Post-Fred
3:18:51 - Fred Post-Fred-Channel
3:26:14 - Closing Statements
3:33:18 - Next Time on Quinton Reviews
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[@lancebiggerstaff2660]

I legit missed you, Quinton

[@DarwinskiYT]

Omg this is 3 hours long I just realised 40 minutes in

[@DarwinskiYT]

How come in this video you look like John Lennon

[@ne3856]

I would like to remind all of you that Quinton made a 3 hour video on Fred Figglehorn

[@dumpster_mcgee_96]

@@lancebiggerstaff2660 you are a mad man.

[@AnimeFan9833]

Nickelodeon execs really looked at the story of a traumatized kid who's abusive drug addicted mother "works the corners" and thought "Let's make this a kids show".

[@lukaj679]

Children with dubious parental figures was Nickelodeon's niche

[@rowdy2063]

This *is* the same studio who saw a guy make a comic called “Johnny The Homicidal Maniac” and was like “Hey, let’s give that guy a kids cartoon.”

[@melvv18]

I mean look at ICarly

[@pedroxqui]

Kids show, 3 movies, a cartoon and a mountain of merch

[@jakedebruin2246]

Though barley anyone watching his videos actually got the underlying storyline.

[@toetotipthatsabart5048]

Fred is so irresistible to the girls in his school for one reason - he’s the gay kid who doesn’t know he’s gay yet.

[@byakuyatogami2905]

Considering Lucas' modern content I would not be surprised (whether it was on purpose or by accident)

[@byakuyatogami2905]

@Dustin the Goosebumps fan yeah that's what I was implying. He's open about it now so it wouldn't surprise me if he coded Fred as gay either with or without knowing

[@TindraSan]

"I don't feel any threatening vibes of attraction or fascination from you, and I find that very attractive.

[@kakao6125]

@@TindraSan ahh no wonder

[@PrincessAshley972]

@@byakuyatogami2905 i can see at least some of it being completely by accident. Like, he just did it how he felt it should go and it came out coded gay

[@lizardperson7181]

The voice is annoying we all know, but the absolute intelligence of a 13 year old creating this character with its subtle implications that don’t outright tell us what we need to know, along with being a pioneer of KZbin becoming what it is today, is absolutely impressive. Lucas is an absolute creative genius!

[@introusas]

He can be so genuinely funny sometimes, lol

[@Dradeeus]

I gotta admit that scene where Fred was "piecing it together" with flashbacks of brazenly obvious clues and being outright told was pretty funny.

[@lillianward2810]

Agreed.

[@RickJoystick]

Disagreed.

[@anactualalpaca7016]

@@RickJoystick well that's just like your opinion, man

[@freya3217]

I lost it when he did a reverse American and assumed Georgia meant to the country and not the state.

[@The_Kenster]

"I don't actually remember filming any videos. Once the camera started rolling I would blackout as the spirit of Fred possessed my mortal body once again."

[@dracorex426]

My thoughts exactly.

[@DeltaOdyssey]

Fred vs. Shaggy, make it happen death battle

[@-_0PreppySmiles0_-]

Loswr

[@theruhandit1559]

@@DeltaOdyssey ima try contacting them

[@ironmantis778]

Diablo

[@clonemarine1]

I love the concept that Fred isn't aware of the American State of Georgia, but he IS intimately aware of Georgia, the formerly Soviet, East-European country.

[@prageruwu69]

tbf i was the same until like 3 years ago.

[@aw2584]

East European? You were doing so well mate, cmon

[@clonemarine1]

@@aw2584 Don't split hairs.

[@ToomyTheTurtle]

@@goroakechi6126 key word formerly…

[@stmsin]

Fred was born in the eastern bloc and his mother got him across the border first by running across the fields of Moscow dodging gunfire while using infant Fred as a shield

[@ScepticalAgnostic]

"Fred: The Show" has a poor reputation exclusively with people who have never watched it, and thus don't realize that it secretly has all the elements of a cult classic.

[@yanananami4425]

my thoughts exactly

[@jakobbruhspenning]

well that's entirely possible but as a child I got the irrisistable urge to change the channel when Fred: The Show was on so if a kid would rather listen to the radio then get a headache it failed as children's media.

[@ridleysomeliana-lauer5814]

Yeah, no? It wasn’t popular with people who watched it either. And cult classic? That’s fuckin funny.

[@Chibbykins]

that's a lot of words which say nothing.

[@milesparker557]

Before more people make asses of themselves by not getting a joke, this is a reference to something Quinton says in another video. (He might have also said it here, but I haven't finished it yet, so I'm not sure).

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

is it just me, or does Fred : The Show seem like a genuinely well written and enjoyable affair that is more creative than a lot of stuff Nick was putting out at the time?

[@Manticorn]

I am finding both it and even the animated series to be a surprisingly wholesome and pleasant watch. A lot of kid sitcoms are so mean-spirited and it just puts me in a bad mood.

[@pissip]

Looking into it a bit deeper I think that the stereotypes of the characters actually portray a really good lesson. You can see how Fred is seen as very annoying so not many people like him but the most important thing is that not many people like Kevin either. I think it's really important to know that most bullies aren't actually liked by the majority of a School population and seeing this acknowledged in TV show really sets up good morals for kids knowing that it's not fun to be the bully and that won't make you popular but also being a weird nerdy kid isn't really the best thing for your social life. Probably wasn't meant to be taken that way but I thought it was a really good message especially with most of that times media portraying bullies as the most popular kid in school when usually that's not the case.

[@roseaeries]

Its unironically good. I have good memories of it but also he makes some points about how the camera work was really dynamic and the stereotypical portrayals of characters broke the mold sometimes.

[@lilyhatesgoogle]

@@pissip you're so right and you should say it. i think the thing i love about kevin is that he's exactly like fred, he's not some popular kid who gets cheers when he bullies, he's just another little jerky guy in school who only has a few friends who like him as a person.

[@amaibambina]

Yeah, I think so too since I was like in the target audience when this show came out. Always thought Fred was like some live-action cartoon. This show is far better than most Nick sitcoms just for the fact there's no laugh track.

[@handstouchinghands]

"She has everything I'm looking for in a women: she's breathing, and she didn't run away when I smiled at her" how dare the delivery of this line be so funny

[@natcorrea7421]

How dare they make such a tragically relatable line-

[@thanatoast]

Why TF is Fred way more funny than i remember?

[@alexanderrodriguez5]

​@@thanatoast You grew up and realised that he was ahead of his time.

[@skirdus367]

I never thought I'd hear the words "lore", "timeline" and "canon" used to describe the Fred series

[@DarwinskiYT]

Or multiverse

[@doraeguyakaneddie6586]

Or "Story arc"

[@faeriefriend101]

Now all we need is Fred AUs

[@GmNdWtchr96]

@@faeriefriend101 Sorry, but... Fred-sona

[@justinwatson1510]

No

[@peter42liter93]

dude kevins actor is really the goat in every single fred property, that man is having the time of his life with the role of kevin and i am so here for it

[@enbeast8350]

I unironically laughed at "nerderer" because I have no sense of humor 😂

[@Fairygroveyt]

He actually didn't wanna be in the movies after a while.

[@-psilo-9071]

I commented very similar things, but people replied saying he hated the role, which really confused me cause he always does such a good job, and he genuinely seems like he's having fun, so idk it's weird. I'd love to see him in a role he actually likes if that's him in one he hates.

[@TheRealGuusMcgoose]

@@-psilo-9071no for realllll

[@pedrokz8.0]

"thanks Fred, for making me look like a tool" hit me like a truck

[@user-rl2jp2rl6v]

kevin and fred are THE representation we deserved

[@JinStreams]

The enemies to lovers arc we can all relate to

[@carolinea6769]

My takeaways: - Fred was the precursor to Filthy Frank - Kevin was secretly in love with Fred the whole time - The brand integration in Early Fred was actually really well done

[@PropheticShadeZ]

welcome to hour 3

[@skinnyzachfilms]

Has Filthy Frank ever referenced Fred?

[@Irapotato]

-Fred had a better 4th wall creator-meets-character moment than the Nostalgia Critic did

[@IcyDiamond]

@@Irapotato Lucas actually left his persona unlike Doug

[@IcyDiamond]

Plot Twist: Filthy Frank is a alternate universe Fred who’s Asian

[@dylant6522]

We are less than 10 minutes in and a kid unironically said “ROFLCOPTER” out loud while talking about a Hannah Montana concert. This is going to be a trip.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I was still too young in 2007 to be online like that, but by the time I learned about the term ROFLCOPTER, it was because Rhett and Link were making fun of it around 2010. I legit never knew it was used unironically til now.

[@JK-gm6kk]

Swoiswoiwoiswoi

[@chuckbatman5]

I haven't even heard ROFLCOPTER ironically since probably 2014, I don't think I've EVER heard it unironically

[@eyeconqueror1185]

Pretty sure roflcopter is ironic by design

[@TheFreepie]

To people too young to remember my understanding is the roflcopter term comes from an ASCII helicopter with propellers made out of the word "ROFL" that would be used a lot in forums (forums were like tumblr and reddit where you'd have threads about variety of subjects and people could reply) ASCII art being an easy form of image based humor where image embedding functionality within these sites wasn't the best

[@shuckacuck]

Him thinking he dug all the way to China, as poorly aged as it is, actually got a chuckle out of me.

[@markleyp03]

I think that joke holds up fine tbh, it's something a kid would think

[@gamerule18]

Yeah it's not really offensive like ooo asian people weird or anything Kinda mild, but cute

[@shakezula3316]

@gamerule18 not “asian people weird” but “asian = chinese”

[@q.h.s5051]

People need to stop complaining about things being "poorly aged" If that was the case then a good 70%+ of entertainment would be off limits

[@katc2040]

​@shakezula3316 I mean it's a child tho

[@allyu6]

I did not realize how dark the original Fred videos are nor how coherent the narrative is. It is much more creative and talented than I appreciated.

[@thegenericguy8309]

No one here's appreciating how good a joke 'She said she was from Georgia, leading Fred to assume she was a Soviet spy' is

[@Jason_Ultimate]

Between that and "Scratchy Throat" being a reference to the "Deep Throat" informant from Watergate, it's now canon that apparently Nickelodeon Fred is secretly a history buff despite being so dumb.

[@philismenko]

@@Jason_Ultimate but he misses out on the glaring inaccuracy of Lincoln being alive in the 1890s.

[@Jason_Ultimate]

@@philismenko Well I guess it's only 20th century history then.

[@WarriorPNG]

was Georgia a eastern bloc country i haven't brushed up on my history for a while

[@Jason_Ultimate]

@@WarriorPNG It's a country on the border of Europe and Asia, just south of the eastern-most part of Russia. It was annexed by Russia post-WWI and was part of the Soviet Union until 1991.

[@FissionCube]

i hope lucas watches this tbh, i feel like hed really appreciate someone actually putting so much time into this character he made on a whim as a kid, even if he himself has since moved past the character

[@girliboi]

not sure if/when he'll have time to watch, but he's definitely going to find out it's here (if he hasn't already)..

[@doperagu8471]

Agreed!

[@queerlibtardhippie9357]

@@girliboi HIS JOB IS LITERALLY REACTING TO STUFF LOL

[@progoofster]

He did

[@dreas5013]

@@progoofster is there a video response or?

[@tankgod54]

3:19:54 you can't just casually use the word "Figgleverse" three hours into this journey.

[@DinoLuhvr777]

BRO HAHAH

[@fable23]

Every Marvin Marvin clip makes me feel so bad for Lucas. It's like Nick had this really talented performer, effortlessly funny in a way that you can't teach, and all they could think of to do with him was just make Fred Again, but from space this time I guess.

[@andymcnamar2339]

it is actually kind of nice to hear that the team behind the fred movies actually wanted lucas to succeed and weren't just trying to get as much money out of his IP as possible.

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

it's amazing that, by the time the fred movies were being made, Lucas had not only developed his own multimillion dollar brand, but he was recognized critically by these producers as the truly great actor that he was. what an amazing and brilliant individual.

[@Manticorn]

funny that despite the black comedy of the original series, the story of Fred has been wholesome from beginning to end. I'll say that I always liked the Fred movie. It's great at family gatherings. It gets a laugh out of all ages.

[@maryamsamer1830]

@@bilbo_gamers6417 

[@brynniefresh9746]

the first fred movie is actually good and this makes sense to me...the people actually cared about the story even if it was thrown together a little

[@TyrellGames]

​@brynniefresh9746 i think the first fred makes sense as a joker style comedy where hes a deluded stalker, but the last scene where judy comes to his house kind of ruins it for me

[@turnonmyaxel]

Kevin being a bully because Fred brings out his internalised homophobia is lowkey interesting

[@alliej9201]

i'm screaming at this

[@smilesfordays]

😂

[@garrettbates9124]

“Kevin requested this one” 😳

[@sapnupua5]

wonder if irl crookshank had some internalized homophobia or just was playing with the idea and expressed it via the kevin character, lol

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@sapnupua5 He is gay himself.

[@novelezra]

Fred harassing people who 'stole' books from the library is fucking hilarious; A+ concept.

[@hannahm760]

okay but the "expired cow" bit in the TV show is so much funnier than it has any right to be

[@Kingdomheatsox2]

I can’t tell if Fred is Genius or if watching almost four hours of critical analysis of him has fucked up my sense of humour

[@ataraxia7439]

What is your icon pic?

[@superceleste5728]

This is been my existential crisis for the last 4 hours

[@xxthatsnotmexx]

It-it's genius...

[@Zlixlriffs]

It could be both

[@juliannah5721]

Holy shit I just realized how long this is

[@ShadaOfAllThings]

"The longer Fred continued to exist, the more he kept inventing Filthy Frank" FUCK, ITS TRUE THO

[@MrSkerpentine]

So does that mean modern pop star Joji made it big thanks to Fred’s death?

[@Talking_Ed]

Filthy Frank is literally a mushroom born from Fred warm body.

[@ToxPhy]

If Lucas played more characters like Joji did he probably would’ve been more fondly remembered. Imo the thing that made Frank enjoyable was all the side characters.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@ToxPhy He invented other characters, they just never went anywhere

[@MrSkerpentine]

@@ToxPhy Also lore. Cant forget that hot juicy lore

[@kylalee8737]

Oh my god for years ive had the memory of “man who is accused of being a vampire actually just digs mysterious holes in his backyard to make kimchi” but had NO IDEA where it came from, but now ive just learned it’s from fred 2?? 😭😭😭

[@chaosheaven23]

"I'm gonna get that cake, Fred." Bro I was literally died every single time.

[@TheAsexualJellyBean]

I honestly like the idea that the reason Fred's mom calls him "Ferdinand" in the movie is because she just forgets her own son's name.

[@elliejelly8815]

My mom calls my brother George when she forgets his name

[@casperchristiansen2458]

My guess is that he has no first name.

[@MR._3]

John Cena voice acted in a movie about a bull named Ferdinand

[@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zq]

or just didn't understand what Fred was short for

[@alexanderchippel]

@@elliejelly8815 Dude my gram does that to me.

[@Duplacorn]

Kevin running on “Fred literally broke into Judy’s house” is actually so unironically funny

[@gruntingskunk2237]

It’s so good.

[@nekobrokenangel8599]

1k likes and 2 comments

[@KissMyLocs]

Lol I died laughing at that part.

[@magusperde365]

Yeah I never expected Fred to actually have funny bits

[@catherineobvious8882]

time stamp?

[@kayd.1600]

One of the reasons Fred the Movie appealed to me as a kid was that I could relate to the idea of growing into a teenager and feeling like all of my peers had surpassed me in in terms of emotional maturity. I also feel like Derf represents the more mature side of him that develops with time and experience.

[@kenzieleigh2017]

John Cena playing his father WAS an iconic cultural moment, because it's literally the only thing I remember from the movie.

[@paulisaperson0516]

“The cake is baked with their baby, causing them to scream in horror. But sadly they realise that the cake tastes too good, and though their trauma they continue to consume their dead baby” legit a quote about Fred

[@SeymourDisapproves]

Harry Potter Puppet Pals vibes

[@NymphettEcho]

😂 😂 😂 I finally got to this point in the video

[@IcyDiamond]

Out of context that sounds dark as Hell and I love it

[@CherryHotSauce]

@@IcyDiamondprofile pic checks out lol

[@Wendigoon]

Fred is way more hilarious than I remember

[@chloeanesha6737]

In hindsight Fred really did have some gems, but at the time that was overshadowed by his ~flippy hair~

[@rackpinion4361]

Fred conspiracy tier list when

[@wifiwitch7694]

Oh hi dad

[@OutFreak28]

His pre tv videos are great.

[@reedthegr8andpowerfullm797]

I had the exact same thought

[@MaowMaow5]

You have to admit though the guy was a genius being able to create this content and get sponsors at such a young age. But truthfully I miss this goofy side of KZbin I feel like we need to bring it back 😭

[@TheYoungKilljoy]

Cringe culture won't allow that

[@tr3vk4m]

@@TheYoungKilljoy just ignore it

[@wowjennawow]

the part about kevin’s mom’s story being progressive was a FANTASTIC joke that did not go unnoticed. you’re a legend

[@juliamavroidi8601]

I don't get it, lol

[@tonybologna.469]

@@juliamavroidi8601 Kevin’s mom’s actor also plays flo from the progressive ads

[@no1legobatmanfan]

@@tonybologna.469OH MY GOD

[@darkdest6664]

@@tonybologna.469 i knew she looks familiar i couldn't place it though tysm

[@-chippedstars-2889]

I can't help but feel bad for Lucas. He made this character as a kid and no one let him expand past Fred. He was stuck with this annoying high pitched child character while he ages past the age its funny.

[@ashleyjackson4266]

I litterly watch him and his brothers videos all the time I love Lucas and jacob now

[@ericamaya2467]

But he's doing it for fun at this point. He definitely has enough money to settle and stop. I think he just has an attachment to his creation.

[@brit2667]

@@ericamaya2467 he stopped years ago lol

[@Korrin69]

I don't think of him as him idk maybe cause I'm too young to grow up with fred so I just think of him as a gay legend.

[@gracestorm1167]

I love Lucas’s videos now they are so funny and awesome

[@SadNYGuy]

"You can't just put little kids in cages" FRED was ahead of his time

[@fumothfan9]

Bruh 😂😂😭😭💀💀💀

[@adrenalinevan]

"I was watching Fred and I saw those little kids in cages, and I thought, 'that looks... not so bad...'" - Donald Trump

[@CyanCoat]

@@adrenalinevan "I'll do that IRL"

[@elltell1990]

@@adrenalinevan Fred was Donald's Dad...

[@Ryebread06]

@@adrenalinevan "I saw it in Fred, I didn't know no better 😭"

[@NidorinoAlliance]

I actually laughed out loud when it was cutting to all the “clues” for the bank robber, and they’re more obvious until it shows him explicitly saying “For the last time I’m not a driving instructor. I’m a bank robber”. They get mileage out of Fred being that gullible. Decent show.

[@nateds7326]

Fred is like the real life version of one of those immortal beings in fictional stories that just pops up where ever there's a major historical event(you know the type of guy who saw Pompeii burn to the ground and the Great Wall of China being built). He just pops up everywhere and it's bizzare.

[@mctheplaywright]

I know that John Cena‘s relationship to Fred is already covered in this video, but as John Cena is currently on an absolutely crazy upward turn as an actor thanks to his shocking well received performance as Peacemaker in James Gunn’s Suicide Squad universe, I think it bears repeating. John Cena started acting because the WWE asked him to do it as a way of marketing their brands. And he didn’t enjoy Acting until finding the fun while doing Fred. He has gone on record in modern interview saying that Fred was the moment where he realize he actually enjoyed acting. It took him over a decade to actually find a Director who could use him properly like he was used in Fred, but we wouldn’t have the peacemaker character without Fred the movie.

[@annest.5356]

amazing piece of trivia, from start to finish, thank you!

[@RemusHolt]

I would just like to say my favorite John Cena role is him in playing with fire he’s really sweet and fun in it and it’s that story where big intimidating guy becomes a father figure it’s amazing

[@randomtraveler4149]

@@RemusHolt Yeah, it was a sweet movie.

[@theblackswordsman5039]

@@randomtraveler4149 no it’s not, it’s terrible, like genuinely terrible

[@randomtraveler4149]

@@theblackswordsman5039 Okay and that's your opinion I haven't seen it in a while, but I have fond memories. As long as a movie provides enjoyment, I don't think it can be genuinely terrible.

[@guuuuiiiinnnnssss56]

Wild how looking back on this dude he was actually really smart and self-aware for a 13 year old. Like where was I when I was 13, trying to get free toontown memberships off of KZbin and accidentally giving my PC a virus

[@brennan_]

honestly! I was shocked hearing some of those bits in the early KZbin videos again, like some of those jokes are about as good as what professional TV writers would come up with in that era.

[@amalija11]

Lmaoo toontown... do you play Toontown Rewritten?

[@guuuuiiiinnnnssss56]

@@amalija11 YES and I was absolutely scalped to learn that I didn’t have to pay for anything

[@dio1803]

trans abbacchio pfp i would die for you

[@jacobali333]

Relieved to know I wasn't the only stupid kid who messed up a computer because I wanted free stuff in a game XD

[@myguitarwantstokillyourmama]

Fred saying "shut up and just let the president handle it" made me laugh so hard. I can't believe this many years have gone by and i still think Fred is fvcking hilarious

[@torumakalig5692]

In case anyone else was wondering: Yes, the actress playing Kevin’s mother is indeed the Flo Progressive lady.

[@salt3685]

holy shit

[@Wishes2witches]

WHAT

[@locus2427]

wait what

[@pinkopat]

How does it feel to be one of the leading Fred Figglehorn historians?

[@alicethetransdalek7333]

"one of" implies that someone else has made a documentary as/more extensive than this one. i need a link

[@pinkopat]

@@alicethetransdalek7333 sadly the world of accademia is inaccessible, thus the extensive research done on Fred Figgelhorn remains mostly hidden in research libraries

[@xoxoshaneandmexoxo]

This just makes me want a chrischan video which should not be made

[@lillyrichter3383]

@@xoxoshaneandmexoxo There’ve been countless essay/documentary style videos made about Chris, including a nearly 60 part long series by GenoSamuel2.1. If that’s what you mean.

[@amesstarline5482]

Figglehistorians, you mean?

[@utopiaoverture]

I love how out of Fred, ICarly and Victorious you’ve seemed to enjoy watching Fred the most

[@farshnuke]

Because he's the one one kid written by an actual kid.

[@pweefypweef4089]

And hes the only kid whose life wasn't put through hell of the most disgusting and darkest variety, by a Nickolodeon producer.

[@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zq]

Because no one got molested on the set of Fred

[@redneckwalrus6694]

@@pweefypweef4089 what are you talking about, icarly and victorious dont have producers?

[@corypowercat7277]

Agreed and I used to watch all three. ALSO does anyone remember the crossover between ICarly and Fred?

[@TylerPlayGame]

Maybe it's nostalgia but I still find some of the pre-Nickelodeon Fred videos to be funny. I still remember the first time I saw Fred Goes Swimming and just how much joy it brought me. I wish Lucas all the best in life

[@ApolloK]

The animated Fred show genuinely has not only the best writing and characterisation of the Fred media from that particular era, but a genuinely wonderful art style and animation that kind of amazes and delights me

[@snazzy9175]

The sentence "This is *a* Fred who exists somewhere in the Figgleverse" felt like a punch in the face

[@kaylaisnothere4397]

The term "Figgleverse" being so boldly coined like that made me have to take a break

[@tensnakesandacat2108]

3:19:50

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

@@tensnakesandacat2108 Not all heroes wear underwear

[@fable23]

I think the reason why Fred the TV Show holds up so well is because it's actually... _nice._ It is a fundamentally _kind_ show. This is especially clear after watching the iCarly video. Fred the show has none of the casual comedic cruelty that defined iCarly and so much other Nickelodeon content during that period. Sure, it made fun of its characters, but ultimately it always came back around to being sympathetic towards them. And unlike iCarly, instead of paying lipservice to celebrating weirdness while the narrative punished anyone who was actually weird, it _truly_ celebrated weirdness, something that was kind of unavoidable given how deeply weird the Nick version of Fred actually was. And in this world of cynicism, cringe culture, and anonymous cruelty, a show that lets its characters be truly, deeply weird and then loves them all anyway... that's a refreshing change of pace.

[@skylarsfunfilms]

Agreed

[@youtube.handle69]

It reminded me of the vibe of pete and pete sometimes, but a more hyper version if that makes sense. That show was a unique treasure

[@diamondmatter2919]

I think this is the same reason Nickelodeon Fred somehow reminds me of early SpongeBob.

[@regularjoe5517]

This is one of the reasons I like Fred so much (from what I’ve seen in this video) I’ve always felt like a deeply strange or weird person compared to society’s standards of “normal” and Fred seems like a series that doesn’t relentlessly bash him for being so odd. It makes me feel like I’m just another person, not some weird alien pretending to be human

[@obabytutu6008]

Did I just read a novel in KZbin comments… yes I did

[@woodpigeonsong]

John Cena has always been a kind guy and his genuine interest in doing Fred for me is an example of that

[@blackheartmargo3429]

I really do hope we get a big time rush retrospective at some point, that show was incredibly underrated tbh

[@BringusWingus]

I’m surprised by how many times I’ve laughed at Fred jokes through this video. As a kid I wrote Fred off as a high-pitched screaming annoyance, but there’s some actual gold throughout the entire Fred canon.

[@muticere]

I think a lot of us were shown only the most annoying stuff (the high-pitched screaming vids for example that Quinton kindly excluded from this one). The show was never pitched to us as something that could be good.

[@arthurdurham]

@@muticere Exactly. It shows, especially on the internet, how much people's perception of something can often be based on the opinions of others without ever actually experiencing the thing being critiqued

[@EternallyEve]

The Buzz/Flapper joke got me good.

[@AwesomeTuba14]

@@EternallyEve me too. I literally laughed hard out loud at that clip

[@benjireil4243]

thank you BringusWingus, your wisdom has inspired me todayy

[@sassyhulk7685]

As a high schooler in the mid-late 2000s, I avoided all things Fred. Now as a thirty year old, I just watched a video longer than James Cameron's Titanic about the character. Life is strange.

[@IcyDiamond]

It sure is :)

[@NatetheNerdy]

I was in middle school during peak Fred, and I hated him. Yet here I am, enjoying the video with you.

[@yellville]

You too, huh? So much of what I watch on YT is commentary on media I've never seen.

[@Sb129]

Indeed it is

[@weirdofromhalo]

I never even heard of Fred in high school lmao

[@valkyrievinters5258]

33:52 You know? Though I realize it wasn’t on purpose, but the slow pace of the show and over explaining jokes was actually so helpful to me when I was seriously learning English as a third language. Something about it took such strong hold of my teenage brain I couldn’t help but learn how people talk and ace my exams based on gut feeling alone. It wasn’t the only thing I used to teach myself English (books and video games were huge contributors too), but it sticks out because of the absolute obsession I had with this creation.

[@click_beatty_]

Congratulations 🎉

[@weik-2936]

honestly, i think the Fred tv show is kinda good, like, it not worse than any of the other kids sitcoms coming at around the same time, and its definitly better than 90% of anything that's come out since

[@weik-2936]

I just realized its the lack of a laugh track, that alone puts it ahead

[@barboraklepalova3886]

I just binged it and it really fun

[@Olivia-ot6up]

i wasn't expecting a gay enemies-to-lovers plotline in a Nickelodeon tv show that i didn't know about based on a youtube series i barely know about, but here i am and yknow what?? im kinda here for it

[@doraeguyakaneddie6586]

I wasn't expecting Fred to have a Harem

[@Rawrz013]

this is the best explanation ive seen for fred and kevins relationship. thank you

[@puffandflip]

If it helps, Lucas once said in one of his more recent videos that Fred and Kevin definitely had something going on

[@beckettericsson2554]

even better: childhood best friends to enemies to lovers

[@mmmghool]

Frevin / Kred 4 life

[@KurganMacLeod]

"The animated Fred series has an episode dealing with Islamaphobia" was not the information I expected to learn today, but honestly it should have been.

[@IcyDiamond]

Fred is teaching us not to be racist since he’s a huge chad

[@happpyhypocrite]

Fred was a work of genius. Anyone who called it annoying was either jealous or didn't understand the sheer genius behind it.

[@darkdest6664]

i just personally find his voice grating. From watching the lore breakdown in this video im amazed by how well "loud dorky squeaky kid" WROTE his stories and I do hope that maybe someday hell write stuff like his own Tv shows, because he has an eye for detail most ppl today just dont.

[@kkulhannie]

never in my life did i think that this 3 and a half hour video about fred would become my latest hyperfixation.... when i say that this has altered my worldview i am so serious. an incredibly well-researched video with fantastic insight and analysis that i could not have even dreamed of. fred truly is a fallen titan and the impact that the character has had on the internet and modern psyche is incredible. thank you for this video - it has altered my brain chemistry something chronic

[@callumg3330]

The fact that Lucas blacked out and doesn’t remember any of his Fred performances after 2010

[@blackphoenix77]

Is blacked out a synonym for being wasted on drugs?

[@callumg3330]

@@blackphoenix77 apparently he just doesn’t remember the act of playing Fred in the 2010s, like a traumatic experience

[@gamongames]

...sure I too dont remember a single cringy thing I did in my teens. they just magically vanished from my mind

[@Niagaranobs]

Trauma.

[@mattmarino3781]

Cocaine's a helluva drug

[@foxdeanda1716]

this is what i've taken away from this video: - Fred is actually a very interesting and creative series and Lucas is a phenomenal performer - Kevin definitely has had repressed feelings for Fred the whole time - we all must submit to Expired Cow for eternal salvation

[@gamerule18]

A-fuckblasting-men Ok maybe not THAT agreed. But I agree on some level

[@daresaryan8229]

I want to give this a thumbs up but I don't want to mess up the 666 😅

[@Antwon22]

we must obey the cow or he shall take our cake

[@theycallmeboo208]

@@Antwon22 I'm gonna get that cake, Fred.

[@lydthekid9021]

I completely agree

[@maia4009]

I think our perception of Fred was warped by the Fred videos that were more memorable, which were mainly the annoying ones, but looking back on it it was actually a pretty clever dark comedy concept. I am pretty familiar with Fred Lore because of another youtuber that reviewed the movies (albeit in a much more negative light), and a critique from that youtuber that I've seen replicated a lot is that Fred's background is too dark and that it seems out of place for a kid's show and I kind of agreed. However, now I realize that that was the point all along, the backstory is supposed to feel dark and out of place in contrast with Fred's childlike persona. Lucas even at his young age managed to create something really special and creative, it's sad that so many people are so quick to disparage his work and talent.

[@RemusHolt]

Honestly him talking about starting the iCarly video at the end of this feels kind of like watching the main character go into the basement in a horror movie I want to warn him but I can’t 💜

[@johnthomason9980]

"Kevin decides that if Fred wants to babysit, then He Will Be The Baby" There is *simply* no heterosexual explanation for this.

[@larsnyman2455]

In the words of that guy from Yakuza 2, “Let’s pacify this bitch”

[@Im_Arty]

The guy who plays Fred (Lucas) is actually gay

[@Linkbrawler9000]

@@larsnyman2455 Fred Figglehorn, Patriarch of the Figglehorn Family

[@marocat4749]

Ship it?!

[@gypsywoman9140]

@@marocat4749 Many people in Lucas's comments section seem to, whenever Fred is mentioned. Never understood it til now, as I was too old to get into the annoying-voice trend (Fred, Annoying Orange, SpongeBob...)

[@griffin1155]

he really said “the fred multiverse” with a completely straight face

[@chainslawterhd8904]

Into the Figgleverse

[@mail4mattmt]

I'm not gonna lie Fred the TV Show is one of the most interesting creative works I've heard of in a while.

[@MaddhouseKB]

The thing that is most surprising to me is the insertion of political commentary that goes completely unrecognized by anyone when thinking of Fred. Especially the cartoon. I’m pretty blown away by the black Jesus joke, the positive representation of incarcerated people, pro-immigrant dialogue.

[@owene869]

I haven’t gotten to the cartoon yet but I’m blown away by Quinton showing Fred’s mentioning of the 2008 recession and presidents.

[@peasandmashedpotatoes6246]

it’s an interesting contrast to how shane dawson’s content was so racist/sexist/homophobic/bad.

[@doubtful_seer]

@@peasandmashedpotatoes6246 see, as someone who was 14 when KZbin first began and 17 in 2008, that’s what I was glad to see. I hate when people point to Shane and go "oh, that was the humor then, everyone was horrible, you were all horrible people with racist jokes." Like. No. That shit wasn’t funny then except to people who thought American Pie was the height of cinema, or actual children. Green Day was popular because their songs were protesting the Bush presidency’s war policies, and we were pretty widely as a generation demanding change. It makes me glad to see a small representation of _that_ shown, even in the small space of a Fred clip. I get so annoyed when people act like Shane was our cultural icon, as if we weren’t writing constantly cross-platforms to inform people about *why* his jokes were horrible, and not just in a bad joke way. It was harder to "cancel" someone then because of how the internet was, but, ugh, sorry, don’t know where I was going with this. lol

[@trashwithanxiety2922]

@@peasandmashedpotatoes6246 yeah, it actually kinda proves how shane dawson's isn't really as simple as "a product of his time", because fred had edgy humour that was popular during that era but it wasn't the terribly disgusting stuff that shane did.

[@LordofFullmetal]

Right?? I'm realising watching some of this content back that Lucas was actually... pretty progressive, for his time. A lot of his jokes in that time period, written by anyone else, would've been super racist. The girl (cause we're meant to think it's a girl, at that point) in the burka would've just been a terrorist, and that would've been the joke. But he goes the opposite way; he makes fun of people who make that assumption, not the girl herself.

[@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks]

I never got into Fred because I’m sensitive to high-pitched sounds. But as a creative writing minor I have to say what surprises me the most about this is how well this series introduces the concept of an unreliable narrator in a way that is accessible to tweens

[@MiloKuroshiro]

And written and planned by a kid and only a kid for quite a while! That's really impressive.

[@diamond_dogs]

That was my favorite part about it. It was darkly comedic

[@firesd7306]

(For context I knew nothing about Fred before this) For everything pre- Fred the movie I was really into it. I desperately wanted more of this character, because a story about a kindergartener being abused from the perspective of that kindergartener sounds and is so interesting to me. Especially the implications of how Fred was dealing with that through what I could only describe as delusions. I was so desperately hoping that it would continue, but deep down I knew that big companies just saw it as a way to get more money through topical references. Genuinely the saddest part was how little and insignificant the original story became to writers. I want more pre-nick Fred!

[@watsonwrote]

Was not expecting to leave this video shipping Fred and Kevin and wondering if Lucas would have been down to write it that way after coming out

[@chromiumex2384]

The seriousness with which you said ‘figgleverse’ fucking sent me

[@IcyDiamond]

Nice profile picture!

[@chromiumex2384]

@@IcyDiamond thanks!

[@cthulhud0nuts]

I think one point of The Fred Show that I quite like is that like… his house looks and *feels* like a real house, even more grounded Disney/Nick shows feel incredibly fake but his house genuinely looks almost like they just walked into some family’s house and started filming. The school even looks a lot more real than other shows.

[@danielgraham1082]

Because they’re real they weren’t sets

[@samu-chan]

so true

[@corypowercat7277]

I wish my school was like the school on ICarly. (Speaking of school sets.)

[@snapple5950]

I mean since he's a young kid on KZbin, this was probably true at least in the beginning before he got a bunch of money.

[@oxxy6678]

Yes. Because they are filming in a house. Why would you use a set when Fred literally takes place in a normal house

[@moezfoez]

Kevin and fred were definitely the end goal Even lucas says that when he talks about fred LOL

[@Catelaaa]

Me at the start “3 hours wtf?! so unnecessary” me after 3 hours “i need to go in depth on these subjects. I became a fan of Lucas like a year ago cause he’s funny and somehow had missed the whole Fred thing, this is the anthology i needed to like catch up and get the inside jokes on his channel

[@RohanAgrawalpeepeepoopoo]

Top 10 Characters That Can Beat Thanos: 1. Expired Cow

[@IcyDiamond]

Thanos: I know your weakness Expired Cow: No you don’t Thanos! Give up now and give me the stones Thanos: *Uses the reality stone to summon a trombone* Expired Cow: Impossible! Thanos: *Starts playing the trombone very badly* Expired Cow: NOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@RohanAgrawalpeepeepoopoo]

@@IcyDiamond I guess Expired Cow won't get that cake

[@elltell1990]

"I'm gonna get those stones, Thanos!"

[@FinntheSquire]

You mean Thanos from fortnite?

[@IcyDiamond]

@@FinntheSquire Can’t believe they put that guy into a movie

[@technotenor0487]

There's no way the script told Kevins actor to say "Dude I said I was sorry for hitting on your mom." whether he loved the role or not, this guy should be a superstar.

[@Megalizz2468]

That was SO. FUNNY.

[@wildercerrate7295]

If I remember correctly he was in "It Follows" and really helped establish the premise dude is a great actor

[@lilyhatesgoogle]

dude that guy was the funniest possible portrayal of that character, every time he said anything i couldnt stop cackling

[@didi1513]

timestamp?

[@AyrisX86]

@@didi1513 2:33:00

[@tatorick9002]

I always felt that there was something quite dark and unsettling about Fred as a kid and I was never really a big fan. I remember the thought dawning on mw when I watched one of his videos about how he only eats mushrooms fried in butter because his mother is neglectful and doesn't feed him properly. Ironically I love mushrooms with butter now. Solely because of that episode.

[@dogbert1440]

1:54:34 this moment is so much funnier and hits so much harder after binging through every video in the nickelodeon miniseries and thinking "welp, time to time travel back and finally watch the fred video as a nice escape from the madness!"

[@LucasOberg]

Dude SAME, literally just finished the entire series/half rewatched the first. I put this video off for so long (for the same unreviewed biases of youth as most people) and it sent me

[@hannahbeanies8855]

So Fred’s mom saying “he can’t take therapy if their family secrets are exposed” is waaaaay too realistic 😳

[@929er13]

fr. I'm sure my family never let me get therapy because they were worried of the consequences it'd have on them and the way they portray themselves in front of others

[@jasonfrancis9262]

My school put me into therapy and my mum would coach me on what I wasn't allowed to talk about and tell me that it was stupid and that I should try to get out of it as quickly as possible. In hindsight that's a fucking red flag.

[@ashleyabdalla57]

NO CUZ SAME tell me why my mom didnt want me to go to therapy cuz she was scared social services would take me away??? HUH??

[@self-esteem-nightmare-drea8452]

@@ashleyabdalla57 SAME LIKE MAYBE YOU SHOULD EVALUATE YOUR OWN ACTIONS IF YOU'RE WORRIED MY THERAPIST WILL REPORT YOU IF I TALK ABOUT MY HOME LIFE

[@sarahartzell5828]

@@jasonfrancis9262 that really is. my school put me in therapy bc i called a girl gay i second grade- my mom ended up taking me out bc she said that i was lying about her

[@immortalandundead5554]

why did fred putting fake evidence in an attempt to make his mom look less terrible make me so actually sad. 2 hours into this video i think i’ve finally be broken mentally. why do i actually care about fred. where am i. what’s going on

[@Keke_Poutri]

Same lmao Fred's story is actually insane and i'm actually invested into his character, oh God

[@Thobeian]

I'm right there with you. This review has me disoriented and confused. Drugs help.

[@dominikblack8943]

I didn't realize how long the video was until I read "2 hours in." Damn I'm in for a treat

[@JohnWildeFF]

3:22:07 I can't tell you why but this part fascinates me the most. He seems to be so fed up, that he seriously did THIS to his creation and something about that really speaks to me. It's not only dark and disturbing but also almost gives me the impression of some kind of self-destructive behavior... I know I sound weird right now, but it's somehow psychologically fascinating to me.

[@gnitpeohseluj]

I actually prefer the dark ending. The early YT videos were about a kid who clearly had no idea what was going on around him and had anger outbursts and delusions as coping mechanisms. Seeing his mother "stand on corners" and drink all the time, it makes sense he'd cope the same way she did in his adulthood, yet sustaining a warped perspective as a form of self defense (and a signature stroke of the Fred character).

[@DASandwichGuyYT]

The Kevin/Fred ship on the show is really silly and I love it

[@bloodexgle]

I’m ashamed of how much I laughed at “I’m hiding under a Toyota. It’s a sports utility vehicle.”

[@inyrui]

that was legitimately hilarious lol

[@inyrui]

29:11

[@Lucifersfursona]

I feel like it’s never been holistically unfunny, there was a little potential in there. Unfortunately it was also the 00/10s and internet comedy was simply and truly vile 😂 Edit: I mean it was just the current social culture with the new concepts of being able to scream anonymously anything you think at any time really, really fast; we all had boomer humor and didn’t know it, racism was there,

[@Sorrelhas]

Fred had legitimately clever moments, but sadly it was mostly held back by being a product of it's time

[@femmefuntime]

I laughed at the cabbage...idk why

[@glitchedsushi]

Gotta admit that “you can’t spell friend without Fred” is a nice slogan

[@thanatoast]

You can't spell fluoride either apparently.

[@scoutman66]

Can't spell fired without Fred either

[@lelenotkamillan943]

@@thanatoast Fred is anti-yellow-teeth /j

[@elfey7771]

On a different note- Ur pfp fricking love it

[@helflower2025]

“Man, that sounds… dubious, at best” is such a great line 😂

[@datboirandom9618]

Am I the only one who’d like to see a Fred and Brandon Rogers collab. It surely would be pure chaos.

[@erinnichols531]

I honestly feel really bad for Lucas looking back at all this. All he wanted was to be recognized as a talented performer and move away from the Fred character, but they just kept pushing for Fred more and more. I personally would love to see him in some more mature roles.

[@vanity7182]

He’s a really good actor he just got out in really bad roles after fred then he kind of gave up on acting

[@arareanddifferenttune3130]

His YT channel is poppin tho!

[@authenticallyarielleiman]

@@arareanddifferenttune3130 right! I love him and his brother Jacob

[@John12494]

He deserves a Robert Pattison style arc. Just start staring in insanely indie art projects and then land a leading role in like an MCU lol.

[@nukamolly]

@@arareanddifferenttune3130he’s genuinely very funny. fred got tired after a while, but i was 13 at the same time as him - so i thought the original youtube series was funny. then it just got old and unfunny after a while. lucas himself though is hysterical and i’m proud of him.

[@scottyb8392]

I don't know, maybe he's just a really good character actor, I've never seen him in anything else, but KEVIN... Why is Kevin so great? That man is IN CHARACTER. He believes he IS Kevin. Love that guy.

[@jaybee27D]

He was in it follows and I knew I recognized him from somewhere.

[@joehollingsworth4502]

He was one of the homophobic bullies who beat up the gay couple at the start of It: Chapter 2. It was very bizarre.

[@PhantomKing88]

@@joehollingsworth4502 It Part 2 was odd in general

[@HumanTimeCapsule]

this dude rules

[@IcyDiamond]

Someone remake Cool Cat and have Jake Weary (Kevin’s Actor) play Butch The Bully

[@TheRPGNerd]

we not gonna talk about how disney made a series called "my babysitter's a vampire" after fred made a song of the same name

[@Lexivor]

I'd never even heard of Fred Figglehorn before I watched this video. Fascinating to see how big a phenomenon he was for children at the time.

[@theundeadcactus6194]

me as a kid: omg fred is the funniest thing ever! me at 13: ew no fred is so childish me now at 17: how did i go this long without understanding the complex lore of this broken character, how we slowly witness his fall into madness as his world bends around him?

[@postrachsmietnikow]

Cringe culture truly took so much from us

[@JacobHG1234]

you at 35 - In prison for Fredding off in public

[@shmems96]

This is my favorite comment ever

[@loganiushere]

LOL

[@Keke_Poutri]

Same bro, I felt this 😂

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

Lucas was a great actor. Not to mention the fact that he reported being tired between every scene because he switched from screaming for a minute at a time on KZbin to entire monologues. He's done so good.

[@noelaguirrechavez4462]

Him doing the voices on the Hannah Montana episode made me think that.

[@moosevelt9148]

For what it's worth, it's good that Fred existed. I remember watching the videos, the movies, and the show, and at the very least, I can't say anything that horrible about it. Overall, Fred represented the outcasts, and the individual creators adapting successfully to youtube. I hope in 20 years we still have an archive, at least for the time capsule of early youtube. Also, I could be wrong, but I have a memory of an episode where Fred is reading a letter from his father, who was in the middle of breaking out of jail, with shots filmed in a random forest with a man in an orange jumpsuit at a medium to long distance. Point was, you never saw his face.

[@blissfuldj7627]

the bully in the fred show had genuinely excellent lines

[@MurderousEagle]

hbomberguy: *makes feature length documentary about the start of the antivaxx movement* Quinton: *kicks down door* AMATEUR

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

If I don't hear within the first hour that Fred was crucial to constructing the alt-right pipeline or something I'm out

[@NoahMonroe_]

When the weird part of Serious Lore Analysis is the subject of the vid and not the creator

[@icekitty11]

well there was the 2 and a half hour RWBY video

[@poilaaliop]

My fiance and I watched all 6 hours of that one deep retrospective of the iconic Japanese visual novel Tokimeki Memorial. Not sure if it was worth it, but we still talk about that video all the time.

[@Yworrychill]

@@poilaaliop that video is so good

[@prttyvacant7427]

I never expected John Cena to perfectly explain the modern impact of the internet & its ability to grow a platform for people.

[@mediocreatbest9203]

that part was honestly so wholesome and genuine

[@Kikker861]

He's a legend for a reason. Even when we meme caption him when he speaks mandarin, he's a legend.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Honestly, Fred Figglehorn was an occasional part of my childhood.

[@djyua9157]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@justcommoncurt]

Right? I felt so goddamn patriotic after that...and I'm canadian.

[@jac8680]

50:22 just want to highlight the brief moment Quinton’s soul leaves his body when he unexpectedly hears the voice of Fred Figglehorn emanating from that doll

[@Avalinara]

I wish I could add a like to a video every time I go back and rewatch it. Because this whole series has become good comfort content for the background when I don’t know what I want to watch