The Return of Gwen Dawson | Downton Abbey

Mrs. Harding (Gwen Dawson) returns to Downton Abbey in unexpected circumstances.
Clip from Season 6, Episode 4: Anna and Mary face a crisis and a figure from the past surprises those above and below stairs.
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[@audioliquor]

Just want to point out how kind Isobel is in this scene. She kept trying to bring it back to the positive and not let Gwen feel less than.

[@olivier3516]

She’s always been like this ! Her progressive views have helped the family throughout the seasons imo

[@m.layfette6249]

I really appreciate how they brought Gwen and Sybil's story full circle in the final season. Once Gwen left Downton we never really hear anything else about her, stay for a mention in Season 4 when she writes to Anna that she's getting married. Sybil went above and beyond to help Gwen change her life...for the better. Their friendship was so sweet and inspiring. Tom was right in earlier seasons saying that "none was a free as my Sybil."

[@Sunny25611]

I agree ❤️

[@darylmoore3655]

L

[@ladyterrestrial1679]

Agree 💯 I’ve very recently talked my sister into watching the show and I can’t wait to talk to her about everything and especially the whole Gwen and Sybil story as Sybil reminds me so much of my sister. I’ve been telling her this for years and to watch the show! lol

[@rosequartz4102]

Absolutely, this is one of my absolute favorite parts❤️

[@angeldsouza777]

Agree 👍🏾 Sybil's beautiful heart lived on & on 🥰

[@DeepSeas..]

I love how everything Thomas does backfires lmao

[@AT87]

I love this scene so much, I loved that we got to see how Gwen was doing, that the show got an excuse to talk about Sybil and remind us (and the characters) of her kindness... and of course, petty Thomas.

[@whatever007ism]

This scene gave my goosebumps. It shows how throughout history there have always been people born with eyes on the future. My favorite kind of people, always looking forward while living in the present.

[@mahimusicals]

Such a lovely thought!

[@Ernie1978]

This is one of my favourite scenes of the show. Gwen returning to Downton and giving Lady Sybill the credit for her success was a true lesson of gratitude and class. They had a lovely friendship. Rose Leslie was phenomenal on the show!

[@SjofnBM1989]

Toms smile when Gwen told everyone about Sybil. He was so proud of his late wife ♥️

[@pawnshopleo]

It was such a sweet and unexpected moment, get to see that Gwen got good in life and being able to remember how beautiful soul and angel Sybil was as a person, Tom's bright eyes and cute smile when Sybil was mentioned was quite emocional for me. And as a third gift, seeing that Thomas bad intentions and jealousy didn't work out how he wanted to. Oh gosh, i miss this show so much!

[@MelissaBaker.]

It's back on netflix and a second movie is coming out in march, so you can indulge some more ;-)

[@pawnshopleo]

@@MelissaBaker. Yess! I've rewatched it some months ago and the movie is so great, I'm literally countiny the days for de new one ;)

[@judynichols2904]

Thomas sounds like somebody with a huge chip on his shoulder .But in the new movie he is likeable ,they should stay in character ,not change them just for a movie ! i

[@coffeebean8790]

I loved Gwen’s return! The only thing that could have made it better would be a scene of Gwen meeting Sybbie.

[@gbrown2984]

This is, especially, one of my favorite scenes. Such range. Gwen's character is a far cry from Ygritte in Game of Thrones. So Talented.

[@aaryalouise6391]

I totally love Tom in this scene. His eyes say everything

[@nanouklezaf4273]

"What a lovely way to remember her" Indeed ♥ Also why do I feel like Mary was trying to save Thomas from his pettiness (that she shared at first because she felt offended that Gwen did not say earlier that she used to work here and probably because despite her liberalism she is still surprised by such social uprising). Gwen's story and the memory of Sybil softens her and she's trying to say to Thomas "do as I do, we're fine in the end". These two are each other's alter ego in their social behaviours.

[@philippschmidt80]

I thought Mary was annoyed that Gwen lied to her, Mary recognized her and just couldn't place her but Gwen was like "Nope, you've never seen me before". This might also have been what set Barrow off, to him it probably was confirmation that Gwen thought she was better than her former coworkers.

[@maryschroeder1533]

@@philippschmidt80 Thank you!

[@msg4141]

@@philippschmidt80 But Gwen didnt actually say "nope you haven't seen me before", did she? I can fully understand why she didn't first mention that she worked there as a housemaid - she knew how she would have been perceived by them. It was taboo for below stairs to think above their station and Interesting that she worked for them for two years. Interesting that not one of them recognised her ...

[@toygurl]

Later on… Mary contemplates and confides to Anna about how she feels guilty and feels herself less, and Sybil is so much more and better than her.

[@xamurai00]

Thank you Julian fellows for such a magnificent series.

[@kimc555]

I find it quite telling that Gwen hadn’t mentioned to her husband that she worked at the house they were visiting. That sort of climb of social class still wasn’t common and the scene shows the awkwardness of it all. To verbally acknowledge that staff at a house may never have spoken to the family, while it sounded harsh, it was the reality. Before the war, if it had been know Gwen came from a life of service, the family may have not been so kind to her.

[@l.n.3372]

But Gwen said her husband knew she was a former housemaid, I think. So she wasn't hiding her past life of service. She just didn't say that she used to work at this particular house, for this particular family.

[@cantbelieveitsnotredacted1117]

Thomas deserved that. Who knows if she would’ve said hello before she left? The issue I have with Thomas is that he screws everyone around him and gets upset when it comes back to bite him. Deep down he’s better than that, but the bitterness of his situation makes him into a jealous, manipulative person.

[@tafallout6172]

Is he really better than that? A better person wouldnt be cruel just bc of their own situation.

[@seanbarker3820]

...*is* he better than that? He does it all the time

[@rjules1083]

I actually think he was right to call her out. And if he didn’t Gwen probably wouldn’t have mention how Sybil was the one who helped her get to where she is. I agree his motives might not have been the best, but the truth is the truth.

[@virginiasmiles8865]

this brought so much warmth into my heart. I always liked gwen and her storyline and I was so excited to see her again and reflect on it

[@ginadisbrow9324]

Pow! Way to go Mary for throwing what Barrow meant as an embarrassment for Gwen right upside his head!👏😂💪

[@hieuscottle2494]

Well, she was joining in with him at first until Gwen mentioned Sybil. Later on, she chastises herself for being mean to Gwen at first, as she should have. Mary was awful but had a true soft spot for Sybil.

[@tafallout6172]

@@hieuscottle2494 Mary seems like a trash person to most ppl except those she likes

[@tobermory88]

Mary is far worse

[@lisahuber9329]

@@hieuscottle2494 Mary doesn't like dishonesty, that's why she reacted poorly at first. She knew she had seen Gwen before, and she could tell that Gwen knew her too but wouldn't say how and that's how you get on Mary's bad side.

[@hieuscottle2494]

@@lisahuber9329 That's just one of many ways to get on Mary's bad side. It's really not hard to get on it. She had her genuine reasons to be angry at the world at times, but her overall place of privilege, wealth, attractiveness, and general disgust of people and need to put people down made her downright petty and nasty...sometimes for no reason, as she acknowledged. That perspective prevented her from seeing how scared and frightened someone like Gwen would have been in that situation since pre-World War II England, as 20th century as it was becoming, was still stuck on an deeply in-grained idea of "place" in society and God-ordaining who will be the "haves" and who will be the "have-nots" and those in service were supposed to be loyal, obedient, and grateful. Gwen wanting to leave service was met with anger by the service staff in series 1 and we know the attitudes of those who employed them would not have been kind as they would have seen Gwen's actions as a sign of disrespect and ingratitude...and may have offended them that they were dining with such a "lowly" person. That is definitely Mary's way of thinking as she's never moved away from being a snob except for when she ended up marrying that used car salesman in the end and that was only because he looked like Matthew Goode as that relationship was badly written and developed and not believable. Another aspect that I think we're forgetting was that Mary suspected she was a servant who became a "self-made" woman who worked her way to financial independence (from the servant system) and then married someone with money (in industry). Mary, being born wealthy and to an Earl was titled. The titled gentry were part of the aristocracy and distrustful of the new industry folks who were socially mobile and infringing upon the old land-rich titled families' territory in terms of power and influence. They were a threat to the Grantham and Crawley way of life and in the end really did upend the whole system. So Mary's initial disdain for Gwen could also have been stemming from Gwen daring to rise above her station to leave service (how dare she thumb her nose at society that benefits our position at the top!) but also marrying a member of industry meant she also became a woman who was not only independent from families than the Grantham and their estate system of exploitation, but being married an industry person meant she was part of the group who was encroaching and overtaking the gentry's place in society by becoming richer than them and being involved in a part of society that was much more relevant to the everyday person AND was progressing society and bringing them to a new frontier. So Mary already had a stank attitude about that and would have kept that stank attitude until Gwen mentioned Sybil.

[@tobynsaunders]

I **love** that Thomas was reprimanded by Robert in Thomas's own territory.

[@l.n.3372]

Yeah but Robert was straight up false to say Carson is "kind." In no world is Carson kind. He's a bigger snob than Robert himself. Carson is so unkind to even fellow members of the staff. What Robert should have said is that Carson is never intentionally malicious, unlike Barrow.

[@tobynsaunders]

​@@l.n.3372 I don't know which scene you're referring to (and I can't find which scene I was referring to in my comment).

[@l.n.3372]

@@tobynsaunders You said you loved the scene in this episode where Robert reprimanded Barrow. I said that I didn't like that scene, simply because Robert says to Barrow that he should learn from Carson as a butler - and Robert falsely says that Carson is kind. But in reality, Carson is probably less kind than even Robert himself. Some examples are: Robert is more accepting of Barrow being gay. Carson is needlessly cruel and insulting about homosexuality, especially compared to say Mrs Hughes and her tolerance. Robert makes the monument for Mrs Patmore, for her nephew the soldier. But Carson is cruel and says he died a coward and doesn't deserve to be remembered. Robert steps up to save Mrs Patmore again, for her house of ill repute. While again, Carson is unnecessarily cruel and says that the family shouldn't help out Mrs Patmore. But Robert agrees to visit the B&B and take pictures to boost the reputation of the house of ill repute instead.

[@tobynsaunders]

@@l.n.3372 Yes, that all rings a bell!

[@Prasong9879]

I got so welled up when watching this scene. It’s so beautiful.

[@mjremy2605]

Backfired on Barrow as usual, ha ha ha!! His face sulking even more!

[@emsantos0283]

I would've loved to see the part where Lord Grantham gets after Borrow for calling Gwen out.

[@samREDICEbunny]

Yes

[@m.layfette6249]

I doubt Carson would have treated her any Better. He's the biggest Snob at Downton.

[@Mokkari77]

@@m.layfette6249 He wouldn't have caused a scene. Or embarrassed a guest.

[@m.layfette6249]

@@Mokkari77 Not in front of the family. Lest we forget how Carson and everyone reacted at the mere ideal of Gwen (or anyone for that matter) leaving service to make a Better/New life for themselves. Carson, I dare say is much more of an Edwardian Traditionalist that the Dowager Countess. (And that's saying something.)

[@tejaswoman]

@@Mokkari77 Hell, he wouldn't have spoken to anyone at the table without being addressed himself.

[@DaniDani-hi7es]

Thomas and Mary always take the chance to be rude, but once Sybil is mentioned they change.

[@treco2583]

This is one of my favorite scenes from any movie or tv show. It was so touching and brought Sybil’s story full circle. ❤❤

[@roberthurley6860]

One of my favorite scenes from the whole series. It kind of said it all, didn't it?

[@Joseph1NJ]

I love how Cora is loving, caring, and compassionate of the servants. But even as an American, her sense of superiority and condescension never wanes.

[@The_Gallowglass]

;D When in Britain, eh?

[@laurafiller1849]

This was the Gilded Age.

[@tejaswoman]

Okay, I'm seriously crying now. Such sweet stories is civil, and imagine being a family who'd gone through such loss of such a sweet Soul so young, and then you get an unexpected chance to hear stories and your beloved from someone who knew her through a completely different lens than you did. Plus the awesome ending where Mary thanks Thomas for reminding them, which is just hilarious considering that wasn't at all how he thought that was going to go.

[@paratka2]

Would love to see you post the Daisy/Mr. Mason "Will you be my daughter?" scene. Best in the series, imho.

[@exaudi33]

I love that, too! Very touching.

[@tageteodor8312]

What a beautiful show that Downton Abbey is! I can't seem to get enough of this storyline about Gwen coming back to visit (plus the whole of episode 4 in the last series really). I finished all 52 episodes more than 5 years ago, but I've never wanted to quit my habits (probably bad habits) of rewatching these beautifully written episodes full of so many colours and, of course, feel-good feelings xD Plus, the way John Lunn incorporates those piano notes that we heard when Sybil was around ("Elopement") - just wow!

[@Lisa-ym1si]

I don’t know how that could be considered a bad habit - I rewatch them every January so just getting ready to start today. It’s probably my favorite show of all time.

[@aeterna581]

@@Lisa-ym1si why January? )

[@Lisa-ym1si]

The deep midwinter is the best part of the year for snuggling in and watching Downton. We are buried in snow here at that point. We had 7.5 feet of show last year...@@aeterna581

[@gaiamorgosi7181]

I think that this speaks volumes about the goal of the series, the principal character is always the Abbey and its value throughout THE MOST important and rapid social changes in history, in a matter of years the world shifted from the 1890s to the 1920s with a totally different way of seeing society and people. It depicts the changes the upper classes and the lower classes went through, from a total immobility to a chauffeur marrying a Lady, a maid seated at the table with the Lord, divorce, a woman inheriting and keeping the estate, to a butler becoming and Hollywood working star later in the story. So. Fascinating. The relationship change so much that the line that divides the upper floor and the downstairs one becomes so blurry that the division becomes just a pure matter of employment.

[@mcsinger7719]

I love it how BARROW ate it in this clip.. What some mean for bad.. God means for GOOD.. but I have to admit that I love his arc in the show. I was heartbroken when He tried to end his life.., and I love the mercy and the change of heart that he had.. and he finally got an AMAZING JOB and the kindness to DO IT WELL!

[@t.s..]

One of the best scene in the whole series

[@rosequartz4102]

UGH!! I love this scene so much but I was stupid to watch it while trying to apply liquid eyeliner😂 It's so touching and makes me tear up every time.

[@Xerxes2005]

The problem with that scene is that Robert already knew that he couldn't get in the library because Gwen was being interviewed for a job. Sybil told him herself.

[@adeleshaak4107]

He knew Gwen was one of the housemaids but that doesn't mean he'd have recognized her even then, and even less likely to recognize her when she comes to lunch with a different name and position many years later.

[@MandieTerrier]

He didn't know which housemaid

[@Xerxes2005]

@@MandieTerrier Sybil said "Gwen's in there with Mr Bromidge. She's being interviewed." when RObert tried to enter the library.

[@Xerxes2005]

@@adeleshaak4107 My problem is not that he didn't recognized her on the spot, but that Robert seemed to say that Sybil would not let him get into the library but he never knew why until now. But it seems I did not understand correctly.

[@Kelaiah01]

@@Xerxes2005 But he also said, "So that was you!" Robert DID know why, he just forgot which maid it was. After all, there was at least a 10 year gap between these events, people forget details all the time.

[@LidiaDaMataTravassos]

Lady Sybil was my favorite character, it was a shame she died so early into the story.

[@Wickett01]

“You know nothing, Tom Barrow.” 🗡 ❄️

[@rayleigh8]

“But not good enough to stay” Wasn’t cleaning chamber pots satisfactorily to you?.

[@allisoneuph1]

How exciting. She's one of my favorite characters

[@stemplar43]

OMG thanks this is the great series of all time

[@petermatthews3729]

Gwen was right not to say anything about working at Downton Abbey before now. Lady Sybil took a lot of risks to help her advance her position in life. If Sybil hadn't mentioned Gwen to her family then Gwen is right to respect Sybil's privacy. Not to mention staying silent for the privacy of everyone who lives at Downton Abbey.

[@praague]

Had not seen it this way. Thanks.

[@rjules1083]

She didn’t mentioned where she came from bc she didn’t want to be seen as lowly. That’s why she didn’t even tell her husband she worked there.

[@tejaswoman]

@@rjules1083 others have pointed out in the comments that scenes not shown here indicate she HAD, in fact, giving her husband that background on herself. She simply had not indicated _which_ house she worked in.

[@sweetdaydreamer8868]

Thomas's smile 😭😭😭

[@SaltyMinorcan]

i see its still the show we love

[@EM-cl7cl]

Once again, Sybil brings people together

[@nataliedelagrandiere4022]

I love this show.

[@lovemeascotsman2241]

Lovely to see Rose again.

[@Knappa22]

Love how it gets sentimental then bam! Mary slays Barrow for his attempted exposure of Gwen :)

[@tejaswoman]

Also indirectly recognizing how rude it had been of her

[@12classics39]

Gwen should’ve been on the show in every season. She’s so lovable!

[@albustran4855]

Almost everyone complain about Gwen didn't say anything about her time at Downton Abbey. I bet you do differrently if you were her. Because I don't. I will be embrassing if I now dining with people who I used to serve. It's 1926 not 2016. If they forgot, then let them. Why remind them of?

[@animec-dramaskpop6362]

The people saying that are fools.

[@ringwe]

Thomas is so nasty, and yet I enjoy him very much! Kudos to the actor.

[@barchetta575m]

Thomas is a very unique character, played by a very talented actor. I loved watching Thomas' character arc develop throughout the years!

[@maryschroeder1533]

Now I'm thinking, why didn't Tom say anything? He was the chauffeur when Gwen was there. He celebrated with Gwen and Sybil when Gwen got the job. He acted like he didn't know! Did Julian Fellowes forget?

[@Hannah-jj2nr]

Maybe he didn't want to say anything if she wasn't going to

[@maryschroeder1533]

@@Hannah-jj2nr It's possible.

[@petermatthews3729]

I'd call it respecting her privacy the same way Gwen didn't say anything out of respect for Sybil's privacy years after she had passed away. Like Gwen said in the video they had a pact, the bigger question is why Sybil never said anything. Gwen and Tom spoke privately to acknowledge their shared history in the full scene.

[@lilsriegerson6364]

There is a scene before they start eating where Tom greats Gwen and it is clear that he remembers her.

[@maryschroeder1533]

@@lilsriegerson6364 Oh, I know he remembers her. I was specifically talking about when Gwen was sharing the story about Sybil getting her a job. Tom acted like he didn't know, even though he was there with them celebrating when she did. She also had to know that Tom knew who she was. I'm just not sure why she thought it was a good idea to lie to Lady Mary when two people in that room definitely knew who she was. Did she think no one was going to say anything?

[@Jenzzyuk]

Sybil was such a beautiful Young Woman 🥺😢❤️

[@ToutCQJM]

Thomas and Mary are so annoying and likable at the same time.

[@Neddoest]

Aw yay how lovely

[@lovelyhoney3334]

I kinda hate rosamunds comment “but not good enough to stay” of no of course not. Would YOU want to be a servant all your life. Cleaning and cooking from dawn til dusk for other people no less who barely even appreciate your work or remember your name. Uh no you wouldn’t rossamund so who are you to judge?

[@kerryirving2949]

❤️. I REALLY liked Sybil

[@theuncoveredlamp]

I would have loved to see a conversation between her and Miss Bunting

[@CSGray-nf2hx]

My favourite scene honestly. Especially Mary realizing she was being a snobby b**ch

[@01Mary02]

It was a nice scene but clearly Gwen had no intention of telling the family she used to work there as a housemaid. And how did her husband not hear her talking to Anna when they were taking off their coats? Wouldn't he have wondered why Gwen was talking to a servant she had never met before?

[@TheKat12364]

It could very well be Anna asking to take the coats and if they need anything. He wasnt close enough to hear the words most likely.

[@01Mary02]

@@TheKat12364 Ya but visitors never spoke to staff. They were treated like they didn't exist. And he was standing right there next to Gwen so there's no way he would NOT have heard her talking to Anna. Especially as Gwen says to her "...I'll see you later if I can.." right in front of her husband.

[@tejaswoman]

@@01Mary02 okay, but on the other hand it appears he knew his wife had been in service somewhere and didn't know it was here. So it might be that he's used to his wife being a little more inclined to speak to servants when no one else is around. He might also, and I know this is stretching it, have thought that she knew her the way a housemaid might know the servants at other houses from their acquaintance in their rare off hours.

[@ctheflower7818]

Downton Abbey Gumption 🤗👍🤗

[@Bogie0315]

As usual Tomas and Mary being jerks so very glad it back fired on both of them.

[@Il0vescarecrow]

Lol i love thomas

[@AF-yl8xy]

Does anyone find it weird that the sister said, "we have to find ladders to help them achieve their potential", and then says to Gwen, "but not good enough to stay". Both are contradicting statements and the latter is uncomfortable because it paint Gwen in a negative tone. Gwen is then pressured to explain herself to not look bad because the sister indirectly put words in her mouth. Makes me feel like the sister will say the "right" thing but doesn't actually mean it.

[@donaldbadowski290]

No, Rosamund is giving Gwen the opportunity to explain herself with that question.

[@laurafiller1849]

The difference between empathy & pitty.

[@samREDICEbunny]

❤️

[@freewheeler8924]

Rose Leslie is always brilliant.

[@alexmcghie4022]

Social upward mobility can happen 😊

[@helenaholmberg1987]

Ygritte!

[@aurora94931]

Sybil❤

[@maryschroeder1533]

This is a bit misleading. They edited out the part where Gwen basically lies to Lady Mary and the family about how she used to work there. I was with Thomas on this one. Did he have his own personal motives for calling her out? Yes, but I think it was the right thing to do. She acted like she was embarrassed of once being a servant. You could see how that would upset someone like Thomas. They edited so that it seems like he called her out right away. There was a lot of conversation and denial from Gwen before Thomas's interruption which made it all the more shocking. Would it kill you to upload the whole scene so that everyone can see it in full context? Robert calling Carson 'kind' after this just proved how detached he is from his servants lives. If you remember, Carson was bullying Thomas relentlessly during this time.

[@becciKeks]

Maybe she was a bit embarrassed but I think it was more of an awkward situation. And it might have been a bit intimidating to interact with the Crawleys as a former servant than as a random guest. I just think there was a lot of awkwardness she wanted to avoid

[@maryschroeder1533]

@@becciKeks That still doesn't make it right to flat out lie to someone when you know that two people in that room know who you are. I just have a problem with Thomas being made the villain in this scene when it was clearly Gwen who was in the wrong. Furthermore, I don't like them editing out a good chunk of this scene wherein Gwen lies to Lady Mary. It makes Thomas look even worse.

[@l.n.3372]

Yeah I'm with you. Robert saying to Barrow that Carson is kind is a big fat lie. Even Mary and Robert are kinder than friggin Carson. And Carson was bullying Barrow in this season for sure. What Robert should have said is that Carson isn't intentionally malicious.

[@lizaluk]

House work by working and theory are administering extent of the Ministry of home economics while the Department of home economics in University should train and educate.

[@MobiusCoin]

Where are the Jon Snow jokes?!

[@lindamosley922]

Barrow...open mouth, insert foot!

[@warrenvanichprapa7630]

Mary should be made poor to learn how to be a better human being…

[@Artnotforthesakeofart]

Hahahah

[@veritysprott1547]

Blenheim Castle?

[@hpavalferr7201]

😳 💚

[@garcia207]

She forgot to mention about her career as a Spearwife.

[@judynichols2904]

The more I saw of Thomas the less I like him .But the new movie make him a more likeable character unlike the series !

[@drewhendley]

No good deed goes unpunished and it cost Sybil her life 😇

[@animec-dramaskpop6362]

No, Sybil died because her father is a snob.

[@reginabillotti]

Sorry, but how does this have anything to do with Sybil's death from labor complications?

[@drewhendley]

@@reginabillotti God only helps those who help themselves, Sybil stepped in God’s way and she paid the price

[@claudinemartin2389]

On demande en français et peau de burnes c'est est en english

[@veritysprott1547]

Was Sybil the agent of Marilyn Monroe?

[@lucky19teas]

Tom helped Sybil with Gwen so why he didn’t remember all that really takes me out of the scene. Continuity lacks this episode

[@coffeebean8790]

There was a scene in this episode where he talked to her before going into the dining room. He definitely remembered her. They just didn’t include that scene in this clip.

[@hieuscottle2494]

Tom remembered it. His smile was more about remembering the good times. He probably didn't know about the horse buggy and stuff and every interview and what they did to get there though. He wasn't involved with every scheme of theirs.

[@carlairving]

@@hieuscottle2494 Also, I think he was savoring any memories Gwen was to share about his lovely Sybil.

[@NorryaParsa]

It was Gwen's story to tell, not Tom's! Gwen eventually told the family on her own terms because it was her first-hand experience. No one should talk about you without your permission! It's called right to privacy!!

[@Jason8823]

Thomas was the absolute worst!

[@eBrunoro]

That's why we love him so much!

[@taroman7100]

@@eBrunoro Thomas was awesome in this scene. Would snide Gwen have ever brought Sybil up? I'm with Mary on this one.

[@judith_thordarson]

Thomas is a beotch!

[@maddiowens3549]

@@taroman7100 bringing her up would’ve meant she had to reveal her past at the house, which meant revealing that not only were these noble blue-bloods dining with a commoner, but that her wealthy husband had married well outside of and beneath his class, one of the most shameful things a wealthy member of society could do in those days. She wasn’t keeping it a secret to be nasty, only to keep up the image that she was one of them. She didn’t know they would react kindly to the fact that she was of lower class background instead of a well-bred socialite like bratty Mary and Edith

[@animec-dramaskpop6362]

I hated Thomas.

[@cristiewentz8586]

Barrow: petty and mean spirited to the end. The only time he chose to be a decent human being was when he was caught out by accident. Sheesh.

[@Illisil]

These conversations become awkward in a hurry!!

[@eroche913]

You know nothing, Mr Barrow.

[@bogdancristea9270]

Everyone blames Thomas for exposing Gwen here. I disagree. I would have done the same: can’t stand when people act as if they forgot their past or as if they’re too good to speak to former colleagues. There’s no way she would have mentioned it if Thomas hadn’t forced her to, she was enjoying her lunch with the aristocracy too much to risk ruining it by telling her former employers about her identity. Thomas is a cynical and cruel person, I know (that’s why I love him), but he spots people’s hypocrisy and rubs it in their faces. She deserved the humiliation when Lady Mary, clearly on Thomas’s side, said « You had every opportunity to tell us ».

[@tejaswoman]

I hear you, but bear in mind also that the show taught us all that servants in his position aren't even supposed to be talking to their social superiors (from the POV of that world) unless invited to speak.

[@veritysprott1547]

Marilyn Monroe?

[@veritysprott1547]

Was Marilyn Monroe a waitress?

[@ShogunEorling]

Am I th eonly one that thinks they should have made this much better? It wa sjust "meh"...

[@taroman7100]

This actress was most annoying and what's with the delay in introducing herself?

[@maddiowens3549]

These people were high upper class, ranking nobility. I can’t imagine how nerve-wracking it must’ve been for her to be sitting at that table, knowing they didn’t know who she was because they don’t bother to remember the names and faces of the people they force to do everything for them, and it’s likely she didn’t know how they’d react to dining with a former housemaid, someone so low and common that she used to only be good for serving them

[@hieuscottle2494]

And don't forget, this is pre-World War II England. This were progressing, but the class structure, the idea of royalty, aristocracy, landed gentry, and servants all having their place and having it God-ordained was ingrained in these people. So for someone like Gwen who was a servant and breaking bread with her "betters", it was quite unprecedented during those times and there's a reason why had no idea how to act, and she was most likely frightened. The only thing I can think to compare it to would by the Indian caste system (which the British exploited to their benefit) or even the southern slavery system in the U.S. That's why both the titled land owners and the servants themselves (who had to buy into the system to keep it going and bought into the top-down given respectability and dignity of being a servant) were distrustful and hateful of the socially mobile, the wage workers in various industries, and the small business owners who seemed to throw a wrench into the whole thing, especially the latter group who helped upend this system as they became the bourgeoisie or the nouveau riche and had more actual money than these land-rich titled gentlemen, and used that money to start having more influence and power.

[@medusagorgon9]

Got teary when they began discussing Sybil.🥹 She was such a lovely character. I think Thomas's underhanded doings went just over Mary's head. Which is ironic since Mary had a way about her at times, that was very similar.

[@l.n.3372]

I don't think it went over Mary's head tbh. I interpreted her words at the end to be a sort of "take that!" Cuz even Mary the snob realized it backfired on her and Barrow: both she and Thomas were rude to Gwen, but once Gwen mentioned Sybil, even Mary was appreciative of Gwen's story.