The Return Of The BONGCLOUD (My First Ever Challenge)

[@kyle52245]

I would enjoy you including funny little replay clips from your opponent's POV after the match.

[@dankcrypt3227]

Vote

[@felixlahmer3058]

Vote^^

[@rahagarfnarnskagll8389]

do this!!!

[@inthefade]

Vote. If this is possible , I would love to just see the opponent view directly after watching these vids. Seeing how confusing and insane it is from their POV would just be so hilarious.

[@IvanFazekas]

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[@petrowi]

April Fool's day idea - intro a cast about SC2 patch just released, and play a game of SC1 with one of your SC2 challenge strats that can be replicated reasonably well :) And the CC fits on the 3rd

[@Mc17Officiel]

Yes that wouod be great thermal plz do

[@MrPowdacat]

Yes please highlight some of those quirky old games that you've enjoyed! Interesting to see where the genre started

[@OneCoolKidIndeed]

"Guys I've been playing this game and made a really silly build" I'M HOOKED

[@ChezzyKnytt]

Probably the most niche old RTS I played was called NetStorm: Islands At War. It was pretty awesome

[@desperado3236]

Im surprised anyone played that one. It was really unique with the whole need to build bridges to attack. I also liked multi but was a pain to find ppl to play with.

[@ryanpcollins]

Hey! Older gamer here, I never played Warwind but I’d pretty much watch any of your RTS content because it’s all been enjoyable. The oldest RTS games I remember playing were Warcraft: Orcs and Humans and Dune 2.

[@retovideogames]

C&C here, mostly Generals. Later Dawn of War. Today I mostly play TBS because I've come to enjoy a more relaxing way of gaming (and my APM is embarrassing 😟). What I have most respect for in your videos is that it takes you 42 milliseconds to look at an opposing army, get their exact amount and composition, weight it against your assets and adjust your microing to have an advantageous trade. Stunning and entertaining! Cheers!

[@randommcranderson5155]

I love it when uthermal takes a secret base...in his main

[@TheHeiler]

Nice, the Bongcloud returns! I was watching some old replays and finally remembered where i saw this strategy before. In 2014 there was a Heart of the Swarm map called "Habitation Station" - and there some terrans flew their starting CC to the gold that was right next to the main (way less workers back then, so the economy was not hit that hard in terms of absolute minerals lost). The original Bongcloud ;)

[@demonkoryu]

Scarlett vs Bomber Red Bull Battlegrounds, never forget! :D

[@randommcranderson5155]

the mass banshee game feels like me playing starcraft as a little kid. "what if I just got a million wraiths" didn't work that well.

[@pDrake01]

My guess for game 1 is that your opponent tried to be greedy because he thought you already 3 bases up when you killed his scouting overlord at 4:10. That's why when you moved in with your Cyclones, there no units to be found. 😂😂😂

[@bluerendar2194]

Oversaturated second and nearly completed third base should mean terran has like no units and low tech, yep But actually it was just oversaturated main and nearly completed second LOL

[@kyle52245]

Speaking of old RTS games.... I got started with the old Command and Conquer games on PlayStation as well as "DUNE: The Battle For Arrakis" on SEGA. Probably rented DUNE from the video store like 20 times, probably could have bought it 3 times over.

[@jmpa171]

I played warwind! That's a blast from the past. I'd watch a warwind throwback video for sure.

[@ursknorke561]

Starting with the perfect name for that strat, i feel this is the ultimate uthermal build , it reflects your humor and the pure psyop nature of that build is fascinating to see in effect. 10/10

[@bitblockwars]

Thanks, for the awsome content. You really are an inspiration!🤩

[@lefm_]

There is exactly ONE place where you can fit a command center in the third in this map, figured it out yesterday.

[@squidikka]

I've never heard of Warwind, but I've played all of the Command & Conquer games. While not tehcnically the first, C&C is largely considered responsible for the rise of RTS as a game genre. You were talking about the charm of old rts games, C&C Red Alert 2 still is incredible and there are are a number of people including a couple youtubers that play it competitively.

[@SindarinElealar]

In the same vein, Dune 2 is THE classic RTS (same vein as in Westwood-games as well).

[@Bump33]

RIP Westwood, I miss you.

[@RossRadikSherman]

@@SindarinElealar Dune 2 was single player. My first time playing multiplayer was Warcraft 1 over a modem with friends.

[@deropl2667]

my first singleplayer Dune 2 (amiga gaming) my first multiplayer was Starcraft 1 most of RTS I played was from Westwood Studios: Dune 2000 Red Alert 2, C&C Generals, Tiberian Sun (from most loved to less) also some Warcraft 3 Warhammer40k dawn of war (but only 1st)

[@chaosprinz1983]

@@deropl2667 Dark Reign, Total Annihilation, KKND, Earth 2140 ... just to mention a few nice others.

[@infantiltinferno]

I would love to see someone who's been a SC pro play old RTS. If you ever touch C&C it would be a dream come true, just imagine the Recon Bike micro.

[@chloesmith4065]

artosis just played dune 2000 on stream the other day lol

[@IcariumGaming]

The command center does fit on the low ground. There isnt a lot of space but it does fit

[@pinkfloyddwc]

^

[@michaelbacigalupo1134]

I do remember War Wind! And I'll have you know I'm not 50! (I'm 42) I'd love to see you play War Wind. The nostalgia would be real.

[@bradpitel1517]

"It doesn't really work very well, but it has its own charm"..... That's SC2 without content creators... We love you. And the other content devs. We follow maybe 2 of them too!

[@desperado3236]

From what i remember, i played: C&C Series, Sc and Wc series, total annihilation, dawn of war series and lesser known ones like kknd and netstorm. All games ive sunk hundreds of hours into and have fond memories of.

[@justnerdlife]

Total Annihilation was the first RTS for me. So many good memories of that one.

[@CamiloCBG]

Amazing game. I still play it from time to time.

[@swampybwoy]

Speaking of old RTS games, did you ever play total annihilation or herzog zwei?

[@JustDux]

25:01 why don't you land vikings on top of his tanks?

[@bludragon47]

Thermal, I started watching your videos a week ago and really started to get interesting in SC2. I picked the game up 2 days ago and watched your Terran 3 rax 2 base beginner build. I practiced it on AI until I got to very hard then started playing online. I couldn’t believe I got placed in Gold 1 and am winning games in gold after 2 days. Already learning the adaptations and I’m addicted to the game. Can’t wait to go through the whole Terran school series! Love the content and challenges. Keep it up man.

[@justinpeter5752]

Thanks!

[@vikosus]

Thanks, Marc! My favorite Bongcloud is when you tried for the gold base right at the beginning. :D

[@viktordoe1636]

I'm pretty old and I remember playing lots of rts in the 90's: warcraft, dune, kknd, c&c, red alert, age of empires etc, but this is the first time I'm hearing about War Wind.

[@gatorbait9385]

I only know of WarWind because my dad played Warcraft and when he asked the gameshop guy what would be similar he showed him Starcraft. My dad didn't like how futuristic it looked, so the guy showed him War Wind after that. My dad ended up buying both that day. I never tried WarWind, but I fell in love with Starcraft.

[@Uritzeal]

Never heard of Warwind before but looks interesting, alot like old school warcraft. Would be cool watching you re-experience it.

[@a4bcaboose]

Swarm assault. That is my nostalgic rts game. Mark you should look into it

[@rawksolid5029]

Warwind, that takes me back. The hardest part of that game for me was getting it to properly load on the ancient PC I installed it on

[@GMunozS]

Thanks, Marc, for giving me the chills with your videos!

[@DragooKnight]

Bongcloud was one of my first introductions to your challenges, fun to see it again.

[@thomasbickerdike5753]

I'd love to see you play other RTS games. It could actually be a series of you trying out new RTS games for the first time to see how you approach them :)

[@synthetic240]

The first RTS I played was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. I was a nerd that read Dragonlance novels lol. I still cannot believe how good you are at improvisational play.

[@holmyj]

I think at mid 2:45 the command center can move down 2 and fit.

[@CamiloCBG]

You're right. There's a 5x5 space there.

[@BusterBeachside]

I haven't heard of Warwind, but I would LOVE to see you play it! Your story also reminded me of an RTS I played as a kid, Star Trek Armada. At the time I didn't really understand what I was meant to do in the game, but I'd love to see it played properly after all this time haha.

[@overthinker8706]

Warwind - never heard about this game, and probably not the youngest gamer. Glad to see that bongcloud returns, because it means Sky Terran might return at some point. One more thing - have you ever considered doing a crazy strategy on maps with golden minerals: proxy one base all in into bongcloud near golden minerals. The idea is you proxy near golden minerals, you all in along with scv's, and meanwhile you fly your CC into golden minerals. In your all in you micro back almost dead scvs, and if your all in fails you still try to fight on a golden base you have. I just though it sounds crazy enough for you to try it.

[@Pelzi.]

I would really like a complete playthrough of "Lands of Lore", not an RTS but a RPG, would still be super fun to watch.

[@XfStef]

War Wind was amazing! I remember struggling to win in it. Thanks for reminding me of it!

[@flowersforferdinand375]

Lol I thought this referred to Chess for a sec (Chess has a meme opening called the "Bongcloud" opening.) Wonder if there's a Starcraft-Chess demographic in the audience here lol. EDIT: After seeing the challenge - it is ironically similar to the Chess Bongcloud! In Chess you use your second move to move the king to a dangerous square while also impeding your own pieces (Basically slowing down your progress and inviting unnecessary risk) EDIT: EDIT: So it is a Chess reference haha, thanks uThermal for clearing that up, cool to hear you're into Chess too.

[@evantan6]

1. e4 e5 2. Ke2 😎

[@uThermal]

Me and one of my closest friends are chess enjoyers, originally we gave the name 'Bongcloud' to another meme build but then we realised how perfect THIS build was for the name Bongcloud. Then I started my first X to GM Series :P

[@flowersforferdinand375]

@@uThermal Ah, awesome lol. It really is a 100% spot on name! Even the actual motion of the base lifting up is perfect lol. Love it, thanks for letting me know.

[@dryii]

Dune II is the first RTS I remember playing. Very fond memories playing that one.

[@mazhiwezakizo3513]

I think the Cyclone needs at least +1 Range to it's Lock-on Range, but keep the Range the same for getting locked-on, so you still have to risk alot to get the lock-on, but now the cyclone can kite more effectively. I think a late-game upgrade (Requiring Fusion Core), maybe kind of expensive or long-time research, but gives a +5 or +10 Damage to "Armored" targets would allow them to be useful later on.

[@bookworm8415]

Theyd never be useless... and therefore it would just be mass cyclone and max upgrades as fast as possible. I think its almost op right now, it being a viable unit through the midgame.

[@chloesmith4065]

Was just thinking the armored damage thing literally seconds before seeing your comment... Using them to little effect and seeing them vs the ultras, yeah...

[@OnlyForwardFast]

love the throwback, this series is what got my sub!

[@michelmoll9518]

You can build the CC on the low ground in the backbase, it does fit!

[@chloesmith4065]

Yes, very true! I scrolled waaay too far down to find this. Thought I might have to comment it myself.

[@davecolwell725]

This was an absolutely beautiful episode. I feel so bad for the guy in the second game. Dang that was a crushing defeat.

[@Anhoranka]

I'd love to see some WarWind! Nostalgia, baby!

[@sord444]

Total Annihilation was my go to back in the day

[@OldGregg253]

Love that game so good for its time, love rts that has naval units, miss WC2 as well wish they'd remake both in the same style/engine as SC2😢

[@chloesmith4065]

​@@OldGregg253check out Beyond All Reason - it's basically a TA remake in the Spring engine (it evolved from TAspring, actually) - you might also be interested in Zero-K, Supreme Commander, or the total annihilation mod Escalation

[@sloanNYC]

Another fun one. That Radhuset map lets you protect 3 bases from one ramp... pretty killer. And then you can easily extend to the 4th

[@chloesmith4065]

The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both

[@chloesmith4065]

The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both

[@eclipseeffigy]

Love to see the OG challenge return!! The mindgames and how shockingly far this went were two greatly memorable things about this challenge. 😂 That hidden base was DISGUSTING 🤩👏

[@hanno4095]

Warwind was amazing, go for it!

[@117mercury]

(Gauntlet narrator voice) Banshee shot the food!

[@dustinseth1]

Never heard of warwind, but when I was a kid my friend and I rented Dune 2: battle for arrakis for sega Genesis. I’ve heard that that may have been the first RTS.

[@HotLogic1990]

Oldest RTS I played was Age of empire 1. I had a lotta fun. next was generals the tiberium wars. and dawn of war 2 the SC2 then SC1. haven't played nothing since

[@MrSmartassK5]

Dune 2 was the first RTS I played. Pretty sweet, you should check it out!

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

An interesting challenge is you have to completely mine out one of your opponents bases or die trying.. with mules you could do it in about 3 minutes.

[@PooNagoo]

Series rec: I think it would be so awesome to see thermy try playing with the Scion custom races! They’re legit so well done and all have some really interesting mechanics and units. Freakin love the Terran like one has essentially bombers and you can do actual bombing runs! Haha

[@jornlamb7271]

I also played war wind as a kid, it was super cool back then! Would love a video about it 😊

[@zer0nix]

Never even heard of warwind but it would be fun to see what gave uthermal his start with rtsses!

[@Trollfeiz]

The CC fits between the two mineral patches and the ramp

[@Ty-bz7zx]

Older gamers ?? No way!! My first gaming exp. was on Text based MUDs like Gemstone III. =))

[@Starcruiser81]

My day was made when I saw a new Bongcloud episode! It's the silliest challenge and the name is pure cheese, epic matches!

[@benihanah]

A shot of nostalgia and you still clutch it! GGWP XD

[@PooNagoo]

I think I astutely just noticed him make a mistake in the 2nd game! Could he not have landed those Vikings way earlier on those tanks and gotten them for free?? I feel like they were just chilling not landed right above them for awhile lol and then when he did finally land them it was as the enemy reinforcements came and he didn’t get all the tanks

[@BrendanWinegar]

I have not heard of war wind, but I love RTSs.

[@alexzim79]

War wind was dope. Imo Other cool rts from 90s-early 2000, (besides c&c of course): KKND, submarine titans, dune 2000. Also, there was this Korean starcraft ripoff. Atrox it was called I think.

[@chloesmith4065]

All of those are great. Worth mentioning warlords battery, total annihilation, dark reign, original war, battle realms, stronghold, age of empires, galactic battlegrounds, the list goes on . . . Submarine Titans!

[@shimitsu11]

Oh man, I have some fond memories of War Wind. Didn't age terribly well, though.

[@Kaefer1973]

Oldest RTS "Siege" with the "Dogs of War" expansion. Very nice and complex castle sieging RTS. Only narrowly beating Dune 2.

[@cho4d]

With regards playing old RTS - look in to playing "Dune 2" on the amiga (emulated no doubt). it's the first recognisably modern rts but it's soooooo clunky. would love to see a pro play it.

[@gunnararc]

Haven't heard of warwind, but would love to see a video about it! Some good nostalgic C&C, AOE, SC1 or WC from you would be amazing

[@stevenrosscarpenter]

Warcraft 2 is a legit oldskool classic

[@SeekAndDestroyTM]

Speaking of retro games, I cut my teeth on Dune 2. That game was so good.

[@xeruexe1624]

Nope, never heard of it, but I'm a sucker for old PC games, especially RTS. Just gone through a longplay of the original Dune video game, so if you ever feature that game here for fun or so, that would be grokingly swood.

[@moonspear]

Did you never play Command & Conquer? The original was released in 1995

[@SwarmSSBM]

Our tolerance-break was killing us. Thanks for the amazing Bongcloud :)

[@razgriz8856]

uThermal is one of the greatest players in all of Starcraft! Viva la uThermal!

[@delouciusTTV]

I WAS JUST REWATCCHING THIS SERIES LETS GOOOOOO THANKS MARK

[@salsanacho]

I love the totally self internalized triple reverse mindgames of the first game.

[@primarisgreen]

Speaking of old RTS, I think it would be fun to see you play some Dawn of War.

[@chloesmith4065]

DoW1 is still unmatched today, amazing game

[@brine1986]

I got a PC around 1999, and Warcraft2 was my 1st RTS. Well I played Dune2 at friends house before that, but that does not count 😅

[@Ikol101]

I don't know if it will be too easy but how about a 'transformers' challenge? Hellions/Hellbats, Vikings, Siege Tanks and Liberators

[@gardianx5293]

Thermy, stealing your opponent's 4th/5th was so mean. Well played sir.

[@hwile]

"He's definitely going to find this one relatively soon." He in fact did not find that base relatively soon. Or at all.

[@TheDuckHasArrived]

I really enjoyed your BC + widow mines to GM. But this video was Fun as well :)

[@justinpeter5752]

Omg yes the classic bong cloud. Only this time his outplays have gotten absolutely insane ❤❤❤

[@Atti800]

Haha killing those buildings in order to prevent the Viper Energy was hilarious af. Also make a KKND Video pls ❤

[@Jaesnek]

The Bongcloud opener has no weaknesses. LMAO

[@GrahamSmith1523]

Make that War Wind video please! Just got the niche content.

[@zr6671]

i like revisiting the old strats on the new maps

[@terranzoid]

The question response: I have never heard of "war wind". I was playing full throttle, Duke Nukem 3D and age of empires 2.

[@philiprioux7767]

Yes! make the old video games. Command and conquer playthrough!

[@chir0pter]

this was incredible lmao

[@Dadbod007]

Dune 2000 man. Best game.

[@pietrx6893]

ooh man i was thinking about this challenge the other day legit tellign myself i wont ever see it being done again XD

[@Dodizockt]

AINT NO WAYYYYYY THE GOATED CHALLENGE IS BACK

[@zynori_]

A command center will fit by the third on that map. There is only one spot where it will.

[@SChen-ei8gx]

I think you have a new challange - mine out you opponents expansions

[@krahecasii7130]

Challenge Idea: ist IT possible to win without Mining Gas?

[@chloesmith4065]

Yes, I've seen this. You can just proxy rax marines or 12pool or cannon rush lol

[@gepeldebanaan9799]

This is so dumb, i love it 😂 Floating your main CC to your expo from the start, is like forcing the Firedepartment to use tap water to put out your house fire

[@Nico_Dica]

Never heard of it 😅 the 1st RTS I played was warcraft on PlayStation 😆